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- 0:00Foreign.
- 0:05Welcome
- 0:06back
- 0:06my
- 0:07friends
- 0:07to
- 0:07another
- 0:07episode
- 0:08of
- 0:08Pearls
- 0:08and
- 0:09Prep.
- 0:09This
- 0:09is
- 0:09NPC
- 0:10here
- 0:10your
- 0:10preceptor
- 0:11in
- 0:11your
- 0:11pocket,
- 0:11your
- 0:11go
- 0:12to
- 0:12place
- 0:12for
- 0:12pearls
- 0:13that
- 0:13prep
- 0:13you
- 0:14to
- 0:14practice.
- 0:15We
- 0:15have
- 0:15a
- 0:16board
- 0:16bombs
- 0:17bonanza
- 0:18today,
- 0:18that's
- 0:19one
- 0:19question.
- 0:19But
- 0:19it's
- 0:20super
- 0:20high
- 0:20yield,
- 0:21it's
- 0:21super
- 0:21fascinating,
- 0:22it's
- 0:22super
- 0:22interesting
- 0:23and
- 0:24we
- 0:24are
- 0:24going
- 0:25to
- 0:25get
- 0:25right
- 0:25to
- 0:26it.
- 0:26My
- 0:26friends,
- 0:27without
- 0:27further
- 0:27ado,
- 0:28you
- 0:28have
- 0:28a
- 0:2942
- 0:30year
- 0:30old
- 0:30woman
- 0:31named
- 0:32Henrietta.
- 0:33Now
- 0:33she's
- 0:33probably
- 0:33the
- 0:34only
- 0:3442
- 0:34year
- 0:35old
- 0:35woman
- 0:35named
- 0:35Henrietta.
- 0:36However,
- 0:36she's
- 0:37a
- 0:37mock
- 0:37patient
- 0:38and
- 0:39she
- 0:39has
- 0:39bipolar
- 0:402
- 0:40disorder.
- 0:40She's
- 0:41stable
- 0:41on
- 0:41lithium
- 0:42900.
- 0:42Her
- 0:43level
- 0:43is
- 0:430.8
- 0:44mil
- 0:45equivalents
- 0:45per
- 0:45liter
- 0:47and
- 0:48she's
- 0:48on
- 0:48abilify
- 0:4915
- 0:49milligrams
- 0:50every
- 0:50day
- 0:51for
- 0:51the
- 0:51last
- 0:52several
- 0:52months.
- 0:53And
- 0:53she's
- 0:53here
- 0:54for
- 0:54a
- 0:54routine
- 0:54follow
- 0:55up.
- 0:55Now
- 0:56she
- 0:56tells
- 0:56you
- 0:56her
- 0:56mood
- 0:56is
- 0:57the
- 0:57best
- 0:57it's
- 0:57been
- 0:57in
- 0:58years.
- 0:58She's
- 0:58really
- 0:59not
- 0:59depressed.
- 0:59There's
- 0:59no
- 1:00Hypomanic
- 1:00episodes
- 1:01or
- 1:01PHQ
- 1:019
- 1:01is
- 1:022,
- 1:02which
- 1:03is
- 1:03great.
- 1:04She
- 1:04denies
- 1:04any
- 1:05major
- 1:05mood
- 1:05symptoms.
- 1:06But
- 1:06her
- 1:06husband
- 1:07who's
- 1:07with
- 1:07her
- 1:08kind
- 1:08of
- 1:09pulls
- 1:09you
- 1:09aside
- 1:09and
- 1:09says,
- 1:10hey,
- 1:10listen,
- 1:10for
- 1:10the
- 1:10last
- 1:11three
- 1:11months
- 1:11Henrietta
- 1:12has
- 1:13been
- 1:13spending
- 1:14like
- 1:14four
- 1:14to
- 1:14six
- 1:15hours
- 1:15every
- 1:15night
- 1:16playing
- 1:16online
- 1:16poker.
- 1:17Texas
- 1:17Hold'.
- 1:18Em.
- 1:18Okay?
- 1:19She's
- 1:19opened
- 1:20up
- 1:20two
- 1:20new
- 1:20credit
- 1:21cards,
- 1:21she's
- 1:22lost
- 1:22like
- 1:2212
- 1:22grand
- 1:23and
- 1:24she's
- 1:24really
- 1:24never
- 1:24been
- 1:24a
- 1:25gambler.
- 1:26She's
- 1:26telling
- 1:26you
- 1:26she
- 1:27doesn't
- 1:27feel
- 1:27high,
- 1:27her
- 1:28sleep
- 1:28is
- 1:28great,
- 1:29her
- 1:29mental
- 1:29status
- 1:30exam
- 1:30is
- 1:30pretty
- 1:30unremarkable.
- 1:31She's
- 1:31in
- 1:31good,
- 1:32cheerful
- 1:32spirits.
- 1:33Not
- 1:33like
- 1:34hypomanic
- 1:34though.
- 1:35She's
- 1:35organized,
- 1:36no
- 1:36pressured
- 1:36speech
- 1:37and
- 1:37she's
- 1:37not
- 1:37grandiose.
- 1:39So
- 1:39my
- 1:40friends,
- 1:40what
- 1:40is
- 1:40your
- 1:40next
- 1:41most
- 1:41appropriate
- 1:43best
- 1:43step
- 1:43here?
- 1:44Is
- 1:44it
- 1:44A,
- 1:45increase
- 1:45her
- 1:45abilify
- 1:46to
- 1:4620
- 1:46milligrams
- 1:47to
- 1:47address
- 1:48her
- 1:49emerging
- 1:50impulsivity?
- 1:51Is
- 1:51it
- 1:52B,
- 1:53add
- 1:53Depakote
- 1:54for
- 1:54impulse
- 1:54control
- 1:55augmentation?
- 1:56Is
- 1:56it
- 1:56C,
- 1:57Discontinu,
- 1:57abilify
- 1:58and
- 1:58reassess.
- 1:59Is
- 1:59it
- 1:59D?
- 2:00Obtain
- 2:00a
- 2:00urine
- 2:01drug
- 2:01screen
- 2:01and
- 2:01check
- 2:02the
- 2:02lithium
- 2:02level.
- 2:03Or
- 2:03is
- 2:04it
- 2:04E?
- 2:04Refer
- 2:05to
- 2:05CBT
- 2:05for
- 2:06gambling
- 2:06disorder
- 2:07and
- 2:07you
- 2:07can
- 2:07continue
- 2:08the
- 2:08current
- 2:08regimen.
- 2:09I'll
- 2:09let
- 2:09you
- 2:10all
- 2:10think
- 2:10about
- 2:10this
- 2:10for
- 2:10a
- 2:11minute,
- 2:12how
- 2:12you
- 2:12can
- 2:12help
- 2:13Henrietta.
- 2:14You
- 2:14can
- 2:14pause
- 2:14this,
- 2:15break
- 2:15out
- 2:15into
- 2:15your
- 2:16zoom
- 2:16sessions
- 2:18and
- 2:18I'm
- 2:19gonna
- 2:19go
- 2:19into
- 2:19the
- 2:19answers
- 2:20right
- 2:20now.
- 2:20But
- 2:21you
- 2:21know
- 2:21how
- 2:21I
- 2:21like
- 2:21to
- 2:22do
- 2:22this?
- 2:22I
- 2:22like
- 2:22to
- 2:23go
- 2:23into
- 2:23the
- 2:23wrong
- 2:23answers
- 2:24first.
- 2:24Okay?
- 2:25Okay.
- 2:26So
- 2:28all
- 2:28of
- 2:28these
- 2:29answers
- 2:29sound
- 2:30somewhat
- 2:30reasonable
- 2:31at
- 2:32face
- 2:32value.
- 2:32Okay?
- 2:33So
- 2:34unlike
- 2:34a
- 2:34lot
- 2:34of
- 2:34my
- 2:35other
- 2:35board
- 2:35bombs,
- 2:36this
- 2:36one
- 2:37is
- 2:38pretty
- 2:38safe.
- 2:39If
- 2:39you
- 2:39wanna
- 2:39blurt
- 2:40out
- 2:40a
- 2:40wrong
- 2:40answer
- 2:40and
- 2:41you
- 2:41won't
- 2:41look
- 2:42ridiculous
- 2:43doing
- 2:43it,
- 2:43okay?
- 2:44I
- 2:44told
- 2:45you,
- 2:45this
- 2:46is
- 2:46just
- 2:46a
- 2:46podcast.
- 2:47There's
- 2:47no
- 2:47corporal
- 2:47punishment
- 2:48punishment
- 2:49here.
- 2:49I
- 2:50don't
- 2:50whip
- 2:50out
- 2:50a
- 2:50ruler
- 2:51and
- 2:51spank
- 2:51your
- 2:51tush
- 2:52or
- 2:52twist
- 2:52your
- 2:52ear
- 2:53or
- 2:54make
- 2:54you
- 2:54stand
- 2:54in
- 2:55the
- 2:55corner,
- 2:56bang
- 2:56your
- 2:56head
- 2:56against
- 2:56the
- 2:57window.
- 2:57This
- 2:57is
- 2:57a
- 2:57safe
- 2:58place.
- 2:58This
- 2:59is
- 2:59a
- 2:59safe
- 2:59classroom.
- 3:00I
- 3:00want
- 3:00you
- 3:00all
- 3:00to
- 3:01know
- 3:01that.
- 3:01I
- 3:01want
- 3:02you
- 3:02all
- 3:02to
- 3:02feel
- 3:02that.
- 3:03Okay?
- 3:05So
- 3:06I
- 3:06don't
- 3:07like
- 3:07some
- 3:07of
- 3:07these
- 3:07answers,
- 3:08okay?
- 3:08I
- 3:08don't
- 3:09really
- 3:09love
- 3:10the
- 3:10Depakote
- 3:10answer.
- 3:11Depakote
- 3:12is
- 3:12pretty
- 3:13good
- 3:13for
- 3:13impulsivity.
- 3:14Does
- 3:14have
- 3:14some
- 3:14evidence
- 3:15for
- 3:15that.
- 3:16But
- 3:16I
- 3:16don't
- 3:17like
- 3:17adding
- 3:17a
- 3:17medication
- 3:18if
- 3:19we
- 3:19know
- 3:20that
- 3:20the
- 3:20principal
- 3:21problem
- 3:22has
- 3:22not
- 3:23been
- 3:23addressed
- 3:23yet.
- 3:24Okay?
- 3:25And
- 3:26I'll
- 3:26just
- 3:26tell
- 3:26you
- 3:26straight
- 3:27out,
- 3:27the
- 3:27problem
- 3:28here
- 3:28is
- 3:28her
- 3:28Abilify.
- 3:29Okay?
- 3:30The
- 3:30problem
- 3:30is
- 3:31her
- 3:31Abilify.
- 3:32And
- 3:32so
- 3:32adding
- 3:33Depakote
- 3:34to
- 3:35a
- 3:35problem
- 3:35that
- 3:36can
- 3:36be
- 3:36solved
- 3:36by
- 3:37lowering
- 3:37or
- 3:38eliminating
- 3:39Abilify
- 3:40just
- 3:40makes
- 3:40no
- 3:41sense.
- 3:41Please,
- 3:42in
- 3:42your
- 3:42careers,
- 3:43never
- 3:43add
- 3:44something
- 3:45when
- 3:45something
- 3:45can
- 3:45be
- 3:46subtracted.
- 3:46There's
- 3:47like
- 3:47a
- 3:47fancy
- 3:48human
- 3:48bias
- 3:49that
- 3:50is
- 3:50out
- 3:51there.
- 3:51It's
- 3:51famous.
- 3:51I
- 3:52don't
- 3:52know
- 3:52it
- 3:52off
- 3:52the
- 3:52top
- 3:52of
- 3:53my
- 3:53head,
- 3:53but
- 3:53there's
- 3:53a
- 3:53fancy
- 3:54human
- 3:54bias.
- 3:54It
- 3:55has
- 3:55its
- 3:55own
- 3:55term
- 3:56that
- 3:56we
- 3:56feel
- 3:56like
- 3:56adding
- 3:57is
- 3:58always
- 3:58the
- 3:58solution
- 3:59to
- 3:59our
- 3:59problems.
- 4:00And
- 4:00so
- 4:00often
- 4:00in
- 4:00psychiatry,
- 4:01it's
- 4:01actually
- 4:02subtraction
- 4:03that
- 4:03solves
- 4:04your
- 4:04problems,
- 4:04right?
- 4:04You
- 4:05have
- 4:05a
- 4:05patient
- 4:06who's
- 4:06like
- 4:06sedated
- 4:07and
- 4:07has
- 4:07brain
- 4:08fog
- 4:08and
- 4:09can't
- 4:09think
- 4:09very
- 4:09clearly.
- 4:10And
- 4:10here
- 4:10you,
- 4:11here
- 4:11you
- 4:11go.
- 4:11They
- 4:11have
- 4:11this
- 4:12huge
- 4:12anticholinergic
- 4:13burden.
- 4:14There's
- 4:14even
- 4:14calculators
- 4:15online
- 4:15for
- 4:15you
- 4:16to
- 4:16look
- 4:16at
- 4:16anticholinergic
- 4:17burdens.
- 4:17And
- 4:18you
- 4:18added
- 4:18like
- 4:19methylphenidate
- 4:20when
- 4:20you
- 4:20could
- 4:20have
- 4:20just
- 4:20subtracted
- 4:21medications
- 4:22that
- 4:22maybe
- 4:22don't
- 4:22even
- 4:23play
- 4:23a
- 4:23role
- 4:24in
- 4:24their
- 4:24recovery
- 4:25anymore.
- 4:25Maybe
- 4:25they
- 4:25never
- 4:26played
- 4:26a
- 4:26role.
- 4:26Maybe
- 4:26if
- 4:27you
- 4:27asked
- 4:27your
- 4:27patient,
- 4:28they
- 4:28would
- 4:28tell
- 4:28you
- 4:28they
- 4:29don't
- 4:29play
- 4:29a
- 4:29role.
- 4:30And
- 4:30so
- 4:30subtraction
- 4:32is
- 4:32oftentimes
- 4:33the
- 4:33solution,
- 4:34my
- 4:34friends,
- 4:34not
- 4:35addition.
- 4:36Keep
- 4:36that
- 4:36in
- 4:36mind.
- 4:37Abilify
- 4:38is
- 4:38the
- 4:38problem
- 4:38here.
- 4:38And
- 4:38we'll
- 4:39go
- 4:39into
- 4:39that
- 4:39in
- 4:39a
- 4:39moment.
- 4:40But
- 4:40certainly
- 4:41addition
- 4:41here
- 4:41via
- 4:42Depakote
- 4:42is
- 4:43not
- 4:43a
- 4:43great
- 4:43idea.
- 4:44Okay?
- 4:45Now,
- 4:45she's
- 4:45a
- 4:4542
- 4:46year
- 4:46old
- 4:46woman,
- 4:47may
- 4:47or
- 4:47may
- 4:47not
- 4:47be
- 4:47childbearing,
- 4:48but
- 4:49Depakote
- 4:49is
- 4:49an
- 4:50even
- 4:50worse
- 4:51idea
- 4:51if
- 4:51we're
- 4:52putting
- 4:52it
- 4:52through
- 4:52that
- 4:52kind
- 4:52of
- 4:53a
- 4:53filter.
- 4:53It's
- 4:54kind
- 4:54of
- 4:54more
- 4:55of
- 4:55a
- 4:55heavy
- 4:55duty
- 4:55medication.
- 4:56I've
- 4:56seen
- 4:56hair
- 4:57loss,
- 4:57I've
- 4:57seen
- 4:57weight
- 4:58gain.
- 4:58I've
- 4:58seen
- 4:58a
- 4:59lot
- 4:59of
- 4:59issues
- 4:59with
- 4:59Depakote.
- 5:00It's
- 5:00also
- 5:00life
- 5:00saving.
- 5:01It
- 5:01can
- 5:01be
- 5:01great
- 5:01in
- 5:02rapid
- 5:02cycling.
- 5:03I'm
- 5:03just
- 5:03not
- 5:03a
- 5:03fan
- 5:04of
- 5:04adding
- 5:04a
- 5:04heavy
- 5:04duty
- 5:05medication
- 5:05when
- 5:05she
- 5:06already
- 5:06is
- 5:06on
- 5:06lithium
- 5:07and
- 5:07she's
- 5:07telling
- 5:07you,
- 5:08hey,
- 5:09I'm
- 5:09not
- 5:09hypomanic.
- 5:10Right?
- 5:10Everything
- 5:11else
- 5:11looks
- 5:11good.
- 5:11Her
- 5:11mental
- 5:12status
- 5:12exam.
- 5:12She
- 5:12doesn't
- 5:13have
- 5:13pressure
- 5:13speech
- 5:13or
- 5:14Lithium's
- 5:14in
- 5:14a
- 5:15therapeutic
- 5:15level.
- 5:15Like,
- 5:16why
- 5:16would
- 5:16we
- 5:17add
- 5:17a
- 5:17mood
- 5:17stabilizer
- 5:18like
- 5:18a.
- 5:19Like
- 5:19a
- 5:19rocket
- 5:20launcher
- 5:20here
- 5:21for
- 5:21some
- 5:22residual
- 5:22impulse
- 5:22control,
- 5:23especially
- 5:23if
- 5:24there
- 5:24was
- 5:25a
- 5:25problem
- 5:25that
- 5:25we
- 5:26could
- 5:26fix
- 5:26with
- 5:26subtraction.
- 5:27So,
- 5:27no,
- 5:28we're
- 5:28not
- 5:28going
- 5:28to
- 5:28choose
- 5:28B.
- 5:29We're
- 5:29not
- 5:29going
- 5:29to
- 5:29add
- 5:30Depakote
- 5:30for
- 5:31impulse
- 5:32control.
- 5:32Okay?
- 5:33Not
- 5:33now.
- 5:34If
- 5:34this,
- 5:34if
- 5:34our
- 5:35impulsivity
- 5:35was
- 5:36because
- 5:36of
- 5:36bipolarity,
- 5:37then
- 5:38I
- 5:38think
- 5:38we
- 5:38should
- 5:38consider
- 5:39that
- 5:39potentially
- 5:40optimize.
- 5:40Or
- 5:40lithium.
- 5:41Maybe
- 5:41that
- 5:41might
- 5:41be
- 5:41the
- 5:42better
- 5:42idea
- 5:42first.
- 5:43But
- 5:43no,
- 5:44it's
- 5:44not
- 5:44a
- 5:44good
- 5:44answer.
- 5:45Now,
- 5:45should
- 5:45we
- 5:45do
- 5:46option
- 5:46D
- 5:46and
- 5:46obtain
- 5:47a
- 5:47urine
- 5:47drug
- 5:48sample,
- 5:48check
- 5:48the
- 5:48lithium
- 5:49level?
- 5:50Well,
- 5:50this
- 5:50answer
- 5:51is
- 5:52pretty
- 5:52obviously
- 5:53wrong
- 5:53because
- 5:53we
- 5:53already
- 5:53have
- 5:54a
- 5:54lithium
- 5:54level,
- 5:54so
- 5:55why
- 5:55do
- 5:55we
- 5:55need
- 5:55to
- 5:55check
- 5:55it
- 5:55again?
- 5:56And
- 5:56it's
- 5:56therapeutic
- 5:57at
- 5:570.8,
- 5:58she
- 5:58has
- 5:58no
- 5:59manic
- 5:59symptoms.
- 6:00So
- 6:00again,
- 6:00I
- 6:00don't
- 6:01know
- 6:01how
- 6:01checking
- 6:01the
- 6:02lithium
- 6:02level
- 6:02would
- 6:02be
- 6:02very
- 6:03constructive
- 6:03here.
- 6:05I
- 6:05think
- 6:06depending
- 6:06on
- 6:06where
- 6:06you
- 6:07are
- 6:07in
- 6:07your
- 6:07academic
- 6:07journey,
- 6:08it
- 6:08might
- 6:09be
- 6:09perfectly
- 6:10reasonable
- 6:10that
- 6:10you
- 6:10chose
- 6:11this
- 6:11answer.
- 6:11But
- 6:12we
- 6:12have
- 6:12the
- 6:12lithium
- 6:13level,
- 6:13and
- 6:14I
- 6:15just
- 6:15don't
- 6:15think
- 6:15we
- 6:16need
- 6:16to
- 6:16get
- 6:16another
- 6:16lithium
- 6:17level.
- 6:17That's
- 6:18just
- 6:18ridiculous.
- 6:19She
- 6:20has
- 6:20no
- 6:20manic
- 6:20symptoms.
- 6:21Her
- 6:21sleep
- 6:21is
- 6:21normal.
- 7:16That's
- 7:16the
- 7:16best
- 7:17way.
- 7:17I
- 7:17usually
- 7:17parse
- 7:18out.
- 7:18If
- 7:18somebody's
- 7:18having
- 7:18like
- 7:19a
- 7:19resurgence
- 7:19of
- 7:19mania,
- 7:20I
- 7:20have
- 7:20to
- 7:21know
- 7:21their
- 7:21sleep.
- 7:22And
- 7:22the
- 7:22mental
- 7:22status
- 7:23exam
- 7:23is
- 7:23key
- 7:23too,
- 7:24right?
- 7:24I
- 7:24can
- 7:24tell
- 7:25when
- 7:25someone
- 7:25walks
- 7:25in
- 7:26my
- 7:26office
- 7:26and
- 7:26I
- 7:26can't
- 7:26get
- 7:27a
- 7:27word
- 7:27in
- 7:27and
- 7:28they're
- 7:28just
- 7:28going
- 7:28off.
- 7:29It
- 7:29feels
- 7:29like
- 7:29you'll
- 7:30never
- 7:30get
- 7:30to
- 7:30talk
- 7:31to
- 7:31them
- 7:31unless
- 7:31you
- 7:31interrupt
- 7:32them,
- 7:32which
- 7:32is
- 7:32very
- 7:33uncomfortable
- 7:34as
- 7:34a
- 7:34clinician
- 7:34to
- 7:35interrupt
- 7:35your
- 7:36patient.
- 7:36It's
- 7:36uncomfortable
- 7:37to
- 7:37interrupt
- 7:37anybody.
- 7:38But,
- 7:38you
- 7:39know,
- 7:39mental
- 7:39status
- 7:39exam
- 7:40is
- 7:40a
- 7:40very
- 7:40good
- 7:40clue
- 7:41that
- 7:41something's
- 7:41off.
- 7:41The
- 7:42words
- 7:42are
- 7:42coming
- 7:42a
- 7:43lot
- 7:43faster.
- 7:43Kind
- 7:43of
- 7:44like
- 7:44how
- 7:44I'm
- 7:44talking
- 7:44right
- 7:44now.
- 7:45Normally,
- 7:45I've
- 7:46never
- 7:46gotten
- 7:46this
- 7:46looked
- 7:47at,
- 7:47but
- 7:47she
- 7:48has
- 7:48no
- 7:48manic
- 7:48symptoms
- 7:49here
- 7:49and
- 7:49her
- 7:49sleep
- 7:49is
- 7:49good.
- 7:50If
- 7:50your
- 7:50patient's
- 7:50telling
- 7:50you
- 7:51she's
- 7:51edgy,
- 7:51she's
- 7:51pacing,
- 7:52her
- 7:52husband's
- 7:52saying
- 7:53she's
- 7:53gambling
- 7:53into
- 7:54the
- 7:54wee
- 7:54hours
- 7:54of
- 7:54the
- 7:54night
- 7:55and
- 7:55she
- 7:55wants
- 7:55to
- 7:55start
- 7:56her
- 7:56own
- 7:56poker
- 7:57league,
- 7:57then
- 7:57absolutely
- 7:58I
- 7:58would
- 7:58be
- 7:58Worried
- 7:59that
- 7:59even
- 7:59if
- 8:00this
- 8:00lithium
- 8:00level's
- 8:01therapeutic,
- 8:01maybe
- 8:01it
- 8:01could
- 8:02be
- 8:02bumped
- 8:02up.
- 8:02I
- 8:02would
- 8:02think
- 8:03all
- 8:03of
- 8:03those
- 8:03things,
- 8:03but
- 8:04we're
- 8:04just
- 8:04not
- 8:04seeing
- 8:05the
- 8:05broad
- 8:05constellation
- 8:06of
- 8:06manic
- 8:06symptoms
- 8:07here.
- 8:07We're
- 8:07seeing
- 8:08impulsivity
- 8:09that
- 8:09seems
- 8:09to
- 8:09be
- 8:09circumscribed
- 8:10for
- 8:10whatever
- 8:11reason
- 8:11and
- 8:11not
- 8:12part
- 8:12of
- 8:12a
- 8:12broader
- 8:13decompensation
- 8:14of
- 8:14mania.
- 8:14So
- 8:15I'm
- 8:15not
- 8:15thinking
- 8:16that.
- 8:16Right.
- 8:16I'm
- 8:16thinking
- 8:17something
- 8:17else
- 8:17is
- 8:17the
- 8:18problem
- 8:18here.
- 8:18So
- 8:18a
- 8:19uds,
- 8:19sure,
- 8:20there
- 8:20are
- 8:20probably
- 8:20drugs
- 8:21out
- 8:21there
- 8:21that
- 8:22make
- 8:22you
- 8:22want
- 8:22to
- 8:22gamble
- 8:23compulsively.
- 8:23Is
- 8:24getting
- 8:24a
- 8:24UDS
- 8:25the
- 8:25dumbest
- 8:25idea
- 8:25in
- 8:25the
- 8:26world?
- 8:26No,
- 8:26but
- 8:27it
- 8:27might
- 8:27be
- 8:27the
- 8:27second
- 8:27dumbest
- 8:28idea
- 8:28in
- 8:28the
- 8:28world.
- 8:29I
- 8:29don't
- 8:29know.
- 8:29It's
- 8:30just
- 8:30not
- 8:30really
- 8:31a
- 8:31smart
- 8:31idea
- 8:32because
- 8:32there's
- 8:33an
- 8:33elephant
- 8:33in
- 8:33this
- 8:33room
- 8:34and
- 8:34we
- 8:34know
- 8:34the
- 8:34elephant
- 8:35is
- 8:35there
- 8:35and
- 8:35we
- 8:36know
- 8:36why
- 8:36he's
- 8:36there.
- 8:37And
- 8:37we're
- 8:37gonna
- 8:37get
- 8:37to
- 8:37that
- 8:37in
- 8:38a
- 8:38minute.
- 8:38Now,
- 8:38do
- 8:39we
- 8:39choose
- 8:39option
- 8:39E,
- 8:40refer
- 8:40to
- 8:40CBT
- 8:41with.
- 8:41While
- 8:41continuing
- 8:42the
- 8:42current
- 8:42regimen.
- 8:43I
- 8:44think
- 8:44this
- 8:44is
- 8:44one
- 8:44of
- 8:44the
- 8:44worst
- 8:45answers
- 8:45on
- 8:45here.
- 8:46Although
- 8:46CBT
- 8:47for
- 8:47gambling
- 8:48disorder
- 8:48is
- 8:48evidence
- 8:49based,
- 8:50continuing
- 8:50Abilify
- 8:52while
- 8:52referring
- 8:53for
- 8:53therapy
- 8:53here
- 8:53is
- 8:54kind
- 8:54of
- 8:54like
- 8:54referring
- 8:55someone
- 8:55for
- 8:55burn
- 8:56treatment.
- 8:56When
- 8:57you
- 8:57leave
- 8:57their
- 8:57hand
- 8:57on
- 8:58the
- 8:58stove,
- 8:58it
- 8:58just
- 8:58doesn't
- 8:59really
- 8:59make
- 8:59sense.
- 9:00Like
- 9:00take
- 9:00their
- 9:00hand
- 9:01off
- 9:01the
- 9:01stove.
- 9:01Right.
- 9:02In
- 9:02this
- 9:03case,
- 9:03it
- 9:03would
- 9:03be
- 9:03the
- 9:03Abilify.
- 9:04And
- 9:04so,
- 9:05no,
- 9:05I
- 9:05think
- 9:05cbt,
- 9:06you're
- 9:06now,
- 9:06you're
- 9:06giving
- 9:06them
- 9:07this
- 9:07class
- 9:07they
- 9:08have
- 9:08to
- 9:08attend
- 9:09for
- 9:09four
- 9:09days
- 9:10a
- 9:10week.
- 9:10And
- 9:11it
- 9:11just,
- 9:12it's
- 9:12like,
- 9:12what's
- 9:12the
- 9:13point?
- 9:13You
- 9:13could
- 9:13have
- 9:13solved
- 9:13this
- 9:14a
- 9:14lot
- 9:14less
- 9:14intrusively
- 9:15and
- 9:16expensively.
- 9:17So
- 9:17we
- 9:18can,
- 9:18we
- 9:18can
- 9:19make
- 9:19this
- 9:19work.
- 9:19So
- 9:20that
- 9:20leaves
- 9:20us
- 9:20with
- 9:21increasing
- 9:21the
- 9:21Abilify.
- 9:22Do
- 9:22we
- 9:22want
- 9:22to
- 9:22increase
- 9:23the
- 9:23Abilify?
- 9:24Well,
- 9:25that
- 9:25would
- 9:25be
- 9:25like
- 9:26taking
- 9:26her
- 9:26hand
- 9:26off
- 9:27of
- 9:27the
- 9:27stove
- 9:27and
- 9:27just
- 9:28putting
- 9:29it
- 9:29into
- 9:29a
- 9:29fireplace.
- 9:30I
- 9:30don't
- 9:30think
- 9:31that
- 9:31makes
- 9:31any
- 9:31sense.
- 9:32Right.
- 9:32This
- 9:33is
- 9:33a
- 9:33trap
- 9:33answer.
- 9:33And
- 9:34I
- 9:34think
- 9:34this
- 9:34answer
- 9:34is
- 9:35the
- 9:35most
- 9:35reasonable
- 9:35wrong
- 9:36answer,
- 9:36at
- 9:37least
- 9:37on
- 9:37the
- 9:37surface.
- 9:37If
- 9:38you're
- 9:38not.
- 9:38If
- 9:38you
- 9:38don't
- 9:38know
- 9:39any
- 9:39better.
- 9:39Right.
- 9:40Increasing
- 9:40the
- 9:40Abilify,
- 9:41you
- 9:41might
- 9:41say,
- 9:41well,
- 9:41well,
- 9:42wait
- 9:42a
- 9:42minute.
- 9:42This
- 9:42is
- 9:42breakthrough
- 9:43impulsivity.
- 9:44Let's
- 9:44just
- 9:44increase
- 9:45her
- 9:45mood
- 9:45stabilizer
- 9:46and
- 9:46she
- 9:46might
- 9:46become
- 9:46less
- 9:47impulsive.
- 9:48That
- 9:49would
- 9:49make
- 9:50sense.
- 9:50If
- 9:50this
- 9:51was
- 9:51more
- 9:51of
- 9:51a
- 9:51manic
- 9:52problem
- 9:52where
- 9:53she's
- 9:53not
- 9:53sleeping
- 9:53as
- 9:53much,
- 9:54she's
- 9:54more
- 9:54agitated,
- 9:55and.
- 9:55And
- 9:55she's
- 9:55just
- 9:56more
- 9:56broadly
- 9:56impulsive
- 9:57as
- 9:57a
- 9:57result
- 9:58of
- 9:58her
- 9:58mania
- 9:59or
- 9:59hypomania,
- 9:59then
- 10:00yes,
- 10:00in
- 10:01theory,
- 10:02maybe
- 10:02more
- 10:03of
- 10:03a
- 10:03D2
- 10:03blockade.
- 10:04You
- 10:05could
- 10:05make
- 10:05a
- 10:05case
- 10:06is
- 10:06smart.
- 10:07Remember
- 10:07though,
- 10:08Abilify
- 10:08is
- 10:08a
- 10:09partial
- 10:09agonist,
- 10:10so
- 10:10it
- 10:10will
- 10:10lower
- 10:11de.
- 10:11It
- 10:11will
- 10:12increase
- 10:12dopamine
- 10:13in
- 10:13select
- 10:13areas.
- 10:14It
- 10:14will
- 10:14also
- 10:14decrease
- 10:15dopamine
- 10:16where
- 10:16it's
- 10:16excessive
- 10:17in
- 10:17other
- 10:17areas.
- 10:17So
- 10:18you're
- 10:18not
- 10:18entirely
- 10:19wrong
- 10:19if
- 10:20this
- 10:20was
- 10:21part
- 10:21of
- 10:21a
- 10:21broader
- 10:22hypomanic
- 10:23construct,
- 10:24but
- 10:24it
- 10:25doesn't
- 10:25look
- 10:25like
- 10:25it
- 10:25is.
- 10:26And
- 10:26in
- 10:26this
- 10:26case,
- 10:26you
- 10:26would
- 10:27probably
- 10:27worsen
- 10:28this
- 10:28issue,
- 10:28this
- 10:28gambling
- 10:29issue,
- 10:29if
- 10:29you
- 10:30increased
- 10:30her
- 10:30to
- 10:3020.
- 10:31Because
- 10:31gambling
- 10:31is
- 10:31often
- 10:32dose
- 10:32related
- 10:33and
- 10:33caused
- 10:33by
- 10:34Abilify
- 10:34itself.
- 10:35The
- 10:35FDA
- 10:35label
- 10:36explicitly
- 10:36states
- 10:37these
- 10:37urges
- 10:37are
- 10:38reported
- 10:38to
- 10:38have
- 10:39stopped
- 10:39when
- 10:39the
- 10:39dose
- 10:39was
- 10:40reduced
- 10:40or
- 10:40the
- 10:40medication
- 10:41was
- 10:41stopped.
- 10:42So
- 10:43now
- 10:44you
- 10:44could
- 10:44eliminate
- 10:45the
- 10:45Abilify
- 10:46altogether.
- 10:46You
- 10:47could
- 10:47do
- 10:47a
- 10:47dose
- 10:47reduction,
- 10:48which
- 10:48personally
- 10:48for
- 10:48me
- 10:49is
- 10:49a
- 10:50little
- 10:50bit
- 10:50more
- 10:50preferable.
- 10:51I
- 10:51wouldn't
- 10:51want
- 10:51to
- 10:51just
- 10:51willy
- 10:52nilly
- 10:52to
- 10:52yank
- 10:52somebody
- 10:53off
- 10:53of
- 10:53Abilify
- 10:53completely,
- 10:54especially
- 10:55if
- 10:55it
- 10:55served
- 10:55a
- 10:55purpose
- 10:56for
- 10:56Henrietta.
- 10:57I
- 10:57would
- 10:57kind
- 10:57of
- 10:57ask
- 10:58her,
- 10:58what
- 10:58role
- 10:58has
- 10:58Abilify
- 10:59played
- 10:59in
- 11:00your
- 11:00recovery
- 11:01up
- 11:01until
- 11:01this
- 11:01point?
- 11:02And
- 11:02she
- 11:03might
- 11:03say,
- 11:03you
- 11:03know,
- 11:03before
- 11:03I
- 11:04was
- 11:04just
- 11:05so
- 11:05edgy.
- 11:05It's
- 11:05really
- 11:06helped
- 11:06me
- 11:06calm
- 11:06down,
- 11:07it's
- 11:07really
- 11:07helped
- 11:08with
- 11:08my
- 11:08depression,
- 11:08et
- 11:08cetera,
- 11:09et
- 11:09cetera.
- 11:09She
- 11:09might
- 11:09have
- 11:10many
- 11:10different
- 11:10answers
- 11:10for
- 11:10you.
- 11:11But
- 11:11if
- 11:11it
- 11:11has
- 11:12been
- 11:12beneficial
- 11:12and
- 11:13it's
- 11:13conclusively
- 11:14beneficial
- 11:14and
- 11:14her
- 11:15husband
- 11:15corroborates
- 11:16that,
- 11:16I
- 11:16would
- 11:16be
- 11:17wary
- 11:17to
- 11:17just
- 11:18yank
- 11:18this
- 11:18away
- 11:18from
- 11:19her
- 11:19regimen
- 11:19completely.
- 11:20But
- 11:20without
- 11:20a
- 11:21doubt,
- 11:21we
- 11:21need
- 11:21a
- 11:21dose
- 11:22reduction
- 11:22here
- 11:22because
- 11:23this
- 11:23is
- 11:23iatrogenic.
- 11:24This
- 11:24is
- 11:24something
- 11:25that
- 11:25is
- 11:25caused
- 11:26by
- 11:26the
- 11:27Abilify
- 11:27increase
- 11:28via
- 11:28the
- 11:29D2
- 11:29and
- 11:29D3
- 11:30partial
- 11:30agonism,
- 11:31which
- 11:31is
- 11:32a
- 11:32unique
- 11:33risk
- 11:33from
- 11:33Abilify
- 11:34and
- 11:34Vraylar,
- 11:35also
- 11:35known
- 11:35as
- 11:35Cariprazine.
- 11:36These
- 11:36are
- 11:37atypical
- 11:37antipsychotics
- 11:38that
- 11:38have
- 11:39an
- 11:39affinity
- 11:39for
- 11:39partial
- 11:40agonism,
- 11:40for
- 11:40D2,
- 11:41D3D.
- 11:41It
- 11:42manipulates
- 11:42the
- 11:43reward
- 11:43pathways
- 11:44in
- 11:44our
- 11:44brain
- 11:45with
- 11:45that
- 11:46can
- 11:46lead
- 11:46to
- 11:46compulsive
- 11:47gambling.
- 11:48And.
- 11:48And
- 11:48so
- 11:49watch
- 11:49out
- 11:49for
- 11:49that,
- 11:50right?
- 11:50It
- 11:50can
- 11:50lower
- 11:50the
- 11:51threshold
- 11:51by
- 11:51which
- 11:51we
- 11:52want
- 11:52to
- 11:52compulsively
- 11:52gamble
- 11:53or
- 11:53shop
- 11:54or
- 11:55do
- 11:55other
- 11:55impulse.
- 11:56So
- 11:56it's
- 11:56not
- 11:56just
- 11:56gambling,
- 11:57right?
- 11:57It
- 11:57could
- 11:57be
- 11:58actually
- 11:59many
- 11:59different
- 12:00things
- 12:00at
- 12:01once.
- 12:01So
- 12:01look
- 12:01for
- 12:02kind
- 12:02of
- 12:02all
- 12:02sorts
- 12:03of
- 12:03compulsive
- 12:04reward
- 12:04seeking
- 12:05behavior
- 12:05in
- 12:05vulnerable
- 12:06individuals.
- 12:06It's
- 12:06not
- 12:06everybody,
- 12:07but
- 12:07it's
- 12:08definitely
- 12:08something
- 12:08we
- 12:09need
- 12:09to
- 12:09think
- 12:09about.
- 12:10So
- 12:10the
- 12:10answer
- 12:11then,
- 12:11my
- 12:11friends,
- 12:12is
- 12:13C
- 12:13discontinue.
- 12:14And
- 12:14I
- 12:14would
- 12:15add
- 12:15a
- 12:15specifier
- 12:15to
- 12:16that
- 12:16or
- 12:16reduce
- 12:16the
- 12:17Abilify
- 12:17dose
- 12:17and
- 12:18then
- 12:18reassess.
- 12:18And
- 12:18I
- 12:18bet
- 12:19you
- 12:19money
- 12:19that
- 12:20Henrietta
- 12:20is
- 12:20going
- 12:20to
- 12:20be
- 12:21gambling
- 12:21less,
- 12:21if
- 12:22at
- 12:22all.
- 12:22If
- 12:22you
- 12:22get
- 12:22her
- 12:23back
- 12:23down
- 12:23to
- 12:24a
- 12:24lower
- 12:24dose,
- 12:24she's
- 12:25at
- 12:2515
- 12:25now,
- 12:25so
- 12:26maybe
- 12:2610
- 12:26and
- 12:27then
- 12:275.
- 12:27Or
- 12:28maybe
- 12:28you
- 12:28have
- 12:28to
- 12:28discontinue
- 12:29it
- 12:29altogether,
- 12:30depending
- 12:30on
- 12:30the
- 12:30timing.
- 12:31But
- 12:31the
- 12:31big
- 12:31takeaways
- 12:32here,
- 12:32of
- 12:32course,
- 12:32are
- 12:33to
- 12:33look
- 12:33at
- 12:33the
- 12:33big
- 12:33picture.
- 12:35Is
- 12:35this
- 12:35mania
- 12:35or
- 12:36hypomania
- 12:36getting
- 12:36worse
- 12:37or
- 12:37is
- 12:38this
- 12:38circumscribed
- 12:39to
- 12:39gambling?
- 12:40Is
- 12:40there
- 12:40a
- 12:40temporal
- 12:41relationship
- 12:41or
- 12:42association
- 12:42between
- 12:43when
- 12:43she
- 12:43gambles
- 12:44and
- 12:44any
- 12:44increases
- 12:45or
- 12:45onboarding
- 12:46of
- 12:46the
- 12:46Abilify?
- 12:47Those
- 12:47are
- 12:47all
- 12:47really
- 12:48important
- 12:48questions
- 12:49to
- 12:49ask.
- 12:49You
- 12:50have
- 12:50a
- 12:50lot
- 12:50of
- 12:50reassurance
- 12:51here
- 12:51in
- 12:51that
- 12:51her
- 12:51mental
- 12:51status
- 12:52exam
- 12:52looks
- 12:52good.
- 12:53You
- 12:53have
- 12:53reassurance
- 12:54that
- 12:54her
- 12:54lithium
- 12:54level
- 12:55is
- 12:55nice
- 12:55and
- 12:56therapeutic.
- 12:57You
- 12:57have
- 12:57a
- 12:57corroborator
- 12:58with
- 12:58you.
- 12:58You
- 12:59have
- 12:59collateral
- 12:59with
- 12:59you,
- 13:00with
- 13:00her,
- 13:00with
- 13:00her
- 13:00husband,
- 13:01who's
- 13:01basically
- 13:02can
- 13:02confirm
- 13:02the
- 13:03fact
- 13:03that,
- 13:03you
- 13:03know,
- 13:03she's
- 13:04not.
- 13:04She
- 13:04doesn't
- 13:04have
- 13:04pressured
- 13:05speech.
- 13:06There's
- 13:06not
- 13:06a
- 13:06whole
- 13:06lot
- 13:07else
- 13:07going
- 13:07on.
- 13:07It's
- 13:08just
- 13:08this.
- 13:09And
- 13:09so
- 13:09I
- 13:10think
- 13:10the
- 13:10answer
- 13:11here
- 13:11is
- 13:11pretty
- 13:11cut
- 13:12and
- 13:12dry.
- 13:12Remember,
- 13:13it's
- 13:13not
- 13:13always
- 13:13going
- 13:13to
- 13:14be
- 13:14big
- 13:14and
- 13:14flashy
- 13:15like
- 13:15gambling.
- 13:15There
- 13:16might
- 13:16be
- 13:16increased
- 13:16sexual
- 13:17urges,
- 13:17which
- 13:17make
- 13:18it
- 13:18even
- 13:18harder
- 13:18to
- 13:19figure
- 13:19out
- 13:19if
- 13:19this
- 13:20is
- 13:20the
- 13:20bipolarity
- 13:21versus
- 13:21the
- 13:22D3
- 13:22partial
- 13:23agonism
- 13:23of
- 13:23abilifier
- 13:24Vailar.
- 13:25It
- 13:25could
- 13:25come
- 13:25out
- 13:26as
- 13:26binge
- 13:26eating
- 13:27that
- 13:27we,
- 13:27you
- 13:27know,
- 13:28so
- 13:28just
- 13:28keep
- 13:28that
- 13:29in
- 13:29mind.
- 13:29Right?
- 13:29This
- 13:29is
- 13:30more,
- 13:30it's
- 13:30more
- 13:30about
- 13:31impulsivity
- 13:32and
- 13:32gambling
- 13:32is
- 13:33a
- 13:33frequent
- 13:33one
- 13:33in
- 13:34the
- 13:34literature.
- 13:34But
- 13:34be
- 13:34open
- 13:35minded
- 13:35to
- 13:35all
- 13:35of
- 13:35that.
- 13:36All
- 13:36right,
- 13:36my
- 13:36friends,
- 13:37now
- 13:37if
- 13:38you
- 13:39wanted
- 13:40a
- 13:40beautiful
- 13:41full
- 13:42clinical
- 13:42library
- 13:43of
- 13:43all
- 13:44of
- 13:44these
- 13:44great
- 13:45board
- 13:45bombs
- 13:46and
- 13:46really
- 13:47sticky
- 13:47ways
- 13:47to
- 13:47remember
- 13:48psychopharmacology,
- 13:49the
- 13:49one
- 13:50thing
- 13:50you
- 13:50should
- 13:50not
- 13:50forget
- 13:50tonight
- 13:51before
- 13:51you
- 13:51go
- 13:51to
- 13:51bed,
- 13:52go
- 13:52to
- 13:52our
- 13:52show
- 13:52notes
- 13:53and
- 13:53become
- 13:53a
- 13:54Patreon
- 13:54member.
- 13:55My
- 13:55friends,
- 13:57the
- 13:57difference
- 13:58between
- 13:58a
- 13:58good,
- 13:58clean
- 13:59clinician
- 13:59and
- 13:59a
- 13:59great
- 14:00clinician,
- 14:00the
- 14:01difference
- 14:01between
- 14:02a
- 14:02clinician
- 14:03that
- 14:03just
- 14:03follows
- 14:03the
- 14:04algorithms
- 14:05and
- 14:05one
- 14:06that
- 14:06doesn't
- 14:06is
- 14:07the
- 14:07clinicians
- 14:08that
- 14:08know
- 14:08the
- 14:09how
- 14:09and
- 14:09the
- 14:09why
- 14:09of
- 14:10what
- 14:10they
- 14:10are
- 14:11doing.
- 14:11My
- 14:11friends
- 14:12and
- 14:12I
- 14:12built
- 14:13this
- 14:13library
- 14:13so
- 14:13you
- 14:14would
- 14:14know
- 14:14the
- 14:14how
- 14:14and
- 14:14the
- 14:15why
- 14:15of
- 14:15what
- 14:15you're
- 14:15doing.
- 14:16Patients
- 14:16can
- 14:16smell
- 14:17it
- 14:17a
- 14:17mile
- 14:17away.
- 14:18They
- 14:18trust
- 14:18you
- 14:18more,
- 14:19your
- 14:19outcomes
- 14:19are
- 14:19smoother
- 14:20and
- 14:20better
- 14:20and
- 14:21life
- 14:21is
- 14:22just
- 14:22easier.
- 14:22I
- 14:23genuinely
- 14:24terrified
- 14:24to
- 14:24know
- 14:25where
- 14:25I
- 14:25would
- 14:25be
- 14:25without
- 14:26this
- 14:26clinical
- 14:26library.
- 14:27I
- 14:28just
- 14:28can't
- 14:29even
- 14:29imagine
- 14:30how
- 14:31many
- 14:31tools
- 14:31I
- 14:31would
- 14:32not
- 14:32have
- 14:32and
- 14:32the
- 14:32knowledge
- 14:33I
- 14:33would
- 14:33not
- 14:33have
- 14:34without
- 14:34this
- 14:34library.
- 14:35So
- 14:35if
- 14:35there's
- 14:35one
- 14:36thing
- 14:36you
- 14:36don't
- 14:36forget,
- 14:36head
- 14:37over
- 14:37to
- 14:37the
- 14:37show
- 14:37notes,
- 14:37become
- 14:38a
- 14:38Patreon
- 14:38member,
- 14:39join
- 14:39us.
- 14:40Spread
- 14:40the
- 14:40word.
- 14:41It's
- 14:41fun,
- 14:41it's
- 14:41sticky.
- 14:42People
- 14:42love
- 14:42it,
- 14:43and
- 14:43we'd
- 14:43love
- 14:43to
- 14:44have
- 14:44you
- 14:44as
- 14:44a
- 14:44member.
- 14:44Without
- 14:45further
- 14:46ado,
- 14:46thank
- 14:46you
- 14:46all
- 14:47very
- 14:47much
- 14:47for
- 14:47tuning
- 14:47in.
- 14:47Until
- 14:48next
- 14:48time,
- 14:48here
- 14:48on
- 14:49Pearls
- 14:49and
- 14:49Prep,
- 14:50thank
- 14:50you.