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E3: Is Abortion Ever Ok? · The Lila Rose Show

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Hey guys, welcome again to the Lila Rose Show.
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I'm really excited because today's episode is something
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that I hope will be very helpful to folks listening.
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This is something that's been in the news a lot lately and a lot.
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I've gotten a lot of questions and and feedback and ideas and
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comments from a lot of you as well as seeing it coming,
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flooding into live action. The pro-life organization that
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I'm a part of that helps to educate millions of people with
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the truth about abortion. And this is the huge controversy
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right now about life, about what is the value of human life.
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Is abortion OK? And all the laws that are being
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passed, which is wonderful in now six different states,
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heartbeat bills in the last six months.
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And there are 9 different states that have had strong pro-life
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measures passed just this year. This is at the same time that
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other states like Illinois and New York before that and
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Virginia have passed or are attempting to pass extreme pro
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abortion laws, the laws that would allow abortion through all
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nine months of pregnancy for any reason on babies of babies of
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any age. So this this controversy has
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gripped our country. And I want to first say that I
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think that this is a very good thing.
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I think that it is long overdue for our nation to have a record
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day on this human rights issue of abortion.
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That it's long overdue for us to come together and actually have
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that conversation of what is abortion?
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What is it doing to these human beings that are our future, our
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children in the womb? What is it really doing to women
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and girls, to families, to our society, to the fabric of our,
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of even how we view each other and how we treat one another.
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And this controversy that's been long beneath the surface needs
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to come above the surface and needs to be talked about.
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And we need to decide as a nation, will we protect human
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life? Do we value human life?
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Since 1973, as many of you know, abortion has been legalized in
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this country, in some States and eight different states,
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basically through all nine months.
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And this was the result of Roe V.
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Wade, a Supreme Court decision and its companion case, Dovey
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Bolton. There were seven Supreme Court
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justices that decided this for the entire nation, seven
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different men in the Supreme Court who decided for the entire
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nation that abortion would now be the law of the land.
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It would be considered a constitutional right.
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And since then, there have been over 60 million deaths, over 60
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million children who have lost their lives because of abortion.
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This is why I've spent the last 15 years of my life since I was
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a teenager, investing in helping grow the pro-life movement,
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helping educate, because I strongly believe that when
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people are educated, people change.
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People change their minds on this and they become pro-life
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and they become proudly pro-life.
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And I've seen it happen countless times.
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And So what I want to do today is use this episode, use the
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next 30 minutes to dive into some of the misinformation that
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has been spread around in the last six months.
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I have seen thousands of comments and there probably have
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been millions at this point from people debating and discussing
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abortion online. This is on Instagram and Twitter
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and Facebook. People are having these
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conversations in their workplaces with friends through
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text message. People are having conversations
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right now about abortion, and that's a good thing.
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So first of all, I want to do a shout out to anybody out there
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who has been engaging bravely and communicating the facts, the
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truth about abortion and about pushing back against the lies
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that are being told because there is a ton of lies being
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told right now. A special shout out to the Live
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Action Ambassadors team. This is a program, Live Action
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is growing. I think we have several 100
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ambassadors. I think we have 2000 applicants
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in now. And this is a program for those
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that are willing and ready and trained.
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We help train you to speak out on life.
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And I'll include a link to this so that you guys can join if you
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want. Or anybody else in any pro-life
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group or in anywhere in the country who's doing this or even
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internationally who's doing this.
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Thank you. Keep going, stay strong.
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We need your voice. Your voice makes a huge
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difference. I also just want to note really
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quick before I dive into some of the misconceptions,
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misinformation, the myths that are being told, that there have
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been a lot of very high profile people who have chimed in
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recently. You guys may have seen this even
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recently Disney and Netflix have said that they oppose Georgia's
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law, heartbeat law, law, which would basically protect a baby
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once his or her heartbeat can be detected, which is about 7 weeks
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in utero, about 5 weeks from the moment of conception, seven
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weeks from when a woman is considered she's pregnant.
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So this is just 21 1/2 days or so, 21 1/2 days, 3 1/2 weeks or
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so after a child is conceived, her little heart or his heart
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starts to beat and within just a few weeks after that, the full
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fully formed heart is present. All four chambers.
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It's incredible how quickly a baby grows in the first
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trimester. A lot of you guys know or may
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know I'm pregnant. I'm actually 10 weeks pregnant.
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My baby's heart is almost completely perfectly formed and
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just needs to get bigger but has almost all all 4 chambers.
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It's amazing how quickly again in just the first trimester that
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baby grows and I heard my little 1.
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I don't know if it's a boy or girl yet but I heard his or her
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heartbeat just a few weeks ago and it was one of the most
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beautiful sounds I ever heard. So I'm so proud of Georgia for
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doing this. But now Disney and Netflix are
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threatening to boycott Georgia and not do any filming because
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it's become a big filming and filming spot location.
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They do tax credits for these companies.
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They've said we're going to threaten to not film there
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anymore more. It's so terribly ironic.
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You know, Disney does business with China and China has
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internment camps for Muslims and they persecute Christians And
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they, they, there's a recent report about how they harvest
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organs from living dissident prisoners, you know, political
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prisoners. I mean, horrific human rights
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abuses. They have forced abortion in
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China. And meanwhile, Netflix and
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Disney are picking on Georgia for being pro-life.
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Well, proud of Georgia cuz they're saying we don't, We're
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going to keep standing for life no matter what.
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We're going to stand by our heartbeat bill, which is
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supposed to go into effect this summer.
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So very proud of Georgia, very proud Alabama, very proud of
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many of these states, Mississippi who are passing
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strong pro-life laws. The 6th topics I'm going to run
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through briefly here that I think have been the six top
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topics I've seen, which are areas of misinformation.
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People commenting or using arguments on the abortion side
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that I think are areas of misinformation.
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They include number one, that we need abortion and that Georgia
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and Alabama and all these states are doing the wrong thing
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because the children who would be born who are being aborted
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instead, these children will have terrible lives.
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Look at the foster care system, look at poverty.
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So number one, we need abortion because these babies will have a
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terrible life #2 Top reason and justification I've seen for why
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we need abortion is because of rape and incest and how horrible
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of pro lifers to not allow for abortion because what about rape
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and incest? The third issue that I've seen
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frequently is what about mother's life being in danger?
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You know you're going to create harm for women and kill women.
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Pro laborers want to kill women, we've heard because the mother's
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life is in danger. Someone respond to that #4
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disability. The child will have serious
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disabilities or could even die after birth.
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So it should be legal to abort them beforehand.
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It's no problem. And then the next one is #5 safe
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abortion. Meaning if we make abortion
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illegal, it will be unsafe behind the back alley and women
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are going to self abort. And that's why we need to stop
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and we need to allow for abortion.
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And then the last one, number six is men aren't allowed to
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speak on abortion. So shut up.
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No men allowed. And so I'm going to run through
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each of these and provide a response, some of the best
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responses I've seen to each of these arguments.
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I hope this is helpful for you guys.
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Live Action also has done a ton of reporting.
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I've been doing a lot of Instagramming about this and
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posting, but this is a quick run through about how we can respond
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to some of the biggest myths, misinformation, arguments when
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it comes to the controversy on abortion right now.
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So we're going to start with the one, the charge that the child
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will have a terrible life and there's just too many kids out
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there in poverty and foster care system already.
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So we need abortion. So first of all, I would say,
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can you say that to any child right now?
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Look a child or a teenager that's in the foster care system
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in the eyes and say it would have been better if you had been
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aborted because that is exactly what the this argument is.
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This argument is it would be better for someone to die than
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to be adopted or to be in the foster care system or to begin
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their life in poverty. And not only that it would be
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better for them to die, but that there's no hope for them if they
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do have that path. And I would just say, first of
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all, an apology if someone listening is an adoptee or to
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spend time in foster care or maybe still is in foster care or
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you know, came from a very poor background or challenging life
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circumstances. I am sorry for all of the hatred
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effectively that you have seen online primarily and from
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elitists. A lot of these people that are
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just looking out from their ivory tower saying how great
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abortion is because it will do away with these people that are
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not wanted. You are wanted.
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You have just as much value as anyone else, anybody else, no
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matter how privileged they are. And it is a shame when people
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use this argument because it is a non argument.
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The reality is anybody, no matter how poor they are, no
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matter their life circumstances, no matter how they were
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conceived, has just as much value as anyone else.
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And our solution as a society should be to focus on improving
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outcomes, improving conditions for those that are struggling.
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And that's why I'm really proud and proud of Alabama.
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They just banned abortion and guess what?
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They just reported their best year yet for foster to adoption
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to improve the foster care system so that kids who are
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struggling in that system are adopted into loving, stable
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families. They just had their highest year
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yet their their record year yet for the amount of adoptions.
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So Alabama are doing the right thing.
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And this insinuation that those in the pro-life community do not
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care about kids who are struggling or in poverty is one
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of the biggest lies ever. Because we not only care, but
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some of the people that are the most active in the pro-life
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movement are the ones who are adopting, who are fostering, who
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are volunteering for low income moms.
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There are thousands of pro-life pregnancy care centers in this
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country. I've been privileged to
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volunteer at many of at not many of them, but a few of them.
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It would be impossible to volunteer at many of them
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because there's so many thousands, but they are
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providing low care for low income women and girls and
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families who are struggling, who need support for their
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pregnancies as well as early childhood, to care with diapers
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and formula, parenting classes, all kinds of resources.
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It's all pro bono, it's all confidential, it's all free.
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Where is the media and the reports on that?
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Where is the media and the reports on Alabama having a
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record year for adoptions in the foster care, out of the foster
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care system? Also, some reports say that
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there are 2 million couples on waiting lists and waiting to
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adopt, many of them infertile. But many of them are not able to
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adopt because not just because of the high cost of adoptions,
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many of these are prepared to pay it out and shell it out.
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But because there aren't enough babies to adopt, there are.
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There are actually not enough babies to adopt.
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So in the foster care system and any given year there's about
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400,000 kids, only about 100 of them are even available for
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adoption or up for adoption. And of those, those children,
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most of them are not babies. Most of them are kids, sibling
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groups, children with disabilities, children who are
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teens. So the reality is we are missing
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children, babies in this country because they're being aborted.
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So yes, we need to focus on the foster care system, improving
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it. We need to lower the cost for
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adoption. There's a lot of public policy
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we can work on and social change we can work on, But that work is
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in process. People are working on that.
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The problem is violence destroying a life before they're
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even born because of this idea that their life is not worth it
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is not a good argument. And it it's not fair to all of
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those who have overcome incredible challenges in their
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life. And the and the reality that
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anybody can overcome that there is always hope.
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And that is the message of the pro-life movement.
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So that's the first topic I've heard a lot is what about the
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kids in foster care? What about what about, you know,
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we need to have abortion because of them?
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Another one, and I'm going to go next to it and you probably have
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heard of it, is the rape and incest issue.
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And I want to actually read one of the comments we've seen on
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social media from somebody about this.
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So this is a comment from someone, I'm not going to say
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their name, but their social media abortion pro abortion
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comment. It says personally, I believe
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the sacredness of body autonomy supersedes emotions of others.
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And attempting to force any rape victim to carry a fetus is
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cruel. There is no disputing it is
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fetal tissue through 12 weeks and no more alive than a brain
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dead person on life support longer.
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OK, a few things to unpack from the social media comment.
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Of course this comment, this person commenting is trying to
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say abortion is necessary in cases of rape and incest.
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They're also saying that body autonomy supersedes emotions.
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And there's no disputing that. It's just fetal tissue.
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It's not a human being basically in the first trimester.
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Wrong on all counts. First of all, yes, I believe in
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body autonomy. Bodily autonomy.
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We all do in the pro-life movement.
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Everybody does, but only to a degree.
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My autonomy doesn't equal my right to do whatever I want with
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my body to the extent of harming someone else.
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A man doesn't have so much bodily autonomy that he can go
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and stab someone else or punch somebody else.
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I don't have so much bodily autonomy that I can go and use
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my body to commit theft and steal something or to hurt
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another person. And in any pregnancy there are
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two bodies, a child's body independent and unique inside of
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me as well as my body. And their body is not my body,
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even though it is inside of me and and needs me for at least
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the 1st 22 1/2 weeks until maybe advanced medical technology can
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keep that little one alive. So I say that to say, first of
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all, when it comes to the issue of rape and incest, which are
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these horrific, horrific abuses that there we have to consider 2
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bodies. But let's talk that through.
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So first of all, you may know and have heard the statistic.
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It's important to note less than 1% of all abortions happen in
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the cases of rape, incest, or the life health of health of the
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mother. These are statistics that have
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been shared even from groups that are pro abortion groups
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even when they do their analysis.
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So this idea that we need abortion on demand because of
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rape and incest is actually a false idea immediately because
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the reality is it's less than 1% of all abortions.
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That being said, is that 1% OK? And the answer is no.
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And This is why first of all rape.
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And it's just like I said, are horrific abuses.
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Actually, a lot of live actions work has been focused on
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exposing the connection between the the sex trafficking industry
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and rape, rapes and rapists and their abusers, abuses and
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abortion. Because abortion facilities are
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a prime place for rapists and sex traffickers to take their
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victims. Because if there's a pregnancy
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that does result. And usually this happens in a
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situation where there's ongoing rape, where there is ongoing
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sexual abuse of a minor. So there's an authority figure
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like a stepdad or something, or there's an actual pimp who has
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control over a young girl and he's continuing to rape her or
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sell her body. And so she gets pregnant at some
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point. And what happens?
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Well in that situation they take her to a reproductive health
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clinic that doesn't ask any questions and that is often
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Planned Parenthood. Live Action has documented this
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extensively. I've actually gone undercover
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and exposed this in abortion facilities.
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You can read all about it on the Live Action website.
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Will also include that link. But the point here is abortion
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is not a healing pathway for survivors of rape or incest.
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Survivor of rape or incest just had a horrific trauma inflicted
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upon them. Abortion is a second trauma that
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would be inflicted upon them. Abortion does not UN rape them.
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It does not take away the trauma that they endured.
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It adds another trauma and it takes out the penalty on an
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innocent third party, on that child, that girl or boy who was
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conceived in rape but did not have any choice about how he or
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she came into the world, instead of taking out the penalty on the
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one who was the perpetrator, the abuser, the rapist.
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In the United States, it's not even legal to give the death
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penalty. It's against federal law to give
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the death penalty to a rapist. So why is it OK to give the
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death penalty to a child conceived in rape?
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Rebecca Keesling is one of those people.
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Beautiful woman, mother for a lawyer.
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Now, she founded a group called Save the One.
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But she was conceived in rape. And she says, should I be given
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the death penalty for the crimes of my father?
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No, Rebecca, you shouldn't be. You were innocent.
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And Rebecca's mother got pregnant with Rebecca after a
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rape, after horrific rapes that she endured the year before Roe
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V Wade. So the year before abortion was
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legal. And she actually looked to find
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an abortionist because she was so overwhelmed she was not able
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to. She ended up delivering Rebecca
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and placing her for adoption. And later on in life, she shared
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with Rebecca that it was actually a healing thing for
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her, that something beautiful and good came out of something
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so dark and horrible. The rate that she endured.
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Very few studies are done on this, but the study, some of the
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few that have been done, found that those who are rape and
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incest survivors and those that choose life.
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Of those that are surveyed, 73% end up choosing life to begin
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with. Even though they're often told
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you should have an abortion, 73% actually end up choosing life.
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So you actually talk to the stories of women who are and
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girls who do survive rape and incest.
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They actually, many of the majority of them actually decide
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to choose life no matter what they're being told.
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And that's something that they felt was important to bring
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something good out of such a horrible situation.
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Another important statistic to share here from the same study
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and live action reports on this that also include the link it's
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the Reardon study is that 88% of the women who aborted after
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having an after being victims of incest or rape actually
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regretted their abortion and said that they felt they made
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the wrong choice. 88% and keep in mind today victims survivors
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of rape and incest, especially when they're very young, they
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are told left and right to have an abortion.
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In fact pro abortion groups campaign with them and say this
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is your right. This happened in Latin America
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recently. There was a horrific case of an
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11 year old girl who was a survivor of incest and all these
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pro abortion groups tried to get her her country to legalize
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abortion. Using her as the poster child,
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How dare they, how dare they use her trauma to say that what she
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needs to heal is an abortion. More trauma, another violent
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act. It's simply not true.
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So those are some responses to that common argument.
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You may hear that somehow we need abortion because of rape
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and incest. And if you are a survivor of
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rape and incest, then abortion is good for you.
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No, it's another trauma and it takes out that it takes out that
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that penalty on an innocent third party.
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Evil cannot come from more evil. More violence cannot create
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healing. It never works that way.
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The next the next comment that I see a ton and you've probably
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seen is we need to have abortion because the mother's life is in
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danger. You know, abortion is necessary
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because women are going to die if they do not have an abortion
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because abortion is, is medically necessary.
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So a few things here. First of all, and I'm actually
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have a comment on this that I, I want to read because I just
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think these comments are what we're all seeing online, right?
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So here's a comment. It says, it says this is from
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somebody with a funny username. He says they certainly don't
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care about the health of the mother who can still get an
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abortion even with a ban, albeit a less safer one, or if the
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mother's life is in danger in childbirth.
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So first of all, if a mother's, let's start with childbirth, if
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a mother's life is in danger in childbirth, you don't have to
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kill the child. You deliver the child as quickly
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and as safely as you can, but you don't go in and 1st give the
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child a lethal injection to make it die in utero.
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Or you don't chop up the child with forceps, ripping it piece
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from limb, from torso to destroy that child.
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You try to deliver the child, you try to do an emergency
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delivery. And in some cases, you might
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have to induce labor early, sometimes sometimes even
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tragically earlier than the baby can survive outside the womb.
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That is not an abortion. Every abortion procedure is
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designed to kill the child before birth, before he or she
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has left his or her mother's body.
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That's an abortion procedure. Anything else is not an abortion
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procedure, and the intent of any pro-life obstetrician,
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gynecologist, any pro-life midwife or nurse is to try to
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save both, try to care for both. That's how medicine used to be
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before legalized abortion. The Hippocratic Oath, which is
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still taken to medical schools, used to include a prohibition on
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any direct harm to a baby in the womb, any cause of miscarriage,
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purposely done by a physician. It would prohibit that.
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We need to go back to that day because the reality is directly
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destroying the baby, Directly targeting the baby's body for
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destruction is never a medical treatment.
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I want to use a couple examples here.
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First of all, an ectopic, ectopic pregnancy.
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This is often used as justification for abortion.
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The reality is removing an ectopic pregnancy, which is when
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the baby and very early on in the pregnancy finds its home
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instead of in the uterus. It finds its home either in the
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fallopian tubes or sometimes in somewhere else in the woman's
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abdomen, abdomen, so not where the baby belongs.
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And in those situations, the baby, it's almost always fatal
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for the baby. It's pretty much always fatal
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for the mother. That's a hostile environment for
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the baby in that situation. What's often done, and this is
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not an abortion procedure, is the part of the fallopian tube
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where the baby is located, where the baby can't grow, which could
23:35
burst and cause internal bleeding and kill the mother, is
23:38
removed with the baby intact. The point there is not to kill
23:42
the baby, although tragically, the baby will die.
23:44
The baby will die until we have better medical technology to
23:47
find a way to save that baby's life.
23:48
But we haven't developed it yet, maybe because we're too busy
23:51
aborting everybody. But in that situation, the goal
23:54
is not to kill the baby. The goal tragically is to, the
23:58
goal is to to protect the mother.
24:00
And we'd like to be able to save the baby.
24:02
But in that situation, you can't.
24:04
So at least not yet, not with the current level of technology.
24:08
So that's not an abortion. No, that's not an abortion
24:10
procedure. Another situation would be if
24:14
there is a situation where the mother it has preeclampsia and
24:18
she is suffering and she's not sure if she can deliver the baby
24:24
properly and she could die. In that situation, an emergency
24:28
C-section is often used and sometimes it has to be done
24:31
before the baby is. It can survive and in that
24:34
situation you wait as much as you can, but tragically, if you
24:38
have to still try to deliver that baby, you still try to give
24:40
it a chance. And incredibly, because of
24:43
medical technology, the just the light, the viability line when a
24:47
baby can survive outside the womb with medical help is
24:51
getting further and further pushed back.
24:53
The latest I believe is 22 weeks.
24:55
So basically halfway through a pregnancy, that baby can
24:58
survive. International headlines recently
25:00
were celebrating a baby from San Diego, this little girl who was
25:04
born the size less than the size of an apple, and they were
25:07
thought she would die. And by the way, she was
25:09
delivered via C-section. And the reason she was was
25:12
because of health complication that the mother had.
25:14
But they didn't go in and try to kill the baby first, which is
25:17
what an abortion procedure does. They didn't try to inject the
25:20
baby with digoxin, which is basically a chemical that would
25:24
give her her him cardiac arrest. They didn't RIP the baby apart
25:28
with forceps. No, they they did AC section and
25:31
tried to let the baby live. And remarkably, this little girl
25:35
was a fighter and she lived. And now there's international
25:37
headlines celebrating her life. She's five months months old and
25:41
has been released from the hospital with her didn't given
25:43
back to her family. So point here is abortion is not
25:48
a medical treatment and thousands there's over 1000
25:52
medical experts who have agreed with us in the Dublin
25:54
declaration where they signed on and they said this is the way it
25:57
is. But because our medical
25:59
community today is corrupted by abortion and the abortion
26:02
industry and the money behind it and the politics behind it,
26:05
doctors are now using the abortion procedure as a shortcut
26:09
to avoid caring and working to protect both the mother and the
26:15
baby. So abortion is not a medical
26:17
treatment. All right, next one.
26:20
So you probably have heard it said that we need abortions
26:24
because the child will have serious disabilities.
26:29
And with this one, I want to quote actually CNN commentator
26:34
who is named Allison Kamaroda. She's a host on CNN and you
26:39
know, CNN wonderfully pro-life Network.
26:42
I'm kidding. CNN is incredibly pro abortion
26:45
network. I don't know that they have any
26:47
hosts on CNN like the main channel that are pro-life.
26:52
They almost, they rarely have pro-life guests once in a while
26:55
to have someone like Rick Santorum.
26:56
Thank you, Rick. I'm actually going to talk about
26:58
him in a minute. I've been on CNNA handful of
27:00
times. We're always available CNN if
27:03
you ever want to have somebody with an alternate point of view.
27:06
Occasionally I get in Twitter battles with CNN hosts about the
27:10
issue of abortion. They like to tweet back at me
27:12
with them, but reality is they often don't.
27:15
They actually don't want to have pro-life guests on their show.
27:18
So Allison Kamarota, ACNN host, said she's grilling the attorney
27:25
general of Indiana because he is trying to fight the 7th Circuit
27:31
Court of Appeals to for the right of Indiana to have a law
27:35
that they passed and signed. Then Governor Mike Pence signed
27:38
into law. Indiana had a law that would
27:41
have prohibited abortions that would be discriminatory.
27:44
So abortions for the cases of the sex of the baby if it's a
27:48
girl or boy, abortions in cases of the race of the baby killing
27:52
the baby because it's the wrong race, or abortions in the case
27:54
of disability, discriminating against a baby because of their
27:58
disability. So anyways, the attorney general
28:01
of Indiana is on the CNN show with Alyssa Camarota, and he's
28:05
arguing with her, trying to respond to her questions about
28:08
why this was a good law. And she's, of course, against
28:12
the law because she loves being in support of abortion.
28:16
So this is what she says. Camarota from CNN says what I
28:20
want to focus on is what I want to focus on is where Indiana had
28:24
tried to block women from getting abortions if it were
28:26
based on a disability. I'm just curious about that one.
28:30
Why would you want a family to have a child with a severe
28:35
disability? So she even calls it a child.
28:39
Interesting, She said. Why would you want a family to
28:42
have a child with a severe disability?
28:44
First of all, listen, Camerota, I don't think anybody wants a
28:48
child to endure a severe disability.
28:51
Nobody wants anybody to have a disability, but the reality is
28:55
some people have disabilities. So then what?
28:58
Do we kill them? Do we say that they are less
29:01
than and they should be destroyed before their first
29:04
breath? No, that is the most violent and
29:08
extreme form of discrimination and is not just.
29:12
When I was in high school, I had the privilege of volunteering to
29:17
hang out and to take care of a little boy.
29:19
I will call him Jacob because I don't want to use his his real
29:23
name, but this young boy who had severe cerebral palsy.
29:27
So he was very intellectually and developmentally challenged.
29:32
And this little boy was a joy. I could tell that he was living
29:38
his life to the fullest as he was able to.
29:41
And it was a privilege for me to spend time with him and to hang
29:45
out with him and to try to play with him.
29:47
And never in a million years would I have thought it would
29:50
have been a cruel thought that he shouldn't exist, that he
29:53
didn't have dignity, that he, his life wasn't worth it.
29:56
And I knew from the his family that their family that it was
29:59
challenging, but that they were blessed with the honor of caring
30:03
for someone like Jacob. And I say that because children
30:07
with disabilities, for as long as they're with us, some of them
30:10
have very short lifespan. Some of them can live just as
30:12
long as us. And there's a varying degree of
30:13
disability. Reality is everybody has some
30:15
kind of disability, right? We all struggle with some
30:18
imperfection that makes us less able maybe than the next person.
30:22
But some, of course, have it more extreme than others.
30:25
And in that situation, whether they're with us for a short time
30:28
or a long time, they have value. They have the imprint of God in
30:33
them just like you and I. They have human dignity just
30:36
like you and I. And they do not deserve death
30:39
because of their disability. And death is not what's
30:42
compassionate. If death became what's
30:45
compassionate for human suffering, then we should
30:47
celebrate every suicide. If death was what was
30:50
compassionate for human suffering, then we should create
30:53
government programs to literally eradicate those that suffer.
30:56
But it's not death is not what's compassionate for the suffering.
31:00
Actually, what's compassionate for the suffering is to come
31:03
alongside to suffer with to celebrate the good in that
31:08
person. That innate good to try to care,
31:11
to try to to try to identify with.
31:15
The solution is never to kill. And that's here what Alyssa
31:18
Camerota is saying. I mentioned Rick Santorum
31:21
earlier. I I'm good acquaintances with
31:24
one of his daughters and she is no longer a Santorum but has a
31:29
different last name. But anyway, she posted recently
31:31
on Facebook about this because she was so disturbed to see so
31:34
many people commenting about how babies with disabilities should
31:37
be killed because her little sister has a severe disability
31:40
and her and her name is Bella. So actually I think the
31:44
Santorums have written a book about Bella's life and she's
31:46
lived far longer than they said she would live.
31:48
This beautiful little girl. I think she had her first
31:51
communion recently. But Bella is a beautiful.
31:54
Bella is like her name, beautiful.
31:56
And this friend of mine, one of Rick's daughters, was just
32:00
saying how she is so grateful for the life of her sister and
32:03
how dare he they. And how heartbreaking when other
32:06
people talk down about those with disabilities.
32:10
One other quick thing to say here as well.
32:12
Part of this argument is that, well, the baby might die soon
32:15
after birth, and so therefore we should kill that baby before
32:17
birth. Two things.
32:18
First of all, killing that baby before birth is not in any way
32:22
whatsoever, in any shape, way, shape or form, compassionate
32:27
killing that baby before birth. I already explained why death is
32:29
not the answer, but killing that baby before birth is a violent,
32:33
heinous, torturous act. I dare anybody who supports
32:38
killing babies before birth who are disabled to actually look at
32:42
how they are killed, to actually look at the extreme pain that
32:46
these babies endure because they are literally pierced with
32:48
needles, injected poisons into their heart or their brain.
32:53
And they are, they die. Sometimes it takes even up to
32:56
hours for them to die or they're torn apart limb from torso piece
33:01
by piece into the most torturous death.
33:03
And many of these babies are older.
33:05
These babies are fully pain capable.
33:06
They're they're old enough to survive outside the womb.
33:09
So what a horrific. We don't even treat animals that
33:11
way. We don't even treat dogs.
33:13
We put to sleep that way. And yet we're literally doing
33:16
that to babies. The second thing there is
33:18
though, these children, they deserve the dignity if they're
33:22
going to die and we're all going to die, we all die at some point
33:25
or another. I could die tomorrow.
33:26
We all are going to die. But these babies who have a
33:29
terminal illness or a terminal diagnosis, they deserve to die
33:33
in the loving arms of someone who cares for them of, of
33:37
ideally their mother, their father.
33:39
They deserve that dignity to be held, to be told that they let,
33:43
even if they're just with us for 1/2 an hour or an hour.
33:46
They deserve a death that is 1 where they're surrounded by
33:49
those that love them, not the death at the hands of an
33:52
abortionist. All right, next one, you
33:56
probably heard this one. Safe abortion.
33:58
We need abortions because if we don't have them, they will be
34:03
back alley abortions and all these women will have them
34:06
anyways and they are going to die.
34:09
All right, so first of all, comment on this that I've heard.
34:12
I actually read one just before. They don't care about the
34:15
mother's health because she'll still get an abortion even with
34:18
the ban. Here's another one until a woman
34:22
dies from back alley abortions. Glad you're so concerned about
34:25
Women's Health. Closing healthcare facilities
34:28
won't stop abortion. It will stop safe abortions.
34:31
Have at it. My body, my choice.
34:33
Sit down. All right, well, I am sitting
34:35
down and I'm going to respond, although I kind of feel like
34:38
standing up because I've been sitting down too long.
34:40
But anyways, I'm going to respond.
34:42
So first of all, the research on this is clear.
34:45
There is no evidence that making abortion illegal is going to
34:49
mean the same amount of abortion, but they're all in the
34:51
back alley. In fact, the Washington Post,
34:55
which is not a very pro-life News Group, actually pro
34:58
abortion, just did a fact checker on the head of Planned
35:03
Parenthood, Leanna Wen, saying that they would give her four
35:07
Pinocchios. Which means she's basically
35:10
lying when she said that there would be thousands of deaths
35:14
after abortion is made illegal because of back alley abortions.
35:19
And the Washington Post is saying there's no evidence of
35:20
this. This is not what happened before
35:22
Roe V Wade. If anything, there were maybe
35:24
hundreds. It's even hard to detect how
35:26
many then, but it's not in the thousands.
35:30
The reality is in countries where abortion is banned, people
35:35
have less abortions. The studies and the research has
35:38
been done on this. Live Action has been reporting
35:41
on this. In countries where abortion is
35:43
almost completely banned, except for very rare cases, the
35:47
abortion rate is 5%. The abortion rate in countries
35:53
where abortion is legalized and where there is abortion on
35:57
demand 5% And it makes sense because after Roe V Wade,
36:01
abortion rate skyrocketed in the United States.
36:05
So the reality is when abortion is made unavailable, when all of
36:10
a sudden society changes and says, look, abortion is not a
36:13
solution. If you are facing financial
36:16
insecurities or your boyfriend is threatening you or you are
36:21
feeling afraid there's better options, abortion is not the
36:25
answer. And we as a society focus on
36:28
those other options instead of saying your body, your choice,
36:32
abortion is the way to go. That is the key here.
36:37
The reality is very few women are going to, and this is what
36:41
the research indicates are going to the back alley.
36:45
And the reality is today, there are already back alleys in
36:48
America. They're just legal.
36:51
For example, Kermit Gosnell, you may have heard of this
36:54
abortionist from Philadelphia who's now a convicted murder,
36:57
which is very rare for an abortionist.
36:59
All of them should be convicted for murder, but this one is one
37:01
of the only ones. He was running basically a back
37:04
alley, front alley legal abortion facility where he had
37:09
blood on the walls, unsafe standards.
37:13
Women actually died in his facility because of poorly
37:16
trained staff. He had babies, body parts in his
37:20
refrigerator left to rot. I mean really horrific
37:23
conditions and women died as well as of course babies.
37:27
And he was convicted of murder because he actually killed
37:29
babies after they were born alive after failed abortion,
37:33
abortion attempts, which is absolutely horrific.
37:35
And another thing that happens in some abortion clinics across
37:38
the country, Many Planned Parenthoods have had really bad
37:42
health and safety reports, even though they're legal.
37:45
For example, the Planned Parenthood, that's the only
37:48
remaining one in Missouri. You may have heard the news.
37:50
It's going to shut down and there'll be no more abortion
37:52
clinics in Missouri. How terrible, How great.
37:54
Actually, Missouri will be safer for women and children.
37:57
But Planned Parenthood, the reason that they were going to
37:59
be shut down is because they failed to comply with multiple
38:03
safety and health standards step by the set by the state health
38:07
department and that included properly disposing of needles.
38:11
They were double using or reusing one time use
38:15
injectables. They were not training their
38:18
staff on how to deal with infection.
38:20
They were not complying with health investigators when they
38:24
were trying to actually interview the doctors that they
38:27
used at the facility. So the reality is this idea that
38:32
it's going to be back alley, well, already abortionists are
38:35
running chop shops, which are always unsafe for babies,
38:38
whether they're front alley and legal or back alley and illegal.
38:41
And the reality is when the laws change, it helps change cultural
38:47
opinion and it helps influence behavior.
38:50
Before seat belt laws passed, a lot of people didn't wear
38:53
seatbelts. Now that seat belt laws have
38:55
passed, most people wear seatbelts.
38:58
Before smoking prohibitions existed, a lot more people
39:02
smoked. After smoking prohibitions
39:05
existed, or they were prevented in certain parts, inside homes
39:10
or in hospitals, less people smoke.
39:13
Laws impact behavior, and they absolutely will.
39:16
For the better. For the sake of these children
39:18
and for the sake of what's best for women, girls and families
39:22
when abortion is made illegal. All right, we've got one more to
39:27
go. This one is kind of, in some
39:31
ways, I don't know, almost one of the most ironic ones I hear.
39:36
This is a comment of this one about why men aren't allowed to
39:39
speak. This is from a comment on social
39:42
media, from Facebook. I still don't understand how men
39:46
actually think that they can impose their opinions when it
39:49
comes to abortion. This has nothing to do with you.
39:51
So shut up. All right, First of all, if
39:54
you're a guy who's listening, thank you.
39:56
If you haven't shut up about abortion, thank you.
39:59
If you have spoken out, we need the voice of men.
40:02
All right, why? First of all, I, I, I do need to
40:06
point out it's been kind of funny, maybe sad funny, if
40:10
that's the thing. It's been sad, funny to see.
40:13
How all these celebrities online like on Twitter and these
40:19
commentators and feminists have said, men, where are you speak
40:23
out now to defend women's rights to an abortion?
40:28
And those same people might have been saying six months ago or a
40:30
year or six years ago, men have no stay in this discussion, no
40:34
uterus, no opinion. So it's kind of ironic the other
40:38
saying, men say you're pro abortion because every single
40:42
child that's in danger of an abortion has a father.
40:46
Every single child has a father before birth and after and
40:52
where's that father? We need men.
40:55
We need men to speak out because they are fathers.
40:58
We need men to speak out because they are defenders.
41:01
I think men are protectors. I think men have a tremendous
41:04
role in the pro-life movement. Half of the children who are
41:07
aborted are little boys. So this is not a women's issue.
41:12
This is a human rights issue. This is a human issue.
41:16
And we need everybody to speak up.
41:18
Nobody is disqualified. Everybody's voice counts.
41:22
If I just said, you know, if it was a situation like murder, if
41:27
you haven't experienced murder, you're not allowed to speak out
41:30
against it. I mean, obviously that's
41:32
ridiculous. You'd be dead.
41:33
Or if you haven't experienced X, you're not allowed to speak out
41:38
against it. I mean, imagine during the time
41:40
of slavery, if you don't own slaves or if you can't own a
41:43
slave, you have no right to speak out against it.
41:45
How ridiculous. It is our duty, I think, and our
41:49
responsibility for all of us to use our voice, to use our
41:53
privilege, to use the freedom and the life, the lives that
41:56
we've been given to speak out. And that's why the pro-life
41:59
movement is growing and there's so many people in it and it's so
42:01
diverse. Men, women, young people, all
42:04
different ages, all different backgrounds.
42:06
A lot of Democrats who feel like they're completely abandoned by
42:08
their party. Obviously a ton of Republicans,
42:10
independents, libertarians, people of all different faith
42:13
backgrounds, a lot of people of faith, a lot of Christians and
42:16
Catholics, evangelicals, But people from all different
42:18
backgrounds, people who are non religious people are joining the
42:21
movement because they see this is a human rights issue.
42:25
So if you're a man and you've been told to shut up, don't
42:29
listen. We need your voice.
42:31
We need you to speak. All right?
42:34
I hope that all of these this run through these six things.
42:38
So we just ran through the baby will have a terrible life in
42:41
foster care. We talked about rape and incest.
42:43
The mother's life is in danger. We talked about what about
42:46
disability? We talked about safe abortions
42:49
versus back alley. And then we talked about men
42:52
shouldn't be allowed to speak. I hope running through this was
42:54
useful. I am sure you face some of these
42:57
comments or others. Let me know if there are other
42:59
ones you face. I would love to hear.
43:01
You can always e-mail me at thoughts@lilaroseshow.com or you
43:06
can Instagram message me, direct message me online or contact of
43:10
course, live action if I'm slow to respond to you.
43:13
Live Actions team when it comes to pro-life issues is really
43:16
good and quick, but I hope it's helpful.
43:19
We need everybody in this fight. This battle is not going away.
43:23
The controversy and the tension that we're seeing is not a
43:28
result of something new. It's a result of something old
43:32
being brought to the surface. And this is an opportunity to
43:36
help reshape our future so that we can change the course of this
43:41
country. I firmly believe it.
43:43
And I think what's happening politically in these states,
43:46
even as these pro abortion states are trying to fight back,
43:49
I mean, it's this incredible battle.
43:51
I think now is a time when more than ever that we can together
43:54
speak out. So thank you for listening.
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