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From Stagnation to Innovation: A Path Forward · The Living Conversation

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  Anthony.
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  I'm
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  Anthony
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  Wright,
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  and
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  this
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  is
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  the
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  Living
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  Conversation
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  on
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  Attunement.
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  And
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  I'm
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  here
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  with
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  my
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  host,
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  Adam
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  Dietz.
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  And
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  how
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  you
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  doing,
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  Adam?
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  I'm
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  doing
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  really
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  well.
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  I'm
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  doing
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  really
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  well.
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  Just,
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  you
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  know,
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  always
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  a
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  lot
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  going
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  on,
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  but
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  always
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  trying,
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  you
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  know,
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  to.
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  I'm
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  really
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  happy
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  to
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  be
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  here,
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  being
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  part
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  of
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  the
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  conversation.
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  Keep
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  cultivating
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  good
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  connections
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  and
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  keeping
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  human,
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  keeping
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  humane,
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  keeping
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  humanity.
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  Yeah.
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  So,
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  yeah,
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  I'm
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  doing
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  really
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  well,
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  you
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  know,
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  considering,
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  for
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  sure.
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  Considering.
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  Yeah.
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  I
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  wanted
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  to
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  reflect
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  what's
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  been
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  going
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  on
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  for
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  me,
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  and
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  I've
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  been
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  reflecting
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  kind
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  of
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  the
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  state
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  of
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  what's
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  going
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  on
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  in
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  the
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  world.
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  We're
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  in
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  late
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  July
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  of
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  2025,
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  and
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  it
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  seems
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  like
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  things
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  are
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  kind
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  of
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  stuck
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  and
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  stagnant.
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  And
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  I
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  came
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  across
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  an
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  image
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  in
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  Chinese
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  Philosophy
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  which
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  I
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  will
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  share
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  the
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  screen
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  and
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  also
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  for
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  our
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  viewers
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  speak
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  about.
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  This
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  is
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  the
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  hexagram
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  ghoul,
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  which
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  is
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  also
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  termed
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  decay.
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  And
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  the
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  image
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  is
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  of
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  a
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  bowl
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  of
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  food
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  that
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  was
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  stagnant
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  and
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  now
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  has
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  maggots
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  in
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  it.
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  And
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  you
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  can't
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  eat
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  food
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  like
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  that.
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  So
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  that's
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  the
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  image
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  that
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  you
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  can
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  see
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  on
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  the
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  screen
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  there.
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  But
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  I'll
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  come
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  back
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  here
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  and
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  I
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  would,
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  I,
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  I
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  will
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  refrain
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  from
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  saying
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  that
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  it's
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  because
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  of
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  people.
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  I'm
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  not
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  gonna
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  call
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  people
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  maggots
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  because
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  that's,
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  that's
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  not,
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  I
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  don't
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  want,
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  I'm
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  not
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  attacking
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  people,
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  but
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  it's
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  the
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  ideas
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  that
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  are
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  stagnant,
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  both
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  in
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  terms
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  of
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  creativity
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  and
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  some
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  of
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  the
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  political
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  ideas
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  that
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  are
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  being
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  offered.
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  And
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  I
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  think
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  in
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  an
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  earlier
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  session,
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  I
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  had
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  talked
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  about
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  what
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  some
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  of
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  the
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  political
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  influencers
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  are
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  talking
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  about
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  flooding
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  the
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  zone
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  with
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  crap.
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  And
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  one
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  of
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  the
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  ways
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  that
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  we
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  can
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  deal
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  with
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  that
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  is
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  become
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  treatment
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  plant
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  employees
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  and
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  understand
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  how
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  to
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  deal
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  with
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  the
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  flood
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  of
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  crap.
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  It's
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  simply
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  crap,
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  and
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  it
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  can
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  be
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  processed
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  for
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  fertilizer.
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  Back
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  to
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  this
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  idea
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  of
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  a
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  bowl
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  of
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  food
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  that
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  has
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  been
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  left
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  to
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  stagnate,
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  and
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  now
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  there
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  are
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  maggots
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  in
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  it.
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  We
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  got
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  to
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  clean
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  the
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  bowl.
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  And
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  I
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  had
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  just
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  played
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  for
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  you
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  before
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  we
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  came
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  on
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  the
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  Aaron
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  Sorkin
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  Newsroom
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  clip
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  with
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  Mel
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  Will
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  McAvoy
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  about
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  America
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  isn't
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  the
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  greatest
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  country
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  in
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  the
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  world
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  anymore.
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  And
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  one
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  of
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  the
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  things
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  he
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  says
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  in
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  closing,
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  that
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  is,
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  if
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  order
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  to
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  solve
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  a
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  problem,
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  we've
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  got
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  to
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  acknowledge
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  there
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  is
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  one.
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  So
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  to
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  say,
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  look,
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  you
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  know,
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  in
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  our
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  food,
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  in
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  our,
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  our,
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  our
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  sacred
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  ideas,
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  they've
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  gotten
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  kind
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  of
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  stagnant.
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  And
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  there
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  are
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  those
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  of
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  us
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  who
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  have
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  kind
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  of
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  taken
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  for
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  granted
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  what's
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  been
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  happening
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  for
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  the
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  last
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  40
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  years
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  about
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  that.
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  We're
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  right.
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  And
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  it's
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  just.
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  That's
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  the
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  way
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  that
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  it's
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  supposed
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  to
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  be.
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  And
• 3:37
  that's
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  gotten
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  kind
• 3:38
  of
• 3:38
  stagnant
• 3:38
  and
• 3:38
  we
• 3:39
  haven't
• 3:39
  refreshed
• 3:40
  it,
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  and
• 3:41
  now
• 3:42
  there's
• 3:42
  maggots
• 3:42
  in
• 3:43
  it.
• 3:43
  So
• 3:44
  we've
• 3:44
  got
• 3:44
  to
• 3:45
  clean
• 3:46
  the
• 3:46
  bowl
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  and
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  to
• 3:48
  say,
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  okay,
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  to
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  call.
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  To
• 3:50
  call
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  it
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  what
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  it
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  is,
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  you
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  know,
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  that.
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  But
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  that
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  ideas
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  that
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  are
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  not
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  humane
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  are
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  poisonous.
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  And
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  to
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  say.
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  And
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  to
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  continue
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  to
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  refresh
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  our
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  joy
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  in
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  being
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  in
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  this
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  country
• 4:11
  that's
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  a
• 4:12
  country
• 4:12
  of
• 4:12
  immigrants,
• 4:13
  that's
• 4:13
  a
• 4:13
  country
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  of
• 4:14
  ideas,
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  and
• 4:17
  to
• 4:17
  continue
• 4:17
  to
• 4:18
  refresh
• 4:18
  that.
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  And
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  I
• 4:20
  wanted.
• 4:20
  We
• 4:21
  talked
• 4:21
  before
• 4:21
  we
• 4:21
  came
• 4:22
  on
• 4:22
  the
• 4:22
  air
• 4:22
  here
• 4:22
  about
• 4:23
  there's
• 4:24
  been
• 4:24
  an
• 4:24
  error
• 4:25
  with
• 4:26
  people
• 4:27
  conflating
• 4:27
  this
• 4:28
  term
• 4:28
  of
• 4:28
  liberal
• 4:30
  with
• 4:30
  some
• 4:30
  sort
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  of
• 4:31
  political
• 4:31
  ideology.
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  And
• 4:33
  that
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  there
• 4:36
  may
• 4:36
  be
• 4:37
  a
• 4:37
  political
• 4:38
  ideology
• 4:38
  that's
• 4:39
  liberal,
• 4:40
  but
• 4:41
  in,
• 4:41
  in
• 4:42
  an
• 4:42
  educational
• 4:43
  sense,
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  this
• 4:44
  idea
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  of
• 4:45
  liberal
• 4:46
  means
• 4:47
  independent
• 4:47
  thinking,
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  means
• 4:49
  broad
• 4:50
  based
• 4:50
  education,
• 4:52
  means
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  experience
• 4:55
  with
• 4:56
  philosophy
• 4:56
  and
• 4:57
  art
• 4:57
  and
• 4:57
  theater
• 4:57
  and
• 4:58
  dance
• 4:58
  and
• 4:59
  athletics
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  and
• 5:01
  all
• 5:02
  of
• 5:02
  the
• 5:02
  STEM
• 5:02
  fields.
• 5:03
  To
• 5:03
  have
• 5:03
  a
• 5:03
  broad
• 5:03
  education
• 5:05
  that's
• 5:05
  broader
• 5:06
  than
• 5:06
  simply
• 5:07
  a,
• 5:09
  A
• 5:10
  vocational
• 5:10
  trade.
• 5:10
  And
• 5:11
  not
• 5:11
  to
• 5:11
  say
• 5:11
  that
• 5:11
  there's
• 5:12
  anything
• 5:12
  wrong
• 5:12
  with
• 5:12
  that,
• 5:12
  because
• 5:13
  I've
• 5:13
  been
• 5:13
  a
• 5:13
  piano
• 5:13
  technician
• 5:14
  now
• 5:15
  55
• 5:15
  years,
• 5:16
  and
• 5:16
  yet
• 5:17
  I
• 5:17
  think
• 5:17
  it's
• 5:18
  important
• 5:18
  to
• 5:19
  have
• 5:19
  a
• 5:19
  broad
• 5:20
  education
• 5:22
  for
• 5:22
  the
• 5:23
  public
• 5:23
  because
• 5:23
  that's
• 5:24
  one
• 5:24
  of
• 5:24
  the
• 5:24
  reasons
• 5:25
  why
• 5:25
  our
• 5:25
  Department
• 5:26
  of
• 5:26
  Education
• 5:27
  and
• 5:28
  this
• 5:28
  idea
• 5:28
  that
• 5:29
  everybody
• 5:29
  in
• 5:30
  the
• 5:30
  country
• 5:30
  ought
• 5:30
  to
• 5:30
  be
• 5:30
  able
• 5:31
  to
• 5:31
  read,
• 5:31
  they
• 5:32
  ought
• 5:32
  to
• 5:32
  be
• 5:32
  able
• 5:32
  to
• 5:32
  do
• 5:33
  relatively
• 5:34
  simple
• 5:34
  math
• 5:35
  and
• 5:35
  they
• 5:35
  ought
• 5:35
  to
• 5:35
  be
• 5:36
  able
• 5:36
  to
• 5:36
  write.
• 5:37
  But
• 5:37
  that
• 5:38
  brings
• 5:38
  us
• 5:38
  together
• 5:39
  as
• 5:39
  a
• 5:39
  country
• 5:40
  and
• 5:41
  to
• 5:43
  say,
• 5:44
  oh,
• 5:44
  everything
• 5:45
  is
• 5:45
  corrupt.
• 5:46
  You
• 5:46
  know,
• 5:46
  it's
• 5:47
  all
• 5:47
  crap.
• 5:49
  Well,
• 5:49
  that's
• 5:49
  the
• 5:49
  maggots
• 5:50
  in
• 5:50
  the
• 5:50
  bowl.
• 5:50
  And
• 5:50
  that's
• 5:51
  some
• 5:51
  ideas
• 5:52
  that
• 5:52
  are
• 5:52
  poisonous.
• 5:54
  So
• 5:56
  that's
• 5:57
  part
• 5:57
  of
• 5:57
  the
• 5:57
  image
• 5:57
  that
• 5:58
  I've
• 5:58
  been
• 5:58
  working
• 5:59
  with
• 5:59
  this
• 5:59
  morning.
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  And
• 6:00
  it
• 6:00
  seems.
• 6:01
  It
• 6:02
  seems
• 6:02
  resonant.
• 6:03
  Does
• 6:03
  that
• 6:03
  seem
• 6:04
  to
• 6:04
  make
• 6:04
  some
• 6:04
  sense
• 6:04
  to
• 6:04
  you?
• 6:05
  Yeah,
• 6:06
  it
• 6:06
  makes
• 6:06
  a
• 6:06
  lot
• 6:06
  of
• 6:06
  sense.
• 6:07
  A
• 6:07
  lot
• 6:07
  of
• 6:07
  things
• 6:07
  come
• 6:08
  up
• 6:08
  as
• 6:08
  you're
• 6:08
  speaking
• 6:08
  about
• 6:09
  that,
• 6:09
  for
• 6:09
  sure.
• 6:09
  And
• 6:10
  I
• 6:10
  know
• 6:10
  there's
• 6:10
  also
• 6:11
  an
• 6:11
  imagery
• 6:11
  in
• 6:14
  Chinese
• 6:14
  philosophy
• 6:15
  that
• 6:15
  has
• 6:16
  to
• 6:16
  do
• 6:16
  with
• 6:16
  that.
• 6:17
  A
• 6:17
  pool.
• 6:18
  It
• 6:18
  can
• 6:19
  be
• 6:19
  stagnant.
• 6:19
  It
• 6:19
  needs
• 6:20
  fresh
• 6:20
  water
• 6:20
  to
• 6:20
  come
• 6:21
  in.
• 6:21
  Yeah.
• 6:21
  So
• 6:22
  that's
• 6:22
  when
• 6:22
  you
• 6:22
  said
• 6:23
  nation
• 6:23
  of
• 6:23
  immigrants.
• 6:23
  It's
• 6:24
  like,
• 6:24
  man,
• 6:25
  that
• 6:25
  is
• 6:25
  what
• 6:25
  made
• 6:25
  us
• 6:26
  amazing.
• 6:27
  All
• 6:27
  these
• 6:27
  immigrants
• 6:28
  then
• 6:28
  they
• 6:28
  all
• 6:28
  had.
• 6:28
  They
• 6:29
  all
• 6:29
  had
• 6:29
  to
• 6:29
  deal
• 6:29
  with
• 6:29
  the
• 6:29
  same
• 6:30
  kind
• 6:30
  of
• 6:30
  crap
• 6:31
  that
• 6:32
  this
• 6:32
  generation
• 6:33
  of
• 6:33
  immigrants
• 6:33
  are
• 6:33
  having
• 6:33
  to
• 6:34
  deal
• 6:34
  with
• 6:34
  to
• 6:34
  varying
• 6:34
  degrees.
• 6:36
  But
• 6:36
  they
• 6:36
  all
• 6:36
  just
• 6:37
  kicked
• 6:37
  ass,
• 6:38
  man.
• 6:38
  Each
• 6:38
  generation
• 6:39
  of
• 6:39
  immigrants,
• 6:39
  Irish,
• 6:40
  German,
• 6:41
  of
• 6:41
  course,
• 6:41
  you
• 6:41
  know,
• 6:41
  British.
• 6:43
  And
• 6:43
  we
• 6:43
  have
• 6:44
  to
• 6:44
  acknowledge
• 6:44
  the
• 6:44
  wisdom
• 6:45
  of
• 6:45
  the
• 6:45
  Native
• 6:45
  Americans.
• 6:46
  Yeah,
• 6:46
  yeah.
• 6:47
  They're
• 6:48
  saying,
• 6:48
  how
• 6:48
  can
• 6:48
  you
• 6:48
  own
• 6:49
  land?
• 6:49
  Yeah,
• 6:50
  no,
• 6:50
  that's
• 6:51
  right.
• 6:51
  When
• 6:51
  I
• 6:51
  was
• 6:51
  speaking,
• 6:52
  I
• 6:52
  was
• 6:52
  thinking
• 6:52
  about,
• 6:53
  I
• 6:53
  was
• 6:54
  thinking
• 6:54
  about,
• 6:54
  man,
• 6:54
  that's
• 6:55
  the.
• 6:56
  Speaking
• 6:56
  of
• 6:56
  not
• 6:57
  being
• 6:57
  the
• 6:57
  greatest
• 6:57
  country,
• 6:58
  we
• 6:59
  can
• 6:59
  never,
• 7:00
  never
• 7:00
  reach
• 7:01
  our
• 7:01
  potential
• 7:01
  unless
• 7:01
  we
• 7:02
  first
• 7:02
  acknowledge
• 7:02
  the
• 7:03
  two
• 7:03
  original
• 7:03
  sins
• 7:04
  of,
• 7:04
  of
• 7:04
  our,
• 7:05
  our
• 7:05
  country,
• 7:05
  the
• 7:06
  Native
• 7:06
  Americans
• 7:06
  and
• 7:06
  the
• 7:07
  African
• 7:07
  American.
• 7:08
  Just,
• 7:08
  just,
• 7:08
  just.
• 7:09
  We
• 7:10
  can
• 7:10
  never
• 7:10
  do
• 7:10
  enough
• 7:11
  to
• 7:11
  make
• 7:12
  up
• 7:12
  for
• 7:12
  that.
• 7:13
  And
• 7:13
  remember
• 7:14
  the
• 7:14
  word
• 7:15
  sin
• 7:15
  in,
• 7:16
  In.
• 7:16
  I
• 7:17
  believe
• 7:17
  it's
• 7:17
  in
• 7:17
  Greek,
• 7:18
  means
• 7:18
  just
• 7:18
  to
• 7:18
  miss
• 7:18
  the
• 7:19
  point.
• 7:20
  And
• 7:20
  it's
• 7:21
  that
• 7:21
  we,
• 7:22
  many
• 7:23
  people
• 7:23
  coming
• 7:23
  to
• 7:23
  this
• 7:23
  country
• 7:24
  were
• 7:24
  inhumane
• 7:25
  with
• 7:25
  its
• 7:26
  Native
• 7:26
  occupants.
• 7:27
  Exactly
• 7:27
  the
• 7:28
  exact
• 7:28
  same
• 7:28
  thing
• 7:28
  about
• 7:28
  the
• 7:29
  humanity
• 7:29
  was
• 7:29
  the
• 7:29
  missing,
• 7:30
  the
• 7:30
  missing
• 7:30
  part
• 7:31
  there.
• 7:31
  And
• 7:31
  can
• 7:32
  you
• 7:32
  imagine
• 7:32
  how
• 7:32
  beautiful
• 7:33
  this
• 7:33
  country
• 7:33
  would
• 7:34
  have
• 7:34
  been
• 7:34
  if
• 7:34
  we
• 7:34
  preserved
• 7:35
  Native
• 7:35
  American
• 7:35
  culture
• 7:36
  and
• 7:36
  just
• 7:36
  kind
• 7:37
  of
• 7:37
  built
• 7:37
  around
• 7:37
  it
• 7:38
  and,
• 7:38
  and
• 7:38
  integrated
• 7:39
  it
• 7:39
  and
• 7:39
  weaved
• 7:40
  through
• 7:40
  it
• 7:40
  and
• 7:40
  we
• 7:40
  had
• 7:41
  vi.
• 7:41
  Vibrant
• 7:41
  Native
• 7:42
  communities
• 7:42
  that
• 7:42
  were
• 7:42
  still
• 7:43
  all
• 7:43
  throughout
• 7:43
  this
• 7:43
  land.
• 7:44
  And
• 7:44
  that
• 7:44
  would
• 7:45
  be
• 7:45
  just
• 7:45
  incredible
• 7:46
  if
• 7:46
  there
• 7:46
  were
• 7:46
  me
• 7:46
  walks
• 7:47
  out
• 7:47
  my
• 7:47
  window
• 7:47
  that
• 7:48
  were
• 7:48
  integrating
• 7:49
  modernity
• 7:50
  as
• 7:50
  at
• 7:51
  their
• 7:51
  choice
• 7:51
  and
• 7:52
  living
• 7:52
  their
• 7:52
  traditional
• 7:53
  lifestyle
• 7:53
  at
• 7:53
  their
• 7:53
  choice.
• 7:54
  It's
• 7:54
  coming
• 7:55
  back,
• 7:55
  you
• 7:55
  know,
• 7:55
  vibrant.
• 7:56
  Would
• 7:56
  that
• 7:56
  have
• 7:56
  been?
• 7:56
  But
• 7:57
  yeah,
• 7:57
  so,
• 7:58
  you
• 7:58
  know,
• 7:59
  humanity
• 7:59
  is
• 8:00
  the
• 8:00
  key,
• 8:00
  right?
• 8:01
  For
• 8:02
  every
• 8:02
  generation.
• 8:03
  For
• 8:03
  every
• 8:03
  generation.
• 8:04
  And
• 8:04
  as
• 8:04
  you
• 8:05
  were
• 8:05
  speaking,
• 8:06
  the
• 8:06
  one.
• 8:06
  This
• 8:06
  image
• 8:07
  of
• 8:07
  a
• 8:07
  stagnated
• 8:08
  pool
• 8:08
  came
• 8:09
  to
• 8:09
  me
• 8:09
  from
• 8:09
  Chinese
• 8:09
  philosophy
• 8:10
  where
• 8:10
  you
• 8:10
  need
• 8:11
  fresh
• 8:11
  water.
• 8:12
  The
• 8:13
  immigrants
• 8:13
  have
• 8:13
  always
• 8:13
  been
• 8:14
  the
• 8:14
  fresh
• 8:14
  water
• 8:15
  innovators,
• 8:16
  hard
• 8:17
  workers
• 8:17
  that
• 8:18
  come
• 8:18
  to
• 8:18
  the
• 8:18
  country.
• 8:18
  They
• 8:19
  love
• 8:19
  it
• 8:19
  more
• 8:19
  than
• 8:19
  anyone.
• 8:20
  They
• 8:20
  came
• 8:20
  here
• 8:20
  through
• 8:21
  great
• 8:21
  trial
• 8:21
  and
• 8:21
  tribulation
• 8:22
  to
• 8:23
  talk
• 8:23
  about
• 8:24
  wanting
• 8:24
  to
• 8:24
  make
• 8:24
  a
• 8:24
  country
• 8:25
  great.
• 8:25
  They
• 8:25
  came
• 8:26
  here
• 8:26
  with
• 8:26
  the
• 8:27
  hopes
• 8:27
  and
• 8:27
  dreams
• 8:27
  like
• 8:27
  Statue
• 8:28
  of
• 8:28
  Liberty,
• 8:29
  you
• 8:29
  know.
• 8:29
  Right,
• 8:30
  right.
• 8:31
  I
• 8:31
  definitely
• 8:32
  hear
• 8:32
  what
• 8:32
  you're
• 8:33
  saying,
• 8:33
  man.
• 8:33
  For
• 8:33
  sure,
• 8:33
  there's,
• 8:34
  and
• 8:34
  there's
• 8:34
  a
• 8:34
  few
• 8:34
  other
• 8:34
  things
• 8:34
  that
• 8:35
  come
• 8:35
  up,
• 8:35
  but
• 8:35
  that's
• 8:35
  the
• 8:35
  one
• 8:35
  thing
• 8:36
  that
• 8:36
  image
• 8:37
  was.
• 8:37
  The
• 8:37
  image.
• 8:38
  Well,
• 8:38
  just
• 8:38
  the
• 8:38
  other
• 8:38
  thing
• 8:38
  that
• 8:39
  came
• 8:39
  up
• 8:39
  was,
• 8:39
  was,
• 8:39
  you
• 8:40
  know,
• 8:41
  so
• 8:42
  much
• 8:42
  that
• 8:42
  came
• 8:43
  up
• 8:43
  under
• 8:44
  FDR
• 8:45
  was
• 8:45
  about
• 8:46
  helping
• 8:47
  people
• 8:47
  be
• 8:48
  more
• 8:48
  humane,
• 8:49
  having,
• 8:49
  having.
• 8:50
  A
• 8:52
  vibrant
• 8:52
  conversation,
• 8:53
  social
• 8:54
  safety
• 8:54
  net,
• 8:54
  you
• 8:55
  know.
• 8:55
  Well,
• 8:55
  I'm
• 8:55
  thinking
• 8:56
  about
• 8:56
  right
• 8:56
  now
• 8:56
  our
• 8:56
  living
• 8:57
  conversation.
• 8:58
  FDR
• 8:59
  wanted,
• 9:00
  wanted
• 9:00
  this,
• 9:01
  the
• 9:01
  country
• 9:01
  to
• 9:02
  have
• 9:02
  a
• 9:03
  vibrant
• 9:03
  conversation,
• 9:04
  that
• 9:04
  it
• 9:04
  wasn't
• 9:05
  pulled
• 9:06
  too
• 9:06
  much
• 9:06
  one
• 9:06
  way
• 9:06
  or
• 9:07
  another.
• 9:07
  There
• 9:07
  were
• 9:07
  a
• 9:07
  lot
• 9:07
  of
• 9:08
  media
• 9:08
  standards
• 9:10
  and,
• 9:10
  and
• 9:10
  you,
• 9:10
  you
• 9:11
  could
• 9:11
  go
• 9:11
  on,
• 9:12
  you
• 9:12
  probably
• 9:12
  remember
• 9:13
  this
• 9:13
  better
• 9:13
  than
• 9:13
  me,
• 9:13
  but
• 9:14
  you
• 9:14
  could
• 9:14
  go
• 9:14
  on
• 9:15
  and,
• 9:15
  and
• 9:15
  watch
• 9:16
  like
• 9:16
  Noam
• 9:16
  Chomsky
• 9:17
  on
• 9:18
  public
• 9:18
  TV
• 9:18
  on
• 9:19
  ABC
• 9:19
  on
• 9:20
  a
• 9:20
  Sunday
• 9:20
  morning,
• 9:20
  debate
• 9:21
  against,
• 9:21
  you're
• 9:21
  talking
• 9:22
  about
• 9:22
  very
• 9:22
  far
• 9:23
  left
• 9:24
  type
• 9:24
  of
• 9:24
  thinker
• 9:25
  to
• 9:25
  Debate
• 9:26
  against
• 9:26
  a
• 9:26
  very
• 9:27
  doll.
• 9:28
  And
• 9:29
  these
• 9:29
  are,
• 9:29
  and
• 9:29
  these
• 9:29
  are
• 9:30
  people
• 9:30
  with
• 9:30
  sincerity,
• 9:31
  with
• 9:32
  humanity,
• 9:32
  for
• 9:33
  the
• 9:33
  most
• 9:33
  part.
• 9:33
  For
• 9:34
  the
• 9:34
  most
• 9:34
  part
• 9:34
  debating
• 9:35
  about
• 9:35
  how
• 9:35
  to
• 9:35
  make
• 9:36
  the
• 9:36
  country
• 9:36
  great.
• 9:37
  Not,
• 9:38
  not
• 9:39
  just
• 9:39
  lowest
• 9:40
  common
• 9:40
  denominator
• 9:41
  stuff,
• 9:42
  demonizing
• 9:43
  other
• 9:43
  people,
• 9:43
  inhumane
• 9:44
  conversation.
• 9:45
  Absolutely.
• 9:46
  Big
• 9:46
  time
• 9:46
  decay
• 9:47
  from
• 9:47
  that
• 9:47
  to
• 9:47
  now,
• 9:48
  for
• 9:48
  sure.
• 9:48
  Right.
• 9:48
  Yeah.
• 9:49
  I
• 9:49
  remember
• 9:49
  you
• 9:49
  were
• 9:49
  talking
• 9:50
  about
• 9:52
  people
• 9:52
  who
• 9:53
  are
• 9:54
  engaged
• 9:54
  in
• 9:55
  low
• 9:55
  effort
• 9:56
  thinking.
• 9:56
  And
• 9:57
  it's
• 9:57
  not
• 9:57
  to
• 9:58
  say
• 9:58
  that
• 9:58
  the
• 9:59
  people
• 9:59
  are
• 9:59
  bad,
• 10:00
  it's
• 10:01
  just
• 10:01
  that
• 10:03
  to
• 10:03
  develop
• 10:04
  actually
• 10:05
  the
• 10:05
  joy
• 10:06
  of
• 10:07
  thinking
• 10:08
  deeply.
• 10:09
  Right.
• 10:09
  Which
• 10:10
  is
• 10:10
  present.
• 10:10
  I
• 10:11
  think
• 10:11
  it's
• 10:11
  possible.
• 10:12
  And
• 10:12
  also
• 10:13
  I
• 10:13
  can
• 10:13
  say
• 10:14
  as
• 10:14
  a
• 10:14
  tradesman,
• 10:15
  the
• 10:15
  joy
• 10:16
  of
• 10:16
  practicing
• 10:16
  a
• 10:17
  trade.
• 10:18
  You
• 10:18
  know,
• 10:19
  for
• 10:19
  me
• 10:19
  to,
• 10:20
  to
• 10:20
  bring
• 10:20
  a
• 10:20
  piano
• 10:21
  to
• 10:23
  transparency
• 10:24
  with
• 10:24
  its,
• 10:25
  with
• 10:25
  its
• 10:26
  beautiful
• 10:26
  sound,
• 10:27
  or
• 10:28
  for
• 10:28
  a
• 10:29
  gardener
• 10:29
  to
• 10:30
  bring
• 10:31
  forth
• 10:31
  beautiful
• 10:31
  food
• 10:32
  or
• 10:32
  for
• 10:34
  a
• 10:34
  plumber
• 10:34
  to
• 10:34
  make
• 10:36
  the
• 10:36
  plumbing
• 10:37
  in
• 10:37
  a
• 10:37
  home
• 10:37
  work
• 10:39
  special
• 10:40
  things,
• 10:40
  you
• 10:40
  know.
• 10:40
  Your
• 10:41
  education
• 10:41
  and
• 10:41
  your
• 10:41
  human
• 10:42
  feeling
• 10:43
  doesn't
• 10:43
  make
• 10:43
  it
• 10:44
  better.
• 10:44
  Even
• 10:44
  better,
• 10:45
  the
• 10:45
  more
• 10:45
  you
• 10:45
  learn,
• 10:45
  doesn't
• 10:46
  it
• 10:46
  make
• 10:46
  your
• 10:46
  piano
• 10:46
  tuning
• 10:47
  even
• 10:47
  more
• 10:47
  interesting?
• 10:49
  Yeah.
• 10:50
  And
• 10:50
  I
• 10:50
  have
• 10:50
  to
• 10:50
  say,
• 10:50
  the
• 10:51
  piano
• 10:51
  God
• 10:51
  has
• 10:51
  taught
• 10:52
  me
• 10:52
  an
• 10:52
  awful
• 10:52
  lot
• 10:53
  about,
• 10:53
  about
• 10:54
  how
• 10:54
  the
• 10:54
  cosmos
• 10:55
  works,
• 10:55
  not
• 10:55
  only
• 10:56
  about
• 10:56
  the
• 10:56
  instruments,
• 10:57
  but
• 10:57
  about
• 10:58
  where
• 10:58
  they
• 10:59
  are,
• 11:00
  you
• 11:00
  know,
• 11:00
  whose
• 11:01
  home
• 11:01
  they're
• 11:01
  in,
• 11:02
  and,
• 11:03
  and
• 11:03
  then
• 11:04
  the
• 11:04
  emotional,
• 11:08
  the
• 11:08
  emotional
• 11:09
  state
• 11:09
  of
• 11:09
  the
• 11:10
  owner
• 11:11
  and
• 11:11
  it
• 11:12
  seems
• 11:12
  to
• 11:12
  be
• 11:12
  reflected
• 11:13
  in
• 11:13
  the
• 11:13
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  There
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  the
• 11:16
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• 11:16
  Robert
• 11:17
  Bly
• 11:17
  talked
• 11:17
  about
• 11:18
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  about
• 11:19
  how,
• 11:21
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• 11:22
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• 11:22
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• 11:22
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• 11:22
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• 11:23
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• 11:23
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• 11:23
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• 11:23
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• 11:23
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• 11:24
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• 11:24
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• 11:24
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• 11:25
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• 11:25
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• 11:26
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• 11:26
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• 11:26
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• 11:27
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• 11:28
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• 11:28
  the
• 11:29
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• 11:30
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• 11:30
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• 11:30
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• 11:31
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• 11:32
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• 11:32
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• 11:33
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• 11:33
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• 11:34
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• 11:34
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• 11:35
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  You
• 11:36
  know,
• 11:37
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• 11:37
  that
• 11:37
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• 11:37
  to
• 11:38
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• 11:38
  sense
• 11:38
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• 11:38
  an
• 11:38
  allegorical
• 11:39
  way.
• 11:40
  But,
• 11:43
  but
• 11:43
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• 11:44
  I'm,
• 11:44
  I'm,
• 11:44
  I'm
• 11:44
  grateful
• 11:45
  for
• 11:45
  us
• 11:45
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• 11:45
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• 11:45
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• 11:46
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• 11:46
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• 11:46
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• 11:46
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• 11:47
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• 11:47
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• 11:48
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• 11:48
  a
• 11:49
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• 11:49
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• 11:49
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• 11:50
  I
• 11:50
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• 11:50
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• 11:50
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• 11:51
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• 11:51
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• 11:52
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• 11:52
  one.
• 11:52
  And
• 11:54
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• 11:54
  in
• 11:55
  our
• 11:55
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• 11:57
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• 11:57
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• 11:58
  where
• 11:58
  we're
• 11:58
  starting
• 11:58
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• 11:59
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• 11:59
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• 12:00
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• 12:01
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• 12:01
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• 12:01
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• 12:03
  And,
• 12:04
  you
• 12:04
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• 12:07
  so.
• 12:10
  You
• 12:11
  mentioned
• 12:12
  low
• 12:12
  effort
• 12:12
  thinking.
• 12:13
  So
• 12:13
  there's
• 12:14
  also
• 12:14
  a
• 12:14
  good
• 12:15
  we,
• 12:15
  you
• 12:15
  and
• 12:15
  I
• 12:15
  talk
• 12:16
  about
• 12:16
  all
• 12:16
  the
• 12:16
  time.
• 12:16
  Taoism,
• 12:17
  Lao
• 12:17
  Tzu.
• 12:18
  It's
• 12:18
  good
• 12:19
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• 12:19
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• 12:19
  let
• 12:19
  your
• 12:20
  mind
• 12:20
  settle,
• 12:20
  relax,
• 12:22
  not
• 12:22
  have
• 12:22
  not.
• 12:23
  I'd
• 12:23
  be
• 12:23
  strained.
• 12:23
  I
• 12:24
  have
• 12:24
  effort.
• 12:24
  But
• 12:25
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• 12:25
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• 12:25
  you
• 12:25
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• 12:26
  you
• 12:26
  know,
• 12:27
  active
• 12:27
  side
• 12:28
  and
• 12:28
  a
• 12:29
  restful
• 12:29
  side.
• 12:30
  So
• 12:30
  sometimes
• 12:30
  we
• 12:30
  all
• 12:31
  need
• 12:31
  low
• 12:31
  effort
• 12:31
  thinking.
• 12:32
  But
• 12:32
  when
• 12:32
  we're,
• 12:33
  when
• 12:33
  we're
• 12:33
  going
• 12:34
  to
• 12:34
  important
• 12:35
  issues,
• 12:35
  we
• 12:35
  want
• 12:36
  to
• 12:36
  have
• 12:36
  really
• 12:37
  cultivated
• 12:37
  mind
• 12:38
  that
• 12:38
  can
• 12:38
  contemplate
• 12:39
  the
• 12:39
  deeper,
• 12:40
  the
• 12:40
  deeper
• 12:41
  issues,
• 12:42
  that
• 12:42
  can
• 12:42
  remember
• 12:43
  humanity,
• 12:44
  that
• 12:44
  can
• 12:44
  remember
• 12:44
  the
• 12:45
  most
• 12:45
  important
• 12:45
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• 12:45
  of
• 12:46
  being
• 12:46
  a
• 12:46
  human
• 12:46
  being,
• 12:47
  that
• 12:47
  have
• 12:47
  wisdom.
• 12:48
  So
• 12:48
  there's
• 12:49
  two
• 12:49
  sides
• 12:49
  to
• 12:49
  it.
• 12:49
  Yes.
• 12:50
  We
• 12:50
  all
• 12:50
  need
• 12:50
  low
• 12:51
  effort
• 12:51
  thinking.
• 12:51
  We
• 12:51
  all,
• 12:52
  we
• 12:52
  all
• 12:52
  want
• 12:52
  to
• 12:53
  come
• 12:53
  home
• 12:53
  and
• 12:54
  shut
• 12:54
  down
• 12:54
  our
• 12:54
  brains.
• 12:55
  Brains.
• 12:55
  And
• 12:55
  watch
• 12:55
  a
• 12:55
  really
• 12:56
  stupid
• 12:56
  television
• 12:56
  show.
• 12:57
  We
• 12:57
  all
• 12:58
  want
• 12:58
  that.
• 12:58
  I
• 12:58
  mean,
• 12:59
  to
• 12:59
  some
• 12:59
  extent,
• 12:59
  everyone
• 13:00
  wants
• 13:00
  to
• 13:00
  shut
• 13:00
  down
• 13:00
  their
• 13:00
  brains
• 13:01
  one
• 13:01
  way
• 13:01
  or
• 13:02
  another.
• 13:02
  Maybe
• 13:02
  you're.
• 13:03
  Maybe
• 13:03
  yours
• 13:03
  is
• 13:03
  watching
• 13:04
  a
• 13:05
  reality
• 13:05
  show.
• 13:05
  Maybe
• 13:06
  yours
• 13:06
  is
• 13:07
  reading
• 13:07
  a
• 13:07
  book.
• 13:07
  Maybe
• 13:08
  yours
• 13:08
  is
• 13:08
  playing
• 13:08
  guitar.
• 13:09
  We
• 13:09
  all
• 13:09
  want
• 13:10
  to
• 13:10
  relax.
• 13:11
  Enough
• 13:12
  going
• 13:12
  on.
• 13:12
  So
• 13:13
  we
• 13:13
  all
• 13:13
  want
• 13:13
  low
• 13:13
  effort
• 13:14
  thinking,
• 13:14
  but
• 13:14
  not
• 13:15
  in
• 13:15
  how
• 13:16
  to
• 13:16
  structure
• 13:16
  our
• 13:17
  society.
• 13:17
  We
• 13:17
  should
• 13:18
  have
• 13:18
  a
• 13:18
  concerned
• 13:19
  mind
• 13:19
  for
• 13:19
  everyone.
• 13:20
  How
• 13:20
  to
• 13:20
  make
• 13:21
  our
• 13:21
  country
• 13:21
  great
• 13:21
  is
• 13:22
  not
• 13:22
  low
• 13:22
  effort
• 13:23
  thinking.
• 13:23
  We
• 13:23
  need
• 13:23
  to
• 13:24
  make
• 13:24
  a
• 13:24
  great
• 13:25
  effort
• 13:25
  together.
• 13:26
  Then
• 13:26
  we
• 13:26
  decide
• 13:27
  together
• 13:27
  how
• 13:27
  to
• 13:28
  make
• 13:28
  our
• 13:28
  country
• 13:28
  more
• 13:29
  human.
• 13:30
  If
• 13:30
  all
• 13:31
  of
• 13:31
  us
• 13:31
  are
• 13:31
  better,
• 13:32
  then
• 13:32
  our
• 13:33
  country
• 13:33
  will
• 13:33
  be
• 13:33
  better.
• 13:34
  You
• 13:34
  don't
• 13:35
  make
• 13:35
  people
• 13:36
  worse
• 13:36
  to
• 13:36
  have
• 13:36
  a
• 13:36
  better
• 13:37
  country.
• 13:37
  You
• 13:37
  don't
• 13:38
  hurt
• 13:38
  people
• 13:38
  to
• 13:38
  have
• 13:38
  a
• 13:38
  better
• 13:39
  country.
• 13:39
  Right.
• 13:40
  Well,
• 13:40
  and
• 13:41
  we
• 13:41
  have
• 13:41
  to
• 13:42
  take
• 13:42
  a
• 13:42
  short
• 13:42
  break.
• 13:43
  I'm
• 13:43
  Anthony
• 13:44
  Wright
• 13:44
  and
• 13:45
  you
• 13:45
  can
• 13:45
  contact
• 13:45
  me@theonaught.com
• 13:46
  t
• 13:47
  h
• 13:47
  e
• 13:48
  o
• 13:48
  n
• 13:49
  a
• 13:49
  o
• 13:50
  t.com
• 13:50
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• 13:52
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• 13:52
  I'm
• 13:53
  doing
• 13:53
  a.
• 13:53
  Lot
• 13:53
  of
• 13:53
  work
• 13:53
  that's
• 13:54
  under
• 13:54
  the
• 13:54
  name
• 13:55
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• 13:55
  Way
• 13:55
  between.
• 13:56
  So
• 13:56
  you
• 13:56
  can
• 13:56
  find
• 13:57
  me.
• 13:57
  Instagram.
• 13:58
  Yeah,
• 13:58
  Instagram.
• 13:59
  TikTok.
• 14:00
  Substack.
• 14:00
  So
• 14:01
  on
• 14:01
  substack
• 14:01
  is
• 14:02
  the
• 14:02
  Way
• 14:02
  between.
• 14:02
  And
• 14:03
  that's
• 14:03
  where
• 14:03
  most
• 14:04
  of
• 14:04
  the
• 14:04
  work
• 14:04
  will
• 14:04
  be
• 14:05
  centered
• 14:05
  on
• 14:05
  substack,
• 14:06
  including
• 14:06
  our
• 14:06
  podcast,
• 14:07
  Living
• 14:07
  Conversation.
• 14:08
  Great.
• 14:09
  Okay,
• 14:09
  we're
• 14:10
  going
• 14:10
  to
• 14:10
  take
• 14:10
  a
• 14:10
  short
• 14:10
  break
• 14:10
  and
• 14:10
  be
• 14:11
  right
• 14:11
  back,
• 14:11
  so
• 14:11
  stay
• 14:12
  tuned.