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Empowered Presence: Harnessing Energy, Words, And Inner Voice For Personal Growth With Thom Walters · Mindful You

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Alan Carroll: Hello, everybody. And welcome to the mindful you
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podcast. And today is part two, of a conversation that I had
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with Tom Walters, who was a long time meditator, a longtime
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teacher of meditation, a long time healer to reduce the human
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human suffering that people experience with that monkey mind
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stirring around inside their head, reacting to everything,
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and agitating everything and creating stress, rather than to
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be in a more relaxed, balanced, calm, still state of
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consciousness as you ride the waves of life in this world in
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which we live. And today, we continued our conversation about
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meditation, we continued our conversation about the benefits
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of meditation. And one of the things that I really liked that
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came out of the conversation was the awareness that there is a
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space between the sounds that you speak. And his mother told
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him as a young child, that that space between the words that you
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speak that space of silence, emptiness is the source of
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power, and the source of energy that illuminates those words,
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those sounds, that you want to have impact when you speak. And
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of course, I'm in the pausing business, and the creating gaps
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between the sound business. So I was just tickled when he talked
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about his mother telling him that that was a valuable thing
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to become aware of. And so please welcome Tom Walters, back
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to the mindful you podcast, as we continue our exploration,
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into the adventures of Khan of consciousness, and the
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adventures of mindfulness. Please welcome Tom Walters. It's
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nice to have a structured practice, given by a guru
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through initiation. He just has a little firmer, firmer ground
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kind of feeling underneath it. And one of the parts of the
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practice that I really like is the Sonia practice. And Sonia is
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for 16 minutes, you close your eyes, and you have a mantra that
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he gives you. And everybody gets the same mantra, but you can
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never speak it out loud. So everybody does the same mantra.
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So similar, I think the TM, you have you have the mantra, and
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you say the mantra three times in the beginning. And then you
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let go the mantra and you're watching the thoughts. And every
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time you catch yourself with the thought you say the mantra. And
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then you'll notice that you take in life support off of the
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thought you put the life support over on the mantra, the thought
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that you were thinking fades away. So you keep keep doing it
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for 60 minutes, and you get practicing how to make thoughts.
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Stay fade fade away. Right? And most people can't make thoughts
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fade away. Because the thought is who I am. And if it fades
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away, then that's suicide.
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Thom Walters: I disappear. Like yeah, I
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Alan Carroll: disappear. And I'm not into disappearing business.
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Tom, I'm in the appearing business. Survival business
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baby. I'm not in the dead business. I'm here.
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Thom Walters: It's so true. That is so true. Like, Oh, I gotta be
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Tom, male, Italian meditator and like all these things that
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categorizations Benny, those go away. I disappear. Like, no, you
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don't guess what you're here for the long haul. Might not be in
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this but you're here for the long haul.
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Alan Carroll: I use the analogy of light bulbs. Talking to a
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bald headed blue light bulb and you're talking to a bald headed
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red light bulb. Right and it looks like the light bulbs are
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different, but the energy that illuminates the light bulbs is
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the same energy and as you begin to meditate, you begin to feel
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the energy. You begin to feel the pulse seating. I mean, I
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feel in my hands right now I feel the pulsation of the, of
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the energy of the field of energy around me. And so I'm a
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big fan of that embody stuff, right? And when I train I, why
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am I living by training speakers. And when I train
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speakers, I point out only one thing. And for two days, three
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days, all we do is the one thing is to be able to realize that
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there is a, there's a space between the sound you just made.
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And the next sound, and amateur speakers, there's no realization
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that there's a space. So when you listen to the amateur
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speakers, there's no empty spaces at all, between the
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sounds, and if there's no empty space, you can't breathe, you
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can't, can't breathe. But if I create the empty space, I can
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take them big, fancy breaths here we're talking about, right?
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Most people can't, you know, they can't create them big fancy
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breaths.
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Thom Walters: I love the fact that you are able to in the work
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that you do bring speakers to the awareness of energy, because
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any speaker who's been speaking for a while or is is proficient
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at speaking, knows that the gaps between the words are just as
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powerful as the words themselves. And you know, people
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that have just started speaking, they're like, Oh, I got to speak
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for five minutes. That doesn't mean five minutes without taking
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a break. That means you're imparting something. You have
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five minutes, and you're going to explain something. But you
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can explain it. By taking breaths, you can explain it by
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putting a gap in between sentences. And it will amp up or
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magnify some of those thoughts, or some of those words that
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you're saying. So yeah, Billy, it's so funny because I used to
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be the I used to be the Toastmaster president of our
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chapter here in Nashua, New Hampshire. And one of the things
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that I learned way back in the day was a long time ago, was
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about that gap. Because I used to be that guy was just like,
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my, I think my when I first started before as president,
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they're like, Dude, you're like a caged Tiger. Just going back
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and forth, back and forth. Just were like, just relax, like,
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well, that's funny that people should tell me to. But I get it.
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I absolutely, totally 100% get it. So yeah, way back in the
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day, my speaking evolves so, so well, or so much because of
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those gaps. And understanding that, obviously, you take out
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the filler words, but also just give people that space to feel
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the energy of the words and just take in everything, the verbal
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and the nonverbal all that is what makes a good speakers,
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speakers, obviously, you know, better than anyone of course,
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thinking
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Alan Carroll: in the energies a nice way of describing is it's
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not taking in the word Well, I don't like the word taking the
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energy as well. I guess I can take in the energy it's because
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I'm not busy labeling the the, the meaning of the word that
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you're giving me or the meaning of the vibration? Really, it's
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just a vibration. You're blowing out like bubbles. Yeah,
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absolutely. Like I blow soap bubbles. So those are like the
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words that I speak. And the analogy in my mind is scuba
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diving off the coast of Lanai and crystal clear water about 50
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feet underneath. And you blow bubbles, and you watch the
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bubbles go to the surface. And and the bubble exists within an
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infinite sea of ocean of emptiness. And the bubbles that
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you speak. Where did they come from? And where are those
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bubbles of sound go?
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Thom Walters: Right?
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Alan Carroll: Where did the bubbles of sound that I'm
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bubbling now? What was there before I bubble the sound?
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Thom Walters: What a wonderful analogy.
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Alan Carroll: I can I can hear oh, there's nothing there.
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There's it's emptiness. It's silence. Yep. Is stillness.
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Yeah. So in your speaking, you can create little gaps of
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stillness that allows you to access that the power of the
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resource of stillness while I'm articulating the thoughts that
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I'm speaking into the outer world and to me it's like having
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a a direct connection to power that most people don't have
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connections to because for too busy making sounds and not and
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not rare. realizing that the gaps you were talking about are,
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are more important than the sound because the gaps is the
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space of nothingness out of which creation comes. Right?
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That makes sense that you talked about creation a lot?
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Thom Walters: Oh, yeah. Oh, absolutely, it does. And my mom
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used to say, it's, it's not the words, it's the power and the
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energy behind the words. And obviously, that's kind of what
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we were talking about as well. And also thinking to that, when
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we have that stillness, when we have those gaps, when we are
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speaking, then people have a moment to kind of be back in
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that cocoon that I was talking about. I mean, if you're talking
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or speaking, without taking any brass or like any gaps, then
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people are just really not. I mean, yes, you can be impactful.
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But the, it's like those thoughts that keep coming and
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coming, just like, and you don't know that they're hitting you
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until they stop. And same thing with a gap when we're speaking.
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If you're constantly speaking, then people just like words,
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words, words, words, and they're like, kind of feeling it. But
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when you take when you make a statement, or elucidate
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something, and then take a pause, that people are like,
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okay, now I know what he or she's talking about, let me just
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let me just bring in that energy of what they're trying to convey
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to me, not what the words per se, but with the energy as well.
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And so the words, the gaps, the energy, they all coincide to
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make the experience that powerful, and that palpable, and
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it can't be that powerful, that palpable without those gaps. And
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that's, I mean, that's the very nature of meditation as well.
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When we are waking up, we're just thinking all day, just
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like, ah, like, they got a gap, like, okay, there's stillness.
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Nobody's yelling at me. I don't hear anything. God's beautiful.
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There's the world is out there. And it's beautiful. And it's out
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there, and that's fine. But the word within me is expanding. And
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it's experiencing silence and stillness. And it's just, God,
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it's such a beautiful, beautiful thing to hear nothing. Oh, that
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was little transcended
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Alan Carroll: is the truth. You recently I was talking to folks
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are talking about higher vibration. And thinking that the
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Spirit the soul, the being is a higher vibration versus a lower
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vibration? A, I need to acquire things to make me happy, I need
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to realize things are the source of unhappiness, I need to I need
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to let go of my desire for whatever that is. And well, what
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do I Well, what can I do about that? Well, you can take a look
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at what's a higher vibration. And so when you are articulating
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a very rarefied air of articulation of the divinity of
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a divine abstraction. It's just a treasure. And, and because
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I've the gap is my business. Because I, I've watched speakers
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for 40 years around the world 1000s of training people, and
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not one. Not one is aware that there's a gap between the sounds
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that they speak, and why do I just point out and then we train
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them to, to create the gaps themselves? Right, and the gaps
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are a source of healing. And so you get to be a transpersonal
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psychologist, like when I am an educational transparent
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psychologist, we heal people trans personally, by having them
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create those empty gaps. Pauses because when you do if the wave
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of relaxation flows through your body, you can feel it right now.
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Absolutely can and and the speaker's the amateur speakers,
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I use the analogy that you're feeding them food, and you can
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overflow. The food is wonderful. I mean, it's high quality and
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filet mignon, whatever you want to eat, right? You can't eat Oh,
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were you like chipmunks, your chipmunks full of nuts. You
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can't swallow. They're great nuts. I want more than that. But
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give me a second to swallow and digest. Okay. Exactly,
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Thom Walters: exactly. And that's what that gap does,
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obviously, among many things, obviously. And the thing that
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we're banding about is just that energy. And with that gap,
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there's just people think, to your point and to what you're
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talking about so articulately is that, like that words are
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everything, if I want to get my point across, I have to just
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were like, No, you have to speak, let it sit, let it
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digest, let it be felt. And then, you know, find another
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thought or continue on with that thought, just give people a
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chance to breathe between the words that you're speaking, have
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them, wash over them. And they can't feel that washing over and
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like, so if you're on the beach, talk about another analogy. So
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if you're at the beach, you're on the shore, and the waves are
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coming in, the waves come and they go back. They come and they
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go back. But that's on the shore, imagine you're like,
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right at that crashing point. And like, we've all been at the
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beach, where it's like, you know, a wave hitch. And if
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somebody is speaking, it's like those, and not taking those
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breaks. It's like waves hitting you every time you're like, I
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want to swim, but it's just, this is beautiful. But but if
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you're on the shore, and you're having that washer water over
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you, and then recede, wash over you and then recede, it's just
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so much more powerful.
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Alan Carroll: Now, life is awesome. The the, the flow out
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the flow in a cycle, back and forth, right, right forth. And
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what happens is, some people are looking at suffering and
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suffering is that you have decided that this is the
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direction I want to go, I don't want to go in the other
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direction, I don't want, I don't want to let go, I want to I want
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to acquire stuff. It's about more Tom, it's not about less.
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And so I don't want to let go. And it happens is that the
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tension becomes the psychological tension become
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such that, then you're with a little help from your soul and
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guidance, I imagine, direct you in the direction of a wake up as
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the I Am, I didn't know I was asleep. But I when I began to
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have these experiences that caused me to ask a question that
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there has to be something better than this. And so then you're a
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seeker.
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Thom Walters: And then you realize, too, that there is
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something better than this. And it's been with you all along to
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your point. I mean, it's just changing that perspective. And,
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I mean, I get it, because like, I think many times are one of
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the things I talked about, that we just talked about on the show
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is just like, you wake up your entire world saying, Get more,
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get more, get more, you don't have get more, get more, get
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more, get more, and you're like, okay, okay. And so, you know,
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two different ways of being, there's a human self that says,
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Get get get, I need more, I don't have enough, I gotta get
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this, gotta get that I got to be happy about this got to be happy
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with that. And there's another part of us says, chuck that
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shit, you're fine. You're fine right now, regardless of whether
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you have everything or nothing, you have everything. What you
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are, is divine light, you are just transcendent. And our
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society tells us every day just like consume get more. And if we
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don't have that bubble that I was talking about, man that
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could rip through a psyche that could rip through a body like a
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hot knife through butter, and it does for many people, like they
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have many illnesses and challenges and like, life isn't
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gonna be without challenges. I mean, we both know that we're
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old, we're old enough to know that life isn't gonna be without
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challenges. But one of the things I always talk about, and
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I catch myself with the help of my guides to it's like, every
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now and then it's very, it's the default or it's the exception,
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but like, she's a shitty day. And then I hear my guides
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saying, No, those words will keep it going. I'm like, thanks,
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guys got it.
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Alan Carroll: It's a beautiful life, you're pointing to
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something that I want to underline is that there are what
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in psychosynthesis we say that there are 12 or so, sub
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personalities are like instruments in the in the
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orchestra and the conductor is the higher self and all the
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instruments are playing their own sort of tune. And the tunes
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are the problem is that you have some instruments which are
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liberal and some instruments that are are not liberal. Right,
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conservative conservative, right. Both have their own
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needs. And I want this to survive. No, I want this to
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survive. I. So now we have a conflict between between the
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two. So psycho synthesis is the is the realization that you got
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to two voices in this situation, and you give airtime to each
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voice and allows the voice to ventilate and share itself and
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you observe it. You can't do it unless you unless you've built
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the witness and the observer, part of your of your awareness.
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Absolutely serve you. You can have them you can have them
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share their stories. You can have them laugh. Thank you for
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sharing. I appreciate but now's not the exact time wants you to
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do they just file that one away. Good. Now I can manage the
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thoughts. Yep. And I learned to manage thoughts with the the
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Sonia meditation where you begin to realize that and Eckhart
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Tolle said it's so wonderfully the thought you think if you
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give the thought the attention, you give it life support, the
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thought will exist and get bigger and bigger and bigger and
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bigger. Or you can somehow focus your thoughts over here. And
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then all of a sudden those thoughts over there fade away?
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Yeah. And that is the value of meditation is the ability to
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manage the the Linde realization, that is a
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possibility. Yeah,
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Thom Walters: that's a huge thing that
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Alan Carroll: I can I can I can walk with my thoughts, then. And
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you said a lot of times it goes back to the breath. It's the
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ability to manage the breath. Because to cut you got to be
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awake in order to tell the body to take a deeper breath. To do
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that, to tell the body Hey, body. There you go. Um, you're
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under my control. I'm not under your damn control. I control.
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Right.
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Thom Walters: Exactly, exactly. And it's I mean, that's one of
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the things I tell my students too is like, you're you can only
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have one thought at a time. Many people like No, dude, I've got
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like 10,000 thoughts. I might really think two of them right
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now. Oh, okay. You're bouncing back and forth, like
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nanoseconds, and you think you got 10,000 thoughts in your
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head. But you can only have one thought in your mind at a time.
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So when you get a thought, acknowledge it. Hey, thought,
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thanks. Cool. I'm gonna change my thought. And I could bring it
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back to my breath. When you bring that focus back to your
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breath, that focus that thought of breath, then to your point,
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it's like, Where'd that go? Where did it go? Oh, okay, cool.
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Then I forget.
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Alan Carroll: I've actually forgot it's gone now. Yeah, I'm
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over here. And then when I take my ball off my meditation, my
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breathing or whatever tool I'm using to anchor myself in the
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moment, right I went to is I got caught by a thought, a train of
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thought, and how long I stay on that train of thought, depends
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on how strong the muscle is to distrain yourself from the train
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of thought. And I find that the more I meditate, the quicker I
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notice. The boat has capsized. Catch right sided up. If we
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don't train the boat capsized the entire life in the this, we
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want to practice getting it well. What does that mean?
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Stillness, brain, no agitation. Everything just is so non
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judgmental. Everything just is which in the Course of Miracles,
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which I've been doing for a couple of years now. Oh, wow.
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The very first very first lesson is that, look at everything that
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you see all the pictures and all the ideas and all the objects
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and all the things in your reality, and say to yourself
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that nothing I see has any meaning. And, and the second
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lesson is looking at everything that you see a dotted, dotted,
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dotted die, your pictures of your family, everything that you
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see, and realize that you paint the meaning of everything that
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you see. So obviously, yeah, let's do number one. And
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practice that. You're in a you're in that neutrality zone
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you talked about? Yeah,
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Thom Walters: absolutely. I remember when I was younger,
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getting back to what I was saying before, like, I'd be
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getting all ramped up about something that might fall over
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or brand be getting all wrapped up about something. My mom would
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just like, sweetheart, just take a nice deep breath. And like,
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let's take a nice deep breath. I'm like, why am I trying to get
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my self ramped up in that space? And I took that took those
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breaths, and she'd say, Sweetheart, you don't need to
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get all wrapped up about anything. It's all an illusion.
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And that's when I first thought she's like, this lady has lost
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us
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Alan Carroll: money. But what a blessing to have a such a
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powerful influence on your life. Speaking those words exactly.
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Whether you were a good soul or something happened that you
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incarnated in that in that family,
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Thom Walters: I just gonna say karmically, I must have done
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something really good, because, yeah, but both my mom and dad My
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mom passed away about seven years ago. My dad's still with
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us. I still talked my mom my meditations, obviously why
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should say obviously, but I still talk to my mom I got
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meditations in the wisdom is still just as flowing as before,
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but this time I get it. So I like that. Sometimes I don't,
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I'll be like, Mom, can you say that? Again? I don't know if I
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caught that.
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Alan Carroll: Like, the flowing is a good word to describe. I
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did a some work with some folks in Sedona, and a lot of them
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were talking about channeling and channeling and channeling
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and psychics and channeling and, and I say well, yeah, that's
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that I believe it'd be true. However, I'm not, I'm not
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someone who can channel anything. And then you begin to
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meditate. And you're having these conversations with your
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mother. Well, who knows where your mother is, are the energy
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that your mother represents. If we live in a timeless space,
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maybe it's there all the time. And so you can actually have
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compensate, but it requires the to be able to create that mirror
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of everything just is not a right or wrong. Everything just
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is that neutral space. And that's a challenge. Oh, yeah,
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absolutely wrong. I'll tell you, that's wrong. Don't try to erase
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that in my memory. Because I know that that is wrong. Son of
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a bitch. So you got people who really clean to the to the
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meaning of the reality in which they live.
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Thom Walters: Exactly. And at their point, I'm like, there is
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no reality. That's the reality that you create. And I mean, my
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mom has told me time and time again, try to explain it. Like
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when I first heard her voice, like after she died, there's
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like a year and a half that I didn't hear a voice. And then in
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a meditation, I heard her voice. And I thought, I'm like, I'm
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going crazy. I'm like, I just miss my mom so much, even after
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a year and a half that I'm hearing her voice her. And she's
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like, do you think you're going crazy? Like, I don't. She's
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like, then you're not. She's like, she tried to explain to me
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and I still don't get it. She's like, I no longer have a
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physical form. I am love. I am nothing but love now. But you're
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able to contact me and get in touch with me because you know,
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the time is not linear. So there is a vestige of me that is still
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alive in this moment. Because this moment isn't the present
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moment. It's all moments. So even though I have transcended
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physicality, I am still here, because there's an aspect of
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time where I am still existing. And I'm like, Mom, mom, it's
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it's confusing. She's like, Well, don't worry about it,
27:53
sweetheart. Just Just enjoy the moment like, gotcha. So do I
28:01
understand it? No, is it real? Most? Most assuredly, it is so.
28:06
And there's great value in the wisdom that my mom sends to me,
28:11
sporadically. Sometimes we get caught up in my human stuff, and
28:14
like, yeah, I gotta get this done. And then other times, it's
28:17
like, do you like, God? I am a lucky lucky man. And it's that
28:25
it's that understanding of grace and fortune that I do what I do,
28:30
and I'm sure that it's kind of the same way with you, Mike. My
28:33
life is just such a gift. I'm like, I can't keep this to
28:35
myself, Mike, if there's a way to have people move in, really,
28:40
and transform their lives to something that they didn't even
28:43
know existed, Mike? Yeah, if that's your path that we're
28:47
gonna meet, or you're gonna meet anybody who can help you
28:49
understand that? That's awesome. And if I can be that, or if
28:53
anybody can make if I can help you get in touch with a part of
28:56
you. That is timeless. That is powerful, that is divine. That
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creates days that are just sublime then yeah, I'll do that.
29:06
Am I gonna be able to take care your pain like no, I can't do
29:08
that. Nobody can do that. Do I know you Mike? I don't know you
29:11
from Adam. But you know you and you know who you are and you
29:15
know the wisdom and guidance and divinity that you are and and if
29:19
you can get in touch with that then this walk on this earth is
29:22
just going to be a walk in the park
29:26
Alan Carroll: it's a walk in the park in to me, is that you? You
29:36
don't resist what is right. And, and you you're more like a
29:44
willow tree that opens up to the resistance and and opens up and
29:49
lets the air you know, flow flow through you so you don't you
29:53
don't you don't know what's there. Yeah. And then you sort
29:56
of discover that. You have a hand too. In the creation of
30:01
that resistance, and that when you when you begin to notice
30:05
that the resistance is composed of thoughts and and I can then
30:11
take a look at that great Drano commercial, where they had the
30:15
gunk in the s pipe. And they had the Drano Of course, and incur
30:20
golden girl golden girl in a little bit dropped off, this
30:23
went a little bit more dropped off. And then all of a sudden
30:25
there was enough going on. And the whole thing just flowed
30:28
right through in the water, clear clean water can flow
30:31
through and you felt so good. And you went out and bought that
30:34
drain up. That's the that's the idea. It's the idea that there's
30:39
gunk in the pipes, which are simply things, things are bad
30:43
things. There's just things in the pipe. And as you aerate the
30:47
pipe through split, creating spaces at Air rates, it loosens
30:51
the gunk and then the gunk flows through. And then the wonderful
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Buddhist fellow said, You bless all the thoughts and let them
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go. Bless them all. Yeah. Bless them all, let him go. And then
31:09
you have that gratitude, that grateful that that absolute
31:14
forgiveness of sin. That that is the source of salvation, that
31:19
forgiveness of sin, things that you have painted on the picture
31:23
that are so important, are things in your life that you
31:26
have to forgive whoever was involved in the creation of that
31:30
brown spot on the painting in the museum and the Louvre in
31:33
Paris. Yeah, exactly. Who is that? What is that? What
31:38
grievances do you hold against that person? Which is causing
31:42
you to hold the cannon ball in the middle of the ocean? Yeah.
31:45
Thom Walters: Oh, is that was that serving you? The what?
31:48
Yeah. Like, how is that serving you? I mean, I thought about
31:51
that, too. It's like people like holding a grudge. Oh, my guess
31:54
what the person you're holding a grudge with? They don't even
31:57
know what what that you exist. They're like, you go to bed like
32:00
that son of a bitch. I swear to God, I go
32:09
as a guy that you're thinking about, is holding on to that.
32:12
I'm like, Oh, let it go. Let it go.
32:16
Alan Carroll: You have to be aware that it's there in the
32:18
first place. That
32:19
Thom Walters: it that's a that's a huge, huge point to make.
32:22
Yeah, some people like that. It's serving to hold on to it.
32:25
Like why? And but they without that stillness without this
32:28
face, they will never know. What if it's serving or not, but on
32:32
served who
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Alan Carroll: I am. That's, that's why I'm holding on to it.
32:35
It happened. We're not we're not talking not makeup. Tom did
32:41
happen. It's happened to me. And I'm not gonna forget it that's
32:45
embedded in my mind. So so we're not letting go nothing that it's
32:50
been. And that's the that's the challenge that the ego has. But
32:54
you have to be able to realize that. Whether you like it or
32:59
not, you're responsible. And you got to change the painting in
33:04
your mind. Yep, absolutely. Absolutely. And that means you
33:07
got to at least you have to start with the forgiveness of
33:10
sin. That person that guilty. That, of course, is a projection
33:14
of your own sin. But the forgiveness of sin, the more
33:16
loving you are, The kinder you are to yourself. As those voices
33:21
came up you were talking to you spoke with compassion and love
33:24
rather than judging. Yeah, exactly. And so the voices are
33:28
still there. But you were there like friends, they become as
33:32
actually they become assets. Oh, yeah. They represent energy they
33:36
represent paint on the painting that you can use when you need
33:39
to use the conservative and you can use the liberal paint when
33:43
it's when it's appropriate, based on what does God wants you
33:46
to do in this moment. Right
33:48
Thom Walters: and here to have the ability to hear like, you
33:51
know, through all the noise and chaos of the world, just like
33:54
what's true for me and me, but what is what is going to be the
34:00
most serving energy to propagate? Can I live in? Do I
34:06
want to live in hate anger and frustration? Those are dense,
34:09
dense, dense, dense, heavy, heavy, heavy or deep. Like, no,
34:13
that's not me. That's not me. I can see that. And I can
34:18
acknowledge that, that I can either empower that or
34:20
disempower that. And know that I mean, one of the things I talk
34:24
about on the show all the time is like, hey, you know, tell
34:26
people I think it was uncommon five, my other show, I'm like,
34:30
could you kill somebody? And most people are like, Oh my god,
34:33
I could never ever kill a person like, you could? Absolutely you
34:37
could, I could, you could. It's part of our nature. Or it could
34:42
be part of our nature. We empower different thoughts. It's
34:46
not they don't exist, the the ability to hurt or to kill
34:51
everything that is part of us. All all of it exists within us.
34:56
We just have to, for whatever reason, whether it be up what
35:00
have you, for us? Hopefully it's a meditation practice, or is
35:03
meditation prayer for like, what's going to be serving for
35:05
me? Could I kill person? Yes, but that's not who I am. That's,
35:09
that will not serve me it will go against the very nature of
35:12
who I am, we all have a shadow. And the more we try and push it
35:15
down, shove it down, like no, no, no, that's not me. And like,
35:18
the more it's gonna come back. So it's like, Yes, I am capable
35:21
of anything. But I choose light. And I choose love. And I choose
35:24
compassion, and I always will.
35:28
Alan Carroll: And the choice you need to be able to see two
35:34
options, right? And most people, there's no damn two options,
35:39
there's my option. And now I do it is the way Yeah, which is my
35:44
way. Right. And it's also written in the good book. I'm
35:50
talking about what Jesus told me, or what Muhammad told me, or
35:53
what Buddha told me, I'm talking about what's in the book, as I
35:57
speak for the book. And so they use the credibility in their in
36:05
their speaking,
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Thom Walters: right, right.
36:08
Alan Carroll: So I've just got carried away there, but you're
36:13
on the money you are,
36:15
Thom Walters: you are absolutely
36:18
Alan Carroll: in a boat. And it boils down to that ability to
36:21
choose the ability to wake up and that and there's two or more
36:31
trains of thought that I can get on right now. Go to a 37, I can
36:37
go to station over here, I can go to this station. And I say to
36:41
myself, well, if I wanted love and joy and happiness in my
36:45
life, which train of thought would be the train that I'd like
36:48
to rock, this is the train of joy and bliss and happiness. So
36:52
I used to ride that train of that, that thought and it
36:56
discovers is that I can do that by becoming more mindful. And
37:07
meditation is a form of fundamental mindfulness. Take
37:12
technique, absolutely. And what I discovered is it by just
37:17
pausing between the sounds consciously, you become the
37:27
space which could which has the thing rather than the thing
37:31
itself. Right? Right, you then realize that the choice of it is
37:36
either either you are the space, you are the space of you are the
37:41
space that contains everything, or you're just something in the
37:45
space of the all know, you are the all that contains
37:47
everything, rather than death or something in the space of the
37:50
all, exam. So you are in we are our energy are in the space of
37:55
the all. And what does that mean? What's the all of the all
37:59
is, is? What would they all be? The all would be God, God's
38:04
stand for what God's good person for sure. And God's God speaks
38:09
for love, God's God's would be loving and creation and all
38:12
those things and, and so then I can, rather than what God can do
38:19
for me, it's what I can do for God. And what can I do for God?
38:22
Well allow God to speak through me. Don't ask God what he can do
38:27
for you. But what can you do for God? God cannot do for you what
38:31
God cannot do through you. So allow yourself to, to speak.
38:39
Speaks speak as if you were speaking from a divine place.
38:46
What does that mean?
38:50
Thom Walters: That we're just gonna say, the answer is in
38:52
there, all you got to do is just quiet yourself.
38:56
Alan Carroll: And then show other people how to get
38:59
themselves quiet. Right? So when events happen in the big movie,
39:05
they are able to capture the thinking that's going on right
39:14
now about what they're seeing and experiencing. And they're
39:17
able to capture, the emotion that's going on was is connected
39:22
with the thinking. And so now you have the thinking going on
39:26
and the emotion going on. And then and then you become aware
39:29
of the tension in the body that you now have, why you are
39:33
experiencing these emotions and springs into thinking and then
39:37
you start taking a deep breath. And at that point, rather than
39:41
to pursue this place, can you disconnect and take a deep
39:46
breath and works every time? Yeah. Don't have the ability to
39:54
do that because they haven't trained themselves. Now.
39:57
Thom Walters: They just let life wash over. For good or bad, I
40:02
like create my life. That's that worked for me. And sometimes I
40:05
just let life create itself. I'm like, Cool,
40:07
Alan Carroll: universe,
40:08
Thom Walters: whatever you got for me. Show me something
40:09
different. Some show me joy today. And it never disappoints.
40:14
It never disappoint. You can talk
40:16
Alan Carroll: to the universe, as if the universe and you are
40:21
good friends. And you can ask the universe to give you things
40:28
because you and the universe are the same, I suppose in this
40:32
world of everything. You're just talking to yourself. What do you
40:36
want? Absolutely.
40:38
Thom Walters: Absolutely.