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Unraveling the Apocalypse: David J. Moore's Cinematic Odyssey · Cinema Yūgen

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G'day. That's right, it's that time again. Time for Cinema Yugen! Oh.
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Music.
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My God. Yes, ladies and gentlemen, Cinema Yugen back again.
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World Gone Wild 2nd Edition. Restocked and reloaded my friend,
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publicist, writer and film lover, David J.
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Moore, a loving ode to films with post-apocalyptic themes.
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This updated edition now features more than 1,200 movie reviews,
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plus more than 600 images and dozens of interviews with the filmmakers and actors.
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From asteroids to zombies, the film and television industry dreamed up seemingly
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infinite ways to end the world.
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David is an incredible bloke.
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He's also the author of The Good, The Tough and The Deadly, action movies and
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stars and beauty among the ashes and artists' quest to bring hope to a town that lost everything.
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He has also written articles for Fangoria, Famous Monsters, Film Facts,
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Black Belt, Kung Fu Magazine, Ultra Violent, Video Escape.
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He's a great bloke. He's as obsessed with movies as I am. Welcome to Cinema Juga. David J. Moore.
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Thank you, sir. It's good to be here, as always. It's good to have you, mate.
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Yeah, it has been a while since we've actually been on the podcast. The last time, I think,
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was when we were talking about when you did your piece for the booklet in the
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Arrow release of Waterworld, I think it was, way back when.
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You've been doing a lot of that since commentaries.
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I saw you in the Carolco show.
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Documentary that daniel did for the total recall uh
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release yeah you're you're
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in place man yeah i just did something
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came out just i think a week or so ago i did
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the commentary for doomsday oh yeah we're going to talk about that because that
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was that that's in my notes from reading your rereading your your book doomsday
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which is which uh didn't get too much love when it came I mean,
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I really like it. I still like it.
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And, of course, in this book, very lucky boy, you had an interview with Neil Marshall.
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I love Neil Marshall's word, Dog Soldiers. Personally, my favorite of his films
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is still The Descent, but I do like Doomsday as well, I've got to say.
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But, yeah. I consider Neil kind of a friend, actually.
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We just did another in-depth interview type thing for –,
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I did one for Duchess, and then I was, I think it's safe to say that he let
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me, I'm the first person to see The Compulsion, his new movie,
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his erotic thriller, and I watched that and did an in-depth interview,
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I'm writing a book about erotic thrillers, so I wanted that in there for,
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you know, when that came out, so yeah, that was cool, I like Neil.
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I very nearly recently was involved in an erotic thriller that basically the strike saw it canned,
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but it was going to have like Bai Ling in it and Eric Roberts and it was going
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to be produced by Nevsky and directed and Joe Cornett was going to be in it as well.
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So, yeah, very nearly entered your erotic thriller territory there.
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It was going to be an interesting little movie, but the strikes saw that vetoed.
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But anyway, enough about that. Let's talk about your book. And,
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of course, this is prevalent because this brought up a few things.
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The death of Chris Christopherson the other day.
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Very sad, but that made me think of a movie that's in this book and also a big
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part of this book, the director of set movie.
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The movie was Nights, Chris Christopherson, and Albert Pughn, of course.
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He's a big part of this book. there are quite a few interviews with Albert with
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all those different films.
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And I'm very glad to see that you're a big fan of Nights, which I love.
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And I actually watched it the other night after learning of Chris's passing.
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There's nothing like that scene when Kathy Long straps the torso of Chris Christopherson
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to her back, and they're fighting literally back-to-back, that is amazing.
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There's a albert released a director's cut
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of knights and i got my hands on that before
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he passed wow heck is
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it called it has a title it's like i actually
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have it like in sight but it's i mean
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if you want to give me a second i all right towards the end i can
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tell you what it's called but yeah he retitled
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it and it's a different cut oh yeah it's
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out there i don't his you know his widow is still
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selling right yeah i
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loved albert albert was a great guy that's awesome yeah
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i hope that eventually comes out i'd love
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to see that that that's one of my like favorite albert
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pew movies is great nights yeah yeah
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i had um i had the good fortune of having albert
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contribute to a to a book of mine it was one of
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the anthologies i edited it was called it was one of
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the straight to video books of conquest of the planet of the tapes and
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he was very kind to uh to submit a
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little piece for that and i actually
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interviewed gary daniels gary daniels
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way back when and doing podcasts and softly
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for for a piece on on nights because at the time albert of course was was not
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not in good health and couldn't do it yeah gary was good enough to have a chat
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and share some some lovely photographs you know from from from the time and
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of course i got to speak to tim thomason.
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Thanks to to to courtney joiner and got to
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talk about his little uh his little sort
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of cameo moment there where he's among
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the farmers in the movie so yeah that was
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great look mate this this book has got all the all
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the films that are close to my heart this is all like the happy comfort
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food of my of my of my
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youth well also being australian i
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mean that you know that there's something weird about the kinship
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between apocalyptic games and
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australians you know and of course a lot to
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do with the mad max films but there's something very primal
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about the landscape in australia i mean
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i i don't know what that must feel like as an
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australian for you seeing something like furiosa come
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out all over the world i mean
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i would try it you know like if that was like my
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you know like my country's movie or whatever but yeah
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the apocalypse seems to almost have been born in australia in a weird way yeah
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well it's um look i was very saddened to see the the the response to furiosa
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was not uh probably not what was not what was expected yes it's a different
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kind of It's another kind of Mad Max movie.
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It's a little closer to Thunderdome than Road Warrior, just as Fury Road is
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closer to Road Warrior than it is.
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You know thunderdome where you know it's kind
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of curiosa thunderdome is
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my favorite mad max movie and and i i have
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no apologies i love thunderdome so much well maybe
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we are we are on the same page there well i am
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i am i'm also i think
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i i think in some ways because that was the first
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man max i saw at the at the cinema uh
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was was thunderdome but yeah i i
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always i always hated the fact that when i thought
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when george went expansive into it they
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they they never liked it like they liked the
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fast paced like fury road road warrior
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mold but when he when he goes
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into depth it's never like what people
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want they want you know they complain about they want
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more of the world but they just want action sequences
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piled on top of one another because you know
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that's how they see mad max is you know
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it's gonna be underrated forever i loved it yeah no it's um and and also too
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like a movie that's in this book and also that we've talked about before water
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world um split second which i absolutely loved when it came out on video here
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it didn't come out in the cinemas.
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I'm i'm so glad it's been has received a cult following the ruckahauer sort of pseudo alien,
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meets predator kind of thing which is
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great that's in this another great movie that you talk about in this book is
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where is it where is it i read it down slipstream with mark hamill bill paxton
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I actually interviewed Tony Caden who wrote the script.
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For that movie because i'm i i i've all
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i've loved that movie since i saw it first time and it's
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continually fascinating and to talk to tony was incredibly
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interesting because it really suffered from
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the fact that the three different forces steve lisper lisberger
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wanted to make a family film gary kurtz wanted
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it to be like another star wars and tony
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caden was writing kind of a sci-fi
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a pseudo sci-fi version of the last detail and you
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can kind of see elements if you watch it like anyone who's not familiar with
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the last detail jack nicholson they're taking randy quaid right you know and
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so there was elements of the bill paxton and bob peck relationship was.
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Mirroring the last detail and that's
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the way that's the way he was going but because the producers going one way
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the directors going one way the screenwriters going one way yeah that's why
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it's kind of muddled but still a really fascinating movie and i was glad to
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see yeah and not a lot of people even know about it there's only it's only been released on uh like,
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public domain dvds really crummy copies and i found a like a i think it was
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a japanese laser disc yeah you mentioned in the book yeah you said that there
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was a really full ratio version.
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Really gorgeous, you know, and I'm so glad I was able to find that.
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That movie, I don't understand the rights or what happened or whatever,
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but I'd love to see one of these great companies like Vinegar Syndrome or something
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release that movie on Blu-ray or 4K because it would look great.
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Oh, yeah, I think so. And it's got such an eclectic cast, Robbie Coltrane,
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F. Murray Abraham, Brian Kingsley.
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Yeah. Yeah, just Bill Paxton. Of course, the late, great Bill Paxton.
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Another movie you talked about in this book, which has stuck in my head since I saw it.
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My wife introduced me to this movie, which I had not seen prior to her showing
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it to me, was This Is The End, you know, with the Seth Rogen.
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Oh, yeah. And Franco and, yeah.
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I can't, that movie, like I said, I had not seen it till she showed it to me.
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And I, yeah, there's something about it that stuck with me and I didn't understand what it was.
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I thought it was initially the weird imbalance of the whole fact that it was
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a movie about the rapture, but it was also kind of this, you know,
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Seth Rogen Franco sort of comedy.
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It's like a South Park episode with those guys. It is.
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Yeah, that's what it felt like. It felt like, you know, like if South Park,
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if they did like a live action.
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Rapture. Yeah. Or if they did. raptures are rare as it is.
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The kooky evangelical rapture movies are always kind of like, this is weird.
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And then they made this hard R-rated sort of evangelical movie that is sort of the other side of it.
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You know, the no rules, anything goes kind of thing.
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But that's what I like about it. It's dangerous. It's a dangerous.
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Unpredictably bizarre and startling
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and shocking end of the world movie it's it's kind
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of unique in that in that regard yeah i love i
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love that that bit with the when they're confessing to
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the video and and it's just
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after it's just after when um what's his
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face jonah hill
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jonah hill yeah just it's it's the scene just after jonah
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hill gets shadow donged by the the demon and he's
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like something not chill and then it
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cuts it to oh mate he's gone i drank my own pee this morning
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it's not bad yeah it's
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it's very blasphemous you know which i struggle with you
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know but it is what it is and i you
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know you got to give it points for for going there you know yeah totally
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another movie i was happy to see that you uh you like
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also is southland tales which i
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love i'm i've been a fan of for a while and i'm so
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glad they brought out the arrow brought out that they can't release yeah yeah
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no i've i've i've enjoyed that i enjoyed that movie the first time i saw it
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just in the the version that came out and yeah so yeah I saw Southland Tales
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in the theater when it first came out,
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and it was barely released in the theater. It was like one theater or something.
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And I fell in love with it. I read the comics, and I heard about the canned cut.
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And I was at the canned cut premiere a handful of years ago. It was before COVID.
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They premiered it at the LA County Museum of Art for the very first time.
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And I was there and I was very disappointed, but that's because I love the original cut so much.
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And, you know, when you, when you fall in love with a version of a movie and
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then you see like another version, you're like, yeah, yeah.
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But yeah, it's super rare when I'll see a director's cut or some other cut of
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a movie and I'm like, that's the version.
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That's the one. maybe blade runner you know but it's
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pretty rare when i when i see a another version of a movie
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that i love that better you know yeah
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yeah it's um it's it's interesting it's like how do you feel about about the
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the the whole sort of thing that goes on there the the black and white version
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or the chrome version of stuff i don't care about that i you know my when my eyes and my spirit.
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Watch something that's that's virtually perfect
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you know like i i've always said that fury road
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is the most flawless what
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do you call it the the cards that have the drawings what are they what are those
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called that they what are those called you know when they they follow the cards
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when they're filming oh okay what do you call that you mean what you mean with
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the tracking with you You know,
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like Fury Road is the perfect movie based on those cards, you know,
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that they that they made, you know,
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like he George Miller had a book of those. What the heck are they called?
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You know they have a an artist that does all
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actual right right you mean the
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transit the translation from the conceptual design to
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the at fury road is the most perfect
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version of those cards imagine like
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no other movie is that perfect and flawless because you
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can tell they like literally detailed every single
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detail and when you're watching that you can.
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You can see it and the color is really important you
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know i i that that that golden sands
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and and you know everything is just when you
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watch that for the first time it's like imprinted on
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you and yes i have no
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interest whatsoever and ever looking at that movie
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in black and why would you do i don't understand like it
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doesn't make any sense to me like every comic
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book i've ever read you know i don't go to
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the to the black and white version of it like from europe or
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something you know i want to see milo minara's beautiful
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naked women in color you know like
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i don't want to you know like i don't want
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to look at at that in black and white it's like it's
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like colorizing black and white movies yeah why
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would yeah so i i don't get it like i
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and i'm not a fan of logan at all i didn't like logan but
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yeah i would never watch logan in black and white it
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doesn't make any sense i don't know what else they've done
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they've done a handful of movies like that these black and
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white versions or whatever but i mean if you want to buy it
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just just turn the dial down why do you need to buy another no that's yeah that's
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that's sort of the way i thought i thought well if you really want to see it
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in black and white yeah just just go to your your tv settings and and yeah and
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drain all the color out of it and there you go why buy another one as you said but yeah.
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Yeah, I mean, it's just there's so much to enjoy.
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Talking about vampire movies, you know, not because I've got a vampire movie
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coming out this month, but I was glad to see you.
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You had Daybreakers, the Spirit Brothers movie in here. Love the Spirit Brothers.
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That was a great, I mean, it was a long time between drinks. People don't know.
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Truthfully, I think how hard it is to get a movie made. like
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between between undead and daybreakers
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was like nearly six or seven years yeah and
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that jumped too i mean undead was a dinky little you
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know junkie movie as far as i'm concerned like if
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you look at undead and then you look at daybreakers it's
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like night and day i mean daybreak super polished
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sprawling epic almost
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type of movie i mean it's very ambitious but
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they weren't able to do everything they wanted to do
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with at least from my eyes i remember when that came out i
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get two three times in the theater i loved it
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yeah i mean it's really you know it's a really
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cool yeah there's a
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really great there's a really comprehensive making of documentary depending
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on which version of the the physical media
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release that you have i think i think when
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it came out on blu-ray that it might be included on the one
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disc but yeah i i have a version
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that came out when it when it was first released on video was called
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the blood bag version it's a it's a
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twin pack dvd that came inside a a case.
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Which had a clear plastic you know because you know they had
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the blood bags at the coffee you could get a
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shot of blood right in your coffee so that's how
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the dvd came it was great it's got a blood bag that
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you can see through and it's squishy and there's red coloring in there that's
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supposed to be blood it's it's pretty cool another good vampire one that's in
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there that i really enjoyed was steak land that oh yeah yeah had the kid Alexander
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in Oliver Stone's Alexander the played the young kid yeah that first.
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I i wasn't crazy about the second one the second one was disappointing but i
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did get you nick dimici about that and i tried to cover as much as i could you
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know with the interviews i i kind of,
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some of them i pursued them and some of them they pursued me you know and you know you know.
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No and i would you know if they were irrelevant i would
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take it you know like that one that was one that came to
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me via you know whatever the
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company was dark sky ever yeah
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i'll take that you know because i i loved the first
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movies it was great yeah and he's kind
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of a cool guy you know he kind of reminds me of charles bronson a little bit
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yeah but uh another
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another interview i saw that yeah paul
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ws anderson i like you know
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i i love her i love event horizon i've interviewed
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the philip eisenberg the guy who wrote
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the script because i went
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after him because i thought with with all the releases they
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never talked to the dude who wrote the screenplay so
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so yeah i had a great interview with
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um i remember that that was super surreal some
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some there's been a few handful of moments in my life
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where things just work out perfectly without
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almost me even having to try right and
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that's one of those serendipitous situations where
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i got an it's a long story but i i interviewed him in his office in beverly
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hills cool and that was super surreal and he kind of looked at me like how in
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the heck did you get here because i'm just some guy you know like Yeah.
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Well, it was like Jeff. It was like Jeff Phillips the other day.
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He's, you know, I opened my mouth and he says, so where did David find you?
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You're in Australia. Where? Somewhere? Yeah.
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I said, yeah, I'm the last podcast on earth down here. The last podcast before the middle of nowhere.
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That's funny. Yeah, you know, sometimes you just, you blink for a second and
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you're like, this is real. This is actually happening.
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And I've had some amazing situations in my life.
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And that was one of those moments where I was sitting in his office in Beverly Hills.
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And I can tell he was like, how did you get here?
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You know like like it was one of those weird moments
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and i got to sit with him for like at least an hour right
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yeah and it was great you know like it
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was one of those really cool moments that i got to sit there
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and and talk about end of the world movies with the guy that
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makes all these movies you know yeah yeah yeah yeah no
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i can i can only imagine well i mean i've despite
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my geographical impairment i've i've had uh i've
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i've been very fortunate and and thanks to you know
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working with uh working with you i've been very
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fortunate to have similar encounters i remember when
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i was going to talk to tim thomas and then i got
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i got his phone number off courtney joiner because
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i'd interviewed courtney because he was promoting a
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book through you oh yeah
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that's right yeah yeah yeah no i mean both of those guys
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i know both of those guys i've been in i've been in their homes you
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know like and it was it was great
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and he just sent me the phone number and so i'm sitting there because
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he didn't really say when and i thought well when is a good time to call tim
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thomas i'll call him i checked the time i thought no it'll be all right so i
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call him and next minute you know it's like tim thomas and answers the phone
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and this is a guy that i've watched for years yeah i've got i mean i've got
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my future cop poster up there on the wall Oh yeah.
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So yeah So I'm on the phone And he picks up the phone And he's like Tomerson
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And I'm like Holy shit He sounds like he does In real life too.
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And I'm like Tim,
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I'm this Australian, you know, Courtney Joyner. Yeah. Yeah. I'm the Australian
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guy. He said he might be calling. Oh, right. Yeah. Yeah.
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And, and yeah. And, and I wish I had, I wish I had a recorded,
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I wish I had a recorded the, that initial conversation.
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Dude, I've got a story like that about the guy he was in, he's only been in like two movies.
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They were Australian movies, day of the Panther and yes. Trencher.
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I got that guy's number through brian trenchard smith
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yeah brian yeah yeah i like cold
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called him in australia you know like you're talking about and he picked up
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the phone and i started having this conversation with that guy whatever the
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heck his name is yeah i know who you're talking who is this what do you want
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to tell you now yeah that's i did the same with that dude who was in
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remember that movie the wizard of speed and time oh my gosh yeah yeah and he's
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not his his phone i i found an interview because a friend of mine said oh you should try an interview,
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and i thought oh how do i get in contact with this guy and i found an interview
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that a british journalist had done and he said his number's been in the phone
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book so he just called him,
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and so i figured i'd do the same thing and so i did and he answered the phone
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and he didn't really want to do an interview but the longer we kept speaking
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we were literally like i talked for about two hours with him on the phone.
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Oh my gosh. Wow. That's a long interview.
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And the whole time he says, I don't really want to do an interview. Um,
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But we were kind of doing it. He said, I don't really do interviews anymore. But we were, yeah.
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And I'm frantically scribbling notes and stuff.
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And halfway through, I managed to get the recorder up near the phone.
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And it was eerie near the end of the conversation. He said, if you've been recording,
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it's okay if you want to use it.
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But anyway, David, before we run out of time, this book is on its way out.
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It's from Schiffer Publishing.
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It is 658 pages. If you've seen the first edition or read the first edition
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or in the first edition of World Dawn Wild,
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the second edition is a monster class in genre cinema.
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It looks like it was a gargantuan effort, a passion project, all those good things.
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Let me be the first to thank you from genre fans of all these movies for going
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through all these trials and tribulations to present this definitive work it is unparalleled.
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Awesome incredible that was always the intention so i mean i never gave up relatives,
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yeah i never i never gave up writing it and you
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know the first book took about eight years to write sorry my son just walked
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in the room here and i spent another you know well since it's been 10 years
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i think since it came out so i never stopped yeah and i wanted to be as,
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you know complete as possible up to the you know my deadline which was december of 23,
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so it's it's as complete as possible up to
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the end of 23 and i'm very sorry and it
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bums me out that like furiosa and some of these movies that
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have come out recently are not in there you know and i'm not going to do
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another edition of this particular book i
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you know i've just got too many other things i want to do now yes totally well
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thank you for for persevering on me the long and lonely miles to to the new
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utopia it's it's fantastic thank you for thank you for sharing with me thank
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you for sharing with cinema yugen and.
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Fans of this, stay tuned to Cinema Eugen.
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We'll, of course, be giving updates. This book was set to come out.
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It is on its way. It is coming out, so stay tuned.
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David, is there anywhere that anyone can keep up to date with this anywhere?
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Does the publisher have a website?
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Yeah, Schiffer.com. Schiffer, I think it's just Schiffer.com.
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Amazon, checking the release date. It's supposed to come out for 28th,
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but there's a longshoreman strike i don't
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know gonna end but when that ends
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the book will be out because it's i know it's it's on
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the water it's ready to be shipped to stores and
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everything that's what i've been told so it's it's like right on
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the verge of you know right at the edge i'm just hoping that this strike gets
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off and and it'll come out that's fantastic so yeah check out we'll put the
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links in the description uh and yeah stay tuned ladies and gentlemen fans of
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the genre, the definitive work, David J.
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Moore has persevered. He has spent the years in the wasteland and has come back,
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with the Ten Commandments.
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The Sacred Scrolls. The Sacred Scrolls. It's just got about every – I mean, there's so many movies.
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I could just really sit here and read a list of all the movies that have been
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a big part of my life that are in this book, and not just because some of them
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were made in Australia either, but because – It's a genre unto itself.
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It's a genre that I love. Like Dante's Inferno, it has many levels.
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And they are all covered here. And David J. Moore, you're a gentleman and a
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scholar, and I thank you for being my guest yet again, and I thank you for doing
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all this wonderful work that you do. Well, thank you, Kent. Talk to you later, man, okay?
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Yes. Thank you, David. Great bloke. Great book.
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Massive book. If you drop it on your foot, you definitely will give a hooey into the mountaintops.
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It's it's a tremendous effort it
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is a definitive definitive work check
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out the links in the description it's available for pre-order now
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don't wait if you love movies that have
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been endlessly predicting the end of the world and the action and awesomeness
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that awaits us there in the wasteland check out world gone wild links in the
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description now go get it and as always My little Yugenites,
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thank you for listening to us on Spotify or wherever you choose to listen to
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your favorite podcasts.
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I'm Kent Hill. And until next time, you've been listening to Cinema Yugenite.
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Music.