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What's Next after Kirk's Tragedy, Christians Persecuted in Nigeria & Tucker plus Osama Bin Laden Equals Week In Review · The Ben Ferguson Podcast

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Speaker 1: Welcome.
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Speaker 2: It is Verdict with Ted Cruz week in Review, Ben
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Speaker 2: Ferguson with you, and we had some really tough stories
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Speaker 2: that you may have missed that we talked about this week.
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Speaker 2: First up, we're going to take some time and talk
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Speaker 2: about Charlie Kirk, our dear friend, and the assassination and
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Speaker 2: what comes next.
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Speaker 1: We're going to deal with that first.
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Speaker 2: We're also going to talk about the persecution of Christians
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Speaker 2: in Nigeria and Senator Cruz is leading the way on
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Speaker 2: trying to stop what's happening on that and finally, some
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Speaker 2: shocking comments coming from Tucker Carlson on Osama bin Laden
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Speaker 2: and his family. It's the weekend Review and it starts
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Speaker 2: right now center. I also want to talk about there
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Speaker 2: is a question. I'm sure you've gotten it. I've gotten
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Speaker 2: it too, and that is what's next. This is a
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Speaker 2: moment where my nine year old asked me that I
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Speaker 2: think the toughest question I've ever been asked by him.
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Speaker 2: When I put into bed last night, he knew that
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Speaker 2: daddy's friend had died, and he said, Daddy, is someone
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Speaker 2: going to shoot you for what you do? And I
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Speaker 2: gave him the best answer I could. I said buddy.
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Speaker 2: You know, daddy carries a gun. You know, Daddy shoots back,
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Speaker 2: and he just started crying. And I think there are
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Speaker 2: so many people right now that are worried about where
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Speaker 2: we are in this divide and this feeling that the
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Speaker 2: left is just wanting to take out anybody that is
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Speaker 2: successful in articulating conservative or Christian views. I do worry
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Speaker 2: about where we are as a country. I also think
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Speaker 2: that you and I and so many others that do this,
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Speaker 2: everybody that I've been texting and talking with, I don't
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Speaker 2: think any of us are going to back down. We
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Speaker 2: maybe do things a little differently, we may take different precautions,
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Speaker 2: but I don't think they're going to silence any of us.
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Speaker 2: I'm not backing down. This is my mission field. I
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Speaker 2: think you feel the same way I do.
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Speaker 3: Absolutely, and and listen. I think Charlie inspired many people
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Speaker 3: to speak up and to be brave, to be courageous.
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Speaker 3: I think more people will be inspired. I will say
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Speaker 3: his assassination, it wasn't just a murder, it was an assassination.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: He was taken out because of who he is and
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Speaker 3: because of what he was saying. And he was taken
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Speaker 3: out because of fear that what he was saying was
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Speaker 3: so persuasive that people wanted to hear it. Look, when
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Speaker 3: he went to a college campus, he welcome leftists to
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Speaker 3: come argue with him, to present their side of the story.
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Speaker 3: But but but the power of the truth he was
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Speaker 3: saying was what was dangerous. And and and look, I
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Speaker 3: I gotta say, I feel a little bit you and
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Speaker 3: I were not not alive when when JFK was shot
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Speaker 3: or or Bobby Kennedy was shot, or Martin Luther King
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Speaker 3: was shot. But I do kind of wonder if that
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Speaker 3: that's a little bit what this that felt like just
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Speaker 3: just I have to say, like seeing this happen, particularly
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Speaker 3: the parallel to President Trump's being shot in Butler, that
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Speaker 3: it was the same thing over and over again, and
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Speaker 3: it was it was almost a successful assassination of the president,
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Speaker 3: and tragically it was a successful assassination of Charlie. Like
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Speaker 3: what is going on that there is this hate? And
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Speaker 3: I got to say, by the way, we have seen leftists.
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Speaker 3: We saw people on MSNBC cackling. I saw an image
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Speaker 3: on Twitter of this one soulless young woman dancing and
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Speaker 3: singing that Charlie Kirk had been shot in the neck.
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Speaker 3: I wanted to. It made me physically sick, the the
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Speaker 3: the joy at at his being murdered. But rather than
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Speaker 3: focus on that hate, and we could play those clips,
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Speaker 3: but you don't need to hear those angry haters. I
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Speaker 3: want to focus, actually on on some people on the
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Speaker 3: left that took a right message, and one of them
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Speaker 3: was was sank Ungyar, whose I don't know him, but
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Speaker 3: he's he's.
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Speaker 1: Liberal, hardcore liberal. Yeah. Yeah, he's the young he's guy.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: And he put and and and he got it right,
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Speaker 1: by the way.
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Speaker 3: So here's what he posted on x. He said a
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Speaker 3: while ago, I put out these rules for the Internet.
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Speaker 3: One when we disagree, we fight. Two we have a
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Speaker 3: beer afterwards. Three when we agree, we unite. I got
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Speaker 3: a lot of flax. Surprisingly for the line about the beer.
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Speaker 3: People would ask, oh, yeah, would you have a beer
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Speaker 3: with Charlie Kirk. Well I did, and I'm glad I
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Speaker 3: did because now I won't get to Yes. Charlie and
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Speaker 3: I disagreed a lot about really important things, but somehow
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Speaker 3: we didn't lose our humanity. We were still fellow Americans.
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Speaker 3: We can all choose to hate each other. Now that's
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Speaker 3: a normal human reaction. We can choose to blame each other,
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Speaker 3: and I'm sure we will endlessly, or we can defy
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Speaker 3: the voices of division in the country and have a
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Speaker 3: beer together this time in grief. If you really want
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Speaker 3: to strike back at whoever did this, listen to each other.
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Speaker 3: Instead of hating one another. They want us to hate
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Speaker 3: each other. Treating one another as brothers and sisters, as
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Speaker 3: a united America would be an historic act of defiance.
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Speaker 3: Since I'm on the left, I'll go first for everyone
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Speaker 3: on the right, and most especially the Kirk family. I
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Speaker 3: am so sorry for your loss. I share your grief,
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Speaker 3: and I want you to know that our hearts are
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Speaker 3: with you. I appreciate sink saying that I retweeted it
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Speaker 3: and just said, bravo, look like that. I don't want
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Speaker 3: to focus on the haters, on the anger, on the rage,
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Speaker 3: on the evil bile that we see, because that was
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Speaker 3: not Charlie's message. Charlie's message was one of love. It
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Speaker 3: was one of liberty, it was one of the Constitution,
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Speaker 3: it was one of the Gospel. It was one of hope,
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Speaker 3: it was one of faith. That's that that's where we
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Speaker 3: should focus. And I hope that that is a powerful,
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Speaker 3: powerful legacy coming out of the thirty one short years
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Speaker 3: that Charlie had on this earth.
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Speaker 2: Now, if you want to hear the rest of this conversation,
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Speaker 2: you can go back and listen to the full podcast
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Speaker 2: from earlier this week. Now onto story number two. All right, Sanata,
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Speaker 2: I want to talk about We're talking about standing up
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Speaker 2: for people of faith. And this is a story that
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Speaker 2: has certainly been unreported or underreported at best, and it
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Speaker 2: deals with what is happening with the persecution of Christians
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Speaker 2: in Nigeria. We also just had this attack, as you
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Speaker 2: mentioned at the beginning of the show, where sixty plus
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Speaker 2: were murdered.
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Speaker 1: Talk a little bit about this and what you're doing
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Speaker 1: to stand.
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Speaker 3: Up well in Nigeria. The persecution of Christians has been
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Speaker 3: nothing short of horrific, and I've spent my tenure in
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Speaker 3: the Senate advocating for those who are being persecuted for
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Speaker 3: their faith, advocating for Christians who are facing imprisonment and
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Speaker 3: torture and murder. The sheer scope of it in Nigeria's
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Speaker 3: staggering Boko Haram, the radical Islamist group in Nigeria since
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Speaker 3: their two thousand and nine insurgency Boko Haram has killed
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Speaker 3: over fifty thousand Christians in Nigeria. Over fifty thousand, and
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Speaker 3: that's according to a twenty twenty three report from the
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Speaker 3: International Society for Civil Liberties in the Rule of Law,
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Speaker 3: which is a Nigerian human rights watchdog. Over eighteen thousand
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Speaker 3: Christian church churches and over two thousand Christian schools have
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Speaker 3: been attacked during the same time period, and to put
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Speaker 3: that in comparison, the watchdog also concluded that thirty four
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Speaker 3: thousand moderate Muslims died from Jahadist attacks. So the Jahadas
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Speaker 3: they target, they target Muslims who don't embrace Jahad, but
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Speaker 3: they especially in Nigeria, target target Christians. Between twenty fifteen
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Speaker 3: and twenty twenty five, an estimated one hundred and forty
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Speaker 3: five priests were kidnapped in Nigeria. Multiple priest kidnappings have
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Speaker 3: happened this year, including one that Bokoharram carried out. In June,
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Speaker 3: the terror group abducted father Alfonsis Alfina, held him in
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Speaker 3: captivity for weeks before releasing him and thank god, he
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Speaker 3: was unharmed. Afina spent over fifty days in captivity and
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Speaker 3: he had previously spent six years in ministry in the
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Speaker 3: United States, and violence against Christians in Nigeria has been
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Speaker 3: a horrific problem. In June, just a couple of months ago,
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Speaker 3: Jihadis killed over two hundred Nijnigerian Christian villagers in a
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Speaker 3: farming community that is ninety seven percent Catholic. This is
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Speaker 3: a massive problem, and it's a problem that occurs with
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Speaker 3: the complicity of many officials, of judges, of ministers, of
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Speaker 3: officials in the Nigerian government. So what I did this
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Speaker 3: week is I filed legislation that's called the Nigeria Religious
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Speaker 3: Freedom Accountability Act of twenty twenty five and it does
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Speaker 3: several things. Number one, it requires the Secretary of State
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Speaker 3: to classify Nigeria as a country of particular concern and
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Speaker 3: that would add Nigeria to a list of countries where
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Speaker 3: religious freedom is severely limited. The State Department's list right
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Speaker 3: now includes Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, North Korea, Iran, Cuba, and
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Speaker 3: other nations outside the Western world. And severe violations of
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Speaker 3: religious freedom include torture without charges, force, disappearance, and other
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Speaker 3: flagrant denials of basic rights. Additionally, my legislation would ensure
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Speaker 3: that the State Department keeps the Islamist terrorist groups Boko
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Speaker 3: Haram and also isis West Africa designated as Entities of
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Speaker 3: Particular Concern, a classification for non state actors responsible for
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Speaker 3: egregious violations of religious liberty. Boko Haram's stronghold is in
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Speaker 3: northeast Nigeria and it has an acted presence in several
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Speaker 3: countries bordering Nigeria. In addition, my bill sanctions Nigerian government
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Speaker 3: officials who facilitate persecution against Christians and other religious minorities,
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Speaker 3: and if the bill were enacted, the State Department would
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Speaker 3: have ninety days to submit a report on the Nigerian
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Speaker 3: officials responsible for pushing blasphemy laws and for justifying violence
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Speaker 3: from Islamist groups. This is a very important role for
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Speaker 3: the United States to defend religious liberty, to defend persecuted Christians,
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Speaker 3: and it's been a passion of mine since getting elected
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Speaker 3: to the Senate thirteen years ago.
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Speaker 1: You know, this is something that it really does concern me.
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Speaker 1: It worries me.
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Speaker 2: And we're seeing and witnessing now so much not just
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Speaker 2: anti Semitism, but just anti faith, anti Christian.
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Speaker 1: And it's happening not just around the world but also well, well,
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Speaker 1: Monday's God.
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Speaker 3: Monday's pod focused on how the Biden Department of Justice
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Speaker 3: actively discriminated against Christians and systematically targeted Christians. Now, thank god,
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Speaker 3: they weren't doing things on the level of Boghahram. They
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Speaker 3: weren't weren't kidnapping and murdering them. But there was religious discrimination.
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Speaker 3: And part of religious discrimination is the Biden administration effectively
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Speaker 3: turned a blind eye to the persecution of Christians abroad.
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Speaker 3: So it wasn't committed committing these atrocities, but it also
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Speaker 3: was not acting nearly as vigorously as it should be
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Speaker 3: to defend religious liberty abroad.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Great point there.
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Speaker 2: We're going to in this moving forward, hopefully we'll set
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Speaker 2: a standard that America is not going to just stand
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Speaker 2: by and allow this to happen.
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Speaker 3: Right Well, well, yes, and Ben, I'll give an example,
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Speaker 3: an example during the Obama administration, there was a young
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Speaker 3: woman in Soudan named Miriam Ibrahim, and Miriam Ibrahim was
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Speaker 3: sentenced to receive one hundred lashes and then to hang
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Speaker 3: by the neck until dead.
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Speaker 1: Wow.
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Speaker 3: And her crime was being a Christian.
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Speaker 1: That's it.
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Speaker 3: For the crime of being a Christian, she was sentenced
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Speaker 3: to that. She was in a prison cell. She had
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Speaker 3: a toddler named Martin, who was eighteen months old, and
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Speaker 3: she was pregnant. She was pregnant. She gave birth to
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Speaker 3: a little girl named Maya. Maya was born in that
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Speaker 3: prison cell. Well, Miriam Ibrahim had her legs in leg irons.
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Speaker 3: She was in the mud, giving birth in leg irons. Now,
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Speaker 3: during the Obama administration, I repeatedly spoke out for Mariam Ibraham.
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Speaker 3: I went to the Senate floor, I spoke about Mariam Ibrahim.
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Speaker 3: I called for Sudan to release Miriam Ibrahim from this persecution.
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Speaker 3: Others spoke out, Other foreign governments spoke out. The Pope
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Speaker 3: spoke out in defense of Mariam Ibrahim. You know who
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Speaker 3: wouldn't speak out in defense of her?
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Speaker 1: Who is that? Barack Obama.
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Speaker 3: The entire course of his presidency, he would not say
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Speaker 3: her name. Samantha Power, who was Obama's ambassador to the
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Speaker 3: United Nations. I have a pretty good relationship with Samantha
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Speaker 3: and on Mary Ibraham. Samantha Power was actually quite good.
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Speaker 3: She spoke out urging Soudan to let Mary Ibrahim go.
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Speaker 3: I practically begged Samantha Power, why won't Obama say her name? Look,
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Speaker 3: we can disagree on political and partisan issues, but she's
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Speaker 3: in prison and sentenced to die for being a Christian.
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Speaker 3: The entire course of his president, I could not get
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Speaker 3: Obama to say her name even once. Ultimately, though, the
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Speaker 3: international pressure became so acute that the government of Sudan
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Speaker 3: gave in.
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Speaker 1: She was married.
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Speaker 3: Miriam is married to a man from New Hampshire, and
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Speaker 3: so Sudan released her and she came to the United
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Speaker 3: States to be with her husband. I met maryam Ibraheim
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Speaker 3: at a gathering and she was speaking about her experience
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Speaker 3: and speaking out for religious liberty, and I got to say,
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Speaker 3: Miriam is a tiny woman. She's maybe, I don't know,
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Speaker 3: five foot one. I would be surprised if she weighs
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Speaker 3: even one hundred pounds. She's a very very small woman.
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Speaker 3: And she was soft spoken, and I asked her, look,
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Speaker 3: you and I are both Christians. Are faith matters to us, sure,
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Speaker 3: But you know what, I've never been tested. I've never
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Speaker 3: been in prisons for my faith. I've never been told
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Speaker 3: I'm going to die, we will murder you unless you
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Speaker 3: renounce your faith. I hope and pray and believe I
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Speaker 3: would do the right thing and say absolutely not. But
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Speaker 3: I've never been tested with that.
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Speaker 1: And so when I.
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Speaker 3: Met her, I asked her, I said, look, when you
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Speaker 3: were in that prison cell, when they are threatening to
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Speaker 3: torture you and murder you, when you're looking at your babies,
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Speaker 3: your your toddler son and your newborn daughter, and you
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Speaker 3: know that they're about to execute you, how did you
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Speaker 3: not lose hope? How did you not give in to despair?
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Speaker 3: And ben She looked at me, very very calmly, and
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Speaker 3: she just said Jesus was with me.
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Speaker 1: Wow.
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Speaker 3: And it was powerful and and I'm hopeful that my
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Speaker 3: voice then played a part sure in ratcheting up the
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Speaker 3: pressure to get her released from prison. And so my
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Speaker 3: hope in Nigeria, I'm going to press to get this
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Speaker 3: legislation passed. I want to see the Trump administration designate
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Speaker 3: Nigeria and use pressure. And in particular, there is power
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Speaker 3: to pressuring the Nigerian government officials because you know what,
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Speaker 3: ministers of foreign governments, they like to get visas and
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Speaker 3: take their wives to New York to go shopping. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: and if you sanction the individual government officials who are complicit,
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Speaker 3: who are facilitating it, who are enforcing and prosecuting so
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Speaker 3: called blasphemy laws that can have a real and powerful effect.
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Speaker 3: And so my hope is this legislation and shining a
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Speaker 3: light will protect the Christians who are in Nigeria and
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Speaker 3: will stop the wide scale and murder of the Christians
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Speaker 3: that has been going on in Nigeria.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, aim into that as before.
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Speaker 2: If you want to hear the rest of this conversation
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Speaker 2: on this topic, you can go back and dow the
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Speaker 2: podcasts from earlier this week to hear the entire thing.
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Speaker 2: I want to get back to the big story number
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Speaker 2: three of the week.
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Speaker 1: You may have missed.
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Speaker 2: Add number two to the list real quick because if
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Speaker 2: you go Hitler first, let's throw in their next for
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Speaker 2: especially for people that are i don't know, forty five
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Speaker 2: and under. The most evil guy that we probably saw
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Speaker 2: in our lifetime in real life, and that was a
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Speaker 2: guy by the name of Osama bin Lauden, right like
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Speaker 2: throw him out there nine to eleven if you were alive,
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Speaker 2: if you remember it, Osama bin ladd is another one.
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Speaker 1: Don't don't side with Adolf Hitler.
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Speaker 2: And if you were my age, I'm forty four now,
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Speaker 2: don't whatever you do, don't side with Osama bin Laden
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Speaker 2: which brings us to this unhinged Tucker point number two.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, I just want you to listen to what
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Speaker 3: Tucker had to say about Osama bin Laden. Give a listen.
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Speaker 4: Let me just say I would be totally comfortable sharing
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Speaker 4: condolences with Osama bin Laden's family. I hate Asama bin Laden.
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Speaker 4: On the other hand, if somebody dies, it's okay to
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Speaker 4: say I'm sorry to his family that he has murder.
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Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying. Yeah, that's immaterial. I would say
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Speaker 4: that to the family of an executed murderer in a prison.
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Speaker 4: It doesn't mean I support the murderer or the murderer,
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Speaker 4: but this is family, Like, that's okay. That's called like
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Speaker 4: human decency. And anyone who against that, yeah, and is
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Speaker 4: even setting up this.
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Speaker 2: Let me just be clear, if I meet any of
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Speaker 2: the Osama bin Laden family members center, I'm not gonna
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Speaker 2: walk up back.
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Speaker 1: Let me give you.
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Speaker 2: American hug, real quick thoughts and prayers like, no, that's
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Speaker 2: not gonna happen.
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Speaker 3: Look, this is a bizarre position that that Tucker says
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Speaker 3: he's okay with giving condolences to Osama bin Lauden's family.
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Speaker 3: By the way, on his same reasoning, he'd be just
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Speaker 3: fine giving condolences to Adolf Hitler's family. Let me tell
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Speaker 3: you right now, I am not remotely sorry that Osama
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Speaker 3: bin Laden is dead. I'm not remotely sorry that Adolf
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Speaker 3: Hitler is dead. By the way, I'm not remotely sorry
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Speaker 3: that Jeffrey Dahmer is dead. I'm not remotely sorry that
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Speaker 3: Ted Bundy is dead. I'm not remotely sorry that Charles
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Speaker 3: Manson is dead. Yeah, if people are evil, psychotic mass murderers,
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Speaker 3: then society celebrates that they are no longer with us.
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Speaker 3: There is justice. I believe in the principle of justice
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Speaker 3: and understand. Osama bin Lauden let out k Kaita. He
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Speaker 3: planned nine to eleven, he executed nine to eleven, in
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Speaker 3: which case nearly three thousand people, most of whom were Americans,
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Speaker 3: were murdered. On September eleventh, You and I were both alive.
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Speaker 3: I was in Washington, d C. Heidi was in the
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Speaker 3: White House at the US Trade Representative's office. On nine
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Speaker 3: to eleven. She evacuated the White House because those terrorists
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Speaker 3: were murdering people. I lost a friend of mine, Barbara Olsen,
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Speaker 3: in the plane that crashed into the Pentagon when the
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Speaker 3: two towers collapsed in New York City. That was a
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Speaker 3: grotesque act of war. By the way, I'm also not
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Speaker 3: sorry that the kamikaze pilots in Pearl Harbor who murdered
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Speaker 3: American sailors, I'm not sorry that they're dead. There is
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Speaker 3: something bizarre.
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Speaker 1: There is a.
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Speaker 3: Moral relativism to saying, well, we should number one carry
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Speaker 3: out an incredible military act that takes out Wasama bin Laden,
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Speaker 3: but then number two express condolences to the family, to
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Speaker 3: the toddlers, We're so sorry we took out your psychotic
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Speaker 3: daddy who murdered nearly three thousand Americans. No, we're not sorry.
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Speaker 3: And this moral relativism, I gotta say it is a
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Speaker 3: weird thing. Yeah, when someone who considers himself calls himself
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Speaker 3: a conservative sounds exactly like Ilhan Omar, it is a
20:23
Speaker 3: weird thing when a supposed conservative sounds like Rashida Talib,
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Speaker 3: sounds like the AOC and says, gosh, we ought to
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Speaker 3: be saying I'm sorry to Osama bin Laden's family. No
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Speaker 3: we should not.
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Speaker 2: By the way, it's also weird that he goes in
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Speaker 2: this way like attacking America in our foreign policy in
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Speaker 2: essence and anybody that doesn't feel sorry for Terris, while
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Speaker 2: also giving propaganda out there on behalf of Ladimir Putin
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Speaker 2: and Russia with the interview that he did with him,
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Speaker 2: and then going shopping at the grocery store saying how
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Speaker 2: great life is in Russia, which if you go twenty
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Speaker 2: miles outside of Russia in any direction of Moscow, it's
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Speaker 2: very different than what it looks like for the elite
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Speaker 2: that are in Moscow. And everything in his trip was,
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Speaker 2: by the way, also controlled. They only let you see
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Speaker 2: what they want you to see. It's not like he
21:07
Speaker 2: can roam freely and decide, hey, I don't want to
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Speaker 2: go to your sure, you send me too, I want
21:10
Speaker 2: to go to another one that ain't gonna happen. And
21:13
Speaker 2: then then you go from this to what he had
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Speaker 2: to say about a terrorist organization that has killed countless
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Speaker 2: Jews and has said from the river to the sea,
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Speaker 2: they want to take out and annihilate all all Jews
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Speaker 2: in Israel. They want Israel to cease to exist. And
21:29
Speaker 2: he's like, well, hold on a second, maybe they're not
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Speaker 2: a terrorist organization. Maybe they're just a political organization. We
21:35
Speaker 2: should think about that. It's like, what the hell's going on.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, give a listen to what he said about hamasbus
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Speaker 3: because this is utterly bizarre. This is where Tucker has
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Speaker 3: gone full on woke leftist and don't take my word
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Speaker 3: for it. Listen to Tucker.
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Speaker 4: No one can plausibly claim that a Christian family are
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Speaker 4: in Hamas. Okay, so like, what tell me you can't
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Speaker 4: claim there in Hamas? Will simultaneously claiming that Hamas is
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Speaker 4: uh you know, grupugie hotties, their Islamic extremists, which they
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Speaker 4: also claim constantly, which I don't know if that's true,
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Speaker 4: by the way, it seems more like a political organization,
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Speaker 4: but whatever it is, they're telling us constantly they're al Qaeda,
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Speaker 4: So it can't also be true that Christians are a
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Speaker 4: member of al Qaeda. Sorry, yeah, yeah, so then we
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Speaker 4: know they're not an Amas, So why did they get killed?
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Speaker 4: Why was their church?
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Speaker 3: Bloy?
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Speaker 2: I go back to this, and I again, it's like
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Speaker 2: he's become an apologist for a terrorist organization, and he's saying, well,
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Speaker 2: they're not really a terrorist organization. They they they're and
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Speaker 2: and then the Christian aspect of this intertwarting that they're going, well,
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Speaker 2: then why do we kill them.
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Speaker 1: We kill people that are terrorist centered. That's what we do.
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Speaker 3: Well, what he's saying there is bizarre. I don't know
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Speaker 3: that Hamas is a terrorist organization. Let me be very clear.
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Speaker 3: Hamas is a terrorist organization.
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Speaker 1: He'll tell you that, Am I wrong?
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Speaker 2: Like they'll actually tell you they're a terrorist organization. They're
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Speaker 2: happy to tell you this and show you how good
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Speaker 2: they are at it.
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Speaker 3: Al Qaeda is a terrorist organization. Isis is a terrorist organization.
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Speaker 3: This is not just a question of opinion. This is
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Speaker 3: a question of facts. So let's give some fact. Article
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Speaker 3: eight of the nineteen eighty eight Hamas Covenants states quote
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Speaker 3: jihad is its path, and death for the sake of
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Speaker 3: Allah is the loftiest of his wishes. This is who
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Speaker 3: Tucker Carlson is defending. Globally, HAMAS is designated a terrorist
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Speaker 3: organization by the United States of America, that as a
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Speaker 3: matter of federal law, by Australia, by Canada, by Paraguay,
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Speaker 3: by Israel, by Japan, by New Zealand, by the United Kingdom,
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Speaker 3: and the European Union. Now, HAMAS is not formally designated
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Speaker 3: by Arab countries, but HAMAS is a branch of the
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Speaker 3: Muslim Brotherhood. By the way, I have legislation in the
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Speaker 3: Senate right now to designate the Muslim Brotherhood as a
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Speaker 3: terrorist organization because they unquestionably are. Article two of Hamas's
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Speaker 3: charter describes them as quote one of the wings of
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Speaker 3: the Muslim Brotherhood in Palestine, the Muslim Brotherhood, the Umbrella
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Speaker 3: organization is designated as a terrorist organization in Bahrain, in Egypt,
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Speaker 3: in Saudi Arabia, and in the UAE. They have always
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Speaker 3: been a terrorist organization if you just look at Wikipedia.
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Speaker 3: No no friend of Israel, no enemy of Hamas. Here's
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Speaker 3: what Wikipedia says. Quote. From two thousand to two thousand
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Speaker 3: and four, Hamas was responsible for killing nearly four hundred
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Speaker 3: Israelis and wounding more than two thousand in four hundred
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Speaker 3: and twenty five attacks. According to the Israeli Ministry of
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Speaker 3: Foreign Affairs, from two thousand and one through May of
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Speaker 3: two thousand and eight, Hamas launched more than three thousand
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Speaker 3: Casam rockets in two thousand, five hundred mortar attacks into Israel.
24:44
Speaker 3: And of course, Hamas is who carried out the October
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Speaker 3: seventh attacks, who sent death squads into Israel, where they
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Speaker 3: systematically went house to house murdering every person in the house,
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Speaker 3: targeting them because they are Jews. They murdered elderly people,
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Speaker 3: they murdered women, they murdered children, they murdered infants, they
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Speaker 3: murdered toddlers, They raped women and little girls, and they
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Speaker 3: murdered over twelve hundred Israelis, many of whom were Americans.
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Speaker 3: It's one of the worst terror attacks in history against
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Speaker 3: American citizens. And Tucker says, well, I think they're a
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Speaker 3: political organization. He bases this on the weird fact. Yes,
25:26
Speaker 3: it is true that in the Gaza strip when they
25:29
Speaker 3: had elections, Hamas won. The fact that the voters elected
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Speaker 3: a tort terrorist organization does not make them a political organization.
25:37
Speaker 3: They were in elected office when they carried out the
25:41
Speaker 3: October seventh terror attacks. And so I got to say, look,
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Speaker 3: this bizarre statement wasn't in the course of an episode
25:50
Speaker 3: where Tucker was interviewing this disgruntled State Department employee who
25:55
Speaker 3: was fired fired by the Trump administration, and he was
25:59
Speaker 3: give him an opportunity. And by the way, he was
26:01
Speaker 3: also slandering uh a young man who works for the
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Speaker 3: State Department works for Mike Huckabee, the President Trump's ambassador
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Speaker 3: to Israel, works for Marco Rubio, and and Tucker did
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Speaker 3: an entire segment attacking this young man. Why because he's
26:21
Speaker 3: Mark Levin's stepson. I gotta say it is grotesque for
26:26
Speaker 3: Tucker to go after Mark Levin.
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Speaker 2: He does, and let's explain why real quick, because I'm look,
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Speaker 2: Mark's a dear friend of mine in yours as well.
26:34
Speaker 2: This is a relative, Mark Levin. Mark Levin is clearly
26:37
Speaker 2: an advocate for Israel. He has stood there and for America,
26:41
Speaker 2: let's be clear, and for America America. And so now
26:45
Speaker 2: since Tucker Carlson, I guess is like, all right, well,
26:48
Speaker 2: anybody under that I don't like, right, Mark Levin a
26:51
Speaker 2: family member, Let's just hammer that person to somehow make
26:55
Speaker 2: it hurt. I wish he had this much animosity towards
26:57
Speaker 2: Vladimir Putin when he was interviewing him.
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Speaker 3: And by the way, not just Flatteriputine, he had the
27:02
Speaker 3: president of Iran, and I mean it was a love fest.
27:06
Speaker 3: I mean he practically spooned with the President of Iran.
27:09
Speaker 3: I don't know if he was big spoon or little spoon,
27:11
Speaker 3: but there was no skepticism. And by the way, he's
27:15
Speaker 3: literally interviewing someone who is actively trying to murder Donald Trump.
27:20
Speaker 3: And this is a weird game. So listen. Tucker recognizes
27:25
Speaker 3: that the folks that listen to him will get very
27:28
Speaker 3: mad at him if he explicitly criticizes Donald Trump. So
27:32
Speaker 3: what does he do instead? He just criticizes everything Trump does.
27:35
Speaker 3: He blasts. He has a whole segment on how Mike
27:37
Speaker 3: Huckabee is terrible. Well, who is it that appointed Mike
27:40
Speaker 3: Huckaby the ambassador to Israel? That would be Donald J. Trump.
27:44
Speaker 3: And everything he attacks about Ambassador Huckabee he is doing
27:47
Speaker 3: on behalf of Trump. But Tucker is unwilling. He doesn't
27:51
Speaker 3: have the courage, You don't have the backbone to actually
27:53
Speaker 3: attack Trump, so he just attacks everything Trump does. He
27:57
Speaker 3: attacks bombing Iran, Well, who was the command and chief
28:00
Speaker 3: who made the order? And by the way, that was
28:02
Speaker 3: an incredibly successful military operation that made America safer. I
28:08
Speaker 3: gotta say, listen, if you say something publicly and the
28:13
Speaker 3: words you said are indistinguishable from something said by Ilhan
28:18
Speaker 3: Omar Rashida Talib, that ought to be a sign you've
28:22
Speaker 3: got a problem. And I don't know what's going on
28:26
Speaker 3: with Tucker. I don't know what is driving. It's one
28:30
Speaker 3: thing to feel kind of isolationist and to say, gosh,
28:33
Speaker 3: you know, I don't like wars. Okay, fine, that is
28:36
Speaker 3: a view. And to be clear, Donald Trump doesn't like
28:38
Speaker 3: wars either. Joe Biden and the Democrats get us in war.
28:42
Speaker 3: President Trump has gotten us out of war. But getting
28:44
Speaker 3: us out of war you do it through strength. And
28:46
Speaker 3: getting us out of war does not mean that you
28:49
Speaker 3: refuse to defend America. Fine, if Tucker wants to be isolationist,
28:53
Speaker 3: knock yourself out. But this bizarre apology and defense of
28:59
Speaker 3: Osa I'm a bin Lodden, the defense of Hamas, and
29:02
Speaker 3: defense of the president of Iran, that is, there is
29:07
Speaker 3: something unhinged. And I hope people around Tucker go in
29:10
Speaker 3: and say, come on, man, yeah, come come on. Let's
29:15
Speaker 3: say we love America and we're not gonna lie to
29:18
Speaker 3: the American people.
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