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Hunter Indicted! DOJ Covers Up for Joe Biden & FBI Stonewalls Congress · The Ben Ferguson Podcast

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Speaker 1: Welcome its verdict. Was Senator Ted Cruz Ben Ferguson with you,
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Speaker 1: and we have got two major stories that we're going
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Speaker 1: to have to deal with. One of them deals with
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Speaker 1: Hunter Biden and dited on nine tax related charges, three
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Speaker 1: of them felonies, and we're going to break down these
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Speaker 1: charges for you so that you understand exactly what's happening
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Speaker 1: with that. Also, there was a very interesting questioning that
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Speaker 1: took place in the judiciary of the FBI Director, Chrisopher Ray,
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Speaker 1: and there was some pretty intense back and force between
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Speaker 1: Senator Cruz and the FBI director.
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Speaker 2: We're going to run through all of that for you
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Speaker 2: as well.
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Speaker 1: But Senator, we were not expecting this headline that Hunter
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Speaker 1: Biden would be indicted on nine tax related charges, three
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Speaker 1: of them felonies. This is obviously significant, especially when they
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Speaker 1: thought they were going to have this sweetheart plea deal
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Speaker 1: that the last second exploded because of whistleblowers.
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Speaker 2: So how promising is this.
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Speaker 1: It's a fifty six page indictment filed and I don't
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Speaker 1: record in LA something that's never happened before, or is
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Speaker 1: this still going to be a big Well, yeah, we
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Speaker 1: indict in but he's still going to get a sweetheart deal.
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Speaker 3: What's your reaction, Well, listen when you say we were
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Speaker 3: not expecting this indictment. I don't think that's entirely accurate.
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Speaker 3: Once the sweetheart plea deal collapsed, and it collapsed because
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Speaker 3: there was public scrutiny. It collapsed because the IRS whistleblowers
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Speaker 3: came forward. It collapsed because the House representatives held hearings.
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Speaker 3: It collapsed because the federal district judge realized that signing
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Speaker 3: off on this sweetheart deal would profoundly compromise the integrity
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Speaker 3: of the court system. Once it collapsed, a larger indictment
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Speaker 3: was much much more likely. This indictment that came down
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Speaker 3: yesterday is nine different counts. It includes failure to file
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Speaker 3: and pay taxes, It includes evasion of assessment, and it
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Speaker 3: includes a false or fraudulent tax return. Three of the
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Speaker 3: nine counts are felonies, and according to the Special Council,
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Speaker 3: Hunter Biden quote engaged in a four year scheme to
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Speaker 3: not pay at least one point four million dollars in
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Speaker 3: taxes that he owed from twenty sixteen to twenty nineteen.
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Speaker 3: Now one point four million dollars is an awful lot
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Speaker 3: of money. Hunter Biden eventually did pay his taxes he
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Speaker 3: got a sweetheart loan from a quote friend, But before
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Speaker 3: he did so, according to the prosecutors, hunter Biden included
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Speaker 3: quote false business deductions in order to evade assessment of
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Speaker 3: taxes to reduce the substantial tax liabilities he faced. Prosecutors
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Speaker 3: also allege in the indictment that he quote subverted the
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Speaker 3: payroll in tax withholding process of his own company by
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Speaker 3: withdrawing millions of dollars outside of its payroll and tax
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Speaker 3: withholding process. The prosecutor is further alleged that hunter Biden
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Speaker 3: quote spent millions of dollars on an extravagant lifestyle rather
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Speaker 3: than paying his tax bills, and the indictment states that
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Speaker 3: between quote twenty sixteen in October fifteenth, twenty twenty, the
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Speaker 3: defendant that would be Hunter Biden, spent this money on drugs,
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Speaker 3: escorts and girlfriends, luxury hotels and rental properties, exotic cars, clothing,
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Speaker 3: and other items of a personal nature. In short, everything
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Speaker 3: but his taxes.
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Speaker 2: You look at that list that you just described there.
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Speaker 1: They knew all of this, we assume when they gave
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Speaker 1: him the sweetheart deal.
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Speaker 2: So how did we go?
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Speaker 1: And I think this is the part that's going to
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Speaker 1: frustrate so many people that are listening right now. How
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Speaker 1: did we go from a sweetheart deal to a fifties
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Speaker 1: six page indictment and an indictment where they couldn't in
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Speaker 1: theory get one before. And we can go back and
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Speaker 1: remind people about, you know, all of the shadiness of well,
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Speaker 1: can I get them to indict in Washington, d C?
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Speaker 1: Can I get them indict in California where some of
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Speaker 1: the crimes were committed. The statue of limitations was running
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Speaker 1: out on some of the most egregious tax crimes. But
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Speaker 1: to put it differently, maybe from what I said earlier,
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Speaker 1: I'm shocked at now that we're looking at a fifty
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Speaker 1: six page indictment filled with all of these different issues,
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Speaker 1: and it goes back to sixteen, seventeen, eighteen, and nineteen
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Speaker 1: taxes you know, on this timeline. But again, the statue
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Speaker 1: of limitations apparently on some of the worst stuff is
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Speaker 1: already you know, statues already hit.
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Speaker 2: So therefore we couldn't go back to those.
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Speaker 3: Now, Look, that's exactly right. These facts were all known.
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Speaker 3: They were known a year ago, they were known two
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Speaker 3: years ago, they were known three years ago. They were
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Speaker 3: known four years ago. The Department of Justices dragged its feet.
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Speaker 3: It has not wanted to bring this indictment the sweetheart deal.
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Speaker 3: They were prepared to get signed off and be done
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Speaker 3: and give Hunter Biden a complete get out of jail
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Speaker 3: free card. The piece they didn't count on was the
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Speaker 3: IRS whistleblowers coming forward and when they did so, when
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Speaker 3: they brought forth testimony that the Biden Department of Justice
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Speaker 3: was covering up for Hunter Biden, that the Attorney General
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Speaker 3: had lied to Congress under oath, which is a felony,
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Speaker 3: that the Attorney General had committed obstruction of justice, which
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Speaker 3: is a felony, And that in particular, the Department of
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Speaker 3: Justice had blocked investigation, any investigation into Joe Biden. That
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Speaker 3: puts so much pressure on the court that the court
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Speaker 3: could not sign off on the sweetheart deal. Now, I
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Speaker 3: want to address in a minute the issue of Joe Biden,
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Speaker 3: but let me just point out something extraordinary in this indictment.
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Speaker 3: So this indictment lists some of Hudder Biden's expenditures, and
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Speaker 3: when the prosecutors say he lived a lavish lifestyle, that
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Speaker 3: does not begin to describe it. So, for example, ATM
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Speaker 3: Cash withdraws. How much do you think he withdrew from
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Speaker 3: ATMs in twenty sixteen?
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Speaker 1: Knowing it's a hunter Biden, there's no telling because I
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Speaker 1: can see this guy going high as a kite up there,
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Speaker 1: for whatever nefarious reasons, grabbing as much cash out as
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Speaker 1: he can.
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Speaker 3: So the answer is two hundred thousand dollars and nine
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Speaker 3: hundred and twenty two dollars. Holy crap, two hundred grand.
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Speaker 3: You ever pulled two hundred grand out of an ATM?
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Speaker 2: No? I think my only course of YEARN on my
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Speaker 2: card is like five hundred bucks.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm confident I've never had a year in my
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Speaker 3: life that I pulled two hundred grand out of ATM.
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Speaker 3: All Right, so he pulled two hundred thousand, nine hundred
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Speaker 3: and twenty two dollars in twenty sixteen, how much do
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Speaker 3: you think he pulled out in twenty seventeen.
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Speaker 2: I'm assuming in the hundreds of thousands.
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Speaker 3: Again, five hundred and three thousand, six hundred and fourteen dollars.
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Speaker 1: Can we just talk about the cash aspect of that
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Speaker 1: for a second before you go to the next year's
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Speaker 1: five hundred thousand dollars of cash. Just having that much
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Speaker 1: cash in hand over a twelve months, he's more than
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Speaker 1: a thousand dollars, right, more than one thousand a day?
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Speaker 1: But what are you doing with that amount of cash?
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Speaker 1: And it goes back to suspicious activity reports of all
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Speaker 1: the bank accounts. Cash is king when you're doing I
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Speaker 1: legal activities. And that's why you might if.
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Speaker 3: You were buying drugs, if you were buying crack, if
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Speaker 3: you were paying prostitutes. That's how you spend five hundred
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Speaker 3: and three thousand, six hundred and fourteen dollars and twenty
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Speaker 3: seventeen now five hundred grand in ATMs. I actually think,
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Speaker 3: all right, so I'm fifty two, about to be fifty
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Speaker 3: three years old. I believe in my entire life from
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Speaker 3: birth to age fifty two, I don't think I've pulled
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Speaker 3: five hundred and three thousand dollars out of ATMs and
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Speaker 3: fifty three years I was shocked if I pulled that
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Speaker 3: much out.
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Speaker 1: I would be shocked if the average American pulls any
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Speaker 1: more than seven to eight nine grand a year out,
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Speaker 1: and that that would be I would think probably on
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Speaker 1: the high end, because most people.
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Speaker 3: To be honest, most shares I probably pulled. I don't
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Speaker 3: know two three thousand dollars out of ATM. I don't
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Speaker 3: know there's been a year that I pulled ten thousand
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Speaker 3: out of an ATM. It's you know, I pull a
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Speaker 3: couple hundred dollar dollars off to have just cash if
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Speaker 3: I need to, like, you know, pay expenses, But most
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Speaker 3: things I do in credit cards, Like five hundred and
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Speaker 3: three thousand, six hundred and fourteen. All right, that was
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Speaker 3: twenty seventeen. What do you think he's spent just on
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Speaker 3: ATM cash withdrawals in twenty eighteen.
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna guess over a half million dollars.
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Speaker 3: Again, seven hundred and seventy two thousand dollars and five
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Speaker 3: hundred and forty eight dollars. Wow, Like, holy crap, who
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Speaker 3: the hell that that's two grand a day? Who pulls
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Speaker 3: two thousand dollars a day? And by the way, that's
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Speaker 3: two thousand dollars every day. That's on Monday, that's on Tuesday,
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Speaker 3: that's on Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, and back on Monday. Like,
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Speaker 3: what are you doing with seven hundred and seventy two thousand,
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Speaker 3: five hundred and forty eight dollars in the year twenty eighteen?
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Speaker 4: All right?
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Speaker 1: I will be completely honest with you, I don't know
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Speaker 1: what the market rate is for drugs.
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Speaker 2: I have no idea.
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Speaker 1: I don't know how much how much a cost to
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Speaker 1: do math or crack or any of these things. But
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Speaker 1: a five hundred thousand dollars habit, to me, seems like
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Speaker 1: that would be an insane amount that would probably at
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Speaker 1: some point put you under if you were actually consuming
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Speaker 1: that much that much in drug use. So I'm assuming
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Speaker 1: this money is either going to other nefarious things like
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Speaker 1: prostitution and who knows what else he could have been
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Speaker 1: doing illegally with his cash in possible payoffs.
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Speaker 3: And by the way, I'm going to say, there are
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Speaker 3: other accounts that they're mentioned. And then twenty nineteen he
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Speaker 3: has an amazing drop off. I don't know why twenty
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Speaker 3: nineteen was a cheap year, but he falls all the
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Speaker 3: way down to one hundred eighty six nine hundred and
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Speaker 3: twenty dollars. And my guess is, I think one hundred
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Speaker 3: and eighty six thousand is more than ever pulled out
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Speaker 3: of an ATM in fifty two years. But that was
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Speaker 3: a really mild year compared to his seven hundred and
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Speaker 3: seventy two thousand dollars year. So from twenty sixteen to
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Speaker 3: twenty nineteen, Hunter Biden pulled one million, six hundred and
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Speaker 3: sixty four thousand and four dollars out of ATMs. All right,
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Speaker 3: next category, payments various women twenty sixteen. What do you
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Speaker 3: think it is?
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Speaker 2: Payments various women?
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Speaker 3: I don't even know what that means. That that's how
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Speaker 3: the prosecutors have described it. I'm quoting it. It simply says,
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Speaker 3: payments dash various women.
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Speaker 2: Fifty grand.
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Speaker 3: So twenty sixteen is a cheap year, four four hundred dollars.
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Speaker 4: Okay, that's that.
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Speaker 3: I don't know what payments various women means, but four
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Speaker 3: grand is compared to the numbers we were talking about,
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Speaker 3: relatively small. What do you think twenty seventeen.
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Speaker 1: Is I'm assuming you got rid into it, So let's
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Speaker 1: call it thirty grand.
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Speaker 3: One hundred and thirty eight thousand, eight hundred and thirty
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Speaker 3: seven dollars. Wow, Payments various women. What do you think
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Speaker 3: twenty eighteen is?
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Speaker 2: Double?
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Speaker 5: It?
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Speaker 3: Three hundred and eighty three thousand, five hundred and forty
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Speaker 3: eight dollars. And then twenty nineteen, I don't know, he
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Speaker 3: had a down year. Twenty nineteen it drops to just
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Speaker 3: one hundred and fifty six thousand, four hundred and twenty seven.
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Speaker 3: All right, Next category, Clothing and Accessory twenty sixteen, seventy
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Speaker 3: eight thousand dollars, twenty seventeen, one hundred and thirteen thousand dollars,
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Speaker 3: twenty eighteen, one hundred and fifty one thousand dollars, twenty nineteen,
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Speaker 3: fifty three thousand dollars. How about tuition, extra education, extracurricular
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Speaker 3: twenty sixteen one hundred and seventeen thousand dollars, twenty seventeen,
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Speaker 3: ninety four thousand dollars, twenty eighteen, ninety three thousand dollars,
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Speaker 3: twenty nineteen, it's a cheap year, four thousand dollars. Health
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Speaker 3: beauty Pharmacy twenty sixteen, fifty four thousand dollars, twenty seventeen,
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Speaker 3: one hundred and ten thousand dollars, twenty eighteen forty six
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Speaker 3: thousand dollars, twenty nineteen, twenty six thousand dollars. Let's go
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Speaker 3: down to by the way.
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Speaker 2: This is this is what burning through cash sounds like.
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Speaker 3: All right, So you talked about his spending money on prostitutes.
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Speaker 3: There's actually a separate category that the prosecutors have enumerated
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Speaker 3: called adult entertainment.
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Speaker 2: So that would count the payments to women that would
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Speaker 2: be separate.
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Speaker 3: We assume, so twenty sixteen, four thousand, four hundred and
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Speaker 3: eleven dollars to adult entertainment, pretty mild year. He was
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Speaker 3: actually a pretty good boy. In twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen,
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Speaker 3: not so much. Fifty six thousand, eight hundred and forty
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Speaker 3: six dollars in adult entertainment twenty seventeen. I don't know
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Speaker 3: what the hell happened in twenty seventeen. Trump became president.
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Speaker 3: He got pissed off, He went out and parted his
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Speaker 3: ass off. One hundred thousand dollars and three hundred and
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Speaker 3: thirty dollars in adult entertainment in twenty seventeen, and then
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Speaker 3: twenty eighteen it gets back down to a lower level.
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Speaker 3: Twenty seven thousand, three hundred and seventy three dollars. This
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Speaker 3: is And by the way, I'll give you one other category.
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Speaker 3: There are multiple other categories here, but i'll read one
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Speaker 3: another Rehab, drug and alcohol twenty sixteen seven thousand, six
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Speaker 3: hundred dollars twenty seventeen, twenty eight thousand, six hundred dollars
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Speaker 3: twenty seventeen thirty five thousand, six hundred and sixty nine dollars.
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Speaker 3: So he's paying thirty five grand on rehab the same
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Speaker 3: year he's spending one hundred grand in an adult entertainment. He's
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Speaker 3: spending three hundred and eighty three thousand dollars on payments
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Speaker 3: to various women, and he's spent spending seven hundred and
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Speaker 3: seventy two thousand dollars on ATM cash withdraws. When they
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Speaker 3: say that's an extravagant spending level, that ain't even close
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Speaker 3: to describing the facts they lay out.
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Speaker 1: here and the spending, and I think this is where
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Speaker 1: we should really hone in on following the money which
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Speaker 1: goes back to Joe Biden, and the reality is all
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Speaker 1: of the spinning habits that we just talked about and
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Speaker 1: the way that they described it as again, the definditant
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Speaker 1: engaged in a four year scheme to not pay his taxes.
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Speaker 1: That's what it says in this United States District Court
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Speaker 1: for the Central District, California.
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Speaker 2: And they called a scheme.
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Speaker 1: They said, it's evasion of taxes, failure to file and
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Speaker 1: pay taxes, and false and fraudulent tax returns, a four
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Speaker 1: year scheme to avoid over one point four million dollars
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Speaker 1: in tax obligations, and he filed false returns. But then
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Speaker 1: you go back and follow the money center, and that's
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Speaker 1: where this really matters, where the rubber hits the road.
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Speaker 1: What were the services rendered for the amount of cash
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Speaker 1: coming in? He didn't offer any services, which goes back
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Speaker 1: to the money laundering, which goes back to everything we've
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Speaker 1: learned about Joe Biden. And we also have again from
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Speaker 1: James Comer and Jim Jordan that there were a dozens
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Speaker 1: of emails directly from the Burner email accounts of now
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Speaker 1: President Joe Biden without his son being sees heed on them.
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Speaker 1: Two Hunter Biden's business associates and partners. So the idea
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Speaker 1: that he wasn't involved in his son's business world is
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Speaker 1: a flat out lie.
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Speaker 3: Well, on the face of it, the indictments that were
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Speaker 3: just entered in yesterday against Hunter Biden, if he's convicted,
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Speaker 3: could result in seventeen years of prison sentence. That's a
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Speaker 3: long time. Seventeen years is not a slap on the wrist.
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Speaker 3: It's not mild now, mind you. The Biden DOJ desperately
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Speaker 3: tried to give Hunter Biden a slap on the wrist,
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Speaker 3: and the public scrutiny that was caused by the irs whistleblowers.
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Speaker 2: Blew that plan.
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Speaker 3: But Ben, look, you know me, Well, what do you
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Speaker 3: think enrages me the most about this indictment?
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Speaker 1: I would assume the money laundering and the crimes is
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Speaker 1: the way I would describe it in my opinion against
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Speaker 1: women that he exploited.
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Speaker 3: So that is infuriating. But that's not what enrages me
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Speaker 3: the most. What enrages me the most are the words
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Speaker 3: that are missing. And the words that are missing from
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Speaker 3: this indictment are Joseph Robinette Biden junior.
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Speaker 2: Look, so how do we keep those words out of there?
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Speaker 3: So we have talked at length on this podcast, The
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Speaker 3: Biden doj was obsessively focused on protect the big guy,
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Speaker 3: protect Joe Biden. We talked about early on Joe wanted
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Speaker 3: to protect his son. Look, that's admiral let every father
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Speaker 3: wants to protect his son. But at some point the
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Speaker 3: political apparatriics, at some point, the elected Democrats, at some point,
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Speaker 3: the the corrupt corporate media decided, Okay, Hunter Biden is
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Speaker 3: not savable. He's so messed up, he's going down, he
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Speaker 3: is doing jail time, and they made the decision to
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Speaker 3: throw Hunter Biden overboard. But the focus, the overwhelming focus,
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Speaker 3: is we must, must, must, must, must protect Joe Biden. Now,
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Speaker 3: we've also talked at length on this podcast how the
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Speaker 3: only reason this is a matter of public concern is
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Speaker 3: because of Joe Biden. Listen, Hunter, I've never met Hunter Biden.
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Speaker 3: I don't know the guy, but everything about him, he
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Speaker 3: seems like a deeply disturbed, sad individual. He is wrestling
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Speaker 3: with demons. He has struggled with drug and alcohol addiction
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Speaker 3: his entire life. If his name were Hunter Smith, you
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Speaker 3: and I wouldn't be talking about this, And if we
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Speaker 3: encountered him, we would feel bad for him. We'd hope
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Speaker 3: he get treatment. We'd hope he get help. But if
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Speaker 3: his name were Hunter Smith, he would not have made
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Speaker 3: millions of dollars. There's nothing about Hunter Biden's skill set.
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Speaker 3: There's nothing about his experience. There's nothing about what he's
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Speaker 3: able to produce that would cause anyone to pay him
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Speaker 3: millions of dollars. Look across the entire scope of the country.
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Speaker 3: Find one other crackhead who gets paid millions of dollars.
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Speaker 3: They don't to make millions of dollars, you have to
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Speaker 3: perform some service.
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Speaker 4: That is of value.
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Speaker 3: The only service Hunter Biden performed was he delivered favors
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Speaker 3: from Daddy. And understand, this is not an access case.
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Speaker 3: This is not about he's a lobbyist. This is about
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Speaker 3: I believe Joe Biden doing favors explicitly for the people
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Speaker 3: who gave millions of dollars to his son, and also
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Speaker 3: Joe Biden being prepared to exact retribution against the people
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Speaker 3: who refused to pay millions of dollars to his son.
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Speaker 3: We also know that James Comer has cataloged at great
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Speaker 3: length a substantial sum of money that the Chinese communists
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Speaker 3: paid to Hunter Biden, that the Ukrainians paid to Hunter Biden,
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Speaker 3: that the Russians paid to Hunter Biden, A substantial amount
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Speaker 3: of that made it directly to Joe Biden's bank account,
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Speaker 3: So this was understand It is Joe Biden that was
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Speaker 3: leading what you've referred to as the Biden crime crime family,
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Speaker 3: and this indictment, it's designed on the face of it
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Speaker 3: to look tough. Wow, we're going after Hunter. But every
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Speaker 3: one of the offenses is specifically limited to Hunter. There
20:16
Speaker 3: is nothing. So David Wis and the Biden Department of
20:20
Speaker 3: Justice allow the statute of limitations to run on all
20:24
Speaker 3: of the violations concerning China. They just let it run.
20:27
Speaker 3: So this doesn't concern China, This doesn't concern the WhatsApp
20:31
Speaker 3: where Hunter says, I'm sitting here next to my father.
20:33
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20:36
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20:39
Speaker 3: putting the blame. And you and I have talked about this.
20:42
Speaker 3: If they were going to try to cover up for
20:44
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20:46
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20:49
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20:52
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21:00
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21:04
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21:09
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21:15
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21:18
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21:21
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23:18
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Speaker 1: They've been saying that they're not going to appear for depositions.
23:27
Speaker 1: There is a very good chance that he will not
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23:36
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23:40
Speaker 1: set for depositions for hours on end in a witch
23:43
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23:47
Speaker 1: Biden lied multiple times about his involvement with his son's
23:52
Speaker 1: business dealings, and new emails are proving that over and
23:55
Speaker 1: over again yet again. So if he doesn't show up
23:59
Speaker 1: and they do hold him in contempt, there's a problem
24:03
Speaker 1: because the DOJ, Biden's DOJ, the deep state would be
24:08
Speaker 1: the ones that would have to act on that contempt charge.
24:12
Speaker 1: And is there any chance And you just talked to
24:15
Speaker 1: Director Ray, you've talked to others the DOJ before, and
24:18
Speaker 1: the FBI is do you think they would pursue this
24:21
Speaker 1: against Hunter Biden, the President's cent or No?
24:24
Speaker 4: I don't.
24:24
Speaker 3: I think the Biden Department of Justice is the most
24:27
Speaker 3: political Department of Justice we've ever seen. I think this
24:29
Speaker 3: FBI is the most political FBI we've ever seen. I
24:32
Speaker 3: think they are covering up for Joe Biden with all
24:34
Speaker 3: of their might, and I think they're trying to limit
24:37
Speaker 3: Hunter Biden's exposure. I think they're willing to throw him
24:39
Speaker 3: overboard some but I think they want to limit his
24:42
Speaker 3: exposure when it comes to the testimony. We don't know
24:44
Speaker 3: right now if Hunter Biden's going to show up. You're
24:47
Speaker 3: right that Donald Trump's kids showed up for hours and
24:50
Speaker 3: hours and hours of deposition, so it's not clear why
24:53
Speaker 3: Hunter Biden should be different. He may try to stiff it.
24:56
Speaker 3: If he tries to stiff it, I fully expect the
24:59
Speaker 3: House Representatives to hold him in contempt and to vote
25:01
Speaker 3: out of contempt citation. But to enforce that that takes
25:04
Speaker 3: the Department of Justice. And I have zero confidence, not
25:07
Speaker 3: even one percent, zero confidence, this Department of Justice will
25:11
Speaker 3: do anything to enforce a contempt citation against Hunter Biden.
25:15
Speaker 3: And listen, part of it is their objective is protect
25:19
Speaker 3: Joe Biden. It is their overarching it is their obsessive objective.
25:23
Speaker 3: And so they don't want Hunter Biden testifying. They want
25:27
Speaker 3: to delay all of this. Part of the strategy, if
25:30
Speaker 3: you're defending someone from corruption, is every minute of delay
25:34
Speaker 3: is a good, good minute We're three years into the
25:36
Speaker 3: Biden presidency, and the initial lies he told he never
25:40
Speaker 3: talked with his son about his overseas business dealings, we
25:43
Speaker 3: now know that as a flagrant lie. It is wildly untrue.
25:46
Speaker 3: At every stage, everything Joe Biden has said has been
25:50
Speaker 3: proven a lie over and over and over again. But
25:52
Speaker 3: he's counting on the corrupt corporate media never to let
25:55
Speaker 3: people know, never to report on it.
25:57
Speaker 1: Brings me to also the fireworks that place this week,
26:01
Speaker 1: and it was between you and the FBI director. I
26:04
Speaker 1: want to play a large chunk of this. But before
26:07
Speaker 1: I do, set the stage, why was the FBI director
26:10
Speaker 1: before your committee in the Senate and what was this
26:14
Speaker 1: all about?
26:15
Speaker 3: Well, the FBI Director, Chris Ray was testifying before the
26:17
Speaker 3: Senate Judiciary Committee, and periodically the director of the FBI
26:20
Speaker 3: testifies before judiciary, and so I took the opportunity to
26:24
Speaker 3: question him. And there are a lot of topics I
26:25
Speaker 3: could have questioned him on. I could have questioned him
26:27
Speaker 3: for hours on end, but I only had seven minutes,
26:30
Speaker 3: and so I chose to use the seven minutes to
26:33
Speaker 3: focus on the politicization of the FBI and the refusal
26:37
Speaker 3: of the FBI to investigate the growing, the becoming overwhelming
26:42
Speaker 3: evidence of Joe Biden's corruption, and so that's what I
26:45
Speaker 3: asked him about.
26:46
Speaker 1: I want to play a chunk of this because it's
26:48
Speaker 1: really important, and I hope that every vertical listener will
26:50
Speaker 1: make sure that you take this and share this podcast
26:54
Speaker 1: so that you can let people know about what these
26:58
Speaker 1: questions were, the really important questions. And also I would
27:00
Speaker 1: argue the shocking response from the FBI Director Ray, take
27:04
Speaker 1: a listen to this.
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Speaker 4: Thank you, miss Chairman. Director Ray.
27:09
Speaker 6: Welcome.
27:10
Speaker 3: As you know, I am deeply concerned about the conduct
27:14
Speaker 3: of both the Department of Justice and the FBI, particularly
27:18
Speaker 3: in the last three years during the Biden administration. I
27:21
Speaker 3: think the Department of Justice has been profoundly politicized under
27:25
Speaker 3: Attorney General Merrick Garland, and I think the FBI has
27:28
Speaker 3: as well. And unfortunately, I think you've been unwilling to
27:35
Speaker 3: stand up to senior career officials and the FBI.
27:37
Speaker 6: Who's allowed the FBI to be politicized.
27:39
Speaker 3: I'll tell you I regularly speak with FBI agents across
27:42
Speaker 3: the country who are unhappy about the integrity of the
27:47
Speaker 3: institution being weakened because DOJ is being treated as a
27:53
Speaker 3: political weapon.
27:54
Speaker 4: I want to talk in.
27:55
Speaker 3: Particular about the investigation into multiple allegations of corruption concerning
28:01
Speaker 3: Hunter Biden and Joe Biden, because the Department of Justice has,
28:07
Speaker 3: I think from the outset, tried at every step to
28:11
Speaker 3: stop investigation into corruption from Joe Biden. As you're aware,
28:16
Speaker 3: a WhatsApp text message was sent to Henry Zao, a
28:21
Speaker 3: senior Chinese communist, from Hunter Biden that reads as follows,
28:28
Speaker 3: I'm sitting here with my father and we would like
28:30
Speaker 3: to understand why the commitment made has not been fulfilled.
28:32
Speaker 3: Tell the director that I would like to resolve this
28:34
Speaker 3: now before it gets out of hand, and now means
28:38
Speaker 3: tonight and Zee. If I get a call or text
28:39
Speaker 3: from anyone involved in this other than you, Zanger, the Chairman,
28:43
Speaker 3: I will make certain that between the man sitting next
28:45
Speaker 3: to me and every person he knows, and my ability
28:48
Speaker 3: to hold a grudge, that you will regret not following
28:51
Speaker 3: my direction. I am sitting here waiting for the call
28:55
Speaker 3: with my father now. Democrats and those in the media
28:59
Speaker 3: trying to defend the White House repeatedly say there is
29:02
Speaker 3: no direct evidence of Joe Biden's involvement in his son's corruption. Well,
29:08
Speaker 3: this is a text that is direct evidence that is
29:12
Speaker 3: stating that it is his father that is going to retaliate. Now,
29:18
Speaker 3: an IRS whistleblower, Gary Shapley, testified before the House of
29:22
Speaker 3: Representatives that the natural step he wanted to follow was
29:27
Speaker 3: to determine whether Joe Biden was in fact sitting next
29:30
Speaker 3: to his father when this threat was made to extort
29:34
Speaker 3: millions of dollars from a Chinese communist. And what the
29:37
Speaker 3: IRS whistleblower testified is that when he tried to find
29:43
Speaker 3: out whether Joe Biden was sitting next to Hunter, that
29:48
Speaker 3: the DOJ blocked getting the GPS data on Joe Biden's phone.
29:53
Speaker 3: Did the FBI try to ascertain where Hunter Biden was
29:57
Speaker 3: and where Joe Biden was when this text was sent?
30:00
Speaker 5: Well, I think the questions you're asking go to the
30:03
Speaker 5: ongoing investigation being led by a special counsel wise, and
30:06
Speaker 5: so I'm not going to be able to discuss what
30:09
Speaker 5: is or is in scope.
30:10
Speaker 2: Now.
30:10
Speaker 3: Look, there's been testimony under oath from the IRS whistleblower
30:15
Speaker 3: that you did not seek the GPS data, And you're right.
30:18
Speaker 4: David Weiss. The special prosecutor is in charge.
30:20
Speaker 3: Of it, and it is David Weiss and his underlings,
30:25
Speaker 3: who the accord of the IRS whistle blowers, have alleged
30:29
Speaker 3: that they're the ones try to stop the investigation. They
30:31
Speaker 3: allow the statute of limitations to run on many of
30:35
Speaker 3: the most serious violations. Not only that, IRS whistleblower Shapley
30:41
Speaker 3: testified that on September, third Assistant US Attorney Leslie Wolfe
30:45
Speaker 3: explicitly told investigators that, despite having probable cause to search, quote,
30:49
Speaker 3: there is no way a search warrant would be approved
30:52
Speaker 3: when the evidence in question was located inside of Vice
30:56
Speaker 3: President Biden's guest house. Wolf stated that quote, the optics
31:00
Speaker 3: prevented such a search. Is the FBI do they make
31:06
Speaker 3: a routine practice of allowing partisan political optics to prevent
31:10
Speaker 3: investigating serious evidence of corruption.
31:13
Speaker 5: My instructions to our people on this and on every
31:16
Speaker 5: other investigation are that we are to follow the facts
31:19
Speaker 5: wherever they lead, no matter who likes it, no matter
31:22
Speaker 5: what political influence.
31:23
Speaker 3: And why did maybe GBS state on where Hunter Biden
31:26
Speaker 3: and Joe Biden were again center with respect, I can't
31:28
Speaker 3: this is an ongoing inspection, and Director Ray, you and
31:31
Speaker 3: I have gone round around on this because I understand
31:33
Speaker 3: anytime you're asked about this, the answer is.
31:35
Speaker 4: It's an ongoing investigation.
31:36
Speaker 3: Of course, the investigation is an ongoing You're not doing
31:39
Speaker 3: the work. You got whistleblowers pointing out that you're not
31:42
Speaker 3: doing the work and you are hiding behind the skirts
31:45
Speaker 3: of the Attorney general. Look, the whistleblower also testified that
31:49
Speaker 3: the Attorney General when he came before Congress. Go to
31:52
Speaker 3: the next chart, came before Congress lied under oath to
31:56
Speaker 3: this committee.
31:58
Speaker 4: The Attorney General.
31:59
Speaker 3: Testified to this committee in response to my questioning, I
32:02
Speaker 3: have pledged not to interfere with the Hunter Biden investigation.
32:05
Speaker 4: I have carried through on that pledge.
32:07
Speaker 3: The irs whistleblowers of alleged the Attorney General lied under
32:11
Speaker 3: oath a felony. Was the Attorney General telling the truth
32:15
Speaker 3: when he said this? Was the Attorney General telling the
32:18
Speaker 3: truth when he said, I have pledged not to interfere
32:20
Speaker 3: with the Hunter Biden investigation, and I have carried through.
32:23
Speaker 5: In my pledge. Again, I can't speak to the Attorney
32:26
Speaker 5: General's testimony. I can only tell you what my instructions
32:28
Speaker 5: have been to our people.
32:30
Speaker 3: Has there been political interference in the investigation into Hunter
32:33
Speaker 3: Biden and Joe Biden, not that I have experienced. Were
32:37
Speaker 3: the investigators allowed to investigate whether Joe Biden was complicit
32:42
Speaker 3: in the corruption?
32:44
Speaker 5: Again, there is an ongoing investigator asking you about corruption
32:48
Speaker 5: from DJ Were.
32:51
Speaker 4: They allowed to investigate Joe Biden?
32:53
Speaker 3: Or is the whistleblower telling the truth that DOJ said?
32:57
Speaker 3: Joe Biden's off limits. No questions about the big guy.
33:01
Speaker 5: And as to what is in scope or not in
33:03
Speaker 5: scope of the ongoing investigation, I would refer you to
33:05
Speaker 5: Special Council Wiites.
33:06
Speaker 6: That is not me hiding behind anything center.
33:09
Speaker 5: That is a long standing policy that has been in
33:11
Speaker 5: place direct multiple administrations, a risk going back years, a
33:15
Speaker 5: responsibility to the FBI not to allow it to be
33:21
Speaker 5: a partisan tool and a partisan weapon.
33:25
Speaker 3: The testimony, and by the way, the FBI has done nothing.
33:28
Speaker 6: And I have not and I will not.
33:30
Speaker 4: Have you opened an investigation.
33:32
Speaker 3: And to whether the Attorney General led under oath to
33:34
Speaker 3: Congress and whether the Attorney General instructive.
33:36
Speaker 6: Justice, I'm not going to go down that road here.
33:39
Speaker 4: I know you're not. That's the point.
33:41
Speaker 3: Nobody thinks you've opened an investigation because you're not willing to.
33:45
Speaker 3: And the amazing thing is directory I've known you thirty years.
33:48
Speaker 3: You're not a partisan Democrat. You're simply sitting blithely by
33:53
Speaker 3: while career partisans in your agency allow it to be weaponized.
33:58
Speaker 3: And you are damaging the FI and you were damaging
34:01
Speaker 3: the Department of Justice. Let me ask you also, the
34:05
Speaker 3: whistleblower testified that investigators wanted to execute a search warrant
34:10
Speaker 3: on a storage unit used by Hunter Biden, and instead
34:14
Speaker 3: they tipped off Hunter Biden's lawyer before the.
34:16
Speaker 4: Search warrant was carried out.
34:17
Speaker 3: Is it typical FBI practice to tip off the subject
34:21
Speaker 3: of a search warrant before the search warrant so they
34:23
Speaker 3: can remove any evidence that's incriminating.
34:26
Speaker 5: What is typical is that when you're dealing with an
34:29
Speaker 5: individual who has a protective detail, it is typical for
34:33
Speaker 5: agents to be in contact with.
34:35
Speaker 3: Does the protective detent details the protective detail guard the
34:38
Speaker 3: storage unit?
34:39
Speaker 5: Again, I can't speak to the storage unit specifically. What
34:41
Speaker 5: I can tell you is.
34:42
Speaker 3: They why Why would the FBI tip off the subject
34:46
Speaker 3: of a search warrant about the storage unit that was
34:49
Speaker 3: going to be searched beforehand? Does that not undermine the
34:53
Speaker 3: very essence of an investigation that DOJ is purporting.
34:57
Speaker 5: To undertake again, I'm not going to be able to
35:00
Speaker 5: got specific investigative sets.
35:01
Speaker 4: Who will take it?
35:02
Speaker 6: You're not.
35:03
Speaker 3: Nobody answers these questions, and it's why people are furious
35:06
Speaker 3: with the cover up, because you don't believe the FBI
35:09
Speaker 3: is accountable to Congress or to the American people.
35:11
Speaker 4: Your time is up, Dirktoray has requested a five minute recess.
35:15
Speaker 6: Five minutes.
35:16
Speaker 5: I'll just let me just send it if I might
35:18
Speaker 5: just quickly respond and then respond code to the break,
35:21
Speaker 5: thank you.
35:23
Speaker 6: I understand why this is frustrating. I do.
35:27
Speaker 5: But it is also the case that these policies that
35:30
Speaker 5: I am referring to about my inability to discuss ongoing
35:35
Speaker 5: investigations and certainly internal deliberations related to ongoing investigations are
35:39
Speaker 5: policies that have not only been in place for many,
35:42
Speaker 5: many years through multiple administrations of both parties, but but
35:47
Speaker 5: in fact these were policies that were actually strengthened under
35:50
Speaker 5: the last administration, and that my predecessor was faulted in
35:55
Speaker 5: a fairly scathing Inspector General report for not following it.
35:58
Speaker 4: Way say that, in my mind, you have an obligation
36:01
Speaker 4: call it out.
36:01
Speaker 3: He's engaged in this job, you have an obligation to
36:04
Speaker 3: call out corruption.
36:06
Speaker 1: Senator, I understand him saying it's not going investigation, but
36:10
Speaker 1: hiding behind that. When you're talking about basic things that
36:13
Speaker 1: the FBI didn't do clearly to protect the Biden family.
36:18
Speaker 1: He should still be able to answer those questions, shouldn't.
36:21
Speaker 3: He He should, and he's stonewalling, and there's an arrogance
36:26
Speaker 3: of the director of the FBI. Look, as I mentioned
36:28
Speaker 3: in my questioning, I've known Chris Ray for thirty years.
36:32
Speaker 3: He clerked for the same federal judge I clerked for.
36:35
Speaker 3: He's not a liberal Democrat. That's the amazing thing. I
36:38
Speaker 3: think Chris Ray still believes he's a Republican. I think
36:40
Speaker 3: he still believes he's a conservative. He just is unwilling.
36:44
Speaker 3: He's a company man. He's unwilling to take on the
36:48
Speaker 3: career officials at the FBI who are rabid partisans, who
36:52
Speaker 3: are left wing zelots. And he also he buys into
36:56
Speaker 3: the notion that he has no response ability to the
37:00
Speaker 3: American people, no responsibility to Congress, no responsibility to be
37:05
Speaker 3: accountable or transparent. So he views his obligation no sorry,
37:09
Speaker 3: ongoing investigation piss off jump in a lake. I'm not
37:12
Speaker 3: going to answer your question. Look, you've got two IRS
37:15
Speaker 3: whistleblowers who've come forward and alleged felonies from the Attorney General.
37:20
Speaker 3: A director of the FBI has an obligation to answer
37:23
Speaker 3: questions about that. I asked a very simple question, did
37:26
Speaker 3: you try to ascertain the GPS data about where Hunter
37:32
Speaker 3: Biden was and where Joe Biden was when Hunter Biden
37:35
Speaker 3: sent the email asking for bribes trying to shake down
37:39
Speaker 3: the Chinese communists for bribes. The email, on its face
37:43
Speaker 3: says he's sitting next to his father, Joe Biden. If
37:45
Speaker 3: he's in fact sitting next to his father, it directly
37:49
Speaker 3: implicates Joe Biden in trying to extort millions of dollars
37:55
Speaker 3: from Chinese communists, much of which ultimately went to Joe
37:58
Speaker 3: Biden himself. What the RS whistleblower said is they wanted
38:02
Speaker 3: to get that GPS data that is readily ascertainable, and
38:06
Speaker 3: the Biden DOJ blocked it. There is nothing to prevent
38:09
Speaker 3: Chris Ray from answering the question did you try to
38:13
Speaker 3: seek that GPS data?
38:14
Speaker 4: Yes or no? Did DOJ blockett? Yes or no?
38:18
Speaker 3: He refuses to answer, and his shield to everything. He
38:20
Speaker 3: says it's an ongoing investigation. But as we've discussed, it's
38:24
Speaker 3: not ongoing. They are deliberately not investigating Joe Biden. And
38:30
Speaker 3: so it is a view that there's a hubris. We
38:36
Speaker 3: are the FBI. We don't have to answer your questions.
38:40
Speaker 3: And I got to say it is profoundly harmful to
38:44
Speaker 3: the rule of law and the integrity of the FBI
38:47
Speaker 3: to have the leadership of the FBI refuse to provide
38:51
Speaker 3: even the barest minimum of transparency or accountability.
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40:12
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40:14
Speaker 1: is covering for them. The House Oversight Committee put out
40:17
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Speaker 1: He has obviously said I will only appear before a
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Speaker 1: public hearing. That's not what they're subpoenating for. In your gut,
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Speaker 1: will Hunter Biden appear or will he be a no show?
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Speaker 4: Look?
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Speaker 3: I put the odds at about fifty to fifty on that.
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Speaker 3: I think it could go either way. I think there's
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Speaker 3: a chance Hunter appears, and I think he could be defiant.
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Speaker 3: He could be he could be hiding behind his lawyers.
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Speaker 3: I also think there's a very real chance he just
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Speaker 3: doesn't show up. He just says, go pound Sand if
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Speaker 3: he does. If he refuses to show up, the House
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Speaker 3: will vote in CONTENTMP. But once the House votes him
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Speaker 3: in contempt, nothing will happen because the Biden DOJ will
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Speaker 3: not do anything to enforce the contempt sanctioned. Remember the
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Speaker 3: House Representatives held Eric Holder in contempt when he was
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Speaker 3: Attorney General under Barack Obama and nothing happened. Now why
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Speaker 3: did nothing happen Because to enforce the contempt finding, DOJ
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Speaker 3: has to bring it. And you know what, Eric Holder
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Speaker 3: was in charge of DJ, and so magically Eric Holder said,
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Speaker 3: you know, when I think of things that I want
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Speaker 3: to prosecute, the contempt finding against me is not one
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Speaker 3: of them. I think the chances of Merrick Garland doing
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Speaker 3: anything to enforce a contempt finding against Hunter Biden are
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Speaker 3: very close to zero. And so look, there's a chance
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Speaker 3: Hunter shows up. He did publicly say he was willing
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Speaker 3: to show up it was in public, but either way,
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Speaker 3: I do not expect him to be forthcoming. Whether if
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Speaker 3: he shows up, he's not going to say much of substance,
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Speaker 3: and if he doesn't show up he feels he can
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Speaker 3: defy the subpoena without meaningful consequence.
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