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LET'S BE CLEAR, Ivy League Schools Teach Students to Hate Jews! · The Ben Ferguson Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Anti Semitism on college campuses. It is at an alarming
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  Speaker 1: high right now. It is genuinely shocking to me just
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  Speaker 1: how bad the anti Semitism has become and how it's
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  Speaker 1: being advocated, supported, and not condoned by those who are
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  Speaker 1: in leadership at.
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  Speaker 2: The college campuses.
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  Speaker 1: Now you have to look no further than the hearing
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  Speaker 1: that took place in Washington, d C.
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  Speaker 2: This past week.
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  Speaker 1: The headlines pretty clear, pretty clear. Let me give you
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  Speaker 1: a couple of them. Uproar over university president's remarks on
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  Speaker 1: anti Semitism that coming from ABC News underscores the tensions
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  Speaker 1: on college campuses as university presidents have received backlash over
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  Speaker 1: their Capitol Hill testimony. Four hours of tense testimony on
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  Speaker 1: Capitol Hill this week with presidents of the nation's most
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  Speaker 1: elite colleges. They got kicked off with a flood of
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  Speaker 1: anger from donors, alumni, and politicians, but it also reignited
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  Speaker 1: ABC News says simmering tensions for students. College campuses, often
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  Speaker 1: the heart of debate in the US, have been a
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  Speaker 1: central point of protests and dialogue on the Israel Hamas
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  Speaker 1: war for the past two months, a role that also
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  Speaker 1: has brought tension, discomfort, and pain, Jewish and Palaesinian students
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  Speaker 1: said in interviews. Where they do agree is that they
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  Speaker 1: broadly don't feel supported by their school administration, something the
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  Speaker 1: hearing underscored. Now, let's just stop right there and talk
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  Speaker 1: about this article from ABC News.
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  Speaker 2: Where they do agree, referring to.
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  Speaker 1: Jews, Jewish and Palasian students is that they broadly don't
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  Speaker 1: feel support by their school administrations. Okay, to be clear,
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  Speaker 1: if you are on the side of Hamas, you shouldn't
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  Speaker 1: feel supported by your college campus. Like, let's be very
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  Speaker 1: very very very very very clear about that. And if
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  Speaker 1: you do feel like you're getting some support for your
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  Speaker 1: college campus, then your college campus is a campus that
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  Speaker 1: is an anti Semitic college campus, which brings me to
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  Speaker 1: the hearing. During this hearing, there was a very brave congresswoman,
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  Speaker 1: and that brave congresswoman asked a very simple question, Congresswoman
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  Speaker 1: Sephonic grilling the different presidents of these Ivy League schools
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  Speaker 1: about their anti Semitism that they have allowed to fester
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  Speaker 1: on their college campuses. I want you to listen to
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  Speaker 1: this hearing, and there's a very simple question that was asked.
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  Speaker 1: It's a yes or no question that was asked of
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  Speaker 1: all of these different presidents, and the arrogance and disdain
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  Speaker 1: for Jewish people coming from these presidents was abundantly clear.
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  Speaker 1: In fact, it's even costs one of these people, you're
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  Speaker 1: gonna hear their job as the University of Pennsylvania president
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  Speaker 1: stepped down amid criticism of anti Semitism testimony. But first
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  Speaker 1: listen to exactly what happened. And these are the people
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  Speaker 1: that are training our children in this country at the
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  Speaker 1: most elite universities.
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  Speaker 3: Doctor Gay, a Harvard student calling for the mass murder
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  Speaker 3: of African Americans is not protected free speech at Harvard?
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  Speaker 4: Correct?
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  Speaker 5: Our commitment to It's a.
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  Speaker 4: Yes or no question? Is that corrected?
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  Speaker 3: Is that okay for students to call for the mass
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  Speaker 3: murder of African Americans at Harvard?
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  Speaker 4: Is that protected free speech?
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  Speaker 5: Our commitment to free school?
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  Speaker 3: It's a yes or no question. Let me ask you this.
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  Speaker 3: You are president of Harvard, so I assume you're familiar
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  Speaker 3: with the term into fata.
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  Speaker 4: Correct.
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  Speaker 5: I've heard that term, yes.
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  Speaker 3: And you understand that the use of the term intifada
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  Speaker 3: in the context of the Israeli Arab conflict is indeed
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  Speaker 3: a call for violent arm resistance against the state of Israel,
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  Speaker 3: including violence against civilians and the genocide of Jews.
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  Speaker 4: Are you aware of.
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  Speaker 6: That that type of hateful speech is personally abhorrent to me?
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  Speaker 3: And there have been multiple marches at Harvard with students chanting,
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  Speaker 3: quote there is only one solution into fada revolution and
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  Speaker 3: quote globalize the intofada.
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  Speaker 4: Is that correct?
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  Speaker 6: I've heard that thoughtless, reckless, and hateful language on our campus.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, So, based upon your testimony, you understand that this
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  Speaker 3: call for intefada is to commit genocide against the Jewish
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  Speaker 3: people in Israel and globally.
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  Speaker 4: Correct.
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  Speaker 6: I will say again that type of hateful speech is
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  Speaker 6: personally abhorrent to me.
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  Speaker 3: Do you believe that type of hateful speech is contrary
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  Speaker 3: to Harvard's code of conduct?
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  Speaker 6: Or is it allowed at Harvard? It is at odds
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  Speaker 6: with the values of Harvard.
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  Speaker 3: Can you not say here that it is against the
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  Speaker 3: code of conduct at Harvard?
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  Speaker 6: We embrace a commitment to free expression, even of views
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  Speaker 6: that are objectionable, offensive, hateful. It's when that speech crosses
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  Speaker 6: into conduct that violates our policies against bullying?
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  Speaker 4: Does that speech not cost that barrier?
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  Speaker 3: Does that speech not call for the genocide of Jews
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  Speaker 3: and the.
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  Speaker 4: Elimination of Israel. When you testify that, you.
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  Speaker 3: Understand that is the definition of intofada.
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  Speaker 4: Is that speech according to the code of conduct or not.
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  Speaker 6: We embrace a commitment to free expression and give a
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  Speaker 6: wide berth to free expression, even of views that are objectionable.
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  Speaker 4: You and I both know that's not the case.
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  Speaker 3: You were aware that Harvard ranked dead last when it
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  Speaker 3: came to free speech?
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  Speaker 4: Are you not aware of that report?
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  Speaker 6: As I observed earlier, I reject that characterization.
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  Speaker 4: It's the data shows it's true.
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  Speaker 3: And isn't it true that Harvard previously rescinded multiple offers
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  Speaker 3: of admissions for applicants and accepted freshmen for sharing offensive memes,
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  Speaker 3: racist statements, sometimes as young as sixteen years old?
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  Speaker 4: Did Harvard not rescind those offers of admission?
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  Speaker 6: That long predates my time as present, But you understand.
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  Speaker 3: That Harvard made that decision to resin those offers of admission.
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  Speaker 6: I have no reason to contradict the facts as you
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  Speaker 6: present them.
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  Speaker 4: Correct, because it's a fact.
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  Speaker 3: You're also aware that a Winthrop House faculty dean was
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  Speaker 3: let go over who he chose to legally represent.
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  Speaker 4: Correct that was while you were dean.
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  Speaker 5: That is an incorrect characterization. Avoid transfer.
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  Speaker 4: What's the characterization?
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  Speaker 6: I'm not going to get into details about a personnel matter.
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  Speaker 3: Well, let me ask you this, Will admissions offers be
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  Speaker 3: rescinded or any disciplinary action be taken against students or
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  Speaker 3: applicants who say from the river to the sea or
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  Speaker 3: into fada advocating for the murder of Jews?
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  Speaker 6: As I've said, that type of hateful, reckless, offensive speech
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  Speaker 6: is personally abhorrent to.
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  Speaker 4: Me, and today that no action will be taken.
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  Speaker 6: What action will be taken when speech crosses into conduct
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  Speaker 6: that violates our policies, including policies against bullying, harassment, or intimidation.
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  Speaker 6: We take action, and we have robust disciplinary processes that
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  Speaker 6: allow us to hold individuals accountable.
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  Speaker 3: What action has been taken against students who are harassing
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  Speaker 3: and calling for the genocide of Jews on Harvard's campus?
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  Speaker 5: I can assure you we have robust.
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  Speaker 4: What actions have been taken?
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  Speaker 3: I'm not askings underway, I'm asking what actions have been taken.
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  Speaker 4: Against the students.
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  Speaker 6: Given students' rights to privacy and our obligations under FURPA,
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  Speaker 6: I will not say more about any specific cases other
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  Speaker 6: than to reiterate that processes are ongoing.
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  Speaker 4: Do you know what the number one hate crime in
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  Speaker 4: America is?
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  Speaker 6: I know that over the last couple of months there
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  Speaker 6: has been an alarming rise of anti Semitism, which I
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  Speaker 6: understand is the critical topic that we are here to discuss.
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  Speaker 3: That's correct, It is anti Jewish hate crimes, and Harvard
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  Speaker 3: ranks the lowest when it comes to protecting Jewish students.
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  Speaker 3: This is why I've called for your resignation and your
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  Speaker 3: testimony today. Not being able to answer with moral charity
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  Speaker 3: speaks volumes I yield back.
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  Speaker 1: these presidents of these colleges actually are at the University
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  Speaker 1: of Pennsylvania, Harvard and MIT. And one of those congresswomen
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  Speaker 2: And this is after, by the way, these.
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  Speaker 1: Other two university presidents had heard this tough back and forth.
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  Speaker 1: were caught off guard, as some have tried to describe it,
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  Speaker 1: then clearly what they would do is they would have said, hey,
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  Speaker 1: after they witnessed what happened with Harvard's president there in
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  Speaker 1: should play it a little bit differently.
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  Speaker 2: That's not what they did.
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  Speaker 1: In fact, with their arrogance, they decided to double down
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  Speaker 1: on their anti semitism.
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  Speaker 6: Listen, Madam Chair, I'd like to yield the balance of
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  Speaker 3: Doctor Kornbluth at MIT, does calling for the genocide of
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  Speaker 3: Jews violate MIT's code of conduct or rules regarding bullying
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  Speaker 3: and harassment?
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  Speaker 4: Yes?
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  Speaker 7: Or No, they've targeted at individuals not making public statements.
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  Speaker 4: Yes or no.
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  Speaker 3: Calling for the genocide of Jews does not constitute bullying
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  Speaker 3: and harassment.
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  Speaker 7: I have not heard calling for the genocide for Jews
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  Speaker 7: on our campus.
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  Speaker 3: But you've heard chance for Intifada.
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  Speaker 7: I've heard chance, which can be antisemitic depending on the context,
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  Speaker 7: when calling for the elimination of the Jewish people.
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  Speaker 3: So those would not be according to the MIT's code
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  Speaker 3: of conduct.
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  Speaker 7: Or rules, that would be investigated of as harassment if
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  Speaker 7: pervasive and severe.
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  Speaker 3: Ms McGill at Penn, does calling for the genocide of
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  Speaker 3: Jews violate Pen's rules or code of conduct?
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  Speaker 8: Yes?
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  Speaker 9: Or no.
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  Speaker 10: If the speech turns into conduct, it can be harassment.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, I am asking specifically calling for the genocide of Jews.
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  Speaker 4: Does that constitute bullying or harassment?
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  Speaker 10: If it is directed and severe or pervasive, it is harassment.
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  Speaker 4: So the answer is yes.
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  Speaker 10: It is a context dependent decision, Congresswoman.
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  Speaker 3: It's a context dependent decision. That's your testimony today. Calling
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  Speaker 3: for the genocide of Jews is, depending upon the context,
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  Speaker 3: that is not bullying or harassment.
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  Speaker 4: This is the easiest question to answer.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, Miss McGill, So is your testimony that you will
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  Speaker 3: not answer yes.
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  Speaker 5: If it is.
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  Speaker 10: If the speech becomes conduct, it can be harassment.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, conduct meaning committing the act of genocide. The speech
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  Speaker 3: is not harassment. This is unacceptable, Mismaguil. I'm going to
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  Speaker 3: give you one more opportunity for the world to see
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  Speaker 3: your answer. Does calling for the genocide of Jews violate
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  Speaker 3: pens code of conduct when it comes to bullying and harassment?
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  Speaker 4: Yes? Or no?
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  Speaker 5: It can be harassment.
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  Speaker 3: The answer is yes, and doctor Gay at Harvard, does
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  Speaker 3: calling for the genocide of Jews? Violate Harvard's rules of
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  Speaker 3: bullying and harassment?
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  Speaker 4: Yes?
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  Speaker 11: Or no.
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  Speaker 5: It can be depending on the context.
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  Speaker 4: What's the context?
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  Speaker 6: Target it as an individual, targeted at an individual, It's.
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  Speaker 3: Targeted at Jewish students, Jewish individuals. Do you understand your
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  Speaker 3: testimony is dehumanizing them? Do you understand that dehumanization is
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  Speaker 3: part of anti Semitism?
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  Speaker 4: I will ask you one more time.
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  Speaker 3: Does calling for the genocide of Jews violate Harvard's rules
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  Speaker 3: of bullying and harassment?
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  Speaker 4: Yes?
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  Speaker 12: Or no?
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  Speaker 5: Anti Semitic rhetoric?
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  Speaker 4: And is it anti Semitic rhetoric?
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  Speaker 6: Anti Semitic rhetoric when it crosses into conduct that amounts
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  Speaker 6: to bullying, harassment, intimidation. That is actionable conduct, and we
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  Speaker 6: do take action.
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  Speaker 3: So the answer is yes, that calling for the genocide
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  Speaker 3: of Jews violates Harvard Code of Conduct.
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  Speaker 4: Correct.
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  Speaker 5: Again, it depends on the context.
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  Speaker 3: It does not depend on the context. The answer is yes,
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  Speaker 3: and this is why you should resign. These are unacceptable
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  Speaker 3: answers across the board.
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  Speaker 1: She's right, by the way, the fact that they can't
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  Speaker 1: even answer that simple of a question about genocide. Now
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  Speaker 1: the University of Pennsylvania president, and this is only because alumni,
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  Speaker 1: some that were willing to give up to I pledged
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  Speaker 1: to give up to one hundred million dollars to the university,
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  Speaker 1: have finally forced that president to step down. The Today
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  Speaker 1: Show talking about it this morning. This is how they
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  Speaker 1: reported this story, which also was a little bit suspected.
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  Speaker 1: And again just listen to this as they finally announced
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  Speaker 1: that the University of penn president has resigned under.
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  Speaker 2: Pressure this morning.
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  Speaker 11: The University of Pennsylvania is looking for a new leader.
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  Speaker 11: President Liz McGill resigning Saturday afternoon. The announcement made via
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  Speaker 11: letter from the Ivy League School Board of Trustee Chair
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  Speaker 11: Scott Buck, who also stepped down the letter, including a
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  Speaker 11: statement from McGill, who wrote, it has been my privilege
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  Speaker 11: to serve as president of this remarkable institution. The departing
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  Speaker 11: president will remain as a tenured faculty member. It comes
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  Speaker 11: after days of mounting pressure following McGill's appearance at a
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  Speaker 11: house hearing on anti Semitism, where she had this exchange
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  Speaker 11: with New York Congresswoman Elis Stephonic.
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  Speaker 3: I am asking specifically calling for the genocide of Jews?
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  Speaker 4: Does that constitute bullying? A harassment?
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  Speaker 10: If it is directed and severe pervasive, it is harassment.
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  Speaker 10: If the speech becomes conduct, it can be harassment.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, conduct, meaning committing the act of genocide.
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  Speaker 11: McGill's failure to reject calls for genocide resulted in widespread
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  Speaker 11: backlash from students, faculty, business leaders, and lawmakers. Leaders have
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  Speaker 11: a responsibility to speak and act with moral clarity, and
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  Speaker 11: Liz McGill failed to lead that simple task. Prasteavonic also
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  Speaker 11: pressed the presidents of Harvard and MIT during the hearing,
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  Speaker 11: who now face similar pressure to resign. On Saturday, the
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  Speaker 11: congresswoman posting on X one down two to go. After
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  Speaker 11: the hearing, McGill attempted to clarify her remarks.
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  Speaker 8: I was not focused on, but I should have been
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  Speaker 8: the irrefutable fact that a call for genocide of Jewish
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  Speaker 8: people is a call for some of the most terrible
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  Speaker 8: violence to and be can perpetrate.
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  Speaker 11: But an audience of the school's mega donors was unmoved,
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  Speaker 11: some threatening to pull hundreds of millions of dollars unless
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  Speaker 11: she resigned.
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  Speaker 2: She kind of got strong arm at the position.
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  Speaker 4: I think removing her does kind of like Believia some
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  Speaker 4: of that hurt.
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  Speaker 2: At the board of Trustees didn't announce.
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  Speaker 11: They announced plans for an interim leader here at Penn
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  Speaker 11: in the coming days. Meanwhile, the Board of Trustees has
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  Speaker 11: appointed their vice chair, Julie Platt to be the interim chair.
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  Speaker 11: She happens to be in a lum and the mother
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  Speaker 11: of actor Ben Platt.
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  Speaker 1: Really, by the way, let's just get one thing straight.
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  Speaker 1: Did you notice early in that report what they said
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  Speaker 1: the University of Penn president that resigned stepped down still
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  Speaker 1: is employed by the university in a tenured position spot
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  Speaker 1: in the law school, from what I understand, So she
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  Speaker 1: didn't lose her benefits, she didn't lose her salary, she
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  Speaker 1: didn't lose her job. In fact, she is a tenured
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  Speaker 1: professor of law from what I understand, So the fact
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  Speaker 1: that the chair of the Pen Board of Trustees announces
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  Speaker 1: that Liz McGill has voluntarily stepped down as the university president.
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  Speaker 2: Doesn't mean jack crap. She still has all of.
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  Speaker 1: The same benefits of being an employee. So the University
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  Speaker 1: of Pen didn't learn anything here. Yeah, okay, fine, you
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  Speaker 1: can't be the president anymore, but don't worry. You can
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  Speaker 1: still have your job in doctrinating kids in the law school.
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  Speaker 1: We've got your back. Don't worry. Wink wink, nod nod.
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  Speaker 1: You're one of us. You're an anti Semite. We're gonna
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  Speaker 1: tell everybody you still have your job. You have to
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  Speaker 1: move out of your house. No, you gotta miss a paycheck. No,
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  Speaker 1: are you gonna lose your health care? No, are you
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  Speaker 1: gonna lose your free food on campus, which.
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  Speaker 2: I'm assuming they get. No are you gonna.
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  Speaker 1: Are we gonna take away you know your tenured status?
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  Speaker 11: No?
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  Speaker 1: Are you still having you seven off us on campus? Yes,
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  Speaker 1: it's all your your your your you know your your
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  Speaker 1: letter head, and stay sharing everything else that is prestigious
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  Speaker 1: with this university on it still have your name on it. Yes, hey,
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  Speaker 1: we still have your back. So what's the real consequence
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  Speaker 1: for her? Okay, you can't be the president of the school,
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  Speaker 1: but you can still be a tenured professor in law school,
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  Speaker 1: and you can still indoctrinate children to believe this crap.
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  Speaker 1: Let's also be clear about why she's no longer the
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  Speaker 1: president of the University of penn It is only because
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: the amount of money that they were going to lose
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  Speaker 1: was too great for them to overcome. It wasn't because
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: they disagreed with what she said. It was about the money.
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: Let me say something else about these two other presidents
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  Speaker 1: that have not been fired. Yes, the University of Pennsylvania
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: president steps down, still has her job, still going to
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  Speaker 1: get tenured, you know, professor job. She's still there, gonna
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: make great money. Nothing really changes for her that much.
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  Speaker 1: For Liz McGill. Yeah, okay, So I resigned for my
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  Speaker 1: post after facing criticism, intense criticism, even from the White House, lawmakers, alumni.
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  Speaker 1: But it was all about the money. There was too
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: much money that they were going to lose, right, too
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: much money. So they said, okay, fine, and then they
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: put out this message, this University of Penn put out
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  Speaker 1: a video message from the President, Liz McGill on x
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: It was the most it was the most pathetic response
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  Speaker 1: I've ever seen to a massive fallout. But the good
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: news is there's genuine national outcry now. These university presidents
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: exchanges with Congress from Stephonic, they went viral for all
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  Speaker 1: the right reasons, drawing furious criticism for all the right
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  Speaker 1: reasons from political leaders of both parties, as well as
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: the Jewish community, advocates as well as alumni and more importantly,
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: the donors. Tell you what the White House even said
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: about this. In a statement Wednesday, the White House spokesman
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: Andrew Bates said, quote, it's unbelievable that this needs to
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: be said. Calls for genocide are monstrous and anti Semitic,
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: anti ethical to everything we represent as a country. Any
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: statement that advocates for the systematic murder of Jews are
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: dangerous and revolting. The White House, We're on to say,
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: and we should all stand firmly against them on the
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: side of human dignity and most basic values that united
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  Speaker 1: as Americans. That's the White House's statement condemning these three
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: presidents who were just arrogant and cocky and sitting there
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: saying I refuse to admit we're wrong. Even the Democratic
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: governor of Pennsylvania, Josh Shapiro, told reporters that Miguel's response
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: was unacceptable, saying, que I've said many times leaders have
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: a responsibility to speak and act with moral clarity, and
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  Speaker 1: Liz McGill failed to meet that simple test. This Democrat,
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: the governor said, quote, I think whether you're talking about
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  Speaker 1: genocide against Jews, genocide against people colored, genocide against LGBTQ folks, it's.
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  Speaker 2: All in the wrong.
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  Speaker 1: The governor added that he believed the university's board needed
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: to make a serious decision about McGill's leadership at the
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  Speaker 1: Ivy League University. Then Ross Stevens, a pen a lum
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  Speaker 1: and CEO of the financial firm Stone Ridge Holding, sent
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: a letter to the university threatening to pull the one
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: hundred million dollars worth of shares of his company that
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: are held by the university unless McGill vacated her post.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: And that's finally when they did the right thing. It
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: wasn't that they actually did the right thing. It's the
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: fact that Ross Stevens, this penn alum said one hundred
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: million dollars will disappear if you don't fire, and they said, okay, fine,
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: that's one hundred million dollars.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: We got to get rid of her. But don't worry.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: We'll let her keep her job in the law school
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: and she'll be tenured and she'll still make a living.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: In the letter, which was obtained by NBC News, Stevens
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: side of McGill's congressional testimony and said he is appalled
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  Speaker 1: by the university stants on anti Semitism on campus. Miguel's
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: high profile critics include the billionaire investor Bill Ackman, who
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: repeatedly called for her Oulster on X now the focus
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: turns the present gay and the other president of the
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: boards of Harvard and MIT, he tweeted over the weekend
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: after McGill's exit, Sephonic announced Thursday at the House Education
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: Workforce Committee was launching a congressional investigation with a full
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: force of subpoena power into penn University of Pennsylvania, into MIT,
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: and as well as Harvard and other unspecified universities, saying quote,
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: we will use our full congressional authority to hold these
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: schools accountable for their failure on the global stage. You
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: go back and you listen to what she said. You
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: go back and listen to all three of these presidents,
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: and it's a bigger issue. And the warning that and
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: the takeaway that I want you to take away from
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: this is this, these universities have gone from being centers
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: of intellectual pride and excellence to being political propaganda machines
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  Speaker 1: for communism, socialism, and Marxism.
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: The fact that.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: It took a member of Congress to expose the anti
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: semitism in universities and yet still two of the three,
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: the majority of these universities presidents are still there. And
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: by the way, that even the one that was that
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: stepped down is still there, still teaching. You've got to
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: ask yourself this question. You've got to ask yourself this,
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: Why would anyone want to send their kid there? Why
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: would we want to send any of our children to
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: universities that are willing to indoctrinate those children with this
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: type of anti semitic rhetoric. I want you to hear
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: this from ABC News this morning on their roundtable discussion
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: about these presidents.
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  Speaker 13: Listen the turn to that pretty fiery Congressional hearing this
• 24:59
  Speaker 13: week with the present events of Harvard MIT and UPenn
• 25:04
  Speaker 13: who were asked about comments from students about genocide and
• 25:08
  Speaker 13: anti Semitic comments, and let's just say, did very poorly
• 25:13
  Speaker 13: with their responses, very poorly. The UPenn president has already resigned.
• 25:18
  Speaker 13: You're a Harvard law girl, how do you view this?
• 25:21
  Speaker 13: Should the others resign?
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  Speaker 9: Yes, but maybe not just because they had a catastrophic
• 25:27
  Speaker 9: congressional hearing. They should resign because these universities have failed.
• 25:32
  Speaker 9: This wasn't a messaging problem with the congressional hearing. It's
• 25:34
  Speaker 9: a policy problem. They have policies against disrupting class, assaulting
• 25:39
  Speaker 9: Jewish students in the library, drawing swastikas on campus. That's
• 25:43
  Speaker 9: not a free speech issue. But they're not enforcing their
• 25:47
  Speaker 9: policies in the way that they have enforced them in
• 25:49
  Speaker 9: the past. It would be great if as a result
• 25:51
  Speaker 9: of this, these universities became the free speech bastions that
• 25:54
  Speaker 9: we have been pressuring them to become. But my fear
• 25:57
  Speaker 9: is that in fact, it will be just this you know,
• 26:00
  Speaker 9: moment where they're like, no, no, no, we're for free speech
• 26:01
  Speaker 9: at this moment because this is the speech that is
• 26:04
  Speaker 9: unpopular that we like. But when it goes back to
• 26:07
  Speaker 9: being something on progressive issues. Then speech is violence again,
• 26:11
  Speaker 9: and they will suddenly find a way to enforce their
• 26:12
  Speaker 9: policies on campus.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, that was on ABC.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: There was also something else that was said Faried Zakaria
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: on his show on CNN. Now, this is a hardcore
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: lefty right and it says America is losing faith in
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: its universities. What it should say is America's losing faith
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: in its elite universities. Listen to his intro to his commentary,
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: and this is the guy that I like, never agree with.
• 26:40
  Speaker 12: Here's my take. When one thing's of America's greatest strengths,
• 26:44
  Speaker 12: the kind of assets the world looks at with admiration
• 26:47
  Speaker 12: and envy, America's elite universities would long have been at
• 26:51
  Speaker 12: the top of that list. But the American public has
• 26:54
  Speaker 12: been losing faith in these universities for good reason. Three
• 27:00
  Speaker 12: university presidents came under fire this week for their vague
• 27:03
  Speaker 12: and indecisive answers when asked whether calling for the genocide
• 27:07
  Speaker 12: of Jews would violate their institution's codes of conduct. But
• 27:11
  Speaker 12: to understand their performance, we have to understand the broad
• 27:15
  Speaker 12: shift that has taken place at elite universities, which have
• 27:19
  Speaker 12: gone from being centers of excellence to institutions pushing political agendas.
• 27:26
  Speaker 12: People sense the transformation, As Paul Toff has pointed out,
• 27:30
  Speaker 12: the share of young adults who said a college degree
• 27:33
  Speaker 12: was very important fell from seventy four percent in twenty
• 27:37
  Speaker 12: thirteen to just forty one percent in twenty nineteen. In
• 27:41
  Speaker 12: twenty eighteen, sixty one percent of those polls said higher
• 27:45
  Speaker 12: education was headed in the wrong direction, and only thirty
• 27:49
  Speaker 12: eight percent felt it was on the right track. In
• 27:51
  Speaker 12: twenty sixteen, seventy percent of America's high school graduates were
• 27:55
  Speaker 12: headed for college. Now that number is sixty two percent.
• 27:59
  Speaker 12: This sour on higher education makes America an outlier among
• 28:04
  Speaker 12: all advanced nations. American universities have been neglecting a core
• 28:09
  Speaker 12: focus on excellence in order to pursue a variety of agendas,
• 28:12
  Speaker 12: many of them clustered around diversity and inclusion. It started
• 28:17
  Speaker 12: with the best of intentions. Colleges wanted to make sure
• 28:20
  Speaker 12: young people of all backgrounds had access to higher education
• 28:23
  Speaker 12: and felt comfortable on campus. But those good intentions have
• 28:27
  Speaker 12: morphed into a dogmatic ideology and turned these universities into
• 28:31
  Speaker 12: places where the pervasive goals are political and social engineering,
• 28:36
  Speaker 12: not academic merit, as the evidence produced for the recent
• 28:40
  Speaker 12: Supreme Court case on affirmative action showed universities have systematically
• 28:45
  Speaker 12: downplayed merit based criteria for admissions in favor of racial quotas.
• 28:51
  Speaker 12: Some university's response to this ruling seems to be that
• 28:54
  Speaker 12: they will go further down this path, eliminating the requirement
• 28:58
  Speaker 12: for any standardized test like the sas That move would
• 29:02
  Speaker 12: allow them to then take students with little reference to
• 29:04
  Speaker 12: objective criteria. Of course, those who would suffer most would
• 29:09
  Speaker 12: be bright students from poor backgrounds who normally use tests
• 29:13
  Speaker 12: like the SAT to demonstrate their qualifications in the humanities.
• 29:17
  Speaker 12: Hiring for new academic positions now appears to center on
• 29:21
  Speaker 12: the race and gender of the applicant, as well as
• 29:24
  Speaker 12: the subject matter, which needs to be about marginalized groups.
• 29:28
  Speaker 12: A white man studying the American presidency does not have
• 29:32
  Speaker 12: a prayer of getting tenure at a major history department
• 29:35
  Speaker 12: in America today.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: That's a guy on CNN saying this, when you've lost CNN,
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: you're the worst people in the world. And these universities
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: and the other two presidents they deserve to lose their
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: job and not be given a golden parachute where it's like, hey,
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: we still got your back, like they did the University
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: of Penn. Hey you're still going to be a tenured professor.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: You can still indoctrinate kids. Hey, Jews, we don't worry,
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: We've got you. Everyone should be calling for these university
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: presidents to be gone, not just from the title, but
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: from the university. The University of Pen president who's now
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: the former president is still a dangerous person infecting the
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: minds of young people at that university. She did not
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: lose a job, she lost a title, And everybody should
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: be looking at these other universities saying the same thing.
• 30:34
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