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NH Trail Running Duo: Clark Plummer & Allie Leveille · Run Mountain Peaks

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  OK guys, today we sat down with Clark Plummer and Allie Laville,
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  the dynamic duo. Clark's been ripping it up in
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  the White Mountains for a long time.
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  Allie is a converted Roadrunner doing trails and ultras now,
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  tearing up the scene. They both had FKTS.
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  We talked about race finishes that we've talked about some big
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  things coming up. These guys are in the know.
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  It was a fun talk and you guys are going to see a lot more of
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  them in the future. Here is the episode.
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  All right, Clark plumber Allie Laville, the dynamic duo just
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  coming off of White Lakes. So Allie did 36 miles in the six
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  hour 2nd place overall. Clark goes 40 miles on a bum
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  knee. How are you guys feeling?
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  How's the recovery going? I feel good.
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  Yeah. Yeah, I'm back to speed work as
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  of today. Nice.
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  Yeah, that's a quick bounce back.
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  Yeah, well, I took it pretty easy during the week, but yeah,
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  hit the sauna. But massage nice.
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  Yeah, I feel good. Sweet, that's that's a good
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  sign. Yeah, yeah.
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  Clark's on the bike. He's bike biking for a little
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  bit. You just got a new bike.
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  Big bike guy. Yeah, a little upgrade to make
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  it more enjoyable, but yeah, I think we're six days without
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  running, which is pretty long for me.
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  Tough, but you're but you're hype on the bike.
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  You texted us this morning a picture of your feet.
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  It's it was 40° raw, rainy. You texted us a picture of Shaws
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  or plastic bags and duct tape over your feet.
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  You're like, I hope my feet are warm today.
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  Yeah, it it worked for a little and then it didn't work.
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  We're back to the drawing board on that one.
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  Yeah, Yeah. Well, this is what I want to
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  kind of start out with. Your enthusiasm is off the
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  charts. I mean, I think Ally too.
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  I don't I haven't seen her on the trip as much, but your
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  energy. So I want to get the whole
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  background story, but anytime I see you on the trail, you're
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  just like so pumped, so stoked. Early morning ripping around.
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  How did you get into trail running?
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  So I played lacrosse my entire life and then into college and
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  then after lacrosse was over, I kind of needed something to fill
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  my time. So I decided to start hiking.
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  So I did the 48 and then I met Michael Connolly and we started
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  doing bigger hikes, longer hikes.
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  And then I forget what day it was, but I remember I was on
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  Jackson and I saw somebody running down the mountain and
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  then it kind of just clicked. So then I was like, wait, that's
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  allowed. So we or I got into running and
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  then me and Mike kind of just made it a thing and we got into
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  it a trail running at least. Started ripping around.
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  We're going to talk about all your peak bagging.
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  One thing I actually know about you, Clark, that I don't know if
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  I've told this to you. Maybe I have once, but somebody
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  gave me a little secret that in college.
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  Where'd you play lacrosse? Riviere.
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  Riviere, they were like, dude, he was so good, real goalie.
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  He was like we we should have had a better team around him,
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  but he was like an elite goalie. That was Dalton pocket you.
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  Know. Yeah, I know, Dalton.
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  He said he played with you guys, right?
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  Yeah, he did, yeah. We met at some backyard ultra
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  and he was just going off about, that's so funny about you just
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  being a good athlete. So it makes sense that you're
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  good in the mountains. So you come from an athletic
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  background, Ally, are you? You're now in the trail scene.
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  Did you? Obviously, Clark probably pulled
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  you this way, but you were originally a Roadrunner.
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  Is that true? Yeah, yeah.
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  I was a Roadrunner for maybe 8 years before I met Clark and
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  then he was like, we need to get you on the trail.
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  You gotta try this. You gotta try.
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  Yeah, yeah. So he slowly sucked me in.
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  So now I've been on trails, what, 2 years?
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  Yeah. I think so.
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  Dang, OK, so two year and coming in making waves we're going to
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  have to go through. I was looking at your FKT list
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  and I'm like holy smoke, she's just going out firing.
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  You guys have two multi FKTS this year so far?
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  Yeah. Is that like bucket list?
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  You guys starting to look at things together?
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  That's more of Ali. She's a big spreadsheet girl.
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  Spreadsheet. OK.
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  Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I don't know.
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  We have a couple actually that we want to do as a team that
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  we've been looking at since last year, so we want to do one.
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  Are we going to tell them about this?
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  Is this 1A secret? Oh boy, we we.
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  Can cut anything we don't need to.
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  Get in the secret so this. Is maybe we don't.
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  Plan secrets at the end of our podcast So.
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  Like. It's there.
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  I'll say we're going to do, there's a 50 mile effort that
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  we're going to do probably in August that's going to be team.
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  I don't know if we're going supported or self supported yet,
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  OK. It'll test the relationship.
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  Yeah, well. It's a long time together, yeah,
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  especially if it's unsupported. I know we started supported now
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  we're unsupported. That's funny.
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  Well, I was going to I was going to ask about this.
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  Obviously you guys are both like training for lots of races
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  efforts like both athletes, ultra marathoners.
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  How is it like balancing the schedules?
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  Do you do you guys schedules line up?
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  Do you guys have I need a rest week.
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  I need to run a lunch a lot this week.
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  Like how does the the schedules line up for two athletes in the
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  same household? Well, Clark doesn't take down
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  weeks, so he's always same volume I'm.
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  Working on it. So it's really just I look at
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  what my schedule is and I'm like, I'm doing this this
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  weekend. And Clark usually is either
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  running with the boys or he's like, OK, yeah, yeah, we can do
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  something, yeah. Yeah, link up for a lot of stuff
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  or some stuff that fits. But we both, usually we run in
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  the morning and then go straight to work, come back and I mean,
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  we basically just make dinner together and then repeat.
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  So our schedule's pretty aligned.
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  Eat sleep train, yeah. Eat.
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  Sleep, train, Yeah. Nice and tend to our dogs like
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  clockwork. Yeah.
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  OK. So kind of going back to the
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  background, so you start like most, you're a grid finisher.
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  Shout out, what number are you? Oh man, 100 and something.
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  I think 100 something. OK, he's just like another grid.
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  I was on gridlock because of COVID so I had kind of had to
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  wait it out. Got you, but after COVID I got
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  it done. Yeah.
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  So you, you just get the 4000 footers, the the I love hike and
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  then you're like running. I remember actually there was a
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  couple hikes that probably put me down the trail running hike
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  actually one with you that I will talk about.
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  But I just saw a couple of people running out here be like,
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  I think I could do it. And then you just slowly go
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  faster. The one time I saw you, I think
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  the first time I'd met you, was that you were doing a Pemi with
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  Mike and you guys were going counterclockwise and I was going
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  clockwise. And we like passed it Galehead
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  or something. And I saw these guys flying on
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  the trails and I was literally in shock.
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  I was like, these guys are incredited.
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  They're just flying over these rocks.
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  I was getting into it and then I talked to you guys at the end,
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  so it was funny. But then you just start doing
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  1,000,000 feet of vert a year. So you really went hardcore into
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  this trail running. So was it a slow burn or were
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  you just like, oh, this is awesome, I don't.
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  Know, I kind of got the bug and I just kind of made it like part
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  of my day and like everyone around here, they love to chase
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  vert. So vert stacks.
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  Yeah, yeah, I kind of got hooked on that wagon.
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  I kind of let that go a little bit more because it is a lot of
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  time. And then I'm trying to, you
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  know, balance that vert to like running because I think there's
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  a big difference between like fitness and like you can't
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  always get it from just stacking vert.
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  It definitely helps, but I think you got to find that fine line
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  between it all. Yeah, I think that's we're all
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  trying to do that and like realizing like we have to be
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  kind of fast, but we also have to stack a lot of vert.
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  Have you been doing any workouts with Ally?
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  Because I'm sure like road running background, she's got
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  workouts up the wazoo. So Ally got me to do my first
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  track workout. That was fun.
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  I was very sore the next. Day I got burned he.
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  Literally wasn't even doing it right.
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  I was like, all right, we're going to do like an 800 meter
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  Sprint or something. And then he'd Sprint it and then
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  he'd just keep going. And then he's like, OK, what
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  now? And I'm like, well, you're
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  supposed to recover in between sets and he's so hard.
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  Yeah, he he didn't even do it properly, but we'll try again.
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  Working on it, work in progress. And then we did like an
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  intervals on the street. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  That was before our half marathon.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Those also weren't intervals,
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  really. It was just same speed the whole
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  time because I was like, OK, we're supposed to slow down now.
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  I think clerks like, oh, OK, And then we slow down shortly and
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  then it's like back to the same pace that we're supposed to be
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  going. And I'm like, all right, this
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  is. Yeah, workouts are hard.
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  I will say that workouts are hard.
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  I don't even think I do mine right.
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  I I feel like I almost break too much where I just like Sprint as
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  long as I can and I just, I'm like, I'm just going to walk it
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  in for like a minute or two. Like I don't do any floats or
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  whatever, like real floats. So I I feel you, Clark.
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  It's hard. What that means, yeah.
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  Or or like like like rest periods where you're.
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  Trying to still like move. Forward.
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  I get it. Yeah.
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  Yeah. So how many years did you do?
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  A million feet avert. I did three years straight.
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  Three straight years. Yeah.
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  Insane. I, I, I'm always curious about
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  your schedule when you're doing that, because when I go to the
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  White Mountains, I do 4 hours in the mountains.
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  Like I'm just like destroyed, like body shaking, you know, at
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  night, like vibrating, you know, same thing in the morning, but
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  you did that like two days a weekend gritting.
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  And then you just go to white dot and do like thousands of
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  feet avert. Lots of repeats at the UNK.
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  Did it, were you like, tired when you were stacking millions
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  of feet, avert. Or were you like, did you feel
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  like you're recovering good? Are you just a crazy athlete?
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  Like tell us the secrets. Oh man, I I eat a lot of.
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  Food. Eat a lot.
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  Eat a ton of food and I definitely prioritize sleep.
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  Yeah. I am that guy that is asleep at
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  8:00 every night. Yeah, as boring as that sounds.
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  I go at 8, Yeah. And I wake up early, though, so
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  I guess it makes sense. But yeah, yeah, I do my running
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  in the morning, so then I don't have to dread it all day or
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  worry about like my energy or what not.
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  Yeah, yeah, I think people that run after work or run in the
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  afternoon are like superheroes, 'cause I have like 0 I I
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  couldn't. Yeah.
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  So they they're can't, they can't go on the couch after work
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  because once you hit that, it's done.
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  Yeah. Are you were you always an early
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  personality? Are you, are you on the train
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  now or how does that? Work.
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  No. I was always an early person.
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  Yeah, yeah. I mean earlier since I've been
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  with Clark, but I was usually up by 5530.
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  Yeah, OK, so we got an early household stacking miles.
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  Oh yeah. Were you Ally when you're doing
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  Rd. stuff? Tell me about your background.
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  Did you just like dabble in it for a little bit?
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  Were you focused in on races, marathons?
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  What was? I know you've done a ton of
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  marathons, bunch of different. States yeah, no, I started, I
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  started randomly running during college just a couple miles,
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  maybe even that throughout the week and then ran a 5K and I was
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  like oh that was kind of fun. Signed up for 1/2 marathon like
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  the following week did that and I was like OK, maybe I'll sign
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  up for a marathon. Did that a few months later died
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  and then I was like oh maybe I should actually train for this.
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  So then I just started running like probably 4 marathons a year
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  since then, but it was more of I kind of wanted to do one in
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  every state. So yeah, I mean, I guess I was
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  kind of training, but also at the time I didn't have a ton of
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  time because I was getting my PhD, so couldn't train as
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  properly as I wanted to. So that's been more of a recent
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  thing. Nice.
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  Yeah. So you're kind of like dabbling.
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  I mean 4 marathons a year is a lot though.
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  Yeah, yeah. How many states have you done so
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  far? Only 22, OK.
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  Only only that. Oh, and the 22 states.
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  Honestly. What what's your favorite state,
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  Ben? I feel like I get asked this a
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  lot and I still don't really know.
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  I OK so Alaska is definitely top three because a moose walked out
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  in front of me at mile 23. So that was really cool.
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  But then also the Bar Harbor Marathon is gorgeous so I really
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  liked that one. Also, Lincoln NE Lincoln NE, I'm
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  not even kidding you. The crowds.
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  OK, yes. And you finish in the Husker
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  Stadium? Oh, really?
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  OK it. Was wild because honestly, just
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  the crowds and the people and the spectators, I, I've never
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  seen so many. I mean, you would think you're
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  running like New York or Boston, like everybody was out,
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  everybody's going wild. I mean, it was.
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  Incredible. Yeah, that is cool.
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  Was it a flat course? I would assume isn't it just
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  like? Actually, it was pretty hilly,
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  really. Yeah.
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  I thought it was going to be pretty flat, but I was.
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  I was surprised. OK, Nebraska showing a little
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  kick. Yeah.
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  I imagine trying to be a vert stacker in Nebraska.
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  OK. Yeah.
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  I mean, that would be tough. But I will say there are areas
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  of Nebraska that are super hilly because when we were talking, I
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  think I did what was it, 2425 miles for 2025?
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  But I was in Nebraska at the time and I got a ton of vert and
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  I was just doing a loop around my aunt's house.
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  Dang, I don't even remember, but it was certainly like well over.
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  I think it was over 2K. That's.
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  Good. And it's on roads, so I mean,
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  yeah, yeah. Yeah, there is, There is vert
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  everywhere if you look hard enough.
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  True. Yeah, and you know that.
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  Well, Clark, how many times have you lapped the white dot?
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  Do you think 00? Man, I don't know.
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  I would just say 1,000,000. I've always wanted to like keep
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  track of how many times I've summited like N unk and South
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  unk but I always forget or I or I just like lose track.
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  Spreadsheets. Spreadsheets.
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  Yeah, I guess right, I should we could automatically.
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  Just for something. Really.
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  It would be fun for all of us to do that because especially like
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  Connor, 'cause he literally lives there.
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  Yeah. To see how often we're out
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  there. But yeah, yeah.
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  Yeah, I mean, 'cause I remember this was when I was getting into
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  the trail running maybe five years ago, that was the heyday
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  of you Steve Mason laughing White dot.
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  I mean, you'd see a trail runner on White dot every single
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  weekend. Yeah, like for sure now it's a
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  little bit a little bit quieter. It's getting back though it.
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  Is it is. Getting back, yeah, it is
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  getting back. It is getting back that you're
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  guaranteed to see somebody. Yeah, yeah, somebody.
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  But yeah, way back when it was literally like a party over
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  there. Yeah.
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  So like you never had to really run alone.
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  Yeah. Did you, how did you find the
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  Onkanunix? And like when you started
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  stacking vert, was this, was this like a thing?
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  Because I wasn't even the trail running.
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  I don't know, were people always doing?
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  Laps. When stacking vert became a
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  thing. But I do remember I ended up
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  over at the Unks one day because it was raining and I was like, I
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  can't go to the whites. So I was like, oh, I know
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  there's like, I mean these hills, but they're mountains,
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  I'm just going to stick over here.
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  And I only stuck to the South side because fun little tidbit I
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  heard about a person that was on North Unk that literally just
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  went up and down one trail over and over again.
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  I was like, I can't go over there.
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  There's a guy there that goes up and down all day and I was like,
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  I think I was kind of nervous. And then I ended up making my
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  way over there and meeting Steve Mason.
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  He's super, super nice guy. So yeah, originally I was scared
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  to go to North End, but now I love N the north side.
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  So now I visit both ends. But yeah, way back when I was a
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  little nervous to go to the North End because I was
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  intimidated. But now we're good.
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  I mean, now you're like the guy over there, people.
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  People would want to go see you on the unknown, Clark today,
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  Clark, fly by. Never ask Ali how she likes the
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  Yunks. Yeah, what do you think about
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  the yunks? I mean, they're all right.
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  Oh man, no. Come on.
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  Hot tapes dude. Tell us how you feel.
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  I don't know. I mean I feel like they're OK.
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  If I need vert and I can't really go anywhere then I mean I
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  guess it's a good option but. Yeah, she just doesn't like
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  going up the same mountain multiple times.
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  Yeah. Yeah, I really don't.
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  I don't find pleasure and going up and down white dot a million
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  times. Hey, honestly, me neither.
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  Sometime I I go, I'll go white dot like once or twice a run and
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  then like I got to go elsewhere. Change it up a little bit.
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  No, I I respect it. I respect it.
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  Kicked out of run club. No, no, no.
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  There's been. There's been a good shot though.
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  I've been. I know.
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  The wrong club's huge. Unfortunately, I can never make
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  it to the afternoon one I know which is the big 1 and I have
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  like I have the stupid idea of having one in the morning too,
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  which I think the most we had one day was 4, which that's
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  pretty solid for 5:30 in the morning solid.
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  But after, other than that, it's been just two like me and like
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  Sean Skinner, me and man, who was who else wins with me One
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  time I forget. But yeah, it's been pretty quiet
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  in the mornings. Yeah.
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  We're going to ramp it back up though once I'm back.
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  Get it? Yeah.
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  We'll get the morning session going again.
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  Yeah, yeah, No. Love the yunks.
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  Love the yunks. Shout out the yunks.
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  OK, so Ally, you're getting into the trail running, converting
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  slowly but surely. And it seems like you you do a
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  lot of races too. And I feel like Clark's been
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  doing more races recently. Is this so we see 2 worlds
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  converge here for real? I might be pressuring him to do
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  more racing. Yeah, but you like racing?
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  I do, I feel like I have to be training for something because
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  then if I don't have anything on the docket I just.
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  I don't know how to structure my runs.
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  Yeah, it makes sense. I I feel like I'm I need a goal.
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  Yeah, I I always need one. Yeah.
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  If I don't have a goal, it's like, what am I doing?
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  On here exactly exactly so I always have something lined up.
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  Yeah, nice. Clark, how do you like racing
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  This This year's off to a tough start.
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  This this this podcast time is off to a racing.
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  Is tough, yeah, yeah. Like I tell everybody though,
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  like the one thing about racing that I do like is everyone shows
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  up like at their best. And as much as I love just doing
• 18:11
  like your own personal projects, it's kind of you verse you.
• 18:14
  It's like your own ghost. Like if you're ever chasing an
• 18:17
  FKT or just it's like doing a route that like, you know
• 18:20
  someone's done so you have like an idea of like their time.
• 18:24
  It's just like it's really not the same.
• 18:25
  But racing is definitely pretty fun and Ali's pretty much got me
• 18:30
  into it. I almost heard the word hooked I
• 18:33
  think, but my track record is pretty bad.
• 18:40
  That's not. True, not true.
• 18:41
  It's still fun. No, it is cool.
• 18:44
  I do appreciate like I really do like an FKT or project like
• 18:48
  putting like trying to perfect a route or perfect whatever list
• 18:52
  to get it done. But I do like the the kind of
• 18:55
  whatever the day is, the conditions, if you if you're
• 18:58
  trained in go good. If something came up that week,
• 19:00
  it doesn't matter. Everyone's racing the same
• 19:03
  course the same day. Let's see, it's kind of more
• 19:06
  like the sports, like I came from a sports background, like
• 19:09
  let's just show up and and compete, just be competitors,
• 19:12
  which I do like, except if if I have a bad training block going
• 19:16
  to race, then I don't like this much.
• 19:18
  Yeah. And I feel like the competition
• 19:20
  around here is like insane. It's really good.
• 19:23
  Yeah, like you know, who's there, who's there to compete
• 19:27
  and like the levels very high. Yeah.
• 19:29
  So like that's, I think the cool thing about it around here is
• 19:32
  like it's definitely stacked. Yeah.
• 19:34
  So. I think it's humbling and it
• 19:36
  also forces it like there's always going to be someone here
• 19:39
  we go, this is what I'm talking about.
• 19:40
  We just don't freak out. Don't freak out.
• 19:43
  He doesn't have a card in. Yeah, like around here, there's
• 19:47
  always going to be someone that comes out of the woodwork
• 19:49
  somewhere on some race and is faster than you no matter what
• 19:52
  level you're at. But then also it pushes you to
• 19:56
  get better. Yeah.
• 19:57
  Which is. Which I think is huge.
• 19:59
  Yeah. Which I've been trying to kind
• 20:01
  of get out of my comfort box with some different races.
• 20:04
  So we'll see. We'll see.
• 20:06
  But So what races have you done, Clark?
• 20:10
  Piska, which was really fun. That's like a grassroots 1.
• 20:14
  Drummer Hill, That's another like Grass Hill, small town,
• 20:17
  wicked fun. Jagger Johnson 50 Which That was
• 20:21
  pretty gnarly. Gnarly.
• 20:23
  It was almost more up your alley.
• 20:25
  Yeah, definitely more up my alley and Bubba's backyard,
• 20:31
  which that format, like that backyard format, as much as I
• 20:35
  hate it, I love it. It's so challenging.
• 20:39
  Ali cannot stand it. I don't think I'll ever do a
• 20:42
  backyard. Oof, yeah, I don't think I'll.
• 20:45
  Do it for a long time. Twice yeah, you love Bubba's and
• 20:48
  White Lakes. You just keep going back I.
• 20:50
  Know. Flat.
• 20:51
  Torture. I know it's because like I have
• 20:54
  like this glimmer of like false hope that it'll click.
• 20:57
  Yeah, so. I think it's hard on those flat
• 20:59
  courses because it's just the same thing every time.
• 21:02
  And I have a really hard time being patient.
• 21:04
  Yeah. And that's what those are all
• 21:06
  about, is just that slow burn, that slow patient burn.
• 21:10
  Yeah. So it's tough.
• 21:13
  Was it it was your first time at White Lakes this year?
• 21:15
  No, I did the 12 hour last. Year, OK, 12 hour last year, is
• 21:19
  that kind of more up your alley because flat Rd. stuff or you're
• 21:22
  kind of like you don't like the laps?
• 21:24
  I don't. I don't like laps, I don't like
• 21:26
  repeating things. And that's a 2 miles.
• 21:29
  It goes quick. Yeah, I already said that was
• 21:31
  probably going to be my last year at White Lakes.
• 21:34
  I'm done with the the two mile loops.
• 21:36
  Yeah, I feel you. Honestly, I'm like one day I'm
• 21:39
  going to show up there just like try to go forever and Bubba's
• 21:42
  too, but probably not in the near future.
• 21:44
  But I love volunteering at the at the course because you see
• 21:47
  everyone so. You can make it.
• 21:49
  It's nice to see a bunch of people.
• 21:51
  I only saw you guys both briefly.
• 21:54
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 21:55
  Volunteering duties are stressful.
• 21:56
  You guys are hungry on that course.
• 21:58
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. We volunteered at.
• 22:01
  Black bear No bear The bear ultras Black bear ultras.
• 22:04
  Black. Is that the new one?
• 22:05
  Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that was fun.
• 22:08
  That was really fun. Yeah, we liked volunteering
• 22:09
  there. What were you?
• 22:10
  What were your duties? We're at.
• 22:12
  We were at Osceola. Yeah, we were at Osceola, just
• 22:14
  the two of us, 10 food, water. We ran out of water.
• 22:18
  So then we had to start giving everybody the water that we had
• 22:20
  brought for ourselves. Oh no.
• 22:23
  How much water did you bring yourself?
• 22:24
  We brought. A lot of.
• 22:25
  Water. We did bring a lot of water
• 22:26
  because we were going to get our run in after, but we were just
• 22:29
  like, Oh well, now we have no water for our run afterwards.
• 22:32
  But they ended up coming. I think it was like our duties
• 22:35
  were almost over and they came with more water, but so.
• 22:39
  Yeah. Yeah, we were panicking.
• 22:42
  OK, so let's talk about the White Lakes the last weekend.
• 22:46
  So you, how did it go for you, Allie?
• 22:48
  You did 36 killed it. Killed it. 36 miles in or Yeah,
• 22:51
  36 miles in, six hours. Tied Taylor Miller for miles.
• 22:55
  But then did she come a little bit ahead of you?
• 22:57
  Yeah, yeah, she beat me by like 6 or 7 minutes 6.
• 22:59
  Or 7 minutes, so a Sprint finish at a six hour ultra, which is
• 23:02
  very cool. Was that like an A race for you
• 23:05
  this year BC? No, that was more of just like a
• 23:08
  tune up race. Yeah, yeah.
• 23:12
  So that was just kind of Clark wanted.
• 23:15
  He signed up. I wasn't even going to sign up.
• 23:17
  So when he said he was signing up again, I was like, all right,
• 23:20
  I guess I'll do the six hour, 'cause I'm not just going to go
• 23:22
  and sit there. Yeah.
• 23:24
  And yeah. And then Clark, you had a, you
• 23:25
  had a rough day out there, but you went into it banged up.
• 23:28
  I feel like 40 miles with a hurt knee.
• 23:31
  It was. Fun when it lasted, but now I'm
• 23:33
  like kind of kind of paying for it.
• 23:35
  Yeah, Yeah. You think it set you back a
• 23:37
  little bit? Yeah.
• 23:38
  Definitely set me back, yeah. Because I was kind of nursing it
• 23:40
  before, which I kind of got it back, yeah.
• 23:43
  And then, yeah, that was kind of like the little dagger.
• 23:46
  Yeah, 40 straight miles, right back to Yeah, well, hopefully
• 23:50
  the bike gets you healed up. Yeah.
• 23:51
  Have you dealt with knee problems before?
• 23:54
  Not really. Not like this one.
• 23:56
  I've never really been, like, injured.
• 23:59
  Well, that's what I was going to say.
• 24:00
  You you're one of the only people that, since I got into
• 24:03
  this consistent high volume, seems to not get injured.
• 24:08
  I think it's the uphill. Uphill.
• 24:11
  I think it's a lot more uphill running because like, we don't
• 24:15
  necessarily run uphill. Yeah, most of us don't.
• 24:18
  Hike mountain peaks, guys. It's we do a lot of hiking.
• 24:21
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. People don't know.
• 24:24
  People don't know that. It's like trail running is a lot
• 24:25
  of hiking. Depending on who you are, yeah,
• 24:28
  yeah, yeah. A lot of my friends can run on
• 24:30
  mountains, but not me so. Where on the knee is it because
• 24:33
  for me when I when I'm doing too heavy and too hard weighted
• 24:38
  uphill intervals or just like too much uphill time trial
• 24:40
  stuff. The inside of my knees.
• 24:42
  Get a little bit sore and then I just have to back off and go.
• 24:44
  Yeah. So is it inside?
• 24:46
  Inside and the outside right now.
• 24:48
  So it's like a double whammy. Nowhere to lean?
• 24:51
  Yeah, but Allie's nursing me to health.
• 24:53
  So nice. Working on it.
• 24:54
  She's very disciplined. Yeah, I am very disciplined.
• 24:57
  Nice. Huge.
• 24:58
  Well, it seems like you're pretty disciplined.
• 24:59
  I mean, you're up and at them every morning.
• 25:02
  Yeah, that part that part's the easy part.
• 25:04
  Dang. Yeah, yeah.
• 25:05
  I. Think I think the resting part's
• 25:07
  the hard. Part the rest thing.
• 25:08
  Yeah, the. TLC.
• 25:09
  That's the hard part. Yeah, I think it's funny.
• 25:11
  Ryan was telling me a story because, like, we're all like,
• 25:15
  Clark is just like Energizer Bunny all the time on these
• 25:18
  trails. And Ryan was like, dude, there
• 25:21
  was one day this winter we were skinning somewhere.
• 25:24
  And it was like 0 wind chill. You know, freezing, we both kind
• 25:28
  of and it's the middle, you know, it's dark, it's in the
• 25:31
  morning and Clark just comes up to my windows like I'm so
• 25:34
  excited. I'm so pipe to be here and Ryan
• 25:36
  was like, I didn't even want to get out.
• 25:38
  That was where we were at. Oh man.
• 25:41
  Cram. No, not cram.
• 25:42
  Crotch it, Crotch it freezing and my skin's froze.
• 25:46
  So I got I I got. Yeah, Ryan got to get the bonus
• 25:50
  slapping, but yeah, that brutal. I hate the cold.
• 25:53
  Yeah, Ally converted me to the treadmill, though.
• 25:56
  I did. Come inside, it's warm.
• 25:59
  Yeah, right. Yeah, yeah.
• 26:01
  I definitely do a lot of treadmill training in the
• 26:03
  winter. I think my problem is I don't
• 26:04
  cross. I don't have a cross train.
• 26:06
  Like now. You do touring and you just
• 26:09
  indoor treadmill. Do you cross train that much?
• 26:11
  I mean, I have a bike, sometimes I'll ride it like maybe once a
• 26:16
  week, but I strength train a lot too.
• 26:19
  Yeah, that's pretty much it though.
• 26:21
  Yeah, nice. Yeah, I, I, I've dabbled on the
• 26:25
  bike a little bit, but I, I use it sparingly or as sparingly as
• 26:28
  I can. But I, I like a lot of like
• 26:29
  indoor stairmaster, cross training, incline treadmill
• 26:33
  stuff, so that's good. Are you working on any lists?
• 26:37
  Any did you must have a spreadsheet for some sort of
• 26:40
  hiking list. The 48.
• 26:41
  I do well, I, I told Clark I was on a five year plan to do a grid
• 26:46
  and he's like, no, no, don't do it.
• 26:49
  We have to talk about this. Clark is notorious.
• 26:52
  The grid. The grid is not good for you.
• 26:55
  Yeah, yeah, I was, because we were out with, I think we were
• 26:58
  out with Mike and Lexi. And I was like, maybe I'll do a
• 27:01
  grid. And Clark spun around.
• 27:03
  He's like, no. And Lexi was like, I'll send you
• 27:05
  the list like, yeah, I'm doing it.
• 27:09
  Clark's like I've seen this before.
• 27:10
  This is. This does not end well.
• 27:13
  But yeah, I'm not trying to shove it all into, you know, a
• 27:15
  short time frame. It's just when I get to it.
• 27:17
  Yeah, I think that's the best way to do it.
• 27:19
  I have a loose spreadsheet. I'm almost halfway.
• 27:22
  I have no peaks in April and November or a couple, whatever
• 27:27
  it. Ain't no stress.
• 27:28
  Yeah, yeah. I think it's like 5 or maybe,
• 27:30
  yeah, maybe five years. I'll just take off the month of
• 27:32
  April and November, just get all the peaks that we'll close it
• 27:36
  out. But do you like running up in
• 27:39
  the mountains and the whites? Oh, I love it.
• 27:40
  Yeah, it's awesome. Yeah, yeah, he got me hooked on
• 27:43
  that. Yeah, so good.
• 27:45
  I mean, every time I go up there, I'm like, this is
• 27:47
  amazing, but the drive just stinks like where we're coming
• 27:49
  from. I've learned that like
• 27:52
  sustainably, once a weekend I can do the drive, but that's it.
• 27:57
  Yeah, Yeah, it is tough. Don't freak out.
• 28:00
  Do not freak out. Elevator.
• 28:03
  I hope so. No one pops out here.
• 28:06
  No, just joking. We're in a new.
• 28:07
  We're not in the truck bed. Guys, if you realized we had a
• 28:10
  rain delay. Yeah, I want to talk about the
• 28:15
  engagement. Clark goes up.
• 28:18
  On a rock. Oh yeah, a rock.
• 28:20
  Oh my gosh. The winter.
• 28:22
  So what is that you propose on Jackson Pierce, Pierce, Pierce?
• 28:25
  Can't tell, it could be any mountain to be.
• 28:26
  Honest. Yeah, it was a not a great.
• 28:30
  Completely socked in, but it was still perfect, yeah.
• 28:33
  She had no idea. So I didn't.
• 28:35
  I didn't. And I always thought I would
• 28:36
  know when he was going to do it. But yeah, we said it was never
• 28:40
  going to be on a holiday because I thought that was way too
• 28:42
  cliche. Yeah, but he agreed that was the
• 28:44
  only, only way he was going to be able to do it without me
• 28:47
  knowing. Yeah.
• 28:48
  So that's. Right, that was.
• 28:50
  Crafty it was and then you called for cloudy no views,
• 28:54
  which is also you could never expect that.
• 28:56
  Yeah, the original plan was Franconia Ridge, but I was
• 28:59
  talking with Mike and I was like, looking at that forecast
• 29:02
  and I was like, there's no way Franconia Ridge is going to
• 29:04
  work. So we opted for Pierce because
• 29:08
  Pierce is like a safe bet. You can kind of go up there
• 29:10
  whenever. Yeah.
• 29:12
  And I was hoping we just stick to Pierce so then we wouldn't
• 29:14
  have to carry snowshoes. Yeah, but Ali insisted on
• 29:17
  Eisenhower's, and they're right. There, and you couldn't blow the
• 29:19
  cover. Right.
• 29:21
  So yeah, we ended up in a snowshoes.
• 29:23
  Yeah, down on one knee. And you, how'd you get Mike to
• 29:26
  go out there? And he was like hiding.
• 29:28
  Man, Mike will do anything for for me, but for anyone.
• 29:32
  So I told them that we're going to start at this time.
• 29:35
  So he like ran up there way before us.
• 29:40
  So he was just like bundled up and we came across him and Ali
• 29:44
  was like, Oh my gosh, like this guy, he's it looks like he's
• 29:46
  lost. So he played the part, really.
• 29:51
  Yeah. So Ali was like nervous.
• 29:54
  And I was like, no, there's people up here all the time that
• 29:56
  they'll figure it out. Well, you were like just
• 29:58
  completely ignoring him, which I thought was weird because
• 30:00
  usually Clark is like concerned about other people.
• 30:04
  And I see this guy and he's just like completely turned to me,
• 30:07
  like wouldn't look over here. And he's like looking like he's
• 30:09
  going to go on to Eisenhower, but he's not sure.
• 30:12
  And I'm like, does he not know where the summit of Pierce is?
• 30:15
  Like, where's what's he trying to do?
• 30:17
  And then Clark is like, no, no, it's fine.
• 30:18
  So then we go up to Pierce and we're coming back down and I'm
• 30:21
  like the last hiker is still there.
• 30:23
  And then I turn around because Clark's like, oh, I got to check
• 30:26
  for my keys and I'm like, now you have to look for your keys
• 30:30
  now. And.
• 30:32
  Then he pulls out the ring and my reaction was just complete
• 30:35
  shock. Yeah, So good.
• 30:37
  Yeah. Were you nervous?
• 30:38
  I'm always like, especially when you have to orchestrate
• 30:41
  something like that. Like, were you freaking out when
• 30:43
  you saw him when she was about to run over to Mike?
• 30:45
  Are you like? What do I do right now?
• 30:47
  I'm going to fake an injury and then yeah.
• 30:49
  Are you freaking out to make? Sure.
• 30:50
  She was in front of me. Yeah, to summit.
• 30:52
  And then I was like, all right, you go ahead.
• 30:54
  I want to get a cool shot, like a cool, like photo.
• 30:57
  So then that put her in front of me again.
• 31:00
  And then I was like. Oh, wait, hold up.
• 31:01
  I got to. I got to check my bag, make sure
• 31:03
  my keys in. There, how did was Mike within
• 31:06
  earshot? How did he know to turn around?
• 31:08
  I told him where I was going to do it, so he had an idea of
• 31:11
  like, but you know where like the the view is?
• 31:14
  Yeah, when you, I guess when you turn on turn to the right to go
• 31:18
  to the summit, there's like that little flat view right there.
• 31:21
  So I told him that's the spot. So when we went out to the
• 31:25
  summit, he followed us and he kind of parked out over there
• 31:29
  and just look dazed and confused.
• 31:31
  Yeah, so the last hiker he moved, but he still looked
• 31:34
  confused and lost. So shout out, my God.
• 31:38
  Yes. Sir, so shout out you guys.
• 31:41
  I was I was kind of thinking about this a little bit.
• 31:43
  I always say this so like know anything, but whenever I just
• 31:46
  see two like crushing running couples, I'm like fast babies,
• 31:49
  fast babies, no pressure. We can cut that out, but that's
• 31:53
  all I want to think about. No, I, I honestly, I hope so.
• 31:57
  I hope that when we have kids, they like running because I
• 32:00
  don't. I don't know what we'll do with
• 32:01
  them. Yeah, yeah.
• 32:03
  It's so funny. They'll be stuck in the the
• 32:06
  stroller. I just look at Larson and
• 32:08
  Sarita's crew and just like. I know, I know.
• 32:11
  Scary. Scary, scary talent.
• 32:13
  Yeah, yeah, I'm going to get out of the ultra scene by the time
• 32:16
  they're of age to race. Yeah, so good.
• 32:21
  OK, Ali, you had a run of FK TS last year, which I've talked
• 32:25
  about this before. I think we need more people
• 32:28
  going out on some of these FK. TS because.
• 32:30
  There's so many that people haven't even done, yeah.
• 32:32
  There's a ton. A ton and so you were like, I'm
• 32:35
  just going to do it and I'm obviously very fast.
• 32:37
  I'm going to set some good times to get on these boards.
• 32:40
  Do you know them all off the top of your head?
• 32:42
  Because I I don't. Well, I know Owl's head.
• 32:45
  I was pretty happy about that one.
• 32:47
  Yeah, Artist bluff. Yeah, I think Lars has the other
• 32:52
  one on artist, Artist Bluff. So those are two good great
• 32:56
  times, that one from zero to hero that route.
• 33:00
  I'm trying to think there was oh I have the three at Sunnaby, so
• 33:03
  there's just the regular Sunnaby loop, sunnaby Figure 8, and then
• 33:06
  the Sunnaby circumnavigation. The Sunnaby Figure 8 is an
• 33:11
  awesome. Route.
• 33:11
  Oh, it's so fun. It's so fun.
• 33:13
  So if like you're in the area, do it.
• 33:16
  Yeah, I've never actually. Been out there too much so I I
• 33:18
  should look into? It I really like Sunnaby I.
• 33:21
  Kind of race that route, but the guy.
• 33:24
  Is really good. I forget who has it now, but I
• 33:27
  think Carter Tracy had it at one point.
• 33:29
  Someone else just went out and got it.
• 33:31
  Yeah, it's scary fast. Yeah, it's really fast.
• 33:33
  Like, I looked down at my watch and I was like, ah, time's up.
• 33:38
  OK. But to be fair, when we did it
• 33:40
  that first time, it was so wet. I mean, it was like downpouring
• 33:44
  and we were running through puddles, so that was tough.
• 33:47
  Yeah, and I was bonking. Yeah, I love a good bonk.
• 33:52
  I love a good bonk. I don't.
• 33:54
  Yeah, Oh my gosh, Yeah, yeah. I don't.
• 33:57
  I don't. I try not to bonk but.
• 34:00
  Just trying to figure out that nutrition situation.
• 34:02
  Yeah, yeah. What other FKTS do you have?
• 34:05
  Something in the Belknaps? Oh, yeah.
• 34:07
  Oh, I just got that one. Yeah, the Belknap range.
• 34:09
  One the double traverse this year, Yeah, very nice.
• 34:13
  Yeah. And then?
• 34:15
  And that was a big effort. You're just kind of throwing
• 34:17
  down like pretty, pretty big efforts.
• 34:19
  That one was honestly just on a whim.
• 34:21
  OK, OK, yeah. We were like, we were going to
• 34:24
  go to the bell naps the night before.
• 34:26
  I was like, I don't know if I want to go with the guys or not.
• 34:28
  And then I was like, oh, maybe I'll just go for this.
• 34:30
  FKT huge. Oh yeah, and then the Fells.
• 34:33
  Middlesex Fells. Oh yeah, yeah, that's.
• 34:36
  A gender 1 though you guys got the mixed gender on that I saw
• 34:38
  the fells and then you went down to the the southern fells which
• 34:42
  blue the. Blue Hills.
• 34:43
  The Blue Hills, Yeah. Rugged.
• 34:45
  Yeah, yeah. You guys had glowing reviews.
• 34:47
  What was it? Never going back basically.
• 34:50
  OK, well, apparently we chose like the most rugged route down
• 34:53
  there and everybody's saying that all the other trails of
• 34:56
  Blue Hills are really great. We just chose the skyline, which
• 34:59
  is just apparently horrendous so.
• 35:02
  I was impressed. Yeah, yeah.
• 35:04
  It humbled me, Humbled me big time.
• 35:06
  Yeah, with the technicality, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 35:09
  So I feel like it's kind of like a it's see, I haven't been
• 35:12
  there, but it seems like 7 Sisters vibes were just like our
• 35:15
  technical Rocky. I don't know if that actually,
• 35:19
  I've never been on Seven Sisters, but.
• 35:20
  I want to go there, too. Yeah.
• 35:22
  I just haven't ever made it that way.
• 35:23
  That's like Western Mass, yeah. Western Mass, Yeah, it's just
• 35:26
  kind of a trek out there. Nice.
• 35:29
  And then, yeah, a lot of these are outside of outside of the
• 35:33
  White. So I did a a White Mountains
• 35:36
  FKTS podcast where you hopefully shouted out all of them.
• 35:39
  But when I was doing that, I came up with a list of all the
• 35:41
  FKTS. So I have a spreadsheet, but I
• 35:42
  heard you have a spreadsheet. Do you have an all-encompassing
• 35:46
  FKT spreadsheet? I have an FKT spreadsheet with
• 35:49
  all the ones that I want to go for and the time that I'm aiming
• 35:53
  for and all. Wow, yeah.
• 35:56
  Wow, watch out people. You got to get.
• 35:58
  You got to get on these routes quick if you want them.
• 36:00
  Yeah. So I think there's I'm shooting
• 36:02
  for at least six or seven of them this year.
• 36:04
  Nice. Yeah.
• 36:05
  And then two of the, OR at least one of them is the one that
• 36:09
  we're going to do in August. Yeah.
• 36:11
  Are we yeah, 50 mile or we're not saying the name of that,
• 36:13
  that you don't know or. The one that he and I are going
• 36:16
  to. Do no OK, no, no, no name, no
• 36:18
  name no. I was going.
• 36:19
  To say it's up to him, it's up to him.
• 36:21
  Clark, I know you have a couple of FKTS.
• 36:24
  Oh, man, I think I only have one that was with Larson and Taylor
• 36:28
  Miller, Yeah. The mixed gender.
• 36:29
  Yeah, way back when that was like my first taste of like,
• 36:31
  Ultra. Yeah.
• 36:33
  Oh man, Yeah, I was seeing stars on top of.
• 36:36
  Mouth. Oh my God, Larson was probably
• 36:38
  like. Good dude.
• 36:39
  Yeah, he's into that. I told I had to go, like start
• 36:43
  making my way down because I was like, I'm going to cause a scene
• 36:45
  on top of this mountain. Like I.
• 36:47
  Yeah. You abandoned poor Taylor at the
• 36:49
  top, but the machines were. Still there, but I was more
• 36:53
  worried about, like, passing out and, like, throwing up all over
• 36:55
  the place. Yeah.
• 36:56
  Because like, that's like a tourist mountain.
• 36:58
  So like, it was like peak hour and there was like, just like,
• 37:02
  that summit was just covered with people.
• 37:04
  And I was just like, I can't be up here right now.
• 37:06
  Yeah. So.
• 37:07
  Well, that's a good first taste of it.
• 37:08
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 37:10
  You're instabio. I remember looking at that when
• 37:14
  I first heard her to go. Mike, this guy has done all of
• 37:17
  the big hikes in the Whites, like link ups and just done them
• 37:20
  a ton. Yeah.
• 37:21
  So you want to go through some of those like maybe 10, I don't
• 37:24
  even know. What's up to date?
• 37:25
  I need to give all like these giant routes.
• 37:28
  Credit to Mike Connolly. Mike, he is a madman and he
• 37:31
  makes some heinous routes, especially when he was working
• 37:35
  on his second grid. I forget, we were just talking
• 37:38
  one day and we were just like, we got to make this second grid.
• 37:42
  Like, I don't know, we had to make these peaks, like more
• 37:45
  interesting. So like we went out of our way
• 37:47
  to make some weird loops, some weird routes to get all these
• 37:50
  peaks in and stuff. So yeah, Mike Connolly is like
• 37:54
  the Roots guy. And you're the hype guy.
• 37:58
  Bring me a root. But I'll bring the hype guy I'm.
• 38:00
  The hype guy Yeah, yeah, so. That's awesome.
• 38:03
  What are some of your favorite like off the grid trails in the
• 38:08
  whites? It's hard on the spot, but.
• 38:10
  Yeah, so everyone loves the Prezi and the Pemmi.
• 38:14
  There's a lot of things you can do with the Pemmi.
• 38:16
  We did. We've done the Monster PEMMI, me
• 38:18
  and Mike. That was pretty wild.
• 38:20
  Give us the stats. Yeah, let's go on to that one's
• 38:22
  crazy. Give us the stats on that.
• 38:24
  So we hit all the peaks minus owl's head.
• 38:26
  So the people that hit owl's head plus all those peak.
• 38:30
  That's insane. Yeah.
• 38:31
  With the because they usually bushwack it, right?
• 38:33
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 38:34
  So we're not, I am, I'm not that comfortable yet, but maybe
• 38:37
  someday. So we've done a monster penny,
• 38:39
  which is like you just add westbound Zealand Hail N Twin
• 38:46
  Galehead. So basically everything there.
• 38:49
  Everything. Another one that's kind of like
• 38:51
  a sleeper that is really tough is Osceola's Tecumseh
• 38:57
  Tripyramids White Face pass a conaway.
• 39:00
  You can either loop that or make it a traverse.
• 39:03
  That's pretty. That's pretty hard 'cause
• 39:06
  there's not really any views. Yeah, and that's how much of
• 39:11
  that is on the same Rd. as like the Skyline loop 'cause I know
• 39:16
  that's a pretty good. One too.
• 39:17
  We've done that. That's surprisingly, yeah.
• 39:20
  That's another one with like, lack of views.
• 39:22
  So it makes it really hard. Yeah.
• 39:25
  Yeah, that's like 30 miles. But yeah, I guess that would be
• 39:27
  like the entire skyline minus like the loot part.
• 39:30
  Yeah. OK.
• 39:32
  So definitely give those a try. Yeah, no, makes sense.
• 39:35
  You've got the. Pemedential.
• 39:36
  Oh shit, yeah, the pemedential swearing aloud on the.
• 39:39
  Podcast, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
• 39:42
  You know, go for it. Yeah, yeah.
• 39:44
  So Pemedential took me two tries.
• 39:48
  The first try was that was that was bad.
• 39:53
  Mike prevailed though, and got it done.
• 39:55
  And I do remember that. He was moving.
• 39:57
  So, yeah, that was, what, two years ago?
• 40:00
  That's when Ali got like, her first taste of like.
• 40:03
  The depths of, like, crewing and seeing Yeah, yeah.
• 40:07
  Her and Sarita basically like walked me as a zombie.
• 40:11
  Was that two years ago already? Yeah.
• 40:14
  Wow. So yeah, that was, that's pretty
• 40:17
  heinous, yeah. You were walking with your.
• 40:19
  I thought you were going to fall asleep while you were walking.
• 40:21
  Yeah, We were trying everything to keep me up, too.
• 40:23
  That was like my longest time up.
• 40:24
  It was like 30 hours, 30 minutes.
• 40:26
  Yeah, I'm crazy like that. Yeah.
• 40:29
  That's crazy. A Pemi loop and then you go and
• 40:31
  do an A loop over the Prezi. What is the fastest way to do
• 40:36
  that? What it what do you think?
• 40:37
  Because I was thinking about this.
• 40:39
  So I'm a penny guy. I prefer the penny, but I think
• 40:44
  it would definitely be going. Hitting the Prezi first first to
• 40:48
  just get that out of the way. Yeah.
• 40:49
  So go northbound and then do the road run back.
• 40:52
  Right, because I think the road run back in the rail trail you
• 40:55
  could probably capitalize on. Yeah, versus when you do it the
• 40:58
  other direction, you're pretty much wasted at that point.
• 41:02
  Yeah, toast, which makes it really, really hard.
• 41:05
  Yeah, so and Jefferson Notch Rd. is definitely a hill.
• 41:10
  Yeah, Oh yeah, it yeah, yeah, the profile for sure.
• 41:14
  Yeah, so I I was using. Poles, Yeah, that's how on the
• 41:19
  Jefferson. Hey, nothing wrong with poles.
• 41:21
  Yeah, nothing wrong with poles on an ultra and A and a hiking
• 41:24
  and. I've attempted to lodge to
• 41:26
  dodge. Yeah, which he threw down on.
• 41:29
  You got close, I got. You got so close.
• 41:32
  All right, so this is actually my thoughts.
• 41:33
  I remember seeing that and being like Clark was so close on that
• 41:37
  lodge to dodge, like you just got to get him up 19 Mile Brook.
• 41:40
  And then I did that, that section at the end of lodge to
• 41:44
  dodge and I was like, that was not, I wasn't even close.
• 41:46
  Like, I'm not even close. Not even close.
• 41:49
  Yeah. So I still don't know how my I
• 41:51
  don't know. I don't know how he did it.
• 41:53
  But yeah, I was pretty much toast after that.
• 41:56
  Yeah, that was when we got caught in like the wildest
• 42:00
  storm, too. Where in the prezis?
• 42:02
  No, we were on Garfield. Garfield.
• 42:05
  Yeah. Like, you know how there's a
• 42:07
  tower at the top? Yeah, Well, it was like
• 42:09
  lightning and thundering, which is probably like a big no no.
• 42:12
  But like the storm was like coming and you could like, we
• 42:14
  were on Lafayette when we saw it.
• 42:16
  We were like, oh, no. And then so we got the Garfield
• 42:19
  and like, you know, the, I don't know, like the steel cables up
• 42:22
  there, part of the tower, dude, they were like vibrating.
• 42:25
  Dang. Like, yeah, it was wild.
• 42:28
  And then they just went bang and it was wild.
• 42:32
  And we got to Galehead and like the crew there, they were like,
• 42:34
  you guys aren't going back out there, right?
• 42:37
  And we're like, where else are we supposed to go?
• 42:39
  Like, yeah, we're not going to hang out here.
• 42:41
  Yeah. So up to South Twin and then it
• 42:43
  finally stops. Dang, that is crazy.
• 42:47
  And was it? Was it when you were in
• 42:48
  Lafayette? Was it was it scary too?
• 42:51
  Because on my lodge to dodge Lafayette was I would I probably
• 42:55
  shouldn't have been up there like I was.
• 42:56
  I remember just like running, just being like get me off this
• 42:58
  mountain, Get Me Out of it and it's so long down.
• 43:01
  Yeah, it was like, it was like that calm before the storm when
• 43:04
  you know, you can, like you have a sense that it's coming, like
• 43:07
  changing air pressure and all that stuff.
• 43:08
  So like, that was pretty eerie. So yeah, we bombed down to get
• 43:11
  to the trees. Yeah, but yeah.
• 43:14
  Oh, nice. And then by the time we're in
• 43:16
  the Prezis, we did it clear up. Yeah, and that's when like the
• 43:19
  night crew comes out. Larson, he's always up for the
• 43:23
  night. Miles Brady was there.
• 43:26
  Tyler was there. Oh, wait, no, that was just
• 43:29
  Larson for the large. Dodge was just Larson for the
• 43:33
  overnight. Prezi.
• 43:34
  Thank God because we are both losing it.
• 43:38
  He kind of kept us straight, but yeah.
• 43:42
  Emidentially, you had a whole crew.
• 43:43
  Emidentially, we had a whole crew.
• 43:45
  We had Connor, Tyler, Brady and Larson and then Ally and Sarita
• 43:52
  for that long trek out. Yeah, it's always good to have
• 43:56
  people to take care. Of you.
• 43:57
  But I was. I did the penny solo.
• 44:00
  So yeah, I found out that I think I do better when I start
• 44:04
  things by myself. Yeah.
• 44:05
  And then people sprinkle in. I think I agree 100%.
• 44:09
  I feel like at the beginning I just like to go at my own pace,
• 44:13
  kind of do my own thing, not be like chatting super much.
• 44:16
  I do think it is it is. You probably go faster without
• 44:18
  somebody. I just, I just get too excited.
• 44:20
  Yeah, and then two people are racing up a mountain and then
• 44:22
  you guys are cooked. Everyone's cooked.
• 44:25
  Yeah. So Ally, you saw, you saw Clark
• 44:29
  straight zombie mode in an ultra.
• 44:31
  And you're like, count me in on the sport.
• 44:33
  Apparently. Apparently that is exactly what
• 44:35
  happened. Maybe subliminally, yeah.
• 44:38
  What's your longest ever been today?
• 44:40
  Was it the 12 hour White Lakes? Yeah, 'cause I I got, I only got
• 44:44
  54 there, but I think that's still the farthest I've ever
• 44:47
  gotten 1 go. Yeah, at least time. 850.
• 44:50
  Yeah, Oh. Yeah, that was a good race.
• 44:52
  Out of that, 10 killed it. Yeah, last year was that close
• 44:56
  to the course record? One of the tops I got, I think I
• 44:59
  got 4th at. The top, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 45:02
  She beat all her splits. So she gave me obviously
• 45:05
  spreadsheet list. So I was like, scheduling, like
• 45:09
  naps, because that race starts at night.
• 45:11
  Yeah, But the one time I got a nap, I almost missed.
• 45:17
  I was like, well, I guess I'm up for the rest of the night.
• 45:19
  Yeah, you got to update your speed, whatever I.
• 45:23
  Know I was being conservative. Yeah, yeah.
• 45:26
  No, that's that's always a good way to do it, but a good sign
• 45:28
  too when you're moving faster. Yeah.
• 45:31
  Yeah, no, that's awesome. And you're on your, you're in a
• 45:34
  route for your first 100 Miller, correct.
• 45:36
  Is that a? Is that true?
• 45:38
  Yep, mid state again, but the 100 Miller this time yeah, so I
• 45:41
  did the 32 for my first ultra race and then the 50 last year
• 45:46
  another hundred this year just. Stepping up.
• 45:48
  Yeah, just. Stepping it up, are you excited
• 45:51
  for that one? Is that gonna be a big a race
• 45:52
  this year? Yeah, it's gonna be an A race.
• 45:55
  I I already have my Pacers picked out.
• 45:58
  Nice. So is yours truly gonna be
• 46:00
  Clark, You, Payson, or? No, he'll, he'll be in there.
• 46:03
  Yeah, yeah, him. I'll need some miles at some
• 46:05
  point. Yeah.
• 46:08
  And then I'm roping Taylor and of course, but that's, is it a
• 46:12
  week after? It's a week after Bubba's, so
• 46:14
  she's going to be hurt in a bit. So she's doing Bubbas.
• 46:18
  Yeah, yeah. Are you doing Bubbas?
• 46:20
  Oh, not this year. No, out on Bubbas.
• 46:23
  You're out. I'm officially out on Bubbas.
• 46:25
  I found it a lot more fun just visiting my friends who are
• 46:28
  doing Bubbas. Yeah, yeah.
• 46:30
  While they're in the pain cave. I'm just like, ha ha ha ha ha.
• 46:32
  Yeah. So we'll be at Bubba's saying hi
• 46:34
  to everybody. But yeah, yeah.
• 46:36
  No, that's awesome. And then, yeah, Taylor's going
• 46:38
  to bounce back. Give me some miles.
• 46:39
  Yeah, so she's going to get some miles in with and then our
• 46:43
  friend Michael Henry, he's going to be there, but he just had
• 46:46
  knee surgery, but he was just pacing out in Coca Dona, so I
• 46:48
  guess he's good now. Wow, Lyla Goudreau.
• 46:51
  Yeah, yeah. Wow.
• 46:52
  OK, hometown Mainer. Yeah, well.
• 46:56
  Place that is crazy. Yeah, she's a crusher.
• 46:59
  Yeah, she is. Yeah, just throws down.
• 47:02
  That is so insane. Do you know her final time?
• 47:04
  I just thought she finished. I know that race is wild.
• 47:07
  I think the youngest finisher. Oh really?
• 47:09
  Or the youngest female finisher She was.
• 47:12
  Yeah, yeah, I saw that. Wow.
• 47:14
  Yeah, well, Cocodono is something I want to talk to you
• 47:16
  guys about. Clark is Clark is on top of.
• 47:19
  He gives the group chat little updates on every race, all the
• 47:22
  storylines. And Cocodono is obviously an
• 47:25
  exciting one. But Rachel Entrekin?
• 47:27
  Holy crap. Oh my God.
• 47:29
  So insane. I mean watching that just
• 47:31
  literally the the finish just goosebumps.
• 47:34
  Incredible. Yeah, yeah, she's absolute idol
• 47:38
  status. Yeah.
• 47:39
  What do you think? Did you see there was some
• 47:42
  controversy? I wish I shouldn't just jump
• 47:45
  right into the controversy here. How?
• 47:47
  Did you miss this? Yeah.
• 47:48
  How'd you miss it Did did I get something Clark didn't get?
• 47:50
  It was Francesco Pupi. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 47:53
  Talking. Trash talking trash about
• 47:55
  Cocodona, what'd you think about?
• 47:57
  I almost sent that to the group, but I was like, I don't want to
• 47:59
  overwhelm these guys. Clark sometimes picks and
• 48:02
  chooses. Especially because I usually
• 48:04
  like text the group at like 5:00 in the morning.
• 48:07
  It's. Early.
• 48:08
  Yeah, that's that's the. Check it out guys.
• 48:10
  Well, he has it on in the background literally all day,
• 48:12
  every day. Yeah, I know.
• 48:15
  It's crazy. You consume podcasts like no
• 48:17
  other. Oh yeah, it's bad, Yeah.
• 48:20
  I'd say it's good for me, Ally. Ally showed me that you can
• 48:23
  speed up podcasts. Yeah, yeah.
• 48:25
  So I'm at like 1 .4. Yeah.
• 48:28
  So yeah, I remember that day. That was life changing for you.
• 48:30
  It was. He was so mind blown.
• 48:34
  So this is Ali's problem now that I can just crush podcast.
• 48:38
  Yeah, no, that's that is awesome.
• 48:40
  I yeah, I can, I feel like that's just how you live your
• 48:44
  life and your run just 1.4 speed.
• 48:46
  Just always go go go both of you guys because Ali you are like
• 48:51
  you work I I you work 60 hours a week train 1,000,000 hours a
• 48:57
  week. You're posting content which
• 48:59
  content content is is time consuming.
• 49:04
  It is hard it. Is so time consuming.
• 49:06
  Yeah, I was doing it everyday and then I was like 4 days a
• 49:08
  week is fine. And then I was like, you know,
• 49:10
  why am I even still doing this? And then it's like, I'll say
• 49:13
  that and I'll be like, oh, I'm not going to post anymore.
• 49:15
  And then I'll have a company reach out to me and they're
• 49:17
  like, you want to sample some of this for free?
• 49:19
  And then they're like, we love your content.
• 49:21
  And I'm like, oh, OK, I guess I'll keep posting.
• 49:22
  I'm back in. Yeah, but then I'll also like at
• 49:25
  White Lake some the support and everybody coming up and saying
• 49:28
  they're like, oh, we love your content, we follow all the time.
• 49:30
  And I'm like, Oh my God, really? Yeah, OK.
• 49:33
  It's good. It's like what I wish I could
• 49:35
  put out there. I just, I don't have the
• 49:37
  capacity to do that. So I'm going a different
• 49:39
  direction. This is kind of an interesting
• 49:43
  question. Hopefully you're OK talking
• 49:44
  about it because you have a couple sponsors or some people
• 49:47
  that you know, hook you up with stuff or whatever.
• 49:49
  I don't know the what is your goal is like are you trying to
• 49:54
  to get into a sponsored runner kind of state?
• 49:58
  I don't. Know I mean well, so I guess I
• 50:03
  mean I like having the sponsors that I have now certainly helps
• 50:07
  We're saving a ton of money, but I don't know that I'm like
• 50:10
  trying to just be fully sponsored full time.
• 50:14
  I don't. I don't.
• 50:16
  I don't think I'm that good. Yeah, but no, I like the
• 50:20
  sponsors that I have now. I think I'll just keep doing
• 50:23
  what I'm doing. But.
• 50:24
  But I tell her she's relatable. I think that's the one thing
• 50:28
  that stands out is she's very relatable.
• 50:30
  The DAW content, the work stuff. Yeah.
• 50:33
  You know, so it helps. Yeah, you have a you're you're
• 50:36
  not just a runner. You're what?
• 50:38
  I forget the the exactly. I should have really brushed up
• 50:40
  on this, but a chemist, an author, she has a book out dog
• 50:46
  Mom books a reader. So you, you're.
• 50:49
  Yeah. How do you guys have time for
• 50:50
  for all this stuff? Well, so I actually did leave my
• 50:53
  second job as a barista, which was sad.
• 50:56
  I did really enjoy that. But no, I stopped some middle
• 51:01
  March. I stopped working there.
• 51:03
  So no more 60 hour weeks, just 40.
• 51:05
  OK, Yeah. Because I figured, you know,
• 51:08
  ultra season is upon us and I wanted to keep the sponsor that
• 51:13
  we have. So I kind of needed to keep
• 51:15
  performing. So I was like, all right, I
• 51:18
  guess I'll have to like go the barista job.
• 51:20
  Yeah, that's good though you got.
• 51:21
  It more time for training. Yeah.
• 51:23
  Yeah, it definitely allowed more time for training because I was
• 51:25
  working all day on Saturday. That was crazy.
• 51:27
  So now Saturdays I have just completely for training.
• 51:30
  And working before work too. Yeah, yeah.
• 51:33
  I was waking up at 3:00 in the morning so I could work at
• 51:36
  Starbucks from 4:00 until 7:30 and then go to my other job 7:30
• 51:43
  to go. To a four to 7:00 AM shift.
• 51:46
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. So yeah, I would only do that
• 51:49
  twice a week, which were like my rest days.
• 51:52
  Yeah, so crazy. I know.
• 51:55
  That you guys are just go, go, go.
• 51:58
  I mean power couple Clark, you need to get sponsored by Virgin
• 52:01
  or you you're like the White Mountains.
• 52:03
  You are one of like the the runners.
• 52:06
  I feel like everyone wants to hear from the White Mountains.
• 52:08
  Anymore, I don't get, I don't get up there anymore.
• 52:10
  Well, you don't get up there. That's a problem.
• 52:12
  But you should get up there more because you used to be all
• 52:15
  everywhere. Everyone's talking about Clark.
• 52:17
  No, I know. Yeah.
• 52:19
  You don't go up as much anymore, do you?
• 52:22
  It's just the grid ruined it. Do you dislike some of the
• 52:25
  peaks? I just put out a a clip just
• 52:27
  trying to get more people riled up hating on a couple peaks
• 52:31
  which I really it's. More it's more of trails, trails
• 52:34
  like fishing Jimmy. I hate that trail.
• 52:37
  And what other trail don't I like a lend a hand trail?
• 52:42
  Don't like lend a hand? I don't like lend a hand either.
• 52:44
  That's false. Advertisement What other trails
• 52:48
  don't I like? Oh.
• 52:51
  Beaver Brook. Beaver Brook, Yeah.
• 52:54
  Gross. Gross.
• 52:55
  Not not fun. Not fun.
• 52:57
  Gorge Brook, great trail. Beautiful.
• 53:00
  Yeah. Glen Cliff even good too.
• 53:02
  Yeah. But yeah, it's I I don't mind
• 53:05
  the piece. It's more of like specific
• 53:06
  trails. Yeah.
• 53:07
  So Osseo Trail. I don't like Osseo Trail.
• 53:12
  Well, good. This year, no one like no one
• 53:14
  gets. It no one gets it, yeah.
• 53:16
  So everyone's got to be real creative this year, yeah?
• 53:19
  Yeah. What do you think about the the
• 53:21
  penny this year? I had someone reach out to me
• 53:23
  asking about alternative routes. And I was hoping to do a penny
• 53:28
  loop. I know, I really, I've never
• 53:30
  done a penny. Yeah, I'm like, yeah, No go,
• 53:34
  Clark. I don't know, maybe someone will
• 53:36
  find something that makes it faster.
• 53:39
  But then it's. Faster.
• 53:40
  But then it's. Not a real.
• 53:42
  Is it a real pemmy if it doesn't start and end where it's?
• 53:45
  That's a good. Loop.
• 53:47
  Yeah. What is the only?
• 53:48
  What is like the only alternatives?
• 53:51
  Liberty. Liberty.
• 53:52
  Go up liberty bomb Osseo. Yeah, RIP to Bond.
• 54:00
  Can you still go on that section of the trail though or is that
• 54:02
  shut down? It's.
• 54:04
  You can get up to Osseo. You can get up to Osseo OK
• 54:07
  closer to the bridge. Yeah, but I don't know.
• 54:10
  It's a lot of downhill. You get clerk, you see, you get,
• 54:14
  you get a lot of the climbs out of the way.
• 54:17
  Yeah. Do you think it would be easier
• 54:19
  than going up from Gale River? Oh yeah, really is another one
• 54:23
  of those trails. Clark has to do it.
• 54:25
  No, I'm not going to test this theory.
• 54:27
  Yeah, you got to be the guy you have to go do.
• 54:28
  Both. This is where bring Clark back
• 54:30
  to the Whites you go do both and and report.
• 54:33
  Back being a test stomach. Yeah, we'll have Alley go one
• 54:36
  way, I'll go the other. Yeah.
• 54:37
  Oh, there you go. Yeah, one car ride, you get both
• 54:40
  of them done. Yeah, there we go.
• 54:43
  Yeah, what are what? Everyone's got a bushwhack to
• 54:45
  Alice Head. I'm sure some people are going
• 54:46
  to do some illegal things. I almost said something a little
• 54:50
  bit. I'm sure a couple of people
• 54:51
  would. I hope people don't plan on
• 54:52
  crossing the river. That's just a bad idea.
• 54:54
  Oh, so they're shining the bridge?
• 54:57
  I think so. I think wouldn't I feel, just
• 54:59
  feel like people will start on the other side and just kind of
• 55:01
  like snake it. But nothing will be official.
• 55:03
  We'll arrest anyone who does it. This year.
• 55:06
  Citizens are podcast arrest. Yeah, yeah.
• 55:09
  Oh, I get what you're saying. Now, Yeah, yeah, I don't know.
• 55:12
  That being I'm just thinking of the of the gritters.
• 55:15
  They're like, this just makes owl's head even worse.
• 55:17
  So hard. Although you're an owl's head
• 55:19
  advocate. I am I am an owl's head guy.
• 55:22
  Yeah, that's crazy. You love owl's head, but you
• 55:24
  hate some. Well, I guess I just don't like
• 55:27
  the trails. The trails, the trails, the
• 55:28
  trails. It's probably because I find
• 55:29
  them hard. Maybe that's why I don't like
• 55:31
  them. I mean, yeah, some of those
• 55:33
  trails are hard. Beaverbrook is really hard yeah,
• 55:39
  Ally big efforts this year. So mid state any anything else.
• 55:46
  I know you have one coming up that you're floating.
• 55:48
  You can just tease this. Keep it a tease, but you did
• 55:50
  post. Honestly, I did post about it a
• 55:52
  little bit. I didn't already say what it
• 55:54
  was, but also I told pretty much everybody at Whaley 'cause I had
• 55:57
  so many people come up to me and they're like, what is this 50
• 55:59
  Miller you're doing? Yeah, So I was like, all right,
• 56:02
  you know what? It's close enough.
• 56:03
  No, I'm going for the MSG FKT OK.
• 56:07
  Yep. Unsupported, unsupported, very
• 56:09
  exciting. That's coming up.
• 56:11
  So that would be another like big kind of a ish effort.
• 56:13
  Yeah, that was my a effort for the spring for sure.
• 56:16
  Nice, that'll be that'll be sweet.
• 56:18
  Yeah. Clark, you have any any words of
• 56:20
  advice to not get carried down Monadnock?
• 56:23
  Oh, man. Oh, he knows.
• 56:25
  Him and Larson. They're going to be on the other
• 56:26
  side of me, carrying me down. Yeah, I already told her all she
• 56:28
  needs to do is just worry about getting to the top of Monadnock.
• 56:31
  Yeah, I'll get her down. OK, So she can just empty the
• 56:34
  tank, Yeah. Yeah.
• 56:36
  So where does that route end, Manana?
• 56:38
  Do you go down? At the summit.
• 56:40
  Oh. Yeah, it's summit.
• 56:41
  Just summit. Yeah.
• 56:42
  OK, Yeah. Nice.
• 56:43
  Nice. Very cool.
• 56:45
  Oh yeah. Yeah, I was going to, I was
• 56:46
  saying unsupported. Then you carry.
• 56:48
  Yeah. OK.
• 56:48
  Yeah, yeah. Beautiful.
• 56:50
  That'd be awesome. You you get your your FKT
• 56:52
  potential and then you just carry down a little cart.
• 56:55
  Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
• 56:57
  Clark, you have any big efforts this year that you want to
• 57:00
  showcase? Not really.
• 57:01
  Watch. 2 Dodge. Watch the dodge.
• 57:04
  Well, I don't know. I got to go back eventually.
• 57:07
  Yeah, Yeah. Yeah.
• 57:07
  So why not this year? Get that demon done.
• 57:10
  Yeah, got to get that. Yeah, yeah.
• 57:11
  So yeah, usually things that don't go well, I always kind of
• 57:15
  make my way go, make my way back, Yeah, and give it another
• 57:19
  shot because for some odd reason I'm more of like, you know,
• 57:22
  takes me more than one try, which is fine.
• 57:24
  I feel like that's a lot of people though, like there are a
• 57:27
  lot of amazing efforts that you think about that people have
• 57:29
  just done before and and struck out on Yeah, so that's cool.
• 57:34
  Yeah, watch. It'll be a good one.
• 57:36
  Are you you're sniffing at the Whites 100 eventually, I'm sure.
• 57:39
  Oh God, that's that's you have to go in Beaverbrook, 80 miles
• 57:46
  in. Yikes.
• 57:47
  Yeah, that route is cool though. Yeah, it is so cool.
• 57:52
  Yeah, I think that's like the ultimate one of my build up
• 57:54
  ones. Yeah, I think that's everyone's
• 57:56
  goal in the end is to be able to do that, especially if you're
• 58:00
  from here. Yeah, locals.
• 58:03
  How would you compare that route to other routes Other.
• 58:06
  You know the. Whites 100.
• 58:07
  The Whites 100. Clark.
• 58:08
  Can I think it takes the cake for everything, everything
• 58:11
  anywhere? Yeah, like that.
• 58:13
  Like just like look like I've listened to the Jack Hensel
• 58:16
  podcast. I hate to admit this like
• 58:18
  probably four or five times from the Backcountry.
• 58:23
  It like he's like a like a like, I don't even know, a different
• 58:28
  tier of athlete. Just listen to him and like the
• 58:31
  fact that he got it to 25 hours. That's insane.
• 58:35
  Insane because if you like check out those paces like to go sub
• 58:39
  24 like crazy. And if you compare the times to
• 58:43
  other ultras like UTMB, their course records well under that.
• 58:47
  And I, you know, I would assume if Jack goes to UTMB and has a
• 58:50
  good day, he's going to be close to the course record.
• 58:52
  Yeah, I think so. I I don't know.
• 58:55
  He, I feel like he's post, he doesn't like UTMB, like the
• 58:57
  whole Oh yeah, Yeah. But we need Jack to go to UTMB
• 59:00
  because then we have, we have proof of all the FK TS that he's
• 59:03
  done here. Like they're religious.
• 59:06
  Yeah. So I don't know, the whites 100
• 59:09
  is like that's like the I don't know, that's like the prize.
• 59:12
  Right there. The prize jewel.
• 59:14
  Yeah, no, I agree with that. But yeah, I don't really have
• 59:17
  anything really planned. Just every day going out and
• 59:20
  getting after. I just love to run.
• 59:22
  I know you do. You were like, it comes off
• 59:25
  anytime I see you on the trails, like for like every couple
• 59:28
  months. We probably more back in the
• 59:29
  day, but we crossed paths at the Unks and you're just excited to
• 59:33
  be out there every time. Do you think it will ever die?
• 59:37
  Oh hell no. Oh hell.
• 59:40
  No, no way. No.
• 59:43
  Way Yeah, yeah, I love it so and if she's doing it too like just
• 59:47
  it's just even more fun now because we're now we're both in
• 59:50
  it yeah so yeah. I want to talk gear shoes
• 59:54
  specifically because you are I've talked a little bit about
• 59:57
  it, but I just don't know as much like you know, you know
• 59:59
  things. I've tried a lot of shoes.
• 1:00:01
  You've tried a lot of shoes. Give us give us your White
• 1:00:03
  Mountains technical mountain shoes.
• 1:00:06
  VJ Max Original, the first, the first.
• 1:00:10
  Those were the best shoes I've ever worn ever.
• 1:00:14
  Those were my favorite. They got rid of them.
• 1:00:17
  The Max twos aren't as good. They kind of look like
• 1:00:20
  basketball shoes, which is fine. Yeah, they didn't work for me.
• 1:00:26
  The Ultra Threes, I was kind of wearing a lot, but those, the
• 1:00:29
  stack, you got to really focus when you're wearing those or
• 1:00:32
  you're going to roll your ankle. I used to like the topos, but
• 1:00:36
  like the topos, they heat up the bottom of my foot too much.
• 1:00:39
  Really. I think it's 'cause they're kind
• 1:00:41
  of like too wide, which is crazy.
• 1:00:44
  Right now, though, the Mount Coast, everyone's wearing them.
• 1:00:47
  I like the T ones. You take out the quick laces,
• 1:00:50
  put in normal laces, real good. OK H ones are OK.
• 1:00:55
  OK, good Hokas. I'm out on the Hokas.
• 1:00:58
  Out on Hokas. The Hoka slips, also known as
• 1:01:02
  speed goats. No, thank you.
• 1:01:04
  Yeah. The Mafate Speeds original.
• 1:01:08
  Like the Mafate Speed fours. Those are pretty good.
• 1:01:10
  Yeah. For a Hoka shoe.
• 1:01:11
  I like those. Yeah.
• 1:01:12
  They're kind of like a tank, though.
• 1:01:14
  Yeah. Built the Speeds.
• 1:01:18
  I think that's it. Yeah, I'm a big shoe guy.
• 1:01:21
  I know you're you're always on top of it you.
• 1:01:23
  I'm close to getting a the mount to coast.
• 1:01:26
  I think that's my next shoe purchase will be the mount to
• 1:01:29
  coast. Have you tried the Las Portivas
• 1:01:31
  Prodigy Pros? I I bought a pair, they didn't
• 1:01:33
  fit. Oh.
• 1:01:34
  I know. But those those fancy looking
• 1:01:36
  shoes? Yeah, they go so.
• 1:01:37
  Small, but when I put them on I said wow.
• 1:01:43
  Their shoes want to go this. Feels like a $200 shield.
• 1:01:47
  Yeah. So I think someday when I save
• 1:01:49
  up my money, yeah, and I get the right size, I'll definitely buy
• 1:01:52
  a pair. And it's going to be the white
• 1:01:53
  pair, the newer ones that came out that fresh.
• 1:01:56
  Yeah. So nice.
• 1:01:57
  I have a pair. You got the white ones?
• 1:01:58
  Yeah. Did Connor get the white ones?
• 1:02:00
  I don't know if you got the white I.
• 1:02:01
  Hope he got the white ones. Yeah, I know Ron has the red
• 1:02:04
  ones. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, the
• 1:02:06
  original ones, but yeah, the white ones.
• 1:02:07
  Home man. They are nice, but I tell
• 1:02:11
  Jocelyn I'm like, I'm, I'm taking these for a ride today.
• 1:02:13
  I'm excited, yeah. That's on my birthday list.
• 1:02:16
  Nice. When is that coming up before
• 1:02:18
  trail season? Yeah, it is actually.
• 1:02:22
  Soon, is that a hint? No, those shoes want to go and
• 1:02:24
  the grip is really good. The grip is good.
• 1:02:27
  So I like those. Ally, what are your what are
• 1:02:30
  your favorite shoes? Do you have any road shoes that
• 1:02:32
  you just can't let go and you take on?
• 1:02:33
  Trails. So right now I think I'm
• 1:02:35
  cycling. I always have like 6 or 8 pairs
• 1:02:37
  of shoes at a time. So for Rd. shoes right now I'm
• 1:02:45
  wearing a lot of the Nike Pegasus, the Saucony of Dorfins.
• 1:02:51
  Those are OK. Yeah, I'm a big Brooks girl.
• 1:02:55
  I've always really liked the Brooks.
• 1:02:56
  Brooks Ghost. I had a pair of those.
• 1:02:58
  Yeah the ghosts are pretty good. I usually like the adrenaline
• 1:03:01
  for like long chill Rd. runs. Yeah, I don't know that I really
• 1:03:07
  have a pair of Rd. shoes that I love a ton.
• 1:03:13
  I know that I'm a die hard for my hookah challengers for the
• 1:03:15
  trails even though he says he doesn't doesn't like.
• 1:03:18
  Those outside the the front door I don't.
• 1:03:22
  Want to say the first ones I tried were the hookah speed goat
• 1:03:24
  and I will say I did. I rolled my ankle a lot.
• 1:03:28
  But the challengers have been through a lot with me.
• 1:03:30
  They've done just about every FKT and every race with me and I
• 1:03:35
  like my topo mountain racers. I think those are good.
• 1:03:38
  I also have the mountain coast T ones, those aren't bad.
• 1:03:42
  Hated the quick laces though so those went immediately.
• 1:03:45
  Yeah, that's a good, that's a good tip.
• 1:03:47
  Yeah, yeah, the once you put the regular laces in there, much
• 1:03:51
  better. I don't really.
• 1:03:53
  I tried the Mountain Coast P1 for Rhodes.
• 1:03:56
  They're OK. I feel like everybody raves
• 1:03:58
  about them. I don't know that I love them.
• 1:04:01
  OK, not sold in the buzz. Not sold.
• 1:04:03
  Yeah. Do you have any super shoes for
• 1:04:06
  like a fast? I do, yeah.
• 1:04:08
  So I have the the Nike Vaporfly. I do have two super shoes.
• 1:04:12
  I tried the Nike Vaporfly, which is the cheaper version of the
• 1:04:16
  Alphafly and I've had them for I think 120 miles.
• 1:04:21
  I wore them for the half marathon that I just PR D in.
• 1:04:24
  Nice. I love them.
• 1:04:27
  Those are great. And then the other ones are the
• 1:04:28
  ASICS. Couldn't even tell you.
• 1:04:31
  It's like mega something. Yeah, I don't even know which
• 1:04:34
  one honestly not a huge fan because they they RIP my heels
• 1:04:37
  up so bad so, but because I spent like 150 bucks on them,
• 1:04:42
  which isn't even that much, but I'll like Katy tape on my heel.
• 1:04:45
  So then I still wear them just 'cause I want to get like use
• 1:04:48
  out of them. But there's a couple shoes like
• 1:04:50
  that, like I do cycle through shoes like you were saying a
• 1:04:52
  lot. And I feel like there are some
• 1:04:54
  that I just like skip out on the cycle a lot.
• 1:04:56
  And then sometimes like, no, I just have.
• 1:04:58
  To you have to wear them? Yeah, 'cause then I got to get
• 1:05:00
  them out of the cycle, but not prematurely.
• 1:05:04
  I have to get them out of the cycle.
• 1:05:06
  Would you PR the half at? I got a 233, sorry 133. 1:33
• 1:05:13
  Nice. It's gonna say 1:30.
• 1:05:15
  Three. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 233 Holy
• 1:05:16
  smokes. Yeah, that was like the one road
• 1:05:18
  race I ever signed up for, and of course it's cancelled.
• 1:05:21
  Yeah, yeah. So then it was virtual for.
• 1:05:24
  The roads, that was the the Hampton half, right?
• 1:05:26
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, Yep, yeah. So we ended up I appeared in the
• 1:05:30
  5K10K and half all in that one race.
• 1:05:32
  Huge. Yeah.
• 1:05:33
  So that was that was nice. That's like just trail speed
• 1:05:37
  translates just. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:05:40
  Especially because I think the last last time I did 1/2 was
• 1:05:42
  like 2019 and it was the Hampton half.
• 1:05:44
  And I was so stoked that I ran like I think it was a 727 pace.
• 1:05:48
  And then now years later, I'm not even trying specifically for
• 1:05:54
  1/2 marathon and I got, was it like a seven O 3 pace, Seven O 4
• 1:05:57
  pace? I can't math, so yeah.
• 1:05:59
  But yeah, like the last five miles were all under 7 minute
• 1:06:02
  pace and I was just like, damn, never in my life have I been
• 1:06:05
  running like 650 paces. Yeah, that's awesome.
• 1:06:10
  And that's without even like I've noticed, because if you
• 1:06:13
  want to be fast on trails, you have to be strong.
• 1:06:16
  And fit. And shorter Rd. races is about
• 1:06:19
  power. It's just like if you have the
• 1:06:22
  turnover and the specificity before it, like you can actually
• 1:06:24
  do pretty well. That's why, Clark, you were
• 1:06:26
  saying after the half you're like, oh, I didn't know I could
• 1:06:28
  run that fast. I was like.
• 1:06:30
  Clark, that was. Surprising.
• 1:06:30
  OK, you, you know. You are fast, Clark tries to
• 1:06:35
  tell people. Is not.
• 1:06:36
  Fast. Well, did you know that?
• 1:06:39
  He said. Didn't you?
• 1:06:40
  We set the course record in Arizona on that race.
• 1:06:43
  No, I was a little few seconds off few.
• 1:06:45
  Seconds off a few seconds, Yeah, Guy goes in first.
• 1:06:47
  K. It was an 8K8K.
• 1:06:50
  Also, I was doing the marathon, so I signed Clark up for the 8K
• 1:06:53
  trail run that they were doing at the same time because I was
• 1:06:55
  like you. Know I was also in sand it.
• 1:06:58
  Was it? Was what?
• 1:06:58
  Kind of course, yeah. What do I wear for?
• 1:07:00
  This. OK but you literally were a few
• 1:07:03
  seconds off of the course record.
• 1:07:04
  Blows everyone else out of the water.
• 1:07:07
  I mean, you had an incredible time.
• 1:07:09
  It ran with a vest on too. That's when you know.
• 1:07:12
  You. Know you don't know what you're
• 1:07:15
  doing. Yeah.
• 1:07:17
  I didn't have anything to hold my phone but yeah, now I'm a
• 1:07:20
  waste belt guy so. Imagine you're in.
• 1:07:24
  You're in Arizona, you just signed up for an 8K run and you
• 1:07:27
  get passed by this guy from New Hampshire in a vest.
• 1:07:30
  Yeah. That is, yeah.
• 1:07:32
  That's the best part. When they're asking where, where
• 1:07:34
  are you from? New Hampshire, They're like,
• 1:07:36
  where's that I was? Like, oh God, where is that?
• 1:07:41
  Oh, man. So you're a converted belt guy.
• 1:07:44
  Oh, yeah, yeah, I'm trying to, but it's slowly trying the naked
• 1:07:48
  belt. No, I haven't tried it.
• 1:07:50
  Do you have the raid belt? No, I have the Solomon belt.
• 1:07:52
  Oh God. Well, the thing about the raid
• 1:07:56
  belt is they're expensive. They're so expensive.
• 1:07:59
  How can a belt be so expensive? Is it worth it?
• 1:08:02
  Connor and Lyle. Yeah.
• 1:08:04
  They say it's amazing. Yeah, I'm a naked belt guy.
• 1:08:07
  Naked. Yeah.
• 1:08:08
  You can fit a lot of stuff in there.
• 1:08:10
  Yeah, I always wear mine. Yeah, I'm always wondering, can
• 1:08:13
  you fit a leader comfortably? That is my cause.
• 1:08:15
  Like in a vest, a leader, 2 flasks, 2 flasks, 2 flasks.
• 1:08:19
  That's why I was running with that White Lake.
• 1:08:20
  I had two flasks in there to start off.
• 1:08:23
  If the flask is like full, it's kind of weird, but like if you
• 1:08:27
  drink a little bit out of it, it'll form to you OK?
• 1:08:29
  And yeah, it feels good OK. But yeah, I think I've done like
• 1:08:32
  2 flasks, a bunch of gels even. Like like a jacket too, yeah.
• 1:08:37
  So yeah, yeah, I don't. Maybe I just need to just pony
• 1:08:41
  up and get one. Naked belts are only like 30
• 1:08:44
  bucks I think or 50. Yeah, maybe I get a naked.
• 1:08:46
  Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
• 1:08:47
  Yeah, maybe that's the way. Because that was like the
• 1:08:49
  original before I heard about Nate.
• 1:08:50
  Everyone's like the naked belts are really.
• 1:08:52
  Good. Yeah, they're really good.
• 1:08:52
  Because I used to to just have a Psalm and, like, shoestring one
• 1:08:55
  that I would just carry my phone in.
• 1:08:57
  But then Mike King gave me like a big one that is more like,
• 1:09:00
  yeah, it's red, it's blue. But I it has like a Fanny pack
• 1:09:04
  almost in the back. Yeah.
• 1:09:05
  Clark knows everything. Clark.
• 1:09:09
  Knows I I'm telling you after work when we get home he's on my
• 1:09:12
  laptop literally just researching random stuff about
• 1:09:14
  running all the time. Yeah, it's so funny.
• 1:09:19
  So funny. I mean, it's good.
• 1:09:21
  I, I'm, I'm looking into this stuff all the time.
• 1:09:23
  Like I'm always like, what's the, what's the weight
• 1:09:25
  difference? Need to know weights, need to
• 1:09:27
  know reviews. I think it's just hard because
• 1:09:29
  there's so much information where I just will go in circles
• 1:09:33
  about, oh, I want this. And I'm like, oh, but then I get
• 1:09:36
  on some other thing and then I'm like, I don't know what I want.
• 1:09:38
  Yeah, it takes me forever to buy something.
• 1:09:40
  Yeah, like Sally will be like, just buy it.
• 1:09:42
  I'm like, no, I can't. I'm like, how do you know if
• 1:09:46
  you're going to like it or not? Yeah, so.
• 1:09:49
  So what do you think is the best?
• 1:09:50
  Give me your best kit for if you were doing let's say a hot
• 1:09:55
  traverse for speed, what would the best kit be like?
• 1:10:00
  Lightest weight, fastest kit. We can go to brands or not
• 1:10:03
  brands like are you belts? Are you what shoes are you
• 1:10:07
  wearing? What do you think?
• 1:10:09
  I still think it's pretty frowned upon to wear just a belt
• 1:10:11
  in the whites. I think if people change that
• 1:10:16
  attitude, yeah, I think a belt would be prime fast.
• 1:10:21
  So waist belt, waist belt. And then I haven't tried the
• 1:10:27
  mount to coast in the whites yet.
• 1:10:28
  I tried them at Monadnock, yeah, which is pretty rocky and
• 1:10:32
  slabby. Good tests and they did pretty
• 1:10:34
  good. And it was wet.
• 1:10:35
  Yeah, it was wet. So yeah, I think the Mount to
• 1:10:38
  Coast will get you through. Yeah.
• 1:10:41
  But I think at the end of the day, like probably wearing a
• 1:10:44
  vest to make sure you have Patagonia Houdini.
• 1:10:48
  That's probably the best jacket on earth.
• 1:10:50
  Yeah, I have one. I think it's a black diamond,
• 1:10:53
  but same thing. So light.
• 1:10:55
  It's my favorite. It's my favorite thing ever.
• 1:10:57
  I. Think I wore that all winter.
• 1:10:58
  Yeah. I didn't have to pull anything
• 1:11:01
  heavier out. Yeah, that's crazy.
• 1:11:03
  I wear 1 little thermal AT shirt and then I pull that out when
• 1:11:06
  it's really cold and if it's more than that I'm just going to
• 1:11:09
  go do a a tree line thing. Something in in the trees.
• 1:11:13
  Yeah, that is a that is a big hack that that little light
• 1:11:16
  waist bivy. Do you think Ally you have your
• 1:11:20
  full kit built out for the trails or is he still like you
• 1:11:24
  think you got the gear? I think, yeah, I think what I'm
• 1:11:27
  doing is I'm just going to bring one liter filter flasks.
• 1:11:32
  Yeah. Solomon filter flasks.
• 1:11:33
  Are awesome. Yeah, Katahdin, is that the?
• 1:11:36
  Yeah, Solomon has their. Solomon too.
• 1:11:38
  Yeah, I actually have a quick question.
• 1:11:41
  Mine just has a bunch of black mold on the Katata.
• 1:11:44
  And how many months can I go without?
• 1:11:47
  Is it time? It's time, yeah.
• 1:11:49
  It's time. It's time.
• 1:11:50
  OK, OK. No, no questions here.
• 1:11:53
  I thought Clark would be like, oh, you know, I've.
• 1:11:55
  Used well before she moved in all my soft flash, I thought
• 1:12:00
  they were in great shape. They were not in great shape.
• 1:12:02
  I looked at those caps and I was like whoa.
• 1:12:05
  Yeah, the caps, they get disgusted.
• 1:12:08
  I didn't know that you could pull them all apart.
• 1:12:10
  There's like 3 pieces there, yeah.
• 1:12:12
  So imagine that he's not actually washing them for I
• 1:12:14
  don't even know how long. So this is actually something
• 1:12:17
  this is a funny because mine get the same way, but I I just would
• 1:12:20
  pull them out and I clean them with like Q-tips and and soap
• 1:12:23
  and like get it's really hard, but it it it takes a while.
• 1:12:26
  But when you know before you do that, they're just like it
• 1:12:29
  builds up. I don't know if it's going to
• 1:12:30
  have a drink mix. I think that's what it is.
• 1:12:32
  That's. Probably.
• 1:12:34
  But it doesn't make me sick or anything.
• 1:12:35
  And I'm like, am I immune to it? Am I?
• 1:12:38
  Is the water not touching it? What's going?
• 1:12:40
  On here is it OK? Don't keep testing it.
• 1:12:44
  Yeah, OK. I need new I need new Katata
• 1:12:47
  filters and flasks. Yeah, those flesh filter flasks
• 1:12:50
  are awesome. Do you have the the new little
• 1:12:52
  ones? Have you seen those?
• 1:12:55
  The new salm and flask have a little top like that big that
• 1:12:59
  it's harder to pour powders into and stuff.
• 1:13:02
  That doesn't sound convenient. I like the the snap up snap over
• 1:13:05
  caps. Yeah, open caps, those things.
• 1:13:07
  Are sick 'cause when we were doing that aid station there was
• 1:13:10
  a couple of people with it and like screwing those.
• 1:13:12
  Off sometimes. But the pop up.
• 1:13:14
  Ones. Yeah, I remember that.
• 1:13:15
  That was cool. I have to write that down 'cause
• 1:13:18
  I've been meaning to get some of those.
• 1:13:19
  Yeah, that is. That is huge.
• 1:13:21
  Probably so much faster, yeah. Because when I put them in my
• 1:13:25
  belt, I'll have the flask on like I usually have a mix in
• 1:13:28
  both of mine, so I'll have the regular top and then it screw
• 1:13:32
  on, which has the cap, but you can't really drink out of it
• 1:13:34
  because you don't get the mix. So then I have to do the switch
• 1:13:38
  and I'm on the trails like yeah, do this thing, try not to drop
• 1:13:41
  my only calories, you know. So the caps are good.
• 1:13:44
  Yeah, good thing. I think the little ones that I'm
• 1:13:47
  talking about are good because they must be lighter.
• 1:13:51
  Maybe. But like how much lighter?
• 1:13:52
  I know it's like how much I. Feel like that's negligible at
• 1:13:54
  that point. I know this is like the
• 1:13:57
  marathon. The guy runs it in three ounce
• 1:13:58
  shoes. Like dude, what do we do?
• 1:14:00
  I. Was going to say like that was
• 1:14:01
  cool. Does it really help that much?
• 1:14:03
  I don't know. Yeah, It's it's like just get
• 1:14:06
  faster. Yeah, exactly.
• 1:14:08
  Just train. Just train.
• 1:14:09
  Get up. Work.
• 1:14:10
  Hard train. Yeah, OK, funny.
• 1:14:13
  Clark, you're on top of everything, all the all the
• 1:14:16
  news, all the media and stuff. What do you think are some big
• 1:14:19
  stories going into the trail season this year, maybe in New
• 1:14:21
  England? Oh, here we go.
• 1:14:23
  What are some things that you're keyed in on?
• 1:14:26
  I don't know about locally. Locally, I'm excited for Western
• 1:14:29
  States with Jim Walmsley. Yeah.
• 1:14:31
  And then you got Poupei and you got Seth and Adam Peterman.
• 1:14:37
  Oh, man. Zach Miller.
• 1:14:39
  Yeah. Hayden Hawks unreal, young and
• 1:14:42
  fit. Hans Troyer Like what I.
• 1:14:46
  Know. Look how excited you're getting
• 1:14:48
  him right now. These races are just getting so
• 1:14:51
  insane. Yeah, yeah, if the weather, if
• 1:14:54
  it's not hot. Yeah.
• 1:14:56
  The record's going down. Going down for sure.
• 1:14:58
  This is going to get smoked. Yeah.
• 1:15:00
  Smoked. Yeah.
• 1:15:01
  Yeah. Oh, yeah.
• 1:15:02
  And killing Renee, of course. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:15:04
  This is, oh, this is who was I talking to with this about?
• 1:15:08
  Is Killian getting a little bit past his prime?
• 1:15:12
  Is it a sad, a little or no? He's still in the mix, third
• 1:15:15
  last year. So that's that's crazy.
• 1:15:18
  Yeah. So.
• 1:15:20
  What's going on? Good.
• 1:15:22
  This is by one of my coworkers. What's up, man?
• 1:15:24
  We're doing a podcast. Busted.
• 1:15:33
  So OK, Killian still in it. He could get the course record.
• 1:15:36
  Yeah, he could Podium, podium, podium.
• 1:15:42
  OK, We're we're not out on him. And the women's field is getting
• 1:15:45
  stacked. Yes, totally stacked.
• 1:15:47
  I'm not as keen on that. Keen on but.
• 1:15:52
  Oh, it's, I will say. It's hard, hard.
• 1:15:56
  Yeah, yeah, she's my favorite. Yeah.
• 1:15:59
  I don't know. Is Courtney going this year?
• 1:16:01
  I don't know. Who's going?
• 1:16:02
  Courtney's not. No, she's, I know.
• 1:16:05
  I mean, is Rachel Ectron going no, no.
• 1:16:08
  No, way too close. Way too close.
• 1:16:10
  I think Dan Green found out last year that you can't race Coca
• 1:16:13
  Dona. Yeah.
• 1:16:14
  And then Western states. Gotcha.
• 1:16:16
  Just. Can't recover.
• 1:16:17
  I mean, you never know with some of these people.
• 1:16:19
  They just do or they try everything right?
• 1:16:21
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:16:23
  OK. Yeah, that is exciting.
• 1:16:25
  I mean, the the big races are super and you're a Western
• 1:16:27
  states over a UTMB guy. Oh yes.
• 1:16:30
  Not even close. Oh yeah.
• 1:16:31
  UTMB. No thanks.
• 1:16:33
  Oh please, you still have it on. I'll still follow and watch.
• 1:16:36
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. But yeah, no Western states I'm
• 1:16:38
  glued too. Yeah, locally though, that
• 1:16:42
  Jigger Johnson race, Jigger Jigger Johnson 100 stacking up.
• 1:16:45
  Oh. I am so excited for that one.
• 1:16:48
  Yeah, that's going to be a good one.
• 1:16:50
  Yeah, he's in it. I know Connor's doing.
• 1:16:52
  Connor's in it. Oh, Connor's got to run for his
• 1:16:54
  money with Lexi. Lexi's in.
• 1:16:57
  Of course Lexi's in it. Oh man, I should know
• 1:16:59
  everybody's name running it, but I what I did notice though, this
• 1:17:03
  year there's a lot of people like out of state.
• 1:17:05
  Yes, actually. So a lot of people that that
• 1:17:09
  I've met through my Instagram have messaged me specifically
• 1:17:12
  about Jigger Johnson because they signed up and they're like,
• 1:17:14
  you know, can you post some reels like of you running on
• 1:17:18
  like some of the course or something so you can get an idea
• 1:17:20
  because they don't know how technical it is up here.
• 1:17:22
  Go to Hancock Notch, Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:17:25
  Show the people. Yeah, right.
• 1:17:26
  So, yeah. So that's exciting.
• 1:17:28
  So I actually meet a lot of new people.
• 1:17:30
  I think that is kind of like the the biggest race maybe in the
• 1:17:33
  ultra scene in New England that's really has captured some
• 1:17:36
  people. Yeah, definitely.
• 1:17:37
  It's heinous. Yeah, it is.
• 1:17:38
  It is heinous. That'll be exciting to watch.
• 1:17:42
  I would. I wanted to go back to Jigger
• 1:17:44
  this year, but I have a wedding. Damn.
• 1:17:47
  So I'm, I think I'm out. We've only got, we've only got
• 1:17:50
  Connors wedding. That's it this year, that's all
• 1:17:52
  we got. That's nice.
• 1:17:53
  Beginning of this summer too, so.
• 1:17:54
  We have. Because that's.
• 1:17:56
  June, right? Yeah, yeah.
• 1:17:57
  Yeah, June, because you used to just be slamming to weddings.
• 1:18:00
  Dude, Yeah, yeah, All my friends got married, yeah.
• 1:18:03
  That was before my time, so I didn't have to go.
• 1:18:06
  Yeah, that was wild. I used to just go to weddings
• 1:18:08
  every weekend. Yeah, everyone found love.
• 1:18:11
  Everyone, it's great finding love.
• 1:18:13
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Now it's my turn.
• 1:18:16
  Yeah, we're on. That two Week 2 year plan.
• 1:18:18
  Yeah, yeah. We weren't.
• 1:18:19
  We're like no rush, no rush, no rush.
• 1:18:21
  We were like, what's what are what races are on the calendar.
• 1:18:24
  We got a plan around the races. Yeah, we need to plan this.
• 1:18:27
  Word about the race. Calendar.
• 1:18:29
  Than our wedding. Than our wedding.
• 1:18:34
  OK. Yes and no, because I didn't
• 1:18:38
  want it to be like around anything big that we'd be
• 1:18:40
  training for. Yeah, I totally agree.
• 1:18:43
  I would literally be like sure it must be a shoulder season
• 1:18:46
  date. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:18:49
  I think another thing that I'm looking forward to, I think
• 1:18:51
  Bubba's this year is going to go off.
• 1:18:53
  Bubba's, yeah. I think with everyone seeing
• 1:18:56
  last year and then from the people that did last year, I
• 1:19:00
  think everyone figured it out, yeah.
• 1:19:03
  So I think that's going to go the distance it should.
• 1:19:08
  Yeah, and I know Connor. Connor's going back and he said
• 1:19:10
  he that's his main. Goal he's like yeah Bubba's yeah
• 1:19:14
  is Lucas going back? I haven't seen if he signed up
• 1:19:17
  OK. He signed up for a scutney
• 1:19:19
  though. A.
• 1:19:19
  Scutney yeah, I know. We saw Connor.
• 1:19:21
  Yeah, yeah, we saw that day of that maybe that that was a pop
• 1:19:24
  off my pillow kind of dance in that one.
• 1:19:27
  But yeah, and then Michael Connolly's back at Bubba's,
• 1:19:29
  yeah, which is huge. Can't care.
• 1:19:31
  How about you just like Riverlands?
• 1:19:33
  Riverlands smoked it. Wow.
• 1:19:34
  Yeah, it goes out running literally like the next day and
• 1:19:37
  he's like looks feel great, great smashes like a 730 page
• 1:19:39
  he. Loves to do that.
• 1:19:40
  I'm like. What are you?
• 1:19:42
  Are you human? I don't think so.
• 1:19:44
  Mike's the man. He's a machine.
• 1:19:45
  Dude, you and him were just like Iron Man back in the day.
• 1:19:48
  You guys would slam insane things and be like, all right
• 1:19:50
  tomorrow, Peme. Yeah, well, that's because we
• 1:19:52
  were chasing that grid. It's addicting.
• 1:19:55
  Yeah. Like we would literally wake up
• 1:19:56
  at like midnight drive to do a Prezi.
• 1:20:00
  And then the next day wake up again wicked early and do like
• 1:20:05
  cats. Carter's Mariah.
• 1:20:07
  So crazy. I don't know how we did that.
• 1:20:09
  Well, how much sleep were you getting?
• 1:20:12
  Not much, but. You also didn't have me in the
• 1:20:15
  picture then, or dogs, so you got a lot more time.
• 1:20:18
  Yeah, yeah, I guess a little less priorities, yeah, but
• 1:20:23
  hiking's important too, Yeah. Or running, whatever you want to
• 1:20:26
  call it. The grid.
• 1:20:27
  The grid. That is funny.
• 1:20:29
  Well, the grid is definitely. Yeah, it is a it is a chore.
• 1:20:32
  What was your grid finish? Oh, white face.
• 1:20:36
  White face. OK, so I actually that's a good
• 1:20:39
  peek. Yeah, it's not bad.
• 1:20:41
  I made the mistake. It was like shoulder season and
• 1:20:46
  I've never been close to being in trouble until that one day
• 1:20:50
  where I ended up there was no snow on the ground at like
• 1:20:55
  obviously like where you park. And I was like, oh, whatever,
• 1:20:59
  different story when you were towards the summit.
• 1:21:01
  And I got so cold. It was bad.
• 1:21:04
  It was scary. Yeah, it was so scary.
• 1:21:07
  I never ran down white face. I got to, like the cliffs,
• 1:21:10
  right? So I'm up there and I was like,
• 1:21:12
  I can't make it any further because, like, the summit's like
• 1:21:15
  in the woods way back there. And yeah, that was like my first
• 1:21:19
  like really close call. Were there people on your grid
• 1:21:22
  finish? Oh, that one.
• 1:21:24
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. My grid finish.
• 1:21:27
  Oh, oh, you were just saying that peak.
• 1:21:28
  Yeah, that's the one that put me on gridlock plus COVID.
• 1:21:32
  Oh, so you deal it. And.
• 1:21:34
  Then, yeah, so I didn't make it to white face.
• 1:21:36
  I went back down to my car, changed, got my snowshoes and
• 1:21:41
  then took Dicey Mills to pass a con away.
• 1:21:44
  I wanted nothing to do with white face after that, 'cause
• 1:21:47
  I'm like, wow, yeah, that was scary.
• 1:21:49
  That was close call, yeah. Oh my.
• 1:21:51
  Gosh, and I, that was back when I was.
• 1:21:53
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Getting into it, just like, I
• 1:21:57
  don't know, I was, I was still in it.
• 1:21:59
  I was just like not thinking that day.
• 1:22:00
  I still had everything I needed. Yeah.
• 1:22:02
  But obviously which wasn't enough.
• 1:22:04
  Yeah, some days you just just not enough.
• 1:22:07
  Have you ever had any cold weather exposure times up there
• 1:22:12
  up in the whites? I don't know that I have in the
• 1:22:16
  Whites. I did when I was hiking in
• 1:22:18
  Norway. At the summit I fell into a
• 1:22:21
  frozen river and then I had to like, rundown.
• 1:22:24
  Frozen Frozen river at the summit in Norway.
• 1:22:27
  Yeah, it was bad. It was bad.
• 1:22:30
  I was out there because I was running a marathon in the Arctic
• 1:22:32
  Circle and I was like, oh, there's this sick hike called
• 1:22:36
  Trolltunga. Like I'm going to go do that.
• 1:22:39
  And I'm with my friend from Texas who's never hiked in her
• 1:22:41
  life. And I'm like, yeah, I think you
• 1:22:43
  can do it. Like, it'll be great.
• 1:22:45
  It was tough, man. Like it was wild.
• 1:22:49
  And it's like super hot at the base.
• 1:22:52
  And I mean, so much snow when when you're getting up there.
• 1:22:56
  I mean, the pictures are wild. And you know, my Texans seen
• 1:22:59
  snow like once in her life. So she's like, this is
• 1:23:03
  incredible. This is insane.
• 1:23:05
  So we make it up. We're going back down.
• 1:23:07
  And I just happened to slip on a rock and fall into a frozen
• 1:23:11
  river. And I'm like, I'm going to have
• 1:23:14
  to run down and change, otherwise I'm going to get
• 1:23:17
  hypothermia. Yeah.
• 1:23:18
  So I stayed with her as long as I could until, like, I literally
• 1:23:21
  couldn't feel my body anymore. And I was like, I'm you're
• 1:23:24
  somewhat close to the bottom. I got to rundown.
• 1:23:26
  I'll come back up and get you. Yeah.
• 1:23:27
  Oh my gosh. I mean that, yeah.
• 1:23:29
  I've never had a a big fall in the cold, like wet in a scary
• 1:23:33
  place, but when you feel that you're like I.
• 1:23:35
  I yeah, I had to go, yeah. It is, it is crazy.
• 1:23:41
  Yeah, I've had a I've had a few touchy times, obviously in the
• 1:23:43
  whites, but I'm I, I I'm definitely one to turn around.
• 1:23:47
  Oh yeah, And kind of cherry pick days.
• 1:23:49
  I feel like, I don't know, I feel like I'm a weak, I'm a I'm
• 1:23:52
  a weak hiker now. I just don't go out on gnarly
• 1:23:54
  days anymore. Definitely cherry pick my dad,
• 1:23:57
  yeah. Smart, soft.
• 1:23:58
  I don't know. I think you know both.
• 1:24:00
  Maybe. No.
• 1:24:01
  Yeah, no, I definitely don't risk it anymore.
• 1:24:05
  Not that I did, but I definitely pick and choose.
• 1:24:09
  Yeah, so it makes sense. But summer's here, so hopefully,
• 1:24:13
  I mean, once in a while in the summer you can get caught and
• 1:24:14
  stuff, but no more winter stuff. I I'm all my winter stuff is
• 1:24:18
  away and I'm just grabbing shoes and shorts and I'm.
• 1:24:22
  Going it's been short season since the time, yeah, the time
• 1:24:25
  change. The time change, yeah.
• 1:24:27
  It hasn't. I'll.
• 1:24:30
  Be. I think me and Connor made that
• 1:24:32
  rule. Yeah, we were out that day.
• 1:24:34
  But apparently the exception to the rule is you can still wear
• 1:24:36
  gloves in. Other winter I had.
• 1:24:39
  Gloves are the last thing to go. Gloves in a buff for me.
• 1:24:44
  Yeah, I even bring gloves in a buff sometimes when it's like
• 1:24:47
  4550°, like in my car and I'm like, all right, I need to get
• 1:24:50
  over myself. Like it's yeah, it's it's not
• 1:24:52
  that cold anymore. Still.
• 1:24:56
  Well, cool. Dude, this is fun.
• 1:24:57
  This is awesome. Sweet.
• 1:24:58
  Did I miss anything big major like cool stories you can think
• 1:25:01
  of? I mean I must of.
• 1:25:03
  Not that I can think. Of nothing.
• 1:25:04
  Nothing off the top. No, I don't think Well, I mean,
• 1:25:07
  we certainly have cool stories, but.
• 1:25:08
  Yeah, it's, it's hard. I can't keep you guys here all
• 1:25:11
  day, can't keep here all day. But I'm sure you guys will be on
• 1:25:14
  again in the future, if you ever.
• 1:25:15
  Maybe, yeah, maybe on some big efforts.
• 1:25:17
  Who knows? Who knows?
• 1:25:18
  Yeah, it's cool. I was nervous.
• 1:25:21
  For this, the lower stakes, yeah, it is.
• 1:25:26
  I mean, it's a little bit nerd. It's just a little bit
• 1:25:28
  different. Like having a microphone and
• 1:25:30
  camera, like you just kind of feel a little bit weird.
• 1:25:31
  But yeah, yeah, it's, it's very, very low stakes.
• 1:25:34
  And I feel like everyone who listens is just like same, just
• 1:25:37
  like they like talking about hiking stuff, right?
• 1:25:39
  Definitely, yeah. But yeah, it's.
• 1:25:41
  Just like our, our, our conversation on the trails.
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  Oh yes, I always say like this is just exactly like what we
• 1:25:46
  would be talking about on our on our run and you know, on the
• 1:25:49
  trails. So, yeah, all right.
• 1:25:52
  Well, cool. If you guys don't have anything
• 1:25:53
  else. Thanks for coming on.
• 1:25:54
  Got to give everyone a shout out.
• 1:25:55
  Who's racing now? Yeah, Connor trying to Yep,
• 1:25:58
  Connor this week, right now as we speak, yes, we abandoned
• 1:26:01
  Connor. I know, and we're doing a
• 1:26:03
  podcast. But I promise, Connor, we, we
• 1:26:05
  even though we could have, we couldn't have made it.
• 1:26:07
  Happen. I can't run yet.
• 1:26:11
  I was like, literally got a text, Lyle, like, hey, if you
• 1:26:14
  need a car spot, I can drop you off this morning, Yeah.
• 1:26:17
  But wait, what is Lyle doing? He's in Vermont.
• 1:26:19
  Oh, he's in Vermont. Is he racing to?
• 1:26:21
  Boston. I don't think so, no.
• 1:26:23
  Oh. OK, yeah, OK.
• 1:26:24
  Yeah, he was just sound of it. I felt bad, Connor and.
• 1:26:27
  I suggested Sarita, but Sarita was doing a race today too.
• 1:26:31
  Yeah. So yeah, I I feel yeah, Connor
• 1:26:34
  just put out that flair text like for a pacer, which is the
• 1:26:37
  worst feeling, like you never want to be that guy, but he was
• 1:26:40
  looking and we just fore knows it.
• 1:26:42
  I already, I already have the Jirga Johnson weekend crossed
• 1:26:45
  out. So like, yeah, we'll be there
• 1:26:47
  for him, so. Nice, nice.
• 1:26:50
  Cool. And yeah, I mean, we'll ally
• 1:26:53
  maybe in a couple weeks. We'll keep her eyes open, I
• 1:26:55
  guess. We talked about it.
• 1:26:56
  Hopefully it didn't force it out of your boat.
• 1:26:57
  No, no, it's fine. I feel like people know at this
• 1:27:00
  point. So good luck on that and yeah,
• 1:27:04
  we'll chat again soon and definitely get out at some
• 1:27:06
  point. Sweet.
• 1:27:07
  All right, cool. OK guys, we're going through
• 1:27:09
  race results. We just.
• 1:27:11
  Heard the second place finisher at the White Lakes.
• 1:27:13
  Six hours. We're going to do the rest of
• 1:27:15
  the White Lakes. If we didn't talk about it in
• 1:27:17
  the conversation already, then we're going to do Riverlands
• 1:27:20
  100, then the Big A 50K in York, ME and then we're doing Coca
• 1:27:25
  Dona talk. So we got some some good races,
• 1:27:29
  some good race results. To go through.
• 1:27:32
  So we'll start out with the White Lake Ultras, the first
• 1:27:36
  White Mountain endurance race of the year.
• 1:27:39
  I was there to volunteer, so I saw the IT was the daytime, so
• 1:27:43
  we saw the end of the 12 hours, the end of the six hours.
• 1:27:48
  We didn't see any crazy, a little bit of carnage, nothing
• 1:27:50
  crazy carnage. We didn't do the overnight, but
• 1:27:55
  got to help out a little bit there.
• 1:27:56
  People just so hungry making food the whole time, making
• 1:28:01
  food, making food. Volunteering is is it's actually
• 1:28:04
  kind of stressful at these ultras because people just be
• 1:28:08
  eating a ton. But the race results, the 24
• 1:28:12
  hour, we'll start off with the woman's race in the 24 hour, 3
• 1:28:18
  girls break slash tie, the course record.
• 1:28:23
  We talked about ultras just getting faster, course records
• 1:28:26
  going down. No one had ever got a buckle,
• 1:28:30
  100 mile buckle at White Lake Ultra's woman.
• 1:28:33
  I think the the previous record, it was either 92 or 94.
• 1:28:37
  Marilyn told me when I was over there, but Erica Bash goes 102
• 1:28:44
  miles, first place woman gets the first buckle and the course
• 1:28:50
  record on the on the at the White Lake.
• 1:28:53
  And then Erika Notini goes 100 miles.
• 1:28:56
  She also gets a buckle, a second buckle ever over the course
• 1:29:00
  record, the previous course record for 2nd place.
• 1:29:03
  And then Anna Miller goes 94 miles.
• 1:29:06
  She comes in third. Such a stacked race.
• 1:29:10
  Peter Benito will go to the men's.
• 1:29:11
  Peter Benito wins it. He goes 108 miles.
• 1:29:15
  Jason Kaplan also goes 108 miles, but comes in second.
• 1:29:20
  So they, I think, yeah, how they do it is whoever comes in first,
• 1:29:23
  if you do the same amount of laps, that's just they get first
• 1:29:28
  and then the second place person gets second.
• 1:29:31
  So that was 1-2 in the men's race.
• 1:29:33
  And then Andrew Moore comes in 3rd, 104 miles.
• 1:29:37
  And then shout out Kevin Ellis off the podium.
• 1:29:39
  But he also ran 104 miles, a bunch of White Lake buckles this
• 1:29:44
  year. The conditions were good.
• 1:29:46
  It was cold. It was like very cool, almost a
• 1:29:51
  little too cold for a 24 hour event, like overnight if you're
• 1:29:55
  not moving really fast. I'm sure those people had to
• 1:29:56
  bundle up, but it was cool. The course was mostly dry, a
• 1:30:01
  little bit wet, not as wet as previous years, so good
• 1:30:07
  conditions, a lot of crushers. That was the 24 hour.
• 1:30:10
  Now we'll do the 12 hour. First place men, Cole Hauser, 72
• 1:30:15
  miles, second place Justin Ellis, 68 miles and then Willie
• 1:30:20
  Andre, he came in fourth overall, 62 miles.
• 1:30:24
  The women's winner, Ashley Uland, third year at the White
• 1:30:28
  Lakes, shout out 64 miles. She takes first place Christine
• 1:30:34
  Western. Christine Western came comes in
• 1:30:37
  second, Sarah Bam Logan comes in 3rd and Clarice Reinhardt comes
• 1:30:43
  in fourth. They all went 52 miles.
• 1:30:47
  So that was a 12 hour race and then the six hour race, which we
• 1:30:51
  heard from Allie already, the six hour women's Taylor Miller
• 1:30:55
  and Allie Laville both go 36 miles.
• 1:30:58
  Taylor comes in first, Allie comes in second.
• 1:31:00
  I think on Ultra Ultra magazine, the results had it flip-flopped.
• 1:31:06
  So who know who who knows? No, I think Taylor came in
• 1:31:08
  first. There was actually, I think it
• 1:31:10
  or I don't know if this would have impacted the results, but
• 1:31:13
  there was a little bit of chip discrepancy that they had to
• 1:31:17
  sort out. But that's 1-2.
• 1:31:19
  In the women's race, Michaela MERS MERS Wheeler, she does 34
• 1:31:26
  miles, she comes in 3rd. And then the men's race, Tom
• 1:31:30
  Hanlin goes 44 miles in six hours.
• 1:31:33
  He comes in first, Ryan Murphy, 36 and 2nd and then Mike Lucy,
• 1:31:38
  36 and 3rd. So I was a White Lake Soldiers.
• 1:31:40
  It was fun. It's good to volunteer.
• 1:31:43
  I always go to White Lakes. I, I try to volunteer.
• 1:31:46
  Sometimes I just go to hang out for a little bit.
• 1:31:48
  I like volunteering or hanging out at lapped ultras because you
• 1:31:51
  get to see everybody. It's you know, you get to the
• 1:31:55
  spread is just awesome because they get to bring the camper or
• 1:31:58
  whatever. They bring all the stuff in
• 1:32:00
  right up to the patio or that they had everything at and you
• 1:32:06
  get to see everyone every two miles.
• 1:32:08
  Some ultras you're sitting and you maybe do a six hour shift
• 1:32:11
  volunteering. You see two runners.
• 1:32:13
  The hype is not not super high all times.
• 1:32:17
  I like going there. If you, if you haven't
• 1:32:18
  volunteered at races, it's a good experience.
• 1:32:20
  You should do it. But alright, Andrew, stop.
• 1:32:22
  This is the results section. Next up.
• 1:32:25
  This may be the craziest result from the weekend.
• 1:32:30
  The big A 50K in York, ME, Mount Agamonticus, something like
• 1:32:35
  that. My king always says we got to go
• 1:32:37
  to Big A if we want any vert. In southern Maine, the Big A 50K
• 1:32:41
  took place. We don't have the full results
• 1:32:43
  yet and I did some straw snooping and no one on the
• 1:32:46
  women's side was showing their places.
• 1:32:50
  Maybe I just couldn't find them. But the Big A 50K previous
• 1:32:54
  course record was held by Patrick Karen in 2017.
• 1:32:58
  He goes 448. Everyone knows Patrick if
• 1:33:01
  Patrick Karen is in the race, he has the course record.
• 1:33:04
  It's fast, blazing, but this year, Tyler Sheedy, he goes 21
• 1:33:10
  minutes under the course record. He goes 427.
• 1:33:14
  That's 33 miles, 6000 feet avert at an 8 O 6 pace.
• 1:33:21
  Oh my gosh, 657 gap. And, and he just, he just smokes
• 1:33:28
  it. I think there, I think in his
• 1:33:29
  write up, maybe there's one person close to him, but Oh my
• 1:33:32
  gosh, he just smoked it. So that was a crazy result.
• 1:33:36
  And he he is a new listener to the podcast.
• 1:33:39
  He was messing. We were messaging back and forth
• 1:33:41
  a little bit. He gave me his full rankings
• 1:33:44
  from the 48 four thousand footers list episode, which I
• 1:33:47
  thought was awesome. But it looks like he he's just a
• 1:33:51
  fast runner coming out of college.
• 1:33:53
  He's running with Lars Hogney and these guys are are ripping
• 1:33:58
  around on trails. And he also has done a ton of
• 1:34:01
  4000 footers peak bagging. So yeah, super fast and and I
• 1:34:07
  think this is the sports just getting faster, but I'm pretty
• 1:34:10
  sure these guys are D1 runners, like 15 minute 5 cares at least
• 1:34:15
  a couple years ago I was doing a little bit of snooping.
• 1:34:19
  Hope hope you're OK with that, Tyler.
• 1:34:21
  He's a commenter in New Hampshire track and field, which
• 1:34:26
  is cool, but when you get this raw speed coming to the trails,
• 1:34:30
  who? That's how stuff goes fast.
• 1:34:33
  So we'll, we'll see, we'll see what he.
• 1:34:35
  Does in the future, but that was an awesome race for him.
• 1:34:38
  And we'll get the big A, the full big A results next week.
• 1:34:43
  OK. But then we'll do yeah.
• 1:34:45
  Now we're going to finish. We're going to finish off with
• 1:34:47
  the Riverlands, the Riverlands 100.
• 1:34:49
  I think this was the last year that the that they're doing the
• 1:34:52
  Riverlands 100 in Maine. Don't know the full story.
• 1:34:55
  Should have done more research. Busy this week.
• 1:34:57
  I've been busy. I'd be busy.
• 1:35:01
  Mike Conley wins it first place. He runs 21 hours, 0 minutes and
• 1:35:05
  10 seconds. If you know Mike, dude finishes
• 1:35:09
  hard and I'm sure he was trying to get under the 21 hour, but I
• 1:35:13
  mean same, same. He crushes it, takes home the
• 1:35:16
  win. 2nd place. Ben Nibbler.
• 1:35:20
  This guy's been active, He's been racing, he's been active.
• 1:35:23
  He comes in 2nd, 22 hours, 35 minutes.
• 1:35:26
  And then Joshua Robison, he comes in 2536 to round off the
• 1:35:31
  top three. And then the female race, the
• 1:35:36
  woman's race. I just bad with words.
• 1:35:39
  Guys in cows, the woman's race at Riverlands 100.
• 1:35:47
  Jessica Krandark. I mean, I just couldn't even put
• 1:35:51
  real words, letters on here. Jessica Krandak goes 2657.
• 1:35:58
  Shout out, she wins it. Eliza Broughton goes 2849 and
• 1:36:03
  then Jessica Hayne Hanks Hawks. Jessica Hawks goes 29242925.
• 1:36:11
  That's brutal. I mean, the handwriting I'm I'm
• 1:36:13
  going to get a printer and this is going to get better.
• 1:36:15
  But those are all the local races.
• 1:36:17
  The Riverlands 100 was actually one of the 1st 100 milers that I
• 1:36:20
  wanted to do, but they, I, I couldn't get into it for
• 1:36:24
  whatever reason. So it's a cool race up in Maine.
• 1:36:27
  I actually got invited to the Riverlands relay, but I just
• 1:36:31
  couldn't make it work. So it's a cool race.
• 1:36:35
  Those are the race results. And the last thing I wanted to
• 1:36:38
  talk about today is Cocodonna. Holy smokes, Rachel Entrekin.
• 1:36:47
  Oh my gosh. I mean, everyone's talking about
• 1:36:49
  lit lights of World on Fire. We probably maybe talked about
• 1:36:53
  on this podcast, probably one of the most impressive ultra
• 1:36:57
  marathon performances ever, definitely from a woman could be
• 1:37:01
  the top women ultra of all time over court, over Courtney
• 1:37:06
  Dewalter's western states, over Courtney's Moab, just so crazy,
• 1:37:12
  absolutely insane. And and I had a couple thoughts.
• 1:37:17
  I mean, every, every race is getting faster.
• 1:37:19
  People are going harder. You need to just go crazy in
• 1:37:23
  these races. Rachel even said like 50 miles
• 1:37:26
  in, she's like, I'm going out so hot, but why not me?
• 1:37:30
  And so if you want to set a course record, you want to win
• 1:37:32
  some of these big races, you have to just go for it and eat a
• 1:37:36
  lot and go hard. So that performance is awesome.
• 1:37:41
  I mean, I was watching the live stream.
• 1:37:43
  I was watching more of the leaderboard honestly.
• 1:37:46
  So I didn't catch as much of the live stream.
• 1:37:48
  I just like to see where everyone was at.
• 1:37:50
  But when when she comes across the finish line, goosebumps,
• 1:37:53
  goosebumps. If that doesn't get you fired up
• 1:37:56
  for your next ultra, I don't know what will.
• 1:37:58
  Don't know what will, but the one thing I want to talk about
• 1:38:02
  Cocodona, there's a there's a little bit of a controversy,
• 1:38:06
  controversial Cocodonas stuff that came across my feed.
• 1:38:12
  It was a friend, Francesco Poopy.
• 1:38:15
  He's a fast runner. I think he won CCC this year.
• 1:38:19
  He he made a post in his. Story that got a lot of backlash
• 1:38:21
  that was like Ross Grant commented on his Instagram.
• 1:38:26
  It was like dude you still have time to delete this like.
• 1:38:30
  Because he posted on the story and then he addressed it in the
• 1:38:33
  on the post. And so anyway, he posted
• 1:38:37
  something like I don't really love Cocodona.
• 1:38:39
  I don't like the 200 mile races. Why why are we racing super
• 1:38:42
  long? Like don't like it.
• 1:38:43
  Where's the limit? And a ton of people backlash.
• 1:38:46
  That's that is fighting words. So I want to dissect.
• 1:38:49
  It a little. Bit give my thoughts if we had
• 1:38:51
  in the podcast already, I think, I think he he tried to you know,
• 1:38:59
  he he gave a full explanation. Go read it.
• 1:39:01
  I'm sure I butchered it. Maybe I made made it a little
• 1:39:03
  bit took took words out of his mouth.
• 1:39:05
  So to go read him. I don't know exactly what he
• 1:39:06
  said. I shouldn't say I shouldn't just
• 1:39:09
  I should have the quote, but he was basically he laid out this
• 1:39:13
  thing where, you know, the trail running scene can get making
• 1:39:20
  some some efforts and some racing.
• 1:39:22
  Some things can blow, blow up to the average person essentially.
• 1:39:27
  And you know, he was saying I don't know why we have to keep
• 1:39:30
  pushing the limits. Like 100 mile races was one
• 1:39:33
  thing, but then it's like 200 Nexus, you know, all these 200
• 1:39:37
  Moab Tahoe, there's one in Maine coming.
• 1:39:41
  What's next? We got to do 300 the air Arizona
• 1:39:44
  300 and we doing 405 hundred. Where does it stop?
• 1:39:47
  Right. And so it's.
• 1:39:49
  I, I I. See, you know, he's saying like,
• 1:39:51
  you know, we're just pushing our bodies.
• 1:39:53
  I don't I don't like just these crazy races, which that is one
• 1:39:57
  thing and I wanted dice. And then the other thing he said
• 1:40:01
  was when you see these kind of races come up and efforts come
• 1:40:06
  up, it it kind of, he says something like contrues or like
• 1:40:12
  misconstrues the true what trail running actually is because.
• 1:40:17
  A lot of the media Barkley marathons is a crazy good
• 1:40:21
  example. I have gotten more comments from
• 1:40:25
  my non running friends about the Barkley marathon and about
• 1:40:29
  people running across the state than any other race.
• 1:40:35
  And a lot of people who are who are in the trail running and and
• 1:40:39
  like the times and they and they like the competitive aspect.
• 1:40:43
  Barclays, like I know a lot of people like it, but Barclays
• 1:40:46
  kind of just like in a sense a made-up race from some guy like
• 1:40:51
  just do, you know, run through these prior bushes and grab this
• 1:40:54
  note and you can't use Agps or navigation.
• 1:40:58
  It's kind of like that doesn't represent, you know, somebody
• 1:41:04
  like a Jim Wamsi on the trail, Courtney DeWalt, Rachel Ectoran
• 1:41:09
  Ectoran doing these amazing like feats of, of fitness on on the
• 1:41:16
  trails, right, like shorter distance fitness, like pure
• 1:41:20
  genetic freak crazy that they're doing these, these efforts and
• 1:41:28
  it it kind of can over shadow some some more pure athletic
• 1:41:32
  performances as opposed to just grit or kind of like awe
• 1:41:37
  awestruck performances. So that was what he was kind of
• 1:41:40
  saying. I probably butchered it, but
• 1:41:41
  that was like the gist of it. And and we'll do devil's
• 1:41:46
  advocate or I guess I'll I'll what is it called?
• 1:41:49
  I'll, I'll, I'll see his side first.
• 1:41:53
  It it is. You know, some of the some of
• 1:41:58
  the, I think it's funny, he probably to make a living to be
• 1:42:03
  sponsored, he probably has to race against Jim Walmsley's,
• 1:42:09
  Killian Jornes, David Sinclair. He has to race against these
• 1:42:13
  guys out, kick them, work harder than them, try to be fitter than
• 1:42:17
  them in these crazy races. And if he finishes 4th at CCC or
• 1:42:22
  whatever, he probably gets a little bit of attention.
• 1:42:24
  But the kick, you know, it doesn't really get a bunch of
• 1:42:27
  eyes or a bunch of buzz, even though it's it's insane.
• 1:42:31
  But then he looks at somebody who in essence a Barkley
• 1:42:35
  marathon, you know, finisher, not that that's the same thing,
• 1:42:38
  but somebody like I somebody sets an F for FKT, for growing
• 1:42:43
  across the state. They get so much more hype
• 1:42:47
  behind it in the pull from the general public because the
• 1:42:50
  general public can't wrap their head around it.
• 1:42:53
  And so you could just he would be better off going to Montana
• 1:42:58
  and running across the state of Montana, potentially at a, at a
• 1:43:02
  15, you know, at a super slow pace, not very impressive
• 1:43:06
  athletic, pure speed wise and get more buzz.
• 1:43:12
  And I think it's probably frustrating for him, right.
• 1:43:15
  The I, I feel like if I were to shortcut my like ultra, you
• 1:43:21
  know, if I'm, if I'm trying to get sponsors one day or I'm
• 1:43:23
  trying to really blow up this podcast, I think the best thing
• 1:43:27
  for me to do is just like run across each state of New England
• 1:43:31
  and just blow up social media with clips on bunch of different
• 1:43:35
  platforms. And I think that would get me so
• 1:43:38
  much more buzz than me spending potentially the next 5 to
• 1:43:42
  whatever years trying to top ten at UTMB that no, nobody in the
• 1:43:48
  US will probably ever talk about.
• 1:43:49
  You know what I mean? Like if I have a big goal like
• 1:43:52
  that or chasing some of these White Mountains times that I
• 1:43:56
  could just spend years trying to go to go for, you know, to get a
• 1:44:00
  Prezi traverse, right when I could just slowly walk across,
• 1:44:05
  you know, jog across Maine and just get way more buzz.
• 1:44:11
  It's because nowadays on social media, what comes on my feet
• 1:44:16
  this morning, a guy cuts a jug of milk with a saw and milk just
• 1:44:22
  goes all over his kitchen and then he's like, oh wait, no, you
• 1:44:25
  should just try opening by the cap. 10 million views.
• 1:44:28
  Another guy throws an egg on a burning stove and then puts a
• 1:44:33
  pan on and puts oil on the egg and then puts a pan on top of
• 1:44:37
  the the egg yolk all over the stove and then salts the pan and
• 1:44:40
  goes oh wait, I swapped the egg in the pan. 10 million views.
• 1:44:46
  Like these kind of things are what grabs attention, right?
• 1:44:51
  And so when you have somebody fighting in a trail running
• 1:44:55
  sport that doesn't have a ton of money compared to, you know, big
• 1:44:59
  mainstream team sports and you're going against these freak
• 1:45:04
  athletes, you know, for every second, every second can cost
• 1:45:07
  you thousands of dollars. He's probably frustrated.
• 1:45:10
  So I see that side. So I kind of get what he's
• 1:45:14
  saying there, but I think where he's coming from and where where
• 1:45:18
  even sometimes me maybe where I'm coming from, where I say
• 1:45:21
  some of that state stuff is the reason everyone loves trail
• 1:45:25
  running and I love trail running is it's not just a pure fitness
• 1:45:29
  numbers game. I think that's boring.
• 1:45:32
  That's like Rd. marathoning. It's cool to see these guys go
• 1:45:34
  sub two, but I really love the fact that there's long stuff,
• 1:45:40
  there's multi day stuff, technical steep, not steep, not
• 1:45:44
  technical fast stuff that's almost roadie and then list
• 1:45:48
  projects, gridding projects, fastest known time for all the
• 1:45:52
  stuff, the range AT there's so much range and you can succeed
• 1:45:57
  in so many different areas right, and I think that's
• 1:46:01
  awesome. I think it's cool and I think he
• 1:46:04
  is just probably a person that doesn't want to, you know, dip
• 1:46:09
  into that mental, you know, low of A200300400 mile race
• 1:46:15
  warranted. I don't know.
• 1:46:17
  All right now I don't want to do that right.
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  I want to try to get as fit as possible, but it's just not in
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  his wheelhouse. So him saying that that's not
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  part of trail running. It's just I think it's lame and
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  I think a lot of people think it's lame and I think he's got
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  AI don't know what he said, you know, he's he's going to come
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  around on it. But the sport of trail running
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  encompasses all of that and I think that is awesome.
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  And yeah, I mean the, the, the you know, whatever is going to
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  get attention is going to get attention.
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  Some that I talked about this in the content creation versus
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  athlete. Everyone's just trying to get
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  attention. And if it really drives you up a
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  wall that somebody doing this kind of a silly or a different
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  project gets way more attention than then some of your stuff.
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  That's just is what it is. Try to find a way to be
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  undeniable. This is what I kind of maybe I
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  strive for a little bit in terms of, you know, some of my running
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  stuff. If if, if you want, if you want
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  to go do something great, if you want credit for doing something
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  great or you think you're a great runner and you want to
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  prove it or you have potential, you want to prove it.
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  Become undeniable. Make it so that people cannot
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  deny your accomplishments. Go do that and I'm sure people.
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  Will talk about you. So it's kind of that thing where
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  it's like, bro, if you go to Western States, UTMB, all these,
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  all these races and just sweep for 2-3 years, you're going to
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  get as much attention as you want.
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  You just got to go do it. So that was some talk.
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  I don't know, We'll, we'll see. Let me know what you guys think.
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  About all that stuff. But but that was the Kuka Donna
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  talk and that was that was this episode.
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  So another episode in the books. I hope my camera still long
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  because I have low battery. This was a cool one.
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  More guests, guys, more guests. I'm I'm I'm more guests, more
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  race previews. I'm trying to refine, refine,
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  refine. We're not there yet.
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  We're at a rough I'm rough draft in these things, but we're
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  coming along. Appreciate you guys listening.
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  Hopefully enjoy the episode and we'll see you next week.
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  The trail scene is Byron off this year. 2026 is going to be
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  huge. We'll see you next week.
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  Peace.