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E182: Toxic vs Authentic Masculinity Explained w/ Nick Freitas · The Lila Rose Show

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  No, masculinity is a positive thing.
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  And you know who believes that more than anybody?
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  Women. Liberal women believe that.
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  And here's how you know, we need more men that understand that
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  it's not good enough to just be intelligent.
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  It's not good enough to just be wealthy.
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  And ultimately, it's not good enough to just be strong, too.
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  You have to be honorable. You have to be noble.
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  It's protect, it's like it's oriented.
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  It's not. It's the difference between I
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  want to be capable because I want the Bugatti and the women
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  versus I want to be capable because I want to be able to be
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  there for the people I love and the moment they need me the
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  most. Nick Freitas, welcome back to
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  the podcast. Oh, it's great to be back on
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  Lila. Thanks for having me.
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  You're amazing. Green Beret, combat veteran,
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  elected House of the Virginia House of Delegates.
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  Also social media and podcast sensation.
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  I think you're in many ways like the new Jordan Peterson for
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  many, many young men. And I'm grateful it's you
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  because you're doing a phenomenal job of it.
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  So, yeah, thanks for coming on. I think there's a lot to a lot
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  to catch up on and talk about. Well, I, I really appreciate it.
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  I'll, I'll, I'll take all those compliments even though I'm
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  deserving of none. So you were, you are right.
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  Now, I know you're working, you have multiple jobs, but one of
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  your key jobs is you are with the Virginia House of Delegates.
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  You're an elected, elected member, and you just did a crazy
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  vote yesterday. Can you just share what you've
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  been up to in the last couple days?
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  Sure. Well, the, the Democrats control
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  the Virginia General Assembly by one seat in the House and one
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  seat in the Senate. We have a, a pretty, a pretty
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  detailed process for many in the Constitution of Virginia.
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  And one of the things that you have to understand about the way
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  that process works is the governor has nothing to do with
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  it. It's the House, the Senate, and
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  a referendum to the people. And the way it needs to work is
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  in order to pass the constitutional amendment, you
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  have to pass it through the House and the Senate one year,
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  have an intervening election, then pass the exact same
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  language to the House and the Senate the following year.
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  Then it goes to the referendum for the people.
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  And the three, three amendments that they proposed was an
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  automatic restoration of voting rights for convicted felons upon
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  the completion of their sentence, which there's elements
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  of that that I agree with. The problem is that some of the
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  most egregious crimes get treated like, you know, petty
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  larceny. There was the they're they're
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  enshrining same sex marriage. They're attempting to enshrine
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  not just same sex marriage, but a differentiation between sex
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  and gender in the Virginia Constitution.
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  And then HJ one, which is arguably the most pro abortion,
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  it's arguably the most pro abortion policy and almost
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  anywhere in the world. I, I think North Korea beats us
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  out, but it is, it is more extreme than anything that you
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  would see in Europe, more extreme than anything that you
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  would see in again, any other state.
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  It would essentially allow abortion all the way up to the
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  point of birth and the third trimester.
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  All you would need is 1 doctor and that includes the
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  abortionist to say that you need it for mental health reasons.
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  So if you say that pregnancy makes you stressed, then the
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  doctor that's getting paid to perform your abortion can bless
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  off and say yes, you need an abortion at month 9.
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  And so we're going to perform that very robust floor debates.
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  We had some guys do a great job, Delegate Mark Early, Delegate
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  Carrie Coyner, Delegate Tom Garrett and myself all spoke on
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  this Delegate Tim Griffin and it passed 51 to 49.
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  And so that's that is the state of things in the Commonwealth of
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  Virginia. And, and this would have been,
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  this would have been thought, this would have been unthinkable
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  five years ago, but here we are. What is your take on how we got
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  to that place politically? I mean, I have a lot of
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  opinions, as you know. I know you have opinions we're
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  dealing with. We're about to have the
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  inauguration of, you know, President Donald Trump.
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  And he's, you know, obviously on the right, he's elected as a
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  Republican, all of this. But he has backed down on life
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  in a lot of ways, which has been really tough.
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  And I think that sent a message to a lot of other politicians.
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  Someone Like You who I think is doing an incredible job, is
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  persuasively standing for life and fighting for the protection
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  of children. But unfortunately, there's other
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  politicians that are not doing that.
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  And then certainly the Democrat side, there's complete chaos.
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  I mean, everyone's just pro abortion endlessly.
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  But what's your take on how things have changed so quickly,
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  especially in Virginia, in the last five years?
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  There's a lot of things we can point to and I, I don't want to
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  over, I don't want to oversimplify it, right?
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  I I think that we, there's both a political side of this and a
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  cultural side to this. And we could, we could sit here
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  and wax intellectual about postmodernism and
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  deconstructionism and rampant hedonistic secularism and
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  everything. And all those are, are useful
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  conversations. But here's one statistic that I
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  think tells us a lot about how we got to where we are when
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  roughly 85% of sex education curriculum is blessed off and
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  approved by the abortion industry.
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  What you have is a systematic approach in order to change the
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  way that young people think about a particular topic.
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  And Speaking of Jordan Peterson there, there's a book that he
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  talks about called Ordinary Men. And one of the things that they
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  tried to analyze and that is how do you convince otherwise
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  caring, compassionate people to agree to truly horrendous
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  things? And when you start to understand
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  that it's this, it's this process of of dehumanization, of
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  flipping the victim, this versus perpetrator narrative.
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  And then perhaps the most pernicious of all of it is when
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  you can convince somebody that what they're doing is for the
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  good of the victim, you can get someone to not only agree to do
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  something, but celebrate it. And I, and I think that says a
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  lot about where we are culturally, is that there's been
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  a concerted effort, not just within politics, but within
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  education and within Hollywood and popular culture to convince
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  women that pregnancy is something that stands in the way
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  of them being able to achieve the things that they want.
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  And that if there's any chance that a child is going to grow up
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  in an environment that less is less than ideal, then it is
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  actually an act of compassion and responsibility to kill that
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  child. And if you can convince people
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  of that, then again, they won't just support it, they'll
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  celebrate it. And that's where we're at.
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  And it's been a long process, but it's here.
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  Well, and I think it's the direct fruit, and we've talked
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  about this, I know before, and you talk about this a lot, you
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  know, masculinity, femininity, the fruit of modern feminism,
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  the sexual revolution, all of these things.
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  And you end up with right is left, up is down, you know,
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  complete moral chaos and people just not seeing a life is a
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  life. What is sex designed for?
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  What is marriage? All these things.
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  There are two things that. Yeah, go ahead.
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  Can I say one thing on that too? Because I, I said, I said what
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  they've convinced young women of, but I think we also need, we
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  also need to understand what they've convinced young men of.
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  They've, they've convinced young men that every instinct that
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  they would have to protect a woman, protect a child, as in,
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  in many respects, just been beaten out of them.
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  This idea of a, a healthy look at masculinity, everything has
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  been encapsulated this, this false concept of toxic
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  masculinity. And the end result is, is that
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  rather than correcting for certain behaviors, which, which
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  may have, may have needed reform or, or, or a different way of
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  looking at something, they just simply branded masculinity is
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  the problem. And I think a lot of a lot of
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  men have been not only and not only just giving up on, they
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  haven't just given up on the responsibility because that's
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  what they wanted to do. They were deliberately told
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  that's what they should be doing, that this is this is not
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  their issue. And the end result is, is that a
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  lot of men looked at it as, OK, this is not my issue.
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  And when you look at young women in crisis with respect to
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  whether or not they're going to keep their child, the most
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  influential person in that decision making process is
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  generally whether or not the father of the child is going to
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  stand by them and the child. And if he says that he's going
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  to do that, the odds of them keeping the child increase
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  significantly. And that tends to change one's
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  mindset about how they look at this issue.
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  But if they go through with the abortion, then all of a sudden
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  there's the sense of loss, there's the sense of shame, of
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  pain, of abandonment. And now they're looking for
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  someone to support them in the abortion industry.
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  And the abortion movement is more than happy to pretend as if
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  they're they're real family. And I think that men need to
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  understand that they play an incredibly important role in
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  this process and that when they do stand up and actually fulfill
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  that role, it has an incredible impact on the cultural attitudes
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  toward this. We had a guy in studio, a former
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  Fire Chief, a retired fire, excuse me, a retired fire
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  captain, Paul Ibarra. And he used to work for the
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  LAFD, the Los Angeles County Fire Department.
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  And he was sharing about, you know, very politely because he's
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  like a very noble, nice guy. He's not trying to like, hurt
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  people or be mean. He's there.
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  He served as a firefighter for, I think it was 37 years, you
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  know, doing incredible stuff, helping save lives, helping
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  protect homes and cities and everything else.
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  And he was talking about how, like, he's basically talking
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  about DEI and how no longer is the firefighting mantra like,
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  find the best man for the job, you know, find men that have.
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  He talked about virtue. They're strong.
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  I mean, Paul is, you know, 6/1. He said 200.
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  Now he's like a big guy. He was saying now it's about
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  like inclusivity, like everybody should be, you know, able to be
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  a firefighter if they want. And then the the head of the
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  fire, the head of the fire department now in Los Angeles
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  responding to these crazy fires out here is a woman.
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  She's lesbian. And she's on record saying we
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  need to be more inclusive. We need more people who look
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  like me to be here at the fire department.
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  There's also this viral clip going around.
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  I don't know if we can pull it up to play at Harrah's.
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  I'm putting on the spot here, but there's a viral clip going
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  around of a firefighter in Los Angeles, a woman, I don't know
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  if she's like LGBT identified, whatever.
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  And you you probably saw this next.
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  We actually, we actually just did a reel on this.
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  Of course you did. Before yesterday, yeah, Said,
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  you know, I've had somebody ask me, could you pull my husband
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  out of a fire? To which I respond, if your
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  husband got himself in a fire, he got himself in the wrong
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  place and. Like it's his fault.
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  The ultimate victim shaming. Well, and I did a response to
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  that and I said, you know, I got a slightly different take on
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  this. I think this was the only person
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  in the Los Angeles Fire Department actually being honest
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  with what you could expect in a fire.
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  Wow. This is, This is what happens
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  when you prioritize characteristics that have
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  nothing to do with the substance of the job.
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  And, and I've been, I've been working through this in my mind
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  for a while now to try to explain in a way that I would
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  hope people would understand why concepts like DEI are so
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  harmful, not just to the people you think, but to everybody.
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  And, and it was fascinating. I was, I was, I was watching
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  something about Jackie Robinson and I've, I've always been a
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  Dodgers fan. And so I was a big Jackie
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  Robinson fan. It was like, you know, the the
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  number of ball clubs that refused to make their team
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  better because they elevated characteristics that had nothing
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  to do with the substance of the job versus those characteristics
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  would had everything to do with the substance of the job is
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  incredible. And it didn't just hurt Jackie
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  Robinson, you know, and delay him being able to play in the
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  major leagues. It actually hurt every ball
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  club. It hurt everybody that was
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  watching baseball because they were all being denied the best
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  game possible. And it's, and it's tragic when
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  people are denied opportunities and denied the best game
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  possible because of arbitrary and superficial reasons.
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  But it is absolutely horrifying when you do the same thing in
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  professions and situations where lives are on the line instead of
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  runs. And, and that's where we're at
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  right now. And it and it doesn't make
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  anybody better. It doesn't make anybody better.
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  You do not do anybody a favor by putting them in a job for which
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  they have no capacity to perform the necessary tasks.
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  In fact, what you do is you deny someone with the necessary skill
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  sets the opportunity. You deny the person that would
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  rely on competent performance, the ability to be served
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  correctly, and then you deny the person that you've supposedly
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  given an opportunity to of finding a place that their
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  talents and skill sets are more suited toward.
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  And so everybody loses. Everybody loses, except for the
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  politicians and the activists whose political power, and
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  captain said, you know, Notre Dame football team, they're not
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  doing DEI for the football team. You know, let's get women in
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  there. Let's get people who are 5 feet
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  in there. Let's get like everybody's
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  welcome. Like, you know, they want the
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  best players. And so, but what's more
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  important to you is saying winning the Notre Dame, like
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  winning the Notre Dame team winning or your wife and your
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  child and your home and your pets and your property being
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  saved from a crazy life threatening event.
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  Like who do you want saving you, you know, in the middle of a
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  catastrophe, right? So, you know, you, you've been
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  such a wonderful voice on this. And I think you know, but but
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  you know, your husband, your father, you're a businessman,
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  you're obviously a communicator. You're a you're a politician,
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  you're a green Beret combat veteran.
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  Like this is this is this makeup that you I think, you know, I
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  think some people say, well, people like, you know, right now
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  Andrew Tate has announced that he's going to be running for
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  office, I guess in in Britain, you know, he's an online yeah,
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  you know, past, past involved in pornography, all this
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  entertainer. And there's this voice on the
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  right or people on the right who are saying the reason that men
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  are attracted to what you could call, yeah, there's toxic
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  masculinity. Let's say that that's it is
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  because there's a lack of masculine role models on the
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  right. And so I want to ask you about
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  that. And then I want to ask you about
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  some Mark Zuckerberg statements that were made recently, as well
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  as the Andrew Tate stuff. But let's start there because I
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  see you as a as a role model on the right and a great one that
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  like checks all the boxes. And so I don't know that there's
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  a lack of role models on the right.
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  I think maybe there's just a lack of awareness perhaps that
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  people may have. But I also think someone like
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  and Andrew Tate who has done all of this, you know, horrible
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  background, even just recently talking about women as sex
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  workers. I mean, he's not like a reformed
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  guy. He's going out and saying and
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  doing really dark things, right? He is very loud and abrasive and
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  knows how to obviously get go, you know, make posts on the
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  Internet go viral. And he has built a whole kind of
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  media empire for himself to do that to get clicks and
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  attention. And so if that's what people
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  think is out there, right, then that's what they might say,
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  well, there's not an alternative.
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  So what's your take on that? Because I know you're in the
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  media space and you're putting in the work every day and you're
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  reaching millions of people as well.
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  How do you how do you see this complaint on the from some that
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  there's not enough role models? So let me let me try a different
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  take it Andrew Tate, because I, this is another thing I thought
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  a lot about recently. And, and I will say this.
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  The left is absolutely adamant that anybody that's in the
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  masculine space online has to be fighting with Andrew Tate.
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  And I think the reason for that is because they realize they
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  can't take him down. Because whenever you have an
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  ideology like woke progressivism, which has become
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  increasingly built upon the idea of alienating young men, what
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  that means is you deprive yourself of the very thing you
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  need to fight. Woke doesn't win.
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  I've said this before. No matter who wins, it isn't
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  woke because you cannot win when you have completely alienated
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  young men. So they need men on the right to
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  fight Andrew Tate. And I understand this and I
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  understand the strategy behind it because Andrew Tate stands
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  for a lot of find a lot of things that I find morally
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  reprehensible. The the stuff that has happened
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  with respect to the pornography, the, you know, quasi
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  prostitution really is just that it's, it's horrific.
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  On the other side of this, there's no question that Andrew
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  Tate is highly intelligent, very competent, is a champion
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  kickboxer. I despise the business that that
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  he was largely in and and really made a lot of his money in, but
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  there's no question that he was immensely wealthy.
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  So if you're a young man and what you're being fed by the
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  left is you need to be emasculated.
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  If you're looking around at the right and all you see is a bunch
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  of men that you don't feel are willing to actually step up.
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  It's a it's another problem we've had in the church where
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  we, we have a lot of men that just maybe they are
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  intellectual, but they, they come off as weak.
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  They just come off as weak. And I'm not surprised why young
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  men look at someone like Andrew Tate and say, you know what, say
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  what you want. He's powerful, he's competent.
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  He's actually addressing the issues that I feel as a man.
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  I'm being just blamed for things I've never done or never been
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  guilty of. I'm being told that I'm
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  responsible for all of society's ills and I'm 16.
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  How am I responsible? And yet this guy seems to have
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  answers, at least for the the basic things that men tend to
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  want. We want respect.
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  We want to be, we want to be admired.
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  We want to be loved. We love the idea.
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  I mean, we, we want to, you know, we want to have a
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  beautiful woman like, and he's got these things.
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  And so I understand where young men are coming from.
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  And I think that there's an element to the things that
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  Andrew Tate has identified that are legitimate problems and in
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  some respects has done a very good job of effectively
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  discussing them. So the question is, is what is
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  the response from the right? If we're saying don't be that,
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  well, what are we giving them as an alternative?
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  And right now what they're seeing as well, I guess I'm
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  supposed to be emasculated, weak and have 47 pronouns and like,
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  well, I'm not going to do that. The thing that I would say is
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  that it, it is, it is always going to be harder to combat
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  what in many respects is not totally, but certainly more
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  hedonistic in nature because there's, there's that impulse to
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  want nice things to again, want beautiful women.
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  Like all of that. Like there's, that's just there.
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  It's it's easy to identify and it's easy to sell.
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  We need more men that understand that it's not good enough to
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  just be intelligent. It's not good enough to just be,
• 19:56
  you know, wealthy. And ultimately it's not good
• 19:59
  enough to just be strong too. You have to be honorable.
• 20:02
  You have to be noble. And you don't, you don't get
• 20:06
  that through secular humanism. There has to be an objective
• 20:10
  standard of right and wrong in order for you to even have a
• 20:14
  concept of honor and nobility. And so I was speaking at, I was
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  speaking at liberty a while back and I said, you want to know why
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• 20:27
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  He was intelligent, he was compassionate, he was tender,
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• 20:40
  sacrifice, willing to endure pain, willing to engage in
• 20:44
  physical violence when necessary, but all for an
• 20:48
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• 21:01
  But the idea that he would take that privileged position he has
• 21:04
  as God and actually take on human Fort in order to endure
• 21:07
  all of that, he provided us the perfect example of courage and
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  honor and nobility. And you know what we get in our
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  anyone. Be tolerant.
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  The truth is offensive to those who reject it.
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  I I should be compassionate toward people, but I should
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  never be tolerant of evil. And so I think it's relatively
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  simple. If you're going to get up and
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  you're going to tell young men what you think they should do,
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  the first question you should ask yourself is have you put
• 21:41
  yourself in a position to be the sort of person they'd even want
• 21:44
  to listen to? Leadership is a responsibility.
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  It's not something you just get one day.
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  It's not something you get by virtue even of position or age.
• 21:57
  You have to get it through competence and capability and
• 22:00
  that is an ongoing process. It's never complete.
• 22:03
  It's like sanctification. I don't think it's complete.
• 22:06
  When we finally get, get to go home, you know, to, to God and
• 22:09
  stand before our creator and hopefully hear well done, good
• 22:11
  and faithful servant. So I, I think that there has
• 22:15
  been a, a, there has been an absence on the right.
• 22:20
  However, that's not as true as it was 10 years ago.
• 22:26
  Now. There's, there's always been
• 22:27
  role models that we could look up to, But it, it's this
• 22:29
  combination of things and I and I, I usually, I put it into five
• 22:33
  different categories. It's, it's the spiritual, the
• 22:35
  intellectual, the emotional, the physical and the professional
• 22:39
  that the spiritual is the most important because it provides
• 22:41
  the bedrock for your entire worldview.
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  Again, it provides the standard for what is right, what is
• 22:45
  wrong, what is honorable, what is not.
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  The intellectual is, and Jordan Peterson talks about this a lot,
• 22:52
  right? It's this idea that one of the
• 22:53
  most one of the most intimidating things and
• 22:55
  formidable things that you can do is develop your mind in such
• 22:58
  a way to not only be intelligent or articulate, but also funny,
• 23:03
  to have wit, to be able to engage.
• 23:06
  The emotional component has to do with being able to not hide
• 23:08
  one's emotions, but to understand that emotion is an
• 23:11
  invitation to thought. So you regulate them, you
• 23:13
  control them in such a way to where you can be tender to the
• 23:16
  people that you love and dangerous to the people that
• 23:20
  would be threats to them. The physical is obvious and
• 23:23
  honestly, it's one of the areas that has been missing the most
• 23:25
  out of the right guys. Get to the gym, right, whether
• 23:30
  it's lifting, whether it's learning how to fight, whatever
• 23:32
  it is. I'm not saying you got to be an
• 23:34
  MMA champion like Chad Robashaw, right, Who's a great example, a
• 23:38
  great male role model. But you do need to be someone
• 23:41
  that if you're going to say, I cannot stand it when I hear a
• 23:44
  man say I would die for my family, good.
• 23:47
  Would you live for them? Because they actually need that
• 23:49
  from you a lot more on a day-to-day basis.
• 23:52
  And when you say you would die for them, OK, great.
• 23:54
  But wouldn't you rather be victorious for them?
• 23:59
  Wouldn't you rather be in a position where you get in that
• 24:01
  fight for your family and you win?
• 24:04
  So do the things necessary to do that.
• 24:06
  And because I believe men are not just protectors, but also
• 24:09
  providers, yes, develop the necessary skill sets, the
• 24:13
  marketable skill sets, so that you can be effective and
• 24:17
  competent and capable professionally.
• 24:19
  Because that's not just good for you, it's also good for your
• 24:21
  family and it's also good for others.
• 24:23
  Because one of the great things about a market system is the
• 24:27
  only way I'm able to attain wealth is by providing somebody
• 24:30
  else something that they need. And so developing those skill
• 24:34
  sets across those lines are incredibly important.
• 24:36
  But I'm starting to see more people like Chad Robichaud that
• 24:40
  that has done that, like John Lovell from, from Warrior Poet
• 24:43
  Society. I mean, just these guys are
• 24:46
  stepping into this space and they have credibility because I
• 24:48
  can tell you from my own, my own spiritual walk, my own Christian
• 24:51
  walk. I was raised in the church.
• 24:53
  I hadn't meant I respected and yet somehow when I got in the
• 24:56
  military for the first several years, I, I, it's not that I
• 24:59
  walked away from my faith or it wasn't active in my life.
• 25:02
  That wasn't because I didn't have people that were reading
• 25:06
  scripture. It was because I didn't have men
• 25:08
  that were doing it that I respected as men.
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  And then all of a sudden you have those guys that, that come
• 25:14
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  quite frankly, I'd seen a lot of Christian men and I was like, we
• 25:32
  may share a faith, but that's it.
• 25:36
  And so I, I think it's so important and, and it's, it's
• 25:39
  amazing the impact those people can have when they decide that
• 25:43
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  I think it's such a good point. And the part that's also tricky
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  here is like the age of the Internet, the age of digital
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  media, and you know, real men like the best men that I know,
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  the strongest, the most competent, the most noble, the
• 27:37
  most loving, the protectors, the guys that I would call if I
• 27:40
  needed help. It's my husband, it's my dad,
• 27:43
  you know, people that are just good, but they're salt of the
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  earth men that they're not online, right?
• 27:47
  They're not building brands online.
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  I think that's a particular calling that is very important.
• 27:52
  And so I think already there's a sort of fakeness right to I
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  think the undertake Empire, which is that he's built a brand
• 28:00
  to show off wealth, to show off women, to show off strength.
• 28:04
  When really when it comes down to it, you know, what is really
• 28:07
  a man? Yeah, he's going to be have
• 28:09
  competencies. He's going to be able to
• 28:10
  provide. He's going to be strong.
• 28:11
  But there's so much to, I think a, a, a man to aspire to be that
• 28:15
  you're describing like it. And the first thing that you
• 28:17
  mentioned is spiritual, like having that spiritual
• 28:20
  foundation. I think, you know, separate from
• 28:23
  the tape thing. I had to throw that in there
• 28:24
  because that's trending on X right now.
• 28:26
  And you know, it's, it's, it's, it's interesting to watch how
• 28:29
  the right is handling it because I think that we can either
• 28:33
  double down on standing up and putting up true men that are
• 28:37
  leaders. I think you're one of those.
• 28:40
  And I'm so grateful for that, Nick.
• 28:42
  Or we can say, well, we're going to have to just kind of go
• 28:44
  common lowest denominator here because it's better, you know,
• 28:48
  there's people out there, at least they're saying some of our
• 28:50
  talking points and sharing some of our ideologies, right?
• 28:53
  So I'm going to look past, you know, sex trafficking and
• 28:56
  pornography, God forbid, or whatever other fake things are
• 28:59
  going on because there's also fake stuff going on that's not
• 29:01
  even real. And I think there's an obviously
• 29:04
  another way and but this isn't just happening on the right.
• 29:06
  I wanted to share this clip from Mark Zuckerberg and I found this
• 29:10
  so fascinating. I want to hear your take on it
• 29:12
  because Mark Zuckerberg, the founder of Facebook, you know,
• 29:16
  one of his, his COO was Sheryl Sandberg and she wrote that book
• 29:20
  Leanin. She's this woman who, you know,
• 29:23
  horribly donated like I think a couple $1,000,000 to Planned
• 29:26
  Parenthood. So super Lib.
• 29:28
  I liked some elements of her book because she was about like,
• 29:30
  you know, being, you know, using your talents as a the woman,
• 29:33
  whatever. But the part that was I think
• 29:35
  really wrong was she was saying, well, women need to be 50% in
• 29:38
  the boardroom. You know, women belong in the
• 29:41
  workplace. And it's like not if they're not
• 29:43
  built for it, not if they don't want it.
• 29:45
  There's certain places that actually women I don't think
• 29:47
  belong, like combat veteran, you know, combat roles.
• 29:51
  All this to say, Mark Zuckerberg is now making the rounds on on
• 29:54
  podcasts right now talking about how we need more masculine
• 29:58
  energy in corporate America because because of DEI, women
• 30:02
  have now just like taken, you know, literally over the
• 30:05
  boardroom in a lot of corporate America.
• 30:06
  Not totally, but there's a lot more women.
• 30:09
  It's all about inclusivity to women, all of this stuff.
• 30:11
  So I want to play this clip. I let me see if we can get you
• 30:13
  to hear it's from Joe Rogan. Just, I think a lot of the
• 30:16
  corporate world is, is like pretty culturally neutered and,
• 30:24
  and I, I, I just think like having, you know, I, I grew up,
• 30:27
  I have three sisters, no brothers.
• 30:29
  I have three daughters, no sons. So I'm like surrounded by girls
• 30:32
  and women like my, my whole life.
• 30:34
  And there's something the, the, the kind of masculine energy I
• 30:38
  think is, is good. And obviously, you know, society
• 30:41
  has plenty of that, but, but I think corporate culture was
• 30:44
  really like trying to get away from it.
• 30:47
  I think having a culture that like celebrates the aggression a
• 30:50
  bit more has its own merits that are really positive.
• 30:55
  The intent on all these things I think is good.
• 30:56
  But I think these things can always go a little far.
• 31:00
  And I think it's one thing to say we want to be kind of like
• 31:03
  welcoming and make a good environment for everyone.
• 31:06
  And I think it's another to basically say that masculinity
• 31:10
  is bad. And I, I just think we kind of
• 31:12
  swung culturally to that part of the, the kind of the spectrum.
• 31:17
  And I didn't really feel that until I got involved in martial
• 31:23
  arts, which there are these things, there are like a few of
• 31:26
  these things throughout your life where you just, you have an
• 31:29
  experience and you're like, where has this been my whole
• 31:31
  life? And it just like it just turned
• 31:33
  on like a part of my brain that I was like, OK, yeah.
• 31:37
  Like this was this was a piece of the puzzle that should have
• 31:40
  been there. And I'm glad it now is.
• 31:43
  It's true. It's true.
• 31:45
  I getting getting back in, getting back into, for a while
• 31:48
  there I was getting back into MMA training and I need to get
• 31:51
  back into it again. I had to take a break just
• 31:54
  because I was gone so much. I wasn't able to keep up with
• 31:56
  it. But there, there's something
• 31:59
  about the physical, physical competition that is very, very
• 32:06
  important because it actually it, it, it's not only important
• 32:10
  for practical reasons, it's also very important for psychological
• 32:12
  reasons for, for a man. And so I, I think he's, I think
• 32:15
  he's right about that. I think it's interesting too
• 32:17
  that when they, I can't remember what the study was, but they
• 32:21
  started giving, they, they did a study where they were giving
• 32:23
  more left wing men testosterone replacement theory.
• 32:28
  And the more testosterone, the higher testosterone levels went,
• 32:31
  the more right wing they started to be on, on topics.
• 32:35
  And, and again, I don't think that's just gimmicky.
• 32:37
  I think there's actually something to that.
• 32:40
  And it's, it's one of the reasons why we're investigating
• 32:43
  so much now into what these various medications have done
• 32:45
  and what are, what's in our food and everything else and how it's
• 32:47
  impacted things. But the larger point about
• 32:49
  masculinity, I will say I, I was working when I got out of the
• 32:54
  military, I was working in the defense space still and one of
• 32:57
  the most formidable, capable people I ever worked with.
• 33:01
  Her name was Michelle was a woman who I like.
• 33:05
  She scared me, but I loved working for her because she was
• 33:10
  just, I, I mean, she was so good at her job.
• 33:15
  And, and the point of that is to say that when he says more
• 33:19
  masculine traits, we typically assignment, we, we associate
• 33:22
  masculine traits with things like competitiveness,
• 33:25
  aggression, physical prowess, you know, sarcasm.
• 33:29
  Like there's, there's various things like that are, that are
• 33:31
  generally associated with masculinity.
• 33:34
  They're not exclusively masculine traits.
• 33:36
  They're just predominantly manifest themselves in, in
• 33:39
  masculine figures. She had those skill sets.
• 33:43
  Again, she was incredibly intelligent, very witty,
• 33:45
  sarcastic, like very competitive.
• 33:49
  And so she flourished. And the reason why she
• 33:51
  flourished is because she had the necessary attributes which
• 33:56
  were relevant to the job. So it doesn't have to be
• 34:00
  contained exclusively in men. But to your point, I, I know a
• 34:04
  lot of women that would never been able to do that job as well
• 34:06
  as Michelle. I know a lot of men that
• 34:08
  wouldn't have been able to do that job as well as Michelle.
• 34:11
  This is where I go back to the idea of part of what we're
• 34:14
  talking about here is if the environment requires certain
• 34:16
  characteristics and attributes and you are selecting people for
• 34:22
  that because of other attributes that have nothing to do with it,
• 34:25
  they're going to fail and they're not going to feel good
• 34:28
  about themselves and nobody else is going to feel good about that
• 34:30
  environment. In fact, if anything else,
• 34:32
  you're going to reinforce negative stereotypes.
• 34:35
  See, we told you they're not capable in this particular
• 34:38
  field. No, that person wasn't capable
• 34:40
  in that this particular field. So no, masculinity is a positive
• 34:45
  thing. And you know who believes that
• 34:47
  more than anybody? Women, liberal women believe
• 34:52
  that and here's how you know, because every time they poll
• 34:54
  liberal women looking for a long term relationship with a man,
• 34:58
  they always demonstrate frustration with the sort of men
• 35:02
  liberal women have helped create.
• 35:07
  Non aggressive right. They don't even like they're not
• 35:09
  attracted to what they've created.
• 35:11
  And, and, and so this, I, I think what I think what Mark is
• 35:13
  talking about is that there, there is a, sometimes there's a
• 35:17
  point in time where, where you, you attain such a degree of
• 35:23
  generalized wealth and security that it allows you to ignore
• 35:29
  certain realities about life, certain realities about biology,
• 35:34
  certain realities about threats in this world or what's really
• 35:37
  needed when things get bad. And so we have a tendency to use
• 35:43
  certain things in order to build the sort of society that is safe
• 35:46
  and prosperous and then forget the things that were necessary
• 35:49
  to build it, because those, those things always they never,
• 35:53
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  Lai mean, yeah, some of it was not, you know, some some
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  sometimes there's natural disasters that take place that
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  are not preventable, but they are you can mitigate them.
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  And I think that's been one of the huge criticisms of the
• 37:10
  response to the fires that are blasting through Southern
• 37:13
  California is the lack of certain prevent preparedness.
• 37:18
  And I think DEI, you know, the concern is DEI and all of this,
• 37:23
  you know, the wokeness that's infecting so many parts of even
• 37:26
  our government, even our, you know, our police force, our
• 37:29
  firefighters, that is making an impact.
• 37:32
  I, I saw this article, Nick, that was written by the cut.
• 37:36
  It's in the cut. Mark Zuckerberg thinks companies
• 37:39
  need more masculine energy. But I thought this was so crazy.
• 37:42
  And it kind of goes back to what you're saying at the end.
• 37:44
  She says, anyways, she says this sounds like the perfect
• 37:47
  opportunity to reinstate those Meta fact checkers considering
• 37:51
  men have held about 90% of CEO positions over that for over a
• 37:54
  decade. ANYWAYS, sad to see a one time
• 37:57
  wife guy go full manosphere. Sending our best to Priscilla.
• 38:02
  Priscilla Chan Zuckerberg. This is the wife of so super
• 38:05
  condescending, super like mean girl.
• 38:08
  But what's so crazy to me is that they're basically because
• 38:11
  Mark Zuckerberg is now into, you know, physical fitness,
• 38:15
  basically having guy friends and saying masculine energy is not a
• 38:18
  bad thing. All of a sudden, he's no longer
• 38:20
  a wife guy and he's now part of the manosphere.
• 38:23
  And by manosphere, you know what, she's kind of getting out
• 38:25
  here. She's not getting out like you,
• 38:27
  Nick, you know, or even maybe she hates Jordan Peterson too.
• 38:30
  I don't know. But she's in her mind is Andrew
• 38:32
  Tate. Like basically, if you like to
• 38:34
  be strong, this is what's so sick about it and so sad.
• 38:37
  If you like to be strong and you're, if you're in the online
• 38:39
  world, if you're on X, you know, if you're in this media space,
• 38:42
  if you like to be strong, if you think masculine energy is a good
• 38:44
  thing, and if you, you know, think we need more male men and
• 38:49
  leaders and leadership and you're kind of against woke DEI
• 38:51
  stuff, then all of a sudden you're a manosphere.
• 38:53
  Yeah, Yeah. It's like there's no mid,
• 38:56
  there's no middle way here. So, well, this has always been
• 38:59
  the tactic, right? This is this is the everyone is
• 39:01
  literally Hitler, right? Yes, yes.
• 39:04
  It's always the engaging and hyperbole, hyperbolic rhetoric,
• 39:08
  but but again, it, it, it doesn't play out even on their
• 39:11
  own dating apps. So the thing I would go back to
• 39:15
  is, is again, the it's the idea that those characteristics that
• 39:21
  we associate with masculinity have positive manifestations and
• 39:26
  negative manifestations. Now, if every time you have a
• 39:29
  negative manifestation of of a masculine trait, let's use
• 39:32
  aggression, you have somebody that's an aggressive guy that
• 39:35
  then uses that to exploits a woman or steal something or
• 39:40
  intimidate somebody weaker than them for their own personal
• 39:43
  gain. Of course, those are negative
• 39:46
  manifestations of the trade of aggression.
• 39:48
  But if you didn't say aggression is the problem, well then OK,
• 39:51
  Riddle me this. What are you going to use to
• 39:54
  stop the guy engaging in aggression?
• 39:57
  An emasculated man. No you you send him to DEI
• 40:00
  training. Yeah, you just and this is the
• 40:03
  Part 2 where the. Guy is chasing you with a gun,
• 40:06
  you just say hey, that's not very nice, it's not inclusive,
• 40:09
  please go and put the gun down. Well, even when they say things
• 40:12
  like, you know, 90% of whatever corporate boards or 90% of CEO
• 40:17
  positions, OK, now go to the HR department.
• 40:20
  What is that comprised of? Now go to the people that are
• 40:23
  setting policy. Now go to the people that are,
• 40:25
  are this idea that if you have a male CEO, therefore you have a
• 40:29
  masculine CEO is not true. The idea that you might have a
• 40:33
  male, you know, more male members on the board means that
• 40:37
  you have a masculine board is not true, especially not in the
• 40:41
  society where you've emasculated a lot of people or what they do
• 40:45
  is in their, in their private life, they may be more
• 40:47
  masculine, but in their public or corporate life, they decided
• 40:50
  that it's a liability to be masculine.
• 40:52
  And So what do they do? They just, they just try to stay
• 40:55
  on the fence. Don't make anybody mad, say
• 40:57
  whatever, repeat whatever lines have to be repeated.
• 41:00
  And the end result is, is everybody suffers eventually as
• 41:03
  a result of it. And so I know, I think
• 41:06
  Zuckerberg is, is correct. We, we do need more masculine
• 41:09
  energy and we need more men that want to not only be leaders, but
• 41:12
  actually possess the appropriate attributes and the appropriate
• 41:17
  character. Now, I'm gonna, I'm gonna throw
• 41:20
  something out there that probably sounds kind of weird,
• 41:24
  but it is potentially a good indicator.
• 41:29
  Go for it. OK, so I don't know, are you
• 41:34
  familiar at all? Like, I'm gonna, you're probably
• 41:36
  gonna be like, wow, this guy's a nerd.
• 41:38
  Are you familiar with like Warhammer 40K or anything like
• 41:42
  that? No.
• 41:44
  OK, so it's. This tell me about it.
• 41:46
  It's this kind of like war tabletop war game that you play,
• 41:49
  right? And they came out with a video
• 41:51
  game called Space Marines, which is kind of based on the lore of
• 41:55
  and all that. Henry Cavill's a big fan of it.
• 41:59
  And, and I don't, I don't play it like I don't have it, but my,
• 42:03
  my son started to play the video game because he liked it.
• 42:05
  And he's going off to the army next month.
• 42:08
  And so we started talking about it.
• 42:09
  He was kind of talking to Laura of it or whatnot.
• 42:11
  And then all of a sudden in my Instagram feed, I'm getting more
• 42:14
  and more of these these things coming up.
• 42:19
  And it's these, it's these like memes of these videos.
• 42:23
  And it's usually something from that video game or something
• 42:25
  similar or, or, and it's always a man or a group of men making a
• 42:32
  last stand. And and the meme always says
• 42:36
  like. Like a, like a, like an Alamo,
• 42:39
  like yeah, yeah. And the, and the meme always
• 42:41
  says women, I want to go quietly in my sleep surrounded by the
• 42:45
  people I love. And then it goes men.
• 42:47
  And it shows the video of the last stand holding the flag,
• 42:51
  fighting off, you know, the, the, the hordes of, you know,
• 42:54
  whatever it is coming to get you.
• 42:56
  Or it's the, it's, there's another one of a guy where it's
• 42:59
  this helicopter in the middle of fire and they picked up a bunch
• 43:02
  of kids and the helicopter doesn't have enough, too much
• 43:06
  weight. He can't lift off.
• 43:07
  And, and the, and the guy on there in the back with the kids
• 43:09
  is like, all right, everyone take off your shoes, throw the
• 43:11
  shoes. OK, dump as much fuel.
• 43:13
  And then finally the helicopter start starts to lift off with
• 43:17
  the kids and they look out the window and the guy got off, you
• 43:22
  know, and he's, he's, he's going to die, right?
• 43:24
  But he's, but he saved the kids. That is noble, right?
• 43:30
  And, and obviously, you know, I don't, I don't want, I don't, I
• 43:33
  certainly don't want my son to, to die in a valiant last stand
• 43:37
  or whatnot. But there is something there
• 43:42
  about. It's protect.
• 43:44
  It's like. It's oriented or it's not.
• 43:47
  It's the difference. It's the difference between I
• 43:49
  want to be capable because I want the Bugatti and the women
• 43:53
  versus I want to be capable because I want to be able to be
• 43:58
  there for the people I love in the moment they need me the
• 44:01
  most. And there's something to that if
• 44:07
  we can direct it in the way it needs to go.
• 44:11
  I love that. Well, the Bugatti and the woman,
• 44:13
  like for most people, I think your average person, it's our
• 44:17
  yeah, it would be cool to have, you know, a super fancy car and
• 44:20
  like you can unfortunately, in the in the world of only fans,
• 44:23
  pornography, prostitution, like those that's cheap.
• 44:26
  You know, sex is so cheap today. It's like one of the cheapest
• 44:29
  things. Like the thing that is one of
• 44:31
  the most sacred things in the world has become the cheapest.
• 44:34
  But the measure of a man, it's like, what does he do?
• 44:36
  He treats things with the respect and the the gravity that
• 44:39
  they deserve. He's willing to, you know,
• 44:41
  protect the weak, is willing to see sex as, as something sacred
• 44:45
  and be willing to and able to commit to one woman and be able
• 44:48
  to provide for her and build a life with her.
• 44:50
  I mean, that's the model of masculinity that, you know, I
• 44:53
  was blessed to grow up with. And it's kind of a no brainer, I
• 44:56
  feel to me. But again, when so many people
• 44:58
  are hurting out there and there's so much confusion,
• 45:00
  they're drawn to these more radical figures online.
• 45:03
  All right. I, one of the things that you
• 45:05
  said earlier, Nick, that I want you to share more about because
• 45:07
  I think it's really important was about the importance of, you
• 45:10
  know, talked about masculine masculinity, men having
• 45:13
  spiritual, emotional, intellectual, physical strength.
• 45:16
  And then you also said professional.
• 45:18
  And I think that's one thing that obviously Zuckerberg, I
• 45:21
  think is putting out a token here of like saying, hey, we
• 45:24
  want men in the workplace like we, we, we want you.
• 45:26
  We want your competitiveness, we want your aggressiveness, we
• 45:28
  want your sharpness. It's a good thing and you're
• 45:32
  welcome, right, Right. There's been a reverse of that
• 45:35
  over the last, I would say decade plus where it's like
• 45:36
  women are being encouraged to be the be the ones to go into
• 45:39
  business in law school and some of these professions.
• 45:42
  Women are being encouraged to graduate college.
• 45:44
  Women are being encouraged to get some of these jobs.
• 45:46
  And that's not to say women can't do those jobs.
• 45:48
  And again, I think you can have a very, you know, a man who's
• 45:52
  totally masculine, who the way that he's masculine is not going
• 45:54
  to look the same way as the next guy, right?
• 45:56
  Just because you're like shorter or you have a different body
• 45:59
  type or you have different talents or skills, does it make
• 46:01
  you less of a man? I think that's important because
• 46:03
  we have these stereotypes about masculinity.
• 46:05
  But all that being said, I do think one of the challenges a
• 46:08
  lot of young men face is that it is hard today to find a career,
• 46:13
  to build up professional competency, to be in the
• 46:15
  position to even support a family because of the way the
• 46:18
  economy has changed, because of the really the advent of women,
• 46:21
  you know, taking over so much of the workforce.
• 46:23
  I'm not saying it's that there's a lack of opportunities.
• 46:26
  I think that's just part of also the way the economy is changing.
• 46:29
  But you could, you know, we could have a whole discussion
• 46:30
  about that. But what would be your advice?
• 46:33
  What's your take on that? And then what's your advice for
• 46:34
  men, especially younger men, to develop their competencies so
• 46:39
  that they can be professionally strong and be able to not just
• 46:44
  survive in this world, but thrive and if they feel called
• 46:47
  to have a family and lead a family?
• 46:49
  Yeah, I think, well, again, going back to the spiritual
• 46:52
  thing, I think that's really important because what what the
• 46:55
  spiritual component of this does is not just provide motivation,
• 46:57
  it provides discipline. It's not just about doing
• 47:00
  something because you want it, it's about doing something
• 47:02
  because it's necessary. And it's a very, very different
• 47:05
  mindset because if you're just doing something because you want
• 47:07
  it, well, then the moment you don't want it or the moment
• 47:09
  you've done the cost benefit analysis and well, it's not
• 47:11
  really worth it, then you stop. And there's no moral implication
• 47:15
  to that. But the moment you actually have
• 47:18
  a sense of right and wrong and necessity, discipline is able to
• 47:21
  take over when motivation fails. And that's really important.
• 47:26
  The other thing is, is that for, for the men that do want to get
• 47:29
  married, which I think is the vast majority of men, I, I think
• 47:31
  it's about look at this sort of characteristics and attributes
• 47:34
  that you would want in a wife. And then ask yourself, am I the
• 47:36
  sort of person that would attract that?
• 47:38
  Because just like, and, and I will say this too, for, for
• 47:41
  young women, there's been a great deal of emphasis on what
• 47:44
  women need from a man. There hasn't been much emphasis
• 47:46
  on what men need from women. And we have, we have needs,
• 47:49
  wants and desires as well. And those needs, wants and
• 47:51
  desires are not bad simply because they're a little bit
• 47:54
  different than what women want sometimes or what they or what
• 47:56
  we prioritize. But men should be focused on how
• 48:00
  do I become attracted to the sort of woman that I want to
• 48:02
  marry and build a family with? And one of those things is
• 48:05
  providing. And so I think when it comes to
• 48:08
  developing necessary skill sets, one of the things we always told
• 48:12
  our children was dreams are good, but they don't feed you,
• 48:16
  right? Or they don't necessarily feed
• 48:18
  you is the better way to put it. So we're not telling you to give
• 48:22
  up on your dreams, but you need to develop marketable skill set.
• 48:26
  You then you need to find a dream that feeds you or you need
• 48:29
  to find an occupation that allows you to, to pursue your
• 48:31
  dream because nobody else is responsible for your well-being.
• 48:36
  That's just the reality. We, we have a lot of, I think we
• 48:39
  have a lot of people now that, that feel as if they are
• 48:41
  entitled to their dreams. You are entitled to pursue
• 48:45
  happiness. Nobody is required to, to give
• 48:47
  it to you. And, and if you go into it with
• 48:50
  that mindset, that, look, this is, if it's my dream that it's
• 48:53
  mine to accomplish. And there may be people that
• 48:55
  help me along the way. In fact, there most probably
• 48:57
  will be. And you should treat those
• 48:58
  people with respect and admiration and use them to be
• 49:01
  able to provide the same for other people that are coming
• 49:04
  after you. But it's your responsibility.
• 49:07
  And that's not that's not just a burden, it's a privilege.
• 49:11
  It is a privilege to be able to live in a society where you can
• 49:14
  have options to make your own way.
• 49:16
  And if you want to look at what it, what constitutes A
• 49:19
  marketable skill set, it's very easy supply and demand, right?
• 49:25
  In those fields for which there is low supply and high demand,
• 49:29
  that is a highly marketable skill set.
• 49:32
  And so you need to look at that part practically, what are the
• 49:36
  things that I, I have natural talents and inclinations toward
• 49:40
  and then what it within the professional space, the ability
• 49:43
  to meet the demand, what sort of skills that I have to develop in
• 49:47
  order to be competitive in that environment.
• 49:50
  The other thing too, that I would tell young man is that I
• 49:52
  don't think there's ever been a better time in many respects to
• 49:55
  be entrepreneurial. I don't think everyone is
• 49:58
  necessarily, you know, inclined to own a business, right?
• 50:01
  We need, we need good technicians or good artisans
• 50:04
  that want to be at the top of their craft but don't want to
• 50:07
  manage payroll. Like, you know, I get that, but
• 50:12
  don't ever forget that, you know, that that skill set that
• 50:14
  you might develop is not just so that you can perform that
• 50:18
  particular task, but that's so one day you might be able to
• 50:22
  provide other people an opportunity to provide that same
• 50:25
  task, while at the same time that you're expanding your, your
• 50:27
  own professional competence capability and developing
• 50:31
  expanding opportunities for yourself and at the same time
• 50:34
  expanding them for other people as well.
• 50:37
  And, and I think we need to once again look at the, the enormous
• 50:42
  practical and moral benefits from the free market, right from
• 50:46
  recognizing that being able to find your place in an
• 50:50
  environment where you can provide the best of your skills
• 50:53
  in exchange for the best of other people's skills is a, is a
• 50:56
  noble thing. It's a good thing.
• 50:59
  I heard someone say the other day that, you know, you know,
• 51:02
  out of, out of the 33 years that that Jesus had on earth, he
• 51:07
  actually spent more time in carpentry than he did in
• 51:10
  evangelism. So I, I think finding skill sets
• 51:14
  that you, that you enjoy and develop in them is very
• 51:17
  important. The other thing that I would say
• 51:18
  is the practical side of that as well is that, you know, my, the,
• 51:25
  the number of jobs that you go into and you stay with the same
• 51:28
  company for 30 years, it is diminishing significantly.
• 51:34
  And I, I think to some degree we have still raised a generation
• 51:38
  to believe that, well, that was the ideal.
• 51:40
  And it's like, well, no, it maybe it was for some people, or
• 51:43
  maybe it was for a particular time, but we are more and more
• 51:46
  going into an environment where it is highly likely that you
• 51:50
  will change. You may change careers two or
• 51:52
  three times. And, and instead of dreading
• 51:55
  that, or instead of creating this false expectation in your
• 51:57
  mind that you're going to do the same thing for 30 years, embrace
• 52:01
  the excitement and the adventure associated with developing
• 52:05
  multiple skill sets, looking for opportunities, and then having
• 52:09
  the capacity and the wisdom to seize them when they present
• 52:12
  themselves. And so that, that would be the
• 52:15
  advice. I would never stop learning,
• 52:17
  never stop developing new capabilities.
• 52:20
  Unfortunately, our public school system is is not very good at
• 52:23
  fostering that kind of entrepreneurial mindset.
• 52:26
  I think in some respects it's trying to be better, but it's a
• 52:29
  government run institution, so don't be shocked when it doesn't
• 52:31
  produce great results. But I do think there's a lot of
• 52:34
  other opportunities out there. You know, we talked a lot about
• 52:36
  the dangers of the Internet and appropriately so, but there's
• 52:39
  also opportunities within the Internet.
• 52:41
  It's never been easier to learn new skill sets.
• 52:44
  It's never been easier to find networks of people that, that
• 52:47
  share your, your convictions and, and your worldview and, and
• 52:51
  to develop the sort of communities where you can't work
• 52:53
  together. And so that's, that's what I
• 52:55
  would encourage people to do. And look, you can start small.
• 52:59
  Not every skill set you have to develop is something that you
• 53:02
  have to have completed by the time you're 24.
• 53:05
  Not every skill set that you're trying to develop has to be the
• 53:08
  one that is going to be your primary, that is going to
• 53:10
  provide your primary earning potential, right?
• 53:13
  I didn't learn how to grow and raise my own food until I was
• 53:16
  really in my late 30s and 40s. And it's still not a primary
• 53:20
  story. It's not any source of my
• 53:21
  income. I probably spend more money on
• 53:23
  it than I do at this point. But I'll tell you this much.
• 53:25
  I don't got to worry if the grocery stores get shut down
• 53:28
  again. I know what to do and just
• 53:31
  knowing how to do it and knowing the network of people, because
• 53:35
  in order to learn how to do it, I had to find this network of
• 53:38
  people gives you an incredible sense of both capability, but
• 53:42
  also community. And so that's, that's what I
• 53:45
  would tell young men to do is, is be constantly looking to
• 53:48
  develop skill sets. Some of them are going to be
• 53:50
  major, some of them are going to be minor.
• 53:52
  But the more capable you become, the more and the more skills you
• 53:55
  develop, the more able you are going to be to seize
• 53:58
  opportunities when they present themselves.
• 54:00
  And then never ever doubt the impact of effective
• 54:05
  communication. If you were the sort of person
• 54:08
  that can think critically and simply articulate what you're
• 54:12
  thinking and what you are trying to do, that in and of itself is
• 54:18
  a marketable skill set. You can you combine that with
• 54:22
  work ethic? Are are you willing to, are you
• 54:25
  willing to get there on time, do the work and and not quit the
• 54:31
  moment things get difficult? Oh my gosh, you're like a golden
• 54:35
  employee at this point. It's so true.
• 54:37
  I mean, I think even just in my experience hiring people,
• 54:41
  whether it's for GTB who runs the show, the media company, for
• 54:44
  live action, for other projects or collaborations.
• 54:47
  It's so hard to find people that are willing to put their heads
• 54:52
  down and work hard, who are willing to develop the skills
• 54:55
  and the talents they need, who are willing to be reliable.
• 54:57
  I mean, it's just, but there's so much opportunity out there
• 55:00
  for people who are willing to put in the virtue to develop.
• 55:03
  I mean, really it's it's a virtue.
• 55:04
  It's a developing of a virtue. I want to ask you one more thing
• 55:08
  about this whole, you know, the ongoing debate about masculinity
• 55:13
  and that's having to do with sexual integrity, because I
• 55:15
  think this is something that there's so much confusion about.
• 55:18
  I mean, the post sexual revolution people are confused
• 55:21
  about because we were told, you know, feminism, all of this.
• 55:26
  Women can do whatever they want with their bodies.
• 55:29
  Sex is totally recreational as long as there's consent.
• 55:32
  Men, you know, if as long as there's consent, it's really
• 55:35
  whatever you want to do. But don't be gross.
• 55:37
  Like, I mean, there's kind of so many mixed messages.
• 55:39
  And now if we see today, it's like, what is sex?
• 55:42
  Well, there's gender identity. Now.
• 55:43
  Are you even a man or a woman based on your biology?
• 55:45
  No, I mean, there's complete chaos, right?
• 55:48
  And I think one of the things that I'm seeing more of on both
• 55:51
  the left and the right, which is not a surprise because you see
• 55:54
  these extremes on both sides. But is this total decay of what
• 55:58
  is sex for? Like a, a, a rejection of what
• 56:00
  is sex for? And, but how do we present this
• 56:04
  especially to a younger generation, especially of men,
• 56:08
  women too, but especially of men who are so inundated with porn,
• 56:13
  They're so inundated with these false view of what woman is.
• 56:17
  And they're being told by some of these kind of very loudmouth,
• 56:20
  you know, online personalities that but the measure of their
• 56:23
  manhood is basically how many women they can sleep, literally
• 56:27
  they can sleep with, and their power to have whatever woman
• 56:30
  they want sexually. So I got married at 19 and I'm
• 56:35
  very proud to say I've been with one woman my entire life.
• 56:37
  That's it. And I wouldn't want it any other
• 56:39
  way. In fact, when I when I hear guys
• 56:41
  talk about casual sex, I'm like, what a crappy way to describe
• 56:44
  sex. I have no idea what casual sex
• 56:47
  is like. I only know what it's like to
• 56:49
  have sex with a woman that I love, admire and like,
• 56:52
  incredibly attracted to and want to be with And oh, by the way,
• 56:55
  wants, desires the same of me. So you're right, I have no idea
• 56:59
  what casual sex is, but it sounds horrible.
• 57:04
  It's, it's the, I mean, if we wanted to use an easy analogy,
• 57:10
  it's, it's and filling yourself with, with fast food or, or junk
• 57:14
  as opposed to actually having the real genuine article.
• 57:20
  I don't just advocate for the sort of of sexual purity of
• 57:26
  waiting until you're married and then and then being and then,
• 57:29
  and then that purity goes beyond marriage because the marriage
• 57:33
  bed is not defiled, right? That's scriptural.
• 57:35
  But it's the idea that if you, if you're filling your head full
• 57:37
  of things that are supposed to be reserved for your spouse, and
• 57:41
  this goes for men and women that are supposed to be reserved for
• 57:44
  your spouse, then you're robbing yourself of something.
• 57:47
  You're not just doing something that is wrong.
• 57:49
  It is wrong, But part of the reason why it's wrong is because
• 57:54
  of the damage it does and because it robs you of something
• 57:57
  that is better. And so I think part of this is
• 58:01
  getting people to understand that when Christians say, or
• 58:04
  when people advocating for this sort of approach to sex say
• 58:09
  don't do this. We're not just doing it because
• 58:12
  we're married to some sort of, you know, arcane or puritanical
• 58:17
  approach. We're we're basically saying
• 58:23
  like, I mean, that's it. How do I put this?
• 58:29
  It's like, you have no idea how good this is going to be if you
• 58:32
  just do it right. But the more, the more ways you
• 58:37
  cheapen it or make it perverse, you're going to make it more
• 58:41
  difficult to get the thing you really want.
• 58:44
  And so it's like anything else, it's delayed gratification.
• 58:48
  When we talk about delayed gratification with respect to
• 58:50
  the economic world of the professional world, everyone
• 58:53
  understands what it means and it makes perfect sense.
• 58:56
  And we, when we talked about in finance or saving a retirement,
• 58:59
  it's like, Hey, look, if you can just, if you can just take this
• 59:01
  little bit of money and you can put it away in a, in a
• 59:04
  portfolio. I mean, the difference when you
• 59:08
  hit 60 is going to be millions upon millions of dollars.
• 59:13
  I'm not even asking you to wait 40 years.
• 59:15
  I'm asking delayed gratification until you find the woman you
• 59:18
  want to marry or the man you want to marry.
• 59:19
  And then doing that and then you get the next 60 years, right?
• 59:24
  Like you get that. And I had a I'll put it this
• 59:28
  way, I was an Army special forces.
• 59:33
  Army special forces is generally comprised of guys that are
• 59:37
  reasonably fit, pretty confident and fairly confident in who they
• 59:42
  are, right. You ask women what they like in
• 59:45
  men, competent, fit and come and capable or confident.
• 59:52
  OK, so you're going into and then take those same group of
• 59:55
  guys and now put them in a foreign country.
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  We're not only. You know, would they be already
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  desirable? But now you're also the
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  opportunity to marry an American, right.
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  And I'm just being real here with the with the reality of
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  this. You had a lot of guys that were
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  able to pretty much do whatever they wanted with whoever they
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  wanted. And, and I remember sometimes
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  getting getting teased about this idea that, you know, well
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  mix only you know, it, it, it was the jokes of again, we're,
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  we're the, we're the inexperienced ones, right?
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  Like me and my wife, we're the inexperienced ones.
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  We just don't know. We just don't understand.
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  And isn't that kind of quaint? And I remember a buddy was, was
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  and he wasn't being, he wasn't being vicious about it, right?
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  He was just teasing me. He was just guy talk, what we
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  would call locker room talk. And I finally looked at him and
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  I said, dude, you got a GED and a bunch of girls that don't care
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  about you and you don't care about, I've got a PhD in this
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  field with one woman that I am passionate about.
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  Who do you honestly think is having a better time?
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  And he's like, all right, that's actually a good way to put it.
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  Yeah, and who's also the person you're entrusting your children
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  to? When many times children
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  inevitably are brought into the world, it's like, what do you do
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  then? What is your?
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  Offspring and that's all true, right?
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  And that's all part of the larger responsibility of this.
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  But if I can, the reason why I'm the reason why I'm focusing a
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  little bit more on this side of this that is not as associated
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  with the practical considerations with it.
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  But the part that is that is pleasurable, that is fun, that
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  is intimate. It's because I'm looking it's
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  it's I'm not just doing this because this is the best way to
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  raise kids. And it is I'm not just doing
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  this because this is the safest and most responsible way to do
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  it to avoid things like STD's or I think because it is.
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  I'm not just doing it because it's the way to avoid
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  potentially people coming back, you know, at, at a confirmation
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  hearing and being like, did you do this?
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  Did you do that? Because it is.
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  I'm also doing it because God created this to be a wonderful
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  expression of physical love and beauty between a man and a wife.
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  Why would you want to diminish it with something so much less
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  than that? And, and when we don't talk
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  about that side of it, not in a, not in a graphic or, or, you
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  know, inappropriate way, but just in a very sincere, like,
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  no, please understand, it's so much better when you allow for
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  this. And then you get that additional
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  benefit of the that that communion producing a child from
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  both of you, because a child is a child is always a wonderful
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  thing. But if you, if you ever want to
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  avoid this kind of like inappropriate mindset of, Oh my
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  gosh, this is a burden. We'll then create one with the
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  woman you love, create one with the man that you respect and
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  admire. And then when you see that child
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  and you see your spouse in that child, Oh my gosh, man, when one
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  of my kids does something wrong, like, oh, that's team.
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  That's the best, right? It's just like, so, so all of
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  it, all of it is so much better. Don't, don't throw it away.
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  By the same token, if you've already made those bad
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  decisions, one of the most wonderful things about the
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  gospel is this idea of the never ending capacity for redemption
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  and reconciliation. But the bottom line is there are
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  practical consequences in this world.
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  And the the closer you can get to just following that, that
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  guideline, following those principles, the more likely you
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  are to have all of those things that God meant for that
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  relationship, the emotional, the intellectual connection, the
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  physical connection, all of it. And so I, I do, I do want, and I
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  do think we're, it's incumbent about those of us who have
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  chosen that path to, to highly recommend it, right?
• 1:04:14
  Not just for the practical reasons, but also for for all
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  the other reasons. Well, I love what you and Tina
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  do. I mean, even Co hosting a show
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  and you know, doing the work together and being that example,
• 1:04:25
  I think it's really inspiring for a lot of people.
• 1:04:28
  And it's it's important because I know it takes work to put
• 1:04:31
  yourself out there when you've got your day job, you've got
• 1:04:33
  multiple day jobs, and then you're making the work to put
• 1:04:36
  yourself, you know, be available to people on social media that
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  takes that's like a job. You know, that's that's
• 1:04:41
  important work. But you're presenting a vision
• 1:04:44
  of masculinity that is rooted in Jesus Christ, the ultimate man,
• 1:04:48
  man and God, but is also, you know, loving his family, serving
• 1:04:53
  his family, serving his country. And I think that is the vision
• 1:04:57
  that young men need. And so thank you.
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  Thank you for doing it, Nick, and thank you for your service
• 1:05:03
  in more ways than one. It I think it's helping a lot of
• 1:05:05
  people. Well, I, I mean, I want to, I
• 1:05:07
  want to thank you, Lila and really the entire live action
• 1:05:10
  team. You guys have done it.
• 1:05:12
  You guys have done an incredible job, not just defending life,
• 1:05:15
  but I think defending a life in the way that needs to be
• 1:05:18
  defended, which is defending the entire family structure,
• 1:05:20
  defending the entire world view. Because if you're not defending
• 1:05:23
  a society that welcomes life, then you're not winning this
• 1:05:27
  just by hopefully getting some legislation passed.
• 1:05:30
  And I was especially thankful for live action.
• 1:05:34
  I was especially thankful for live action on that floor debate
• 1:05:38
  because as I was sitting there and I was, I was going over in
• 1:05:41
  my head like what is the best way that I can try to articulate
• 1:05:45
  to the audience that I know that is going to watch this, whether
• 1:05:48
  it's on that floor debate or in social media.
• 1:05:51
  When I published that speech later, and I've already got it
• 1:05:53
  up on Facebook, but the place I went for not just the resources,
• 1:05:59
  but the stories which articulate the data, it was live action.
• 1:06:06
  And so, and so I, I read, I read off, I read off a story shared
• 1:06:11
  by one of the people that, that you guys put a program for and
• 1:06:15
  gave a platform to. And if I hadn't have had that I,
• 1:06:19
  I can tell you right now, it, it, it wouldn't have been, it
• 1:06:21
  wouldn't have been as impactful as I, I think it was.
• 1:06:25
  And I, and I hope it will continue to be.
• 1:06:26
  So please never doubt the, the work that you're doing both on a
• 1:06:30
  cultural level, but also on, on a, on the political level as
• 1:06:33
  well. It's it is very much
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  appreciated. I'm so glad to hear that.
• 1:06:39
  Thank you so much Nick, you're amazing.
• 1:06:41
  Where can people find you online?
• 1:06:44
  Well, we try to make it easy if you just go to.
• 1:06:46
  It is easy, Nick. J Freitas Yeah, Nick, J Freitas
• 1:06:50
  is, is pretty much what we use for our YouTube, our Twitter,
• 1:06:52
  all of our social media. And then we also have a couple
• 1:06:55
  of shows that we do. We do one called Making the
• 1:06:57
  Argument. That's when you mentioned before
• 1:06:59
  with my Co host Tina, who's my wife and then Christian Heinz.
• 1:07:03
  We have another show we call the Y Minutes and I think we're
• 1:07:06
  actually going to be launching another one here pretty soon as
• 1:07:09
  well, kind of focusing on the work that's been going on with
• 1:07:11
  Doge. So Nick Jay Freitas is the best
• 1:07:13
  way to find it. Love it.
• 1:07:15
  Thank you so much, Nick. Thanks for making the time today
• 1:07:17
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