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End Of Iran's Civilization PAUSED—Why, What It Means & What's Next · The Ben Ferguson Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome in is verdict with Ted Cruz, Ben Ferguson with you.
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  Speaker 1: It's so nice to have you with us. And Senator
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  Speaker 1: we are doing this show and honestly, as we were
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  Speaker 1: show prepping, we didn't know what was going to happen.
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  Speaker 1: And now it looks like the Straight of horn Moves
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  Speaker 1: is going to be reopen. After Trump announced a two
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  Speaker 1: week double sided ceasefire.
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  Speaker 2: Well, the end of Iranian civilization that was scheduled to
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  Speaker 2: happen at eight pm Tuesday night, East coast time has
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  Speaker 2: apparently been paused. It has been paused for two weeks.
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  Speaker 2: President Trump announced a two week ceasefire.
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  Speaker 3: He did so.
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  Speaker 2: After the intervention of the government of Pakistan asking to
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  Speaker 2: negotiate peace between Iran and the United States. Iran has
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  Speaker 2: stated they intend to open the Straight of Hormus. But
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  Speaker 2: at the same time as we talk, right now, this
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  Speaker 2: is late Tuesday night, Iranian missiles are still flying in
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  Speaker 2: the air. We're gonna break down what we know, what's
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  Speaker 2: happened so far, and what's likely to happen next.
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  Speaker 1: so let's talk about the big news. Here and, look
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  Speaker 1: The president made it very clear over The easter weekend
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  Speaker 1: there was a hardcore deadline and that deadline was closing in.
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  Speaker 1: Quickly it was going to Be tuesday. Night The, PRESIDENT
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  Speaker 1: i said On Pierre's morgan show, today he's not going to,
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  Speaker 1: Flinch like you need to listen to. Him it's very
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  Speaker 1: clear he's not going to. Flinch and it was also
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  Speaker 1: very clear when he was demanding if you want to
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  Speaker 1: get a deal, done you got to open up the
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  Speaker 1: straight and hoom. Moves that is exactly now What iran is.
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  Speaker 1: Saying they're going to do at least for hopefully the
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  Speaker 1: next two weeks while they try to figure this thing.
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  Speaker 1: Out but that's the reason why The president said pause
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  Speaker 1: to major military.
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  Speaker 2: Action, WELL i got to, Say, ben you AND i
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  Speaker 2: also said that exact same thing On monday's. Verdict and
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  Speaker 2: So i'm just sitting here, wondering, Why, ben do you hurt?
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  Speaker 2: Me why do you bring Up Piers?
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  Speaker 3: Morgan like why Because I'm commy's over.
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  Speaker 1: THERE i was yelling At Dave, smith the crazy guy
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  Speaker 1: that thinks because a terrorist organization.
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  Speaker 2: Don't argue with crazy. People it's like wrestling with. Pigs
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  Speaker 2: you get covered in mud and the pig enjoys.
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  Speaker 3: It that's that's that's that's.
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  Speaker 1: True you would have been proud though it was a
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  Speaker 1: one on one AND i WILL i say very, KINDLY
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  Speaker 1: i whooped his ABLESS I i just it was a beat,
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  Speaker 1: down my.
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  Speaker 2: Friend are you familiar with THE t SHIRT i refuse
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  Speaker 2: to have a battle of wits with an unarmed. Band? Yes,
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  Speaker 2: Yes so Look monday's, podcast we did a deep dive
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  Speaker 2: on this and The president's. Threat President trump's, THREAT i
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  Speaker 2: believe was not a. Bluff he was not kidding and
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  Speaker 2: at eight pm he was prepared to Unleash Holy hell
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  Speaker 2: and to take out power plants across the nation Of
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  Speaker 2: iran and take out bridges across the nation Of. Iran
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  Speaker 2: and what we talked about was the big open question
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  Speaker 2: was does THE I tola? Care to The malas? Care
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  Speaker 2: Are are they perfectly happy seeing their economy go literally
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  Speaker 2: back into the dark, ages see the lights go, out
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  Speaker 2: go back to having candles and be by fire pits
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  Speaker 2: because there's no electricity in the. Country, well here's What
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  Speaker 2: President trump put out On Trump's social On, tuesday based
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  Speaker 2: on conversations With Prime Minister Shabbaz sharif And Field marshal
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  Speaker 2: Asim munir Of pakistan and wherein they requested THAT i
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  Speaker 2: hold off the destructive force being sent tonight To iran
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  Speaker 2: and subject to The Islamic republic Of iran's agreeing to
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  Speaker 2: the all, caps complete immediate and safe opening of The
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  Speaker 2: strait Of. HORMUZ i agree to suspend the bombing and
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  Speaker 2: attack Of iran for a period of two. Weeks this
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  Speaker 2: will be a double sided cease fire ceasefires all. Caps
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  Speaker 2: the reason for doing so is that we have already
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  Speaker 2: met and exceeded all military objectives and are very far
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  Speaker 2: along with a definitive agreement concerning the long term peace
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  Speaker 2: With iran and peace in The Middle. East we've received
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  Speaker 2: a ten point proposal From iran and believe it is
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  Speaker 2: a workable basis on which to. Negotiate almost all of
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  Speaker 2: the various points of past contention have been agreed to
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  Speaker 2: between The United states And, iran but a two week
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  Speaker 2: period will allow the agreement to be finalized and. Consummated
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  Speaker 2: on behalf of The United states Of. America As president
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  Speaker 2: and also representing the countries of The Middle, east it
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  Speaker 2: is an honor to have this long term problem close to.
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  Speaker 2: Resolution thank you for your attention to this, Matter President DONALD. J. Trump,
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  Speaker 2: now in, Response iran put out a official, statement and
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  Speaker 2: here's the response Of. Iran, tehran Seven april twenty twenty,
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  Speaker 2: six on behalf of The Islamic republic Of. IRAN i
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  Speaker 2: expressed gratitude depreciation for my dear, brothers The Prime minister
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  Speaker 2: Of Pakistan sharif and The Field marshall mooneir for their
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  Speaker 2: tireless efforts to end the war in the. Region in
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  Speaker 2: response to the brotherly request Of Prime Minister. Sharif it
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  Speaker 2: is tweet and considering the request by THE us for
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  Speaker 2: negotiations based on its fifteen point proposal as well as
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  Speaker 2: an announcement BY potus about acceptance of the general framework
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  Speaker 2: Of iran's ten point proposal as a basis for, NEGOTIATIONS
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  Speaker 2: i hereby, declare on behalf Of Iran's Supreme National Security,
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  Speaker 2: council if attacks Against iran are, halted are powerful armed,
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  Speaker 2: forces each capitalized will cease their defensive operations for a
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  Speaker 2: period of two. Weeks safe passage Through strait Of hormuse
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  Speaker 2: will be possible via coordination With iran's armed forces and
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  Speaker 2: with due consideration of technical. Limitations Sayed ABBAS O, Agachi
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  Speaker 2: minister Of Foreign, Affairs Islamic republic Of. Iran, now as
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  Speaker 2: you AND i are sitting, here it is a few
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  Speaker 2: minutes before Midnight tuesday. Night we don't know what's going to.
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  Speaker 2: Happen we do know there are reports this evening Of
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  Speaker 2: iranian ballistic missiles raining down On israel right, Now so it,
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  Speaker 2: appears as of right, now the two way ceasefire is
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  Speaker 2: not being honored By. Iran we don't know what will
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  Speaker 2: happen On, wednesday On, thursday On. FRIDAY i will say
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  Speaker 2: If iran can continues offensive attacks on its, NEIGHBORS i
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  Speaker 2: am skeptical the two week pause will.
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  Speaker 1: Hold let me ask you a question about the wording,
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  Speaker 1: there BECAUSE i think this is very interesting AND i
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  Speaker 1: want your take on.
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  Speaker 3: It two way.
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  Speaker 1: Ceasefire there was several people THAT i talked to In
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  Speaker 1: israel that, said the reason why that verbiage may have
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  Speaker 1: been used is to make it clear this was just
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  Speaker 1: a ceasefire between THE us And. Iran this did not
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  Speaker 1: Include Israel. Iran that's why it was two, way not three,
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  Speaker 1: way right trilateral you, know agreement, here and it looked Like.
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  Speaker 1: Israel it also basically said like we're still gonna probably
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  Speaker 1: be hitting targets over the next two weeks as. Well
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  Speaker 1: is that part of the reason why The president said
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  Speaker 1: it that? Way do you think So.
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna give you my technical and precise. ANSWER i
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  Speaker 2: got no. IDEA i don't.
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  Speaker 3: Know MIGHT i love doing this. Show if we don't know,
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  Speaker 3: something we will tell. You i'm not gonna hide.
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  Speaker 2: It, Look i'm reading the same tweet you. Are the
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  Speaker 2: tweet says this will be a double sided. Ceasefire look
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  Speaker 2: my suspicion is that was meant to Include. Israel BUT
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  Speaker 2: i don't know.
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  Speaker 1: That, OKAY i, SEE i read it oppositely THAT i
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  Speaker 1: thought it was like a cheeky way of, Saying, hey
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  Speaker 1: you guys In, israel y'all got to figure out your own.
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  Speaker 1: Thing and for the next two, weeks this is just,
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  Speaker 1: us this is, me this is, us, aramn and that
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  Speaker 1: gives The israel the freedom to do what they need
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  Speaker 1: to continue to do in their.
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  Speaker 2: Opinion oh, look MAYBE i don't. KNOW i have not
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  Speaker 2: seen any reports in the media or ON x of
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  Speaker 2: additional attacks On iran. Tonight they may be. HAPPENING i
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  Speaker 2: don't know That israel is not attacking a, randomnight BUT
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  Speaker 2: i have not seen any reports if that's. Happening What
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  Speaker 2: i've seen is reports Of iran's attacks going, out and you,
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  Speaker 2: know for, example The New York times always a questionable
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  Speaker 2: source retired as. Follows by the, way twenty eight minutes.
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  Speaker 2: Ago The New York Times, okay you ask AND i,
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  Speaker 2: answer albeit with weak. Sourcing The New York times updated
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  Speaker 2: twenty eight minutes. Ago Iran War live UPDATES Us iran
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  Speaker 2: And israel agree to cease.
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  Speaker 3: Fire, now, okay here you.
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  Speaker 2: Go the deal came shortly Before President trump's deadline For
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  Speaker 2: iran to reopen The straight Of Horne moser face. Devastation
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  Speaker 2: israel said the ceasefire did not Include. Lebanon now that seems.
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  Speaker 2: Fair lebanon With. Hesbela that's Not, iran Although hesbela is
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  Speaker 2: An iranian. Proxy but that's. Fair here's what The New
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  Speaker 2: York times. Reported and by the, WAY i don't what this.
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  Speaker 2: IS i literally just found it on my phone And
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  Speaker 2: i'm reading, it so we'll find out what it. Says
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  Speaker 2: here's the. Latest The United states In iran reached an
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  Speaker 2: eleventh hour ceasefire deal On tuesday, evening hours After President
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  Speaker 2: trump threatened to start wiping Out iran's whole civilization if
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  Speaker 2: it did not allow commercial shipping to pass safely through
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  Speaker 2: The strait Of. Hormuse Mister trump announced the. Agreement pakistan
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  Speaker 2: proposed each side observer a two week. Ceasefire it will
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  Speaker 2: take months for global jet fuel supplies to return to.
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  Speaker 2: Normal now here's another. Aspect oil prices plunge and stocks
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  Speaker 2: surge after the ceasefire. Deal and here's What iran Or.
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  Speaker 2: Iran The New York times. Posted oil prices tumbled and
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  Speaker 2: stocks In asia surged On tuesday as investors breathed a
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  Speaker 2: sigh of relief after The United states In iran reached
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  Speaker 2: a last minute ceasefire, agreement temporarily avoiding a worst case
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  Speaker 2: Scenario President trump following through on his pledge to wipe
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  Speaker 2: Out iran the. Seat why is that a worst case?
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  Speaker 2: SCENARIO i guess if you're The eyetola to worst case,
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  Speaker 2: Scenario i'm not. Sure For The New York, times you
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  Speaker 2: know it would be truly horrific if The islamist regime
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  Speaker 2: In iran that wants to Murder, americans it is Murdering
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  Speaker 2: americans if if they suffered yet another. Loss that's The
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  Speaker 2: New York.
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  Speaker 3: Times let me keep.
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  Speaker 2: Reading the ceasefire deal came ninety minutes for a deadline
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  Speaker 2: set by Mister. Trump israel Supports President trump's decision to
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  Speaker 2: stop Attacking iran for two weeks subject to the immediate
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  Speaker 2: reopening straight Of horrmuves and the cessation Of iran tacks
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  Speaker 2: against The United, States israel and other countries in the.
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  Speaker 2: Region Officer Prime Minister Benjamin, netnia who said in a,
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  Speaker 2: statement so we don't know right, now but, listen if
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  Speaker 2: it gets the straight Of hormves, opened that's. Positive, yes
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  Speaker 2: that is a step in the right. DIRECTION i will
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  Speaker 2: say The iranian, military What President trump said in his
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  Speaker 2: Truth social is exactly. Right many of the military objectives
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  Speaker 2: have been. Accomplished the military has been, degraded almost out of.
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  Speaker 2: Existence it's one of the reasons The iranian statement about you,
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  Speaker 2: know our are very powerful military will stop. Striking, yeah
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  Speaker 2: there's virtually no military. Left it's like four guys with
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  Speaker 2: a slingshot sitting on the back of a. Camel so
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  Speaker 2: so it's, uh but but they're very powerful. Military what
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  Speaker 2: they do have is some minds and some speedboats with
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  Speaker 2: dynamites that have the potential of sinking potentially oil tankers
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  Speaker 2: in the straight of Hor. Moves and so they are having.
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  Speaker 2: Leverage by the, way.
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  Speaker 1: The way it was ascribed to me by a guy
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  Speaker 1: in the, military when he was trying to explain to,
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  Speaker 1: me like, again it's coming from a military, mind sat he, Said,
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  Speaker 1: ben this is What americans need to, understand he, said
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  Speaker 1: and please explain this wherever you. Can we've taken out
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  Speaker 1: them as a. Military they now have what he described
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  Speaker 1: as terrorist. WEAPONRY a terrorist weaponry is completely different than military.
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  Speaker 1: Weaponry military weaponry is like you, know radar and and
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  Speaker 1: ballistic missiles and airplanes that can have. Dogfights he. Said
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  Speaker 1: terrorists can do things with, fertilizer they can do things
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  Speaker 1: with with. Dynamite they can do things that are basic
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  Speaker 1: as you just described, it like blowing a hole in
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  Speaker 1: the side of an old tanker and having a massive you,
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  Speaker 1: know economic as well as environmental issue in the sort
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  Speaker 1: of horror. Moves and so the point he was making
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  Speaker 1: was this idea THAT i mean he went back To
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  Speaker 1: Al kada and isis you can do a lot of
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  Speaker 1: damage with very basic. Things car bombs are great, example with, fertilizer,
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  Speaker 1: ammonia you, know the very basics as he described. It he,
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  Speaker 1: said the good news is we've decimated.
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  Speaker 3: The military In.
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  Speaker 1: Iran we have not decimated he described it the terrorists
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  Speaker 1: aspect Of iran because all you need is a couple
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  Speaker 1: crazy guys with very little, resources and you can do
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  Speaker 1: something on a terrorist.
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  Speaker 3: Scale and we've seen that all over the.
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  Speaker 2: WORLD i think that's exactly. Right and understand the strain
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  Speaker 2: Up Horn moves is Not iran's to. Control that is
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  Speaker 2: not part Of. Iran that is international. Waters it just
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  Speaker 2: happens to be nearby To. Iran and the fact that
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  Speaker 2: they're willing to act as.
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  Speaker 1: Terrorists explain to everybody how the straight up from is
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  Speaker 1: supposed to. WORK i think a lot of people don't
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  Speaker 1: understand the the international aspect of. THIS i think THERE'S
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  Speaker 1: i think also the media has been really portraying almost like,
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  Speaker 1: well it's kind of a rans, anyway and they let
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  Speaker 1: us use.
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  Speaker 3: It that is a. Lie can you explain that for?
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  Speaker 1: People real?
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  Speaker 2: Quick, look at the end of the, day it doesn't
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  Speaker 2: operate materially differently than say The Atlantic ocean Or Pacific.
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  Speaker 2: Ocean if if you're sailing From New York city To,
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  Speaker 2: london you're going to cross The, atlantic and you know,
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  Speaker 2: what there is a possibility halfway across The atlantic of.
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  Speaker 2: Piracy someone someone out on The. Atlantic you could be
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  Speaker 2: in an ocean, liner could pilot a ship into your
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  Speaker 2: into your, boat and or and have dynamite and explode
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  Speaker 2: and sink. It.
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  Speaker 3: Uh.
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  Speaker 2: Now and by the, way piracy used to be a frequent.
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  Speaker 2: PERIL i mean that was not an. Unusual there's a
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  Speaker 2: great series That i've watched On. Netflix you ever Watched Black? Sales?
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  Speaker 3: No, Oh Black?
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  Speaker 1: Sales W why have you been holding out of me
• 14:56
  Speaker 1: for a guy that tells you that all these other
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: movies they gotta watch You you you have this. One
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  Speaker 1: this actually seems like ONE i want to watch.
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  Speaker 3: Now.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah so it's actually not a. Movie it's a series
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  Speaker 2: and it's like four seasons. Long. Uh and it's about,
• 15:08
  Speaker 2: Pirates Black. Sales it's about pirates in The, caribbean and
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  Speaker 2: So blackbeard is in, it and it's really well. DONE
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  Speaker 2: i watched the whole. Thing, Look i'm on airplanes all the,
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  Speaker 2: time so as you, KNOW i download lots of. Series
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: by the, Way, ben we have done a movie. Podcast
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  Speaker 2: we haven't done A netflix download. PODCAST i want to
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  Speaker 2: do that at some. Point maybe we'll do it for
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: holiday or. SOMETHING i think those BECAUSE i have a
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: lot of Series i've, downloaded But Black sales goes. Through
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  Speaker 2: there was a whole era where where if you're taking you,
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  Speaker 2: know cotton from uh from a plantation in The, south
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  Speaker 2: and you're going going to The, caribbean or you're going To,
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  Speaker 2: england you might encounter pirates who would come along with
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  Speaker 2: cannons and and boord you and protect potentially kill everyone on,
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  Speaker 2: board and steal.
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  Speaker 3: Your cargo and.
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  Speaker 2: Piratecy it's not entirely gone, away but it's mostly gone.
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  Speaker 2: Away and it's mostly gone away due to The United.
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  Speaker 2: States and one of the things that happened Post World
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  Speaker 2: war two is The United states took a responsibility of
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  Speaker 2: ensuring navigation of the open. Seas and it wasn't we
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  Speaker 2: didn't have to do, that but it produced more than
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  Speaker 2: a half century of global trade and commerce where people
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  Speaker 2: could you could put a shipping container from The United
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  Speaker 2: states To, england from The United states To, asia and
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  Speaker 2: the odds of it being robbed on the high seas
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  Speaker 2: were pretty. Low they weren't, zero but they were pretty.
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  Speaker 2: Low and it produced you, know when The Roman empire
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  Speaker 2: was at its, height the world saw something called The Pax,
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: romana The peace of The, romans because The Roman empire prevented. Threats,
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  Speaker 2: well we had for some time been going through what's
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  Speaker 2: called The Pax, americana which is the peace that The
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  Speaker 2: americans have brought by allowing global shipment and. Trade The
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  Speaker 2: straight Of forebuz is a much more constricted place because
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  Speaker 2: it's just it's going around where you don't have much,
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  Speaker 2: space and if you're going through The Suez, canal you
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  Speaker 2: got to pass through, there and it's a narrow, passage which, means,
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  Speaker 2: look If iran wanted to try to shut off transit
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  Speaker 2: across The Atlantic, ocean that's a really big body of
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  Speaker 2: water that's not easy to. Do The strait Of hormous
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  Speaker 2: is not that, big and so it is a natural
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: choke point where a terrorist can. Focus it's Interesting iran
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: is promising to open it, up so we'll see what that.
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: Means but there are also reports Of iran continuing the
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: fire ballistic, missile so we'll see if the ceasefire even
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: last twenty four. Hours every Missile iran, FIRES i think
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: decreases the chance of the ceasefire.
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: Maintaining, Yeah, no you're. RIGHT i want to ask you another.
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: QUESTION i got a lot of questions to ask you Tonight,
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: center because there are QUESTIONS i keep getting asked AND
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: i want your take on. THEM I alway was asked
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: this question By Peers morgan and he, Said, ben what
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: is what is your deaf and of success In? Iran
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: my answer, was, LOOK i think the media has changed
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: it to the only thing that is acceptable to not
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: be considered a failure is if the regime falls and
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: there's this like, massive you, know moment In iran where
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: the people. WIN i, said my definition of success is
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: taking away the threat Of iran being a nuclear power
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: and being able to kill innocent, men women and children And.
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: Americans that is my definite success NOW i bonus right
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: a moral victory above that would be if you truly
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: saw regime change and the fall of the leadership In.
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: Iran right, Now i'm not so obsessed with that. POINT
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: i think the people Of iran they got to decide for.
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: Themselves but for, me it was all about the nuclear
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: capabilities and making sure they could do no harm to
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: us and to innocent. People, ALSO i think in The
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: Middle east around the, world that Includes, israel what is
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: your definition of success? Here because the media is trying
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: to say a this is a. Quagmire quagmire by the,
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: way if you Ask, ai for, example they'll say it's
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: years into a war if it's stagnant or you're not making,
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: gains not four weeks, in five weeks in or six,
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: weeks and that's. Absurd but the media keeps going to
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: use the word we're in a quagmire. ALREADY i think
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: that's an absurd. Lie and now they're saying the only
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: way this could be a success For trump is the
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: WAY i described. It they describe, it which is the
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: regime falls and that's.
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: It, well, look there was a very interesting, story a
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: long story in The New York times today about the
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: inside decision making in The trump administration behind the decision
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: to go to war With, iran and it describes the
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: TikTok up to, it right up until the point On
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: Air force one On friday Where trump gave the go.
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: Order AND i was With President trump On Air Force
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: one at the time he gave the. ORDER i did
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: not know he had given that, order but he was
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: asking me and the others On Air force one what
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: we thought should he do, So and it turns out
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: on that flight is where he actually gave the go.
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: Order and it.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: Describes that there was a vigorous debate within the administration that. Jd,
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: vance The vice president was the most vocal opponent of Striking,
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: iran and there was a vigorous back and forth among the.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: Cabinet and it described four different steps of the military.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: Engagement number one decapitating The iranian, regime taking out The
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: iotola and the senior military. Leadership number two destroying their ballistic,
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: missiles their, drones their ability to wage. War number three
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: incentivizing The iranian people to rise up in, revolt and
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: number four seeing a new, government seeing regime change In.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: Iran and there was considerable debate the according to The,
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: times AND i got to, say just reading the, ACCOUNT
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: i don't know that it's exactly, accurate but it read
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: it ran in a way that was very. Plausible there
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: was considerable agreement that steps one and two were very,
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: accomplishable very, achievable and life achievable and fairly short. Order
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: and there was considerable debate about whether steps three and,
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: four a popular uprising and replacing the regime with another,
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: regime whether those were. ACHIEVABLE i can tell you what
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: The trump administration has. Articulated it has articulated its goal
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: was number. Two number two is what it's described as,
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: goal which is taking Out iran's ability to wage WAR.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: Yep and in particular it's described Look iran that there's no.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: Indication i've seen no evidence That iran had nuclear weapons
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: or was close to getting nuclear weapons that they were
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: trying last summer And President trump launched bunker busters and
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: took out their nuclear weapons research, facilities including infordoh in
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: the basement of a mountain that had devastating. Effect so
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: the reason this military attack was launched was not to
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: stop an, imminent imminent realization of.
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: Nuclear weapons tomorrow type of.
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: Thing, yeah the reason it was launched is they were
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: vigorously rapidly building ballistic missiles and, drones and they were
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: doing that because they wanted such a large arsenal that
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: If israel or The United states Attacked, iran they would
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: be able to inflict massive damage on their neighbors and
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: kill a lot of. People and The trump administration didn't
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: want to be in a position a year from now
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: when say they had launched their nuclear weapons research and development,
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: again but when the cost of intervening was so high
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: that thousands of people might. Die because they had so many,
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: missiles they could just carpet bomb their neighbors and kill
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: hundreds or even thousands of. People and so The trump administration, said,
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: look if they develop enough missiles and enough, drones they
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: would do that as essentially an umbrella to shield their
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: ability to then develop a nuclear. Weapon AND i Think
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: iran with a nuclear, weapon the odds are unacceptably high
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: they would use. It that was the major reason that
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: we launched this. Attack and what The trump administration articulated
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: is their objective was to take out the air, defenses
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: to take out The Air, force to take out The,
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: navy to take out the ballistic, missiles to take out the,
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: drones to take out the, launchers to take out the
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: drone manufacturing, capability to take out the missile manufacturing. Capability
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: we've done essentially all of. That the success has been. Extraordinary,
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: now the administration has by and large been very reluctant
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: to use the words regime. Change AND i understand. Why
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: regime change is associated With. Iraq it's associated with hundreds
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: of thousands of troops on the ground for years on.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: End it's associated with Escalating american casualties and. Fatalities And
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: President trump is not interested in that kind of military.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: Conflict the chances of that, HAPPENING i believe are. Zero
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: trump doesn't want to do, that and so regime change
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: people are really nervous to say that's the. Objective WHAT
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: i have said the objective should be is regime. Collapse
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: this regime a regime Of islamists who chant death To,
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: america who fund, terrorists who are Killing, americans and who
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: want to continue Killing. AMERICANS i think that is a
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: danger to The United. STATES i don't care who takes their.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: PLACE i don't care if it's the crown, prince the Shaw,
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: SAN i don't care if it's a military strong. MAN
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: i don't care if the democratically elected leader from the.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: People that's not my. Concern i'm not in the nation building.
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: Business my objective is not to Turn iran Into. Switzerland
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: that's up to the people Of. Iran if they want
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: a peaceful, society that's. GREAT i wish them all the,
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: well all the best at.
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: All but.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: It's not THE us military's job to do. That it
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: is THE us military's job to take out. Enemies. NOW
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: i do agree that seeing a regime of, tyrants particularly
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: a regime of tyrants willing to kill up to forty
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: thousand of their own, citizens seeing them fall is not
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: easy so the objective of regime collapse may prove really.
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: DIFFERENT i hope we keep at, it but opening The
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: strait Of hormuz is a really important tactical. Step and
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: by the, way if we end up with a government
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: that has a negotiated settlement where they stop funding terrorists
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: and they stop Killing americans and they stop trying to Kill,
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: americans that is a, huge huge. VICTORY i don't know
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: if we get, there but WHAT i Told President trump
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: that the day he ordered the attack is is this
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: regime has never been weaker than right, now and we
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: will regret. It we will regret it for years and
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: decades if we miss this, opportunity because there's very few
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: things on Planet earth that would Make america safer than
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: getting this murderous regime out of power so they could
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: no longer be able to Kill.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: Americans all, right let me ask you another question that's
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: gotten a lot of fodder, online AND i think it's
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: an important one to. Answer democrats and the media really
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: seem to be trying to figure out some, way even
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: if there's success with This iranian policy Of, trump that
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: they can stick it To Donald. Trump and now the
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: new thing over the last twenty four to forty eight
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: hour has Been Donald trump is advocating for committing war
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: crimes by blowing up bridges potentially In iran and power
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: plants In. Iran let's talk about the war crimes aspect
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: of this and deal with What americans need to know
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: about this new line by the, left because, THEY i,
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: mean they care more About Donald trump being in trouble
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: than actually taking out a murderer's regime In.
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: Iran that's.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: True AND i will say one of the sad. Things
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: it used to be the case for a long long
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: time that politics ended at the water's, edge in other,
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: words That republicans And democrats battle here at home over
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: all sorts of, issues but when it comes to military conflict,
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: abroad when it comes to Defending, america that the two
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: sides refrain from partisan. ATTACK i got to say that
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: is not the case. Anymore the Instant President trump launched this,
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: Attack democrats began savaging. Him you, know we had a
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: classified briefly short shortly after the beginning of this attack
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: where you had The secretary Of, State Secretary, Defense chairman
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: of The Joint, chiefs the head of THE, cia kind
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: of all the top national security apparatus in The trump,
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: administration and all one hundred senators attended that and they
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: were laying out what was. Happening and, Look i'm not
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: going to say anything that was said by the briefers
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: in the classified, briefing BUT i can tell, you other
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: Than John, fetterman who has been very positive on what
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: he said publicly about about the conflict With, iran every
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: Single democrat senator in the room was, highly highly. Skeptical
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: was attacking what, happened was opposing what. Happened was started
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: on day one with we are against standing up To,
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: iran AND i sat there and just kind of shook my.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: HEAD i was saddened by. That and so one of
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: their talking points when When President trump said he was
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: going to take out power plants and, bridges and why
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: did he say power plants and? Bridges by the, Way,
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: look the biggest thing to take out For iran is
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: their oil production facility Carg, island which is the key
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: to where they export virtually all they're oil FROM yep Carg.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: Island if we really wanted to Cripple iran and put
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: them into The Stone, age we'd take out their their oil.
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: Facilities we'd bomb the hell out of Carg, island And
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: iran's economy would just be screwed for a.
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: Decade, yeah.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: Instantly by the, way people need to understand that if
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: you just wanted to decimate them, economically that is how
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: you would do, it and it would not be that.
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: Hard So trump very deliberately has not done. That the
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: reason he said power plants and bridges is because they're
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: critically important to the. Economy you take out the power,
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: plants the electricity turns. Off the military is, crippled but
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: also the economy is, crippled the basic all of, banking
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: all of. Communication Lights literally at night people start lighting
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: candles because there's no longer the light switches don't. Work
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: and bridges are essential for, transportation both military and commercial
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: transportation across the. COUNTRY i think the reason he picked
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: those two is their enormous lever points and his hope
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: is that it would cause the collapse of this, REGIME i.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: Believe but also it means if there were a new
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: government In, iran the oil facilities would still be, there
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: so they have the ability to generate billions in revenue pretty,
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: quickly and that billions if The United states military took
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: out the power. Infrastructure if you had billions in oil
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: revenue coming, in you could. Rebuild it wouldn't be, immediate
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: but having the revenue stream makes rebuilding much more possible
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: than if you take out the oil. Infrastructure the revenue
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: stream is much further down the road and it's much
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: harder to turn. AROUND i think that's WHY i picked.
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: It BUT i will, say we're getting a lot of
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: Pompous democrats and pompus news. Reporters ALTHOUGH i repeat myself
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: ON tv saying taking out civil million power plants is
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: a war. Crime, well let me read to you from
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: The Pentagon's law Of war. Manuals so The pentagon has
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: a manual on the law of. War here's what it. Says,
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: quote electric power stations are generally recognized to be of
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: sufficient importance to a state's capacity to meet its wartime
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: needs of, communication, transport and, industry so as usually to
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: qualify as military objectives during armed. Conflicts and by the,
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: way the broader section WHICH i will read from, you
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: this is in section five point six point eight point
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: Five examples of military objectives economic objects associated with military,
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: Operations and it says before WHAT i just, read economic
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: objects associated with military operations are with war supporting or
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: war sustaining industries have been regarded as military. Objectives that
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: is incredibly inconvenient for all of The trump haters in
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: The Democrat party or in the media who want to
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: scream war, crime war, crime war, crime because there's no
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: doubt the power generation is integral to the war fighting
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: ability Of iran and. LISTEN i will say the fact
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: That pakistan stepped in it actually goes to what we
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: said On monday's, podcast which Is trump's threat with any
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: ordinary and rational leader would be incredibly. Effective if you
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: actually had a leader that gave a damn about their,
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: people that gave a damn about their, economy that threat
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: would Be holy. Cow we can't let that. Happen the
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: risk factor is the very real possibility that THE i
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: told in The malas just don't care that they're willing
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: to see that kind of devastation to their. COUNTRY i
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: will Say Pakistan pakistan. Is i've long Described pakistan as
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: a problematic. Act they are an, ally but there are
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: challenges In. PAKISTAN i actually Put Pakistan.
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: It's a very diplomatic way of putting.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: That, yes but you know, what they're an ally rather
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: than a, friend but there are real. Challenges we work With.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: Pakistan there are a lot of bad people or enemies
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: Of america that are Within, pakistan but we work with
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: the government Of. Pakistan AND i think The Prime minister
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: Of pakistan stepped up and, said, hey, look you guys In,
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: iran don't don't go down this road and and and
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: end up. Crippling don't go back to the dark, ages
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: and and and this goes back to where Where pakistan
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: may have some credibility With. IRAN i don't know If
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: pakistan Provided iran something of an off ramp that that's
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: a good, interpretation or If iran's just seizing on this
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: to delay that's another interpretation that is. Possible BUT i
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: do Think pakistan stepping forward and saying let's have a
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: two week cease fire is an example of a more
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: normal country and a leader who presumably cares about his
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: people at least to a significant, extent stepping forward To
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: iran and, saying come, on, guys don't keep playing. Chicken
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: this doesn't end.
• 33:10
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• 33:13
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• 33:30
  Speaker 3: Morning