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Awakening to Nature: A Conversation with Tigrilla Gardenia · The Living Conversation

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  I'm
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  Anthony
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  Wright
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  and
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  I'm
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  your
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  co
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  host
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  today
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  on
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  the
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  Living
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  Conversation
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  with
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  Adam
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  Dietz.
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  Welcome
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  back.
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  And
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  we
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  are
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  talking
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  with
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  our
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  guest
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  who
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  is
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  in
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  Italy
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  right
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  now,
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  Tigrea,
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  Tigrea
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  Gardenia,
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  who
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  is
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  a,
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  an
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  ambassador
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  and
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  a
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  plant
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  advocate.
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  And
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  before
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  the
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  break,
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  Tigrea,
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  you
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  were
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  talking
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  about
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  a
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  daily
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  practice
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  of
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  just
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  breathing.
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  I
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  mean
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  it's
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  so
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  simple.
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  But
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  I
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  also
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  wanted
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  to
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  reflect.
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  I'm
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  currently
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  in
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  an
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  MBA
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  program
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  all
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  about
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  business
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  and
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  my
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  goodness,
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  what
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  a
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  different
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  experience
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  this
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  is
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  in
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  business
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  is
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  all
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  about
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  counting
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  stuff
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  and
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  there
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  isn't
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  a
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  lot
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  that
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  I'm
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  finding
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  so
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  far
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  that
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  is
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  about
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  humanity
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  in
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  the
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  natural
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  world.
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  And
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  I
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  was
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  listening
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  to
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  you
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  speak
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  about
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  the
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  natural
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  cycles
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  that
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  you
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  are
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  now
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  attending
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  to
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  that
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  are
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  not
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  allowed
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  for.
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  Like
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  when
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  you
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  were
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  working
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  for
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  Microsoft
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  for
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  example
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  or
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  you
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  know,
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  they're
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  not
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  allowed
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  for
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  in
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  the
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  corporate
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  culture
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  because
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  it's
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  all
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  this
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  thinking
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  and
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  it's
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  disconnected
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  from
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  this
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  envelope
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  that
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  we
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  happen
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  to
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  live
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  in
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  this
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  human
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  body.
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  So
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  the
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  thing
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  that
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  I'm
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  curious
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  about
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  is
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  what
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  was
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  your
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  experience
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  when
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  you
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  finally
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  began
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  to
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  tune
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  into
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  that
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  and
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  be,
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  be
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  released
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  from
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  your
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  corporate
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  bondage?
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  This
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  is
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  such
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  a
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  great
• 1:47
  question.
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  So
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  I
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  made
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  a
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  pact
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  with
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  myself
• 1:51
  when
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  I
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  left
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  the
• 1:52
  corporate
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  world.
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  I
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  made
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  a
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  pact
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  that
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  said
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  I
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  was
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  never
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  going
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  to
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  wake
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  up
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  with
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  an
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  alarm
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  clock
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  again.
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  Oh
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  no,
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  that
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  was
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  my
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  pact.
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  How
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  long
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  were
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  you
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  there
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  in
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  the
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  corporate
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  world
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  by
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  the
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  way?
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  I
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  spent
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  10
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  years
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  in
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  high
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  tech
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  back
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  then
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  and
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  then
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  I
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  left
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  and
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  then
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  I
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  started
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  producing
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  my
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  own
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  events
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  and
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  I
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  had
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  an
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  event
• 2:11
  production
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  company
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  and
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  a
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  circus
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  and
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  I
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  co
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  owned
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  a
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  circus.
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  And
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  then
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  eventually
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  I
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  left
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  on
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  tour
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  with
• 2:15
  Cirque
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  Duos
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  Soleil
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  which
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  to
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  be
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  honest,
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  Microsoft
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  was
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  a
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  lot
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  better
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  than
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  Cirque
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  du
• 2:19
  Soleil.
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  But
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  that's
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  another
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  story
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  altogether.
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  There
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  was
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  a
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  lot
• 2:22
  of
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  other
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  good
• 2:23
  things
• 2:23
  that
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  came
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  out
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  of
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  this
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  and
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  then
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  I've
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  been
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  pretty
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  much
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  working
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  for
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  myself
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  like
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  for,
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  since
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  then.
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  So
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  it's,
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  it's
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  been
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  a
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  very
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  long
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  time.
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  And
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  I,
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  you
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  know,
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  I
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  kept
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  this
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  packed
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  for
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  myself
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  for
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  a
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  very,
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  very
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  long
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  time.
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  Right
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  now
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  I
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  do
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  use
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  an
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  alarm
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  clock.
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  But
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  there's
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  reasons
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  for
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  it
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  and
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  one
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  of
• 2:42
  the
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  things
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  that
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  I
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  wanted
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  to
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  understand
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  was
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  when
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  I
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  started
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  working
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  with
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  the
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  Natur
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  world,
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  one
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  of
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  the
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  things
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  I
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  really
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  wanted
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  to
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  understand
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  was
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  my
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  own
• 2:50
  cycles.
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  I
• 2:51
  spent
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  the
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  better
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  part
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  of
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  a
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  year
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  where
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  I
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  literally,
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  I
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  said
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  to
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  myself
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  I
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  have,
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  I
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  have
• 2:57
  an
• 2:57
  innate
• 2:58
  trust
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  that
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  I
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  am
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  a,
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  let's
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  just
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  say
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  ambitious
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  person.
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  Like
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  in
• 3:03
  the
• 3:03
  sense
• 3:03
  that
• 3:03
  I
• 3:04
  have
• 3:04
  a
• 3:04
  desire
• 3:05
  for
• 3:06
  mission
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  and
• 3:06
  Purpose
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  and
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  for
• 3:08
  service.
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  So
• 3:09
  I
• 3:09
  knew
• 3:10
  that
• 3:10
  I'm
• 3:11
  not,
• 3:11
  I
• 3:12
  feel
• 3:12
  like
• 3:12
  I'm
• 3:12
  lazy
• 3:13
  because
• 3:13
  I
• 3:13
  feel
• 3:13
  like
• 3:13
  I
• 3:13
  have
• 3:13
  a
• 3:13
  lot
• 3:14
  of
• 3:14
  downtime,
• 3:14
  but
• 3:14
  we'll
• 3:15
  get
• 3:15
  to
• 3:15
  that
• 3:15
  in
• 3:15
  a
• 3:15
  second.
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  But
• 3:16
  I
• 3:16
  knew
• 3:16
  that
• 3:17
  in
• 3:17
  the
• 3:17
  end
• 3:18
  my
• 3:18
  desire
• 3:19
  to
• 3:19
  do
• 3:19
  things
• 3:19
  was
• 3:20
  always
• 3:20
  very
• 3:21
  strong.
• 3:21
  So
• 3:22
  I
• 3:22
  said
• 3:22
  to
• 3:22
  myself,
• 3:22
  you
• 3:23
  know
• 3:23
  what
• 3:23
  I'm
• 3:23
  going
• 3:23
  to,
• 3:23
  I
• 3:24
  don't
• 3:24
  know
• 3:24
  what
• 3:24
  my
• 3:24
  natural
• 3:25
  cycle
• 3:25
  is.
• 3:25
  I
• 3:25
  mean,
• 3:26
  I've
• 3:26
  been
• 3:26
  waking
• 3:26
  up
• 3:26
  at
• 3:27
  a
• 3:27
  certain
• 3:27
  time
• 3:28
  since
• 3:29
  birth
• 3:29
  pretty
• 3:30
  much
• 3:30
  like,
• 3:30
  you
• 3:30
  know,
• 3:31
  you
• 3:31
  know,
• 3:32
  you
• 3:32
  have
• 3:32
  to
• 3:32
  wake
• 3:33
  up
• 3:33
  with
• 3:33
  an
• 3:33
  alarm
• 3:33
  clock,
• 3:34
  you
• 3:34
  have
• 3:34
  to
• 3:34
  go
• 3:34
  to
• 3:34
  school,
• 3:34
  you
• 3:35
  have
• 3:35
  to
• 3:35
  go
• 3:35
  to
• 3:35
  work,
• 3:35
  you
• 3:35
  have
• 3:36
  to
• 3:36
  go
• 3:36
  to,
• 3:36
  you
• 3:36
  know,
• 3:36
  all
• 3:36
  these
• 3:37
  different
• 3:37
  things.
• 3:37
  You
• 3:37
  must,
• 3:38
  you
• 3:38
  must,
• 3:38
  you
• 3:38
  must.
• 3:39
  And
• 3:40
  I,
• 3:40
  I
• 3:41
  don't
• 3:41
  know
• 3:41
  when
• 3:42
  I'm
• 3:42
  productive.
• 3:43
  And
• 3:43
  so
• 3:44
  I
• 3:44
  did
• 3:44
  this
• 3:44
  experiment
• 3:45
  and
• 3:45
  I
• 3:45
  started
• 3:45
  to
• 3:45
  record
• 3:46
  and
• 3:46
  I
• 3:47
  said,
• 3:47
  what
• 3:47
  is
• 3:48
  if
• 3:48
  I
• 3:48
  was
• 3:48
  to
• 3:48
  just
• 3:49
  give
• 3:49
  myself
• 3:49
  perm
• 3:50
  to
• 3:50
  work
• 3:50
  whenever
• 3:51
  I
• 3:51
  felt
• 3:51
  called
• 3:51
  to
• 3:51
  work
• 3:52
  and
• 3:52
  to
• 3:52
  rest
• 3:53
  whenever
• 3:53
  I
• 3:53
  felt
• 3:53
  called
• 3:54
  to
• 3:54
  rest,
• 3:54
  what
• 3:54
  would
• 3:54
  happen?
• 3:55
  And
• 3:55
  it
• 3:55
  was
• 3:55
  amazing.
• 3:56
  I
• 3:56
  discovered
• 3:57
  my
• 3:57
  natural
• 3:58
  rhythm,
• 3:58
  for
• 3:58
  example,
• 3:58
  is
• 3:59
  I
• 4:00
  actually
• 4:00
  naturally
• 4:00
  get
• 4:01
  up
• 4:01
  decently
• 4:02
  early
• 4:02
  in
• 4:03
  the
• 4:03
  sense
• 4:03
  that
• 4:04
  by,
• 4:04
  you
• 4:05
  know,
• 4:05
  eight
• 4:05
  o'
• 4:06
  clock
• 4:06
  in
• 4:06
  the
• 4:06
  morning
• 4:06
  I
• 4:07
  am
• 4:07
  up
• 4:07
  and
• 4:08
  functional.
• 4:08
  Like
• 4:09
  and
• 4:09
  then
• 4:10
  I,
• 4:10
  I
• 4:11
  that
• 4:11
  period
• 4:11
  of
• 4:12
  time,
• 4:12
  the
• 4:12
  morning
• 4:12
  time
• 4:13
  is
• 4:14
  like
• 4:14
  when
• 4:15
  I
• 4:15
  am
• 4:15
  peak
• 4:16
  strategy.
• 4:17
  Like
• 4:17
  I
• 4:17
  can
• 4:17
  do
• 4:17
  things
• 4:18
  that
• 4:18
  are
• 4:18
  strategic
• 4:18
  in
• 4:19
  nature,
• 4:19
  things
• 4:19
  that
• 4:20
  have
• 4:20
  require
• 4:21
  thought
• 4:21
  process
• 4:22
  to
• 4:22
  do
• 4:22
  all
• 4:23
  that.
• 4:23
  And
• 4:23
  then
• 4:24
  I
• 4:24
  have
• 4:24
  a
• 4:25
  very
• 4:25
  late
• 4:25
  lunch.
• 4:25
  Like
• 4:26
  in
• 4:26
  my
• 4:26
  ideal
• 4:27
  world
• 4:27
  I
• 4:27
  don't
• 4:27
  eat
• 4:28
  until
• 4:28
  it
• 4:28
  was
• 4:29
  great
• 4:29
  because
• 4:29
  I
• 4:29
  was
• 4:29
  living
• 4:29
  in
• 4:30
  Spain
• 4:30
  at
• 4:30
  the
• 4:30
  time
• 4:30
  like
• 4:31
  2,
• 4:31
  3
• 4:31
  o'
• 4:32
  clock
• 4:32
  in
• 4:32
  the
• 4:32
  afternoon.
• 4:33
  And
• 4:34
  after
• 4:34
  that
• 4:34
  I
• 4:34
  am
• 4:35
  useless.
• 4:35
  I
• 4:36
  am
• 4:36
  like
• 4:37
  veg
• 4:37
  on
• 4:37
  the
• 4:37
  couch,
• 4:38
  watch
• 4:39
  a
• 4:39
  movie,
• 4:40
  like
• 4:41
  sleep,
• 4:42
  take
• 4:42
  a
• 4:42
  nap,
• 4:43
  siesta.
• 4:43
  And
• 4:43
  I,
• 4:44
  like
• 4:44
  I
• 4:44
  said,
• 4:44
  get
• 4:44
  along
• 4:44
  very
• 4:45
  well.
• 4:45
  And
• 4:45
  then
• 4:45
  when
• 4:45
  I'm
• 4:46
  done
• 4:46
  with
• 4:46
  that,
• 4:47
  I
• 4:47
  become
• 4:48
  productive
• 4:48
  again,
• 4:49
  but
• 4:49
  in
• 4:49
  a
• 4:49
  more
• 4:50
  mystical
• 4:51
  like
• 4:51
  that's
• 4:51
  when
• 4:51
  I
• 4:52
  do,
• 4:52
  I'm
• 4:52
  a
• 4:52
  coach.
• 4:53
  And
• 4:54
  so
• 4:54
  that's
• 4:54
  when
• 4:55
  I
• 4:55
  love
• 4:56
  my
• 4:56
  clients.
• 4:56
  I
• 4:57
  love
• 4:57
  to
• 4:57
  do
• 4:57
  client
• 4:58
  calls
• 4:58
  or
• 4:59
  to
• 4:59
  teach
• 4:59
  workshops
• 5:00
  at
• 5:00
  that
• 5:00
  time
• 5:00
  because
• 5:01
  it's
• 5:01
  much
• 5:01
  more
• 5:02
  relational
• 5:03
  and
• 5:03
  that
• 5:03
  time
• 5:05
  and
• 5:05
  then
• 5:05
  I
• 5:06
  have
• 5:06
  another
• 5:06
  period
• 5:07
  of
• 5:07
  like
• 5:08
  downtime
• 5:08
  and
• 5:09
  then
• 5:09
  if
• 5:09
  I
• 5:09
  am
• 5:09
  awake
• 5:10
  past
• 5:11
  10
• 5:11
  o',
• 5:11
  clock,
• 5:12
  all
• 5:12
  of
• 5:12
  a
• 5:13
  sudden
• 5:13
  I'm
• 5:13
  up
• 5:13
  until
• 5:13
  3
• 5:13
  o'
• 5:14
  clock
• 5:14
  in
• 5:14
  the
• 5:14
  morning.
• 5:14
  And
• 5:15
  I
• 5:15
  am
• 5:15
  super
• 5:16
  creative.
• 5:17
  Like
• 5:17
  that's
• 5:17
  when
• 5:18
  I
• 5:18
  create
• 5:18
  the
• 5:18
  most
• 5:19
  innovative
• 5:20
  stuff
• 5:21
  that
• 5:21
  is
• 5:21
  like
• 5:21
  coming
• 5:22
  from
• 5:22
  outer
• 5:22
  space
• 5:23
  and
• 5:23
  who
• 5:23
  knows
• 5:23
  what
• 5:23
  the
• 5:24
  heck
• 5:24
  is
• 5:24
  inspired.
• 5:26
  So
• 5:26
  when
• 5:27
  I,
• 5:27
  when
• 5:27
  I
• 5:28
  realized
• 5:29
  all
• 5:29
  of
• 5:29
  this
• 5:29
  and
• 5:29
  then
• 5:30
  decided
• 5:30
  to
• 5:30
  lean
• 5:31
  into
• 5:31
  it,
• 5:32
  you
• 5:32
  would
• 5:32
  be
• 5:33
  amazed.
• 5:33
  I
• 5:34
  get
• 5:34
  so
• 5:34
  much
• 5:34
  more
• 5:35
  done.
• 5:35
  I
• 5:35
  consider
• 5:36
  myself
• 5:36
  lazy
• 5:37
  because
• 5:37
  I
• 5:37
  Have
• 5:38
  a
• 5:38
  lot
• 5:38
  of
• 5:38
  downtime.
• 5:39
  Like
• 5:39
  I
• 5:39
  spend
• 5:39
  a
• 5:39
  lot
• 5:39
  of
• 5:40
  time
• 5:40
  staring
• 5:41
  out
• 5:41
  at
• 5:41
  Gary
• 5:42
  the
• 5:42
  silver
• 5:42
  fur
• 5:43
  or
• 5:43
  sitting
• 5:43
  on
• 5:44
  my
• 5:44
  balcon
• 5:44
  balcony
• 5:44
  or
• 5:45
  sitting
• 5:45
  on
• 5:45
  my
• 5:45
  couch
• 5:45
  looking
• 5:46
  at
• 5:46
  art
• 5:47
  and
• 5:47
  just
• 5:49
  sitting
• 5:49
  there.
• 5:50
  And
• 5:50
  yet
• 5:51
  people
• 5:51
  are
• 5:51
  constantly
• 5:52
  telling
• 5:52
  me,
• 5:52
  I
• 5:52
  don't
• 5:53
  know
• 5:53
  how
• 5:53
  you
• 5:53
  produce
• 5:53
  so
• 5:54
  much.
• 5:54
  And
• 5:54
  I
• 5:54
  was
• 5:55
  like,
• 5:55
  I
• 5:55
  produce
• 5:55
  so
• 5:55
  much
• 5:56
  because
• 5:56
  I
• 5:56
  only
• 5:56
  work
• 5:57
  when
• 5:57
  I'm
• 5:57
  inspired.
• 5:58
  Only
• 5:58
  work
• 5:58
  when
• 5:59
  I'm
• 5:59
  inspired.
• 6:00
  And
• 6:00
  when
• 6:00
  I'm
• 6:00
  inspired,
• 6:01
  I
• 6:02
  am
• 6:02
  like
• 6:02
  a
• 6:02
  machine.
• 6:03
  I
• 6:03
  mean,
• 6:03
  I
• 6:03
  can
• 6:03
  get
• 6:03
  so
• 6:04
  much
• 6:04
  done,
• 6:05
  but
• 6:05
  I
• 6:05
  don't
• 6:06
  force
• 6:06
  myself.
• 6:06
  Like,
• 6:07
  I
• 6:07
  don't
• 6:07
  do
• 6:07
  client
• 6:07
  calls
• 6:08
  in
• 6:08
  the
• 6:08
  morning
• 6:08
  unless
• 6:09
  I
• 6:09
  have
• 6:09
  to.
• 6:10
  I'll
• 6:10
  do
• 6:10
  meetings
• 6:11
  in
• 6:11
  person,
• 6:12
  but
• 6:12
  I
• 6:12
  won't
• 6:12
  do
• 6:12
  like
• 6:13
  other
• 6:14
  kinds
• 6:14
  of
• 6:14
  stuff
• 6:14
  unless,
• 6:15
  you
• 6:15
  know,
• 6:15
  there's
• 6:15
  a
• 6:15
  rare
• 6:16
  exception
• 6:17
  because
• 6:17
  that's
• 6:17
  just
• 6:17
  not
• 6:18
  when
• 6:18
  my
• 6:18
  body
• 6:18
  works.
• 6:20
  And
• 6:20
  that
• 6:21
  has
• 6:21
  been
• 6:22
  liberating.
• 6:24
  And
• 6:24
  then
• 6:25
  going
• 6:25
  back
• 6:25
  to
• 6:25
  the
• 6:25
  deciduous
• 6:26
  trees
• 6:26
  that
• 6:26
  you
• 6:26
  were
• 6:27
  talking
• 6:27
  about,
• 6:27
  deciduous
• 6:28
  trees
• 6:28
  are
• 6:29
  dropping
• 6:29
  their
• 6:29
  leaves
• 6:30
  because
• 6:30
  they're
• 6:30
  pulling
• 6:31
  in
• 6:31
  all
• 6:32
  their
• 6:32
  resources.
• 6:33
  So
• 6:33
  in
• 6:33
  the
• 6:33
  fall
• 6:34
  I
• 6:34
  do
• 6:35
  a.
• 6:36
  What
• 6:36
  is
• 6:36
  important
• 6:37
  to
• 6:37
  me?
• 6:37
  What
• 6:38
  is
• 6:38
  the
• 6:38
  analysis?
• 6:39
  Like,
• 6:39
  how
• 6:39
  do,
• 6:39
  what
• 6:40
  do,
• 6:40
  what
• 6:40
  do
• 6:40
  I
• 6:40
  keep,
• 6:40
  what
• 6:41
  am
• 6:41
  I
• 6:41
  going
• 6:41
  to
• 6:41
  get
• 6:41
  rid
• 6:41
  of?
• 6:42
  Like,
• 6:42
  so
• 6:42
  that
• 6:43
  by
• 6:43
  the
• 6:43
  wintertime
• 6:44
  I
• 6:45
  am
• 6:46
  way
• 6:46
  slower.
• 6:47
  My
• 6:47
  world
• 6:48
  is
• 6:48
  now
• 6:49
  built
• 6:49
  on
• 6:49
  my
• 6:50
  natural
• 6:50
  cycles.
• 6:51
  Like
• 6:52
  what
• 6:52
  works
• 6:53
  for
• 6:53
  me.
• 6:53
  And
• 6:54
  again,
• 6:54
  I
• 6:55
  am
• 6:55
  super
• 6:56
  productive
• 6:57
  in
• 6:58
  much
• 6:58
  less
• 6:59
  time.
• 6:59
  We
• 6:59
  call
• 6:59
  it
• 7:00
  here
• 7:00
  the
• 7:00
  augmenting
• 7:01
  of
• 7:02
  complexity.
• 7:02
  I
• 7:03
  am
• 7:03
  way
• 7:03
  more
• 7:03
  complex
• 7:04
  than
• 7:04
  I
• 7:04
  ever
• 7:05
  was.
• 7:05
  And
• 7:06
  so
• 7:06
  it's
• 7:07
  great.
• 7:08
  It's
• 7:08
  so
• 7:09
  much,
• 7:09
  it's
• 7:09
  liberating
• 7:10
  because
• 7:10
  then
• 7:11
  when
• 7:11
  I
• 7:11
  do
• 7:11
  feel
• 7:11
  tired,
• 7:12
  I
• 7:13
  just
• 7:13
  go
• 7:13
  and
• 7:13
  take
• 7:13
  a
• 7:13
  nap.
• 7:14
  Like
• 7:14
  I
• 7:14
  do
• 7:14
  not
• 7:15
  have
• 7:15
  any
• 7:15
  qualms
• 7:16
  about
• 7:16
  it
• 7:17
  anymore.
• 7:18
  And
• 7:18
  I
• 7:18
  only
• 7:19
  wake
• 7:19
  up
• 7:19
  early
• 7:20
  because
• 7:20
  it
• 7:20
  is
• 7:20
  in
• 7:21
  the
• 7:21
  wee
• 7:21
  hours
• 7:21
  of
• 7:22
  the
• 7:22
  morning
• 7:22
  that
• 7:22
  I
• 7:23
  like
• 7:23
  to
• 7:23
  exercise.
• 7:24
  I
• 7:24
  like
• 7:24
  to
• 7:24
  exercise
• 7:25
  when
• 7:25
  it's
• 7:25
  dark
• 7:26
  outside.
• 7:27
  Don't
• 7:27
  ask
• 7:27
  me
• 7:27
  why,
• 7:28
  it's
• 7:28
  just
• 7:28
  the
• 7:28
  way
• 7:28
  my
• 7:29
  body
• 7:29
  is
• 7:29
  built.
• 7:30
  If
• 7:30
  I
• 7:30
  wait
• 7:31
  until
• 7:31
  after
• 7:32
  8am,
• 7:33
  I
• 7:33
  will
• 7:33
  never
• 7:33
  exercise.
• 7:35
  Somewhere
• 7:35
  between
• 7:36
  5am
• 7:36
  and
• 7:37
  8am
• 7:38
  that's
• 7:38
  when
• 7:38
  I
• 7:38
  get
• 7:39
  the
• 7:39
  most.
• 7:41
  That's
• 7:41
  just
• 7:41
  how
• 7:41
  my
• 7:41
  mind
• 7:42
  works
• 7:42
  and
• 7:43
  that's
• 7:43
  how
• 7:43
  my
• 7:43
  body
• 7:43
  works.
• 7:44
  And
• 7:44
  I
• 7:45
  now
• 7:45
  honor
• 7:45
  that.
• 7:46
  And
• 7:46
  I
• 7:46
  think
• 7:46
  that's
• 7:46
  the
• 7:46
  biggest
• 7:47
  difference.
• 7:48
  There
• 7:48
  are
• 7:48
  some
• 7:49
  places
• 7:49
  that
• 7:49
  I've
• 7:50
  worked
• 7:50
  on
• 7:50
  in
• 7:50
  the
• 7:50
  startup
• 7:51
  world
• 7:51
  that
• 7:51
  allowed
• 7:52
  for
• 7:52
  that.
• 7:53
  And
• 7:53
  I
• 7:53
  think
• 7:53
  that
• 7:53
  that's
• 7:54
  why
• 7:54
  the
• 7:54
  innovation
• 7:55
  happens
• 7:55
  in
• 7:55
  the
• 7:55
  startup
• 7:56
  world.
• 7:56
  That
• 7:56
  idea
• 7:57
  of
• 7:57
  just
• 7:57
  the
• 7:57
  straight
• 7:58
  up
• 7:58
  9
• 7:58
  to
• 7:58
  5
• 7:58
  doesn't
• 7:59
  work.
• 7:59
  The
• 7:59
  idea
• 7:59
  that
• 8:00
  somebody
• 8:00
  and
• 8:01
  many
• 8:01
  startups
• 8:02
  had,
• 8:02
  I
• 8:02
  mean,
• 8:02
  at
• 8:02
  least
• 8:03
  in
• 8:03
  the
• 8:03
  days
• 8:03
  that
• 8:03
  I
• 8:03
  used
• 8:03
  to
• 8:04
  work
• 8:04
  in
• 8:04
  startups,
• 8:04
  you
• 8:04
  know,
• 8:04
  we
• 8:05
  had,
• 8:05
  you
• 8:05
  know,
• 8:05
  pool
• 8:06
  tables
• 8:06
  and
• 8:06
  ping
• 8:07
  pong.
• 8:07
  I
• 8:07
  Mean,
• 8:07
  even
• 8:07
  Microsoft
• 8:08
  had
• 8:08
  them
• 8:08
  and
• 8:09
  games
• 8:09
  and
• 8:10
  stuff.
• 8:10
  Why?
• 8:10
  Because
• 8:12
  need
• 8:12
  downtime.
• 8:14
  I
• 8:14
  can't
• 8:14
  not
• 8:15
  a
• 8:15
  machine.
• 8:15
  And
• 8:16
  I
• 8:16
  think
• 8:16
  that
• 8:17
  if
• 8:17
  you
• 8:18
  looked
• 8:18
  at
• 8:18
  for
• 8:18
  example
• 8:19
  biomimicry
• 8:20
  for
• 8:20
  social
• 8:20
  innovation
• 8:21
  and
• 8:21
  you
• 8:22
  introduce
• 8:22
  some
• 8:22
  of
• 8:23
  those
• 8:23
  principles
• 8:24
  into
• 8:24
  MBA
• 8:25
  programs,
• 8:26
  for
• 8:26
  example,
• 8:26
  and
• 8:26
  this
• 8:27
  is
• 8:27
  the
• 8:27
  reason
• 8:27
  why
• 8:27
  biomimicry
• 8:28
  like
• 8:29
  is
• 8:29
  in
• 8:30
  coming
• 8:30
  into
• 8:31
  certain
• 8:31
  kinds
• 8:31
  of
• 8:32
  business
• 8:32
  structures,
• 8:32
  especially
• 8:33
  for
• 8:33
  social
• 8:33
  innovation,
• 8:34
  which
• 8:34
  is
• 8:34
  a
• 8:34
  little
• 8:34
  bit
• 8:35
  more
• 8:35
  difficult
• 8:35
  because
• 8:35
  you
• 8:35
  have
• 8:36
  to
• 8:36
  look
• 8:36
  for
• 8:36
  other
• 8:36
  kinds
• 8:37
  of
• 8:37
  patterns.
• 8:37
  But
• 8:38
  when
• 8:38
  you
• 8:38
  do
• 8:39
  that,
• 8:40
  oh
• 8:40
  man,
• 8:41
  there's
• 8:41
  just.
• 8:42
  It's
• 8:43
  so
• 8:43
  much
• 8:43
  more
• 8:43
  enjoyable.
• 8:44
  It's
• 8:45
  so
• 8:45
  much
• 8:45
  more
• 8:45
  enjoyable.
• 8:46
  Yeah,
• 8:47
  I
• 8:47
  really
• 8:47
  got
• 8:47
  a
• 8:47
  sense
• 8:48
  of
• 8:48
  joy.
• 8:48
  So
• 8:48
  yeah,
• 8:51
  you're
• 8:51
  a
• 8:51
  Confucian
• 8:52
  specialist
• 8:52
  and
• 8:53
  does.
• 8:53
  What
• 8:53
  is.
• 8:54
  What
• 8:54
  does
• 8:54
  Confucius
• 8:55
  have
• 8:55
  to
• 8:55
  say
• 8:55
  about
• 8:55
  this?
• 8:56
  Or
• 8:56
  what
• 8:56
  were
• 8:56
  you
• 8:56
  going
• 8:57
  to
• 8:57
  mention?
• 8:57
  Well,
• 8:57
  yeah,
• 8:58
  I
• 8:58
  want
• 8:58
  to
• 8:58
  just
• 8:58
  point
• 8:59
  out
• 8:59
  real
• 8:59
  quick
• 8:59
  that,
• 9:00
  you
• 9:00
  know,
• 9:00
  when
• 9:00
  you're
• 9:00
  Talking
• 9:01
  about
• 9:01
  the
• 9:01
  5am
• 9:02
  to
• 9:03
  8am
• 9:04
  window,
• 9:06
  that's
• 9:06
  where
• 9:07
  in.
• 9:07
  Let's
• 9:08
  take
• 9:08
  it
• 9:08
  from
• 9:08
  a
• 9:08
  Taoist
• 9:09
  bent,
• 9:09
  that's
• 9:10
  where
• 9:10
  the
• 9:11
  world
• 9:11
  is
• 9:11
  fresh,
• 9:12
  it's
• 9:12
  new
• 9:12
  energy.
• 9:13
  And
• 9:13
  I
• 9:14
  just
• 9:14
  want
• 9:14
  to
• 9:14
  make
• 9:14
  the
• 9:14
  connection
• 9:15
  that
• 9:15
  that's
• 9:15
  the
• 9:15
  time
• 9:16
  of
• 9:16
  the
• 9:16
  year
• 9:17
  that
• 9:17
  we're
• 9:17
  in
• 9:17
  right
• 9:17
  now.
• 9:18
  Lunar
• 9:18
  New
• 9:18
  Year
• 9:19
  occurs
• 9:19
  at
• 9:19
  this
• 9:19
  time
• 9:20
  for
• 9:20
  a
• 9:20
  reason.
• 9:20
  Because
• 9:21
  you
• 9:21
  know,
• 9:21
  the,
• 9:22
  the
• 9:22
  winter
• 9:22
  is
• 9:22
  over,
• 9:23
  we're
• 9:23
  past
• 9:23
  midwinter.
• 9:24
  We've
• 9:25
  had
• 9:25
  a
• 9:25
  month
• 9:26
  past
• 9:26
  midwinter
• 9:26
  where
• 9:27
  we
• 9:27
  kind
• 9:27
  of,
• 9:27
  you
• 9:27
  know,
• 9:27
  collect
• 9:28
  our
• 9:28
  thoughts,
• 9:28
  gather
• 9:28
  our
• 9:29
  energy
• 9:29
  and
• 9:29
  now
• 9:30
  brand
• 9:30
  new
• 9:30
  fresh
• 9:31
  energy
• 9:31
  is
• 9:31
  going
• 9:31
  to
• 9:31
  be
• 9:31
  entering
• 9:32
  the
• 9:32
  world.
• 9:33
  So
• 9:33
  I
• 9:33
  just
• 9:33
  wanted
• 9:34
  to
• 9:34
  make
• 9:34
  the
• 9:34
  connection
• 9:34
  with
• 9:34
  Chinese
• 9:35
  cosmology.
• 9:36
  Confucius
• 9:38
  is
• 9:38
  very,
• 9:39
  very
• 9:39
  interesting
• 9:41
  in
• 9:41
  this
• 9:41
  regard.
• 9:42
  There
• 9:42
  are
• 9:43
  some
• 9:43
  really
• 9:45
  profound
• 9:46
  moments
• 9:47
  in
• 9:47
  Confucianism
• 9:48
  where
• 9:48
  it
• 9:48
  talks
• 9:48
  about
• 9:48
  ecology
• 9:50
  and
• 9:51
  human
• 9:51
  relating
• 9:51
  to
• 9:52
  ecology.
• 9:53
  Like
• 9:53
  use
• 9:54
  a
• 9:54
  big
• 9:54
  net
• 9:54
  when
• 9:54
  you're
• 9:55
  fishing.
• 9:56
  No,
• 9:57
  use
• 9:57
  a
• 9:57
  net
• 9:58
  that
• 9:58
  allows.
• 9:59
  Oh,
• 10:00
  I'm
• 10:00
  getting
• 10:00
  it
• 10:00
  wrong.
• 10:02
  The
• 10:02
  thought
• 10:02
  of
• 10:02
  my
• 10:02
  head,
• 10:02
  I'm
• 10:02
  getting
• 10:03
  it
• 10:03
  wrong.
• 10:03
  But
• 10:03
  I
• 10:04
  want.
• 10:04
  More
• 10:04
  importantly
• 10:05
  though,
• 10:05
  and
• 10:05
  this
• 10:05
  is
• 10:05
  where
• 10:05
  I
• 10:06
  want
• 10:06
  to
• 10:06
  get
• 10:06
  your
• 10:06
  take
• 10:06
  on
• 10:07
  it
• 10:07
  to
• 10:07
  gorilla
• 10:07
  is
• 10:09
  Confucius
• 10:10
  has
• 10:10
  I
• 10:10
  had
• 10:10
  this
• 10:11
  experience
• 10:11
  when
• 10:11
  I
• 10:11
  was
• 10:11
  working
• 10:11
  with
• 10:12
  state
• 10:12
  parks.
• 10:12
  I
• 10:13
  thought,
• 10:13
  oh
• 10:14
  man,
• 10:15
  you
• 10:15
  know,
• 10:15
  spirituality
• 10:16
  has
• 10:16
  to
• 10:16
  be
• 10:17
  in
• 10:17
  a
• 10:17
  mountaintop
• 10:18
  somewhere
• 10:18
  and
• 10:18
  I
• 10:18
  have
• 10:18
  to
• 10:18
  listen
• 10:19
  to
• 10:19
  the
• 10:19
  birds
• 10:19
  and
• 10:19
  the
• 10:20
  streams
• 10:20
  and
• 10:21
  get
• 10:21
  away
• 10:21
  from
• 10:21
  this
• 10:22
  dirty
• 10:22
  world.
• 10:23
  And
• 10:23
  then
• 10:24
  I
• 10:24
  got
• 10:24
  smacked
• 10:25
  right
• 10:25
  in
• 10:25
  the
• 10:25
  face
• 10:25
  with
• 10:25
  Confucius
• 10:26
  who
• 10:26
  said
• 10:27
  we're
• 10:27
  not
• 10:28
  birds,
• 10:28
  we
• 10:29
  are
• 10:29
  human
• 10:29
  beings.
• 10:30
  And
• 10:30
  I
• 10:31
  think
• 10:31
  you
• 10:31
  hit
• 10:31
  on
• 10:31
  it
• 10:31
  a
• 10:32
  little
• 10:32
  earlier
• 10:32
  where
• 10:32
  human
• 10:33
  beings
• 10:33
  have
• 10:33
  a
• 10:33
  role
• 10:34
  to
• 10:34
  play
• 10:34
  and
• 10:35
  our
• 10:35
  role
• 10:35
  to
• 10:35
  play
• 10:36
  is
• 10:36
  in
• 10:37
  humanity,
• 10:37
  in
• 10:38
  our
• 10:38
  relationships
• 10:38
  and
• 10:39
  that
• 10:39
  only
• 10:39
  we
• 10:40
  can
• 10:41
  fulfill
• 10:41
  that
• 10:41
  role.
• 10:42
  Our
• 10:42
  entire,
• 10:43
  entire
• 10:44
  time
• 10:44
  and
• 10:45
  space
• 10:45
  of
• 10:45
  cosmos
• 10:46
  has
• 10:46
  come
• 10:46
  into
• 10:47
  this
• 10:47
  human
• 10:47
  being
• 10:48
  and
• 10:48
  my
• 10:49
  entire
• 10:49
  destiny
• 10:50
  and
• 10:50
  karma
• 10:50
  has
• 10:50
  put
• 10:50
  me
• 10:51
  in
• 10:51
  these
• 10:51
  relationships
• 10:52
  in
• 10:52
  this
• 10:52
  time
• 10:52
  and
• 10:52
  space.
• 10:53
  And
• 10:53
  only
• 10:53
  I
• 10:54
  can
• 10:54
  fulfill
• 10:55
  what
• 10:55
  we
• 10:55
  call
• 10:55
  in
• 10:55
  Confucianism,
• 10:56
  heaven's
• 10:56
  destiny
• 10:57
  in
• 10:57
  this
• 10:57
  time
• 10:57
  and
• 10:58
  space.
• 10:58
  Could
• 10:59
  you
• 10:59
  say
• 10:59
  something
• 10:59
  from
• 10:59
  your
• 10:59
  perspective
• 11:00
  on,
• 11:00
  on
• 11:01
  how
• 11:01
  humanity
• 11:02
  plays
• 11:03
  its
• 11:03
  role?
• 11:03
  You
• 11:04
  mentioned
• 11:04
  it
• 11:04
  a
• 11:04
  little
• 11:04
  earlier,
• 11:05
  but
• 11:05
  could
• 11:05
  you,
• 11:05
  could
• 11:06
  you
• 11:06
  go
• 11:06
  back
• 11:07
  into
• 11:07
  it
• 11:07
  in
• 11:07
  this
• 11:07
  context?
• 11:08
  Yeah,
• 11:09
  this
• 11:09
  is,
• 11:09
  this
• 11:10
  is
• 11:10
  a
• 11:10
  great
• 11:10
  conversation
• 11:11
  because,
• 11:13
  you
• 11:13
  know,
• 11:13
  so
• 11:14
  Diamond
• 11:15
  Hurrians
• 11:15
  believe
• 11:15
  in
• 11:15
  reincarnation
• 11:16
  and
• 11:16
  we
• 11:17
  also
• 11:17
  work
• 11:18
  very
• 11:18
  close
• 11:18
  with
• 11:18
  the
• 11:18
  soul
• 11:19
  structure.
• 11:19
  And
• 11:20
  as
• 11:20
  you
• 11:20
  said,
• 11:21
  when
• 11:21
  you
• 11:21
  incarnate,
• 11:22
  right,
• 11:22
  we
• 11:22
  incarnate
• 11:23
  with
• 11:23
  a
• 11:23
  set
• 11:23
  of
• 11:23
  personalities
• 11:24
  into
• 11:25
  a
• 11:25
  general
• 11:25
  structure.
• 11:26
  We
• 11:26
  have
• 11:26
  a
• 11:26
  piece
• 11:27
  of
• 11:27
  ourselves
• 11:27
  that
• 11:27
  is
• 11:28
  always
• 11:28
  kind
• 11:28
  of.
• 11:29
  We
• 11:29
  call
• 11:29
  it
• 11:29
  the
• 11:29
  element.
• 11:30
  In
• 11:30
  nature
• 11:30
  you
• 11:31
  call
• 11:31
  it
• 11:31
  the
• 11:31
  deep
• 11:31
  pattern.
• 11:32
  It's
• 11:32
  something
• 11:33
  you
• 11:33
  see
• 11:33
  often
• 11:33
  when
• 11:34
  you're
• 11:34
  talking
• 11:34
  about
• 11:34
  social
• 11:34
  innovation.
• 11:35
  What
• 11:35
  is
• 11:35
  the
• 11:36
  deep
• 11:36
  pattern?
• 11:37
  And
• 11:37
  we
• 11:37
  all
• 11:38
  have
• 11:38
  this
• 11:38
  like
• 11:38
  element
• 11:39
  and
• 11:39
  deep
• 11:39
  pattern
• 11:39
  that
• 11:40
  we
• 11:40
  express
• 11:40
  at
• 11:41
  everything
• 11:41
  from
• 11:41
  life
• 11:42
  to
• 11:42
  life
• 11:42
  to
• 11:42
  life.
• 11:42
  But
• 11:43
  your
• 11:43
  personalities
• 11:43
  are
• 11:44
  different
• 11:45
  based
• 11:45
  on
• 11:45
  what
• 11:45
  is
• 11:46
  necessary
• 11:46
  for
• 11:46
  you
• 11:46
  to
• 11:46
  accomplish
• 11:47
  in
• 11:47
  this
• 11:48
  life,
• 11:48
  right?
• 11:48
  So
• 11:49
  it's
• 11:49
  that,
• 11:49
  that
• 11:49
  time
• 11:50
  and
• 11:50
  space
• 11:50
  that
• 11:50
  is
• 11:51
  very
• 11:51
  different.
• 11:52
  And,
• 11:52
  and
• 11:53
  how
• 11:53
  do
• 11:54
  we
• 11:54
  get
• 11:54
  into
• 11:54
  connection
• 11:55
  with
• 11:55
  this?
• 11:56
  It
• 11:56
  is,
• 11:56
  like
• 11:56
  you
• 11:56
  said,
• 11:57
  understanding
• 11:57
  our
• 11:58
  role.
• 11:58
  Remember
• 11:58
  I
• 11:58
  said
• 11:59
  Dhamen
• 11:59
  hur
• 11:59
  is
• 11:59
  a
• 12:00
  culture
• 12:00
  where
• 12:00
  we
• 12:00
  look
• 12:00
  at,
• 12:01
  instead
• 12:01
  of
• 12:01
  meditation,
• 12:02
  it's
• 12:02
  medit
• 12:02
  action
• 12:03
  because
• 12:03
  it
• 12:04
  is
• 12:04
  the
• 12:04
  actions
• 12:04
  that
• 12:05
  we
• 12:05
  take.
• 12:05
  It
• 12:05
  is
• 12:06
  the
• 12:06
  role
• 12:06
  that
• 12:07
  I
• 12:07
  fill
• 12:08
  as
• 12:08
  part
• 12:08
  of
• 12:08
  what
• 12:09
  we
• 12:09
  call
• 12:09
  the
• 12:09
  super
• 12:09
  individual.
• 12:10
  Right?
• 12:10
  We
• 12:11
  are
• 12:11
  a
• 12:11
  collective
• 12:12
  we
• 12:12
  for
• 12:12
  us
• 12:13
  Dominherans,
• 12:13
  we
• 12:14
  say
• 12:14
  you
• 12:14
  need
• 12:14
  to
• 12:14
  have
• 12:14
  a
• 12:14
  minimum
• 12:15
  of
• 12:15
  five
• 12:15
  people
• 12:15
  in
• 12:16
  order
• 12:16
  to
• 12:16
  create
• 12:16
  a
• 12:16
  person.
• 12:17
  So
• 12:18
  it
• 12:18
  takes
• 12:19
  five
• 12:19
  people
• 12:19
  to
• 12:19
  create
• 12:19
  a
• 12:20
  person.
• 12:20
  Because
• 12:21
  each
• 12:21
  one
• 12:21
  of
• 12:21
  us
• 12:21
  has
• 12:22
  different
• 12:22
  roles
• 12:22
  that
• 12:22
  we
• 12:23
  play.
• 12:23
  We
• 12:23
  play
• 12:23
  mirrors
• 12:24
  to
• 12:24
  one
• 12:24
  another
• 12:25
  to
• 12:25
  help
• 12:25
  us
• 12:25
  in
• 12:25
  our
• 12:26
  evolution.
• 12:26
  And
• 12:26
  even
• 12:27
  in
• 12:27
  nature
• 12:27
  we
• 12:27
  say
• 12:28
  that
• 12:29
  species
• 12:29
  evolve
• 12:30
  faster
• 12:30
  together.
• 12:31
  And
• 12:32
  it's
• 12:32
  the
• 12:32
  same
• 12:32
  thing
• 12:32
  for
• 12:33
  us.
• 12:33
  We
• 12:33
  are
• 12:33
  part
• 12:33
  of
• 12:34
  nature,
• 12:34
  so
• 12:34
  we
• 12:34
  evolve
• 12:35
  faster
• 12:35
  together.
• 12:36
  And
• 12:36
  so
• 12:36
  when
• 12:36
  you're
• 12:37
  working
• 12:37
  with
• 12:37
  others,
• 12:37
  you
• 12:38
  can
• 12:38
  create
• 12:38
  what's
• 12:38
  called
• 12:39
  a
• 12:39
  super
• 12:39
  individual,
• 12:40
  which
• 12:40
  is
• 12:40
  definitely
• 12:41
  the
• 12:41
  sum
• 12:41
  of,
• 12:42
  you
• 12:42
  know,
• 12:42
  the,
• 12:42
  not
• 12:43
  just
• 12:43
  the
• 12:43
  sum
• 12:43
  of
• 12:43
  their
• 12:43
  parts,
• 12:44
  right?
• 12:44
  It's
• 12:44
  that,
• 12:44
  that
• 12:45
  plus
• 12:45
  that
• 12:45
  gets
• 12:46
  created
• 12:46
  from
• 12:46
  the
• 12:47
  union.
• 12:47
  So
• 12:48
  in
• 12:48
  reality,
• 12:48
  we
• 12:48
  always
• 12:49
  live
• 12:49
  inside
• 12:49
  these
• 12:50
  super
• 12:50
  rich
• 12:50
  relational
• 12:51
  fields.
• 12:52
  And
• 12:52
  it
• 12:52
  is
• 12:52
  those
• 12:52
  relational
• 12:53
  fields,
• 12:54
  whether
• 12:54
  we're
• 12:54
  talking
• 12:54
  about
• 12:55
  our
• 12:55
  connection
• 12:55
  to
• 12:55
  Mycelium,
• 12:56
  whether
• 12:56
  it's
• 12:56
  talking
• 12:57
  about
• 12:57
  connection
• 12:57
  to
• 12:58
  your
• 12:58
  brother,
• 12:58
  your
• 12:58
  sister,
• 12:59
  to
• 12:59
  your
• 12:59
  friend,
• 13:00
  or
• 13:00
  even
• 13:00
  to
• 13:00
  your
• 13:01
  enemy.
• 13:01
  Because
• 13:02
  as
• 13:02
  we
• 13:02
  know
• 13:03
  from
• 13:03
  nature,
• 13:03
  right,
• 13:04
  we
• 13:04
  have
• 13:04
  parasites
• 13:05
  and
• 13:05
  we
• 13:05
  have
• 13:06
  competition
• 13:06
  and
• 13:06
  we
• 13:07
  have
• 13:07
  all
• 13:07
  these
• 13:07
  other
• 13:07
  beings
• 13:08
  that
• 13:09
  in
• 13:09
  the
• 13:09
  right
• 13:10
  dosage,
• 13:11
  in
• 13:11
  the
• 13:11
  right
• 13:11
  Duration
• 13:12
  can
• 13:12
  be
• 13:13
  really
• 13:13
  powerful
• 13:15
  entities
• 13:16
  that
• 13:16
  help
• 13:16
  us
• 13:17
  move
• 13:17
  into
• 13:18
  new
• 13:18
  levels.
• 13:19
  And
• 13:19
  so
• 13:20
  all
• 13:20
  of
• 13:20
  these
• 13:20
  different
• 13:21
  pieces
• 13:21
  kind
• 13:22
  of
• 13:22
  connect
• 13:22
  together
• 13:23
  in
• 13:23
  order
• 13:23
  for
• 13:23
  us
• 13:24
  to
• 13:24
  create
• 13:24
  what
• 13:25
  needs
• 13:25
  to
• 13:25
  be
• 13:25
  created.
• 13:26
  And
• 13:26
  you
• 13:27
  said
• 13:27
  another
• 13:27
  element
• 13:27
  that
• 13:28
  I
• 13:28
  think
• 13:28
  is
• 13:28
  so,
• 13:29
  so
• 13:29
  important
• 13:30
  and
• 13:31
  which
• 13:31
  is
• 13:32
  there
• 13:32
  was
• 13:33
  a
• 13:33
  study
• 13:33
  done
• 13:33
  many,
• 13:33
  many
• 13:34
  years
• 13:34
  ago
• 13:34
  by
• 13:34
  Stephen
• 13:35
  Kellert,
• 13:35
  who
• 13:36
  is
• 13:36
  the
• 13:36
  person
• 13:37
  who
• 13:37
  co
• 13:38
  founded
• 13:38
  or
• 13:38
  co
• 13:39
  coined
• 13:39
  the
• 13:39
  word
• 13:40
  biophilia
• 13:40
  with
• 13:41
  E.O.
• 13:41
  Wilson.
• 13:42
  And
• 13:42
  they
• 13:42
  did
• 13:43
  a
• 13:43
  study
• 13:43
  called
• 13:44
  the
• 13:44
  Nature
• 13:44
  of
• 13:45
  Americans.
• 13:46
  And
• 13:46
  it
• 13:46
  was
• 13:46
  a
• 13:46
  study
• 13:47
  done
• 13:47
  that
• 13:47
  compared
• 13:48
  adult
• 13:49
  Americans
• 13:50
  and
• 13:50
  children
• 13:51
  in
• 13:52
  their
• 13:52
  relationships
• 13:53
  to
• 13:53
  nature.
• 13:54
  And
• 13:54
  what
• 13:54
  they
• 13:54
  found
• 13:55
  was
• 13:55
  super
• 13:56
  fascinating
• 13:56
  because
• 13:57
  they
• 13:57
  said
• 13:57
  one
• 13:57
  of
• 13:57
  the
• 13:57
  problems
• 13:58
  for
• 13:58
  humans
• 13:58
  talking
• 13:59
  about
• 13:59
  that
• 13:59
  disconnection
• 14:00
  is
• 14:00
  that
• 14:00
  we
• 14:00
  see
• 14:01
  nature
• 14:01
  as
• 14:02
  out
• 14:02
  there.
• 14:03
  I
• 14:03
  need
• 14:03
  to
• 14:03
  go
• 14:04
  hiking.
• 14:04
  I
• 14:04
  need
• 14:05
  to
• 14:05
  go
• 14:05
  to
• 14:05
  the
• 14:05
  mountaintop.
• 14:06
  We
• 14:06
  believe
• 14:07
  that
• 14:07
  that
• 14:08
  mystical
• 14:08
  experience
• 14:10
  comes
• 14:10
  from
• 14:11
  going
• 14:11
  out
• 14:11
  there
• 14:12
  and
• 14:12
  getting
• 14:12
  far
• 14:13
  away
• 14:13
  from
• 14:13
  humans.
• 14:14
  But
• 14:14
  children
• 14:16
  find
• 14:16
  it
• 14:17
  in
• 14:17
  the
• 14:17
  most
• 14:17
  awe
• 14:18
  inspiring
• 14:19
  places
• 14:20
  right
• 14:20
  next
• 14:20
  to
• 14:20
  them.
• 14:21
  They
• 14:21
  walk
• 14:21
  out
• 14:22
  of
• 14:22
  the
• 14:22
  house
• 14:22
  and
• 14:23
  they
• 14:23
  see
• 14:23
  like
• 14:24
  a
• 14:24
  little
• 14:25
  plant
• 14:25
  that's
• 14:26
  growing
• 14:26
  or
• 14:26
  moss
• 14:26
  growing
• 14:27
  in
• 14:27
  the
• 14:27
  sidewalk
• 14:27
  crack.
• 14:28
  And
• 14:28
  they're
• 14:28
  like,
• 14:29
  wait,
• 14:29
  it's
• 14:30
  a
• 14:30
  whole.
• 14:30
  Look
• 14:30
  at
• 14:30
  that.
• 14:34
  It's
• 14:34
  like
• 14:35
  the
• 14:35
  miracle
• 14:36
  of
• 14:36
  everything.
• 14:36
  And
• 14:37
  all
• 14:37
  of
• 14:37
  a
• 14:37
  sudden
• 14:37
  those
• 14:38
  endorphins
• 14:39
  hit.
• 14:39
  All
• 14:40
  of
• 14:40
  that
• 14:40
  awe
• 14:40
  and
• 14:40
  wonder
• 14:41
  that
• 14:42
  that
• 14:42
  is
• 14:42
  part
• 14:42
  of
• 14:43
  our
• 14:43
  connection
• 14:43
  to
• 14:43
  nature
• 14:44
  gets
• 14:44
  triggered.
• 14:44
  Remember
• 14:45
  I
• 14:45
  was
• 14:46
  one
• 14:46
  of
• 14:46
  the
• 14:46
  things
• 14:46
  I
• 14:46
  discovered
• 14:47
  is
• 14:48
  I
• 14:48
  sit
• 14:48
  here
• 14:48
  sometimes
• 14:49
  like
• 14:49
  for
• 14:49
  an
• 14:50
  hour
• 14:50
  and
• 14:50
  I
• 14:50
  just
• 14:51
  either
• 14:51
  I
• 14:52
  have
• 14:52
  a
• 14:52
  beautiful
• 14:52
  wall,
• 14:53
  you
• 14:53
  can't
• 14:53
  see
• 14:53
  it,
• 14:53
  but
• 14:54
  my
• 14:54
  house
• 14:55
  is
• 14:55
  covered
• 14:55
  in
• 14:56
  art
• 14:56
  and
• 14:57
  I
• 14:57
  love
• 14:57
  art
• 14:58
  for,
• 14:58
  because
• 14:59
  it
• 14:59
  triggers
• 14:59
  that
• 15:00
  connection,
• 15:00
  that
• 15:01
  creativity,
• 15:01
  that,
• 15:02
  that
• 15:02
  connection
• 15:02
  to
• 15:03
  the
• 15:03
  energy
• 15:03
  people
• 15:03
  put
• 15:04
  into
• 15:04
  it,
• 15:04
  that,
• 15:05
  that
• 15:05
  nature
• 15:05
  connection.
• 15:06
  So
• 15:06
  I'm
• 15:06
  always
• 15:07
  like
• 15:07
  just
• 15:07
  sitting
• 15:08
  there
• 15:08
  staring
• 15:09
  and
• 15:09
  that
• 15:09
  is
• 15:09
  my
• 15:09
  mystical
• 15:10
  experience.
• 15:10
  I
• 15:10
  don't
• 15:10
  need.
• 15:11
  I
• 15:11
  mean,
• 15:11
  I
• 15:11
  go
• 15:11
  to
• 15:11
  the
• 15:11
  mountains
• 15:12
  a
• 15:12
  lot.
• 15:12
  I
• 15:12
  go
• 15:12
  hiking.
• 15:13
  I
• 15:13
  live
• 15:13
  in
• 15:13
  this
• 15:14
  beautiful
• 15:14
  valley
• 15:15
  filled
• 15:15
  with
• 15:15
  gorgeous
• 15:16
  mountains
• 15:16
  and.
• 15:18
  But
• 15:18
  I
• 15:18
  also
• 15:19
  love
• 15:20
  just
• 15:20
  sitting
• 15:21
  at
• 15:21
  home
• 15:21
  with,
• 15:22
  you
• 15:22
  know,
• 15:23
  Noel,
• 15:24
  the
• 15:24
  Christmas
• 15:24
  cactus,
• 15:25
  or
• 15:26
  today
• 15:26
  I
• 15:26
  was
• 15:27
  in
• 15:27
  a
• 15:27
  weird
• 15:28
  mood
• 15:28
  and
• 15:28
  I
• 15:28
  went
• 15:29
  to
• 15:29
  go
• 15:29
  buy
• 15:30
  to
• 15:30
  move
• 15:30
  something
• 15:31
  by
• 15:31
  my
• 15:31
  window.
• 15:31
  And
• 15:32
  Zan,
• 15:32
  who
• 15:32
  is
• 15:33
  one
• 15:33
  of
• 15:33
  the
• 15:33
  Galactic
• 15:34
  Aloe
• 15:35
  siblings
• 15:35
  that
• 15:35
  lives
• 15:35
  in
• 15:36
  my
• 15:36
  house,
• 15:36
  is
• 15:37
  putting
• 15:37
  out
• 15:37
  a
• 15:37
  beautiful
• 15:38
  flower.
• 15:39
  And
• 15:39
  I
• 15:40
  was
• 15:40
  so
• 15:41
  awestruck
• 15:42
  that
• 15:42
  my
• 15:42
  whole
• 15:43
  afternoon
• 15:43
  was
• 15:44
  fantastic.
• 15:44
  I
• 15:44
  just
• 15:45
  finished
• 15:45
  my
• 15:45
  nap
• 15:46
  and
• 15:46
  I
• 15:47
  was
• 15:47
  like
• 15:47
  a
• 15:48
  little
• 15:48
  groggy
• 15:48
  still.
• 15:48
  And
• 15:49
  all
• 15:49
  of
• 15:49
  a
• 15:49
  sudden
• 15:49
  I
• 15:49
  saw
• 15:49
  this
• 15:50
  flower.
• 15:50
  I
• 15:50
  even
• 15:50
  wrote
• 15:51
  a
• 15:51
  Instagram
• 15:51
  story
• 15:52
  about
• 15:52
  it
• 15:52
  because
• 15:52
  it's
• 15:53
  like,
• 15:54
  oh
• 15:55
  my
• 15:55
  goodness
• 15:55
  and
• 15:56
  hope.
• 15:56
  Thank
• 15:57
  you.
• 15:58
  And
• 15:58
  all
• 15:59
  of
• 15:59
  a
• 15:59
  sudden
• 15:59
  I
• 15:59
  feel
• 15:59
  amazing.
• 16:00
  My
• 16:00
  mystical
• 16:01
  experience
• 16:01
  doesn't
• 16:02
  require
• 16:02
  me
• 16:02
  to
• 16:03
  go
• 16:03
  out
• 16:03
  there.
• 16:04
  I
• 16:04
  am
• 16:04
  totally
• 16:05
  captivated
• 16:06
  by
• 16:06
  all
• 16:07
  the
• 16:07
  natural,
• 16:07
  whether
• 16:08
  that's
• 16:08
  holding
• 16:08
  on
• 16:09
  to
• 16:09
  the
• 16:09
  wood
• 16:09
  of
• 16:09
  my
• 16:10
  table
• 16:11
  or
• 16:11
  the
• 16:12
  cotton
• 16:12
  fibers
• 16:13
  of
• 16:13
  my
• 16:13
  clothes
• 16:14
  or
• 16:15
  Zan
• 16:15
  putting
• 16:16
  out
• 16:16
  a
• 16:16
  flower
• 16:17
  or
• 16:17
  Gary
• 16:17
  the
• 16:18
  silver
• 16:18
  first
• 16:18
  standing
• 16:19
  huge
• 16:20
  right
• 16:20
  outside
• 16:20
  my
• 16:21
  window.
• 16:21
  It's
• 16:22
  all
• 16:22
  nature.
• 16:22
  And
• 16:23
  it
• 16:23
  all
• 16:23
  has
• 16:23
  the
• 16:24
  opportunity
• 16:24
  to
• 16:25
  trigger
• 16:25
  that
• 16:26
  beauty
• 16:26
  that
• 16:27
  you
• 16:27
  see
• 16:27
  in
• 16:28
  Kabbalah
• 16:28
  when
• 16:29
  we
• 16:29
  talk
• 16:29
  about
• 16:29
  like
• 16:29
  Tiferets,
• 16:30
  that
• 16:31
  awe,
• 16:31
  that
• 16:32
  wonder
• 16:32
  that
• 16:33
  is
• 16:33
  what
• 16:33
  is
• 16:34
  so
• 16:34
  healthy
• 16:34
  for
• 16:34
  us.
• 16:35
  Yeah,
• 16:35
  we
• 16:36
  have
• 16:36
  to
• 16:36
  take
• 16:36
  a
• 16:36
  short
• 16:36
  break,
• 16:37
  I'm
• 16:37
  sorry
• 16:37
  to
• 16:37
  say.
• 16:37
  I'm
• 16:38
  Anthony
• 16:38
  Wright
• 16:38
  and
• 16:39
  I'm
• 16:39
  your
• 16:39
  co
• 16:39
  host
• 16:39
  today
• 16:40
  on
• 16:40
  the
• 16:40
  Living
• 16:40
  Conversation
• 16:41
  with.
• 16:42
  Adam
• 16:42
  Dietz,
• 16:42
  who
• 16:42
  just
• 16:42
  remembered
• 16:43
  the
• 16:43
  net
• 16:43
  story
• 16:43
  says
• 16:44
  stay
• 16:44
  tuned.
• 16:45
  Okay.
• 16:45
  And
• 16:46
  stay
• 16:46
  tuned.
• 16:46
  And
• 16:47
  we're
• 16:47
  with
• 16:47
  our
• 16:47
  guest,
• 16:47
  Tigrella
• 16:48
  Gardenia.
• 16:49
  And
• 16:49
  how
• 16:49
  can
• 16:49
  people
• 16:49
  contact
• 16:50
  you?
• 16:50
  Tigrella
• 16:51
  and
• 16:52
  I
• 16:52
  can
• 16:52
  be
• 16:52
  found
• 16:52
  on
• 16:53
  all
• 16:53
  the
• 16:53
  platforms
• 16:54
  at
• 16:54
  just
• 16:54
  at
• 16:55
  Tigria
• 16:55
  gardenia
• 16:56
  or@tigriagardenia.com
• 16:58
  and
• 16:59
  it's
• 16:59
  t
• 17:00
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• 17:00
  G.
• 17:01
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• 17:03
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• 17:03
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• 17:03
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• 17:05
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• 17:05
  N
• 17:05
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• 17:06
  A.
• 17:07
  Great.
• 17:07
  We'll
• 17:08
  take
• 17:08
  a
• 17:08
  short
• 17:08
  break
• 17:08
  and
• 17:08
  be
• 17:09
  right
• 17:09
  back.
• 17:09
  So
• 17:09
  stay
• 17:09
  tuned.
• 17:11
  I'm
• 17:12
  Anthony
• 17:12
  Wright
• 17:12
  and
• 17:12
  I'm
• 17:13
  your
• 17:13
  co
• 17:13
  host
• 17:13
  today
• 17:14
  on
• 17:14
  the
• 17:14
  Living
• 17:15
  Conversation
• 17:15
  with
• 17:16
  Adam
• 17:16
  Dietz.
• 17:16
  Welcome
• 17:17
  back
• 17:17
  to
• 17:17
  the
• 17:17
  conversation.
• 17:18
  And
• 17:18
  our
• 17:19
  guest
• 17:19
  today
• 17:19
  is
• 17:20
  Taguya
• 17:20
  Gardenia.
• 17:22
  And
• 17:22
  you
• 17:23
  had
• 17:24
  something
• 17:24
  that
• 17:25
  came
• 17:25
  to
• 17:25
  mind
• 17:26
  just
• 17:26
  before
• 17:27
  the
• 17:27
  break,
• 17:27
  Adam.
• 17:28
  Yeah,
• 17:28
  I
• 17:28
  was
• 17:28
  mentioning
• 17:29
  in
• 17:30
  Confucianism
• 17:30
  there
• 17:30
  is
• 17:31
  a
• 17:31
  sense
• 17:31
  of
• 17:31
  ecology.
• 17:32
  First
• 17:32
  of
• 17:32
  all,
• 17:34
  earlier
• 17:34
  Tigria
• 17:35
  you
• 17:35
  were
• 17:35
  talking
• 17:35
  about
• 17:36
  five
• 17:37
  people.
• 17:37
  And
• 17:38
  it's
• 17:38
  very
• 17:38
  interesting
• 17:38
  because
• 17:39
  in
• 17:39
  Confucius
• 17:39
  they
• 17:40
  have
• 17:40
  five
• 17:40
  relationships.
• 17:40
  Five
• 17:41
  relationships,
• 17:41
  yeah.
• 17:42
  Yeah.
• 17:43
  So
• 17:43
  we
• 17:43
  can
• 17:43
  get
• 17:43
  into
• 17:44
  a
• 17:44
  different
• 17:44
  time.
• 17:44
  We
• 17:45
  don't
• 17:45
  need
• 17:45
  to
• 17:45
  get
• 17:45
  into
• 17:45
  details.
• 17:45
  But
• 17:46
  I
• 17:46
  also
• 17:47
  coming
• 17:47
  up
• 17:48
  is
• 17:48
  you're
• 17:48
  talking
• 17:48
  about
• 17:48
  your
• 17:48
  enemy
• 17:49
  can
• 17:49
  actually
• 17:50
  help
• 17:50
  you
• 17:50
  grow.
• 17:51
  Anthony
• 17:52
  and
• 17:52
  I
• 17:52
  went
• 17:52
  through
• 17:52
  a
• 17:52
  huge
• 17:52
  upheaval
• 17:53
  because
• 17:53
  it
• 17:54
  felt
• 17:54
  very
• 17:54
  Project
• 17:54
  2025
• 17:55
  where
• 17:56
  our
• 17:56
  philosophy
• 17:57
  department
• 17:57
  was
• 17:57
  just
• 17:58
  obliterated
• 17:59
  out
• 17:59
  of
• 17:59
  the
• 17:59
  blue
• 18:00
  at
• 18:00
  Sonoma
• 18:00
  State
• 18:01
  for
• 18:01
  seemingly
• 18:01
  no
• 18:01
  reason.
• 18:03
  It
• 18:03
  was
• 18:03
  a
• 18:04
  net
• 18:04
  earner
• 18:05
  for
• 18:05
  the
• 18:05
  university
• 18:05
  and
• 18:05
  they
• 18:06
  used
• 18:06
  budget
• 18:06
  concerns
• 18:07
  to
• 18:07
  just
• 18:07
  blow
• 18:07
  us
• 18:07
  up
• 18:08
  in
• 18:08
  six,
• 18:08
  five
• 18:08
  other
• 18:09
  departments
• 18:09
  and
• 18:09
  the
• 18:09
  entire
• 18:09
  athletic
• 18:10
  department.
• 18:11
  So
• 18:11
  anyway,
• 18:12
  the
• 18:12
  point
• 18:13
  is
• 18:13
  that
• 18:13
  felt
• 18:13
  like
• 18:14
  Project
• 18:14
  2025
• 18:15
  kind
• 18:15
  of
• 18:16
  enemy
• 18:16
  energy.
• 18:17
  And
• 18:18
  I
• 18:19
  just
• 18:19
  want
• 18:19
  to
• 18:19
  say,
• 18:19
  like
• 18:19
  we've
• 18:20
  met
• 18:20
  so
• 18:20
  many
• 18:20
  amazing
• 18:21
  people.
• 18:21
  We're
• 18:21
  doing
• 18:22
  this
• 18:22
  podcast
• 18:22
  because
• 18:23
  of
• 18:23
  that.
• 18:23
  So
• 18:24
  this
• 18:24
  trickster
• 18:25
  enemy
• 18:25
  thing
• 18:25
  that
• 18:25
  happens
• 18:26
  that
• 18:26
  helps
• 18:26
  you
• 18:26
  grow,
• 18:26
  I
• 18:27
  want
• 18:27
  to
• 18:27
  point
• 18:27
  out,
• 18:29
  and
• 18:29
  the
• 18:29
  last
• 18:29
  thing
• 18:29
  was
• 18:29
  I
• 18:30
  just
• 18:30
  remembered
• 18:30
  the
• 18:30
  story
• 18:30
  from
• 18:31
  Confucianism
• 18:31
  where
• 18:31
  there,
• 18:32
  there's
• 18:32
  a
• 18:32
  sense
• 18:33
  of
• 18:33
  ecology.
• 18:33
  I
• 18:34
  think
• 18:34
  people
• 18:34
  think
• 18:34
  of
• 18:34
  Confucian
• 18:35
  often
• 18:35
  as
• 18:36
  very
• 18:37
  patriarchal,
• 18:38
  hierarchical.
• 18:39
  Do
• 18:39
  this
• 18:39
  do
• 18:39
  that
• 18:40
  and
• 18:40
  it's
• 18:41
  meant
• 18:41
  to
• 18:41
  be
• 18:42
  a
• 18:42
  relationship
• 18:42
  back
• 18:43
  and
• 18:43
  forth.
• 18:43
  A
• 18:43
  father
• 18:44
  should
• 18:44
  be
• 18:44
  a
• 18:44
  father,
• 18:44
  a
• 18:44
  son
• 18:45
  should
• 18:45
  be
• 18:45
  a
• 18:45
  son.
• 18:46
  Both
• 18:46
  a
• 18:46
  father
• 18:46
  should
• 18:47
  be
• 18:47
  very
• 18:47
  caring
• 18:47
  and
• 18:47
  loving.
• 18:48
  Anyway,
• 18:48
  point
• 18:49
  being,
• 18:49
  they
• 18:49
  also
• 18:49
  have
• 18:50
  a
• 18:50
  sense
• 18:50
  of,
• 18:50
  of
• 18:51
  human
• 18:51
  responsibility,
• 18:52
  including
• 18:53
  with
• 18:53
  the
• 18:53
  natural
• 18:53
  rule
• 18:54
  world,
• 18:54
  including
• 18:55
  with
• 18:55
  ecology.
• 18:56
  So
• 18:56
  he
• 18:56
  tells
• 18:56
  the
• 18:56
  story
• 18:56
  of
• 18:57
  how
• 18:57
  a
• 18:58
  fisherman
• 18:58
  should
• 18:59
  use
• 18:59
  a
• 18:59
  net
• 18:59
  with
• 19:00
  big
• 19:00
  holes,
• 19:01
  right.
• 19:02
  So
• 19:02
  that
• 19:03
  all
• 19:03
  the
• 19:03
  small
• 19:04
  fish
• 19:04
  can
• 19:04
  go
• 19:04
  out
• 19:05
  and
• 19:05
  you
• 19:05
  only
• 19:06
  catch
• 19:06
  the
• 19:06
  big
• 19:06
  fish.
• 19:06
  So
• 19:07
  the
• 19:07
  small
• 19:07
  fish
• 19:07
  can
• 19:08
  keep
• 19:09
  living
• 19:10
  and
• 19:10
  multiplying
• 19:11
  and
• 19:11
  thriving.
• 19:11
  And
• 19:12
  the
• 19:12
  old
• 19:12
  fish,
• 19:12
  they're
• 19:13
  probably
• 19:13
  closer
• 19:13
  to
• 19:13
  death
• 19:14
  anyway.
• 19:14
  So
• 19:14
  we,
• 19:15
  we
• 19:15
  working
• 19:15
  to
• 19:16
  kind
• 19:16
  of
• 19:16
  call
• 19:16
  them
• 19:17
  same
• 19:17
  thing
• 19:18
  when
• 19:18
  you
• 19:19
  do
• 19:19
  hunting
• 19:20
  for
• 19:20
  the,
• 19:20
  for
• 19:20
  the
• 19:21
  ruler.
• 19:21
  Same
• 19:21
  thing.
• 19:22
  Allow,
• 19:22
  allow
• 19:23
  the
• 19:23
  smaller,
• 19:24
  allow
• 19:25
  the
• 19:25
  smaller
• 19:25
  creatures
• 19:26
  to
• 19:26
  go
• 19:26
  away
• 19:26
  and
• 19:27
  just
• 19:27
  only
• 19:27
  hunt
• 19:27
  the
• 19:27
  bigger
• 19:28
  creatures.
• 19:28
  So
• 19:29
  I
• 19:29
  just
• 19:29
  remembered
• 19:29
  that
• 19:29
  story
• 19:30
  and
• 19:30
  wanted
• 19:31
  to
• 19:31
  point
• 19:31
  that
• 19:31
  out.
• 19:31
  Since
• 19:31
  it
• 19:32
  was
• 19:32
  a
• 19:32
  loose
• 19:32
  thread.
• 19:34
  I
• 19:34
  want
• 19:34
  to
• 19:34
  ask
• 19:35
  you
• 19:36
  the
• 19:36
  one
• 19:37
  question.
• 19:37
  Much
• 19:38
  earlier
• 19:38
  in
• 19:38
  the
• 19:39
  conversation,
• 19:39
  we
• 19:39
  were
• 19:39
  talking
• 19:40
  about
• 19:40
  some
• 19:40
  of
• 19:41
  the
• 19:41
  work
• 19:41
  that
• 19:41
  you
• 19:41
  do
• 19:41
  with
• 19:42
  people
• 19:42
  to
• 19:42
  help
• 19:42
  them
• 19:43
  connect.
• 19:43
  And
• 19:44
  to
• 19:44
  me
• 19:44
  it
• 19:44
  felt
• 19:44
  like
• 19:45
  there's
• 19:45
  a
• 19:45
  sense
• 19:45
  that
• 19:46
  you
• 19:46
  have
• 19:46
  to
• 19:46
  kind
• 19:46
  of
• 19:46
  deconstruct
• 19:47
  your
• 19:47
  own
• 19:48
  identity.
• 19:49
  You
• 19:49
  have
• 19:49
  to
• 19:49
  kind
• 19:49
  of
• 19:49
  empty
• 19:50
  out
• 19:50
  your
• 19:50
  preconceptions
• 19:51
  of
• 19:51
  yourself.
• 19:51
  Is
• 19:52
  that
• 19:52
  true?
• 19:53
  Yeah,
• 19:53
  that's
• 19:54
  absolutely
• 19:55
  true.
• 19:55
  I
• 19:55
  mean,
• 19:55
  one
• 19:56
  of.
• 19:56
  So
• 19:56
  I
• 19:57
  work
• 19:57
  a
• 19:57
  lot
• 19:57
  with
• 19:57
  people,
• 19:58
  with
• 19:58
  conditioning
• 19:59
  with
• 19:59
  again,
• 20:01
  whether
• 20:01
  you're
• 20:01
  multi,
• 20:01
  passionate,
• 20:02
  neurodivergent,
• 20:03
  helping
• 20:03
  you
• 20:04
  really
• 20:04
  understand.
• 20:04
  I
• 20:04
  always
• 20:05
  say
• 20:05
  that
• 20:05
  you
• 20:05
  want
• 20:06
  to
• 20:06
  understand
• 20:06
  within
• 20:06
  your
• 20:07
  own
• 20:07
  bubble
• 20:07
  how
• 20:08
  your
• 20:08
  mind
• 20:08
  works
• 20:09
  so
• 20:09
  that
• 20:09
  you
• 20:09
  can
• 20:10
  feel
• 20:10
  super
• 20:11
  comfortable
• 20:11
  and
• 20:12
  confident
• 20:12
  about
• 20:12
  that.
• 20:13
  And
• 20:13
  then
• 20:14
  we
• 20:14
  can
• 20:14
  work
• 20:14
  on
• 20:14
  how
• 20:15
  to
• 20:15
  translate
• 20:15
  that
• 20:15
  out
• 20:16
  to
• 20:16
  an
• 20:16
  external
• 20:17
  need,
• 20:18
  for
• 20:18
  example.
• 20:18
  Right.
• 20:19
  I
• 20:19
  might
• 20:20
  work
• 20:20
  in
• 20:20
  one
• 20:20
  way
• 20:21
  and
• 20:21
  then
• 20:21
  I
• 20:22
  might
• 20:22
  need
• 20:22
  to
• 20:22
  give
• 20:22
  my
• 20:22
  boss
• 20:23
  a
• 20:23
  deliverable
• 20:24
  that
• 20:24
  works
• 20:24
  in
• 20:24
  a
• 20:25
  certain
• 20:25
  way.
• 20:25
  And
• 20:26
  so
• 20:26
  the
• 20:26
  packaging,
• 20:27
  it
• 20:27
  shouldn't
• 20:28
  be
• 20:28
  confused
• 20:29
  with
• 20:29
  how
• 20:30
  I
• 20:30
  process
• 20:30
  and
• 20:31
  how
• 20:31
  I
• 20:31
  deal
• 20:31
  with
• 20:31
  it
• 20:31
  and
• 20:32
  how
• 20:32
  I
• 20:32
  get
• 20:32
  my
• 20:32
  work
• 20:32
  done.
• 20:33
  So
• 20:34
  a
• 20:34
  lot
• 20:34
  of
• 20:34
  my
• 20:35
  work
• 20:35
  is
• 20:35
  about
• 20:36
  deconstructing
• 20:37
  and
• 20:38
  I
• 20:38
  would
• 20:38
  say
• 20:39
  even
• 20:39
  more
• 20:39
  than
• 20:39
  anything,
• 20:40
  being
• 20:40
  honest
• 20:40
  with
• 20:41
  yourself,
• 20:41
  giving
• 20:41
  yourself
• 20:42
  permission
• 20:43
  to,
• 20:43
  to
• 20:43
  be
• 20:44
  able
• 20:44
  to
• 20:44
  see
• 20:45
  who
• 20:45
  you
• 20:45
  truly
• 20:46
  are
• 20:47
  and
• 20:47
  without
• 20:48
  any
• 20:48
  kind
• 20:48
  of
• 20:48
  judgment.
• 20:49
  So
• 20:49
  my
• 20:49
  kind
• 20:50
  of,
• 20:50
  you
• 20:50
  might
• 20:50
  say,
• 20:50
  superpower
• 20:51
  is
• 20:52
  to
• 20:52
  be
• 20:52
  able
• 20:53
  to
• 20:53
  create
• 20:53
  a
• 20:53
  sacred
• 20:54
  space.
• 20:54
  And
• 20:55
  I
• 20:55
  am,
• 20:55
  I'm
• 20:55
  a
• 20:56
  bridge.
• 20:56
  I
• 20:56
  help
• 20:56
  people
• 20:57
  kind
• 20:57
  of
• 20:57
  get
• 20:57
  from
• 20:57
  where
• 20:57
  they
• 20:58
  are
• 20:58
  to
• 20:58
  where
• 20:58
  they
• 20:59
  want
• 20:59
  to
• 20:59
  be.
• 20:59
  So
• 21:00
  by
• 21:00
  creating
• 21:00
  a
• 21:00
  super,
• 21:01
  super
• 21:01
  safe
• 21:02
  space
• 21:02
  where
• 21:02
  you
• 21:02
  could
• 21:03
  literally
• 21:04
  look
• 21:04
  at
• 21:04
  anything
• 21:05
  without
• 21:06
  feeling
• 21:07
  like
• 21:07
  there's
• 21:07
  something
• 21:07
  wrong.
• 21:08
  Because
• 21:08
  I
• 21:08
  fundamentally
• 21:09
  believe
• 21:09
  that
• 21:10
  your
• 21:10
  ecosystem
• 21:11
  is,
• 21:11
  is
• 21:11
  natural.
• 21:12
  Right.
• 21:13
  The
• 21:13
  way
• 21:13
  your
• 21:13
  mind
• 21:14
  works,
• 21:15
  for
• 21:15
  example,
• 21:16
  many
• 21:16
  people
• 21:17
  try
• 21:17
  to
• 21:17
  have
• 21:17
  one
• 21:18
  system
• 21:19
  where
• 21:19
  they're
• 21:19
  disciplined
• 21:20
  for,
• 21:20
  I
• 21:20
  don't
• 21:20
  know,
• 21:21
  a
• 21:21
  to
• 21:21
  do
• 21:21
  list
• 21:21
  or
• 21:21
  a
• 21:22
  task
• 21:22
  list.
• 21:23
  But
• 21:23
  the
• 21:23
  truth
• 21:23
  of
• 21:24
  the
• 21:24
  matter
• 21:24
  is
• 21:24
  that
• 21:24
  we
• 21:24
  translate
• 21:25
  things
• 21:25
  differently.
• 21:26
  Like
• 21:26
  creative
• 21:27
  tasks
• 21:28
  I
• 21:28
  might
• 21:28
  need
• 21:28
  to
• 21:29
  write
• 21:29
  down
• 21:30
  technical
• 21:31
  tasks
• 21:31
  I
• 21:31
  might
• 21:32
  have
• 21:32
  in
• 21:32
  a
• 21:32
  calendaring
• 21:33
  app.
• 21:34
  Tasks
• 21:35
  that
• 21:35
  instead
• 21:35
  feel
• 21:36
  more
• 21:36
  relational
• 21:38
  might
• 21:38
  be
• 21:38
  something
• 21:38
  that
• 21:38
  I
• 21:38
  put
• 21:39
  post
• 21:39
  it
• 21:39
  notes
• 21:39
  around
• 21:39
  my
• 21:40
  house
• 21:40
  or
• 21:40
  my
• 21:40
  friends
• 21:41
  have
• 21:41
  to
• 21:41
  call
• 21:41
  me.
• 21:42
  Like,
• 21:42
  when
• 21:42
  I
• 21:43
  start
• 21:43
  to
• 21:43
  understand
• 21:44
  how
• 21:44
  my
• 21:44
  own
• 21:45
  nature
• 21:46
  works,
• 21:46
  I
• 21:46
  can
• 21:47
  then
• 21:47
  create
• 21:47
  those
• 21:47
  relational
• 21:48
  fields
• 21:48
  that
• 21:48
  I
• 21:49
  was
• 21:49
  talking
• 21:49
  about.
• 21:49
  Right.
• 21:49
  The
• 21:50
  I.
• 21:50
  I
• 21:50
  basically
• 21:51
  cultivate
• 21:51
  your
• 21:52
  inner
• 21:52
  ecology.
• 21:53
  And
• 21:53
  to
• 21:53
  cultivate
• 21:54
  your
• 21:54
  inner
• 21:54
  ecology,
• 21:55
  you've
• 21:55
  got
• 21:56
  to
• 21:56
  remember
• 21:56
  that
• 21:56
  when
• 21:57
  I
• 21:57
  go
• 21:57
  into,
• 21:57
  I
• 21:58
  don't
• 21:58
  know,
• 21:58
  a
• 21:58
  temperate
• 21:58
  forest
• 21:59
  or
• 21:59
  when
• 21:59
  I
• 22:00
  go
• 22:00
  into,
• 22:01
  you
• 22:01
  know,
• 22:02
  any
• 22:02
  kind
• 22:02
  of
• 22:03
  savannah
• 22:03
  or
• 22:04
  any
• 22:04
  other
• 22:04
  thing,
• 22:05
  there
• 22:05
  are
• 22:05
  a
• 22:06
  series
• 22:06
  of
• 22:07
  ways
• 22:07
  that
• 22:07
  all
• 22:08
  of
• 22:08
  these
• 22:08
  plants
• 22:09
  and
• 22:09
  animals
• 22:10
  work
• 22:10
  together.
• 22:10
  But
• 22:11
  there's
• 22:11
  also
• 22:12
  a
• 22:12
  lot,
• 22:13
  a
• 22:13
  lot
• 22:13
  of
• 22:13
  innovation
• 22:14
  that's
• 22:14
  constantly
• 22:15
  happening.
• 22:15
  Right.
• 22:16
  There's
• 22:16
  evolution
• 22:17
  is
• 22:17
  happening
• 22:17
  right
• 22:17
  before
• 22:18
  your
• 22:18
  eyes.
• 22:19
  And
• 22:19
  so
• 22:19
  a
• 22:19
  plant
• 22:20
  that
• 22:20
  might
• 22:20
  be
• 22:21
  kind
• 22:21
  of
• 22:22
  taken
• 22:22
  out,
• 22:22
  like
• 22:23
  most
• 22:23
  of
• 22:23
  the
• 22:23
  plants
• 22:23
  in
• 22:24
  our
• 22:24
  homes
• 22:24
  were
• 22:24
  actually
• 22:25
  originally
• 22:25
  tropical
• 22:26
  plants.
• 22:26
  Many,
• 22:27
  many
• 22:27
  plants
• 22:28
  that
• 22:28
  live
• 22:28
  inside
• 22:28
  of
• 22:28
  homes
• 22:29
  with
• 22:29
  people.
• 22:29
  They've
• 22:30
  had
• 22:30
  to
• 22:30
  adapt
• 22:31
  to
• 22:31
  cold
• 22:31
  weather.
• 22:32
  They've
• 22:32
  had
• 22:32
  to
• 22:32
  adapt
• 22:33
  to
• 22:33
  a
• 22:33
  whole
• 22:33
  series
• 22:33
  of
• 22:33
  things.
• 22:34
  But
• 22:34
  that
• 22:35
  doesn't
• 22:35
  mean
• 22:35
  that
• 22:35
  they're
• 22:35
  not
• 22:36
  fundamentally
• 22:36
  that
• 22:36
  same
• 22:37
  plant.
• 22:37
  I
• 22:37
  mean,
• 22:37
  there's
• 22:37
  two
• 22:38
  aloe
• 22:38
  plants
• 22:39
  sitting
• 22:39
  here,
• 22:39
  those
• 22:39
  galactic
• 22:40
  twins
• 22:40
  that
• 22:40
  I
• 22:41
  was
• 22:41
  talking
• 22:41
  about,
• 22:42
  and
• 22:42
  they
• 22:42
  are
• 22:43
  fundamentally
• 22:43
  aloes.
• 22:44
  Right.
• 22:45
  So
• 22:45
  they're
• 22:45
  not
• 22:45
  going
• 22:46
  to
• 22:46
  start,
• 22:46
  you
• 22:46
  know,
• 22:46
  doing
• 22:47
  something
• 22:47
  completely
• 22:48
  different.
• 22:48
  And
• 22:49
  at
• 22:49
  the
• 22:49
  same
• 22:49
  time,
• 22:49
  they
• 22:49
  do
• 22:50
  adapt
• 22:50
  to
• 22:51
  be
• 22:51
  able
• 22:51
  to
• 22:51
  live
• 22:51
  in
• 22:51
  a
• 22:52
  place
• 22:52
  where
• 22:52
  it's
• 22:53
  cold
• 22:53
  outside,
• 22:53
  it
• 22:54
  gets
• 22:54
  cold
• 22:54
  here
• 22:54
  at
• 22:54
  night,
• 22:55
  and
• 22:55
  all
• 22:55
  these
• 22:55
  different
• 22:55
  pieces.
• 22:56
  So
• 22:56
  my
• 22:57
  work
• 22:57
  really
• 22:57
  is
• 22:57
  about
• 22:58
  helping
• 22:58
  you
• 22:59
  see
• 22:59
  all
• 23:00
  of
• 23:00
  these
• 23:00
  little
• 23:00
  quirks,
• 23:01
  not
• 23:01
  as
• 23:02
  things.
• 23:02
  I
• 23:02
  don't
• 23:02
  believe
• 23:02
  you
• 23:03
  should
• 23:03
  eliminate
• 23:03
  anything.
• 23:04
  One
• 23:04
  of
• 23:04
  the
• 23:04
  things
• 23:04
  the
• 23:04
  plants
• 23:05
  taught
• 23:05
  me
• 23:05
  very
• 23:05
  early
• 23:06
  on
• 23:06
  was
• 23:07
  all
• 23:07
  of
• 23:07
  your
• 23:07
  skills
• 23:08
  are
• 23:08
  useful
• 23:10
  as
• 23:10
  long
• 23:10
  as
• 23:10
  you
• 23:11
  learn
• 23:12
  how
• 23:12
  to
• 23:12
  use
• 23:12
  them
• 23:12
  in
• 23:13
  their
• 23:13
  constructive
• 23:13
  powers
• 23:14
  and
• 23:14
  in
• 23:14
  their
• 23:14
  destructive
• 23:15
  power.
• 23:16
  A
• 23:16
  chainsaw
• 23:17
  is
• 23:17
  something
• 23:17
  that
• 23:18
  can
• 23:18
  be
• 23:18
  scary
• 23:19
  and
• 23:19
  dangerous
• 23:20
  and
• 23:20
  terrible.
• 23:20
  It
• 23:21
  can
• 23:21
  also
• 23:21
  be
• 23:21
  extremely
• 23:22
  useful
• 23:23
  and
• 23:23
  something
• 23:23
  that
• 23:23
  is
• 23:24
  necessary
• 23:24
  in
• 23:25
  certain
• 23:25
  situations.
• 23:26
  There's
• 23:26
  nothing
• 23:27
  wrong
• 23:27
  with
• 23:27
  the
• 23:27
  chainsaw.
• 23:28
  It's
• 23:28
  all
• 23:28
  in
• 23:29
  how
• 23:29
  you
• 23:29
  use
• 23:29
  it.
• 23:30
  There's
• 23:30
  nothing
• 23:30
  wrong
• 23:31
  with
• 23:31
  the
• 23:31
  way
• 23:31
  that
• 23:32
  you
• 23:32
  do
• 23:32
  things
• 23:32
  or
• 23:33
  your
• 23:33
  skills
• 23:34
  or
• 23:34
  all
• 23:35
  of
• 23:35
  those
• 23:35
  negative
• 23:36
  traits
• 23:36
  that
• 23:36
  people
• 23:37
  say
• 23:37
  you
• 23:37
  might
• 23:37
  have.
• 23:38
  It's
• 23:38
  all
• 23:38
  in
• 23:39
  how
• 23:39
  you
• 23:39
  use
• 23:39
  them.
• 23:40
  Yeah.
• 23:41
  You
• 23:42
  know,
• 23:42
  we're
• 23:42
  coming
• 23:43
  up
• 23:43
  to
• 23:43
  the
• 23:43
  end
• 23:44
  of
• 23:44
  the
• 23:44
  interview
• 23:44
  here,
• 23:44
  and
• 23:45
  I
• 23:45
  want
• 23:46
  to
• 23:47
  touch
• 23:48
  on
• 23:48
  something
• 23:48
  that
• 23:48
  we
• 23:49
  talked
• 23:49
  about
• 23:49
  before
• 23:50
  we
• 23:50
  began.
• 23:51
  I'm
• 23:51
  a
• 23:51
  piano
• 23:52
  technician
• 23:52
  and
• 23:56
  you
• 23:56
  have
• 23:59
  done
• 23:59
  something
• 23:59
  I
• 23:59
  really
• 24:00
  want
• 24:00
  to
• 24:00
  listen
• 24:00
  to
• 24:01
  more
• 24:01
  of.
• 24:01
  And
• 24:02
  it's
• 24:03
  created
• 24:04
  music
• 24:04
  with
• 24:05
  plant
• 24:06
  musicians.
• 24:07
  Talk
• 24:08
  to
• 24:08
  us
• 24:08
  a
• 24:08
  little
• 24:08
  bit
• 24:08
  about
• 24:09
  that.
• 24:09
  And
• 24:09
  would
• 24:09
  you
• 24:10
  play
• 24:11
  one
• 24:11
  of
• 24:11
  the
• 24:11
  pieces
• 24:11
  we
• 24:12
  talked
• 24:12
  about,
• 24:12
  please?
• 24:13
  Absolutely.
• 24:14
  So
• 24:14
  this
• 24:15
  is.
• 24:15
  This
• 24:15
  is
• 24:16
  one
• 24:16
  of
• 24:16
  my
• 24:16
  big
• 24:16
  passions
• 24:17
  because
• 24:17
  it
• 24:17
  was
• 24:17
  what
• 24:17
  opened
• 24:18
  the
• 24:18
  door
• 24:19
  for
• 24:19
  my
• 24:19
  relationship
• 24:20
  with
• 24:20
  plants.
• 24:21
  So
• 24:21
  I'm
• 24:21
  a
• 24:21
  musician
• 24:22
  also
• 24:22
  by
• 24:22
  nature.
• 24:23
  I
• 24:23
  have
• 24:23
  a
• 24:23
  degree
• 24:23
  in
• 24:24
  music
• 24:24
  engineering.
• 24:24
  And
• 24:25
  so
• 24:25
  music
• 24:25
  and
• 24:26
  engineering,
• 24:26
  that
• 24:26
  right
• 24:27
  brain,
• 24:27
  left
• 24:27
  brain
• 24:27
  thing
• 24:27
  is
• 24:28
  my
• 24:28
  thing.
• 24:28
  And
• 24:29
  the
• 24:29
  first
• 24:29
  time
• 24:29
  I
• 24:29
  ever
• 24:29
  heard
• 24:30
  plant
• 24:30
  music,
• 24:31
  which
• 24:31
  is
• 24:31
  basically
• 24:33
  kind
• 24:33
  of
• 24:33
  the.
• 24:34
  Similar
• 24:34
  to
• 24:34
  the
• 24:34
  fact
• 24:34
  that
• 24:35
  we
• 24:35
  all
• 24:35
  have
• 24:35
  instruments
• 24:36
  like
• 24:36
  guitars
• 24:36
  and
• 24:37
  pianos
• 24:37
  and
• 24:37
  such,
• 24:38
  there's
• 24:38
  this
• 24:39
  instrument
• 24:39
  called
• 24:40
  the
• 24:40
  music
• 24:40
  of
• 24:40
  the
• 24:41
  plants
• 24:41
  device,
• 24:42
  which
• 24:42
  is
• 24:42
  a
• 24:42
  musical
• 24:43
  instrument
• 24:43
  specifically
• 24:44
  for
• 24:44
  plants.
• 24:44
  And
• 24:45
  the
• 24:45
  first
• 24:45
  time
• 24:45
  I
• 24:45
  ever
• 24:45
  heard
• 24:45
  a
• 24:46
  plant
• 24:46
  play,
• 24:47
  all
• 24:47
  of
• 24:47
  a
• 24:47
  sudden
• 24:48
  it
• 24:48
  was
• 24:48
  like
• 24:48
  a
• 24:48
  plant
• 24:49
  reawakening.
• 24:49
  I
• 24:51
  was
• 24:51
  looking
• 24:51
  at
• 24:52
  the
• 24:52
  plant,
• 24:52
  listening
• 24:53
  to
• 24:53
  the
• 24:53
  music,
• 24:53
  and
• 24:53
  I
• 24:53
  was
• 24:54
  like,
• 24:54
  are
• 24:54
  you
• 24:54
  talking
• 24:55
  to
• 24:55
  me?
• 24:56
  What
• 24:57
  is
• 24:57
  going
• 24:57
  on
• 24:57
  here?
• 24:58
  All
• 24:58
  of
• 24:58
  a
• 24:58
  sudden,
• 24:59
  it
• 24:59
  was
• 24:59
  like
• 24:59
  an
• 24:59
  understanding
• 25:00
  that
• 25:00
  not
• 25:00
  only
• 25:01
  is
• 25:01
  a
• 25:01
  plant
• 25:02
  alive
• 25:03
  in
• 25:03
  a
• 25:03
  biological
• 25:04
  sense,
• 25:04
  but
• 25:04
  aware
• 25:05
  and
• 25:05
  conscious
• 25:06
  and
• 25:07
  able
• 25:07
  to
• 25:07
  make
• 25:08
  decisions.
• 25:08
  And
• 25:08
  then
• 25:08
  later,
• 25:09
  that
• 25:09
  got
• 25:09
  backed
• 25:10
  by
• 25:10
  science.
• 25:10
  And,
• 25:11
  you
• 25:11
  know,
• 25:11
  I
• 25:11
  got
• 25:11
  a
• 25:12
  master's
• 25:12
  degree
• 25:12
  in
• 25:13
  vegetable
• 25:13
  future,
• 25:14
  which
• 25:14
  is
• 25:14
  plants
• 25:15
  social
• 25:15
  innovation
• 25:15
  and
• 25:15
  design.
• 25:16
  So
• 25:16
  it's
• 25:16
  like
• 25:17
  I
• 25:17
  just
• 25:17
  took
• 25:17
  it
• 25:18
  to
• 25:18
  the
• 25:18
  next
• 25:18
  level.
• 25:19
  But
• 25:20
  plant
• 25:20
  music
• 25:21
  really
• 25:21
  is
• 25:21
  a
• 25:22
  way
• 25:22
  for.
• 25:22
  It's
• 25:23
  an
• 25:23
  interface,
• 25:23
  because
• 25:24
  we
• 25:24
  think
• 25:24
  of
• 25:25
  language
• 25:25
  as
• 25:25
  a
• 25:26
  music,
• 25:26
  as
• 25:27
  we
• 25:27
  think
• 25:27
  of
• 25:27
  music
• 25:28
  as
• 25:28
  a
• 25:28
  language,
• 25:28
  but
• 25:28
  it's
• 25:29
  actually
• 25:29
  the
• 25:29
  opposite.
• 25:30
  It
• 25:30
  is
• 25:30
  language
• 25:31
  that
• 25:31
  is
• 25:31
  a
• 25:31
  musicality.
• 25:32
  Music
• 25:32
  comes
• 25:33
  first.
• 25:33
  It
• 25:34
  is
• 25:34
  the
• 25:34
  foundation
• 25:34
  of
• 25:35
  everything.
• 25:35
  Rhythm
• 25:36
  and
• 25:36
  tone,
• 25:37
  as
• 25:37
  you
• 25:37
  know,
• 25:37
  and
• 25:38
  all
• 25:38
  the
• 25:39
  different
• 25:39
  powers
• 25:39
  that
• 25:39
  come
• 25:40
  from
• 25:40
  that
• 25:40
  vibration,
• 25:41
  how
• 25:41
  it
• 25:41
  affects
• 25:42
  our
• 25:42
  body,
• 25:42
  how
• 25:43
  we
• 25:43
  think,
• 25:44
  the
• 25:45
  emotionality
• 25:46
  that
• 25:46
  comes
• 25:46
  through
• 25:47
  the
• 25:47
  notes
• 25:47
  of
• 25:47
  music,
• 25:48
  all
• 25:48
  these
• 25:48
  different
• 25:48
  aspects.
• 25:49
  So
• 25:50
  when
• 25:50
  a
• 25:50
  plant
• 25:50
  is
• 25:50
  able
• 25:51
  to,
• 25:51
  you
• 25:52
  know,
• 25:52
  create
• 25:52
  music,
• 25:53
  it's
• 25:53
  almost
• 25:54
  like
• 25:54
  all
• 25:55
  the
• 25:55
  language
• 25:55
  barriers
• 25:56
  break
• 25:56
  down.
• 25:57
  Because
• 25:57
  I
• 25:58
  bypass
• 25:58
  language
• 25:59
  and
• 25:59
  it
• 25:59
  goes
• 25:59
  straight
• 26:00
  to
• 26:00
  the
• 26:00
  source.
• 26:01
  Absolutely.
• 26:02
  Can
• 26:02
  you.
• 26:03
  Could
• 26:03
  you
• 26:03
  say
• 26:03
  a
• 26:04
  little
• 26:04
  tiny
• 26:04
  bit
• 26:04
  more
• 26:04
  about
• 26:05
  the
• 26:05
  interface
• 26:05
  first
• 26:06
  before
• 26:06
  explain
• 26:07
  to
• 26:07
  us?
• 26:07
  Of
• 26:08
  course.
• 26:08
  So
• 26:08
  the
• 26:08
  music
• 26:08
  of
• 26:09
  the
• 26:09
  plants
• 26:09
  is
• 26:09
  actually
• 26:10
  very
• 26:10
  simple.
• 26:10
  It's
• 26:10
  a
• 26:11
  biofeedback
• 26:11
  device.
• 26:12
  So
• 26:13
  what
• 26:13
  we
• 26:13
  did
• 26:13
  was
• 26:14
  we
• 26:15
  created
• 26:15
  using
• 26:16
  the
• 26:16
  electrical
• 26:16
  impulses.
• 26:17
  So
• 26:17
  similar
• 26:17
  to
• 26:18
  the
• 26:18
  way
• 26:18
  that
• 26:18
  we
• 26:19
  have
• 26:19
  electrical
• 26:19
  impulses
• 26:20
  going
• 26:20
  through,
• 26:21
  plants
• 26:21
  have
• 26:21
  something
• 26:21
  called
• 26:22
  action
• 26:22
  potentials
• 26:23
  that
• 26:23
  are
• 26:23
  electrical
• 26:24
  signals
• 26:24
  that
• 26:25
  are
• 26:25
  used.
• 26:26
  Plants
• 26:26
  have
• 26:26
  very
• 26:26
  sophisticated
• 26:27
  senses
• 26:28
  beyond
• 26:28
  our
• 26:29
  five.
• 26:30
  They
• 26:30
  have
• 26:30
  the
• 26:30
  same
• 26:30
  five,
• 26:31
  but
• 26:31
  also
• 26:32
  about
• 26:32
  15
• 26:33
  others.
• 26:33
  And
• 26:33
  one
• 26:34
  of
• 26:34
  them
• 26:34
  is
• 26:34
  connected
• 26:35
  to
• 26:35
  their
• 26:35
  electrical
• 26:36
  responses.
• 26:36
  So
• 26:37
  it's
• 26:37
  much
• 26:37
  more
• 26:37
  sophisticated.
• 26:39
  We
• 26:39
  discovered
• 26:39
  that
• 26:40
  if
• 26:40
  you
• 26:40
  created
• 26:41
  two
• 26:41
  probes,
• 26:41
  one
• 26:42
  that
• 26:42
  goes
• 26:42
  into
• 26:42
  the
• 26:42
  soil
• 26:43
  and
• 26:43
  one
• 26:44
  that
• 26:44
  goes
• 26:44
  to
• 26:44
  the
• 26:44
  leaf.
• 26:45
  You
• 26:45
  could
• 26:46
  measure
• 26:46
  these
• 26:47
  electrical
• 26:47
  impulses,
• 26:48
  the
• 26:48
  impedance
• 26:49
  between
• 26:49
  the
• 26:50
  two,
• 26:51
  and
• 26:51
  then
• 26:52
  we
• 26:52
  could
• 26:52
  then
• 26:53
  map
• 26:53
  those
• 26:53
  onto
• 26:54
  notes
• 26:54
  of
• 26:54
  music.
• 26:55
  Now
• 26:55
  we
• 26:55
  thought
• 26:56
  we
• 26:56
  were
• 26:56
  going
• 26:56
  to
• 26:56
  be
• 26:57
  listening
• 26:57
  to
• 26:57
  the
• 26:57
  plants,
• 26:58
  like
• 26:58
  kind
• 26:58
  of
• 26:58
  a
• 26:59
  one
• 26:59
  way
• 26:59
  conversation.
• 27:00
  But
• 27:00
  what
• 27:00
  ended
• 27:00
  up
• 27:01
  happening
• 27:01
  over
• 27:01
  the
• 27:01
  years,
• 27:02
  we
• 27:02
  started
• 27:02
  this
• 27:02
  project
• 27:03
  in
• 27:03
  the
• 27:03
  late
• 27:03
  1970s
• 27:04
  here
• 27:04
  in
• 27:04
  Diamond
• 27:05
  Hur
• 27:05
  and
• 27:05
  has
• 27:05
  been
• 27:05
  developing
• 27:06
  ever
• 27:06
  since,
• 27:07
  was
• 27:07
  that
• 27:07
  we
• 27:08
  realized
• 27:08
  that
• 27:08
  over
• 27:08
  time
• 27:09
  the
• 27:09
  plants
• 27:10
  would
• 27:10
  change
• 27:10
  their
• 27:11
  music
• 27:11
  based
• 27:11
  on
• 27:11
  who
• 27:11
  was
• 27:12
  around
• 27:12
  and
• 27:13
  what
• 27:13
  was
• 27:13
  happening.
• 27:14
  And
• 27:14
  all
• 27:14
  of
• 27:14
  a
• 27:14
  sudden
• 27:15
  we
• 27:15
  started
• 27:15
  to
• 27:15
  realize,
• 27:15
  oh
• 27:16
  my
• 27:16
  goodness,
• 27:16
  the
• 27:16
  plant
• 27:16
  is
• 27:17
  actually
• 27:17
  hearing.
• 27:18
  This
• 27:18
  is
• 27:18
  before
• 27:19
  plant
• 27:19
  neurobiology.
• 27:21
  Plant
• 27:21
  neurobiology
• 27:22
  starts
• 27:22
  as
• 27:22
  a
• 27:22
  science
• 27:23
  in
• 27:23
  around
• 27:23
  2006.
• 27:25
  We
• 27:25
  were
• 27:25
  doing
• 27:25
  this
• 27:25
  in
• 27:25
  the
• 27:26
  1980s
• 27:27
  where,
• 27:27
  you
• 27:27
  know,
• 27:27
  all
• 27:28
  of
• 27:28
  a
• 27:28
  sudden
• 27:28
  you're
• 27:28
  realizing,
• 27:29
  oh
• 27:29
  my
• 27:29
  goodness,
• 27:29
  the
• 27:30
  plants
• 27:30
  are
• 27:30
  aware,
• 27:31
  they
• 27:31
  know
• 27:31
  and
• 27:32
  that
• 27:32
  they're
• 27:32
  able
• 27:32
  to
• 27:32
  modulate
• 27:33
  this
• 27:34
  sound.
• 27:34
  So
• 27:35
  the
• 27:35
  device
• 27:35
  is
• 27:36
  very,
• 27:36
  very
• 27:36
  simple
• 27:37
  in
• 27:37
  that
• 27:37
  what
• 27:38
  it,
• 27:38
  what
• 27:38
  it
• 27:38
  tries
• 27:39
  to
• 27:39
  do.
• 27:39
  And
• 27:39
  probably
• 27:39
  the
• 27:40
  difference
• 27:40
  because
• 27:40
  there's
• 27:40
  some
• 27:40
  other
• 27:41
  devices
• 27:41
  that
• 27:41
  exist
• 27:42
  out
• 27:42
  there
• 27:42
  now,
• 27:42
  is
• 27:42
  that
• 27:43
  because
• 27:43
  we're
• 27:44
  a
• 27:44
  community
• 27:45
  where
• 27:45
  part
• 27:46
  of
• 27:46
  our
• 27:46
  mission
• 27:46
  is
• 27:46
  this
• 27:47
  reunification
• 27:47
  with
• 27:48
  the
• 27:48
  plant
• 27:48
  world,
• 27:48
  this
• 27:49
  deep
• 27:49
  connection,
• 27:50
  the
• 27:51
  device
• 27:51
  itself,
• 27:52
  especially
• 27:52
  the
• 27:52
  original
• 27:53
  ones,
• 27:53
  were
• 27:53
  co
• 27:54
  created
• 27:54
  with
• 27:54
  plants.
• 27:55
  In
• 27:55
  other
• 27:55
  words,
• 27:55
  the
• 27:55
  person
• 27:56
  sat
• 27:56
  with
• 27:56
  a
• 27:56
  plant
• 27:57
  and
• 27:57
  was
• 27:57
  just
• 27:58
  like,
• 27:58
  you
• 27:58
  know,
• 27:59
  playing
• 27:59
  around
• 28:00
  with
• 28:00
  this
• 28:00
  algorithm,
• 28:00
  trying
• 28:01
  to
• 28:01
  get
• 28:01
  it
• 28:01
  to
• 28:01
  work
• 28:01
  and
• 28:02
  like
• 28:02
  kind
• 28:02
  of
• 28:03
  looking
• 28:03
  at
• 28:03
  the
• 28:03
  plant
• 28:03
  going,
• 28:04
  help
• 28:04
  guide
• 28:04
  me
• 28:05
  through
• 28:05
  this.
• 28:05
  Right.
• 28:06
  So
• 28:06
  we
• 28:07
  really
• 28:07
  try
• 28:08
  hard
• 28:09
  not
• 28:09
  to
• 28:09
  impose
• 28:10
  a
• 28:11
  human
• 28:11
  melody.
• 28:12
  I
• 28:12
  mean,
• 28:12
  there's
• 28:13
  some
• 28:13
  limitations,
• 28:13
  of
• 28:13
  course.
• 28:14
  Just
• 28:14
  like
• 28:14
  a
• 28:14
  guitar
• 28:15
  has
• 28:15
  frets
• 28:15
  that
• 28:15
  have,
• 28:16
  you
• 28:16
  know,
• 28:16
  certain
• 28:16
  octaves
• 28:17
  and
• 28:17
  certain
• 28:18
  notes,
• 28:18
  it
• 28:19
  has
• 28:19
  to
• 28:19
  have
• 28:19
  certain
• 28:20
  parameters
• 28:21
  to
• 28:21
  a
• 28:21
  certain,
• 28:21
  you
• 28:21
  know,
• 28:22
  just
• 28:22
  like
• 28:22
  you
• 28:22
  would
• 28:22
  expect
• 28:23
  any
• 28:23
  musical
• 28:23
  instrument
• 28:24
  to.
• 28:24
  But
• 28:25
  we
• 28:25
  try
• 28:25
  very
• 28:26
  hard
• 28:26
  to
• 28:26
  give
• 28:28
  maximum
• 28:28
  liberty.
• 28:29
  And
• 28:29
  that's
• 28:29
  the
• 28:30
  reason
• 28:30
  why
• 28:30
  especially
• 28:31
  the
• 28:31
  bamboo
• 28:32
  device
• 28:32
  has
• 28:32
  a
• 28:33
  lot
• 28:33
  of
• 28:33
  different
• 28:33
  settings
• 28:35
  that
• 28:35
  allow
• 28:35
  you
• 28:36
  to
• 28:36
  then
• 28:37
  give
• 28:38
  different
• 28:38
  spaces
• 28:39
  to
• 28:39
  the
• 28:39
  plant
• 28:40
  based
• 28:40
  on
• 28:40
  what
• 28:40
  you
• 28:41
  think
• 28:41
  the
• 28:41
  plants
• 28:41
  like.
• 28:42
  Is
• 28:42
  this
• 28:42
  plant
• 28:43
  going
• 28:43
  to
• 28:43
  want
• 28:43
  to
• 28:43
  play
• 28:44
  in
• 28:45
  a
• 28:45
  chromatic
• 28:46
  scale
• 28:46
  or
• 28:46
  is
• 28:46
  this
• 28:47
  plan
• 28:47
  instead
• 28:47
  going
• 28:47
  to
• 28:47
  want
• 28:48
  a
• 28:48
  major
• 28:48
  scale?
• 28:48
  Or
• 28:49
  is
• 28:49
  this
• 28:49
  plant
• 28:49
  going
• 28:49
  to
• 28:50
  want,
• 28:50
  you
• 28:50
  know,
• 28:51
  a
• 28:51
  Lydian
• 28:52
  scale,
• 28:52
  like
• 28:53
  so
• 28:53
  that
• 28:53
  we
• 28:53
  can
• 28:54
  then
• 28:54
  try
• 28:55
  to
• 28:55
  give
• 28:55
  that
• 28:56
  plant
• 28:56
  that
• 28:56
  space
• 28:57
  to
• 28:58
  be
• 28:58
  able
• 28:58
  to
• 28:58
  create
• 28:59
  their
• 28:59
  own.
• 29:00
  And
• 29:00
  you
• 29:01
  know,
• 29:01
  so
• 29:01
  that
• 29:01
  gives
• 29:01
  us
• 29:02
  a
• 29:02
  little
• 29:02
  bit
• 29:02
  of
• 29:02
  leeway
• 29:03
  of
• 29:03
  like
• 29:03
  the
• 29:03
  difference
• 29:04
  between
• 29:05
  when
• 29:05
  I'm
• 29:05
  a
• 29:05
  musician
• 29:06
  playing
• 29:06
  with
• 29:06
  other
• 29:07
  musicians,
• 29:07
  I
• 29:07
  might
• 29:08
  of
• 29:08
  course
• 29:08
  modulate
• 29:09
  my
• 29:09
  sound
• 29:09
  or
• 29:10
  you
• 29:10
  know,
• 29:10
  use
• 29:11
  certain
• 29:11
  key
• 29:11
  signatures
• 29:12
  because
• 29:12
  we
• 29:13
  want
• 29:13
  to
• 29:13
  play
• 29:13
  together
• 29:14
  versus
• 29:15
  if
• 29:15
  I'm
• 29:15
  fiddling
• 29:15
  at
• 29:16
  home,
• 29:16
  I
• 29:17
  can
• 29:17
  start
• 29:17
  doing
• 29:17
  all
• 29:17
  kinds
• 29:18
  of
• 29:18
  weird
• 29:18
  things
• 29:18
  and
• 29:19
  playing
• 29:19
  intervals
• 29:19
  in
• 29:20
  between
• 29:20
  and
• 29:21
  all
• 29:21
  these
• 29:21
  other
• 29:22
  aspects
• 29:23
  because
• 29:23
  that
• 29:23
  gives.
• 29:23
  That's
• 29:24
  my
• 29:24
  expression.
• 29:25
  And
• 29:25
  so
• 29:25
  we
• 29:25
  see
• 29:25
  the
• 29:25
  same
• 29:26
  behavior
• 29:26
  in
• 29:26
  plants.
• 29:27
  Right?
• 29:27
  So
• 29:28
  let's
• 29:28
  hear
• 29:28
  it,
• 29:28
  please.
• 29:28
  And
• 29:29
  we're
• 29:29
  right
• 29:30
  at
• 29:30
  the
• 29:30
  end
• 29:30
  of
• 29:30
  the
• 29:30
  interview.
• 29:30
  I'm
• 29:31
  Anthony
• 29:31
  Wright
• 29:31
  and
• 29:32
  I've
• 29:32
  been
• 29:32
  your
• 29:32
  co
• 29:32
  host
• 29:33
  today
• 29:33
  with
• 29:34
  Adam
• 29:34
  Dietz.
• 29:34
  Thanks
• 29:34
  for
• 29:35
  joining
• 29:35
  the
• 29:35
  conversation.
• 29:35
  We
• 29:35
  have
• 29:36
  been
• 29:36
  talking
• 29:36
  with
• 29:36
  our
• 29:36
  guests,
• 29:38
  Tigrilla
• 29:39
  Gardenia.
• 29:39
  And
• 29:40
  how
• 29:40
  can
• 29:40
  people
• 29:41
  contact
• 29:41
  you,
• 29:41
  Tigrilla?
• 29:42
  So
• 29:42
  people
• 29:43
  can
• 29:43
  contact
• 29:43
  me
• 29:43
  pretty
• 29:44
  easy
• 29:44
  by
• 29:44
  going
• 29:45
  to
• 29:45
  Igria
• 29:46
  Gardenia.
• 29:47
  All
• 29:47
  one
• 29:47
  word.
• 29:47
  T
• 29:48
  I
• 29:48
  G
• 29:48
  R
• 29:49
  I
• 29:49
  L
• 29:49
  l
• 29:49
  a
• 29:50
  g-a
• 29:51
  r
• 29:51
  d
• 29:52
  e
• 29:52
  n
• 29:53
  I
• 29:53
  a
• 29:53
  either.com
• 29:54
  or
• 29:54
  at
• 29:54
  Instagram
• 29:55
  or
• 29:55
  YouTube
• 29:56
  or
• 29:56
  Facebook.
• 29:57
  And
• 29:57
  you
• 29:57
  can
• 29:57
  easily
• 29:58
  find
• 29:58
  me
• 29:58
  there.
• 29:58
  And
• 29:59
  what's
• 29:59
  the
• 29:59
  name
• 29:59
  of
• 29:59
  this
• 30:00
  song
• 30:00
  that
• 30:00
  you're
• 30:00
  going
• 30:00
  to
• 30:00
  play
• 30:00
  us?
• 30:01
  So
• 30:01
  the
• 30:01
  song
• 30:02
  is
• 30:02
  called
• 30:02
  Sonic
• 30:03
  Bliss.
• 30:03
  Sonic
• 30:04
  Bliss
• 30:04
  was
• 30:04
  a
• 30:05
  track
• 30:05
  that
• 30:05
  was
• 30:05
  created
• 30:06
  during
• 30:06
  the
• 30:07
  pandemic
• 30:07
  time
• 30:08
  where
• 30:08
  basically
• 30:09
  my
• 30:09
  business
• 30:09
  partner
• 30:10
  at
• 30:10
  the
• 30:10
  time,
• 30:10
  Spider
• 30:11
  Plant,
• 30:12
  wanted
• 30:12
  to
• 30:12
  create
• 30:13
  a
• 30:13
  track
• 30:13
  for
• 30:13
  healing.
• 30:14
  So
• 30:14
  it
• 30:15
  is
• 30:15
  a
• 30:15
  plant
• 30:16
  that.
• 30:16
  It
• 30:16
  is
• 30:16
  a
• 30:17
  track
• 30:17
  that
• 30:17
  has
• 30:17
  four
• 30:18
  plant
• 30:19
  musicians,
• 30:20
  Spider
• 30:20
  Plant,
• 30:21
  Coco,
• 30:21
  the
• 30:21
  Coconut,
• 30:22
  the
• 30:22
  Yucca
• 30:23
  and
• 30:23
  the
• 30:23
  Kalanchoa
• 30:24
  who
• 30:24
  are
• 30:24
  playing
• 30:25
  different
• 30:25
  instruments,
• 30:26
  and
• 30:26
  three
• 30:26
  human
• 30:27
  Clive
• 30:28
  Wright,
• 30:28
  Simone
• 30:28
  Vitale
• 30:29
  and
• 30:29
  Anika
• 30:30
  Clio.
• 30:31
  And
• 30:31
  so
• 30:32
  together,
• 30:32
  each
• 30:32
  one
• 30:33
  of
• 30:33
  us
• 30:33
  recorded
• 30:34
  based
• 30:34
  off
• 30:34
  of
• 30:34
  a
• 30:35
  bass
• 30:35
  track
• 30:36
  that
• 30:36
  Spider
• 30:36
  Plant
• 30:37
  played.
• 30:37
  And
• 30:37
  then
• 30:38
  it
• 30:38
  was
• 30:38
  mixed
• 30:38
  together
• 30:39
  by
• 30:39
  a
• 30:39
  beautiful
• 30:39
  Krishna
• 30:40
  Prani
• 30:40
  who
• 30:41
  was
• 30:41
  an
• 30:41
  amazing,
• 30:42
  you
• 30:42
  know,
• 30:43
  amazing
• 30:44
  sound
• 30:45
  engineer
• 30:45
  who
• 30:45
  mixed
• 30:46
  it
• 30:46
  all
• 30:46
  for
• 30:46
  us.
• 30:47
  Great.
• 30:48
  Well,
• 30:48
  let's
• 30:48
  hear
• 30:48
  it.
• 30:56
  Sam.
• 31:22
  Ram.
• 31:47
  Sa.
• 32:20
  My
• 32:20
  goodness,
• 32:21
  this
• 32:21
  is
• 32:21
  extraordinary.
• 32:23
  So
• 32:23
  we're
• 32:23
  over
• 32:24
  time
• 32:24
  here.
• 32:24
  So.