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Remembering Charlie Kirk from the Kennedy Center Vigil · The Ben Ferguson Podcast

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Speaker 1: There are two things that are happening right now in
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Speaker 1: this country because of the assassination of Charlie Kirk. One
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Speaker 1: is truly a spiritual revival we are witnessing right now,
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Speaker 1: as attendance at church across the country in many places
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Speaker 1: was as high as it is on Easter Sunday and
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Speaker 1: Christmas Eve services. We are also witnessing a younger generation
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Speaker 1: who is now proudly standing up like never before for
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Speaker 1: what they believe in instead of being bullied into silence
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Speaker 1: by the radical left. We are also getting to know
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Speaker 1: the stories of Charlie Kirk and just how dedicated he
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Speaker 1: was to what he believed in. There's also a second
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Speaker 1: part of this story, and that is the accountability for
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Speaker 1: the radical left. We are witnessing now. Leftists who celebrated
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Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk's assassination are being held accountable, being fired at
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Speaker 1: a rapid rate, and conservatives are uniting to make sure
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Speaker 1: that these individuals, especially at high schools and colleges, are
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Speaker 1: no longer in a position to indoctrinate a generation to
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Speaker 1: believing that violence is the way to silence speech that
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Speaker 1: you disagree with. Before we get into all of that, though,
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Speaker 1: I want you to hear some truly inspiring words by
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Speaker 1: the pastor of Charlie Kirk and what he had to
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Speaker 1: say about Charlie, his friend and his passing. Listen carefully.
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Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk is irreplaceable. Charlie Kirk is a once in
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Speaker 2: a generation mind and soul and anointing and heart. Charlie
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Speaker 2: Kirk was a rare combination of evangelist, apologist and political strategist.
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Speaker 2: One of our most recent communications, he said, thank you.
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Speaker 2: I have a ton of questions. I didn't ask for it,
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Speaker 2: but I have become a high profile defender of the faith.
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Speaker 2: I need to be the best I can. I said,
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Speaker 2: I'd be honored to serve for free, invisibly as needed.
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Speaker 2: You have an anointing to steward and it's massive. Proud
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Speaker 2: of you and pray for you and your family daily.
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Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk and I had been communicating. I was on
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Speaker 2: vacation with my wife and he was asking one week
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Speaker 2: could get together for a half day. He had a
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Speaker 2: bunch of questions about the Christian faith that he wanted
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Speaker 2: to wipe board out, and I told him it would
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Speaker 2: be a great honor of my life to try and
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Speaker 2: serve him He told me that he felt like God
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Speaker 2: gave him this platform an opportunity so that he could
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Speaker 2: become an evangelist and apologist to the next generation. He
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Speaker 2: wanted to make it his primary message and life work
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Speaker 2: to proclaim the good news of the Gospel of Jesus Christ,
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Speaker 2: which is evangelism, and then defend it by answering criticisms, questions,
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Speaker 2: and objections, which is called apologetics, which means to defend
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Speaker 2: the faith. Charlie Kirk stepped into a level of spiritual
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Speaker 2: warfare that I believe moved him to the top of
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Speaker 2: the enemy's hit list and to some degree contributed to
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Speaker 2: his assassination, his murder, and has martyrdom today. And I
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Speaker 2: do not use those words lightly. Those are entirely accurate
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Speaker 2: and fit the description of the demonic activity that we
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Speaker 2: saw today. Charlie wanted people to meet Jesus Christ, and
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Speaker 2: he wanted to do the best job that he could
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Speaker 2: presenting the Gospel of Jesus Christ. And as a result,
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Speaker 2: Charlie was going to campuses and he was proclaiming Jesus
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Speaker 2: and he was answering questions, and he was a generational
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Speaker 2: master in doing what the Bible says and that is
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Speaker 2: to give an answer to everyone for the hope that
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Speaker 2: you have with gentleness and respect. He was a joyful,
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Speaker 2: happy warrior. He had a great smile. He was kind
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Speaker 2: to his enemies. He tried to have a good time
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Speaker 2: even when they were trying to give him a bad time.
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Speaker 2: His impact on this generation cannot be overstated. I believe
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Speaker 2: it is absolutely non hyperbolic to say that he is
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Speaker 2: the greatest conservative voice of this generation alive on planet Earth.
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Speaker 2: And one of the last times I saw him was backstage.
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Speaker 2: It was actually some months ago, I believe, when JD
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Speaker 2: Vance was in town and Charlie invited me to come
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Speaker 2: meet JD in the greenroom and hang out with them,
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Speaker 2: and I walked in with a big smile. He gave
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Speaker 2: me a big hug and he said, he said, I
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Speaker 2: need you to be praying for me, Pastor. I said, absolutely,
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Speaker 2: I pray for Charlie every day my wife and I have,
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Speaker 2: and for his beautiful family. He said, he said, I
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Speaker 2: think they're going to try and kill me. And he
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Speaker 2: said if we lose, I think they're going to incarcerate me.
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Speaker 2: Here's a young man with a family who's willing to
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Speaker 2: sacrifice his own life and well being, and the joy
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Speaker 2: he had with a wife whom he very much loved
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Speaker 2: and children that he completely adored. For the sake of
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Speaker 2: selfless service and sacrifice out of love for others. Charlie
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Speaker 2: is was and will forever be one of the most
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Speaker 2: significant men who walked on planet Earth in his generation.
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Speaker 1: You listen to Charlie's pastor there talking about how much
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Speaker 1: he wanted to prepare, how much he wanted to make
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Speaker 1: sure that he was prepared for the questions about the Gospel,
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Speaker 1: about his faith being an apologist. That is how much
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Speaker 1: he cared about spreading the Gospel to the world. There's
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Speaker 1: also incredible things that have come out of this. Give
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Speaker 1: you an exam that that happened and was just sent
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Speaker 1: to me a moment ago.
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Speaker 3: JD.
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Speaker 1: Vance, the Vice President the United States of America, will
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Speaker 1: have the quote honor as he put out on social
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Speaker 1: media of hosting the Charlie Kirk Show. He said, please
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Speaker 1: join me as I paid tribute to my friend. Apparently
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Speaker 1: he will be doing this from the White House. There's
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Speaker 1: also part of what Charlie's legacy was, and it was
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Speaker 1: an important one, was making sure that the Left didn't
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Speaker 1: get a hold of our children indoctrinate them the way
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Speaker 1: they've been doing it in such a radical way. And
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Speaker 1: we're now witnessing leftists who celebrated Charlie kirk assassination or
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Speaker 1: being fired at a rapid pace. Those leftists who celebrated
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Speaker 1: the assassination of Charlie are now facing serious consequences, consequences
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Speaker 1: of sunlight after they were excited that Charlie was murdered.
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Speaker 1: Others are being identified and called out, then placed on
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Speaker 1: leave or suspect. According to a running thread that keeps
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Speaker 1: count on social media platform x As you know, we
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Speaker 1: understand how extreme the left has become, but what we
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Speaker 1: are witnessing right now is that there are many who
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Speaker 1: are dedicating their time to exposing far left radicals, and
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Speaker 1: one of those groups, Libs of TikTok, is doing a
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Speaker 1: lot of the heavy lifting when it comes to pointing
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Speaker 1: out how much violence and hate are still brewing on
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Speaker 1: the left regarding Charlie. A teacher, for example, at King
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Speaker 1: Elementary School posts a video online appearing to celebrate Charlie
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Speaker 1: being assassinated. This person teaches your children. Any comments and
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Speaker 1: guess what happened when that was posted about a teacher
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Speaker 1: at King elementary school. There has now been accountability. There
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Speaker 1: is another post by another teacher at another high school
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Speaker 1: in Maine and what happened there. She said, we're not
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Speaker 1: offering sympathy moments after Charlie Kirk was shot. This teacher
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Speaker 1: has also been exposed. Republican activist Scott Presler is also
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Speaker 1: creating a database of such behavior and encouraging his followers
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Speaker 1: to send him any examples that they see online. Another
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Speaker 1: Pennsylvania teacher by the name of Susan another high school.
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Speaker 1: One of Presler's posts made it clear this is a
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Speaker 1: woman who said, so yeah, I don't really care that
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Speaker 1: someone shot him dead. F him. This is another teacher
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Speaker 1: teaching your children, and so yes, there is some accountability
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Speaker 1: for the radical left that has been creating these killers,
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Speaker 1: these monsters. All right, I want to take a moment
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Speaker 1: and I want to talk to you real quick about
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Speaker 1: what you can do to help the people in Israel.
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Speaker 1: It was nearly two years ago that the terrorists murdered
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Speaker 1: more than twelve hundred innocent Israelis and they took two
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Speaker 1: hundred and fifty hostages. Today, it seems as if the
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Speaker 1: cries of the dead and dying have been drowned out
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Speaker 1: by the shouts of anti Semitism and just pure hatred,
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Speaker 1: not just in America but around the world. And the
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Speaker 1: most brutal attack on Jewish people happened. It happened since
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Speaker 1: the Holocausts, and now it's like they're trying to act
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Speaker 1: like it never happened. Now, this is where it is
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Speaker 1: important for us to stand with the people in Israel.
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Speaker 1: It's a movement of love and support for the people
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Speaker 1: of Israel, and this is where I want you to
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Speaker 1: get involved. It is called Flags of Fellowship. It's being
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Speaker 1: organized by the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews. On
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Speaker 1: October fifth, you can stand with Israel and the victims proudly.
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Speaker 1: Just a few weeks away, millions across America will prayerfully
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Speaker 1: plant an Israeli flag in honor and solidarity with the
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Speaker 1: victims of October the seven, twenty twenty three, and stand
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Speaker 1: with their grieving families. You can be a part of
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Speaker 1: this movement as well. And that's what I love about
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Speaker 1: what IFCJ does. They're making sure that the world knows
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Speaker 1: there are there are lots of people of faith in
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Speaker 1: this country and friends and advocates for Israel. They're going
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Speaker 1: to stand with them. You can get more information about
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Speaker 1: how you can join the Flags of Fellowship movement, including
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Speaker 1: your church. There are going to be countless churches around
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Speaker 1: the country. They're going to plant flags as well. So
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Speaker 1: all you have to do to get involved with Flags
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Speaker 1: of Fellowship movement is go to IFCJ dot org. That's
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Speaker 1: IFCJ dot org Stand with Israel on October the fifth.
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Speaker 1: It's just a few weeks away. And if your church
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Speaker 1: you think would want to be involved, you can also
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Speaker 1: find out more about how to get your church to
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Speaker 1: be involved on a special Sunday at IFCJ dot org.
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Speaker 1: That's if CJ dot org. There is also a shocking
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Speaker 1: statistic that needs to be brought up. And you understand
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Speaker 1: now how this younger generation has become so violent because
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Speaker 1: the radical left that is controlling our schools and these
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Speaker 1: teachers that I was just mentioning are in doctrine in
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Speaker 1: your kids to believe that violence is okay if it's
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Speaker 1: against someone you don't like. How bad has it gotten
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Speaker 1: The radical Democratic Party has done this to our youngest generation.
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Speaker 1: Political violence is never acceptable, is the poll question of
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Speaker 1: baby boomers. Ninety three percent say political violence is never acceptable.
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Speaker 1: The number then goes down with gen X to eighty
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Speaker 1: six percent who say political violence is never acceptable. The
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Speaker 1: number drops even lower with millennials to seventy one percent.
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Speaker 1: Just seventy one percent of millennials say political violence is
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Speaker 1: never acceptable. But here's the number you need to really
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Speaker 1: understand the left that's taken over our universities, in our
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Speaker 1: school public and private, have convinced the gen Zers the
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Speaker 1: political violence is acceptable. In fact, just fifty eight percent
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Speaker 1: of gen Zers say the political violence is never acceptable,
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Speaker 1: meaning forty two percent of gen Zer's believe the political
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Speaker 1: violence and what we've witnessed with Charlie Kirk is acceptable.
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Speaker 1: I want you to think about that. So, Yes, as
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Speaker 1: Reverend Franklin Graham put it, Charlie Kirk's voice is being magnified. Yes,
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Speaker 1: churches are full. Yes people are searching. Yes, people are
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Speaker 1: thinking and talking about what Charlie Kirk believed in. Yes,
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Speaker 1: more people now than probably ever before are watching and
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Speaker 1: listening to what Charlie Kirk had said in the past.
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Speaker 1: But the reality is also very clear, there is still
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Speaker 1: a lot of hate. There is still a lot of
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Speaker 1: people out there that are celebrating the death of Charlie Kirk.
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Speaker 1: I want to play for you with the Speaker of
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Speaker 1: the House, Mike Johnson, had to say, as he was
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Speaker 1: one of the first to speak at the prayer vigil
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Speaker 1: at the Kennedy Center that was put on with forty
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Speaker 1: eight hours notice, and I want you to listen carefully
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Speaker 1: to his message about who Charlie Kirk was and what
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Speaker 1: it means going forward.
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Speaker 3: No, no, right, Thank you all so much. It does
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Speaker 3: my heart good to see you, and they hear that
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Speaker 3: all the way in heaven. I'm telling you, it's been
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Speaker 3: a very, very difficult week in America. We all know
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Speaker 3: that it's been a mixture of unspeakable sadness and grief
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Speaker 3: and anger and even fear. It's as if a dark
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Speaker 3: shadow was cast over our country, and certainly here even
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Speaker 3: on Capitol Hill.
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Speaker 4: The leaders of the nation have been shaken.
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Speaker 3: As have university students and college students and young people
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Speaker 3: all across the country. Is as if the ground was
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Speaker 3: shifted beneath us. We all felt it deep deep inside.
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Speaker 3: And in spite of that, we remember that our dear
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Speaker 3: friend Charlie would never want us to be overcome by despair.
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Speaker 4: He would want exactly the opposite.
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Speaker 3: You know, Charlie Kirk recruited and trained and educated a
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Speaker 3: generation of happy warriors, and we do well to be
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Speaker 3: reminded that the best way to honor his memory and
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Speaker 3: to honor his unmatched legacy, is to live as Charlie did.
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Speaker 4: That's right. I just have two thoughts.
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Speaker 3: At a very brief moment I'm given to speak to
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Speaker 3: you tonight, I just want to give you two thoughts
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Speaker 3: in that regard. If we can do two things that
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Speaker 3: Charlie did, we will honor that legacy. One is to
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Speaker 3: advance his principles, and the other is to adopt his approach.
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Speaker 3: Now regarding his principles, Charlie was a man of deep
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Speaker 3: faith and conviction. Everyone here can testify to that, and
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Speaker 3: all the speakers will tonight. I mean, he meant it
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Speaker 3: to his core. He was authentic, and that's what drew
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Speaker 3: people to the message so much. And he believed in
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Speaker 3: the things that are noble and praiseworthy and good that
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Speaker 3: scripture talks about. He believed in family and freedom, faith
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Speaker 3: and virtue and patriotism. See, Charlie understood that we live
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Speaker 3: in the greatest nation in the history of the world.
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Speaker 3: It's not even close. I don't care what anybody argues,
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Speaker 3: and Charlie could beat them all. We're the most We're
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Speaker 3: the most free, most successful, most powerful, most benevolent nation
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Speaker 3: that has ever been on the earth. And Charlie understood why,
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Speaker 3: and he wanted others to understand it as well, because
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Speaker 3: Charlie knew that if you don't understand the source.
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Speaker 4: Of your freedom, it is easy for it to be
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Speaker 4: taken away.
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Speaker 3: Charlie believed in the creed of our country, which we
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Speaker 3: will celebrate our two hundred and fiftieth anniversary next year, right.
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Speaker 3: Charlie loved to take university students and young people through
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Speaker 3: the second paragraph of the declaration. We hold these truths
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Speaker 3: to be self evident. By the way, students, what is
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Speaker 3: the self evident truth? That's something that's obvious. We hold
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Speaker 3: these truths to be self evident. That all men are
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Speaker 3: created equal, not born equal, created equal.
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Speaker 4: That's what Charlie knew.
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Speaker 3: And Charlie knew that because of that, because what the
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Speaker 3: Founders said, what they articulated that God created us, He's
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Speaker 3: the one that gave us our inn ailible rights. Charlie
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Speaker 3: Kirk stood for the principle and he shared it everywhere.
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Speaker 3: He could our rights do not derive from the state
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Speaker 3: or a king, They come from the King of kings.
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Speaker 4: Charlie also taught.
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Speaker 3: So effectively he did it as well as anybody in
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Speaker 3: his generation or possibly for many generations, that the other
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Speaker 3: principles that come from that what the founders do and
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Speaker 3: when they put this country together, this grand experiment in
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Speaker 3: self governance, they understood that we are made in the
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Speaker 3: image of God.
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Speaker 4: And because of that, that's right. Because of that, Charlie
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Speaker 4: knew and he believed.
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Speaker 3: It, and you could see it in how he he
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Speaker 3: advanced this ministry of his.
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Speaker 4: He knew that because we're all made in the image
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Speaker 4: of God, every single person has an estimable dignity and value.
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Speaker 3: And your values are not related in any way or
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Speaker 3: the color of your skin, or what zip code you
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Speaker 3: live in where you go to school. It's irrelevant your
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Speaker 3: values and hear it because it is given to you
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Speaker 3: by God.
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Speaker 4: That's what Charlie Kirk believed. That's what Charlie Kirk believed.
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Speaker 3: If we could advance those principles that Charlie advanced, we'll
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Speaker 3: be able to save this great republic.
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Speaker 4: And that's what he was all about. But we should
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Speaker 4: also adopt his approach.
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Speaker 3: See Charlie loved a vigorous debate, but he loved people
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Speaker 3: more Charlie. That's right, Charlie. Charlie was never motivated by hate.
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Speaker 3: I mean he could cling the thock of anybody in
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Speaker 3: a debate. We all know it.
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Speaker 4: But you know what he did after those debates.
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Speaker 3: He was always the first person to reach out a
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Speaker 3: hand of friendship or to offer an arm around the
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Speaker 3: shoulder of someone who he felt was lost, because in
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Speaker 3: many places, inny cases, that people he was debating were
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Speaker 3: indeed loss, not just philosophically but spiritually.
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Speaker 4: And Charlie knew the truth, and he knew that eternity
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Speaker 4: awaits us all. We know exactly where Charlie is right now,
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Speaker 4: that's right.
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Speaker 3: Charlie had such faith and such such belief, and he
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Speaker 3: wanted to share that truth with others. And what he
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Speaker 3: was trying to do is pull people back from the abyss,
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Speaker 3: not just to save a country, but to save souls.
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Speaker 3: That's what Charlie Kirk was about. And that will resonate.
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Speaker 3: It goes far beyond him. His legacy is immeasurable. I
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Speaker 3: used to be a lawyer. I defended free speech and
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Speaker 3: religious freedom and all that in the courts, and we
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Speaker 3: tried to We talked a lot about advancing and preserving
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Speaker 3: the free marketplace of ideas. I think Charlie Kirk offered
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Speaker 3: more productive content the free market place of ideas than
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Speaker 3: anyone in its general and arguably in the last hundred.
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Speaker 4: Years of US history.
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Speaker 3: I could go on and on, but I'm out of
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Speaker 3: time because you have a lot.
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Speaker 4: Of great people to hear from tonight.
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Speaker 3: Everybody has a story about Charlie and they're all worthy
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Speaker 3: to be shared.
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Speaker 4: And I wouldn't know.
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Speaker 3: We'll be doing that for many days to come. I
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Speaker 3: just leave you with a thought from Edmund Burke. It's
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Speaker 3: attributed to him, and Charlie knew this quote well. He
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Speaker 3: was my friend. We talked about these things. He reminded
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Speaker 3: young people, all that is necessary for the triumph of
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Speaker 3: evil is that good men do nothing. Charlie Kirk did
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Speaker 3: so much in his short life that he spurred that
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Speaker 3: on in other people. He inspired it in other people,
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Speaker 3: and that message and that truth will go.
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Speaker 4: More boldly now than it did while he was here.
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Speaker 4: It will go forward with power and strength.
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Speaker 1: That's it.
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Speaker 3: I've been asked to offer a brief word of prayer,
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Speaker 3: so if you would do that with me. Heavenly Father,
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Speaker 3: we come to you tonight in sadness, but also with
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Speaker 3: grateful hearts because we know that your truth endoors. We
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Speaker 3: know where our dear brother and friend, Charlie is. We
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Speaker 3: thank you that he is receiving his reward and that
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Speaker 3: he's heard those words that we all aspire to hear.
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Speaker 3: Well done, good and faithful servant, Father, help us to
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Speaker 3: remember the principles of your word that Charlie worked every
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Speaker 3: day to advance. That we do not return evil for evil,
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Speaker 3: but we over to not come evil with good. And
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Speaker 3: we pray that you bless our friend and brother's legacy,
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Speaker 3: that it goes on roars on throughout the nation. That
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Speaker 3: you pray and encourage and inspire Erica, the children, the
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Speaker 3: Kirk family, the Turning Point staff, and all the volunteers
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Speaker 3: and supporters, and every student around the nation who is
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Speaker 3: who is already connected to this organization in the eighteen
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Speaker 3: thousand plus.
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Speaker 4: Quiries that they received this week for new chapters.
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Speaker 3: Heavenly Father, we pray that you bless that in such
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Speaker 3: a supernatural, exponential way that no one can explain it,
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Speaker 3: but that your spirit has been involved. We pray and
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Speaker 3: believe all this. We commit our great nation to you
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Speaker 3: in Jesus' name.
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Speaker 1: Amen, you're the speaker of the house. There Mike Johnson
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Speaker 1: telling that incredible story of Charlie Kirk, his life and
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Speaker 1: his legacy. We are also hearing from the Pentagon there
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Speaker 1: will be, as they are describing it, a zero tolerance
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Speaker 1: policy for the cheering of Charlie Kirk's assassination. Pentagon officials
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Speaker 1: are now actively monitoring an alarming wave of public celebrations
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Speaker 1: over the assassination of Charlie Kirk and weighing action against
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Speaker 1: any military members or to Apartment personnel who are involved.
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Speaker 1: The Defense Secretary p Deadseth, along with multiple other military
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Speaker 1: and department leaders, said the department is quote tracking celebrations
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Speaker 1: of Kirk's death among personnel and promised the issue will
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Speaker 1: be addressed immediately. In the wake of the assassination, there
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Speaker 1: is a lot of left leaning users on x blue
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Speaker 5: I'm never going to change my party, but clearly we've
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Speaker 5: lost the argument. And now right now I think it's
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Speaker 5: entirely appropriate to really be honest and just figure out
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Speaker 5: why exactly have we effectively lost two out of less
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Speaker 5: in ways. And I think we can't just be well,
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Speaker 5: of course. But you know, when I represent a state
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Speaker 5: Autocrat, yeah, no, that's the thing. I if you actually
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Speaker 5: kinds of figures in history, and this is not an autocrat.
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Speaker 5: This is a product of a democratic election.
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Speaker 1: So you don't think that Trump is at all shattering
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Speaker 5: In any way. I'm saying he's definitely different, but that's
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Speaker 1: Things I hear from Democrats a lot saying a reason
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Speaker 2: Democrats would be fighting harder.
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Speaker 5: What do you say to folks, exactly what exactly is fighting?
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Speaker 5: What is fighting? You know, delay more votes or just
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Speaker 5: give you an example. It could be shutting the government down, like.
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Speaker 2: Some Democrats say, if this happens, it will be Trump's faults.
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Speaker 5: That's not fighting. That's mutilating our nation. If you vote
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Speaker 5: millions of Americans. And why would you do this? Where's
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Speaker 5: our leverage? It was wrong. It was wrong for the
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Speaker 5: Republicans to do that. Absolutely that's true. It is wrong
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Speaker 5: for the Republicans to do that. It would just be
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Speaker 5: wrong for us for those things.
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Speaker 1: Bigger picture, as your party shifted or have you shifted ideologically.
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Speaker 5: My party is acting in a way they have for gotten.
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Speaker 5: They have forgotten one of the reasons why we lost
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Speaker 5: in twenty twenty four. Some of the most extreme things
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Speaker 5: were weaponized against that and now some people think, now
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Speaker 5: we have to double down on those things, or we
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Speaker 5: must become more progressive or more extreme. That's absolutely just
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Speaker 5: not that's absolutely not true. The seven or eight states
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Speaker 5: that are going to determine who's going to be our
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Speaker 5: next the next president, you know, we have to win
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Speaker 5: in those states, and I understand what that takes. And
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Speaker 5: a lot of these ideas that are now putting back
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Speaker 5: and being reinduced are not going to carry, you know, Pennsylvania.
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Speaker 1: You listen to Fetterman and it seems like he's saying
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