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E197: Unmasking the Andrew Tate Saga: The Untold Perspective of the Victims · The Lila Rose Show

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  Just from that victim alone, he made $1.5 million.
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  There's multiple victims that have come forward and described
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  violent sexual abuse in multiple countries.
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  That's a level of corroboration you rarely see.
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  I. Read through a 180 page counter
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  suit and it was incredibly difficult to read.
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  I felt like throwing up afterwards.
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  You know you want to bleach your eyes.
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  That's what we were all upset about with Epstein.
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  His friends knew what he was doing.
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  They covered up for him. He was never convicted.
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  We don't say innocent to proven guilty with him.
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  Epstein we know exactly what he has done so we can't make that
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  same mistake. The Taylor brothers deserve due
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  process and they should get that.
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  But with. Their Danny Pinter.
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  Welcome to the podcast. Thanks so much for having me.
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  So I've recently joined a list of a growing list of women who
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  have been threatened to be sued by the Tates, and you are a very
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  courageous attorney representing alleged victims of the Tates in
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  court. Yes.
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  And thank you for calling me brave, but I am representing
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  some victims of Andrew and Tristan Tate, yes.
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  I'm so glad you're here to talk about this because just a week
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  or so ago, Andrew and Tristan Tate landed in Florida.
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  They are now, I think, making a bit of a circuit around the
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  country. Lots of photo OPS, lots of
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  podcasts. And just recently, the attorney
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  general of Florida announced that they're doing a criminal
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  investigation into the Tates. You're representing an American
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  victim. How does the criminal
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  investigation that Florida is now doing into the Tates affect
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  your case? I'm not sure we'll see, but it
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  was unbelievably encouraging for Jane Doe.
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  Jane Doe has been sued by the Tate brothers like you were
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  threatened to to silence, right? At the very least, this is a
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  matter of public importance. So why would you be threatened
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  with a lawsuit? The only, the only reason would
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  be to silence you on this issue, which is anti free speech, which
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  Andrew Tate says he's the bastion of free speech.
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  Yet that is exactly what he's done to Jane Doe.
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  He's sued her to silence her and to get her to stop participating
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  in the Romanian prosecution because she again was asked to
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  provide additional testimony and he didn't want that to happen.
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  So you're representing the American victim in the Romanian
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  case against the Tates. Can you tell us her story?
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  Sure. So she was in South Florida, she
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  lived in Florida. She was in Miami for a couple
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  weeks. She met Tristan Tate online.
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  They started a very romantic relationship right away, talking
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  about music, and he told her she was special.
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  She was an artist and they met in person in Miami, hit it off
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  and she believed she was in a romantic relationship with him.
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  She spent almost the entirety of her time with him while he was
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  in Florida. Then he left.
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  They kept in contact and he invited her to Romania.
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  He mentioned it when they were together in Florida.
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  They talked about it again. And then he paid for her plane
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  ticket and brought her to Romania.
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  But when she got there, almost immediately, things did not seem
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  right. She, well, one, he said she's
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  like about to board the plane. And he says, well, three, I want
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  to tell you the ground rules, 3 rules before you come.
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  And she said, OK, what are those?
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  And he said, no body hair at all.
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  You need to teach me music and no outside friends.
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  You can't speak to anybody unless I introduce you.
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  So that set the tone. And she was already feeling
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  uncomfortable. Then she gets there and is
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  almost immediately put in a house with these other women who
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  are all seemingly working on only fans.
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  He's not even around. So she thought they're going to
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  travel Europe together. He's going to show her the
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  sights. This is going to be like a fun
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  romantic trip, but he's not available.
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  He's even leaving, going out of town at times.
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  And she's with all these women doing only fans.
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  And, you know, they're asking her to do it.
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  She's he says, you know, meet, meet my, my manager of only
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  fans. She's going to tell you how
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  great it is and, you know, consider it.
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  And so she started to think, well, I don't seems like I was
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  right here for a different purpose and like he just wants
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  to manage man only fans. And then she just saw more and
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  more concerning things. She connected with a young woman
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  who goes by Mary Doe and she was in utter distress.
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  She was experiencing severe abuse at the hand of Andrew
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  Tate. And they exchanged information,
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  and that's when Jane Doe really started put the pieces together
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  that this seems like a more organized, systematic,
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  potentially trafficking ring. And so she started texting with
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  her parents, as anyone would. You know, mom and dad, I made a
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  mistake. I shouldn't have come here.
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  It looks like they're trying to get everyone to do only fans.
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  These other women seem to be groomers and helping the Tate
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  brothers. You know, I want to sneak out.
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  And she also texted a friend who is United States Marine, and he
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  had actually told her before she left that he thought the Tate
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  brothers were doing illegal things.
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  They actually got in a fight about it.
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  And so she texted him, you were right.
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  And so he merely said, well, what's going on?
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  She described some of the things she was seeing and experiencing.
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  And he said, you know, this sounds like human trafficking.
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  You need to contact the US Embassy.
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  And she said, you know, I, I don't want to do that because
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  the brothers say they're connected to everyone.
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  They say they know powerful people.
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  They say they know the Romanian police.
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  They know the government. I don't think calling U.S.
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  embassy would work. I think it would put me in more
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  danger. I'm going to sneak out.
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  She actually bought plane ticket for her and Mary Doe.
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  And she, she really wanted to help Mary Doe.
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  She, you know, felt like she got herself into a bad situation.
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  But she saw the distress that Mary Doe was in and she wanted
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  to get the two of them out of there.
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  And so they bought plane tickets.
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  But the United States Marine felt he had a duty under his
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  training to report suspected trafficking in American in
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  danger. So he did the right thing.
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  He called the US Embassy. And that's when the Romanian
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  police, together with embassy, raided the Tate brothers
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  compound and saved Jane Doe and Mary Doe.
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  Once they were taken into custody, the Romanian
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  authorities asked her, you know, would you be willing to
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  cooperate with our investigation, provide testimony
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  about what you witnessed? And she said yes, and she
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  cooperated and then almost immediately went into hiding.
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  My understanding is that the Tates are suing also the Marine,
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  the US Marine who did his duty, which is to report suspected sex
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  trafficking, and he's also been named by the.
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  By the Tates, yes. So they sued the Marine.
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  Also, Jane Doe's parents and Jane Doe and Mary Doe.
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  Luckily we were able to get the the Marine dismissed in federal
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  court. The federal court found he was
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  acting in the scope of his duties and so he cannot be sued
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  for that. That was the right decision, but
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  it just shows the level intimidation because they sued
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  Jane Doe's parents because they alleged they called the embassy,
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  which they didn't actually it was the Marine, but just because
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  they might have called embassy because her daughter was in
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  danger suing them as well. It just reveals that this is not
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  a legitimate lawsuit, that it was filed as intimidation.
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  And I also would like to point out that Yasmina Penkov and
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  Beatrice on Hell, two women who work for the Tape Brothers in
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  Romania, are also suing Jane Doe and her parents and represented
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  by the same lawyers as Andrew and Tristan Tate.
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  So this is a relentless intimidation campaign.
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  Some of the allegations that I've seen made against Jane Doe,
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  your client, including by the Tates, is that she is attention
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  seeking, She's trying to use this somehow for financial gain.
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  She was kind of trying to go to Romania, got bored, and then
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  wanted to kind of invent this story.
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  What is? And that's also underpinning
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  their defamation lawsuit against her to say that they're hurting
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  she is hurting their good name. What is your response to that?
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  So Jane Doe did not go public with her story.
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  So she didn't go to the media, tell her story.
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  She didn't make public accusations of the Tate
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  brothers. She didn't even walk into a
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  police station and file a report, which of course she
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  would have a right to do if she believed crime occurred.
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  What happened was there was a raid.
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  She was taken into custody and asked to cooperate, which was
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  the right thing to do. They're suing her for defamation
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  merely for her testimony to Romanian authorities.
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  And on top of that, they suggest or claim, as you said, that this
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  is financial gain. But in her testimony, she was
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  given the opportunity to be a civil party to the criminal
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  case, which would be the American equivalent to
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  restitution, that if they're found guilty, that some of the
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  money would go to the crime victims.
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  I think there's nothing wrong with that.
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  We do that in America. But she specifically declined to
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  be a civil party and said, I don't want it to be said later
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  that my testimony was given for monetary gain.
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  So they claim she did this for money, yet money she was legally
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  allowed to have as a crime victim.
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  She declined. She provided her testimony and
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  refused to accept a dime. Wow.
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  What was Mary Doe? You mentioned her a couple
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  times. And this was a woman that Jane
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  Doe met when she first came to Romania and ended up in this
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  household with these other women you mentioned she was enduring,
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  you know, your your words were abuse at the hands of Andrew
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  Tate. Can you share more about what
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  Mary Doe was experiencing? And is this also something that
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  today. Is this also something that the
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  Romanian authorities are investigating?
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  Yes. So Mary Doe is a listed victim
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  and part of the investigation. She's provided testimony and has
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  unwavered, has not wavered from that testimony.
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  But she, you know, Andrew met her in London and she was a new
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  Christian, a very innocent young woman.
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  And Andrew had actually first reached out to her on Instagram
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  because she liked to post of his on traditional family values,
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  traditional values. And she liked that.
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  And so he reached out to her, messaged her and they met in
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  person in London. And so he specifically connected
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  with her on her desire to have marriage and family, Christian
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  values, traditional values, you know, he lied to her about
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  believing in those things and believing in God.
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  And so she, they, their relationship escalated very
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  quickly. He said he was going to marry
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  her. And so he asked her to come to
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  Romania and she came. But then when she came, all of
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  the little cracks in the story started to show.
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  But he kept lying. So he kept saying that he was
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  only in a relationship with her and they were going to get
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  married. But meanwhile, he is in
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  simultaneously and very serious relationship with another woman
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  and also numerous other women. But particularly there's another
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  woman. He was saying the same very
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  serious things about getting married and having children at
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  the same time, and they're living in a house together.
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  So that woman knows Mary Doe is brought here and is obviously
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  not happy and treating her badly.
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  And Mary Doe doesn't know what to believe because Andrew Tate's
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  telling her, oh, just ignore that woman.
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  You know, she's crazy kind of thing.
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  And then meanwhile, he's pushing her boundaries and pushing her
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  boundaries. So he's telling her to take
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  sexual pictures with these other girls.
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  She's saying, I'm not attracted to women.
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  I don't want to do that. I don't believe in that.
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  He's sending her Bible verses about obeying your husband.
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  And so, oh, it's he tells her it's not, it's not about, you
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  know, doing sexual things with the girls.
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  I just want to see that you obey me.
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  I want to see that you'll do something you don't want to do
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  for me. So that's how he was
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  manipulating her and slowly pushing her to do more and more
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  things where she's now taking sexual pictures, engaging in
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  sexual activity with these other women.
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  Ultimately, he really coerces her into into a threesome these
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  other women. And she immediately after is
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  sobbing and hysterical in distress and she had to get
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  drunk beforehand and all this. And he knows all that.
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  So she was feeling lost and desperate and like she had
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  sacrificed all her values now for this relationship.
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  And so that also made her feel like she had invested so much
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  she couldn't walk away. She just felt completely
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  helpless, like she did not know what to do and how to get out of
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  that situation at all. And she still, I mean, she still
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  believed in it, right? She still wanted to believe
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  Andrew loved her. So she she still thought that
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  maybe he was just in a relationship with her.
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  And it wasn't until Jane Doe came and said, well, I actually
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  personally met someone else he was dating in Miami.
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  Like, I was introduced to her. Like she was able to just
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  finally confirm all the red flags that Mary Doe was feeling
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  that OK, no, actually, I've been completely lied to.
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  What was the if you can speak to it, what was the end game with
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  Mary Doe of you know this human trafficking is one of the
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  charges, of course, that the Roman, the Romanian authorities
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  are pursuing. What was the end game with Mary
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  Doe? Well, as.
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  Why was she brought there under these false frequencies?
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  As Andrew Tate has said himself, the only reason he gets in these
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  relationships is to put the women on only fans on webcam.
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  That's the only reason he even says I don't even have sex with
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  these women because I like having sex with them.
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  That's just part of the control. I have sex with them to control
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  them and it's always about webcam.
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  So that was the end game. And it's very fascinating
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  because you can see sort of this pattern in terms of how long the
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  women were there. So Jane Doe was only there for
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  about a week and Tristan had said I'm going to manage on only
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  Fans. She says, well, I'm not sure.
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  And he's like, OK, well you just talk to the other women about it
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  and has her talk to the other women about it.
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  Asked her a couple times, but acts like he's OK if she doesn't
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  do it. Then you have Mary Doe is there
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  for a month and now Andrew has gotten her to take sexual
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  pictures. He says only for his personal
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  use, but she wasn't even willing to do that right?
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  Like so it's this breaking down the boundary.
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  So he's gotten her now to take sexual pictures with other women
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  and then he's got her to do the TikTok live working for the
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  other women that works for him. So they used TikTok to promote
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  and Dr. people to only fans. So he's got her doing the TikTok
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  now, right? He says just do it with
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  Georgiana his Co conspirator. Just do the TikTok.
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  You have nothing else to do. You can make some money like
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  what's the big deal? And he says you don't you know,
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  you only do only fans when you want to do it.
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  I'm not going to make you do it only when you want to do it.
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  And she's like, well, I never want to do it.
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  OK, so she's only there a month and now she is taking sexual
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  pictures and she's doing the TikTok.
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  And then you have Yasmina Penkov, who again was a
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  Christian woman who specifically told Andrew, I have never sent a
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  picture of myself in lingerie. I don't believe in doing that or
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  in doing webcam. It's a I'm a Christian and it's
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  against my values, but I love you.
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  She's been with Andrew for I now at this point I can't remember
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  months, maybe almost a year and she's full time on only fans
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  full time webcam model now and saying things to him like I
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  don't care if I found out you were a serial killer, I would
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  stand by you and. And when you say that, even that
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  quote, how do we know that that's a quote that Yasmina said
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  to Andrew? In text messages that we have in
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  part of our lawsuit. And this is text messages that
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  were we, were we. How are these text messages
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  gotten? Because I think again, there's
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  narratives out there saying this is all fabricated.
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  This isn't true. Oh no, yeah, this is all part of
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  the Romanian criminal case file. There's a common statement
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  that's being made right now coming from, you know, generally
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  speaking, Andrew Tate supporters as well as I think the Tate
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  brothers about how the Romanian charges were dropped.
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  Is that the case? No, they've never been dropped.
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  The case is ongoing. And this is an important point
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  because the tape brothers have said multiple times that the
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  case is dismissed, yet now they acknowledge it's not dismissed
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  and then they claim they're going to return for a court
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  hearing. So why are they?
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  Why do they continuously lie about easily verifiable facts?
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  I think that should cause everyone pause and to be
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  somewhat skeptical because either the case it's dismissed
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  or it's not. They've said it multiple times
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  that it's dismissed and now they're saying it's not
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  dismissed. So why are they lying?
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  And no, it's not dismissed. There's two, there's two
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  separate investigations. The first, which involves Jane
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  Doe and Mary Doe, that had gone all the way to the pretrial
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  stage. And now because some evidence
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  was excluded for procedural reasons, the court sent it back
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  to the prosecutor to redo that indictment.
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  But there's also a second investigation, including 35
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  victims, including two minors, so both in Romania, in Romania.
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  So both of those are ongoing and they'll we'll just see a new
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  indictment. Will they be going to try all
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  those cases? Well, we'll see, right?
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  It'll go through the process of the thing about Romania too, is
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  they allow every single court decision to be appealed.
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  So the Tay brothers have appealed every single minute
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  court hearing and decision. So that's a clear delay tactic.
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  They keep acting like this is taking so long because there's
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  no evidence. No, it's taking a very long time
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  because you've appealed every decision.
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  You have a right to do that, That's okay.
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  But don't then say that the delay is caused by a lack of
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  evidence or the prosecution when you are the one disputing every
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  single court decision. So it'll go through, there'll be
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  another indictment, it'll go through the pre trial stage,
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  which happens here too, where you examine the methods by which
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  the evidence was obtained. Was it all done through due
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  process in the correct way? If some things were great, they
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  stay in. If some things weren't, those
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  would be excluded and then trials ready to go on all the
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  evidence. It's already been examined.
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  So then you would just go through the trial with that
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  evidence? One of the ongoing statements,
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  I, you know, the statement that's been made, I've heard
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  multiple times from the Tates is that there are not victims or
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  that if there were victims originally called victims, they
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  have since recanted and said we're not victims.
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  You know, we, we fully agreed to do the TikTok or the only fans
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  or whatever. Is that the case?
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  No. And again, when they say an
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  absolute statement repeatedly, there are no victims.
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  Andrew has said there's not one victim, not one woman has said
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  that I've done anything wrong or accused me of a crime.
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  That's an absolute statement. And he says it was such force.
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  So if that's not true, then people should be alarmed.
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  Why would you be OK with being lied to?
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  And so the truth is, and this is indisputable.
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  Is that there are many victims now some of the victims that are
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  named in the criminal case like Yasmina who said I wouldn't
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  leave you even found out you're a serial killer.
• 20:20
  Well, she says she's not a victim and the prosecution is
• 20:23
  still treating her as a victim, which I think is correct because
• 20:27
  trafficking is being caused to engage in commercial sex act
• 20:31
  with fraud and coercion. If they found that the entire
• 20:34
  pretense of her working and only fans was through lies and that
• 20:38
  Andrew Tay has kept all the money, whether she's OK with
• 20:41
  that or not doesn't change the fact that it was exploitive.
• 20:44
  But on the other hand, many victims have given testimony.
• 20:47
  Jane Doe is primarily a witness, right?
• 20:51
  She was there for a week, but Mary Doe gave detailed testimony
• 20:56
  about the sexual abuse she suffered.
• 20:58
  Many of the victims in the remaining case, I've read their
• 21:01
  testimony, including the 15 year old girl who provided testimony
• 21:05
  against Andrew Tate saying, you know, he sexually abused me when
• 21:09
  I was 15. And she describes really her
• 21:12
  distress. You know, he took me at this
• 21:14
  young age of 15 and, you know, sexually abused me.
• 21:18
  She describes anal sexual abuse, being strangled.
• 21:22
  And on top of that there's all of these UK victims.
• 21:27
  And what's so compelling is that there is consistency in the
• 21:33
  description of the abuse among many women across countries and
• 21:37
  across different time periods. So that young 15 year old
• 21:40
  described being strangled by Andrew Tate.
• 21:43
  She doesn't know these UK victims who back in 2016
• 21:50
  describe being strangled by Andrew Tate.
• 21:53
  That's a level of corroboration you rarely see.
• 21:56
  That's powerful evidence. So there's multiple victims that
• 22:00
  have come forward and described violent sexual abuse in multiple
• 22:05
  countries. Are there criminal cases or
• 22:07
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• 22:12
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  Go to hollow.com/lila. Are there criminal cases or
• 23:25
  other civil cases in any anywhere else besides Romania
• 23:30
  right now? Yes.
• 23:31
  So there is a criminal case ongoing in the UK.
• 23:35
  They sought extradition and it was granted.
• 23:38
  So the Romanian court granted extradition to the UK saying
• 23:41
  they, the Tate brothers, will be extradited when this criminal,
• 23:45
  the remaining criminal case is resolved.
• 23:47
  So again, Andrew Tate just went on a podcast and said
• 23:50
  extradition was denied by the judge.
• 23:53
  I mean, that's an absolute statement.
• 23:55
  Again, it's black and white. Either extradition was granted
• 23:58
  or it was denied. It was granted.
• 23:59
  Why is he lying? Why is he lying?
• 24:03
  There's court documents that showed it was granted.
• 24:05
  It's been reported many times that it was granted.
• 24:08
  And then there's also a civil case in the UK on behalf of four
• 24:11
  victims, and those are separate victims from the criminal case.
• 24:15
  There is, I think, often in statements made by the Tates and
• 24:19
  their defenders, this narrative that these are not victims of
• 24:24
  sex trafficking. You know, nobody was plucked
• 24:26
  from their bed at night, thrown in the trunk of a car, driven
• 24:29
  across, you know, a border, taken to a home, locked up, put
• 24:34
  in shackles and then, you know, sex trafficked.
• 24:36
  Like, you know, there's a sort of, again, I'm not those are not
• 24:38
  the words they're using. But there's sort of this
• 24:40
  innuendo about sex trafficking involves, you know, violent
• 24:44
  kidnapping. It involves acts of force to
• 24:47
  keep people in captivity. And one of the big arguments
• 24:50
  that they've made about the Romanian case is that the women
• 24:54
  in this household were able to leave the home and come back,
• 24:59
  and there's actually footage of them leaving and coming back.
• 25:02
  What is the legal definition of sex trafficking both in Romania?
• 25:08
  And I'm curious about how it relates to the United States's
• 25:12
  definition of sex trafficking. And how does the Romanian case
• 25:17
  have, you know, in your view, a strength when it comes to saying
• 25:21
  these women actually were victims of sex trafficking?
• 25:24
  Yes. So Romania follows the Palermo
• 25:27
  Protocol, which most of Europe follows, which is very similar
• 25:31
  to the federal sex trafficking statute.
• 25:32
  So I'll go through the US federal sex trafficking statute.
• 25:35
  It's very analogous to the Palermo Protocol.
• 25:39
  So under U.S. Law Sex trafficking is causing
• 25:42
  someone to engage in commercial sex via force, fraud or
• 25:46
  coercion, or causing a minor to engage in commercial sex.
• 25:50
  And just just to not to interrupt here, but commercial
• 25:52
  sex, does that include webcam pornography only fans?
• 25:57
  It's not actual sexual intercourse.
• 25:59
  It can be anything related to sexual acts.
• 26:03
  Correct. So people think of prostitution,
• 26:06
  which of course it is, but it also relates to pornography.
• 26:09
  That would be commercial sex acts.
• 26:11
  So Andrew Tate, there's a couple things here.
• 26:14
  Andrew Tate has specifically described my job was to get a
• 26:20
  woman to fall in love with me, to go on Only Fans and then give
• 26:25
  me all the money. He describes lying to the women
• 26:29
  about the terms of this only fans arrangement that he would
• 26:33
  tell them that it would be 5050, but really it would be something
• 26:38
  different 4060, sometimes even more skewed than that.
• 26:42
  And he would just lie and say things like, oh, tell her it's
• 26:45
  for taxes, but I'm not really paying taxes.
• 26:46
  I'm pocketing that money. So that describes fraud.
• 26:51
  So causing someone to engage in commercial sex, causing someone
• 26:54
  to perform on webcam pornography using lies, using fraud is sex
• 26:59
  trafficking. He has described that himself.
• 27:02
  And then of course, that is consistent with what the
• 27:05
  Romanian allegations are. And then there's also the
• 27:08
  coercion piece, which is a lot of different things amount to
• 27:12
  coercion, but threats, restricting your movement,
• 27:16
  isolating the victim. Were there threats?
• 27:19
  So different women describe different things.
• 27:22
  One of the young women describes that she was threatened with her
• 27:26
  pornography being released and that when she tried to leave,
• 27:28
  they hacked her Facebook accounts and put pornography on
• 27:31
  there and whole family saw. Jane Doe was threatened many
• 27:34
  times by the Tate brothers. She was sent a cease and desist
• 27:38
  letter shortly after they were arrested December 2022.
• 27:42
  She got a cease and desist letter that said if she didn't
• 27:44
  recant her statement, she'd be sued for $10 million.
• 27:47
  And then she was sued, all based on her testimony in Romania.
• 27:51
  She didn't go to the media. She didn't say me too.
• 27:54
  She didn't publicly accuse him of crimes.
• 27:56
  She cooperated with law enforcement and was threatened
• 27:59
  and sued because of that. To your question about
• 28:02
  restricting of movement. So the tape brothers say there's
• 28:05
  a CCTV footage that shows them going to the gate and getting
• 28:08
  food and leaving. But the truth was, and the text
• 28:11
  messages show this, that all the women, but particularly Jane Doe
• 28:15
  and Mary Doe, were told you cannot leave by yourself.
• 28:18
  You cannot leave unless you're escorted by me or one of the
• 28:21
  other women who had been there longer.
• 28:23
  So they were told they couldn't leave.
• 28:26
  Now, most people think of like you described, sort of this very
• 28:30
  extreme violence, sex trafficking where you're chained
• 28:34
  up, you're kidnapped off the street.
• 28:37
  Now that does happen, right? That kind of sex trafficking
• 28:40
  does happen. That would be sex trafficking by
• 28:42
  force. Of course, that's easier to
• 28:44
  recognize. But the most common form of sex
• 28:47
  trafficking, particularly domestic sex, sex trafficking,
• 28:50
  which happens in the United States everyday, is this via
• 28:54
  fraud and coercion, this lover boy method.
• 28:57
  And that has been studied, that is in academic research.
• 29:00
  The tape brothers like to act like it's made-up.
• 29:03
  It's this new thing that Romania is doing.
• 29:05
  He makes jokes kind of making light of it, but that every
• 29:09
  single law enforcement officer who investigates sex trafficking
• 29:12
  in the United States knows exactly what that is.
• 29:14
  They would call it Romeo pimping, most of the time, Romeo
• 29:17
  pimp or finesse pimp. And that's where these
• 29:19
  traffickers target, usually a vulnerable girl who is in foster
• 29:23
  care or has a drug addiction and pretends to be her boyfriend,
• 29:28
  cares about her, takes her out of a bad situation.
• 29:31
  She becomes dependent on him. And then he, you know, pimps her
• 29:34
  out. He forces her to engage in
• 29:36
  commercial sex, whether that's prostitution or pornography.
• 29:39
  And that's exactly what Andrew Tate describes doing.
• 29:41
  He mentions someone called pimping Ken, and so does Tristan
• 29:45
  as an idol, as someone they like.
• 29:47
  That man was a real life pimp who wrote books on how to pimp
• 29:51
  women, how to prostitute women. And it all describes this
• 29:54
  coercion, which is this manipulation and involves lies
• 29:58
  and deceit. It's, you know, Andrew Tate will
• 30:01
  say, oh, I was nice to them. Oh, I like them.
• 30:04
  Maybe I did like them. But where you see that this is a
• 30:09
  manipulation is where he describes that the only reason
• 30:13
  he gets into these relationships is to put them on webcam.
• 30:17
  Those relationships and those feelings are utterly false.
• 30:21
  And then you see it time time again through all the lies in
• 30:24
  the manipulation. And he specifically describes
• 30:28
  isolate these women you have any outside influences are going to
• 30:35
  bad for you. They're going to because he
• 30:36
  teaches men this. That's the other thing.
• 30:39
  He acts like, oh, I said offensive things.
• 30:41
  No, you literally sold courses. You charged a man for your
• 30:47
  expertise and instructed them on how to manipulate women into
• 30:53
  only fans and he talks, teaches these men how to isolate them.
• 30:57
  If she has a friend group, cut her off from that.
• 30:59
  If she has strong family influences, cut her off because
• 31:01
  they will have control of her mind and not you.
• 31:03
  He literally says control of her mind.
• 31:06
  So by isolating her and that's what he that's why they bring
• 31:09
  them to Romania, right? Like he brought Mary Doe to
• 31:13
  Romania, cut her off from her family, surrounds her with these
• 31:16
  other women who are all deep in, deep in the trafficking, in the
• 31:21
  brainwashing. They're reinforcing the beliefs
• 31:24
  he has the women spying and reporting back to each other.
• 31:28
  And he just pushes and pushes and pushes until she does things
• 31:31
  she doesn't want to do. And that's coercion.
• 31:34
  Candace Owens and Tucker Carlson were two of Think of the first
• 31:37
  folks in the kind of more conservative right movement to
• 31:41
  interview the Tates, particularly Andrew Tate at the
• 31:44
  time when they were under house arrest in Romania.
• 31:47
  I think it was Tucker Carlson that went over first to Romania,
• 31:50
  sat down with him. This was shortly after his
• 31:51
  departure from Fox News Candace Owens followed shortly, I think
• 31:55
  a month or two later and sat down with Andrew Tate for a big
• 31:58
  interview. In the interview with Tucker
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• 32:06
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• 33:19
  Are you charged with? That's a really good question.
• 33:21
  I'm charged with being the head of an organized criminal group
• 33:25
  which is in charge of recruiting girls to make TikTok videos to
• 33:30
  steal the money from the TikTok views, recruiting girls to make
• 33:37
  TikTok videos and stealing the money.
• 33:39
  So it's really a financial crime.
• 33:41
  First of all, I'm just curious your take on that.
• 33:42
  Is that what he's charged with? The head of a crime group to
• 33:45
  make girls do TikTok and take money?
• 33:48
  No. He's charged with forming an
• 33:50
  organized crime group to sex traffic women and he's charged
• 33:53
  with rape in Romania. Yes.
• 33:56
  It's very interesting because the girls who they've identified
• 33:59
  to add to the file are saying that we're not victims of
• 34:02
  anything. And this isn't true, but the
• 34:05
  state believes it's true and the state thinks that.
• 34:07
  I, as a 35 year old man, woke up.
• 34:10
  I was already extremely financially successful.
• 34:13
  I was already a father. I was already very well known.
• 34:15
  I had no financial motivation. I have no criminal record.
• 34:17
  It's not my personality profile. But I woke up the age of 35 and
• 34:20
  decided to make girls do TikTok to enrich myself with the
• 34:26
  pennies that I would earn from TikTok.
• 34:28
  Views He's saying the victims have already said that they're
• 34:30
  not victims. And then why would I want to
• 34:32
  make pennies off of TikTok videos?
• 34:35
  Well, he's not charged with stealing money from TikTok, so
• 34:40
  that's just a false premise. But the other thing is he kind
• 34:44
  of says, well, I woke up one day and just wanted to do this.
• 34:47
  Andrew Tate himself and Tristan Tate have repeated many times
• 34:51
  that they made their first $1,000,000 on their only fans or
• 34:55
  webcam empire. He said that he's he's described
• 34:58
  to being destitute and desperate for money and and that he was
• 35:02
  looking around and saying, what are my assets?
• 35:04
  I have hot girlfriends. Attractive women are absolutely
• 35:08
  assets. It's literally what he said and
• 35:10
  that he discovered what webcam was and thought, I'll put these
• 35:13
  women on webcam. And that's how he built his
• 35:16
  webcam empire, as he called it. He claimed to at one point have
• 35:21
  75 women on webcam and that's how he made his millions.
• 35:26
  So here he's saying, I was already rich.
• 35:28
  Why I need to do that? That's literally what he says to
• 35:31
  the women over and over again. And he teaches the men to say
• 35:35
  I'll, I'll say to them, I don't want to be them to accuse me of
• 35:39
  tricking them or pressuring them.
• 35:41
  So I'll always say I'm already rich.
• 35:43
  I don't need you to to only fans.
• 35:45
  It's only if you want to. That's a line he and Tristan
• 35:49
  repeatedly use. It's all part of the
• 35:50
  manipulation. And the truth is, he made his
• 35:53
  money from only fans. That's how he made his money,
• 35:56
  and he got famous from bragging about it.
• 35:59
  And Tucker goes on and tries to clarify and said, well, I think
• 36:01
  in the United States, we all think that you're charged with
• 36:03
  human trafficking, Andrew, what's the truth?
• 36:05
  So. In the United States, the, I
• 36:08
  think the belief is that you were charged with human
• 36:10
  trafficking. Yeah, that's human trafficking
• 36:12
  because what you do is you force a girl to work against her will
• 36:15
  for financial gain. That's human trafficking.
• 36:17
  And their justification for this is that girls do TikTok.
• 36:20
  Some girls I know who they found who say they're not victims,
• 36:23
  have TikTok accounts. How do you force someone to do
• 36:26
  TikTok videos? I guess the prosecutor is going
• 36:28
  to have to explain that, isn't he?
• 36:30
  It's a very interesting scenario I'm in and I'm inside of
• 36:32
  Romania, so I have to show a degree of respect to the
• 36:34
  Romanian judicial system and I have to show a degree of respect
• 36:37
  to the situation I'm in. But the overall charge is that
• 36:40
  there's an organized criminal group.
• 36:42
  There's a group of us. I'm the head of it.
• 36:44
  My brother is the below me and we use the lover boy method to
• 36:50
  convince women to do TikTok videos to make money so that we
• 36:54
  can steal the TikTok money. So there's no.
• 36:58
  Just to be clear, you are not accused of pandering, of
• 37:01
  pimping, of forcing women to have sex with anybody.
• 37:04
  No, not forcing to have sex, not for not restraining their
• 37:07
  movement. So Tyra Carlson says, so you're
• 37:10
  not charged with with pandering or pimping or forcing people to
• 37:13
  have to have sex. What are your what are your
• 37:15
  thoughts on that? That's true, but sex trafficking
• 37:19
  also encompasses any commercial sex act, which includes
• 37:22
  pornography. Not stopping them from living a
• 37:25
  full life, but the fact that we are somehow convincing them to
• 37:28
  have TikTok, very interesting. I don't think but, but, but
• 37:31
  there's no actual. I'm asking you this because I do
• 37:36
  think it's a widespread belief that you were accused of
• 37:39
  pimping. Yeah, well, that's nothing to do
• 37:40
  with any of this case. Absolutely nothing.
• 37:42
  Tucker Carlson clarifies and says, well, I do think many
• 37:44
  people think you were accused of pimping, and then this is what
• 37:47
  Andrew says in response to that. The crime in itself of human
• 37:50
  trafficking is a unique one because they can ignore the
• 37:53
  statement of the victim. So the girls have come forward
• 37:56
  and said this is insane. You've just picked us because
• 37:58
  we're near Andrew and we're his friends.
• 38:00
  But the whole idea of the crime is they can say that she's
• 38:02
  under, she's brainwashed, right? She's under duress.
• 38:05
  So you can ignore her statement. State says she's a victim
• 38:08
  regardless of the fact that she says she's not a victim.
• 38:11
  So it's very interesting because the difference between sex and
• 38:14
  rape is consent, right? But they remove all of that.
• 38:16
  They're like, Nope, you're a victim.
• 38:17
  No matter what you say, we're deciding you're a victim and
• 38:21
  they've chosen them. And of course, these girls do
• 38:22
  nothing pornographic. They've never had sex with
• 38:24
  anyone, nothing to do with that. So they've picked TikTok.
• 38:26
  What are what are your thoughts? So a couple things, one, Andrew
• 38:30
  Tate and his instructional videos to men calls himself a
• 38:34
  pimp and says that the techniques I'm going to teach
• 38:38
  you on how to get women to go on only fans and give you all the
• 38:42
  money are the same techniques you could do for street pimping.
• 38:46
  So he references St. pimping, which would be forcing a woman
• 38:53
  to engage in prostitution, right.
• 38:55
  So he's saying I'm using the same methods.
• 38:57
  He says I know St. pimps, I'm good friends with St. pimps, and
• 39:01
  it's the same method. So commercial sex by definition
• 39:05
  includes pornography. He describes using these methods
• 39:09
  that you would use to prostitute a woman to put her on porn, and
• 39:13
  he calls that pimping. So that's his own description of
• 39:16
  what he was doing. And then another thing to to, to
• 39:21
  look at is sort of him talking about ignoring the women's
• 39:25
  statements. So one, there are some women who
• 39:30
  say they're not victims, but then there's many women who say
• 39:34
  they are. So he ignores that.
• 39:35
  So it's first, it's important to recognize that there are women
• 39:39
  who are absolutely testifying that they are victims and we're
• 39:42
  harmed by Andrew Tate. So even if you exclude the women
• 39:45
  who are not acknowledging that they're victims at this time,
• 39:48
  there are still victims. And then the other thing to note
• 39:53
  is Andrew Tate keeps saying that it's TikTok, right?
• 39:56
  He keeps harping on this TikTok. But in the remaining case file,
• 40:00
  they got all kinds of documents regarding bank transfers to the
• 40:04
  Tate brothers from only fans and my free cams.
• 40:07
  So those are the two biggest webcam platforms, which Andrew
• 40:10
  Tate has talked about multiple times in his own videos.
• 40:13
  And that's the Romanians found money that they received.
• 40:17
  Why would Andrew Tate and Tristan Tate receive earnings
• 40:21
  from? Only fans or my free cams if
• 40:24
  they themselves don't have an account on that site.
• 40:26
  If they're not performing in webcam, why would they be
• 40:29
  receiving money on behalf of other women?
• 40:32
  You mentioned there are victims that no longer say that they're
• 40:35
  victims or they they say we're not victims.
• 40:37
  You were speaking to that earlier.
• 40:39
  Why? Why do you think that is?
• 40:40
  It is brainwashing. So he mentions brainwashing in a
• 40:43
  cavalier way, but he's described brainwashing these women.
• 40:46
  He's described controlling their minds.
• 40:48
  And we see that with Yasmine and Penkov, who said I wouldn't
• 40:50
  leave you even if I found out you were a sex trafficker.
• 40:55
  We understand when we look at cult dynamics that adults can be
• 40:59
  brainwashed into doing all kinds of really crazy things, things
• 41:04
  against their own interests, hurting themselves, hurting
• 41:05
  others. We've come to a place in society
• 41:08
  where we can see that and recognize that sex trafficking
• 41:11
  is a very similar dynamic to cult dynamics.
• 41:15
  There is this isolation from outside influences,
• 41:19
  manipulation, this sort of highly charismatic leader that
• 41:25
  the individuals are told and manipulated to put all their
• 41:29
  trust in. That becomes their higher belief
• 41:31
  system. And so they're willing to do
• 41:33
  anything in everything for that person.
• 41:35
  That's exactly what happens with sex trafficking.
• 41:38
  Andrew Tate describes doing that with women, and then we see
• 41:42
  women experiencing that. One of the thing I want to point
• 41:45
  out is he tries to make light of the TikTok and pennies on the
• 41:48
  dollar in the Romanian case just on behalf of Vivian, who Vivian
• 41:53
  is his first victim ever. It has now been confirmed that
• 41:56
  he sex trafficked her as a minor just from that victim alone.
• 42:01
  He made $1.5 million on only friends from her and that began
• 42:06
  when she was a minor and he himself has discussed being in a
• 42:10
  relationship with her since she was 15.
• 42:12
  Is that the person that some folks have said or noticed has a
• 42:16
  tattoo that says Andrew Tate's name on it?
• 42:20
  Multiple women do so I'm sure Vivian does, Yasmina does as
• 42:24
  well, Beatrice does as well. That was something.
• 42:26
  Andrew Tate also bragged that he said he's has over 30 women have
• 42:29
  his name tattooed on them. And some say Tate owned.
• 42:32
  Tate owned Tate Tate's girl. After Tucker Carlson's interview
• 42:36
  in Romania, again, shortly after, Candace Owens flew to
• 42:39
  Romania and also sat down with Andrew Tate.
• 42:41
  And I want to get your thoughts on on some of this and her her
• 42:44
  take on that. And I would just note too, that
• 42:46
  in the Tucker Carlson interview after this exchange, some of
• 42:49
  which which we watched, they moved on to other topics.
• 42:52
  So there wasn't sort of more of a pressing on the, the webcam
• 42:56
  aspect of the business kind of it kept, you know, Andrew kept
• 42:59
  to his talking points about TikTok, etcetera.
• 43:01
  And he also lied about the charges.
• 43:03
  I mean, in addition to sort of manipulatively saying that the
• 43:07
  trafficking charges about TikTok, I believe Tucker point
• 43:10
  blank asked him, so you're not charged with rape and he says
• 43:13
  right when he was charged with rape.
• 43:15
  Why do you think Tucker Carlson would let Andrew Tate off the
• 43:18
  hook? I mean, he's an intelligent guy.
• 43:20
  That's the mystery. Why?
• 43:22
  Why would many people like Tucker be willing to be lied to
• 43:27
  by Andrew Tate? I mean, he's making a fool out
• 43:29
  of you. He's lying to your face, and
• 43:32
  it's easily proven that it was a lie.
• 43:35
  Why? I have that question.
• 43:38
  Let's take a look at Candace Owens interview.
• 43:40
  So she's done several with Andrew Tate and when with
• 43:42
  Tristan Tate. Now, this was the first big
• 43:45
  interview again, flying to Romania while he was under house
• 43:47
  arrest. Let's just take a look at a
• 43:48
  couple clips from this interview.
• 43:50
  Long time. I know.
• 43:50
  It's been a very long time. Very long time.
• 43:52
  Actually. I met you downstairs at the
• 43:55
  Ritz, correct? George and I were engaged at the
• 43:57
  time and I probably was very swept up in George and barely
• 44:01
  got time to talk to you. But I do remember you being very
• 44:03
  polite. Can we actually pause it for one
• 44:05
  second? Because it's interesting that
• 44:06
  she references that because right after meeting him on her
• 44:10
  show, she says, oh, I met him and my assistant, who is
• 44:14
  Romanian, came up to me and said that guy is a pimp.
• 44:18
  And I was like, what? And she said, no, I'm talking to
• 44:22
  all the locals here, and he really is a pimp.
• 44:25
  So Candace Owens, at the time she met him, acknowledged that
• 44:29
  she was aware that he was a pimp in Romania.
• 44:32
  So it's interesting to Fast forward to today and you were
• 44:35
  very much in the UK circuit. Now it seems like your celebrity
• 44:40
  is kind of really hitting the US market.
• 44:42
  They're kind of finding you for the first time, digging up a
• 44:45
  bunch of old clips. And there's a lot of pressure
• 44:47
  now on Conservatives to say something really awful about
• 44:50
  you. So.
• 44:52
  Panda Stones starts the interview with the sort of
• 44:54
  framing that There's these old clips of you, Andrew, and you
• 44:58
  know, you and I met years ago. You're very polite.
• 44:59
  There's all these old clips of you and the Conservatives are
• 45:01
  all, you know, having this pressure to say bad things about
• 45:04
  you. And I mean, that's just false
• 45:07
  from the get go. There are old clips and they
• 45:10
  continue up until 2021. In 2020 during the pandemic,
• 45:15
  he's specifically was doing interviews talking about how the
• 45:18
  pandemic caused a surge in only fans and so he was doing webcam
• 45:23
  and only fans and he even has an only fans instructional video.
• 45:27
  So this is 2023, so you're saying just two years prior to
• 45:30
  this Andrew Tate was bragging online about having more women
• 45:34
  join his only camps business only webcams business during the
• 45:38
  pandemic? Exactly.
• 45:39
  And I mean, he stopped because he was arrested in 2022.
• 45:42
  So you're saying you believe Andrew Tate stop only stopped
• 45:45
  his webcam business because he got arrested in 2022?
• 45:48
  Correct. Similar to Carlson, the first
• 45:50
  interview that Candace does this three hour long sit down in
• 45:53
  Romania was very much a softball.
• 45:56
  Exactly. She didn't make any attempt to
• 45:59
  get Romanian documents, find out the facts of Romanian case and
• 46:03
  really press him on that. She just provided a platform for
• 46:06
  him to tell his side of the story where he lies
• 46:10
  continuously. And to your point, like you said
• 46:13
  about Tucker, why would someone like Tucker or Candace provide
• 46:18
  this cover? And that's what's so damaging is
• 46:20
  when Tucker Carlson and Candace Owens provide this softball
• 46:24
  interview for Andrew Tate to lie that endorses those lies.
• 46:29
  And everyone then just trusts that.
• 46:32
  And now that's the narrative they believe.
• 46:34
  And there's no pushback or alternative facts.
• 46:38
  What's interesting is Andrew keeps making this false
• 46:42
  equivalency that resonates with conservative voices right now.
• 46:46
  So Russell Brand has famously converted and changed his life.
• 46:51
  And, you know, by all accounts seems to be a force for good and
• 46:55
  promoting conservative values. But in doing that, he has
• 46:58
  disclaimed the things he did in the past.
• 47:00
  He's admitted he did things that were wrong, and he's sorry for
• 47:04
  that. Andrew Tate has explicitly, even
• 47:07
  as recently as within the last couple weeks, said I regret
• 47:11
  nothing. I apologize for nothing.
• 47:13
  I take back nothing. So he has never disclaimed
• 47:17
  anything he's ever done or said. You'll hear his supporters say a
• 47:22
  lot of this is an act and an alter ego, but he doesn't say
• 47:25
  that. He says I stand by everything
• 47:27
  I've ever said and I don't take any of it back.
• 47:29
  So that's what I think the conservative movement needs to
• 47:32
  recognize. He is not repentant.
• 47:35
  He tries with Candace to sort of suggest that he is by saying
• 47:39
  this stuff is 10 years in his past, but one, it's not ten
• 47:42
  years in his past he was doing it continuously, and two, he's
• 47:46
  not sorry or repentant. What has happened to Jane Doe
• 47:52
  since the Romanian case was filed?
• 47:55
  Your client. She has been in hiding, she
• 47:58
  can't live her life. She literally lives underground
• 48:01
  in fear every single day. And did she face any blowback?
• 48:07
  You mentioned earlier they threatened to sue her.
• 48:10
  What happened with that? So she's been facing blowback
• 48:14
  basically since she left. First, it was a lot of
• 48:18
  slanderous things online. Andrew Tate was caught on jail
• 48:22
  phone calls from Romania instructing his associates to
• 48:25
  make videos of her and Mary Doe. He says something like, we need
• 48:29
  these girls upset, angry, crying.
• 48:32
  And so then there was all these really nasty videos about Jane
• 48:36
  and Mary Doe, really salacious videos lying about them spread
• 48:40
  all over the Internet. And Andrew Tate knows he has a
• 48:42
  very powerful following that includes also minor teenage
• 48:46
  boys. So he's inciting this following
• 48:49
  to attack and harass her. Their social media accounts were
• 48:53
  flooded. Their families social media
• 48:56
  accounts were flooded. They received hundreds of
• 48:58
  threats, including death threats.
• 49:00
  The followers said they're going to try and find her.
• 49:03
  So she has this feeling of even when they were in custody in
• 49:05
  Romania, that his followers were trying to find her and that they
• 49:10
  could find her and hurt her at any time.
• 49:13
  So there's that. All contemporaneous with also
• 49:17
  these legal threats. And you're counter suing the
• 49:21
  tapes on behalf of Jane Doe? Yes.
• 49:24
  What is the nature of the counter suit?
• 49:26
  So she is standing by her statement.
• 49:28
  She is suing them for attempting to sex trafficker.
• 49:32
  She alleges that she was brought to Romania for the purpose of
• 49:35
  being put on webcam, that Tristan's ostensible romantic
• 49:40
  relationship was fraudulent, and that her movement was restricted
• 49:46
  while she was in Romania. She was told she couldn't leave
• 49:48
  without an escort. She was under constant
• 49:50
  surveillance. The guards wouldn't let her
• 49:53
  leave if she was alone. At one point she describes going
• 49:57
  up to them, saying I just want to go for a walk, and they act
• 50:00
  like they can't understand her and won't let her out.
• 50:02
  They let her get food. Like she got Uber Eats
• 50:05
  equivalents of food. And that's sort of the
• 50:07
  surveillance footage they talk about because she goes to the
• 50:10
  gate and gets the food and comes back in.
• 50:12
  But the reality is she felt that she didn't have the freedom to
• 50:15
  leave. She was told that they knew
• 50:17
  dangerous people and if she tried to leave they could find
• 50:19
  her. And then she alleges that they
• 50:23
  engaged in witness intimidation, that this is a conspiracy to sex
• 50:27
  traffic women, including an attempt to sex trafficker, and
• 50:30
  then they engaged in witness intimidation tampering to
• 50:33
  protect their sex trafficking venture.
• 50:36
  I read through the 180 page counter suit against the Tates
• 50:43
  and, you know, this is something that my understanding is it's
• 50:46
  been sealed since, but it had been released before the court
• 50:50
  seal. And the judge said, well, if
• 50:53
  it's out there, it's out there. And Fox News at one point had
• 50:55
  linked to it. So I was able to read through
• 50:57
  the document and it included many of the text messages and
• 51:00
  communications that are in the Romanian case.
• 51:03
  And it was incredibly difficult to read.
• 51:07
  I felt like throwing up afterwards.
• 51:09
  You know, you want to bleach your eyes.
• 51:10
  Like, it's just incredibly painful to read text messages,
• 51:14
  presumably from the Tates basically coercing,
• 51:20
  manipulating. It appears that they're coercing
• 51:22
  and manipulating the woman at the other end of the text
• 51:25
  message. You know, in this case, it could
• 51:27
  be Mary Doe. You talked about her earlier
• 51:31
  encouraging all kinds of sexual acts, threats.
• 51:35
  You know, it was just incredibly dark, incredibly dark.
• 51:41
  Why do you think it is that most people today aren't even aware
• 51:46
  of those text messages, don't know the content of those
• 51:49
  messages? And you have commentators like
• 51:52
  just recently, last week, Candace Owens again interviewing
• 51:55
  Andrew Tate without any questions about the content of
• 52:00
  the Romanian case specifically more speaking towards why are
• 52:03
  you being so persecuted, Andrew? What do you think is going on
• 52:07
  with the American response to this case on the right wing?
• 52:11
  In the right wing, yeah. The Tay brothers have exploited
• 52:14
  the fact that the Romanian criminal system is a closed
• 52:17
  system. So their indictment wasn't
• 52:20
  public. Now they had press releases that
• 52:22
  gave the the nature of the crimes, and there's some
• 52:25
  reporting and some court opinions that were publicly
• 52:27
  available. So any diligent journalist could
• 52:30
  have found out a lot of the information.
• 52:33
  Not all of it, but a lot of it. But because it was a closed
• 52:36
  system and then the documents are in Romanian and not English,
• 52:40
  the Tate brothers have been able to exploit that by just lying is
• 52:44
  the truth. Just they lie very forcefully
• 52:46
  and confidently and it would be a lot of trouble to Fact Check
• 52:50
  them. And so many people don't and are
• 52:53
  persuaded by the lies. So that's a big part of it.
• 52:57
  Luckily, there have been some diligent journalists and even
• 53:00
  sort of citizen Twitter journalists who have gotten the
• 53:02
  truth out there. And so that the fact that that
• 53:05
  is lies is becoming more and more apparent.
• 53:07
  But I think that is what they've done is they've been able to
• 53:10
  just lie about their case because the information isn't
• 53:14
  freely available. So how those, the communications
• 53:18
  that I read, which include communications where the tapes,
• 53:21
  you know, allegedly are saying, you know, and again, this is a
• 53:25
  presumably from text messages taken from the Romanian case.
• 53:27
  But it appears that they're saying, you know, we want to get
• 53:30
  that extra 2010% off of the 5050 deal with these girls and we're
• 53:34
  going to tell them that it's taxes and we're going to pocket
• 53:37
  the money. I mean, you're, they're
• 53:38
  literally admitting to doing this, taking this additional
• 53:41
  money and, and misleading the women that they're, you know,
• 53:44
  working with on only fans. Those text messages are
• 53:49
  available for Americans to read if they look for them.
• 53:53
  How? How did those become available
• 53:55
  for people to see? Well that I mean, Andrew has
• 54:00
  publicly said that in his webcam course he taught men to tell the
• 54:05
  women that you're going to give her 50% but only give her
• 54:10
  whatever it is 40%. And if she questions you on it,
• 54:13
  lie to her and tell her it's taxes.
• 54:16
  Even print out a fake form and just give it to her and tell her
• 54:19
  it's taxes. And then he says that's even
• 54:21
  another method of control because taxes seems complicated.
• 54:25
  So she'll feel she needs to rely on you to take care of those
• 54:27
  things. Meanwhile, he's not paying taxes
• 54:29
  and opening her up to liability for that.
• 54:31
  But that is something that's available in his webcam course
• 54:34
  that anyone could watch on Rumble right now.
• 54:37
  And that wasn't a influencer TikTok video.
• 54:43
  That was a course that he sold for money.
• 54:46
  So he can't say that that is just offensive speech or just
• 54:50
  playing a role because he charged people for it.
• 54:52
  So either that was fraudulent that he was making himself out
• 54:55
  to be an expert and charging for his expertise, or it is what it
• 54:59
  is. How do you think the
• 55:01
  conservative misunderstanding about this case and then some of
• 55:05
  these conservative podcasters, whether it's Tucker Carlson,
• 55:08
  Candace Owens, even Benny Johnson recently had a very
• 55:11
  softball positive interview with Andrew Tate in the last, I
• 55:14
  think, month or so. How do you think that that is
• 55:17
  impacting the victims? It's been so frightening.
• 55:20
  I at least can say for Jane Doe, if she feels powerless, that
• 55:24
  they're so well connected to famous people, how could she
• 55:29
  ever get out from under their grip, right?
• 55:32
  Because they're trying to sue her.
• 55:33
  They actually tried to criminally prosecute her in
• 55:35
  Romania and they were unsuccessful.
• 55:37
  They've been relentlessly trying to silence her.
• 55:40
  And it sends a message to all the other victims, you better
• 55:43
  not say anything about us or this is what's going to happen
• 55:46
  to you. And the Romanian government even
• 55:49
  has multiple statements from victims that the Tay brothers
• 55:54
  tried to pay them off. The 15 year old victim of Andrew
• 55:57
  Tate said he offered her specific amount of money for her
• 56:00
  to only give positive testimony. Similarly, Tristan has a charge
• 56:03
  for trying to influence victims. So they're charged with trying
• 56:07
  to influence victims in Romania. And now we see this behavior
• 56:10
  here in America. I think the reality is most
• 56:13
  conservative people are appalled by the Tate brothers, care about
• 56:18
  human trafficking and can easily see that this is credible
• 56:23
  evidence potentially of them committing trafficking and are
• 56:26
  supportive of the prosecution. And we saw that with Ron de
• 56:29
  Santis's response and with AG Oothmeyer's response.
• 56:32
  But the problem is, like Epstein, Andrew and Tristan Tate
• 56:36
  have friends in high places. And So what we're seeing is they
• 56:39
  have friends in high places who are wielding a perception of
• 56:45
  even greater influence than they have.
• 56:47
  So when they get Tucker Carlson or Candace Owens to support
• 56:50
  them, then it looks like that's how the whole conservative
• 56:54
  movement feels. But I don't believe that's true.
• 56:58
  But we need to push back against that kind of corruption.
• 57:01
  I mean, that's what we were all upset about with Epstein is that
• 57:06
  his friends knew what he was doing and they covered up for
• 57:09
  him. He was prosecuted back in 2008,
• 57:13
  I think because again, Florida, the state of Florida, all these
• 57:17
  young girls, they actually were prosecuting him.
• 57:20
  And then the federal government through a friend of Epstein,
• 57:24
  intervened in the case and got him a sweetheart deal, right?
• 57:28
  And then he was able to freely continue his exploitation till
• 57:31
  he's finally caught in 2018 and died.
• 57:35
  He was never convicted. We don't say innocent to proven
• 57:37
  guilty With Epstein. We know exactly what he's done.
• 57:40
  So we can't make that same mistake.
• 57:43
  The tape brothers deserve due process and they should get
• 57:45
  that. But what they are trying to do
• 57:47
  is avoid process. They're trying to avoid
• 57:50
  investigation. They're saying we're above being
• 57:53
  investigated when there's over 40 victims across multiple
• 57:57
  countries with right testimony about the abuse they've
• 58:00
  suffered. We can't let that happen.
• 58:03
  Danny, thank you so much for speaking with me and sharing
• 58:08
  your view of these things. I think it's incredibly
• 58:10
  important and I will, I hope that the justice will be had
• 58:14
  here and I appreciate your willingness to stand up for
• 58:18
  victims, especially those that are facing so much hate and
• 58:23
  attack, including from some on the conservative side.
• 58:27
  Well, thank you for doing the story.
• 58:28
  I know you were threatened as well, but we need courageous
• 58:31
  voices telling the truth and talking about this.
• 58:34
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