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Congress Grills Jack Smith Over Subpoenas, Power, and the Legal Process · The Ben Ferguson Podcast

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  Speaker 2: You're listening to the forty seven Morning Update with Ben ferguson.
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  Speaker 3: Good Friday morning.
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  Speaker 4: Nice to have you with us on the forty seven
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  Speaker 4: Morning Update, and we are going in depth this morning
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  Speaker 4: with Jack Smith being forced to testify before Congress, being
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  Speaker 4: exposed for what a political hack he is and how
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  Speaker 4: he abused his power to try to take out Donald
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  Speaker 4: Trump at all costs the direction of the Biden administration.
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  Speaker 4: They did it for one simple reason. They wanted to
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  Speaker 4: make sure Donald Trump would never make it back to
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  Speaker 4: the White House. It's the forty seven Morning Update and
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  Speaker 4: it starts right now.
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  Speaker 2: Story number one.
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  Speaker 4: During the first public testimony before the House Judiciary Committee, Republicans,
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  Speaker 4: especially the committee chair, Representative Jim Jordan repeatedly accused Jack
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  Speaker 4: Smith of trying to get former President Trump and pursuing
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  Speaker 4: prosecutions for political reasons rather than legal ones. In questioning
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  Speaker 4: from some GOP members like Representative Ben kleinb Smith refused
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  Speaker 4: to confirm whether Trump could be prosecuted, again, prompting accusations
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  Speaker 4: that is legal reasoning is unclear and even inconsistent. And
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  Speaker 4: then there were the controversial subpoenas from lawmakers phone records,
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  Speaker 4: which shocked many around the country. One of the major
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  Speaker 4: flashpoints is that Smith's Arctic Frost investigation led to secret
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  Speaker 4: subpoenas for Republican lawmaker phone records, including that of Representative
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  Speaker 4: Chip Roy, a Republican from Texas, who erupted during the
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  Speaker 4: hearing questioning whether his records were unfairly targeted. GOP members
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  Speaker 4: called this an abuse of power and obviously constitutional overreach
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  Speaker 4: at its highest level. Former President Trump also launching attacks
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  Speaker 4: on Smith. While Smith testified, Trump branded him as a
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  Speaker 4: deranged animal, accusing him of perjury, and called for actions
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  Speaker 4: against Smith, claims widely denounced by, of course, the left
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  Speaker 4: and the media. As you know, politically motivated attacks without evidence.
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  Speaker 3: Isn't it funny? They'll say that about.
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  Speaker 4: Trump, but not about the actual evidence that Smith was
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  Speaker 4: clearly doing that exact thing to Republicans in Congress for
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  Speaker 4: no reason, even getting the phone records of the Speaker
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  Speaker 4: of the House. Republicans painting Smith's motives and his decisions,
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  Speaker 4: including seeking gag orders and aggressive investigative tactics as more
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  Speaker 4: evidence of prosecutor overreach in partisanship rather than impartial law enforcement.
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  Speaker 4: Which brings me to the first piece of audio that
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  Speaker 4: I want you to hear. This is Jim Jordan questioning
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  Speaker 4: Jack Smith publicly for the world to see, and I
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  Speaker 4: want you to listen to him hammered down on the
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  Speaker 4: facts of the abuse of power by Jack Smith and
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  Speaker 4: the Department of Justice when he was a special prosecutor
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  Speaker 4: going after Trump for one simple reason to stop him
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  Speaker 4: from ever getting back in the White House.
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  Speaker 5: JOm yields back, Mister Smith. Is Cassidy Hutchinson a liar.
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  Speaker 5: She was their star witness January sixth Committee, their star
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  Speaker 5: witness in one of those staged and choreographed hearings they
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  Speaker 5: paid the former president of ABC News to put together.
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  Speaker 5: She was fact the only witness at this special prime
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  Speaker 5: time hearing Tuesday, June twenty eighth, twenty twenty two, eight
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  Speaker 5: o'clock in the evening, and she told some stories. I mean,
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  Speaker 5: these were these were some stories she talked about President
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  Speaker 5: lunched across the backseat, grabbed the steering wheel, tried to
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  Speaker 5: drive the car to the Capitol. And I just want
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  Speaker 5: to know you think she was lying.
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  Speaker 6: Jeremy Jordan, My assessment of that particular issue is that,
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  Speaker 6: with respect to the testimony about someone lunge of the
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  Speaker 6: President lunging towards the driver, my recollection of her testimony
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  Speaker 6: about that is that it was secondhand. She said she'd
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  Speaker 6: heard that from somebody.
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  Speaker 5: You familiar with the name Tony Ornado. I'm sorry, you
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  Speaker 5: familiar with the name Tony Ornado? Yes, White House Deputy
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  Speaker 5: Chief of Operations, Deputy chief of staff for Operations.
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  Speaker 7: Right. You remember what he.
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  Speaker 5: Said about it, as I said here right now, I
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  Speaker 5: do not. Yeah, he said it didn't happen. How about
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  Speaker 5: Bobby Ingle, You familiar with that name? Yes, I am
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  Speaker 5: Secret Service agent who was actually in the car that day.
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  Speaker 7: You know what he said?
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  Speaker 5: He said, it didn't happen. And they both said the
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  Speaker 5: first time ever heard this story was when Miss Hutchinson
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  Speaker 5: testified in the prime time hearing as their star witness
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  Speaker 5: of the January sixth committee. By the way, do you
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  Speaker 5: ever confirm her testimony about this particular incident?
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  Speaker 6: We conducted, as I said before, our own independent investigation
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  Speaker 6: of all aspects of the case that we thought was relevant.
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  Speaker 6: We attorneys from my office.
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  Speaker 7: Did you ever confirm it? That's a simple question.
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  Speaker 6: We interviewed her, I should say, attorneys in my office.
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  Speaker 5: But did you ever confirm the president leaping across the seat,
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  Speaker 5: grabbing the steering wheel, this whole concoction she brought up
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  Speaker 5: in the January sixth hearing, Do you ever confirm that.
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  Speaker 6: We interviewed another firsthand witness who was in the car
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  Speaker 6: who did not confirm that that happened.
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  Speaker 5: But also your deposition to the committee last month, mister Smith,
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  Speaker 5: you said this my recollection with miss Hutchinson was a
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  Speaker 5: number of the things that she gave evidence on were
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  Speaker 5: secondhand hearsay, your remembers making that statement to us last
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  Speaker 5: month in the deposition.
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  Speaker 6: I did, and I was referring particularly to what we're
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  Speaker 6: talking about now.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, And you also said miss Hutchinson regarding this particular
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  Speaker 5: claim was a second or even third hand witness we
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  Speaker 5: ask you, if you were a defense attorney, how would
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  Speaker 5: you handle cross examining her if she was on the
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  Speaker 5: witness stand? And you said, if I were a defense attorney,
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  Speaker 5: Miss Hutchinson were a witness, the first thing I would
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  Speaker 5: do was seek to preclude her testimony because it was here,
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  Speaker 5: say you remember saying all that?
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  Speaker 8: Yes, that's correct, So that's correct? Right?
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  Speaker 5: Were you going to put her on the witness stand
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  Speaker 5: if you ever got to trial.
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  Speaker 6: We had not made final determinations as to who we
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  Speaker 6: were going to call as a witness. We had a
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  Speaker 6: large were still considering her. We had a large choice
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  Speaker 6: of witnesses in this Are.
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  Speaker 5: You familiar what Washington Post reporters Carol Lennig and Aaron
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  Speaker 5: Davis said in their book? They did his book three
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  Speaker 5: hundred on pages book on chronicle and the whole investigation
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  Speaker 5: of the Justice Department, And here's what they said. On
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  Speaker 5: page three ten, they said Jack Smith had wondered whether
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  Speaker 5: some of Hutchinson's claims might be relied upon a trial. Still,
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  Speaker 5: at one point, Smith told the elections team he wasn't
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  Speaker 5: ready to give up on Hutchinson's account. Ultimately, however, Trump
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  Speaker 5: administration officials uniformly fiercely disputed her accounts under oath. Prosecutors
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  Speaker 5: on team told Smith they wouldn't want to use Hutchinson
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  Speaker 5: as a witness in court, and Smith agreed. Are Caro
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  Speaker 5: Lennig and Aaron Davis who wrote this, are they lying?
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  Speaker 6: My recollection is that I certainly had not made any
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  Speaker 6: final determinations about.
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  Speaker 8: In who we were going to call.
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  Speaker 7: That's the point.
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  Speaker 5: That is the point, the fact that they used her
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  Speaker 5: in a primetime hearing, and you won't rule out using her,
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  Speaker 5: didn't rule out using her. Putting on the witness stand
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  Speaker 5: when everybody knows she wasn't telling the truth.
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  Speaker 7: That says it all.
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  Speaker 5: That's the degree the left and Democrats were willing to
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  Speaker 5: go to get President Trump putting on the witness stand
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  Speaker 5: someone everybody knows is making it up.
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  Speaker 7: Everybody knows that, and you were willing to do.
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  Speaker 5: By the way, you know how many times Cassiy Hutchinson
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  Speaker 5: was mentioned in their report, the January sixth report, Any idea,
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  Speaker 5: mister Smith, I do not one hundred and eighty five
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  Speaker 5: times someone that the whole country knows wasn't telling the truth,
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  Speaker 5: and you were still considering putting her on the witness
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  Speaker 5: stand because you had to get President Trump. And everybody
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  Speaker 5: can see that.
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  Speaker 4: Now Jim Jordan won, the only one going after Jack Smith.
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  Speaker 4: Representative Chip Roy, who I mentioned earlier, had this to say,
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  Speaker 4: do you.
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  Speaker 3: Know who Cleida Mitchell is?
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  Speaker 1: Yes?
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  Speaker 8: I do.
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  Speaker 9: She's an election lawyer that was involved in filing an
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  Speaker 9: election contest on behalf of President Trump and Georgia in
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  Speaker 9: December of twenty twenty a sixty four page complaint with
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  Speaker 9: over eleven hundred pages of exhibits, witness Avia David's and
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  Speaker 9: expert witness reports documenting thousands of votes cast in violation
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  Speaker 9: of Georgia law, but which were nevertheless included in the
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  Speaker 9: vote totals. Now, notwithstanding the disposition of the cases that
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  Speaker 9: was filed, is that a criminal act? Filing an election
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  Speaker 9: contest on behalf of a candidate for office a client?
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  Speaker 9: Is that a criminal act?
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  Speaker 6: Yes?
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  Speaker 3: Or no?
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  Speaker 7: No?
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  Speaker 8: In fact we see So.
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  Speaker 9: Why did you deem it appropriate to monitor Cleida Mitchell's
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  Speaker 9: long distance phone records in twenty twenty three, two and
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  Speaker 9: a half years after the election context was filed and
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  Speaker 9: after the presidential electors were certified? What about Jen Ellis?
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  Speaker 9: What about Sidney Powell? What about Bill Sepien. What crime
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  Speaker 9: did you suspect had been committed by them that would
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  Speaker 9: warrant monitoring their phone records two and a half years
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  Speaker 9: after twenty twenty election was certified.
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  Speaker 6: With respect to Sidney Powell, she is one of the
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  Speaker 6: co conspirators alleged in the indictment.
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  Speaker 8: I don't know what you mean by monitoring, sir.
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  Speaker 9: If you're talking, Oh, there were some four hundred plus
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  Speaker 9: Republican conservative groups and leaders who were targeted by your investigation.
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  Speaker 9: Their financial records were obtained, records of the RNC, the
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  Speaker 9: Trump campaign, Cleta Mitchell, the Conservative Partnership Institute, the American
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  Speaker 9: First League Policy Institute NRCC, RSC packs conservative groups, people
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  Speaker 9: all across the country. Citizens because we hear a lot
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  Speaker 9: about members of Congress, and we should because the separation
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  Speaker 9: of powers and the egregious abuse of power. But what
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  Speaker 9: we're not talking about enough, in my opinion, are the
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  Speaker 9: American citizens that have been targeted, because, frankly, are there
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  Speaker 9: any limits to the power of a special prosecutor, a
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  Speaker 9: special council.
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  Speaker 4: Now, chip Roy wasn't the only one that wanted his
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  Speaker 4: pound of flesh, especially from an abusive psychotic as I
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  Speaker 4: would describe it man who said he was really a
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  Speaker 4: special prosecutor that abused his power to try to overthrow
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  Speaker 4: the will of the people and try to put Donald
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  Speaker 4: Trump in jail and make sure he was never president again.
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  Speaker 4: Brandan Gill had this to say when he had a
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  Speaker 4: chance to talk directly to this man that destroyed what
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  Speaker 4: was supposed to be law and order in this country.
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  Speaker 10: Mister Smith, in January of twenty twenty three, did you
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  Speaker 10: subpoena then Speaker of the House of Kevin McCarthy's toll records?
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  Speaker 8: Yes, sir, we did.
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  Speaker 7: Yes, he did.
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  Speaker 10: And the subpoena covered the time period between November twenty
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  Speaker 10: twenty and January twenty twenty one.
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  Speaker 7: Is that right?
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  Speaker 8: I'm sorry, sir. Could you say that again.
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  Speaker 7: We're not going to delay like this.
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  Speaker 10: The subpoena covered the time period between November of twenty
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  Speaker 10: twenty and January twenty twenty one. How many days after
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  Speaker 10: Kevin McCarthy was sworn in his speaker did useepoena his records?
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  Speaker 8: I don't recall, but those two things had nothing.
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  Speaker 10: It was sixteen days after becoming the highest ranking Republican
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  Speaker 10: in the House of Representatives, usubpoenaed his toll records. Do
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  Speaker 10: you agree that that might reasonably be considered a violation
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  Speaker 10: of the speech debate clause?
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  Speaker 8: I do not, And I want to be clear that
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  Speaker 8: the till you.
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  Speaker 10: Were collecting month's worth of phone data on the Republican
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  Speaker 10: Speaker of the House, the leader of the opposition, right
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  Speaker 10: after he got sworn in as speaker, all around the
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  Speaker 10: time of a major vote. That sounds like a flagrant
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  Speaker 10: violation of the speecher debate clause to me, and I
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  Speaker 10: think most people agree with me. And Speaker McCarthy had
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  Speaker 10: no recourse, did he, because you issued a non disclosure
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  Speaker 10: order ensuring that neither he nor any of the American
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  Speaker 10: people knew about the subpoenas.
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  Speaker 7: Is that right?
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  Speaker 6: The toll record, the non content toll record subpoena is
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  Speaker 6: we did secure non disclosure orders for those subpoenas you did.
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  Speaker 10: And let me ask you, mister Smith, at the time
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  Speaker 10: you secured those non disclosure orders.
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  Speaker 7: Was Speaker McCarthy a flight risk?
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  Speaker 6: The non disclosure order was based on concerns about it.
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  Speaker 7: Was Speaker McCarthy a flight risks?
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  Speaker 8: He was not?
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  Speaker 7: He was not.
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  Speaker 10: Then why did your non disclosure order refer to him
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  Speaker 10: as a flight risk. It says right here, the court
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  Speaker 10: finds reasonable grounds to believe that such disclosed will result
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  Speaker 10: in flight from prosecution, Sir.
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  Speaker 6: When securing a non disclosure order, the risks don't have
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  Speaker 6: to be associated.
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  Speaker 7: I think that the Speaker of the House is a risk?
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  Speaker 7: This question?
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  Speaker 10: No, this is not your time, this is my time.
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  Speaker 10: You think you think the Speaker of the House is
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  Speaker 10: a flight risk? You think he's going to hop on
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  Speaker 10: a plane and leave the country.
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  Speaker 6: No, No, What I was trying to explain is, with
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  Speaker 6: respect to a non disclosure order, the risks aren't necessarily
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  Speaker 6: associated with the subscriber to the phone's the risks to investigation.
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  Speaker 10: I think that you were using this is clearly in
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  Speaker 10: reference to Speaker McCarthy, and you were using clearly false
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  Speaker 10: information to secure a non disclosure order to hide from
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  Speaker 10: Speaker McCarthy and from the American people the fact that
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  Speaker 10: you were spying on his toll records. But I've got
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  Speaker 10: more more, so let's move on. In May of twenty
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  Speaker 10: twenty three, you also issued subpoenis for toll records of
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  Speaker 10: nine US senators in an additional representative.
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  Speaker 7: Is that right.
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  Speaker 8: Of twenty three. We did issues you.
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  Speaker 10: Did, and there were non disclosure orders in conjunction with
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  Speaker 10: those subpoenas as well.
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  Speaker 6: Right, that's correct, consistent with Department policy, right law.
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  Speaker 7: So again, nobody would know what you were doing.
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  Speaker 10: The Senators would and the representatives would, and the American
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  Speaker 10: people wouldn't know what you were doing.
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  Speaker 7: Is that right?
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  Speaker 6: The toll records that we secured in the non disclosure
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  Speaker 6: orders were consistent with policy.
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  Speaker 10: And case, and you knew whenever you were doing that
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  Speaker 10: that there was a risk you were violating the speechure
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  Speaker 10: debate clause.
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  Speaker 7: Is that right?
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  Speaker 6: The toll record subpoenas that we secured were with the
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  Speaker 6: concurrence of the public contech.
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  Speaker 10: Your own analysis says that you knew there was a
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  Speaker 10: risk you were violating the speech or debate clause.
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  Speaker 7: I have it right here.
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  Speaker 10: This is an email from John Keller at Public Integrity
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  Speaker 10: Section to your team.
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  Speaker 7: As you are aware.
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  Speaker 10: Quote, as you are aware, there is some litigation risk
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  Speaker 10: regarding whether compelled disclosure of toll records of a member's
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  Speaker 10: legislative calls violates the speech or debate clause in the
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  Speaker 10: DC circuit.
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  Speaker 7: That's from your own analysis right there. So you did know,
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  Speaker 7: didn't you.
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  Speaker 6: So with respect to the item you just put up
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  Speaker 6: on the screen, the sentence states.
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  Speaker 7: Uh, oh, we're going to get to the last sentence. Okay,
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  Speaker 7: we're going to get to the last sentence, and you
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  Speaker 7: cite case Lawn here. Quote the bar on compelled disclosure
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  Speaker 7: is absolute? Is right? Is that right? Or do you
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  Speaker 7: think that you didn't have to abide by that precedent?
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  Speaker 6: To be clear, this is not this statement is not
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  Speaker 6: from my office. This is the statement.
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  Speaker 10: This is This is your justification for those subpoenas and
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  Speaker 10: indos that you ordered.
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  Speaker 7: This was part of your analysis. It's a cursory analysis.
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  Speaker 7: I think it's worth noting. But let's get to that
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  Speaker 7: last sentence then. Quote.
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  Speaker 10: Given my understanding of the low likelihood that any of
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  Speaker 10: the members listed below would be charged, the litigation risk
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  Speaker 10: should be minimal here. In other words, you're using a
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  Speaker 10: novel legal theory which you knew was novel, has never
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  Speaker 10: been tested by any court. You're not charging any of
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  Speaker 10: these members. Nobody is going to know about it because
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  Speaker 10: you issued indos. Nobody is going to sue about it.
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  Speaker 10: So sue this, So who cares? We're going to do it? Anyways?
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  Speaker 10: You walked all over the Constitution throughout this entire process.
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  Speaker 10: Some of the gentleman's time sigh, Members of Congress, and
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  Speaker 10: you know it, it's absolutely disgraceful.
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  Speaker 4: Let's just go back for a second to the Kevin
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  Speaker 4: McCarthy aspect of this. Kevin McCarthy put out a post
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  Speaker 4: and this is what he said, after watching Brandon Gill
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  Speaker 4: go after Jack Smith. Quote, a Speaker of the House,
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  Speaker 4: I had a twenty four to seven security detail, and
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  Speaker 4: my location was known to the government at all times.
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  Speaker 4: Flight risk question mark another of Jack Smith's many lies. Now,
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  Speaker 4: Kevin McCarthy's absolutely right. When you're the Speaker of the House,
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  Speaker 4: the government knows where you are twenty four to seven,
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  Speaker 4: not just in America, literally anywhere you go in the world,
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  Speaker 4: they know where you are.
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  Speaker 3: Your third in line to the presidency.
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  Speaker 4: So the idea that Kevin McCarthy, the Speaker of the
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  Speaker 4: House at the time, was a flight risk and therefore
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  Speaker 4: Jack Smith had to do this secretly because if you
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  Speaker 4: knew about it, somehow he was just going to leave
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  Speaker 4: the country is another example of the total insanity from
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  Speaker 4: Jack Smith. Now it's not insanity like he's crazy, it's
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  Speaker 4: the insanity that he had to justify doing something he
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  Speaker 4: knew he shouldn't be doing, and he needed a crazy
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  Speaker 4: reason to do it. In almost every case a third
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  Speaker 4: by the way, the US Senate, their phone records were asked.
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  Speaker 4: They're basically being surveyed, spied on from the government for
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  Speaker 4: which they serve. And they went to Verizon and they
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  Speaker 4: got those records from many members of the Senate, thank goodness,
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  Speaker 4: at and T When they were asked for the phone
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  Speaker 4: records of Sinner Ted Cruz, they said no because they
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  Speaker 4: understood that this was like absolute abuse of power and
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  Speaker 4: they weren't going to be a part of it. But
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  Speaker 4: Verizon was more than happy to just hand over the
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  Speaker 4: records of all of these members of Congress.
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  Speaker 3: This is just how bad it was. Now.
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  Speaker 4: This is also, I want to be clear what happens
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  Speaker 4: in like communists and socialist country. They are willing and
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  Speaker 4: jack Smith is willing to lie to your face over
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  Speaker 4: this had no problem.
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  Speaker 3: Kevin McCarthy. I'll give you another example.
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  Speaker 4: And this was even before Jacksmith testifies before the House
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  Speaker 4: Judiciary Committee. Someone posted quote, don't forget what he did.
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  Speaker 4: He forced cell phone cominges to hand over the phone
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  Speaker 4: records of sitting members of Congress. That kind of abuse
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  Speaker 4: demand's consequences. Accountability for Joe Biden and Jack Smith is overdue,
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  Speaker 4: and it begins with Jack Smith answering every single question
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  Speaker 4: put to him by the House. Now, AT and T,
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  Speaker 4: not only do they turn over Speaker McCarthy's records to
• 17:38
  Speaker 4: Jack Smith after it told the public that it didn't,
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: AT and T straight up lied to the public. They
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  Speaker 4: did give then House Speaker McCarthy's personal cell phone records
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  Speaker 4: amid the January sixth investigation. AT and T lied publicly,
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: so they did not turn over the records, but upon review,
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: they did comply with Smith January twenty twenty three subpoena. Now,
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  Speaker 4: why would AT and T lie about this? Because they
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  Speaker 4: knew exactly what they did was straight up illegal, They
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  Speaker 4: knew they were a part of it, and apparently they
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  Speaker 4: didn't like Donald Trump, so they said, we'll go along
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  Speaker 4: with it. I assure you, they wouldn't have given these
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  Speaker 4: phone records for a Democrat sitting president. They wouldn't have
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  Speaker 4: done to Joe Biden, and they certainly wouldn't have done
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  Speaker 4: it to Barack Obama. But because it was Donald Trump,
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  Speaker 4: they said, fine, do it. We have no problem with it,
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  Speaker 4: and this is exactly why we need accountability. Congressional hearings
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  Speaker 4: with him are important. It's a masterclass and transparenty. The
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  Speaker 4: short answer is also easy. Many Democrats say, move on
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  Speaker 4: from it and act like it never happened.
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  Speaker 3: Thank goodness, Republicans, they're not going to do that.
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