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Biden DOJ Spied on Susie Wiles & Kash Patel plus a Tale of Two Olympians and Dems No Longer Proud of America · The Ben Ferguson Podcast

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Speaker 1: Welcome. It is Verdict with Center. Ted Cruz, Ben Ferguson
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Speaker 1: with you as well, and it's so nice to have
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Speaker 1: you with us. If you're listening on the radio around
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Speaker 1: the country. We've got a lot to talk about in
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Speaker 1: today's show and Center. I tell you what, it's a
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Speaker 1: very interesting moment with this new breaking news that apparently
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Speaker 1: there was a lot of spying going on on people
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Speaker 1: in and around Donald Trump, including the FBI director Cash Paatel.
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Speaker 2: Well, just when you think the abuse of power from
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Speaker 2: the Joe Biden Department of Justice and FBI could not
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Speaker 2: get worse, it gets worse. We now have evidence that
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Speaker 2: the Biden FBI spied upon number one Susie Wiles, who
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Speaker 2: was then President Trump's campaign manager. Number two Cash Patel,
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Speaker 2: who is obviously now the director of the FBI, they
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Speaker 2: spied on him when he was a private citizen. We're
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Speaker 2: going to break that down. It is part of a
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Speaker 2: broader pattern of the Democrats being willing to abuse power,
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Speaker 2: do anything humanly possible to stop the Trump from being reelected.
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Speaker 2: The good news is they failed. Secondly, we're going to
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Speaker 2: talk about a tale of two Olympians. We're going to
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Speaker 2: talk about the comparison between Alissa Lou and Eileen Goo,
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Speaker 2: and the two are about as far apart as they
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Speaker 2: could possibly be. They both competed in the Olympics, they
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Speaker 2: competed for different countries, and the media reacted fundamentally differently.
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Speaker 2: One is a powerful inspirational story, the other less. So
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Speaker 2: we're going to break that down, and then finally we're
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Speaker 2: going to talk about what is really concerning. Data that
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Speaker 2: Democrats are not proud to be American. Well, we saw
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Speaker 2: that on display at the State of the Union, but
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Speaker 2: we're also seeing that in polling numbers in a way
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Speaker 2: that is really concerning and it points to a broader
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Speaker 2: problem in our society. We're going to lay out the
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Speaker 2: data and talk about what it means.
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Speaker 1: sixty seconds. Love, generosity, and compassion. We say those words
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Speaker 1: But here's the truth. Those words don't mean anything unless
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Speaker 1: not tomorrow. There's a child in the world who doesn't
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Speaker 1: know if they'll eat, if they'll have a chance to learn,
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Speaker 1: So let's get into this first topic. It is a
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Speaker 1: wild one. Every time you think that the deep state
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Speaker 1: can't get any worse than something like this happens. Allegedly. Now,
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Speaker 1: the FBI under Biden was secretly obtaining and I'm quoting now,
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Speaker 1: Susie Wilde, that's the chief of staff of the President
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Speaker 1: United States America's phone records, including from when she was
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Speaker 1: Trump's campaign manager. And they even recorded, apparently a phone
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Speaker 1: call she had with her lawyer while her lawyer knew
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Speaker 1: the phone call was being recorded, allegedly but she did
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Speaker 1: not know it. So you want to talk about attorney
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Speaker 1: client privilege. That is shocking as well. Oh and then
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Speaker 1: by the way, the FBI director now cash Hotel. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: they were also spying on him also at the same time,
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Speaker 1: So like why not, right, it's the Joe Biden's FBI,
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Speaker 1: it's the corruption there they were spying on everybody in
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Speaker 1: quitting the campaign.
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Speaker 2: So we now know that the Biden, FBI, and Dojing
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Speaker 2: under Jack Smith, it was engaged in a massive dragnet,
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Speaker 2: and it was a dragnet targeted at clearly the nexus
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Speaker 2: of all evil, the villains that they were most concerned about,
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Speaker 2: and by that I mean Republicans, especially Republicans who supported
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Speaker 2: Donald J. Trump. They subpoened the phone records of twenty
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Speaker 2: percent of the Republicans in the United States Senate, including yours. Truly,
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Speaker 2: they subpeened my phone records, by the way, not just
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Speaker 2: my personal phone records. They literally subpoened my office phone records. Now,
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Speaker 2: these guys were actually not very competent with respect to me.
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Speaker 2: They subpoened the general number in my office that has
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Speaker 2: every person who calls in to complain about a pothole,
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Speaker 2: to complain about whatever they're angry about. That's what they
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Speaker 2: subpoenaed for me. So these guys are, let me just say,
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Speaker 2: the Nobel Prize for physics, they're not in the running
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Speaker 2: for not in the running. I love that what is
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Speaker 2: now released is that they also, in addition to four
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Speaker 2: hundred different Republicans turning us different conservative groups. They went
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Speaker 2: after Susie Wiles and Cash Pattel. Here's what CBS reported. Quote.
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Speaker 2: At least ten f FBI employees who worked for former
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Speaker 2: Special counsel Jacksmith's investigation in President Trump's retention of classified
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Speaker 2: records after he left the White House in twenty twenty
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Speaker 2: one were fired on Wednesday, multiple sources told CBS News.
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Speaker 2: The firings came after Reuters reported that the FBI had
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Speaker 2: subpoenaed records of phone calls made by FBI Director Cash
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Speaker 2: Patel and White House Chief of Staff Susie Wiles when
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Speaker 2: they were both still private citizens, as part of Smith's
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Speaker 2: probe into Trump. The Reuter's article quoted Patel, who alleged
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Speaker 2: that the FBI had secretly subpoenaed his phone records quote,
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Speaker 2: using flimsy pretexts and burying the entire proceeds in prohibited
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Speaker 2: case files designed to evade all oversight. The Reuter's article
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Speaker 2: added that it had not independently verified any of Patel's claims.
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Speaker 2: Patel did not provide any evidence a wrongdoing by the
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Speaker 2: staff who are terminated, and you go on to say.
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Speaker 2: CBS News confirmed with a source familiar with the matter
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Speaker 2: that Wiles's record were reviewed as part of the document's case,
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Speaker 2: but was unable to verify whether ptels were in the
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Speaker 2: case involving the twenty twenty election, known as Arctic Frost.
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Speaker 2: By the way, that that is named after a disease
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Speaker 2: that strikes oranges in the state of Florida, like the
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Speaker 2: fruit oranges that like. Let's get clear on this. The
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Speaker 2: name of the FBI investigation was essentially a pond on
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Speaker 2: Orange man Bad. This is a disease that kills oranges
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Speaker 2: in Florida. We the FBI, Democrats are using our power.
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Speaker 2: Are a disease killing oranges in Florida. I mean that
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Speaker 2: They're not subtle if you look at this. What is interesting,
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Speaker 2: as you mentioned number one, the reporting is that that
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Speaker 2: Susie Wiles was on a phone call with her lawyer yeh,
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Speaker 2: and the the FBI intercepted the call. And then the
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Speaker 2: claim is that her lawyer knew that the FBI was
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Speaker 2: intercepting the call. Now now I've googled this, this evening
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Speaker 2: her lawyer at the time, a guy named Hank Cox, claims,
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Speaker 2: I didn't know. I don't know what they're talking about.
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Speaker 2: I've never I've never known of any client of mine
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Speaker 2: being intercepted and taped while I was talking to them.
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Speaker 2: I got to say my reaction. And you know you
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Speaker 2: read a minute ago that story. It may not have
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Speaker 2: horrified you at the same level it did me. As
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Speaker 2: a lawyer. The idea if I'm your lawyer, and by
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Speaker 2: the way, if i'm your lawyer, I mean, good god,
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Speaker 2: there's a lot of criminal conduct I could be representing
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Speaker 2: you for so a host of of Listen.
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Speaker 1: What you for a dollar one time? That's the retainer,
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Speaker 1: is how I look at it.
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Speaker 2: But the idea for any lawyer that you would know
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Speaker 2: law enforcement was taping your conversation with your client. You
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Speaker 2: would be disparked, You would lose your license, like.
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Speaker 1: You would lose your license if you did that. Correct,
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Speaker 1: you're a part of that.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: So before we started recording this, I literally jumped on
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Speaker 2: my phone. I'm like, wait a second. As a lawyer,
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Speaker 2: you can't do that. That means you don't get to
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Speaker 2: be a lawyer ever. Again, I was gratified in a sense.
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Speaker 2: I don't know this particular fellow, Hank Cox, but he
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Speaker 2: at least is saying this is a lie. I didn't
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Speaker 2: sign off. I don't know what the facts are, but
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Speaker 2: I hope we drilled down and find the facts. Regardless
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Speaker 2: Jack Smith and the Biden DOJ there were no bounds
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Speaker 2: of propriety other than get Trump Orange Man bad at
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Speaker 2: any cost.
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Speaker 1: I want to go to the politics of this for
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Speaker 1: a second. What I find very interesting center about this
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Speaker 1: story is the timeline of when they were doing this.
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Speaker 1: If you are spying on and listening in on Susie Wilds,
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Speaker 1: for example, she was in many ways the de facto
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Speaker 1: campaign manager for Donald Trump. Early on, she was going
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Speaker 1: to be involved in the campaign in every decision. There
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Speaker 1: was a lot of people wondering if Trump was going
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Speaker 1: to run or not. This covers that time, and if
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Speaker 1: you're listening those phone calls, you're listening in that, I
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Speaker 1: would assume to everything that deals with the campaign or
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Speaker 1: campaign strategy. You can see who she's talking to, who
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Speaker 1: they may be calling, prospective donors, people they may want
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Speaker 1: to get on their staff on the campaign. Like that
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Speaker 1: is that is interference in election in my opinion, because
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Speaker 1: you're spying on your political opponent. By the way they've
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Speaker 1: done it before, we know that they were spying on
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Speaker 1: Trump's campaign in twenty sixteen as well, So I guess
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Speaker 1: it's like, why not do it? And then you're spying
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Speaker 1: on cash Betel as well, why would you do that?
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Speaker 1: He was also going to be involved in the campaign,
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Speaker 1: and heavily involved. So those two things right there are
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Speaker 1: the timeline. That's the part I think is so egregious here.
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Speaker 1: It's like, hey, all right, who are going to be
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Speaker 1: up against Well, let's just listen in and see what
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Speaker 1: their campaign strategy is.
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Speaker 2: Well, Ben, as you know, the third book I wrote
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Speaker 2: was called Justice Corrupted, How the Left has weaponized the
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Speaker 2: legal system and trace the history of it. It started
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Speaker 2: with Richard Nixon. I'm not a fan of Richard Dixon.
10:56
Speaker 2: I think the man was a total and complete crook. Now,
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Speaker 2: I also think the deep conspired against him. And yet,
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Speaker 2: even as bad as it was, there was a limit
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Speaker 2: to how much they went after him. And in fact,
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Speaker 2: a number of people in the deep state resisted Nixon's
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Speaker 2: efforts to weaponize government against his political opponents. What Richard
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Speaker 2: Nixon tried to do, Barack Obama succeeded in doing. And
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Speaker 2: much of this cancer in the government started with Barack Obama,
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Speaker 2: who turned the machinery of the federal government into a
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Speaker 2: weapon to attack his political opponents. He spent eight years
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Speaker 2: doing that. The IRS was weaponized, the FBI was weaponized,
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Speaker 2: the DOJ was weaponized, the alphabet soup, every federal agency
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Speaker 2: was weaponized to go after Obama's political opponents. Then, to
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Speaker 2: the shock of all of them, Donald Trump gets elected
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Speaker 2: in twenty sixteen. Now we know that the Obama DOJ
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Speaker 2: was spying on Donald Trump the first time he ran.
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Speaker 2: And when he.
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Speaker 1: Came into ARNI said that everybody said he was crazy lying.
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Speaker 2: Remember the media laughed at him. It was totally right.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's deranged that never it didn't happen. He was
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Speaker 1: inspired on. He has no information to back this up.
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Speaker 1: And then sure if it became fact, none of them
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Speaker 1: corrected their stories.
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Speaker 2: Of course, and when he came into office. A significant
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Speaker 2: mistake President Trump made in the first term as he
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Speaker 2: kept James Comy on as the head of the FBI.
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Speaker 2: That was a catastrophic mistake and one that he certainly
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Speaker 2: grew to regret as time went on. I think the
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Speaker 2: first Trump White House believed they could get Komy on
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Speaker 2: the reservation, get him actually focused on doing his job
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Speaker 2: as head of the FBI, rather than just being a
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Speaker 2: partisan Democrat. Attacking them. That was mistaken. And from the
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Speaker 2: earliest days of the Trump administration, look Michael Flynn when
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Speaker 2: he was named the incoming National Security Advisor, James Combing,
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Speaker 2: the FBI were already going after him, trying to destroy him.
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Speaker 2: They tried to destroy for four years, the deep state
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Speaker 2: tried to destroy the Donald Trump. They almost did. Look Russia, Russia,
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Speaker 2: Russia the entire and it was a lie. It was
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Speaker 2: literally concocted by Hillary Clinton's research opposition and and and
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Speaker 2: and to be clear, it would have worked. It reminds
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Speaker 2: me of like the old Scooby Doo when the villain
13:19
Speaker 2: has the mass pulled off off his face and said, uh,
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Speaker 2: you know, I would have succeeded if not for you
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Speaker 2: meddling kids like that is the Obama and Biden d O.
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Speaker 1: J and And to be clear, to put this in context,
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Speaker 1: the still dossier, the FBI said, we'll give you a
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Speaker 1: million bucks if.
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Speaker 2: You by the way, that that that's some good French.
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Speaker 2: Can you say that word dossier again? I like that
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Speaker 2: you fling your hand in the Okay, you're pinky when
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Speaker 2: you say dossier. I wantsier.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, it's still dossier. They described Okay, they said, look.
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Speaker 2: You're an honorary in Mississippi. Boy, that's dossier.
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Speaker 1: Yeah now right there. That then they're no, here was doser.
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Speaker 1: So they went to Michael Steele and they said, if
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Speaker 1: you can corroborate any of this, we'll give you a
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Speaker 1: million bucks. He couldn't do it, the guy who authored it.
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Speaker 1: They then classified it at the FBI as user generated,
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Speaker 1: meaning it's fictitious. This is not real. They brought this
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Speaker 1: to us, it's user generated, meaning they created it out
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Speaker 1: of thin air. And they still went forward with using
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Speaker 1: it as the basis to go after Donald Trump. The
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Speaker 1: FBI knew it was a lie. They even said and
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Speaker 1: categorized it as a lie.
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Speaker 2: Look, twenty five years ago, I was in the Department
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Speaker 2: of Justice, right at the beginning of the George W.
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Speaker 2: Bush administration. I was an Associate Deputy Attorney General. By
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Speaker 2: the way, government is weird. Yes, I had that many
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Speaker 2: modifiers in my title. Associate Deputy Attorney general.
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Speaker 1: Kind of a big deal, that's what he should have
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Speaker 1: said under your name plate. No kind of a big deal.
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Speaker 2: Actually, the more accurate thing is kind of a medium
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Speaker 2: sized deal. That would that would nothing? Not nothing? I
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Speaker 2: mean I was not like a summer intern at the time,
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Speaker 2: but but not particularly about deal.
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Speaker 1: Keep going, I'm ready.
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Speaker 2: But when I was a DOJ, the idea that the
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Speaker 2: department would spy on the political opponents of the administration.
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Speaker 2: Like if someone had come in and said, Okay, Bush, DOJ,
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Speaker 2: let's spy on Bill Clinton, Let's spy on Hillary Hillary Clinton,
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Speaker 2: let's spy on the sky. Barack Obama, let's spy on
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Speaker 2: Joe Biden. Let's spy on Chuck Schumer. Look, there are
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Speaker 2: a lot of Democrats. It would have first of all,
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Speaker 2: been laughed out of the room. You'd been like, no, okay,
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Speaker 2: that's not what we do. At at a minimum, let's
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Speaker 2: suppose you had really serious evidence. You you had evidence
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Speaker 2: of of say, some Democrat I don't know, cutting a
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Speaker 2: deal and sending one point seven billion dollars in cash
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Speaker 2: and on Mark Palletts to Iran in exchange for a
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Speaker 2: political deal. By the way, that actually happened. Barack Obama
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Speaker 2: did that. Yeah, even then, you wouldn't spy on Obama.
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Speaker 2: But if you had horrible evidence, the checks and balances
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Speaker 2: in the Department of Justice to doing that would have
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Speaker 2: been enormous. The entire system would have said, okay, we
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Speaker 2: want to hire threshold. We want to be certain that
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Speaker 2: this is not abuse of power. And what is amazing
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Speaker 2: is during the Biden DOJ there were no checks. Spy
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Speaker 2: on twenty percent of the Republicans in the Senate. Good
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Speaker 2: bye me, spy on Trump's campaign manager, good by me,
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Speaker 2: spy on cash Betel, good bye me. They were drunk
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Speaker 2: with power, and the rule of law was utterly and
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Speaker 2: completely forgotten.
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Speaker 1: Answer the call. All right, Senata, let's talk about the Olympics.
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Speaker 1: There were so many cool stories out of the Olympics.
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Speaker 1: Obviously celebrating hockey that kind of took everything over when
17:56
Speaker 1: that happened, But there was some other really incredible and
17:59
Speaker 1: important stories in these Olympics. And one of them that
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Speaker 1: just is something we got to talk about is involved
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Speaker 1: not only China, but also America's gold medalists who won
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Speaker 1: in figure skating. It's an amazing story.
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Speaker 2: Well, look, we obviously have the incredible victory of winning
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Speaker 2: the gold in both men's hockey and women's hockey, and
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Speaker 2: I got to say that moment was extraordinary. At the
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Speaker 2: State of the Union, it was wonderful to see the
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Speaker 2: men's gold winning Olympic hockey team there, the pride they
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Speaker 2: had for America was fabulous. But there's also a story
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Speaker 2: that got some coverage. But I think it's worth going
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Speaker 2: back and focusing because it was a powerful contrast and
18:41
Speaker 2: it was a contrast between two Olympians. It was a
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Speaker 2: contrast between Alyssa Lou and Eileen Goo. Now both are
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Speaker 2: women of Chinese heritage. One Alyssa, competed for the United States,
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Speaker 2: the other, Eileen, competed for China. Let's start with Alyssa
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Speaker 2: because Melissa's story is extraordinary, and I want to read
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Speaker 2: from a tweet from a fellow name Afshine m Ronnie.
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Speaker 2: I don't know who this person is, but I thought
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Speaker 2: the way he wrote it was very effective. Here's what
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Speaker 2: he said, the ultimate American revenge story. The script couldn't
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Speaker 2: have been have written it better. In nineteen eighty nine,
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Speaker 2: Arthur Liu fled China as a political refugee after the
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Speaker 2: Tienamen Square massacre. He came to America with nothing but
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Speaker 2: a dream for a free life. Decades later, his daughter,
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Speaker 2: Alyssa Lou became the face of Team USA, but the
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Speaker 2: CCP didn't forget. Before the twenty twenty Beijing Olympics, the
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Speaker 2: FBI uncovered a brazen spying operation. The target Alissa and
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Speaker 2: her father. The Chinese government tried to stalk them on
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Speaker 2: us soil, intimidate her into silence, pressure her to turn
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Speaker 2: her back on the country that gave her family refuge.
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Speaker 2: The FBI had to give them twenty four to seven
20:03
Speaker 2: security just so she could compete. She faced intimidation, she
20:11
Speaker 2: refused to be upawn, She walked away from the sport
20:15
Speaker 2: for two years to find her soul again, and then
20:19
Speaker 2: she came back with a vengeance. Today the story is complete.
20:25
Speaker 2: In a flawless performance to Donna Summers MacArthur Park, Alyssa
20:29
Speaker 2: Loud just did the impossible Olympic gold, the first American
20:36
Speaker 2: woman to win individual gold in twenty four years. She
20:41
Speaker 2: didn't just skate for a medal, She skated for the
20:45
Speaker 2: freedom her father risked everything for. She didn't just win
20:50
Speaker 2: for herself, She won for the flag that protected her
20:55
Speaker 2: family when the world felt small. That's what a patriot
20:59
Speaker 2: looked like. Now, I got to say, I want to
21:01
Speaker 2: give listeners some background into this show. The way you
21:06
Speaker 2: and I record this pod. As we sit down right
21:08
Speaker 2: before recording it, and we go through all the stories
21:11
Speaker 2: that are in the news. We Sara, what do we
21:13
Speaker 2: want to talk about? And by the way, the pod
21:14
Speaker 2: is not scripted like you and I don't know what
21:16
Speaker 2: we're going to say. We just sort of talk about topics.
21:19
Speaker 2: We pick a couple of topics and riff on it
21:21
Speaker 2: and I want everyone to know. Ben is like, no, no, no,
21:25
Speaker 2: I don't want to cover this story. Ben said, I
21:27
Speaker 2: hate Americans, I hate Olympians. Yeah, I can't.
21:30
Speaker 1: Skate, and true, I'm a very good skater.
21:34
Speaker 2: And I'm secretly a communist.
21:36
Speaker 1: Okay there were Okay, yeah, I got it. Okay, I
21:38
Speaker 1: see where we're going here.
21:39
Speaker 2: Now are you a good skater? I suck at skating.
21:42
Speaker 2: I'm a horrible skater.
21:43
Speaker 1: So my dad's you know, from up north, and that
21:46
Speaker 1: was like one thing. It would take us skating his
21:48
Speaker 1: kids and then we would skate on the ponds. We
21:50
Speaker 1: went to North Dakota. So, yeah, I've been skating a
21:52
Speaker 1: long time.
21:53
Speaker 2: I'm an unbelievably bad skater. I basically wobble around the
21:57
Speaker 2: skate rink and hold onto the walls the whole time.
21:59
Speaker 2: It's terror like four year olds come skating past me
22:03
Speaker 2: and or like get out of the way, like you
22:05
Speaker 2: you you terrible thing I can.
22:07
Speaker 1: I can picture this, and I believe you completely that
22:10
Speaker 1: you're not over selling that point at all.
22:12
Speaker 2: I'm not. But let's just say for the record, I
22:14
Speaker 2: can kick your ascid basketball. And to be clear, I've
22:18
Speaker 2: broken your finger playing basketball.
22:20
Speaker 1: That is true. The kime the a part. At some
22:23
Speaker 1: point we might need a one on one game, just
22:24
Speaker 1: so the audience shows the score.
22:25
Speaker 2: Here, I've just said, all right, look, look you've got
22:29
Speaker 2: mass and strength. But but I'm just I'm just saying
22:32
Speaker 2: you can't shoot to save your life.
22:34
Speaker 4: All right?
22:35
Speaker 2: Why did I want to cover this story? Look, some
22:38
Speaker 2: of it is as the child of a refugee from Cuba.
22:42
Speaker 2: I find Alyssa Lou's story inspirational. I find it now
22:46
Speaker 2: you identify with It's incredible and and and listen, there's
22:49
Speaker 2: a contrast with her and Eileen Goo. Now now I
22:52
Speaker 2: want to say something. So Eileen Goo is also Chinese heritage.
22:56
Speaker 2: She's a student at Stanford. Alyssa's a figure skater. She
23:00
Speaker 2: on the gold Eileen who is a downhill skier. She
23:03
Speaker 2: won two silvers. Both were offered the opportunity from China
23:08
Speaker 2: that the Chinese Communist government said, we will give you
23:12
Speaker 2: millions of dollars to compete.
23:14
Speaker 1: For China, literally millions. You're not joking, like some report's
23:17
Speaker 1: been upwards of six million plus.
23:19
Speaker 2: Yeah, like massive amounts of money. And Eileen said yes,
23:24
Speaker 2: and Alyssa said no. Now, I got to say, in
23:27
Speaker 2: the conservative media, there's been a world of hate pounded
23:32
Speaker 2: and dumped on Eileen. I'm not in that camp. Look,
23:35
Speaker 2: she's a like twenty year old college kid. I don't
23:39
Speaker 2: have any hate or animosity to her. I understand. I mean, look,
23:42
Speaker 2: if I were in college, no one there been reports
23:45
Speaker 2: she received like fourteen million dollars. No one ever offered
23:49
Speaker 2: me fourteen million dollars in college. I understand that. And
23:53
Speaker 2: there is something of a tradition in the Olympics. You
23:56
Speaker 2: think about the NBA where you have all these stars,
24:00
Speaker 2: you know, Victor Wemba Yamu in the NBA competes for France,
24:05
Speaker 2: Alpa and Shengoon competes for Turkey. They have lots of
24:09
Speaker 2: people who are from other countries. They compete for other
24:11
Speaker 2: countries and no one is horrified and they're not like
24:14
Speaker 2: you're a horrible human being.
24:17
Speaker 1: But let me say here's the difference.
24:19
Speaker 2: It's different. It is different, But go ahead.
24:20
Speaker 1: It's the reason why this one's different is when you
24:23
Speaker 1: grow up in America and you do everything in America
24:27
Speaker 1: and you're part of this country and this country supports you,
24:30
Speaker 1: and then because someone throws money at you, you defect
24:34
Speaker 1: to communists China. That's the difference between if you come
24:38
Speaker 1: into the league from another country and you play in
24:41
Speaker 1: the NBA and then you go back to Like when
24:43
Speaker 1: I played tennis, a lot of the guys from smaller
24:45
Speaker 1: countries would go back and play Davis Cup or the
24:47
Speaker 1: Olympics for their team. It was awesome, Like there was
24:49
Speaker 1: teammates of mine that made their Olympic team. There was
24:51
Speaker 1: from you know, Kazakhstan or smaller nations and they were
24:54
Speaker 1: the best in their country. That's not defecting from America, right,
24:58
Speaker 1: But when you're in America and your American and then
25:00
Speaker 1: you're like, all right, I'm literally defecting and gonna go
25:02
Speaker 1: do this for China and it's solely for a big payday.
25:07
Speaker 1: It was from an athlete standpoint, I get the money.
25:10
Speaker 1: But it is different than if you're in the NBA
25:13
Speaker 1: and you're from France, like Martin Gasol and Paegasol, and
25:15
Speaker 1: they go and play against the USA in that game, like,
25:17
Speaker 1: I have no qualms about that. That's where you were raised.
25:20
Speaker 2: To be clear, the Gasols are from Spain, not France.
25:23
Speaker 2: Different wherever it is. But we Latins don't like when
25:26
Speaker 2: you call us French like that. That is getting it wrong.
25:30
Speaker 1: You the power and mark there you go, Okay.
25:33
Speaker 2: You're right that it's different. You know, Victor wemen Yama's French.
25:36
Speaker 2: You grew up in France, like his whole background is that.
25:39
Speaker 2: So it is different when you go and play for
25:41
Speaker 2: the country you were born and grew up in. Both
25:44
Speaker 2: Alyssa and Eileen were born in and grew up in America,
25:48
Speaker 2: so that is different. That being said that, there was
25:53
Speaker 2: some real vitriol directed at Eileen, and listen, she's a
25:57
Speaker 2: twenty year old Olympic athlete. I don't have anger towards her.
26:02
Speaker 2: But my view is simple. If you decide I want
26:06
Speaker 2: to compete for China, I want to win the gold
26:09
Speaker 2: medal for China, you can do that, but you know
26:13
Speaker 2: what you're saying, I want one point three billion people
26:16
Speaker 2: in China to root for me, and I want to
26:19
Speaker 2: beat the United States of America. Well, you know what,
26:22
Speaker 2: I'm not going to root for you. I'm going to
26:25
Speaker 2: root for the for the athletes that say I'm competing
26:28
Speaker 2: for America, I'm not. I thought people were a little
26:32
Speaker 2: bit overwrought in condemning Aileenu. I don't know her at all,
26:36
Speaker 2: and she's a talented athlete and she's, you know, a
26:38
Speaker 2: twenty year old kid. But she made the decision she
26:43
Speaker 2: wants the Chinese to root for and she does not
26:45
Speaker 2: want America to root for. It. To be clear, when
26:47
Speaker 2: she made that decision, she's saying, I want the United
26:50
Speaker 2: States of America to lose. Yeah, that's a decision I
26:54
Speaker 2: disagree with. And the contrast with Alyssa Lu, she was
26:59
Speaker 2: offered millions.
27:01
Speaker 1: Senator, I also think this really cool part of the
27:04
Speaker 1: story is Alisilu's father. We mentioned that earlier, but like,
27:07
Speaker 1: this is a guy that sacrificed everything, had to flee
27:13
Speaker 1: the country, comes to America. He is literally being attacked
27:17
Speaker 1: and still being hunted by the Chinese government to the
27:20
Speaker 1: point where the FBI is coming after him, and on
27:23
Speaker 1: top of that, stays focus to make his daughter an
27:26
Speaker 1: Olympic gold medalist while having to look over his shoulder,
27:30
Speaker 1: to the point where the FBI had to give them protection.
27:32
Speaker 1: That's the best part of the story as well, Like
27:34
Speaker 1: they love this country. They didn't take the money. By
27:36
Speaker 1: the way they took the money, I'm assuming they wouldn't
27:38
Speaker 1: need protection anymore.
27:39
Speaker 2: Right, Look, he was incredibly driven. He raised his daughter.
27:43
Speaker 2: She was extraordinary. And I will say one aspect of
27:46
Speaker 2: this story that I really like. According to the Internet,
27:49
Speaker 2: according to Twitter, apparently Alissa lou is politically liberal and
27:54
Speaker 2: so leftists are like you, conservatives can't cheer her on
27:57
Speaker 2: because she is allegedly woke. I don't know she's political
28:00
Speaker 2: liberal or not, but you know what, I don't care care.
28:03
Speaker 2: She competed for America. When she was standing there, she
28:05
Speaker 2: had the American flag around her shoulder. She's cheering up
28:08
Speaker 2: as as the star spangled banner. She's cheering for America,
28:12
Speaker 2: and I'm cheering for her. And I don't give a
28:14
Speaker 2: damn if she votes for Barack Obama or Joe Biden.
28:17
Speaker 2: She's an American and I'm proud to cheer her on.
28:21
Speaker 1: So now I want to go back to the dad.
28:23
Speaker 1: Listen's father. He did an interview recently and it was
28:27
Speaker 1: just a little bit about the story of the political
28:29
Speaker 1: pressure that he was under. From China that they were
28:31
Speaker 1: under from China, and just to be able to get
28:34
Speaker 1: through this much pressure and still pursue the dreams of
28:38
Speaker 1: your daughter is amazing. Take a listen, CLEA.
28:41
Speaker 3: Head of the twenty twenty two Winter Alise in Beijing,
28:44
Speaker 3: the Justice Department in FBI said that China actually sent
28:47
Speaker 3: individuals to track and target you and your family, including
28:52
Speaker 3: her ahead of the Olympics. Talk to us about what that.
28:55
Speaker 3: What was Beijing's motivation? Were you afraid for her?
29:00
Speaker 2: Well?
29:01
Speaker 4: Because of my background, because I was wanted by the
29:05
Speaker 4: Chinese government back in nineteen eighty nine, and after I
29:09
Speaker 4: came to America, I also continued to organize protests in
29:15
Speaker 4: front of the Chinese Counselate in San Francisco, some protests
29:20
Speaker 4: and hunger strikes in front of the Chinese embassy in Washington, DC.
29:26
Speaker 4: The Chinese government never let me go and continue to
29:33
Speaker 4: aspire me. And before the Winter Olympic Games in twenty
29:38
Speaker 4: twenty two, I was, you know, I got a phone
29:43
Speaker 4: call from somebody who claimed to be from the US
29:46
Speaker 4: Olympic Committee and wanted copies of my passport and Alisa's passport,
29:53
Speaker 4: And then the FBI informed me that the Chinese government
29:58
Speaker 4: is flying spying on me. And of course I was
30:03
Speaker 4: concerned about a Lisa going to China to compete.
30:09
Speaker 1: You listened to him talking about the concerns. Yeah, I'd
30:11
Speaker 1: have a lot of concerns the father as well.
30:13
Speaker 2: Of course, and and listen that this man loves his daughter.
30:17
Speaker 2: And I got to say Alissa's Olympic gold performance it
30:20
Speaker 2: was beautiful. I'm not particularly into figure skating. I got
30:23
Speaker 2: to say, she did a gorgeous, uh performance. It was
30:29
Speaker 2: there was a sense of joy and abandon and watching
30:33
Speaker 2: it that that that was really fabulous and and it
30:37
Speaker 2: and it made you, It made you really happy for her.
30:40
Speaker 2: It made you cheer her on. There's there's a great image.
30:43
Speaker 2: I love a photo taken from above as she's like
30:46
Speaker 2: spinning and looking up and that there's a level of
30:49
Speaker 2: just reckless abandon and it's not reckless about it. It's
30:51
Speaker 2: actually incredibly controlled, joyful skill.
30:57
Speaker 1: Yeah.
30:57
Speaker 2: But but look, it made you proud of America. And
31:00
Speaker 2: I got to say, you would think everyone to be
31:02
Speaker 2: proud of America watching that. But what is amazing. So
31:06
Speaker 2: there was recent polling numbers that came out from Gallup
31:09
Speaker 2: that are highly concerning that showed that that not everyone
31:13
Speaker 2: is proud of America anymore. And if you look at
31:16
Speaker 2: just the generic question, US adults pride in being American
31:22
Speaker 2: twenty one to twenty twenty five. So in two thousand
31:26
Speaker 2: and one, eighty seven percent said they were extremely very proud.
31:33
Speaker 2: By twenty twenty five that had dropped to fifty eight percent.
31:36
Speaker 2: Eighty seven to fifty eight. That's a massive decrease. And
31:38
Speaker 2: you might say, well, I don't know what's driving that,
31:41
Speaker 2: But actually the second chart is even more concerning because
31:46
Speaker 2: it's not just everyone's losing faith in America. It's not
31:49
Speaker 2: just that everyone is no longer proud of being an American.
31:51
Speaker 2: It's very particular and ideological. It is democrats, it is liberals.
31:56
Speaker 2: And I want to focus on this chart that Gallup
31:59
Speaker 2: put out. So in two thousand and one, ninety percent
32:05
Speaker 2: of Republicans were very proud of being American, eighty seven
32:11
Speaker 2: percent of Democrats were very proud of being American. So
32:14
Speaker 2: there's not really a partisan divide. And by the way,
32:16
Speaker 2: eighty four percent of independence were very proud, and so
32:19
Speaker 2: it was a two thousand and one.
32:22
Speaker 1: Okay, So yeah, get ready, folks, you're about to yeah Okay.
32:26
Speaker 2: Twenty five years ago it was ninety percent, eighty seven
32:29
Speaker 2: eighty four, So they were all clustered, they were all
32:30
Speaker 2: within a few points of each other. Basically, everyone, whether
32:33
Speaker 2: you were a Democrat or Republican, everyone eighty seven ninety
32:36
Speaker 2: percent percent. I'm very proud of being an American. So let's
32:40
Speaker 2: fast forward to two thousand and five. So two thousand
32:43
Speaker 2: and five, two thousand and one, ninety percent of Republicans
32:46
Speaker 2: were very proud of American to be American. In two
32:49
Speaker 2: thousand and five, ninety two percent of Republicans are very
32:53
Speaker 2: proud to be an American. So it actually has gone
32:54
Speaker 2: up a little bit for Republicans. What has happened for independence?
32:58
Speaker 2: So independence were at eighty four percent, and in twenty
33:01
Speaker 2: five years it's dropped from eighty four percent to fifty
33:05
Speaker 2: three percent.
33:07
Speaker 1: So almost a fifty to fifty split. That you're prideful
33:10
Speaker 1: in this country and you don't have pride in this country.
33:12
Speaker 1: That's among independence.
33:13
Speaker 2: That's scared, Okay, And I want to say the next
33:15
Speaker 2: stat is even more horrifying. So Democrats in two thousand
33:19
Speaker 2: and one, eighty seven percent of Democrats, I'm very proud
33:23
Speaker 2: to be an American. What do you think the number
33:26
Speaker 2: is in two thousand and five.
33:28
Speaker 1: I think the majority of Democrats hate this country, So
33:30
Speaker 1: I'm going to say twenty eight.
33:31
Speaker 2: Percent, So it's not quite that bad, but it's thirty
33:36
Speaker 2: six percent.
33:37
Speaker 1: I mean, well, and it again to twenty eight and
33:39
Speaker 1: a few more years, I guarantee you that.
33:41
Speaker 2: So it went from eighty seven percent to thirty six percent.
33:45
Speaker 2: So the differential. If you're a Republican, ninety two percent
33:49
Speaker 2: of you are proud to be an American. If you're Democrat,
33:51
Speaker 2: only thirty six percent are very proud to be an American.
33:55
Speaker 2: I got to say that is.
33:57
Speaker 1: How much of that center do you think is our
33:59
Speaker 1: public school? Says some of our universities like training up
34:01
Speaker 1: an entire generation to be a shade of America.
34:04
Speaker 2: It's indoctrinating leftists. And part of leftism is that America
34:09
Speaker 2: is evil. We are colonialist, oppressive nation. They're taught that
34:14
Speaker 2: capitalism is evil, and frankly, look, going back to the
34:18
Speaker 2: story we just covered again, I don't know Eileen Goo,
34:21
Speaker 2: but she's at Stanford. I assume she's been raised by
34:24
Speaker 2: leftists all her life. You know, she was asked, what
34:27
Speaker 2: do you think about the Communist Party committing a genic
34:31
Speaker 2: side against Wiggers, having over a million Wigers in concentration camps.
34:34
Speaker 2: And she said, hey, that's not my problem. I'm not
34:36
Speaker 2: worried about it. I don't mean the past judgment on her.
34:40
Speaker 2: But I'm just saying that is the fruit of leftists
34:46
Speaker 2: controlling our education system. That's saying you cannot have a
34:50
Speaker 2: view is mass murder good or bad. I'm sorry leftists
34:54
Speaker 2: say no, America is always bad. You cannot have a
34:56
Speaker 2: view on over a million people in concentration camps, on
34:59
Speaker 2: human slavery, on torture, on murder. No, no, no, America
35:02
Speaker 2: is always bad. And look, we saw this at the
35:06
Speaker 2: State of the Union. The moment that I thought defined
35:11
Speaker 2: the whole State of the Union address is when President
35:14
Speaker 2: Trump turned to the Democrats and he said, Okay, I'm
35:15
Speaker 2: gonna give you a chance to decide right now, stand
35:18
Speaker 2: up if you believe our first priority should be to
35:23
Speaker 2: fight for American citizens and not illegal aliens. And every
35:29
Speaker 2: single Democrat, all of them, one hundred percent, stayed sitting.
35:34
Speaker 2: By the way, that image is going to be played
35:37
Speaker 2: on a million campaign ads. I was talking to a
35:39
Speaker 2: very senior official in the Trump White House today and
35:43
Speaker 2: I was congratulating him on an incredibly successful State of
35:46
Speaker 2: the Union and I brought that up. I said that
35:48
Speaker 2: was the moment. He kind of laughed and he said, yeah.
35:50
Speaker 2: I argued against that. He said, I didn't think it
35:53
Speaker 2: would work. I didn't think they would fall for that.
35:56
Speaker 2: I thought they'd all stand up. Yeah, and he said,
35:58
Speaker 2: I thought it was at best fifty fifty. It's amazing,
36:01
Speaker 2: not a single look. I'm not very good at putting
36:03
Speaker 2: myself in the shoes of being a Democrat, but I would.
36:07
Speaker 1: Think that's a good thing. By the way.
36:08
Speaker 2: That's again, if I was a Democrat and heard that,
36:10
Speaker 2: I would have stood up and said, yeah, we stand
36:12
Speaker 2: for American citizens and not illegals. Like of course, twelve
36:16
Speaker 2: seconds ago, that would have been what they did. They're
36:18
Speaker 2: all so indoctrinated that every single one said, nope, we're
36:24
Speaker 2: with illegals and not American citizens. That's tragic.
36:28
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36:30
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