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1940s Movies Part 2 · We Regret Nothing

• Sean: Welcome back to We Regret Nothing. I'm your host Sean, and today we continue our journey through the films of the 1940s. In our last episode, Andrea, Michelle, and I went over the first 10 movies from our list of the top 20 films of the decade. A lineup shaped by war, resilience, and some of the most enduring storytelling in cinema history. Today, we're bringing you movies 11 through 20, completing the full list of contenders. Once everything is on the table, The challenge shifts. By the end of this episode, we'll narrow those 20 films down to a definitive top 10, the movies that best capture the voice, style, and impact of the 1940s. This is where the debates get real. Prestige versus popularity, innovation versus influence, wartime storytelling versus pure escapism. But every choice we make comes with a cost. So grab your theater candy and a soda, settle in. and join us as we debate, defend, and try to decide which films make the top 10 and move one step closer to our capsule. Welcome, Michelle. Hello. Hello, Andrea. Sean. Okay. Number 11, The Great Dictator. This is a 1940 American political satire written, directed, and produced by and starring, sorry. In-person participant 1: to decide which films make the top 10 and move one step closer to our capsule. Welcome Michelle. Hello. Hello Andrea. Okay, number 11, The Great Dictator. This is a 1940 American political satire written, directed, and produced by, and starring, sorry, Charlie Chaplin. ⁓ That is Sean: Charlie Chaplin. That is Andrea. In-person participant 1: Andrea? I have that this one is so hard. had a feeling that it was starting with me too. ⁓ Because I'm not a Chaplin fan, as we've said before, and I feel his influence is more in the 20s and 30s, that it reflects those decades more. ⁓ His popularity is beginning to wane a bit now, not incredibly. This is just 1940. But... This is a fucking amazing movie in the fact that he's speaking out about these two fucking fascists way before anybody in this fucking country did publicly. Publicly. I know there were people that said stuff privately, I'm not. But... I mean... He was like, and he watched the the Riefen-Shawt, I can never say. Riefen-Shawt. Riefen-Shawt. I, sorry, sorry, but thank you. ⁓ that watched the films that they made about Hitler, the the basic like just fucking dick-sucking movies, and I say that not to be crude or to imply any form of pornography, but that is what those movies were. They were propagandists bullshit. and we watched them from remembering from my history like even if we did see it but that America was very much like still in isolationism I can never say that word but you know what I kind of mean but this guy watched it and went okay I'm gonna make fun of him but I've also this might be the only way anybody fucking listens And it's scary in so many ways. I love that Hitler hated this so much and like called him like a dirty Jew, like referred to him in something that's like the animalistic dirty Jew, which Chaplin wasn't Jewish. ⁓ But yeah, this, I believe that this is Charlie Chaplin's greatest contribution ever to film. Sean: Michelle? ⁓ I agree that this is in my opinion Chaplin's best because we, you know, again, like you said, we talked about this, I'm not a huge Chaplin fan either, but this one is really good and I like the use of the music, right? Like, ⁓ In-person participant 1: ⁓ I agree that this is in my opinion Chaplin's best because we you know again like you we talked about this and I'm like huge Chaplin fan either but this one is really good and I like the use of the music right like ⁓ because he watched those films and he knew, he did research and he knew about the things that Hitler liked. ⁓ Hitler was a big Wagner fan and so was Charlie Chaplin. So he used that sort of against him. I mean, the names are crazy funny when you think about it as far as satire. But the speech that he gives at the end when he is taken Sean: because he watched those films and he knew, he did research and he knew about the things that Hitler liked. Hitler was a big Wagner fan and so was Charlie Chaplin. So he used that like sort of against him, right? I mean, the names are crazy funny, like when you think about it as far as like satire. But the speech that he gives at the end when he is taken is, In-person participant 1: being mistaken for the dictator and then gives that big speech at the end. The speech itself is actually quite moving. just I watched it again today just to like You know, and you know that it's not the actual dictator. You know that it's that it's the barber Speaking but it's it's quite moving and you know and the just the shit he's saying I'm like, ⁓ are we is this could be today? Right talking about power that the people just fucking take back the power That they could change things right and then my favorite line in it is so long as men die Liberty can never perish and he's indicating like when all these assholes that are in charge right now, they're all gonna die. They're all gonna die at some point and then hopefully we, know, spring anew. I was like, hmm, that's, mm-hmm. Yeah. Very, yeah. And then I also read that there was some debate on whether or not he was sort of playing a version of the tramp in the character of the barber. I've that too and I've never... Because he swore he would never play the tramp in a talkie. Yeah. And then, I mean, there are, you know, there are, I guess, some similarities, like when he's shaving people and whatever. But I also read that most film historians say that, that's not actually what he was doing. But I could see him being like, this is not what I'm doing. Sean: So a little ⁓ In-person participant 1: But if you the common Joe that really liked the tramp you stake it and want to come see it because you're big Yeah, who am I to tell you who am I to dissuade you from your beliefs, but? Yeah So a little Sean: The timeline because you had mentioned something Hitler said about Chaplin that was before this movie was made No, well, I mean he might have after but here's the so So in Hitler and the Nazi Party are coming to prominence Chaplin is you had mentioned how big he was in the 20s and 30s in 1931 Chaplin makes a trip to Berlin In-person participant 1: of the timeline because you had mentioned something Hitler said about Chaplin. That was before this movie was made. Oh, I thought it was in relation to this movie. No, well, I he might have after but here's the thing. already hated Chaplin. I pre-hated you. Hitler and the Nazi party are coming to Providence. Chaplin is, you had mentioned how big he was in the 20s and 30s. In 1931, Chaplin makes a trip to Berlin and is mobbed by fans. Sean: It is mobbed by fans that cannot control the the response and that annoyed the nazis ⁓ So in a nazi propaganda book in 1934 The book was titled the jews are looking at you In the book they describe chaplain by name as a disgusting jewish acrobat to your point chaplain was not jewish but ⁓ it it It got chaplain going. ⁓ and so not and sorry a friend of In-person participant 1: They cannot control the response and that annoyed the Nazis ⁓ So in a Nazi propaganda book in 1934 Yes, okay Jews are looking at that's in the book They describe chaplain by name as a disgusting Jewish acrobat to your point chaplain was not Jewish but ⁓ it it got chaplain going ⁓ and so not and sorry a friend of a very close friend of chaplains Sean: A very close friend of Chaplin's, ⁓ Ivor Montague, claims he sent Chaplin a copy of the book and he always believed that Chaplin decided to retaliate by making this movie. And then the other thing is he, another friend of his takes him to this film festival where they watch the propaganda stuff you were talking about and his friend actually was in tears over it and said that these movies like are gonna be, and Chaplin laughed through the whole movie. He was laughing hysterically throughout the the entire thing. So those two things, I believe, contributed to him making this movie. And then again, Chaplin arranged to send the film to Hitler. And an eyewitness confirmed Chaplin did in fact mail this to Hitler. Hitler's friend and architect Albert Speer denied that Hitler had ever seen it, but there are other sources not named that say Hitler seen it at least twice. Oh, you know, like I... Well, had seen it, sorry. In-person participant 1: Ivor Montague claims he sent Chaplin a copy of the book and he always believed that Chaplin decided to retaliate by making this movie. And then the other thing is he another friend of his takes him to this film festival where they watch the propaganda stuff you were talking about and his friend actually was in tears over it and said that these movies like are gonna be and Chaplin laughed through the whole movie. He was laughing hysterically throughout the entire thing. So those Two things, I believe, contributed to him making this movie. then, again, Chaplin arranged to send the film to Hitler. And an eyewitness confirmed Chaplin did, in fact, mail this to Hitler. Hitler's friend and architect, Albert Speer, denied that Hitler had ever seen it, but there are other sources, not named, that say Hitler's seen it at least twice. Oh, you know, like I... Well, had seen sorry. it. Yeah. Sean: ⁓ Yeah, so this is Last thing I kind of have is ⁓ well, I have two more things. Sorry, but ⁓ Hollywood is has moved away from silent films and Chaplin this is his first true sound film. It is also commercially his most successful film And I think to both of y'all's point, maybe his best film. don't know, but at the very least, modern critics have praised it as historically significant, one of the greatest comedy films ever made, and a very important work of satire. So this was nominated for five Academy Awards, ⁓ production, actor, writing, ⁓ supporting actor for Jack Oakey, and best music, as you all brought up, original score. But. In-person participant 1: But, kind of the, I don't know, the sad part of this, but in his autobiography in 1964, Chaplin says he would never have made this movie if he would have known about the true extent of the Holocaust at the time. Yeah, I don't believe he would have. I believe there's comedy and then there's just poking at something and, no, I do believe that. Okay, November 12th, Rome, open city. This is 1944. Sean: Kind of the, I don't know, the sad part of this, but in his autobiography in 1964, Chaplin says he would never have made this movie if he would have known about the true extent of the Holocaust at the time of the movie. Yeah, I don't believe he would have. I believe there's comedy and then there's just poking at something and no, I do believe that. Okay, number 12. Rome Open City, is 1944 Italian neuro-realist drama directed by Roberto Rossellini, co-written by Sergio Amidi, Celeste, why do I do this every episode, Celeste Negerville and Frederico Fellini. This is set in Rome in 1944. The film follows a diverse group of characters coping under Nazi occupation, centers on a resistance fighter trying to escape the city with the help of a Catholic priest. In-person participant 1: Italian neuro realist drama directed by Roberto Rossellini co-written by Sergio Amiti Celeste why do I do this every episode Celeste Negerville and frederico Fellini this is set in Rome in 1944 the film follows a diverse group of characters coping under Nazi occupation centers on a resistance fighter trying to escape the city with the help of a Catholic priest I had to look it up the title refers to the status of Rome as an open city which should have been Sean: I had to look it up, the title refers to the status of Rome as an open city, which should have been self-evident to me, following its declaration as such on August 14th, 1943. And that is Michelle. In-person participant 1: self-evident to me following his declaration as such on August 14th 1943 and that is Michelle. Well I will freely admit I have not seen this and if I'm gonna if I'm gonna watch an Italian, you know, director from I'm much more Fellini fan than this. But ⁓ I just feel like when I read the synopsis of this and as I was doing other research, I just felt like this must have been hella, hella depressing for Italians in particular post-war, right? They're just like, holy shit, right? Look at how this, look how this makes us look. I just don't, I don't know. I do like that it, you know, it actually was one of the first films to kind of push Rosalini and Anna Magnani and Fellini to the forefront so that they can continue to do good work. I just don't, mean. I don't know, I felt bad. I could not confirm this, that it was based on the true story of a priest that was trying to help. I can fill in there. Rossellini initially planned a documentary, and it was titled Story D, yeah, on the subject of Don Pietro Morasini, a Catholic priest who had been shot by the Nazis for helping the partisan movement in Italy. ⁓ Jesus Christ. So that was the impotent, Sean: I can fill in there. Rossellini initially planned a documentary and it was titled Story D on the subject of Don Pietro Morasini, a Catholic priest who had been shot by the Nazis for helping the partisan movement in Italy. So that was the impotent, the beginning of this. wanted to do a documentary about this guy. ⁓ And then ⁓ go ahead and then I'll turn it back over to you. In-person participant 1: beginning of this he wanted to do a documentary about this guy and then Go ahead and then I'll turn it back over. No, just but I do like that ⁓ there was a lot of improv in this because ⁓ The actors were most all non professionals We just see this the scene where ⁓ Anna Magnani's character runs out and then gets killed in front of her own son is something probably people have Seen but they don't know what it's from I had seen it but did not know it was from this Sean: But there was a lot of improv in this because the actors were most all non-professionals. The scene where ⁓ Anna Magnani's character runs out and then gets killed in front of her own son is something probably people have seen but they don't know what it's from. I had seen it but did not know it was from this. ⁓ In-person participant 1: Yeah, I don't know. But the most interesting factoid I found was about how they were literally running out of film, out of celluloid to keep this movie going. And they, by accident, meet this dude who works for the Signal Corps and gets them film, like scraps. And that's how they finish it. Because they ran out of money and they ran out of literal film. Damn. I did not know that. did not read that. I he ends up getting some kind of producer credit or something on it because of that, but Fellini didn't like him at all. Sean: Anything Andrew? No, because Michelle said everything. Down to, ⁓ I've never seen it. I know of the movie. I know the scene when she gets killed. I did not know it was from that either. ⁓ yeah, it was very, ⁓ I, my notes just say, no, I've never seen it. And the plot description is so fucking sad. And it is, and it's just like, you, In-person participant 1: Anything Andrew? No, because Michelle said everything down to ⁓ I've never seen it. I know of the movie. I know the scene you were when she gets killed. I did not know it was from that either. Yeah, it was very I my notes just say nope. I've never seen it and the plot description is so fucking sad. And it is and it's just like you And now knowing that it's based upon a true story, ⁓ not diggin' that. Fuck the Nazis. And all of Mussolini's. Fascist that's I just had to that across in there. I think people are gonna be really surprised by that hot take of yours there Is there any pro-muslim folks out there? I'm sure they're in the MAGA party Sean: Fascist that's I just had to that across Yeah, I think people are gonna be really surprised by that hot take of yours there that you feel that way Okay, Well, let's just keep them with the depressing motif ⁓ In-person participant 1: Let's just keep with the depressing look. Was there a reason that these were right next to each other? No, I'm glad that they are. I have a point about that. See, I'm glad because it's movie that comes after. was like, I'm sorry. Number 13, two different names. The Bicycle Thief, Bicycle Thieves, whichever it's same movie. This is a 1948 Italian neurorealist drama directed by Vittorio de Sean: Okay, so number 13 The ⁓ number 13 Two different names the bicycle thief bicycle thieves, whichever it's same movie This is a 1948 italian neurorealist drama directed by vittorio de sika Set in post world war two rome the film depicts the journey of an impoverished father hunting for a stolen bicycle An item essential for keeping the job that represents his family's hope for survival Wow, okay. Andrea. My first comment is where's Vincent D'Onofrio? Do you remember? This is what he goes to see in The Player when Tim Roth is next. Okay, that was for anybody out there that's seen this. We saw it five times in theaters, Michelle. I'm with it now. ⁓ In-person participant 1: Set in post-World War II Rome, the film depicts the journey of an impoverished father hunting for a stolen bicycle, an item essential for keeping the job that represents his family's hope for survival. Wow. Okay. Andrea. My first comment is where's Vincent D'Onofrio? Do you remember? This is what he goes to see in the player. Tim Robbins. Okay, that was for anybody out there that's seen this. We saw it five times in After that, after I saw the player, I watched Bicycle Thieves and this is just sad. I'd never watched it again. I don't... I don't- I think Preston brought it up once about, Mom, would you ever want to watch this with me? And I was like, I will, but I think he- he never asked me again. I think he could just tell by my tone, the little boy in it. ⁓ I love that he was just like, belonged to one of the sh- belonged, was the child of one of the shop owners and was just like- like just watching and so fascinated with them doing this that the director, it was his son that he was going to have or going to have his son play that he's like, ⁓ like scooted his son over and brought this kid who is just really good in so many sweet ways that this now years later, I realize how much the the son from the Bicycle Thief reminds me of the little boy in Cinema Paradiso. And I'm sure that might have been what they're going to maybe to evoke some of that. ⁓ This movie is really good, but it's just... That's all. ⁓ Michelle. Yeah. My notes I have because these two were back to back. I was like, if you're going to depress, if you're to make people depressed, at least do it in a way they can relate to. Right. So I love that this movie is full circle. Right. It starts where, you know. Sean: That's all. ⁓ Michelle. Yeah. My notes I have because these two are back to back. I was like, if you're going to depress, if you're going to make people depressed, at least do it in a way they can relate to. So I love that this movie is full circle. Right. It starts where, you know, he he's basically he needs a job. He has to have this bicycle to keep the job. In-person participant 1: He's basically, he needs a job. He has to have this bicycle to keep the job. day one, bicycle gets stolen. And then he goes, it's basically his quest to get this bicycle back, because he's so desperate to have this work so he can provide for his family. And then he also, spoiler, from 1948, ends up stealing a bike himself in order, right? And then, yeah, and then gets caught. And then gets let go and is back right and his son we mentioned it's on this journey with him trying to find this lost bicycle and then at the end he's right back at the same spot he was in the beginning of the movie and so I feel like for for actual Italians I mean not that other people didn't see this but this must have been a much more while still depressing Yeah, a much more relatable thing about what their lives were like post-war, right? They already know what happened, right? Yeah, they lived through it and now this was like, ⁓ it's not just like You know, I don't know. I really liked it. And if it's good enough for a Kira Kurosawa, it's good enough for me He listed as like one of his favorite movies I could see that I could completely see that that is that's and so I was listening to you and Shawn would be like you can't listen and look at your phone, but I Heard everything she said But did I hear or did I listen, Sean? Is that what you're... Yep, I can see you, Sean. I was just looking to see if that young man, if that little boy ever made... He went on and made 25 more films. Seems like always like The Bus Boy or This or That, but it's kind of, you know... I'm trying to take some, because man, this movie still makes me cry. It's still... Man's just trying to... That's it. Sean: ⁓ let's let's kind of like bring the room back up again ⁓ 14 miracle on 34th Street ⁓ on 34th Street is a 1947 American Christmas comedy ⁓ by 20th Century Fox written and directed by George Seton and based on a story by Valentine Davies ⁓ Maureen O'Hara John Payne Natalie Wood and Edmund Gwynn Gwynn ⁓ The story takes place between Thanksgiving and Christmas in New York City, focuses on the effect of a department store Santa Claus who claims to be the real Santa. And that is... In-person participant 1: The story takes place between Thanksgiving and Christmas in New York City, focuses on the effect of a department store Santa Claus who claims to be the real Santa. And that is... If you were trying to bring the room back up, you picked the wrong person to start with. I do not like this movie. I don't know why. I love Edmund Gwynne. I love... He's so pure and simple that even at some point I believed he was the real fucking Santa Claus. But I just... I can't get into this movie. I've seen it done as a play. I've seen... I just... It's... not for me and I think maybe probably it's because I didn't watch it as a kid like so as a classic I didn't really watch it as a kid so it didn't become part of my like tradition ⁓ But that said, people love this fucking movie, so I know it's just me. I know it's just me. And I can't, I mean, I think the only thing I can attribute to is that, is that I didn't, it wasn't part of our Christmas tradition to watch this movie. So I don't, but other than that, can't, know. And then the remake, like. I tried to watch that too. thought, ooh, maybe because Dylan McDermott. fucking love Dylan McDermott. Nope, still is a no for me. And that's not saying it's not a great movie because it is. It's real cute. But I just, I don't know what my cold dead black heart doesn't like about it. Sean: Andrea? is dumb. See? No, I said it because I know and I get it but Christmas is also my favorite holiday. In-person participant 1: Andrew. Bitch is dumb. See? I knew it. I told you it was me. No, and I get it. But Christmas is also my favorite holiday. It is not your favorite holiday. It's not even close. I drag you kicking and screaming into it every fucking year. I love this movie. I fucking love Plus I love... Please take this the way I'm going to say it. Anybody who tries to rep... I love young Natalie Wood. ⁓ she was so... Are we not doing phrases? That's why I'm like, please. ⁓ She's so good in this. Maureen O'Hara is great. I love her accent drops a couple of times. She says like, like thing, but she's like, I'm the ting. it's like, for nutting daddy. Exactly. I love that she had already moved back to Ireland and was like, I'm retired. And she got this script and she was like, I'm, I'm coming. I, uh, I, I, blown away by the fact of Zanuck as greedy as he was but because he hated Christmas, Daryl Zanuck, because he hated Christmas he insisted this movie be released in May because people go to movies in warmer weather. I'm like, sir, where'd you get those stats? Also, they kept all the Christmas theme out of this, out of the posters. So like you did not, they had no idea. And this movie where I could not find it anywhere but I did read this years ago like when when the 94 remake came out that when this original came out ⁓ they offered if you did not like it you could get ⁓ a refund at the box office and I think they they had like 27 people took them up on it because people were were pissed because they were like we didn't know this was a Christmas movie ⁓ Like already said, I love this movie. I love how it was filmed during the real Macy's Thanksgiving Day parade, which I want to go to so bad and it's the 100th anniversary this year and I've always wanted to go just to be there at the time and do that, but I do realize the craziness of it. I was just throwing it out there. ⁓ The performances are so good. There's, I'm a fan of the remake. ⁓ because they go a little bit deeper into the like the but they they touch on stuff here like Maureen O'Hara's husband is gone. That's why she doesn't really believe in wishes or miracles or fantastic like he's gone and the fact that they even it's not like he died in the war it's not like she's not a widower or anything I feel that it does touch on some things like like ⁓ shit ⁓ yeah I yeah I like this movie Sean: So this movie, well you brought up Maureen O'Hara, but ⁓ John Payne was- dissatisfied with the roles he was getting at Fox. So they were shoving him into musicals and B movies. so they offered him, I think it was a musical, but they offered him a movie and he just declined the project. He was under contract, so he got suspended in 1946. And then while he's suspended, he was literally walking around the lot at Fox, asking who was making movies. He runs into George Seaton, ⁓ they, Fox wanted him to direct this movie. he goes and he just volunteered to play the role of the attorney, John Payne did. And so Seton was like, okay, and went and John Payne's in the movie. So the but this movie was ⁓ nominated for four Academy Awards, one three, Gwyn. Gwen, I keep wanting to call him Gwen, because there's two N's and it just seems like it's a Gwen. Gwen for Best Actor in a Supporting Role, Davies for Best Writing, George Seton for Best Writing Screenplay, oh sorry, Davies wins for Best Writing Original Story, Seton for Best Writing Screenplay. Film was nominated for Best Picture but lost out to Gentleman's Agreement. And I too like this movie, and maybe saying something controversial, I like the remake better. In-person participant 1: Davies for best writing, George Seton for best writing screenplay. ⁓ sorry Davies wins for best writing original story, Seton for best writing screenplay. Film was nominated for best picture but lost out to gentlemen's agreement. And I too like this movie and maybe saying something controversial I like the remake better. This is true you do because we have that discussion. Yeah Macy's was like no like I think the quote was that you could not improve on the original. Yeah, yeah, fair Which based on Macy's trouble, they should have done it just like some free advertising every year. How about it? Okay number 15 Red River Red River is a 1948 American Western film directed and produced by Howard Hawks starring John Wayne and Montgomery Clift Sean: This is true, you do. Because we have that discussion. Yeah, I like them both. Macy's was like, no! I think the quote was that you could not improve on the original. Yeah. Yeah. Well, listen, I- When Macy's trouble, they should have done it just to like, some free advertising every year. Yeah, how about it? Okay, number 15, Red River. Red River is a 1948 American western film directed and produced by Howard Hawks starring John Wayne and Montgomery Clift. In-person participant 1: already know we feel the same way about this. Sean: It gives a fictional account of the first cattle drive from Texas to Kansas along the Chisholm Trail. The dramatic tension stems from a growing feud over the management of the drive between the Texas Ranger who initiated Wayne and his adopted adult son, Clift. That is neither of you. don't want to hear from... ⁓ No, Andrea. ⁓ you mean his adopted adult son where in real life he bullied him through the whole set and called him the F-word because he was a... In-person participant 1: It gives a fictional account of the first cattle drive from Texas to Kansas along the Chisholm Trail. The dramatic tension stems from a growing feud over the management of the drive between the Texas Ranger who initiated Wayne and his adopted adult son, Cliff. That is neither of you. I don't want to hear from... ⁓ No, Andrea. ⁓ you mean his adopted adult son where in real life he bullied him through the whole set and called him the F-word because he was a horrific fucking human being. Listen, Red River is not- I don't like- stop with the sighing! Red- this is why you signed me up. Red River, ⁓ I'm not a John Wayne fan. It's very- he is one of the artists. It is very hard for me to separate the artist from the movies he makes. I won't even- Red River's not a good movie. I mean, it's... It's just, it's kinda like... Okay. It's... There's so many troublesome backstories and everything you know about this, but it's just really... Of the John Wayne movies, Red River is one of those that... I'm just like, ⁓ okay. Not a real big interest in this one. And you know this, I will watch McClintock. I love you. I will watch it and not engage in a book. I will watch The Shootist. There are a couple of John Wayne movies that if I'm in the room, I will watch. But Red River just... And I want to actually love it, or at least like it, for Montgomery Clift. Like, Monty was very troubled, but I still, like, I think Monty and I would have been friends. So, yeah, it's... just... Sean: Red River's not a good movie. mean, it's just, it's kind of like, okay, there's so many troublesome backstories and everything you know about this, but it's just really, of the John Wayne movies, Red River is one of those that I'm just like, okay, not a real big interest in this one. And Ed, you know this, I will watch McClintock. I love you. In-person participant 1: Not Howard Hawks best. Michelle? My notes aren't gonna be that much different. just, ⁓ just... The shit, this whole movie is just John Wayne's character, I'll just say that, being an asshole, right? Up to and including propositioning his son, his stepson's girlfriend to, if she gives him a child... Sean: Michelle? My notes aren't going to be that much different. just, ⁓ you just, the shit, this whole movie is just John Wayne's character. I'll just say that being an asshole, right? Up to and including propositioning his son, his stepson, girlfriend to if she gives him a child. In-person participant 1: Then he'll give her the half of the ranch. He was gonna give the son till he betrayed him Throw this whole movie in the trash I mean there's it's no wonder to me that there's like a whole generation of boomers who think like that Character is what a man's supposed to be like right first. It's John Wayne So it's you know, rough-and-tumble fucking John Wayne But then he treats everyone in his life like absolute fucking garbage and then we're supposed to feel sorry for him at the end when he gets shot and then decides like, well now you can have part of the ranch. Go back and change the brand. You've earned it. ⁓ my God. Gross, the whole thing makes me, it gives me the ick. Except for the part that I think maybe Sherry Balance's name in The Outsiders is a nod to Sherry Balance, the hired gunman. That's all I'm gonna say. Because they call her Sherry. How did I not look that? Oh my God. Sorry, Essie, I'm so sorry. Thank you, Michelle. Thank you, Sean. I'm sorry, what year was this movie made? 48. 1940. Okay, I could not. Sean: I believe that as well. I believe that to be true. It is a not. 1948. Okay, I could not remember. Thank you. In-person participant 1: Thank you. Thank you. I I think It's been alluded to ⁓ I I do like John Wayne movies I acknowledge every all the problems with John Wayne, but I do like John Wayne movies ⁓ I do not like this movie. I was just messing with you all ⁓ No, I do not like bastard. Yeah, and and again like so many ⁓ Sean: Thank you. I think it's been alluded to. I do like John Wayne movies. I acknowledge all the problems with John Wayne, but I do like John Wayne movies. ⁓ I do not like this movie. I was just messing with you all. No, I do not like this movie. Bastard! Really? And again, ⁓ like so many... ⁓ Most of this is movies but on TV shows so many things in my life that I don't like and I feel like I'm supposed to like I keep going back to it and kind of going I'm you know supposed to like this and it I've watched this movie probably three times and I have the same feeling over it every time Don't like this movie, ⁓ but this film was nominated for Academy Awards for best film editing best writing ⁓ motion picture story ⁓ Didn't win any of them but ⁓ I just, I put this story in here, it's gonna make sense to you all, probably anybody who has been around me the last couple weeks, but at age 25, this was Montgomery Clift's first Hollywood film role. So Howard Hawks had seen him on stage and he was so impressed by what he saw. He was willing to sign him with no strings attached, which helped Cliff's sense of independence because he was real nervous. So ⁓ he spent six weeks learning how to ride like a real cowboy under the guidance of another actor, Noah Beery Jr. Rockford's dad, which I'm currently ⁓ Rocky I'm deep in the Rockford files right now rewatching those but yeah, so I threw that in for for that connection, That's why he, one of the reasons that Wayne started the bullying, he knew that he was, that Cliff was a homosexual. Wayne couldn't ride a horse for fuck all. And he was scared of them. And then you have a... In-person participant 1: under the guidance of another actor, Noah Beery Jr. Rockford's dad, which I'm in the Rockford files right now rewatching those. So I threw that in for that connection. I love Rocky. That was something too though that's why he... one of the reasons that Wayne started the bullying, he knew that was that Clift was a homosexual, but Wayne couldn't ride a horse for fuck all. and he was scared of them and then you have a Nancy boy that can ride and that... Yeah, okay, Marion. Right? We're fine with your name, motherfucker. Number 16, Laura. Sean: Number 16, Laura. Laura is a 1944 American film noir produced and directed by Otto Preminger, stars Jean Tierney, Dana Andrews, along with Clifton, Webb, Vincent Price, and Judith Anderson. Manhattan detective Mark McPherson, played by Dana Andrews, investigates the murder of Madison Avenue executive Laura Hunt, played by Jean Tierney, and her fashionable apartment. On the trail of her murderer, McPherson quizzes Laura's arrogant best friend, gossip columnist and best name ever, Waldo Lidecker, played by Clifton. In-person participant 1: and her comparatively mild fiance, Shelby Carpenter, played by Vincent Price. As the detective grows obsessed with the case, he also finds himself falling in love with a dead woman. That is Michelle. ⁓ Okay, so I have seen this movie twice. Sean: in Webb and her comparatively mild fiance, Shelby Carpenter, played by Vincent Price. As the detective grows obsessed with the case, he also finds himself falling in love with a dead woman. That is Michelle. Okay, so I have seen this movie twice. The first time I liked it a lot better than the second time. I think because I had seen other films in between. In-person participant 1: The first time I liked it a lot better than the second time. I think because I had seen other films in between, one of them is on this list. And I love film noir and I love when there's kind of a, you know, like a twist, right? And I think the reason I didn't like it as much the second time is because there's another, you know, there's another movie I saw in between these two that's, in my opinion, better. It's not the same kind of thing, but it's there. Anyway, this movie is great. Sean: And I think the reason I didn't like it as much the second time is because there's another, you know, there's another movie I saw in between these two that's in my opinion better. It's not the same kind of thing, but it's anyway, this movie is great. I do. I in my notes, would either a lot of companions, you know, like female companion or in this case, a male companion or ⁓ do we think that shit still happens? Is this just the old rich white people thing or do you think that shit still happen that they that they just have like a In-person participant 1: I do I in my notes. I would either a lot of companions, you know, like female companion or in this case a male companion or ⁓ Do we think that shit still happens? Is this just the old rich white people thing or do you think that shit still happened that they that they just have like a Platon well platonic at least on one side. Yeah, right like Companion just hanging out It just I don't know It's one of those things that struck me because we've we've talked about that a lot like somebody's a you know, like even in Rebecca Right, there's like yeah Yeah, I don't know. It doesn't matter. No, it doesn't because you see companion and I always see look they refer to somebody as a companion if they were old rich and white and this was like a Dave Maggie Smith and is it's Betty Davis isn't it in? Death on the Nile. She's her nursing companion. I didn't know if you meant in this movie, Judith Ann- I think any- just think that it comes up It's a rich white thing. It's a rich white thing. Yes. You can- you get one given to you after you graduate from Harvard. This is another- this is another example of Zanuck just taking a bunch of fucking L's. Right? just- as a ⁓ studio producer, he just tried to be too- like way too involved and he starts taking- L after L particularly on this film because he he fires Premiger replaces him brings him back fucks up his ending gets too involved in in the plot and the script writing and then has to acquiesce because he gets told like okay whatever you this ending sucks balls you gotta bring back the original ending finally he just lets you know Premiger have his shit back so ⁓ I do like this film. I do think it is good. I also like that there's a, I read that there's kind of, David Lynch also quite liked this movie and that Twin Peaks, even up to and including that Laura Palmer's name was Laura, was an homage to this, even though his is a, in my opinion, much, much creepier version of, if I can't have her, no one will. You haven't seen Twin Peaks, I'm not spoiling that for you. Go watch that. Isn't that like 30 years old? Yeah, but I mean people still don't understand what that ending was. And I'm not talking about the Black Launch part of it, I'm talking about, yeah. but it is a much creepier version of that. Andrea? This is in my top 25 all time favorite movies. ⁓ fuck, I knew it. ⁓ No, it's okay. Of course it's okay. Sean: even up to and including that Laura Palmer's name was Laura wasn't a mosh to this, even though his is a, in my opinion, much, much creepier version of if I can't have her, no one will. And then if you haven't seen Twin Peaks, I'm not spoiling that for you. Go watch that. Isn't that like 30 years old? Yeah. mean, people still don't understand what that ending was. Well, I don't either. I'm just saying you can't. part of it. I'm talking about. Yeah. Andrea? This is in my top 25 all time favorite movies. ⁓ fuck, I knew it. No, it's okay. Of course it's okay. ⁓ I think the acting in this is... In-person participant 1: I think the acting in this is... a fucking master class. I love that, ⁓ Mamoulian who was brought in after Premonjur was fired the first time, Mamoulian was like, ⁓ just fucking it up. Like he gave no direction to Tierney or Andrews cause he was like, you're below me. ⁓ and then like he was letting, cause again, like I said earlier when we were talking about Rebecca, Dame Judith Anderson's in this and they said that like, and she has a very kind of subtle, you think like she's Hey. quote-unquote you think not a bad guy in the fact of like ⁓ maybe she murdered Lord but just her character in the film was this subdued kind of like I know what I'm getting and I I'm I'm okay with that because Shelby also shout out to hot Vincent Price ⁓ that it's still every time I'm like damn ⁓ Shelby's such a Texan heel but but Shelby is who Shelby is like there's everything but like mammalian let they the quote I read this Sean: Rebecca, Dame Judith Anderson's in this. And they sent it like, and she has a very kind of subtle, you think like she's, quote unquote, not a bad guy in the fact of like, ⁓ In-person participant 1: said because it's and it gave him full thing let Anderson read from the balcony instead of having this subdued performance totally ignored Clifton Webb because again a homosexual and Xanax didn't like and like Clifton Webb hadn't acted in years and He's so good in it. He's Waldo Lidecker and he's so good. But when I first saw this movie, was, you know, there's always been twists in films. Kids, ⁓ Night wasn't the first one to do it, but they used to be far and few between, few and far between. But in this, there is such a twist and you're just like, holy shit. Like I never expected the twist, which I did ruin it for ourselves. the first time. ⁓ no. I thought he had gotten past that I was waiting for this. You mentioned on the last episode you had spoiled a movie for your son and this is This was it. He still will say this was a good movie. Did you spoil by telling like who did it or that she was still alive? That she was still alive. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Because I thought he was right past that part because he said something and I'm like but he thought it was a dream because he had just paused it. Sean: They used to be far and few between few and far between they but in this there is such a twist and You're just like holy shit. Like I never expected the twist which I did ruin it for our son the first I Thought he had gotten past that I was waiting for this you mentioned on the last episode you had spoiled a movie for your son and this This is it In-person participant 1: And he felt sorry because Dana Andrews had fallen asleep in the chair I think this has a great bit of like matching doors and keys and it's I love this movie and knowing Then seeing Jean Tierney in this and she's so bright and young and and very Jean Tierney cuz just like beautiful She was so Just look up the stuff on Jean Tierney if you want to feel really bad and cry a lot. I did not know though until a few years ago that she had been married and had children with Oleg Kassini. Like, did not know that. Nope. But she... This is good. She's fantastic. This I am not breaking anything. I do not think this is her best film of the forties, but, ⁓ but yeah, she and the whole cast. Yep. Cool. Laura, see you at a theater near you. Which is your house. Which is my house. Sean: And, ⁓ but she, this is good. She's fantastic. This, I am not breaking anything. I do not think this is her best film of the forties, but yeah, she, the whole cast. Yep. Cool. Laura, see you at the theater near you. Wow. is my house. ⁓ the third man the third man is a 1949 film noir directed by Carol Reed written by Graham Green starring Joseph Cotton ⁓ a lead Valley ⁓ That is her stage name because if you want me to read her real name, I will quit this podcast ⁓ Orson Welles and Trevor Howard set in post-world war two allied occupied Vienna the film centers on American writer Holly Martins who arrives in the city to accept a job with his friend Harry Lyme only to learn that he has died Martin stays in Vienna to investigate Lyme's death becoming infatuated with Lyme's girlfriend Anna Schmidt that is Andrea. In-person participant 1: of his friend Harry Lime only to learn that he has died. Martin stays in Vienna to investigate Lime's death becoming infatuated with Lime's girlfriend Anna Schmidt. That is Andrea. Why didn't I have Laura? I have these are my notes. Harry is the drama also young Joseph Cotton was so hot. Meh. It doesn't it didn't do a lot for me. I saw it once, the video store. It's nothing I've ever seen. Who knows? Maybe I would like it if I watched it again. But from what I can remember, when I was going back and doing the research on it, I was like, I'm content not to revisit this. Michelle? Sean: I'm content not to to revisit this. OK, Michelle. also only saw it once, probably because your mom told us to. But it's you know, it's the same genre of like the, you know, dead, but not dead. Right. And that the, you know, I don't. I don't love. That the reason that. In-person participant 1: I also only saw it once probably because your mom told us to. ⁓ But it's, you know, it's the same genre of like the, you know, dead but not dead, right? And that the, you know, ⁓ I don't, I don't love that the reason that, that Martin's ends up staying after he's like the because okay let me let me backtrack so while he's there he falls in love with the girl right and then ⁓ again spoiler alert harry's not dead right but when they find out what he was doing and ⁓ and they're gonna, they're gonna go get him. She is like, no, but I still love him. And then she tips him off that the cops are coming to get him. And then what should have happened is that Holly should have just been exactly what he was gonna do. Fuck this. I'm leaving. This is garbage. I'm not getting the girl. This guy's a dirt bag. He was my friend, but now he's not. Blah, blah, blah. I'm going home. And then he gets taken to the hospital to see the kids that are dying from this black market penicillin that was supposed to help them. and that's why he stays. So in the end when he doesn't get the girl back I don't I do not feel sorry for him. But I do like the like weird angles and the the shooting and the darkness and whatever and that I read that William Wyler who's a friend of Carol Reed's sent him a level and said with a note that said Carol next time you make a picture just put it on top of the camera will you? Because of like all the weird angles. ⁓ I ⁓ like that. Yeah, I mean it looks like a shady friend. It looks cool, yeah, it's not it's not at the top of my my list for these type of movies. Okay. Sean: and said with a note that said, Carol, next time you make a picture, just put it on top of the camera. Will you? Because it's like all the weird angles and shit. ⁓ I like that. Yeah. I mean, looks cool. looks cool. yeah, it's not it's not at the top of my my list for these type of movies. OK. number 18. Notorious. Notorious. Sorry. 1946 American spy film directed and produced by Alfred Hitchcock starring Cary Grant, Ingrid Bergman, Claude Rains as three people whose lives become intimately entangled during an espionage operation. In-person participant 1: ⁓ 18. Notorious. I knew ⁓ it. Sorry. American spy film directed and produced by Alfred Hitchcock starring Cary Grant, Ingrid Bergman, Claude Rains. It's three people whose lives become intimately entangled during an espionage operation. Sean: Film follows US government agent TR Devlin who enlists the help of Alicia Huberman, the daughter of a convicted German spy, to infiltrate a group of Germans hiding out in Rio de Janeiro after World War II. The situation becomes complicated when the two fall in love as Huberman is instructed to seduce Alex Sebastian, played by Claude Rains, who is an IG Farben executive who had previously been infatuated with her. That sounds like a lot. 18. Michelle. In-person participant 1: I feel about notorious the way Andrea feels about Laura. I first of all, I love Alfred Hitchcock and I love this movie. I know I'm not really breaking the rules, but ⁓ they, I like that they had to kind of, they tried to skirt around the fact that she had kind of a flowery past and that's why they end up trying to use her to seduce the farm exec. But they're basically saying, well, hey, she was already a whore, so this won't be out of character for her. Which Devlin, you know, doesn't, he doesn't care about as he falls in love with her, although he does try to shield her from the assignment. And they're like, nah, man, she already does this shit, so she'll be fine. I have so many notes on this because I love it so much. ⁓ It has all of the like Hitchcockian things that we know and love about him, like superior camera shots, where it goes from big wide scenes to very tiny scenes to the way they cover up how they get caught in the cellar. ⁓ I love, I mean, this is great filmmaking. ⁓ Sean: up to and including the ending, I absolutely fucking love because, ⁓ In-person participant 1: up to and including the ending which I absolutely fucking love because ⁓ Listen, spoiler alert, nothing. When he walks her down the stairs out in front of, mm-hmm, and all the people that are gonna either, they're trying to kill her because he knows he got caught. And then he knows he has to get rid of her, thanks to his mom, who Hitchcock will explore further mother issues as his work continues. ⁓ But then he just, just. And the fact that it's Cary Grant also just makes it better for me because he doesn't care. He loves her. He's going to walk her down in front of him. He was going to let this guy get his fucking comeuppance, which we assume that he does. I, ⁓ I just think this is unmatched filmmaking. This isn't, this isn't even my favorite Hitchcock, but I fucking love this one. Andrea? I have notes. First note. Sean: And the fact that it's Cary Grant also just makes it better for me because he doesn't care if he loves her, he's gonna walk her down in front of her and he was gonna let this guy get his fucking comeuppance, which we assume that he does. I just think this is unmatched filmmaking. This isn't even my favorite Hitchcock, but I fucking love this one. Okay. Andrea? I have notes. First note. In-person participant 1: It's in my top five Hitchcock movies. ⁓ Number two, which seems to be a theme in the 40s, because I'm guessing all the people who made the movie posters were over there fighting. ⁓ Poster sucks. I had. This poster sucks. Who was doing these posters? Because it looks like he's giving her like this Ry Grinn. It's such a weird poster for what the movie is about. I also have mothers-in-law are the worst. ⁓ But this is so, there are parts of that, like I just said to Michelle and joking around and babe, if you'd look at me, I was like this, like seriously, the first time I saw it when he's walking her down, I'm like, I was like, this can't go well. And then I really did feel bad for Claude a little bit, young think you're supposed to. Yeah, but it's like, he's like, take me with you. And they're like, NARP. And it's so good. It is so good. It is, yeah. Way to go. That's it. Sean: Okay, Number 19. Oh, no. No, please. One of the most interesting things that I read about this was when the American Film Institute did their lifetime achievement award for Alfred Hitchcock. On set, Cary Grant had kept the key to the cellar, the key that she steals off the key ring. Because when she's given the original set of the keys, there's no key to the cellar and that's how they figure out something's in the cellar. In-person participant 1: Number wait, can I add one? No. No, please. One of the most interesting things that I read about this was when the American Film Institute did their lifetime achievement award for Alfred Hitchcock. ⁓ On set, Cary Grant had kept the key to the cellar, the key that they get that she steals off the key ring. ⁓ Because when she's given the original set of the keys, there's no key to the cellar. that's how they figure out like something's in the cellar. ⁓ And then she so Cary Grant kept that key off the He had it in his possession and then he at some point he gives it to Ingrid Bergman and says this always brought me good luck I hope it brings you good luck and he gives her the key then after this award ceremony She gives the key to Hitchcock and he's like shocked and does not he didn't even know and that anyone had it and It was like a very touching moment. He really loved it. And and so I just thought that was real cute. I love that they like that they, that Cary Grant kept that memento and then gave it to her and then she gave it back to Hitchcock. I love that story. love that. It's real cute. Anyway. I love stories like that. Me too. Number 19, brief encounter. Brief encounter is a 1945 British romantic tragedy. Sean: And so I just thought that was real cute. I love that. Like that they carry grant kept that momomo or the memento and then gave it to her and then she gave it back to Hitchcock. I love that story. I that. That's real cute. Anyway, OK. Stories like that. Number 19, brief encounter. Brief encounter is a 1945 British romantic tragedy. ⁓ directed by David Lean from a screenplay by Noel Coward based on his 1936 one-act play Still Life. Films stars Celia Johnson and Trevor Howard in the lead roles. This tells the story of two married strangers living in pre-World War II England whose chance meeting at a railway station leads to a brief yet intense emotional affair disrupting their otherwise conventional lives. That is Andrea. In-person participant 1: ⁓ Directed by David Ng from a screenplay by Noel Coward based on his 1936 one-act play Still Life. Filmed stars Celia Johnson and Trevor Howard in the lead roles. This tells the story of two married strangers living in pre-World War II England whose chance meeting at a railway ⁓ station leads to a brief yet intense emotional affair disrupting their otherwise conventional lives. That is Andrea. This is so sad. It's... It's so heartbreaking. ⁓ I've seen this a few times. It... There's other films in later years that have tried to... What's funny is nobody gives it this film the credit. Like, this is kind of taking from... But... It's just like... The being empty in your life and you find somebody that chance encounter brings you joy. There's not, it's, and then to not be able to be together. And there's, you know, there's a scene in it where they are almost, they've decided that they are going to consummate their emotional affair. Yes, they're married. I'm not, please, like, let's not get me started on this, because it's just, it's so sad. And there is a part where they're gonna consummate, and he's using your friend's apartment, and then the friend comes home early and scolds him, and I just always felt that his friend scolded him, sometimes I think people... your friends, the ones who are closest to you, this isn't a passive-aggressive statement, it's not about you. ⁓ I know you. Like, seven nights from now when we're having drinks, you're gonna be like, was that about me? But I think- No, you'll tell me. Yeah, I will. ⁓ I totally will. ⁓ That was passive-aggressive. But... ⁓ I think that your friends say they want to see you happy and everything like this, but in some instances that if your happiness will crack the facade of what they see as happiness, they'll do their best to not see you happy for your own good. And it's just there's, they don't get to say goodbye because her friend comes and it's... Sean: I think that your friends say they want to see you happy and everything like this but in some instances that if your happiness will crack the facade of what they see as happiness they'll do their best to not see you happy for your own good and it's just there's they don't get to say goodbye because her friend comes and it's... In-person participant 1: So good. I never knew that David Lean did this movie. I never knew that until we did the... until we got the list. And I was like, what the f... that... it blew me away that it was Lean. ⁓ It's really good. It's poignant. It's heartbreaking and... and yeah. And I think, and I'm not breaking the rules, ⁓ it... I feel was ahead of its time. For sure. But it's Noel Coward so I'm not surprised with that. You all spend a lot of time saying you're not breaking the rules when you're breaking the rules. Do you want to hear something? Yeah. We regret nothing. boy. Michelle? I also agree this one's super sad. It's like the epitome of you know the heart wants what the heart wants kind of thing right and the thing that Sean: You all spend a lot of time saying you're not breaking the rules when you're breaking the rules, yeah Michelle I also agree this one is super sad. It's like the epitome of you know the heart wants what the heart wants kind of thing right and the thing that always got me was when he When he's leaving the rail station at the end to go get on his train to Africa and he just gives her a little squeeze on the shoulder ⁓ In-person participant 1: always got me was when he when he's leaving the rail station at the end to go get on his train to Africa and he just gives her a little squeeze on the shoulder and you're just like oh no. The differences between the play and the and the movie are subtly different but I think actually make the movie I never saw the play so just take that for what it is but uh I think it makes the movie more heartbreaking, right? Because in the, so for instance, in the play, it's kind of left up to you whether or not they consummated their relationship or not. can, that was for the viewer to interpret. And... when at the end when she's so distraught when she realizes like this is never going to happen and she attempts to ⁓ they they dumbed that down for the movie but in the in the play it's it's quite obvious that she's going to throw herself in front of a train whether it was that train or not i don't know but it's just it is it's it's sad it's very sad And that it starts as it starts as such an innocent thing. Yeah. Like as as ⁓ as an escape is a kind of thing from whatever their lives were or are that it just starts as such an innocent thing. And then it even kind of ends that way. Well, there's ends as. Yeah. Sad. There's I can't remember the name of the movie, but it's De Niro and Meryl Streep. And remember, and they're. But like they meet because of the train station, which this might be kind of a nod to. I don't know, but yeah, it does come down to are they going to have an affair? they, it's, ⁓ why can't I remember that? I can only remember his with Jane Fonda, but I can only remember Stanley and Iris. So that's all that's stuck in my, but. I believe that was called falling in love. Yes. And it just reminded me. Sean: I can only remember his with Jane Fonda but I can only remember Stanley and Iris so that's all that's stuck in my... I believe that was called falling in love. Yes! And it just reminded me, the first time I saw that movie it reminded me of this movie. Yes, there are differences but yeah I just... In-person participant 1: The first time I saw that movie reminded me of this movie. Yes, there are differences, but yeah, I just. It's a good movie, it's. It's a good movie. No reference to that being related to this. That's what I was looking for. See if it was nothing like a nod to or yeah, we directed falling in love. Ulu Grosved, he never gives credit. Sean: No reference to that being related to this in any way I can find Nothing Ulu Grosbard In-person participant 1: There's a lot of people in this stuff. There's a lot of people in it. Okay. Did both of you get a chance to speak on that movie? Yes. Okay. No hell grounds? left? Number 20, Fantasia. Fantasia is a 1940 American animated musical anthology film produced by Walt Disney Productions. Story direction by Joe Grant and Dick Humor. Sean: Yeah. There's a lot of people in it. Okay. ⁓ was that, did both of you get a chance to speak on that movie? Yes. Okay. No held rounds. Anything left? Okay. Number 20, Fantasia. Fantasia is a 1940 American animated musical anthology film produced by Walt Disney Productions. Story direction by Joe Grant and Dick Humor. It consists of eight. animated segments set to pieces of classical music conducted by Leopold Stachowski, seven of which are performed by the Philadelphia Orchestra. Deems Taylor acts as the film's master of ceremonies who introduces each segment in live action. And Michelle. This is another one of those I didn't appreciate this when I first saw it kind of things like as a kid I was just like this is boring as hell. Why are they? Yeah. Yeah In-person participant 1: This is another one of those I didn't appreciate this when I first saw it kind of things like as a kid I was just like this boring as hell. Why are they? Yeah. What? Yeah, why? Why do I listen to all this and and none of this makes sense? And yeah, but upon rewatching several times as an adult like it's it's it's super fascinating to me And you know has all the damn classics in it. So how do I at this point, you know, I love it. I just think It's fun and that I like again, we talked about this when we talked about Snow White that, you know, Walt had vision, right? For all of Walt's actual like faults, he had vision and he fully agreed, listen, I don't know enough about music to tell you what should or shouldn't be in this. I just know what I want it to feel like and that when they realized it was gonna be too expensive that they've make their money back on it for what it was originally intended to be, which is one of those silly symphonies. They were like, okay, so we're just gonna go for it. We're just gonna make this feature links film with all these million characters in it where things do tie in and things don't tie in and you know the sorcerer's apprentice Mickey, right, that now is beloved. They were like, we got to give him a little shot in the arm. So we're gonna, I just, he had vision like and I can respect that. I have mad respect for that. it looks cool. Andrea? What Michelle said. okay. Sean: Andrea. okay. ⁓ so the only two things I would add is the soundtrack was recorded using multiple audio channels and reproduced with what. Disney created this Fanta sound, ⁓ that is a pioneering sound system that made Fantasia the first commercial film shown in stereo and would be the precursor to surround sound, which I appreciate. Also when adjusted for inflation, Fantasia is the 23rd highest grossing film of all time. In-person participant 1: That was whenever that I was like, ⁓ holy shit. And that is is conservative in my opinion, because because of the war, they couldn't distribute they couldn't distribute this to Europe. couldn't make those international buckets, ducats, ducats. So that would have been ducat. But yeah, that would have been it would have been even more. But they they couldn't get it distributed. Sean: Okay, that is ⁓ all 20 and now In-person participant 1: Okay, that is all 20 and now... Sean: favorite part of episode two of all of these you get one Andrea you are up first Michelle it's called you get one this is my this is my this is my note you get one this is a bullshit I because the movies that were made in the 40s In-person participant 1: Favorite part of episode 2 of all of these you get one Andrea you are up first. Why can't be first? forgot to confer first really good, but I don't think they are. Well, you already knew what my one Yeah, but I have a second. Okay hoping your one is my second. Okay, so Here's Michelle. It's called you get one. This is my this is my this is my note you get one. This is a bullshit I Because the movies that were made in the 40s And I know we can't go with like what our favorite was because it's supposed to be indicative of the 40s. Sean: And I know we can't go with like what our favorite was because it's supposed to be indicative of the 40s Give me your movie In-person participant 1: Give me your movie. Leave her to heaven with Gene Tierney. ⁓ This movie is fucking fantastic. Psychological thriller, ⁓ It's the first ⁓ film noir filmed in color. ⁓ Gene Tierney is fucking insane in this movie she has this quiet malevolence like all housed in this gorgeous funny stunning woman who's a psychopath it is it it's so good have you seen this she is from the minute she meets All of sudden I can't remember who the... It's not Danny Andrews, fuck. Who is it? ⁓ The minute she meets him on the train she becomes like obsessed with him and he's like, ⁓ hot damn, okay, you know everything, he's a writer. ⁓ But she's like, you remind me so much of my father who's dead. ⁓ And it's just like a little bit too much of you remind me so much of my father. This, so eventually like, and again, Vincent Price comes in as her fiance. saying she's like oh sorry you're here I'm marrying Richard and Richard's like I didn't know we were getting married but okay she they get married You've seen this scene where she is rowing out in the middle of a lake and she watches her brother-in-law drown He has polio. Okay. She's mad that they're stuck with him He's kind of like in that he's raising his brother. All right, and he's going to and she's just like staring at him like okay, cause then she gets rid of him. ⁓ She throws herself down a flight of stairs to miscarry the baby that she's pregnant with cause she doesn't want an evil little monster in her. Not that she thinks she's evil, she doesn't want, she frames her sister and her husband for her murder. She kills herself. Frames them because she realizes they're falling in love it is insane Were you thinking of Cornell wild yes Cornell wild thank you. Okay. It's yeah there. That's my movie. Leave her to heaven What would you remove this list? Yeah, go ahead and take it because then I gotta think of another one Sean: Frames them because she realizes they're falling in love. It is insane Where you think of thinking of Cornell wild? Yes, Cornell wild. Thank you. Okay. Yeah there that's my movie and what what would you remove from this list? Michelle was that your movie? No, ⁓ In-person participant 1: Go ahead. Okay, I'm... Michelle, was that your movie? No. ⁓ Rome Open City. ⁓ that's not what you were gonna say. Rome Open City. You would remove Rome Open City. I would. Sean: Rome Open City. You would remove Rome Open City. I would. Michelle, do you have one? I do. Michelle, do you have one? I do indeed. Okay. Hey, Michelle wins. Lost Weekend, 1945, Billy Wilder. In-person participant 1: Michelle, do you have one? I do indeed. do you have one? I do indeed. Okay. Okay, Miss ⁓ wins. Lost Weekend, 1945, Billy Wilder. I shouldn't have to defend it beyond this. It won Best Picture, Director, Actor, Adapted Screenplay, and is one of only four films to win what we refer to as the Palme d'Or, but is now again the Grand Prix at Cannes. which is this film Marty, Parasite, and Onura, which means it won the best there and it won the best here. It's so good. And I think, okay, so personally, pardon me, as the child of a mad alcoholic, this film spoke to me in a way and helped me understand things I did not understand about my father. But. upon rewatching it several times since the first time I watched it, there's just, there's a lot of nuance in this, in a film that has, that is overtly, it tells you what this is. Like there's not any sugarcoating, like what this person is that Don is an alcoholic, an alcoholic's alcoholic. He, he. He misses things, he loses things, he... But there's a lot of nuance in the relationship between himself and Helen, in the relationship between... ⁓ him and his brother ⁓ even his relationship with the the guy who owns the bar there's just i just feel like there's a lot of nuance in this and to note ⁓ that after billy wilder made double indemnity which we talked about with raymond chandler he desperately wanted to make this film because he wanted to understand raymond chandler who at the time was recovering questionable alcoholic he wanted he could not understand why Raymond Chandler did the things he did during their relationship of making Double Indemnity and so he he really was like quite interested in making this movie. They they they really filmed in they filmed parts of it in New York with hidden cameras so Ray Malin was literally walking down the street with amongst just regular New Yorkers so that they could capture the feel kind of the chaos and the and the being lost in a crowd of people, right? Just being like, and they were granted. So there's a scene scenes where they he ends up in Bellevue's alcoholic ward and they actually filmed those scenes in Bellevue in that alcoholic ward and no film since has ever been granted access access to actually film in the actual hospital. So, ⁓ and there's like great weird theremin in the soundtrack. don't know. Yeah. And when they originally aired, I'm sorry, I just love this movie so much. But they when they originally screened this movie, people laughed because the soundtrack that was originally attached to it was like upbeat jazz and whatever. And it did not match the mood of the film. So like he would do things like a drunk and people would think that was funny. So they wiped the soundtrack and put in a new soundtrack with a lot of the weird like theremin and whatever. And people were automatically just like, So you ever doubt like that movie music sometimes Can dictate really yeah, yeah take you where you should be going. Yeah, he pawns the coat that is the ⁓ God to buy booze and that's the thing that brought him and Helen together in the first place Jesus Christ anyway, Sean: What would you take off the list In-person participant 1: Listen Don's not a good person. He's I mean he's at his core. He wants to be but I don't think that he is I I got you. Sean: And so... understand. ⁓ Number one, so now we're voting. ⁓ Again, for top 10, ⁓ you already have So we have Lever to and The Lost Weekend ⁓ in the top 10. ⁓ And now I would a vote from each you on the rest of the movies. You only have eight slots left. Number one, Casablanca Andrea. In-person participant 1: No. Michelle? Yes. Number two, Citizen Kane, Michelle. Yes. Andrea. No. Woo! Number three, It's a Wonderful Life, Andrea? Yes. Michelle. Yes. Sean: No. Michelle? Yes. Number two, Citizen Kane, Michelle. Yes. Andrea. No. Woo. Number three, It's a Wonderful Life, Andrea? Yes. Michelle. Yes. Number four, His Girl Friday. Michelle. No. Andrea. No. Number five, Double Indemnity. Andrea. Yes. Michelle. Yes. In-person participant 1: Number four, His Girl Friday. Michelle. No. Andrea. No. Number five, Double Indemnity. Andrea. Yes. Michelle. Yes. Sean: Number six, the Maltese Falcon. Michelle. Yes. Andrea. No. Number seven, Rebecca. Andrea. You know, I originally had this as a yes. In-person participant 1: Number six, the Maltese Falcon. Michelle. Yes. Andrea. No. Number seven, Rebecca. Andrea. You know, I originally had this as a yes. I'm going to say no. Michelle also no. Number eight, the Philadelphia story. Michelle. Sean: I'm going to say no. Michelle. Also no. Number eight, the Philadelphia story. Michelle. Andrea? Same thing Michelle did. That's a no? No. With a groan and a no? Yes. Nine meet me in St. Louis, Andrea? In-person participant 1: Andrea? Same thing Michelle did. That's a no? No. With a groan and a no? Yes. Nine meet me in St. Louis, Andrea? Yes. Sean: Yes. This goes back to the core of my problem producing this podcast. And I'm not asking you to change your vote. I'm not asking anybody to, I'm just, in my own head, the movie is about the 1904 World's Fair. And does it represent the 1940s to someone who doesn't know? In-person participant 1: This goes back to the core of my problem producing this podcast. Sean: And that's a rhetorical question. saying in my own brain, I realize what I've done here. I think the color of it, the production value. That's why ⁓ I do realize that again, not asking you to change your vote. just Michelle. ⁓ out of the past, Michelle, no Andrea, no. The great dictator, Andrea. Yes. Michelle. Yes. In-person participant 1: And I'm not asking you to change your vote. I'm not asking anybody to. I'm just in my own head. The movie is about the 1904 World's Fair. And does it represent the 1940s to someone who doesn't know? And that's a rhetorical question. saying in my own brain, I realized what I've done here. I think the technical color of it, the production value. That's why I do realize that. OK, not asking you to change your mind, Michelle. No. Out of the past Michelle no Andrea no The Great Dictator Andrea yes Michelle yes Sean: The bicycle thief. ⁓ That's. ⁓ Michelle. Yes. Andrea. Yes. In-person participant 1: ⁓ Yes. ⁓ Yes. ⁓ Sean: Miracle on 34th Street Andrea. This hurts me but no. Michelle. No. Yeah I knew what that was going to be. Laura. Michelle. In-person participant 1: Miracle on 34th Street Andrea. Oh this hurts me but um but no. Michelle. No. It hurts. I knew what that was going to be. It hurts. Laura. Michelle. I have to say no because our both of our ones are in. It was originally on in my in my 10 but I have to say no. Andrea. Yes. Sean: Andrea? Yes. ⁓ In-person participant 1: But I get what you're saying there. Because you're probably going do that too, in a minute. Sean: And the third man Andrea no Michelle Notorious Michelle. Yes, Andrea. Yes Wow brief encounter Andrea Michelle Both sounds so resigned Fantasia Michelle And Andrea In-person participant 1: And the third man Andrea no Michelle no Notorious Michelle yes, Andrea. Yes ⁓ Wow brief encounter Andrea no Michelle Fantasia Michelle I already have 10 so I have to say no and Andrea I only have eight. No counting the two counting. No, sorry to get one. No, hold on. Hold on a second. Hold on. Give me just please. That's fine. Hold please. Sean: only have eight. Counting the two? No, on a second. In-person participant 1: I don't know, can't do math. But I can tell you that we have five yeses and five disagreements. A note of Fantasia. Sean: I don't know, I can't do math. But I can tell you that we have five yeses and five disagreements. No to Fantasia. In-person participant 1: Yeah, I do too. No to Fantasia, babe. So, number one, Casablanca, Andrea, Michelle, you're a yes, Andrea's a no. Why, actually, Andrea, why are you no? Sean: Yeah, I do too. No advantage of it. So, number one, Casablanca Andrea, Michelle, you're a yes, Andrea's a no. Why, actually, Andrea, why are you a no? In-person participant 1: Did you hear that little squeak? I did. Sean: I did. In-person participant 1: I think I... But the more I think about it, I'm like, that does strike me as very 40s. It is. And it's during the fucking war. Like, filmed and set during the war. It feels very 40s. If you said to me, Casablanca, what decade? 40s. Summs it up, I think one of the best Bogart performances ever. I will take it back. I will say yes to that. Sean: I think I, but the more I think about it, I'm like, that does strike me as very 40s. It is, and it's set during the fucking war. Like literally filmed and set during the war. It feels very 40s. If you said to me, Casablanca, what decade? 49, 40s, sums it up, I think one of the best Bogart performances ever. I will take it back. I will say yes to that. In-person participant 1: I will not give you Citizen Kane, so don't come to me for words, because that doesn't say 40s to me. Michelle, why does Citizen Kane speak 40s to you? You know what? I'll give on that, even though I think people will think we're fucking crazy. I know. ⁓ For a couple of reasons. ⁓ Sean: I will not give you Citizen Kane, so don't come to me for words, that doesn't say 40s to me. Michelle, why does Citizen Kane speak 40s to you? I'll give on that, even though I think people will think we're fucking crazy. I know. ⁓ For a couple of reasons, ⁓ it wasn't set then necessarily, and it wasn't popular until again until the 50s. Like people didn't. I mean, we're going to get fucking roasted for this, I I can see that. ⁓ In-person participant 1: It wasn't set then necessarily and it wasn't popular until again until the 50s like people didn't I mean we're gonna get fucking roasted for this, I I I concede that ⁓ Yeah, and I mean we talked about this too. I also don't agree that it's the best fucking movie of all time. Let alone being the best but it doesn't speak 40s to me and I can't tell you this. I agree with that. And I can see where somebody's saying, what about this? It just doesn't. You haven't somebody sign on this podcast. No, no, keeping with the does it represent the 40s, I guess I can say no. Okay. Sean: Okay, the next one ⁓ is Maltese Falcon Andrea said no Michelle said yes ⁓ Andrea, why are you a no? In-person participant 1: So the next one is the Maltese Falcon. Andrea said no. Michelle said ⁓ why are you a no? ⁓ Because I feel that there are other shameless movies that do a better job ⁓ representing the 40s. ⁓ That are on this list that are on this that you know what aren't even on this list aren't even on this list I just feel that I'm telling you my list sucks It's funny which you interpret With what I say, it's almost like you're 17 year old girl Sean: that are on this list. That are on this, you know what, aren't even on this list. Oh, oh, interesting. Aren't even on this list. just feel Again, them telling me my list sucks. It's funny, which you interpret with what I say. It's almost like you're 17 year old girl. In-person participant 1: So ⁓ no, I just, feel that there are better performances from everybody that's in this movie, but also this, ⁓ I will like, but ⁓ if this had been a movie in the thirties, I would have voted for it, but forties, not so much. I feel we're starting to get out of Seamus's and actually kind of take them another way. So this feels a little bit dated as odd as that sounds about a movie made in the forties. Sean: Michelle, your response? In-person participant 1: Michelle, your response? Fuck you, Andrea. I just, it's, and again, I know it's not about this, but it's so fucking iconic. It is? don't, ugh. Is there one that I said yes to that Michelle said no to because then I feel that should be where we I think ⁓ yeah the next one ⁓ Sean: Is there one that I said yes to that Michelle said no to because then I feel that should be where we... I think... Yeah, the next one. So Michelle, you're a no on Laura. In-person participant 1: So Michelle, you're a no on Laura. Yeah, but for the same kind of reason that Andrea originally said no to the Falcon. ⁓ And I would argue that if we're trying to do a full representation that we should take Meet Me in St. Louis. Instead that still leaves us with nine right one two five six seven eight so all I'll acquiesce on meet me in st. Louis So we add that okay, right? Okay, after yes on that and then we'll scratch Laura even though it's my top 25 well No, we don't have to because we still have room for one and I'm willing to give you that one, too You're willing to yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't like that. No, I'm not saying it cuz I ⁓ Sean: Instead that's the lead us with nine right that would be nine So I'll acquiesce on meeting St. Louis. So we add that. Right. Okay. I bring us on that and then we'll scratch the lower end. Even though it's my top 25. Well, no, we don't have to because we still have room for one and I'm willing to give you that one too. You're willing to. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. don't like that. No, I'm not saying it because like, go ahead and have your way. not saying that. can't. In-person participant 1: Unless tough unless we go back and both say yes on something like Miracle on 34 there's something because I feel like okay listen I know this isn't exactly the rules, but we have some film noir. We have some World War two. We don't have a lot of The reason I want Fantasia is because I don't feel like it represents the 40s it just was something spectacular made in the yeah, he's right so I, we can either have Laura or we can take ⁓ Miracle because it gives something different for us to debate. I'm good either way. What do think? Sean: I, ⁓ we can either have Laura or we can take ⁓ Miracle because it gives something different for us to debate. ⁓ I'm good either way. What do think? In-person participant 1: Now I need to watch Liebherd heaven. It's on our ⁓ plaques. Am I going to dump Laura for miracle? No, don't do that. let's do it. Laura. we go. OK, there you go, Sean. Sean: Miracle In-person participant 1: That's ten. Sean: That's 10. there we have it folks. Our top 10 with the two additions from You Get One, Leave Her to Heaven, The Lost Weekend, Casablanca, It's a Wonderful Life, Double Indemnity, Meet Me in St. Louis, The Great Dictator, The Bicycle Thief, Laura, Notorious. In-person participant 1: have it folks our top ten with the two editions of ⁓ from you one lever to heaven ⁓ the lost Casablanca, it's a wonderful life double indemnity meet me in st. Louis the great dictator the bicycle thief Laura Notorious ⁓ looking at list. I if you've listened to this whole episode I suggest you tune in next week ⁓ It's gonna nasty up in here. These two savages are gonna go for it. So If you did make it this far ⁓ Sean: Looking at this list, if you've listened to this whole episode, I suggest you tune in next week because it's going to get nasty up in here. These two savages are going to go for it. So ⁓ if you did make it this far, don't forget to like, follow, subscribe to show, leave us a comment or to hit us up on our socials. ⁓ Let's let's start a conversation. Andrea will probably come back at you with something if you do. Don't worry. ⁓ Just remember, we regret nothing.