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1930s Fashion Part 2 · We Regret Nothing

• Sean: Welcome back to We Regret Nothing. I'm your host Sean, and today we're stepping back into the wardrobe of the 1930s. In our last episode, Michelle, Andrea, and Lori introduced the first 10 items from our list of the top 20 fashion pieces of the decade. Styles that reflected elegance, resilience, and a shifting sense of identity during the most challenging time in our history. Today, we're bringing you the next 10 fashion items, completing the full list of 20. And once everything is on the table, the real work begins. By the end of this episode, hopefully, we'll narrow it all down to a definitive top 10 looks of the 1930s. This is where the debates sharpen. Practicality versus glamour. Everyday wear versus high fashion. Cultural influence versus lasting style. Every choice means leaving something behind. So, whether it's bias cuts, bold tailoring, or understated sophistication, Join us as we debate, defend, and ultimately decide which fashion trends rise to the top 10 and move one step closer to our capsule. Welcome, Michelle. Hello. Hello, Andrea. Shawn. And I would like to welcome back Lori, ⁓ who is, I'm just checking your fit today, Lori. know, stand up. All right. Let's see the outfit. In-person participant 1: Defend and ultimately decide which fashion trends rise to the top ten and move one step closer to our capsule Welcome Michelle. Hello Andrea, Sean, and I would like to welcome back Lori Who is I'm just checking your fit today, Lori Stand up. All right. ⁓ let's see the outfit. Okay. Hey girl. Hey leopard print Which was big Tarzan movie came out think 32 ⁓ We have an homage to the beach pajamas and a little bit of leisure wear and a little shoulder pad. I see the shoulder pad now. What a great outfit. you. wasn't going to call it out. Cause you don't wear pajamas. The other two people in jeans and sweatshirts. I have stripy socks on. I got skunk socks on. Okay. So let's start with number 11. And I put, just like I said in the last episode, a lot of these items that I put in, I'm talking about more kind of the, Sean: I see the shoulder pad now. What a great outfit. Okay. I wasn't going to call out the two pajamas, the other two people in jeans and sweatshirts, but Okay, so let's start with number 11. ⁓ And I put, just like I said in the last episode, a lot of these items that I put in, ⁓ I'm talking about more kind of the general idea of dresses. I did say specifically belted day dresses, and I'll get to that ⁓ here in a little bit, but we're starting with Michelle. In-person participant 1: idea of dresses. I did say specifically belted day dresses and I'll get to that ⁓ here in a little bit but we're starting with Michelle. These were you know more back to what we were talking about with the female silhouette, right? They wanted to go away from this, like the kind of straight androgynous looks. So they had a higher cinched natural waistline. ⁓ They were slim and tailored until maybe a flare at the end, usually a mid-length hemline, obviously a matching belt that was either an accessory or sewn right into the dress. Floral prints. polka dots, plaids, ⁓ I mean they look fucking great. They really do. I think probably people think if they don't know it they think about Julia Roberts in Woman. And it came kind of directly from that culture, right? From the racetrack culture where you really dressed up to go to the races, big hats, know. So wide shoulder, tiny waist, slim and then flare to the bottom to make the hourglass. They look great. Laurie? I agree. A lot of ladies had the same silhouette in different fabric so they could wear their day dresses for their around the house and then switch to a different fabric like a chiffon. It could be the same look just dressier. So it's really ⁓ flexible fashion-wise. Yeah. Sean: big hats, know, so wide shoulder, waist, slim and then flare to the bottom to make the hourglass. They look great. Lori? I agree. A lot of ladies had the same silhouette in different fabric so they could wear their day dresses for their around the house and then switch to a different fabric like a chiffon. It could be the same look, just dressier. So it really flexible, and fashion-wise. Yeah. I'm glad you said that. That's what I want to come back to. Andrea? I... In-person participant 1: glad you said that, that's what I want to come back to. Andrea? I love a belted day dress. I have the one from Pretty Woman, when I had the waist from Pretty Woman. have that. I loved a belted dress. I do like... exactly everything Michelle and Lori said, and it took you because usually a woman's house dress was shapeless and not in a way like it was shapeless where you could you usually wore that over your dress because women did not do their ⁓ their household chores in in jeans or ⁓ which to me is crazy because I do them in sweats if I do them sometimes but no it it is a very pretty silhouette and I do love it. I just think about like every outfit you ever saw June Cleaver in. Basically, yeah. A belted day dress. Yeah. She was just running around cooking meals in a fucking. Yeah, I mean. They were bad at being just. But fear not, they do make these for those of us who are stout. I loved when I saw stout, I went. I fuck you! And the worst part about that, beyond that they used the word stout, was that the sleeves for the stout ladies were usually much longer because, you know, we gotta cover that bitch up. It's fucking terrible. It's terrible. I mean, at least good looking out they were trying to let them be fashionable too, I guess. Let them. Sean: So as far as dresses go, so both Lori and Andrea hit on this a little bit. I don't think I'm putting too fine of a point on it to say, so number one, just start at the beginning, women wore dresses all day, right? That's the outfit that a woman is gonna wear in this timeframe. But they wear different dresses for different events. So you already brought up a house dress, right? So let's just run through, and this is probably not an ordinary day, but just to make my point, imagine this. wake up, put on your house dress, right? The house dress is only worn at the house. It's chores, making meals, or just whatever you're doing at the house, wearing a house dress. Then you clean up the house, maybe make a meal or whatever, and then you're gonna host friends. So you don't host friends in your house dress. So now you have to put on your host discount, which is worn at home and only at home. In-person participant 1: up put on your house dress right the house dress is only worn at the house. yeah. Chores, making meals or just whatever you're doing at the house. Wear the house dress. Then you clean up the house. Sean: but for intimate gatherings, like having friends over. And then, and then, and then there's a day dress. So you had friends over and then they leave and then you put on a day dress to go out of the house. So the first two are just to be worn in the house. One when you're alone, one when you have guests, two different dresses. Now we're going to go run some errands or go to a flower show or whatever. I don't know what you do in this time, but In-person participant 1: maybe make a meal or whatever and then you're going to have, you're going to host friends. So you don't host friends in your house dress. So now you have to put on your host discount, which is worn at home and only at home, but for intimate gatherings, like having friends over. I'm doing this. then ⁓ there's a day dress. So you had friends over and then they leave and then you put on a day dress to go out. of the house. So the first two are just to be worn in the house. One when you're alone, one when you have guests. Two different dresses. Now we're going to go run some errands or go to a flower show or whatever. I don't know what you do in this time, but you got to put on a day dress, right? This is a different dress. Day dresses are usually ⁓ made of cotton. ⁓ And again, so then you get back and let's just say that you're going to tea or going to a restaurant. Now there's an afternoon dress. Sean: You got to put on a day dress, right? This is a different dress. Day dresses are usually ⁓ made of cotton. ⁓ And again, so then you get back and let's just say that you're going to tea or going to a restaurant. Now there's an afternoon dress, different than a day dress, even though afternoon is in the day. I'm very confused. But the fancier version of a day dress, essentially, ⁓ In-person participant 1: Different than a day dress even though afternoon is in the day. I'm very confused but the the fancier version of a day dress essentially Right at rayon Cray, I mean they're just made out of a little bit more of a formal fabric than cotton, right? then ⁓ Husband comes home from dinner from work and we're gonna go out to dinner now There's an evening dress, but you have to change even if when your husband is coming home. You can't be in a house dress you have Sean: rayon crayon, I mean they're just made out of a little bit more of a formal fabric than cotton, right? Then, ⁓ comes home from dinner or from work and we're going to go out to dinner. Now there's an evening dress. But you have to change even if when your husband is coming home. What do you change into? You have to change into, but I know, not an evening gown, but an evening dress. You can't be in your house dress. In-person participant 1: have to change into but I ⁓ know ⁓ not an evening gown but an evening dress you can't be in your house dress so you have to be yeah you have to and then ⁓ and forbid you're going to a formal event now you need it like a now you need an evening dress yeah sometimes a ball gown if you're going dancing I'm just saying that's that's like seven dress changes in a day based on Sean: So you have to be, yeah, you have to Okay. And then, ⁓ Odin forbid you're going to a formal event. ⁓ now you need a, like a, now you need an evening dress. ⁓ sometimes a ball gown. If you're going dancing, I'm just saying that's, that's like seven dress changes in a day, ⁓ based on the time of day in the event. ⁓ that is lunacy to me. So then I said all of that and I know I drug that way out to say then. In-person participant 1: the time of day in the event. ⁓ That is lunacy to me. So then I said all of that and I know I drug that way out to say then we have the depression and now we got to start cutting back on dresses maybe. And fine outfits. So the day dresses start to be worn. I think Gloria said this too is now this belted day dress during the 30s starts to be worn for several of these events. So you're not buying and changing dresses as often. Sean: We have the depression and now we gotta start cutting back on dresses maybe, on outfits, right? So then day dresses start to be worn. And I think Lori said this too, is now this belted day dress during the 30s starts to be worn for several of these events. So you're not buying and changing dresses as often. I don't know, I just ran through a day for a female in 1931 in my head and my head almost exploded. In-person participant 1: And I don't know, I just ran through a day for a female in 1931 in my head and my head almost exploded. It also depended on your station of life. I was going to say, all your means. you had a caught, usually typically caught, and because you were doing a lot of chores, I can't imagine the amount of ironing these ladies had to do. I don't want But yes, you didn't greet your husband in your dress that you did all the cooking, all the cleaning, taking care of the children. You had to dress up. Michelle is so offended. Sean: very true yes yes yes did all the cooking, all the cleaning, taking care of the children. Yeah, the dress up. Michelle is so offended. The look, if you're only listening to this in an audio format, can we just- on the YouTube version for At least for this little portion of the show, you have to watch this. Michelle's face is indescribable. I believe Andrea talked about disdain. I just would suggest you just look at Michelle's face during this entire description. In-person participant 1: ⁓ If you're only listening to this in an audio format Get on the YouTube version for that at least for this little portion of the show you have to watch this Michelle's face is indescribable I believe Andrea talked about disdain I just would suggest you just look at Michelle's face during this entire description Okay number 12 I put you know Pete LaPels Sean: ⁓ Okay, number 12, ⁓ put, you know, peaked lapels. ⁓ I want to hear what y'all say before I offer my thing, but Lori. In-person participant 1: I want to hear what you all say before I offer my thing. But Lori? What I was reading about is meant to give the V shape, similar to the ladies. Most often with the double-breasted jacket that we referenced earlier. And it's paired with a wide-leg trouser. read about that I read about it I didn't I didn't see the wide leg yeah they were trying to give that silhouette the menswear as well they were do they there was a whole it was a whole look for yeah and women ⁓ okay ⁓ I I love a peak lapel especially a jacket with wide leg trousers is what I have on her but I I loved when when women would wear them Sean: I didn't see the wide leg trouser. ⁓ okay. There was a whole look for young women. okay. Andrea? I love a peak lapel, especially a jacket with wide-leg trousers is what I have on here. I loved when ⁓ women would wear them. In-person participant 1: like you'll see and shows up every like 10 years or so at the Oscars ⁓ without anything under the jacket which I really like but ⁓ Lauren Bacall would wear this ⁓ Marlena Dietrich ⁓ couple of the other start like they could they could wear it i think there's a couple of publicity photos in mommy dearest that joan croffert is is wearing this look and i know it was more aimed for men but i like when women jump into men's not not when they do when it's like the crisscross look because that was ridiculous and still gives me a headache we'll talk about it in the nineties ⁓ but well i will yeah i i like it michelle Sean: in the men's fashion, not when they do, when it's like the crisscross look, because that was ridiculous. That sort gives me a headache. We'll talk about it in the 90s. well, I will. But yeah, I like it. Michelle? I just have what they have, just that it gave a literal sharper look. It would come real close to the shoulder seams. In-person participant 1: I just have what they have just that it gave a literal sharper look. It would come real close to the shoulder seams to offset the otherwise kind of boxier rest of the suit. it gave them shape where, you know, like a more formal double-breasted just, you know, was your everyday business suit. This was maybe a little, you know, classier or a little, at least more fashionable. The only thing that I saw that I found interesting Sean: to offset the otherwise kind of boxier rest of the suit. it gave them shape where, you know, like a more formal double-breasted just, you know, was your everyday business suit. This was maybe a little, you know, classier or a little at least more fashionable. Yeah, the only thing that I saw that I found interesting that y'all didn't mention is that In-person participant 1: that y'all didn't mention is that the Art Deco movement that we talked about previously. And so the geometric boldness of the Art Deco movement is a little bit. So the silhouette, yes, all of that, but then also based it on that design movement of the Art Deco that we talked about. Which is almost always used to be a challenge on. Sean: the Art Deco movement that we talked about previously. ⁓ And so the geometric kind of boldness of the Art Deco movement is a little bit. So the silhouette, yes, all of that, but then also kind of based it on that design movement of that Art Deco that we talked about. Which is like almost always used to be a challenge on. In-person participant 1: Project Runway, like they took them to the Empire State Building and the Art Deco and people are like... It was trying to figure out how I'm going to get that into that. yeah. And it is challenging. Yeah, that's what I thought was interesting is what you just said is how do I, as a designer, how do I take that thing and put it into fashion or into anything really? yeah. 13, I just necktie. I put necktie with pin. Sean: Project Runway. They took them to the Empire State Building and the Art Deco and people were like... It was trying to figure out how I'm going to get that into that. Yeah. And that's what... challenging. Yeah. That's what I thought was interesting is what you just said is how do I, as a designer, how do I take that thing and put it into fashion or into anything really, but yeah. 13. ⁓ I just necktie. I put necktie with pin, but really I'll talk I want to talk about the pins, but the the necktie is really what I want to talk about. And that's Andrea. I right 13 Andrea. Sorry. ⁓ no. Okay. I mean, I don't like a tie pin. ⁓ I'm sorry, I don't dislike it. It's not like one killed my mom, but In-person participant 1: But really I'll talk I want to talk about the pins but the the necktie is really what I want to talk about and that's Andrea I Right 13 Andrea, sorry Okay, I mean, I don't like a tie pin. Sorry, I don't dislike it. It's not like one killed my mom, but I like... I just, I always think of... I always, yeah, I got nothing. Okay, Lori? I kind of like it because I think it serves function, right? It's holding your tie in place and... Sean: I like, uh, I always think of, I always, yeah, I got nothing. Okay. Lori. Uh, I kind of like it because I think it serves function, right? It's holding your tie in place and keeping it formal looking, but it also could be an accessory. So you can kind of play with it a little bit. kind of like it. I don't, yeah, I like, I did find popular patterns where art deco and In-person participant 1: keeping it formal looking, but it also could be an accessory. So you can kind of play with it a little bit. kind of like it. don't, I, yeah. I like, I did find popular patterns where Art Deco and Paisley tying into your Art Deco point. Michelle. ⁓ I like that they sometimes came as a set. You get the tie pin cufflinks. Sean: easily yes cutting into your art deco point. Michelle? ⁓ I like that they sometimes came as a set you get the tie pin cufflinks sometimes a belt buckle that was maybe a little bit later but and that they you you could have some kind of you know you could show up like a club affiliation or a habit or an interest or whatever like you could have a puppy dog or whatever the shit on there. In-person participant 1: sometimes a belt buckle that was maybe a little bit later but ⁓ and that they you know you could have some kind of you know you could show off like a club affiliation or a habit or an interest or whatever like you could have a puppy dog or whatever the shit on there and that they kind of originated by what what they used to tie up your to keep in place to keep a cravat in in place yes right and then maybe later an ascot but not as much I mean if I saw one today, would just immediately be like this guy's part of the you know American beat America's like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I guess all originality but back then with yeah, if you couple it with like You know peak lapel suit. It was just you know, give him a little So extra yes, there's a player player 37 pieces of where? Sean: American it'd be an American play. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I guess all originality but back then with yeah, you couple it with like, you know, Pete LaPel suit. It was just, know, give them a little silly extra. Yeah, so so player player. 37 pieces of land and a terrific smile. Back to Lori and Michelle but when I wanted to tie it back into that the lapels that we were talking about. Those lapels, at least what I could find, generally were around three and a half inches wide. And so the ties to match the lapels were also three and a half. They were getting wider to match that whole design. So three and a half inches on the tie as well. And then the stick pins, right? Like or what the tie chains. I never wore really In-person participant 1: I wanted to tie it back into that the lapels that we were talking about those lapels at least what I could find generally were around three and a half inches wide. And so the ties to match the lapels were also three and a half. They were getting wider to match that whole design. So three and a half inches on the tie as well. And then the stick pins, right? Like, or what the tie chains, I never wore really these that much, but I just liked the way they look. Sean: these that much, but I just like the way they look, I guess. But having the sharp pin with the decorative top go through the tie and shirt fabric, ⁓ I thought it looked good. I feel kind of like I was wrong with Andrea's response to this, but she's like, it's fine. But ⁓ the tie chain, a chain with a clip that slid into the shirt placket behind the tie ⁓ with decorative links or pendants showing. So you could design these a little bit. Anyway, moving on. Number 14. the Bolero jacket. Michelle. Big fan. Love the way they look. That, they obvious, well, maybe not obviously, but. In-person participant 1: Moving on. Number 14. the Bolero jacket. Michelle. Big fan. Love the way they look. Uh, that, know, they, uh, you know, obvious, well, maybe not obviously, but originated, uh, you know, like with Spaniard, you know, with, uh, Toreros, the bullfighters, the, and even like early, uh, Mexican Gauchos and, uh, because they needed something functional, but still protective. And so it couldn't be too long because of saddle riding, cetera. And then for, you know, for the bullfighters, was. I mostly for looks but you know, I love that the Vaqueros brought it to America and you know, like always we just ripped off a bunch of Mexicans. Good for us. ⁓ but it was you know, but when women started wearing it was basically, you know, collarless, open, high, high cut. So, so again giving you the silhouette that you know, you could accentuate the waist because your eyes were all up here and that seems to be kind the thread through, no pun intended, through most of this is that it was business up top. You wanted the eye all up top because the skirts or the dresses later would just would be just kind of plain. All the decoration, everything was all up top. So this added to that because your eyes drawn to the line, which was usually, you know, somewhere between right under the bust or just a little bit lower. Sean: thread through most of this is that it was business up top. You wanted the eye all up top because the skirts or the dresses later would just just kind of plain. All the decorations and everything was all up top. So this added to that because your eyes drawn to the line which was usually you know somewhere between right under the bust or just a little bit lower. In-person participant 1: ⁓ and the Balenciaga one that's in like MoMA or wherever it is, is beautiful. So, but he was like very, like one of the first designers to really translate that into fashion ⁓ rather than function. Yes. And ⁓ his designs were so dramatic. That's what I love. Sean: ⁓ and the Balenciaga one that's in like MoMA or wherever it is, is beautiful. So, but he was like very, like one of the first designers to really translate that into fashion rather than function. Yes. And his design were so dramatic. In-person participant 1: Anything else Lauren? I'm also a big fan. I like the evolution of them because they were very showy with the bullfighters. But my favorite is when they wore them with the evening gowns. That was like, you know, like you said, if it was a fur or if it was some kind of sparkle, I just thought, I think that is just adds extra bit of drama that I love with that, with that smooth fitting silk gown with the bolero. Sean: Anything ⁓ In-person participant 1: I really love it. Andrea? She's not a fan? Not a fan? Oh no. Boy, we're to gang it up on Andrea. You know what? I do have a negative connotation towards it because when I was going mother of the groom dress shopping, a lot of the Boleros are like, let's cover up Fatty's arms. And I'm like. Sean: Hmm Andrea Not a fan ⁓ But why why I mean I love you know, I do have a negative connotation towards it because when I was going Mother of the groom dress shopping a lot of the Boleros are like let's cover a fatty's arms and I'm like and I and they're all it's like I see like people do that when they style they used to like try to style Adele like that before she was a Very negative mindset towards it ⁓ In-person participant 1: And I, and they're all, it's like, I see like people do that when they style. They used to like try to style Adele like that before she was, I had a very negative mindset towards it. ⁓ and I also don't like a shrug and it reminds me too much of a shrug. And I think now, like when I see them, I mostly see them on more mature women and it is very much like a mother of the bride kind of. I 1930s this because when I was on vintage whatever site that I look at. dancer. Vintage dancer. Oh yeah. Yeah. When I was on there looking like the patterns and the publicity shots from it, was like, these are beautiful. So you know, I don't like a bolero now. Sean: mature women and it is very much like a mother I should I 1930s this because when I was on vintage whatever site that I vintage dancer vintage dancer yeah when I was on there looking like the patterns and the publicity shots from I was like these are beautiful so you know I In-person participant 1: but I can see then the beauty of it. Like you said, especially with an evening gown. But now it's like the thirties ones were much more form fitting to the figure. And now when you see one, it's just like a box. Yeah. So the grandma can go to the wedding looking nice. Right. It's just like a, like a square. they are not, they're not great. Yeah. These, the thirties ones were very much designed to. What I have to do is flip that. would tell you ⁓ it has devolved. ⁓ But the 30s were, they were stunning. So I do not like what time and. mass production by Sears and Roebuck is done to it. It makes me sad. There's designers where it can fit, but it is like, let's cover her up. As soon as you said, mother of the groom, I went right to what you're talking about. And that's what I, that's why I know what you're saying. Thank you. Cause I went right to like, ⁓ look, grandma's going to church. Okay. Sean: right to what you're talking about. that's what I, that's why I know what you're saying. Thank you. Cause I went right to like, ⁓ the grandma's going to church. Number 15. ⁓ yeah. So I'm just, I put on there again, beaded evening bag, but we're just talking handbags of the thirties general overview. And that is number 15. ⁓ Let's see. In-person participant 1: number 15. Oh yeah, so I'm just, I put on there again, beaded evening bag, but we're just talking handbags of the thirties. General overview and that is up number 15. Laurie. Let's see. I read, um, Well, they had beads and a lot of times they had chains and frames on them. heard, I read one thing they were described a dancing purse because they would sort of, you know, they could still dance and they'd be able, it would still look cute and it wouldn't go anywhere. So was a, you know, kind of a small little bag that you could just keep your essentials in. So it was a great accessory. I really love it. I think it can go with anything. Sean: Andrea? I fucking love beaded handbag. I love one of my... In-person participant 1: I fucking love a beaded handbag. I love one of my favorite things is my mom had ⁓ box of clutches and I would go through like when we would be going from the time I started going to either Fifth Avenue for a musical or ballet like she would always be like you can pick out a clutch or a bag and I would go and I would pick something out that matched my outfit and if we didn't have something that matched my outfit we would go buy something so and then my aunt she had she had a whole bunch of course all in black because the woman only wore black. ⁓ But I do. And when proms would come around, tolos, formals, you always got a bag that... or I always got a bag that matched what I was taking. There's so much versatility to it. You can have ones that are... ⁓ you could just have the loose one that had no boning or structure to it. It was just almost like a little bag. Sean: the woman only wore black ⁓ and but I I do there's and when proms would come around tolos formals you always got a bag that or I always got it but I was taking there's there's so much versatility to it you can have ones that are you could just have the loose one that like that had no boning or structure to it it was just almost like a little In-person participant 1: the decoration, everything done with it. You could get the ones with the chain that so you had a just, yeah. This was a great invention, Sean. ⁓ good. Good, I didn't invent it, but thank you. Michelle? Sean: But the decoration everything done with it you could get the ones with the chain that so you had just yeah This was a great invention Sean. ⁓ good Good. I didn't invent it, but thank you ⁓ Michelle it was interesting to me that a lot of women would make these at home Considering like they were using those little tiny glass beads and yeah, I've done have really intricate pattern In-person participant 1: It was interesting to me that a lot of women would make these at home considering like they were using those little tiny glass beads and a lot of them had really intricate patterns or you know designs on them and I was like how in the I mean I'm not a crafty person like at all so the thought of laying out a pattern and understanding where to place the beads in the right I'm like is mind-blowing to me but the most interesting thing actually was that they almost became a Sean: or you know designs on them and I was like how in the I mean I'm not a crafty person like at all so the thought of laying out a pattern and understanding where to place the beads in the right I'm like is mind-blowing to me but the most interesting thing actually was that they almost became a necessity like some kind of bag because as these dresses got more form there were no pockets there were like you know like your maybe your day dress would have a pocket in it because you're running around doing In-person participant 1: like some kind of bag because as these dresses got more form there were no pockets there were like you know like your maybe your day dress would have a pocket in it because you're running around doing whatever but like formal dresses they were too slim so there was no so the pockets all went away so you needed something to carry you know your your husband's money and I guess which is why you see us so excited now that the second thing you will say after you try something on or something is ⁓ my my God, I love that dress or that skirt. It has pockets. Yeah, I won't even buy a dress now that she doesn't have pockets. that's not true. But I don't love it if they don't have pockets. ⁓ And that they were geometric shapes too. So sometimes the framework, those metal frames or whatever, or sometimes wooden and later plastic, but ⁓ they could make interesting shapes out of them, teardrops or ⁓ flowers or whatever. I just have a really cool flower one. had one that was like a rose. a rose. Yeah. Sean: I'm repeating most everything you said, but the three of you, but tying it together a little bit. Art Deco again comes in, so geometric shaped purses. I specifically listed evening bags because evening bags are generally smaller ⁓ than, know, ⁓ purse that they're carrying around during the day, I guess. You only need a compact and, I mean, the evening bag would be your compact and what else? In-person participant 1: I'm repeating most everything you said, but the three of you, tying it together a little bit. Art Deco again comes in. So geometric shaped purses. I specifically listed evening bags because evening bags are generally smaller ⁓ than, you know, purse that they're carrying around during the day, I guess. only need a compact and I mean, the evening bag would be your compact and what else? Like your cigarettes, if you smoke lipstick and then Sean: like your cigarettes if you smoke lipstick and then you didn't have money. No. Shouldn't have had the right to vote either. What is happening? Number 16 number 16 the ask God. In-person participant 1: You didn't have money. No. Shouldn't have had the right to vote either. Number 16. pretending we're Erica Kirk. Number 16, the Ascot. Don't you ever. Sorry everybody. Number 16, Ascot, Andrea. I love an Ascot. My only note on this is good on you, Cary Grant. Just whatever I think. And I know it comes from the cravat that was worn at the Ascot. Sean: Number 16, Ascot. I love a NASCOT. My only note on this is good on you, Cary Grant. Just whatever I think. And I know it comes from the... In-person participant 1: races then the cravat changed and so that was the ascot. I just always think of like Clark Gable, Cary Grant. There's certain men that could wear them. love a, there's a great one, Hemingway was always like, but ⁓ just the white shirt with the red ascot. ⁓ Yeah, it's great. I don't know how you guys do it though. I I know it's really tough to be a man. but I just don't know how you do like neckties and ascots. That's just, that stresses me out. ⁓ It stresses me out. I can't tie them. I don't, I don't like them that more. don't like those are the two big ones. Yeah. Neckties and more neckties and more. Okay. Laurie. I love them. Sean: I know it's really tough to be a man, but I just don't know how you do like neckties and ascots. That's just that stresses me out. Oh, it stresses me out. I can't tie them. I don't I don't like them that more. don't like those are the two big ones neck ties and more neck ties and more. Okay, Lori. love them because they came in all kinds of In-person participant 1: Cause they came in all kinds of patterns. I wear scarves all the time. So to me, this is just like a smaller scarf. I think they're a great fashion statement. I, Cary Grant looked amazing. I that guy could pull up an ascot like nobody's business. just think, and a lot of times they were easier than tying a tie, honestly. And you could, it's just very expressive way to use fashion in my opinion. Sean: scarves all the time so to me this is just like a smaller scarf and I I think they're a great fashion statement I carry grant looked amazing I just I just think and a lot of times they were easier than tying a tie honestly and you could it's just very expressive way to use fashion my opinion yeah Michelle In-person participant 1: Michelle. Fred Jones. That's all I ever think of Scooby Doo. Oh yeah. Freddy had a fucking orange ass. He did. God, Fred was worthless. He was not. Yeah. Wow. He couldn't solve a crime to sit like, and then he always took credit. Poor Velma's like, bitch, I solved it. Sean: Fred Jones. That's all I ever think of Scooby Doo. ⁓ yeah. had a fucking orange ass. ⁓ He did. God, Fred was worthless. He was not. Yeah. Wow. He couldn't solve a crime. And then he always took credit. Poor Velma's like, bitch, I solved it. You're over here running around with Titsy McGee and I'm like, even when I lose my glasses, I solve this shit. You know which one of us is Titsy McGee in this video, right? You gotta be so mean to In-person participant 1: You're over here running around with Titsy McGee and I'm like, even when I lose my glasses, I solve this shit. You know which one of us is Titsy McGee in this scenario, right? You gotta be so mean to me. I like that they kind of, they were the more subdued version of like... you know, earlier century big ruffles, Bo brummel. Yes. And like, just like lace and extravagance. they were like, you know what, calm down a little bit. Maybe this can still look nice without it swallowing your head. Sorry folks. Sean: Number 17 the pillbox hat Michelle In-person participant 1: Number 17 the pillbox Pat Michelle Not break the rules here, but I am breaking the rules Okay, so we'll just start with you know, very small brimless usually unadorned solid color flat top Looks like a pillbox. Looks like a pillbox. you know, wool, velvet, some kind of fur, leopard skin. Thank you, Bob Dylan. ⁓ That's a reference to Leopard Skin Pillbox Hat by Bob Dylan, which was done even better by Raphael Saadik. Sorry you didn't get your Oscar, homie. Yeah, we're sorry about that. Yeah, the origins are from like Roman military uniforms and then later kind of adapted, but I just... ⁓ It's not for me. How about that? It's also not for first ladies when they go to other states. Loryn? You know... Sean: also not for first ladies when they go to other states. Lori? You know, I'm torn on this one because I love when they have the little netting over them, I don't think they're the most flattering hat in the whole world. If you're gonna do a hat, I don't know that pillbox is the way to go. I don't think it adds anything besides ladies were supposed to wear hats back then. I just, they're not my favorite. I think in the right outfit maybe it could work, but. In-person participant 1: I'm torn on this one because I love when they have the little netting over them, but I don't think they're the most flattering hat in the whole world. If you're gonna do a hat, I don't know that pillbox is the way to go. I don't think it adds anything besides ladies were supposed to wear hats back then. don't, I just, they're not my favorite. I think in the right outfit, maybe it could work, but ⁓ that's my opinion about those. Yeah, I'd rather have a fascinator than a pillbox hat. Agreed. Sean: Hmm. What is ⁓ that? In-person participant 1: What is that? So like a tiny, think like a yarmulke shape almost. Like when you see British ladies at the, you know, at a wedding or if they're not wearing a big hat, they're wearing kind of an off the side ⁓ piece with like usually some kind of netting or whatever. usually had like an awesome one for, or yeah, or a flower or something. That's a fascinator, right? Yeah. It's just a small. Fascinating. Yeah. That's it. I, I. Sean: So like a tiny thing like a yarmulke shape almost like when you see British ladies at the you know at a wedding or if they're not wearing a big hat they're wearing kind of an off the side ⁓ piece with okay usually some kind of netting or whatever like usually had like an awesome one for or yeah or a flower or something that's a fascinator right yeah it's just a small fascinating ⁓ Andrea that's it ⁓ I In-person participant 1: Concur with my two friends here. ⁓ I'm not a huge fan of the pillbox. I think very few women ⁓ Grace Kelly could wear one But it's still very few women. That's why more women went with the fascinator because you have to have a hat on ⁓ but it when it come precariously close to, lie, breaking the rules. It's not the 30s. It doesn't, it's not the 30s. You can't do that. You broke the rules. What about Credit Garbo? I only ask, is this design, even though Michelle was right, where it comes from, it was introduced by Gilbert Adrian for Credit Garbo in the 1932 film, As You Desire Me. No. I didn't say it worked. I'm just telling you what started it. Yeah. Sean: when it come precariously close to, hi, I'm breaking the rules. It's not the 30s. It's not the 30s. You can't do that. You broke the rules. What about Greta Garbo? I only ask because this design, even though Michelle was right where it comes from, it was introduced by Gilbert Adrian for Greta Garbo in the 1932 film As You Desire Me. I didn't say it worked. I'm just telling you what started it. In-person participant 1: It reminds me of a bell caps hat, like the little, you know, but if you have any amount of volume to your hair, I feel like this is a terrible hat for you. Right? Which is why going towards what you're, I think leaning towards, it's like when Jackie O was wearing these, she had great big hair and it just made the hat look, mean, I, listen, she was beautiful and she had mad fashion sense, but this, even though Halston was doing all Sean: It reminds me of a bell caps hat like the little yeah, but if you have if you have any amount of volume to your hair, I feel like this is a terrible hat for you. Yes. Which is why going towards what you're I think leaning towards is like when Jackie ⁓ was wearing these. had great big hair and it just made the hat look. mean, I listen she was beautiful and she had mad fashion sense. But this even though Halston was doing In-person participant 1: All these special hats for her. Like I just, ⁓ yeah, I just feel like you have to have a very specific look to pull this off and I just, ⁓ yeah. And again, I agree with what you broke the rules with. The show is called We Regret Nothing. And so far the only regret that I've ever had to say is I'm sorry that I talked shit about the South. You've done it twice though. You've said it and apologized twice now. But I regret that for those people that I Sean: Yeah, I just feel like ⁓ you have to have a very specific look and to pull this off and I just Yeah, and again, I agree with what you The show is called we regret nothing So far the only regret that I've like ever had to say is I'm sorry that I talked shit about the South Yeah, you've done it twice though. You've said it and apologized twice now wasn't intending but the racist and kid rock I meant it towards. Okay. Number 18. Number 18 is tea strap shoes. Lori. In-person participant 1: wasn't intending but the racist and kid rock I meant it towards. Number 18. When you say sorry not sorry I'm not sure but carry on. Number 18 is tea strap shoes. ⁓ Well this is a kind of a carryover from the 20s because it's still considered kind of a dancing shoe. ⁓ Still flattering. still super flexible. I like it. don't have a, mean, I don't think it's necessarily the thirties because I think it kind of still is, you people still wear them today. So I don't know if it's necessarily the thirties. Now, now Lori's doing it. It's contagious. it is a great, a great looking shoe. I mean, it is flattering to the foot, especially with the ankle strap. Yeah. Michelle. Sean: It's still considered kind of a dancing shoe. ⁓ Still flattering, still super flexible. I like it. don't have a, I mean, I don't think it's necessarily the thirties, cause I think it kind of still is, you people still wear them today. So I don't know if it's necessarily the thirties. Now, now Lori's doing it. It's, it's contagious. It is a great, a great looking shoe. I mean, it is flattering to the, especially with ankle strap. Yeah. Michelle? I love a t-strap shoe. The problem is the ankle. Usually, so I have a pair of really, really cute like basket woven design Michael In-person participant 1: ⁓ I love a t-strap shoe. The problem ⁓ is the ankle, right? Usually, so I have a pair of really, really cute, like basket woven design Michael Kors. They're gorgeous. They're open-toed though, so they aren't like as truly a t-strap, but they have a buckle that hits right there. and... And because they have about, I don't know, they have like a, I don't know, like a two inch heel on them maybe. They, they are tough to walk in because they like, look great, but they are a standing shoe or sitting shoe. They're a don't move. Right. Just put them on and post your feet pics because they are an ankle killer, but I love the look of them. love like just. the meeting of the strap up to the ankle. love the way they look, yeah, they're gorgeous. Andrew? I have, I like a T-strap, but I don't seek one out. ⁓ But I do like them. I know the shoes you're talking about. have coveted. Yeah, it's a great, was, it made a real, I mean, it's still around like Laurie said, like they're still obviously, Michelle's got a pair. ⁓ Sean: or sitting there don't move. Right. Put them on and post your feet. They are an ankle healer, but I love the look of them. I love like just the meeting of the strap up to the ankle. love the way they look. Yeah, they're gorgeous. Andrea. In-person participant 1: But it made a huge resurgence again in the 70s, because I remember everything. Every pair of shoes that I stole from my sisters and walked around until they caught me. Those were all T straps, because I remember trying to get it through, because they would pull it all the way out, because they knew I was four. So there's a reason that I couldn't get it so then I wasn't going to wear their super expensive shoes. ⁓ Sean: And like those were all t-straps because I remember like trying to get it through because they would pull it all the way out because they knew I was four. So there's a reason that but I couldn't like get it so then I wasn't gonna wear their super expensive shoes. But yeah, I do I do like them. Yeah. In-person participant 1: But yeah, I do like them. Yeah. I do love them in a sandal, like a flat sandal. Yeah. I've seen a big resurgence of that. So have I. There a pair that I just saw the other day at Macy's that I was like, ooh. Yeah. Because I wanted to get them from Mexico. Yeah, I saw a really cute. OK, anyway. They're very flattering to the foot, for sure. Oh, yeah. OK. Number 19. Sean: Number 19 the zipper It's crazy as that sounds, we got to talk about the zipper in the 30s. So Andrea. Oh, not the ride at the Puyallup Fair. It's a Washington State Fair. It's a Puyallup Fair. And if you call it the Washington State Fair, you're not getting in our bed tonight. It's a Puyallup Fair. What is it? The zipper is what it is. That's where I see you up on Daybreak. I mean, after. In-person participant 1: The zipper, as crazy as that sounds, but we gotta talk about the zipper in the 30s. So Andrea. Oh, not the ride at the Puyallup Fair. It's the Washington State Fair. It's the Puyallup Fair, and if you call it the Washington State Fair, you're not getting in our bed tonight. It's the Puyallup Fair. What is it? zipper is what it is. That's where I threw up on daybreak. mean after I got off the zipper. I can't imagine not having the zipper but we're just seeing but they zipper is great love the zipper that the garment thing not the right ⁓ but Sean: I can't imagine not having the zipper, we're just seeing... they... Zipper's great. Love the zipper. The garment thing. Not the right... ⁓ But... So many outfits from this time had the hidden zipper. I... Hidden zipper... In-person participant 1: So many outfits from this time had the hidden zipper. I... Hidden zippered on skirts that I had, like, or pants, or I was always getting it caught. And so it's like, I love this, but me personally, I was always like, fuck, I hate a hidden zipper. That's it, Sean. Okay. So we have the ride at the fair, hidden zippers. The fuel affair, No, hidden zippers are a bit... Do you have anything with hidden zippers? Have you ever that you know besides our silk pillowcases? Not that I can think of, Yeah, like it's zippers and zippers were a bitch. Like they've they've definitely evolved over the years because Sean: on skirts that I had like or pants or I was always getting caught and so it's like I love this but me personally I was always like fuck I hate a hidden zipper. That's it Sean. Okay so we have the ride at the fair hidden zippers and the Puyallup fair Sean. No hidden zippers are a bit do you have anything with hidden zippers? Have you ever that you know besides our So look, it's not that I can think of no. Yeah, like it's zippers and zippers were a bitch like they've they've definitely evolved over the years because I don't how many times would you get it caught when you were a little kid and that never happens now and I don't mean because I'm Dexterous is it dexterous dexterous? The zippers have just gotten better and better and better but In-person participant 1: I remember, how many times would you get it caught when you were a little kid? And that never happens now and I don't mean because I'm more dextrous? Is it dextrous? Dextrous? Um, zippers have just gotten better and better and better but to be able to be like zipped into an evening gown or zipped through the side, then, but that had to be great on so many bladders and sex lives. Sean: to able to be like zipped into an evening gown or zipped to the side but then but that's that that had to be great on so many bladders and sex lives. Laurie? It's interesting that you say that when you're a little kid because I read that it was marketed first of all In-person participant 1: What you were interesting that you say that when you're a little kid because I read that it was marketed first of all To for children's clothing to make them learn how to dress themselves. Yeah, which seems kind of tough But you know this is different time But I think in the right garment they are great, you know, they're quicker than buttons for sure Sean: Michelle? you know they're quicker than buttons for sure yeah okay Michelle In-person participant 1: I don't have a lot to say about it, but I'm glad that we have them today. Michelle? I also read the thing about for kids and that once again Elsa Shia Pirelli was like at the forefront of putting it into fashion where you actually could see it rather than it being hidden and it became part of like in her early collection she would actually show the zipper. Yes. Right. And actually use it as an adornment. And I, you know, I know from personal experience that Vera Wang was a big fan of Shia. I can never fucking say this. Is it Shia or is it Skia? I think it's Shia, but I don't know. Anyway, Elsa. Let's just call her Elsa. mean that because we were at dinner in San Francisco at Venue and Vera Wang was at the table across from us. She was wearing black, very like, you know, ⁓ neck to floor black dress. But when she got up, Sean: And I know from personal experience that Vera Wang was a big fan of Shia. I can never fucking say this. Is it Shia or is it Skia? I think it's Shia. Anyway, Elsa. Let's just call her Elsa. Because we were at dinner in San Francisco at Venue and Vera Wang was at the table across from us. She was wearing black berries, like, you know, neck to floor black dress. But when she got up, In-person participant 1: and she was going to the restroom, she had a solid gold zipper about this wide that went from the top all the way to the bottom. I wonder if I still have that picture because Michelle was like... man, mean it was. She was like stunning. I remember thinking like that's the only adornment on this dress. Otherwise, it just from the front looked like a very slim fitting, but nice kind of plain black dress. And then she turned out was like, holy shit. That's awesome. Yeah, it looked great. And I thought like, I never thought about a zipper as an adornment until that and then I read that no no that was part of the game back in the day. That's awesome. didn't didn't I'll do it when we review never mind I'll save that for when we review. Sean: I never thought about a zipper as an adornment until that and then I read that. No, no, that was part of the game back in the day. That's awesome. didn't, I'll do it when we review. Nevermind. I'll save that for when we review. ⁓ okay. I don't want to belabor this too much, but just a real quick historical perspective of in the beginning, ⁓ They're well, if you I don't want to go all the way back to 1851 not in the beginning but in in the process of the history of the zippers. So Chicago born Whitcomb Judson ⁓ created what he called a clasp locker. And and so this invention, which was described as a complicated fastener featuring hooks and eyes led by a guide to close an item. ⁓ And In-person participant 1: and eyes led by a guide to close an item. ⁓ And so he applies for it. It's a patent for his clasp locker. But in the patent application, he called it a shoe fastening clasp locker. So just naturally went for boots and shoes. ⁓ then ⁓ several much later, but because Judson's slide fastener was far from perfect, it would break open without warning. It was just so Sean: So he applies for, gets a patent for his clasp locker, but in the patent application, he called it a shoe fastening clasp locker. just naturally went for boots and shoes. ⁓ then, ⁓ several, much later, but, ⁓ cause Judson's slide fastener was far from perfect. It would break open without warning. And it was just so hard to actually get locked. So then 1906, 26 year old Swedish American electrical engineer Gideon Sundback was recruited to work at the Judson's Universal Fastener Company. And that was in Jersey, whatever, but he starts, he marries the daughter of the big boss and he gets promoted to be the head engineer and his, so he, and then unfortunately in 1911 when she passed, He just, all he did was work. He reportedly never left the factory. He worked for two years there and he creates the hookless fastener number one, which this is ⁓ featuring two facing rows of teeth that were pulled together by a single slider. It's a zipper. He created the zipper, but based on Judson's original design of the hook and clasp, he just, he made it better. And then to Lori's point, ⁓ somewhere around, because that was in 1913, I want to say 1914, they got the patent for it. And it just went on boots. So how we got the name Zipper, US manufacturing company BF Goodrich fitted the zipper to their rubber-based footwear, galoshes essentially. And someone at BF Goodrich, I couldn't find who, they called them zippers. I don't know why, I don't know. In-person participant 1: I want to say 1914 he they got the patent for it and it just went on boots So how we got the name zipper? ⁓ US manufacturing company BF Goodrich ⁓ fitted the zipper to the rubber based footwear galoshes essentially and Someone at BF Goodrich. I couldn't find who they call them zippers. I can't I don't know why I don't know maybe the noise or something It's the most likely thing but I don't want to say it like I know Sean: It's the most likely thing, but I don't want to say it like I know I just know BF Goodrich Goodrich started putting zippers in their boots and Somebody called them zippers and we have called them zippers ever since In-person participant 1: ⁓ I just know BF Goodrich started putting zippers in their boots and somebody called them zippers and we have called them zippers ever since. I read that part of it was the noise and when they marketed it was so that with a quick zip of your hand. Okay, so they started calling the boots then were called zippers. Okay. So in the 20s, the two ⁓ Sean: see what I mean? That's good too. That's good. They started calling it boots, then were called zippers. Okay. But I'll say, so in the 20s, ⁓ the two chief uses of the zipper were closing boots and tobacco pouches. They put zippers on tobacco pouches. In-person participant 1: uses of the zipper were closing boots and tobacco pouches. They put zippers on tobacco pouches. Sean: And I can't find where, but somewhere in the early 1930s to Lori's point, somebody got the bright idea of putting zippers on children's clothing for independence and everything you said. And then, you know, we got zippers. so the first major usage. In-person participant 1: And I can't find where, but somewhere in the early 1930s, to Lori's point, somebody got the bright idea of putting zippers on children's clothing ⁓ for independence and everything you said. And then, you know, we got zippers. read that the first major usage of it for clothing other than shoes was in 1925 in New York, they started putting them on leather jackets because it was a tougher material to keep clothes. tightly and so they started putting them on leather jackets. Yeah. Okay, so I'm when we were online from a book that, you know, leather jackets and zippers and it's just this week, oh look at all your zippers. It's like the sweetest lid. I thought you were going to make fun of me for putting zippers on here. No! No, no. And thanks for letting me bog it down with my history there. Okay, so number 20, gloves. I didn't want to be specific. We're talking evening gloves in general and that is Michelle. Sean: started putting them on leather jackets. Because it was a tougher material to keep closed tightly and so they started putting them on leather jackets. ⁓ Okay, so I'm happy. ⁓ I thought you were gonna make fun of me for putting zippers on here. So thanks for that And thanks for letting me bog it down with my history there. Okay, so number 20 Gloves, I didn't want to be specific. We're talking evening gloves in general and that is Michelle In-person participant 1: ⁓ Laurie, would you like to show off your good news, darling? they, they, ⁓ they were used both for... Laurie, how many pairs of gloves do you have? ⁓ fancy ones? No, just all. Wow. these ones and then I have my black ones that I wear every day and then just winter gloves. don't have Those are super. breaking into homes? I see you wear a lot of gloves. Oh my. My hands are very cold and I'm a bit of a germaphobe. So it does two things. So I have that they, know, in for fashion, they were used either for modesty or to convey elegance. Um, that the daytime, your regular daytime gloves were Sean: ⁓ my! ⁓ In-person participant 1: you know short they were washable usually cotton ⁓ or kid leather gloves ⁓ very basic colors really usually no patterns other versions like for evening would be longer, know opera length, adornments, embroidery, buttons, pearls, you know all kinds and usually silk or lace or something a much fancier material. A gauntlet, I love a gauntlet glove, big you know and those were functional at first used to keep like the cuffs of your dress clean or whatever but then later became fashionable and that they were used in lot of cases in the home to prevent spreading germs. Sean: but then later became fashionable and that they were used in a lot of cases in the home to prevent spreading germs. Michelle, you brought up gauntlet gloves. What do you love about them? They look fucking cool. The look of them? So listen, before prepping for this episode, didn't... In-person participant 1: Michelle, brought up gauntlet gloves. What do you love about them? They look fucking cool. The look of them? Before prepping for this episode, I didn't know that's what they were. I saw gauntlet gloves and had to go look them up. I saw the picture. I ⁓ I know what that is. Yeah. Because I think people, when they think about a gauntlet glove or like the guy at the zoo holding a raptor on his arm, right? Because that is a raptor. That is gauntlet glove, right? Protecting his... Sean: know that's what they were. I saw gauntlet gloves and had to go look them up. saw the picture and went, ⁓ I know what that is. ⁓ that makes sense. In-person participant 1: from being mauled by an owl or some shit. back then they were shorter, they were much more form-fitting and then would just have the gauntlet open up. And I just think they fucking look cool. And you could put cool shit on them, right? That was the part that was adorned, was the gauntlet, not the actual glove. Sean: You know, and I just think fucking look cool and you could put cool shit on them. They were often that was the part that was adorned was the gauntlet not the actual glove. Okay. Thank you for that. Lori. I love them. I wish I had more. think these were a gift. I we wear these every day. But I just think they're just great accessory like leather ones. I mean, these have a little In-person participant 1: Okay. Thank you for that. Lori. I love them. I wish I had more. I think these were a gift. I would wear these every day. But I just think they're just such a great accessory. Like leather ones. I mean, these have a little adornment on them, but I also, we talked about it in the twenties because the ladies were smoking. they're trying to keep that tobacco off ⁓ their hand, tobacco off their hand. And I used to love with the ladies and even into the forties and fifties, they would have like a little glove and Sean: But also, we talked about it in the 20s because the ladies were smoking, so they're trying to keep that tobacco off their In-person participant 1: They would come into the room and take off their gloves. It was like a whole procedure with a purse, glove. I just like the femininity of that. I just think they're cool. Andrew, anything else? I would have lost so many pairs because I did. ⁓ Because when I went to church when I was a little girl, I wore gloves to church. Sean: And I used to love with the ladies and even into the 40s and 50s, they would have like a little glove and they would come into the room and take off their gloves. It was like a whole it's like a whole procedure with a purse, glove. Like I just like the femininity of that. I just think it's I just think they're Andrea, any anything else? I. I have I would have lost so many pairs because I did, because when I. In-person participant 1: you wore gloves to church. didn't, the older women wore hats. And by older women, I mean like from like 18 on you had to, think it was more like marriageable. But so I had a whole bunch of white ⁓ velvet gloves. ⁓ And then like every time there was something formal, I would always go and get gloves to match my dress. I like that. I can hear you over there. I can hear you. I like the theater of it. ⁓ Like Laura said, that's one of my favorite scenes in Rear Window when she comes in when he's the first time you meet Lisa and she takes off her bolero jacket. She takes off her gloves and she takes off her hat. ⁓ But I do love that this was what it in one of the articles that read that women wore gloves nonstop unless eating or responding to nature. ⁓ Sean: But I do love that this was what it in one of the articles that read that women wore gloves nonstop unless eating or responding to nature. ⁓ Okay. And that is now my new one. You don't wipe your bits and pieces with your fucking gloves on. You nasty. So from now on, I'm just gonna say, I'll be back. I'm responding to nature. I like that, but, and I may be overthinking it, but I feel like responding to nature does several things. Yes. Whether it's intimacy with a partner, going to the facilities, responding to- Oh, stop keeping my gloves on. You're like bats. Oh. Bats in Animal House with their gloves on. In-person participant 1: And that is now my new one. Don't wipe your bits and pieces with your fucking gloves on, you nasty. From now on, I'm just gonna say, I'll be back. I'm responding to nature. I like that, and I may be overthinking it, but I feel like responding to nature does several things. Yes. Whether it's intimacy with a partner, going to the facilities. ⁓ I'm still keeping my gloves on. You're like Babs. ⁓ Babs in Animal House with the gloves on with Craig. Sean: Okay, so thank you all three of you for all of that. And so this is we're at the part of the show. No, no, no, no, we're missing a segment here. So this is our segment, you get one. And if you don't have one that just speaks to the fidelity of my list. If you do, I don't take offense. So that that's great. Lori, do you have anything for this segment? In-person participant 1: Okay, so thank you all three of you for all of that And so this is we're at the part of the show No, no, no, we're missing a segment here. So this is our segment you get one and If you don't have one that just speaks to the fidelity of my list. If you do, I don't take offense. So that's great. Lori, do you have anything for this segment? I do not. OK. Andrea? I did. And then I did the research and I was like, it doesn't fit 30s. it. no. Sean: Okay, Andrea? I did and then I did the research and I was like, oh, doesn't fit 30s, it. Oh, Michelle, anything? Okay, so now we can move on to the good part. So let's narrow this down to a top 10. I'm just going to give you the item and then ask you for a yes or no. So let's just start with the bias cut gown. And sorry, I need to go back. I'm going to give you the item and you're going to tell me yes or no. Does this item. In-person participant 1: Michelle anything? do not. Okay, so now we can move on to the good part. So let's narrow this down to a top ten. I'm just going to give you the item and then ask you for a yes or no. So let's just start with the bias cut gallon. And sorry, I need to go back. I'm going to give you the item and you're going to tell me yes or no. Does this item with no explanation represent the 1930s? So again, it's not whether you like it or don't like it or whatever. Sean: with no explanation represent the 1930s. So again, it's not whether you like it or don't like it or whatever it is when aliens open the capsule and look at the item, will they understand that this came from the 1930s? Okay, so the bias cut gown, Lori. Yes. Andrea. Yes. Michelle. Yes. In-person participant 1: is when aliens open the capsule and look at the item will they understand that this came from the ⁓ 1930s? so the bias cut gown, Lori? Yes. Andrea? Yes. Michelle? Yes. Number two wide leg trousers for women, Andrea? Yes. Michelle? Yes. Lori? Yes. ⁓ Sean: Number two, wide leg trousers for women. Andrea? Yes. Michelle? Yes. Laurie? Yes. ⁓ wow. Okay. Number three, double breasted suit. Michelle? Yes. Laurie? It's okay Laurie. Andrea? Yes. ⁓ Number four, puffed sleeves. Laurie? Yes. In-person participant 1: Okay. Number three, double breasted suit, Michelle. Lori. It's okay, Lori. No. Andrea? Yes. ⁓ number four, puffed sleeves, Lori. Yes. Sean: Andrea? No. Michelle? No. ⁓ Lori. You all are going against our fashion. ⁓ We're wrong. Okay, okay number five, an evening cape. ⁓ Andrea? Yes. Michelle? Yes. Lori? Yes. In-person participant 1: Andrea no Michelle no ⁓ Laurie yes Michelle yes Laurie yes ⁓ Lori's like, I'm gonna hold you all up in my thrall. Yeah, don't hold me responsible for this. I'm just taking those. ⁓ Number seven, Hollywood waves. just, yeah, the Hollywood waves. Michelle. No. Lori. ⁓ no. Andrea. No. Number seven, backless dresses. Lori. Sean: Yeah, don't hold me responsible for this. I'm just taking notes. ⁓ Number seven, Hollywood waves. just, yeah, the Hollywood waves. Michelle. Laurie. Andrea. No. Number seven backless dresses. Lori. In-person participant 1: about this one? I think no. Andrea? Yes. Michelle? No. ⁓ Oxford bags? Andrea. Sean: I think no. Okay, Andrea? Yes. Michelle? No. Okay. ⁓ Oxford bags, Andrea. In-person participant 1: No. Michelle? Yes. Laurie? No. Sean: No. Michelle? Yes. Laurie? No. Felt fedora. Michelle? Yes. Laurie? Yes. Andrea? Jason Mraz. Spectator shoes. Laurie? In-person participant 1: ⁓ Felt Fedora. Michelle. Yes. Laurie. Yes. Andrea. Jason Mraz. Spectator shoes. Laurie. I think no. Andrea. No. Michelle. Yes. Sean: Andrea? No. Michelle? Yes. Belted day dresses. Andrea? Yes. Michelle? Yes. Laurie? Yes. okay. How many yeses do I have? I forgot how to count. ⁓ One, two, three, four, five, six, seven yeses. Okay, thank you. Peaked lapels. Michelle? In-person participant 1: Belted day dresses. Andrea? Yes. Michelle? Yes. Laurie? Yes. Okay. Shawn, how many yeses do I have? I forgot how to count. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven yeses. Okay, thank you. ⁓ Pete LaPel's Michelle? No. Laurie? No. Andrea? No. Sean: No. Laurie. No. Andrea. No. necktie with tie pin. Lori. In-person participant 1: necktie with tie pin. Glory. I'm going to say, I don't even know, what am I at? How many yeses do you have? Sean: ⁓ How many yeses do you have? You have six yeses. And right now we have five that are in. In-person participant 1: I'm going say no. Even though I love them. Laurie says no. I love them but no. Andrea? What are we on? Neck tie with tie pin. Sorry, I to go on. I worked the head. No. Michelle? No. Sean: Laurie says no. Andrea? Necktie with tie pin. Sorry, I worked the head. No. Michelle. No. Bolero jacket, Andrea. Yes. Michelle. Yes. Lori. Yes. In-person participant 1: Bolero jacket Andrea. Michelle. Yes. Laurie. Yes. Sean: Beaded evening bags. Michelle. Yes. Andrea. Yes. That's supposed to be Lori. Sorry, Lori? Yes. Okay. And the ascot. Lori. I love these so In-person participant 1: Beaded evening bags? Michelle? Yes. Andrea? Yes. That's supposed to be Lori. Sorry, Lori? Yes. Okay. ⁓ And the Ascot. Lori. I love these so much. But... No. Andrea? No. Michelle? No. Sean: Andrea? No. For sure. Pillbox hat Andrea? No. Michelle? No. Laurie? In-person participant 1: Hillbox hat Andrea? No. No. Laurie? No. T-strap, are we saying sandal? What do they call that? Just shoe. Just shoe, sorry. T-strap, shoe. Michelle? Love it, but no. Laurie? No. Andrea? No. Laurie, you were all so sad. The zipper. Laurie? Sean: T-strap, are we saying sandal? What did I call that? Just shoe. Just shoe, sorry. T-strap, shoe. Michelle. Laurie Andrea. So just the zipper Laurie. Andrea? No. Michelle? No. Okay. And the gloves, the let's just say gauntlet gloves. All gloves. All gloves. Andrea? Michelle? No. Laurie? Yes. Okay. So let me just start with what we have. We have one, two, three, four, five, six, seven. And there are one. In-person participant 1: Andrea? No. Michelle? No. Okay. And the gloves, the, let's just say gauntlet gloves. All gloves. All gloves. Okay. All gloves. Yes. Michelle? No. Laurie? Yes. Okay. So let me just start with what we have. We have one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, and there are one, Sean: ⁓ there's actually only, ⁓ there's two. So there's two where ⁓ two of you voted yes and one of you voted no. And my inclination is to include those in the yeses. Okay. Okay. So then that would be the, sorry Lori, ⁓ that number three, Lori, the double-breasted suit. And then that's, there's two nos, all nos, nos, nos, nos. In-person participant 1: ⁓ there's actually only, ⁓ there's two. So there's two where two of you voted yes and one of you voted no. And my inclination is to include those in the yeses. Okay. Okay. So then that would be the, sorry Lori, ⁓ that number three, Lori, the double-breasted suit. And then that's a, there's two nos, all nos, those. Sean: Nose, nose, yep, so that then leaves us with number 20, gloves. In-person participant 1: So do we have 10? We have one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine. So starting at the top, puff sleeves, Andrea Michelle or knows. So Lori, if you would make your case for puff sleeves in the 1930s. Well, I think it kind of goes to like it's the silhouette because they could really play up. Sean: So do we have 10? We have 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9. We have 9. So starting at the top, puff sleeves. Andrea and Michelle are nos. So Lori, if you would, make your case for puff sleeves in the 1930s. Well, I think it kind of goes to the silhouette, because they could really play up. In-person participant 1: any garment with a puff sleeve. Okay. You could make it feminine. You could make it dramatic. I just think it had a lot, a lot of classes for me. Okay. Well you have to convince the two people on the couch. I just think, I think it adds to the silhouette of the V silhouette that both women and men favored. Yeah. I think, I mean, yeah, if done wrong, it can get a little crazy, but I can see like, are we thinking twenties? Sean: any garment with a puff sleeve. Okay. You could make it feminine. You could make it dramatic. I just think it had a lot of pluses for me. Okay. Well, you have to convince the two people on the couch. think it adds to the silhouette of the V silhouette that both women and men favored. Yeah. I think, I mean, yeah, if done wrong, it can get a little crazy. But I can see like, are we thinking 20s? In-person participant 1: My no was based on when I see that look I think earlier in the century. Same here. Like I don't think about it specifically in that time frame. That's exactly... That makes a lot of sense. Fashion-wise it was all over but it's not when I look at it I don't immediately think about the 30s. Which is the only reason I said no. Yeah, that makes sense. Okay. So next, Andrea, I have backless dresses. You were a yes and the other two were nos. Sean: Yes. Which is the only reason I said no. Yeah, that makes sense. Okay. So next, Andrea, I have backless dresses. You wear a yes and the other two wear nos. Why? Why is a backless dress represent the 30s? In-person participant 1: why why is a backless dress represent the 30s? It started showing up in movies more but before that it goes to the what Michelle said earlier about going away from the androgyny of the 20s a backless dress and to me the reason it says 30s is just the drama of it ⁓ how, like I said, when we first talked about it, like you see the front and a woman could be completely covered and you turn around and there's so much, it's not just the backless dress, like I said before, you're either the twins are free or you have, like there's so much to think about ⁓ what is under that dress and what is keeping things held if there is anything, like it just, where the 30s was like, you know what, we're good, we're fucking, let's go for this. It's just. Sean: We're fucking let's go for this. It's just I could give on this I think because I don't my initial argument was exactly the same as like when I see it I don't think about the 30s except when I see it on a movie star now when I see it on an actress now I immediately think of it like a throwback to old Hollywood glamour, so In-person participant 1: I could give on this, think, because I don't, my initial argument was exactly the same. It's like when I see it, I don't think about the 30s except when I see it on a movie star now, when I see it on an actress now, I immediately think of it like a throwback to old Hollywood glamour. So. Does that mean necessarily that I think about the 30s? I don't know, but I'm willing to budge on this one based on just that reaction. when you're Oscar's red carpet, for instance, right? Zendaya turns around and that shit's plunged into her ass crack. I think, ooh, that's like, you know, something you used to see in the, yeah. So I would give on that one for sure. Okay. Sean: Does that mean necessarily that I think about the 30s? I don't know, but I'm willing to budge on this one based on just that reaction. when you're Oscar's red carpet, for instance, right? Zendaya turns around and that shit's plunged into her ass crack. I think, ooh, that's like something you used to see in the, yeah. So I would give on that one for sure. Okay. In-person participant 1: So it's between backless dresses and puff sleeves? Or did Michelle... changes her... ⁓ okay! No. Okay. That gives us ten. But Michelle didn't get to defend her... ⁓ What was the one I said? So Michelle was a yes, the other two were no... ⁓ I do remember that. Was number ten. Sean: So it's between backless dresses and puff sleeves? No, if Michelle changes her... ⁓ okay. No, that gives us 10. But Michelle didn't get to defend her... ⁓ What was the one I said? So Michelle was a yes when the other two were no. ⁓ I do remember that. Was number 10. One, two, three. spectator shoes. Michelle said yes and the other two said no. I you know I could see is your no because they they bridged a couple of decades. Yes. Okay. Then I'm good with that because I agree with that. In-person participant 1: I, you know, I could see, is your no because they, they bridged a couple of decades? Yes. Okay. Then I, yes, then I'm good with that. Cause I agree with that. Okay. Yeah. I 40 is more when I see spectator shoes. And I could budge on the backless dresses. Cause I like that throwback. Cause you're right. That does have more of a connotation of someone see a modern day puff sleeve, maybe not so much, but a modern day. Yeah. It immediately makes me think of you think of the Hollywood climber. Sean: Okay. Yeah, think 40s more when I see spectator shoes. And I could budge on the backless dresses because I like that throwback because you're right that does have more of a connotation of someone see a modern day puff sleeve, maybe not so much, but a modern day. Yeah, it immediately makes me think of you think of the holly holly of the 30s. In-person participant 1: Okay, well we have our top ten. Yay! Will you recap? Yes, please. So our top ten in no particular order. Bias cut gown, wide leg trousers for women, double breasted suit, evening cape, backless dresses, felt fedora, belted day dresses, bolero jacket, Sean: Okay, well we have our top 10. Yay! Will you recap, please? Yes, so our top 10 in no particular order. Bias cut gown, wide leg trousers for women, double breasted suit, evening cape, backless dresses, felt fedora, belted day dresses, bolero jacket, beaded evening bags, and gloves. That is our top 10. So, if you're still with us, made it through this, all of the tomfoolery, ⁓ thank you, number one. But number two, ⁓ connect with us on our social media, let us know what you think of the top 10. me know that I'm horrible at this, let those three know that they're crazy and wrong. I really don't care what you say, to be frank. I mean, within reason, but... ⁓ In-person participant 1: If you're still with us, made it through this, all of the top foolery. you, number one. But number two, connect with us on our social media. Let us know what you think of the top 10. Let me know that I'm horrible at this. Let those three know that they're crazy and wrong. I really don't care what you say, to be frank. I mean, within reason. don't be a dick. Yeah, don't be a dick. That's probably a good rule. And then the other one. Sean: Yeah, don't be a dick. That's probably a good rule. And then the other one, you know, take care of yourself. Until next time, we'll see you then.