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E94: The Risks and Morality of IVF, the Alabama Supreme Court Decision, and More · The Lila Rose Show

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All right, so for today's LIVE, there's a ton of news to cover,
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especially about abortion and IVF from the last week.
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My phone has been ringing off the hook with media calls over
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the last week and interviews about Alabama's Supreme Court
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ruling on IVF, which has been really consequential.
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And we're going to talk about why that is.
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There's also a story out that has been becoming more viral
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about live action in the news. My pro-life organization because
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of work we're doing to get fetal development content in public
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schools. I'm going to mention that at the
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end and talk give you guys an update on that.
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But who knew that fetal development content could be so,
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so controversial for many people, especially on the pro
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abortion left, unfortunately, they don't want students to have
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access to that. So a lot to cover today.
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And the chat is open here. So I will keep an eye on the
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chat if people want to put questions and I might be able to
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get to questions or comments. So feel free to integrate,
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engage with the chat if you are watching this when we do this
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live. OK, so I want to start with the
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news that is top of mind for a lot of people, which is IVF, in
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vitro fertilization, which is a reproductive technology that
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came on the scene about four decades ago where children can
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be conceived outside of their mother's body.
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They can be conceived using sometimes a spur, a donors for
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sperm, a donor for an egg, and they can be conceived in a Petri
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dish. Ultimately, they can be
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conceived without using the natural processes of, of
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reproduction that human beings have.
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And so there's a lot of, there's a lot to say about this.
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My goal today is to give you an update on what's happening in
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the news. And then most importantly, share
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some facts that are not as well known about IVF that I think are
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crucial for everyone to know, especially pro-life people who
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care about preborn lives and anyone of good conscience,
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because I think there's a lot of ignorance or misunderstanding
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around IVF. And so the goal of this episode
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is to break down what IVF is and the consequences of IVF that
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many are not aware of. And that's why we're calling
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this the truth about IVF. So I want to start with what's
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in the news. You might have seen the GOP
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front runner and President Trump has come out and he actually is
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in some ways decrying the Alabama Supreme Court decision
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and the Alabama Supreme Court decision.
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Ultimately. I'll get into this more in a
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moment. It asserted that children
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conceived via IVF can be actually their parents can sue
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in a wrongful death lawsuit and they can be considered humans.
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So basically gave them this bare minimum level of legal status
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that they are human lives. That's a great thing because
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they are human lives. Because of this, some fertility
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clinics in Alabama have decided to shut down because they don't
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want to be held liable if they destroy human lives in their
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clinic because of their just lack of carefulness with these
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embryos. I mean, what happened in the
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case of the Alabama case that was being considered is these
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children were frozen. A patient wandered in and
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accidentally, literally dropped the children on the ground and
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killed them. These embryos who are
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indefinitely frozen and there was going to be no consequences,
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no, no recourse for the parents. And so they asked for recourse.
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And the Alabama Supreme Court said you get recourse here.
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It's a fertility clinic's fault that just allowed someone to
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wander in and just smash the embryos.
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And now fertility clinics are saying we don't want to be held
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accountable if you if we get smashed in our facility, we want
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no accountability basically. So unfortunately, let's go to
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President Trump's statement here.
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Unfortunately, a number of certainly people on the left,
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Biden, President Biden, Vice President Kamala Harris, others
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have been decrying the Alabama Supreme Court.
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How dare you? You're going to threaten IVF
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treatments across the country. How dare you give any legal
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status to these children, basically is what they're
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saying. And even on the right, there's
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some voices saying similar things.
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So President Trump says that he strongly supports the
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availability of IVF, and he calls on lawmakers in Alabama to
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preserve access. Access is that word right to
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treatment? That has become a new flashpoint
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in the 2024 presidential election.
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We're actually going to hear the statement he recently made about
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this last week. So, OK, So what he's saying, you
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guys can hear this, But he's saying the Republican Party will
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always support creating strong, thriving families, America
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first. And we want to make it easier
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for mothers and fathers to have babies in a harder.
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So he's basically saying, actually, we need more of IVF,
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you know, instead of holding IVF clinics accountable, instead of
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providing legal status to children.
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This is the implication, right? We need to make IVF even easier
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to access. All right, then there's Carrie
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Lake. Everyone has probably heard of
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Carrie A Carrie Lake who ran for governor in Arizona.
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And she tweeted that she said one in six Americans struggle
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with fertility issues in the Senate.
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Now she's running for Senate. Excuse me.
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In the Senate, I will advocate for increased access to
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fertility treatment for women struggling to get pregnant.
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IVF is extremely important for helping countless families
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experience the joy of parenthood.
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I oppose restrictions. Now, keep in mind, there are
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almost no restrictions in the United States for IVF.
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I'm going to get into that more in a moment, but there aren't
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really restrictions. As it is, she's effectively
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saying she opposes this Alabama Supreme Court decision that
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gives any legal status to these embryos so that they can even be
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considered in a wrongful death lawsuit by even the parents who
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are upset with the fertility clinic being careless and
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allowing the children to be destroyed.
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So that's really what's at stake here.
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It's the moral and the legal status of these embryos of these
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human lives. And unfortunately, you're seeing
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from President Trump, from people like Senate candidate
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Carrie Lake and others, even on the right, saying no at all
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costs, protect IVFIE, let people do whatever they want in the IVF
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sponsors. OK, so Alabama Supreme Court has
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said that this is what they said exactly.
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This is important because right now there's a hullabaloo in the
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media that, you know, conservatives are, you know,
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Republicans are trying to ban fertility treatments and
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infringe on reproductive healthcare.
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What exactly did the court say? The court ruled that embryos,
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whether they're in their mother's uterus or in a in a
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test tube in a fertility clinic, that embryos are covered under
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Alabama's wrongful death statute.
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The court didn't say that these embryos have full constitutional
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rights. This is an important
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distinction. I wish the court, the Alabama
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Supreme Court, had said they have equal status under the law
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like any other child, that you can't kill them, you can't
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manipulate them, you can't do medical experiments on them.
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The court didn't say that. But the court did say, at
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minimum, that they are covered under Alabama's wrongful death
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statute. Think about that for a minute.
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That means if you're a fertility clinic, you can't be negligent.
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You can't just let someone wander in and smash jars of
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human lives that are tiny and that are frozen indefinitely,
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that there's some sort of recourse and responsibility.
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There's some sort of consequence that should be had for killing a
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human being. I mean, you're drive through a
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red light, you hit a human being, there's a consequence.
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There should be a consequence because human lives are precious
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and they're all equally precious.
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But unfortunately, in America's IVF industry, we don't, we don't
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operate that way. So think about all the art, the
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the comments being made, whether it's President Trump or
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President Biden or, you know, Carrie Lake or whoever it is.
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What they're actually talking about is the Alabama Supreme
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Court saying at minimum, these children should be recognized
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under wrongful death lawsuits. At minimum.
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That's all that it's saying. It's not even saying they get
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full constitutional privileges or, or rights.
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So let's go through some facts about IVF now that I think are
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really important. And we're going to run through
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these. We'll talk about this on future
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episodes. I also want to mention I did an
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interview with Jennifer Law, which was fascinating.
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She's an expert on egg donation, sperm donation.
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She's investigated big fertility for over a decade and she's done
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documentary films. Her documentary film
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Exploitation was about the egg donation industry and how
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exploitative it is of women. Check out that interview I did.
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It's over on the Live Action channel and you'll hear a lot
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more about big fertility and IVF industry there.
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But I want to run through some important facts that you need to
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know. First of all, I need to say
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this. Infertility is a big cross.
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It is. I know people who struggle with
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it. It's extremely painful,
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excruciatingly painful for many couples.
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And unfortunately, because of many environmental factors, I
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think because of the use in the past of hormonal birth control,
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other aspects of how we just operate today in the modern
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world, infertility is increasingly common.
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People delaying having babies. So more and more people are
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turning to IVF, but just because something is technologically
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possible doesn't mean that it's the moral decision and doesn't
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mean that it's the right decision.
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I also want to call it an important distinction head on
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about the difference between IVF and adoption.
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IVF is creating a new human life that's going to be now fraught
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with a lot of dangers to that life.
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We're going to talk about that as opposed to adoption, which is
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healing a wound of providing parents for a new human life
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that's already been created. So in IVF, the parents or the
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adults want to heal the wound that they are experiencing of
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infertility by bringing a life or multiple lives into existence
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to try to have a child that they can give birth to, right?
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With adoption, it's a baby that's already been conceived
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that is orphaned ultimately and needs parents.
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And so the wound of being orphaned is being healed for
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that child. This is a tremendously important
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distinction because IVF is focused on meeting the parents
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needs by delivering a child one way or another.
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Adoption is focused primarily on healing the child's needs and
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solving the child's needs by providing a child who already
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exists with parents when that child has been orphaned or is
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otherwise in danger. So wanted to call that out
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because some people say, how can you be against IVF?
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You're, you're pro-life. I thought there's an important
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distinction here about what these are used for in the in the
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world. And IVF is used for the parent
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to have that child they demand, they really seek or demand
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adoption is to get that child, the parents that that child
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needs. Let's run through some of the
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challenges with IVF that many people may not know.
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Number one, there are very high death rates for babies in IVFIVF
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is extremely dangerous for the new human lives that are
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created. I'm going to cite some studies
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here. For example, according to
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research published in the Reproductive Biomedicine
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Biomedicine Online, in vitro fertilization is carried out 2.5
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million times annually around the world.
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But each year only half a million babies are actually born
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from the IVF procedure. This means that each year, if
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just one embryo is created during each IVF cycle, the
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average is 7 cycles for IVF. At least 80%, at least 2 million
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of these human beings created through IVF are either dying
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through the process of IVF because it's hard, you have to
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go through on often multiple cycles for the baby to catch to
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be implanted, or they're frozen indefinitely.
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There's an estimated 1,000,000 children frozen indefinitely
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right now in the United States, or they're destroyed.
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Many children are seen as not up to the bar in the quality of the
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embryo that they are, or they're the wrong gender or the wrong
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sex, and so they're simply destroyed.
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So there are very high death rates for babies and IVF.
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In this way, IVF promotes the discarding of extra embryos
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which are developing humans. Can we know when human life
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begins, begins at fertilization. These are unique individual
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human boys or girls, their genetic codes fully present.
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They just need time and nourishment to grow.
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They need that nurture. But the reality is IVF usually
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entails the creation of multiple embryos.
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That way, there's a greater chance of implantation.
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That's why so many are frozen. You know, they're the leftovers.
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Maybe we'll have them in the future, maybe we won't.
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And then these embryos are screened for genetic disorders,
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handicaps, or even for their gender.
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Over 70% of US fertility clinics allow screening just for gender.
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So you can literally destroy the baby if you don't like the sex
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of the baby. And this is common practice.
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And then the undesirable embryos are discarded.
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This is absolutely heartbreaking, right?
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It's treating human lives like commodities.
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And yet this is common practice unfortunately in today's, and
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it's perfectly legal in today's IVF industry.
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Another truth about IVF people should know.
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IVF often can result in the conception of multiples.
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So there's a practice by many fertility clinics, not all and
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not all couples, but by many where multiples might be
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implanted because there's a higher, higher chance of one of
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the babies succeeding then the, the kind of rate of seven, maybe
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cycles of IVF. And then it fails.
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The baby doesn't catch and then, you know, it doesn't implant
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properly or doesn't develop properly.
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Tragically, in many cases. There's some famous stories out
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there of women who actually share in their Slate article
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writing about how, oh, I implanted 3.
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I only wanted one or two, the babies all took and now the
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doctor's telling me it's dangerous to have triplets.
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So I'm going to selectively reduce is what they use the, the
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language they use. Selective reduction is the
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euphemistic language that's used to talk about these babies.
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And what that is, is an abortion, often a second
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trimester abortion 'cause that's kind of when you know whether
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they'll take or not, so to speak.
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If they've made it through the 1st trimester, that's when most
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miscarriages happen. So they're in the second
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trimester. It's like, oh, the baby hasn't
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died yet, still alive, Dang it. We better selectively reduce.
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And So what is legal in this country is you can go in and a
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baby that you intentionally conceived, this wasn't like a
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one night stand in an accidental conception.
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And you're like, I don't want responsibility.
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You paid money to conceive this new little life.
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And now you think, oh, I don't want this baby anymore because
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it was supposed to die and it didn't.
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So I'm going to go in and kill it.
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I'm going to go in and abort it. And so we permit in this country
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selective reduction where we abort IVF conceived babies and
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there's no consequence, there's no recourse for their, there's
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no human rights, no legal status.
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Another fact about IVF that people should know, prepping for
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IVF requires significant alterations to the hormone
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levels in a woman so that she can be ready to receive this
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pregnancy, right? I mean, it's the baby's already
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conceived, but now she has to prepare her body and trick it
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into thinking it's pregnant in just the right way so that the
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baby will implant in her uterus, right?
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The reality of that, though, is that going through this hormone
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therapy for women, besides being very taxing, very expensive,
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often very painful, it can also have consequences.
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Having these high levels of estrogen to kind of trick your
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body into thinking it's pregnant can cause irregular periods.
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It can cause depression, uterine fibroids, osteoporosis, memory
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loss and infections. So this isn't a walk in the park
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for the mothers either. For the women.
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This is incredibly taxing both physically and emotionally, as
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well as dangerous for women to be doing this unnatural process
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of preparing and priming their body for an embryo that wasn't
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conceived in their body. Another fact about IVF that
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people should know. Advances with IVF has permitted
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parents to have a screening process where they can make sure
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that the baby that they're bringing into the world has
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desirable traits and has no genetic defects.
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So what happens in many clinics is these children are subjected
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to genetic testing to ensure they fit the parameters of what
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the parents want. You see this a lot even before
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the fertilization of that embryo when the parents, if it's like a
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same sex couple is shopping for an egg or sperm of another
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individual. And so you actually see them
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setting the bar for what they want in that egg donor per SE.
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There is a infamous YouTube couple recently, two men that
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were very public about their IVF journey and they went through
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this long process to get, I think they ended up getting 10
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frozen embryos, 10 babies, and who knows how many they tried to
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create before that. And then they brought into the
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world 2 little boys through surrogates.
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But they're joking on camera on their YouTube channel.
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This is Shane Dawson and his same sex partner.
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They're joking about how they were looking for a, you know, a
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very Pretty Woman, an attractive woman with certain qualities to
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be the egg donor because they want their kids to be
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attractive. And so they're literally
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shopping like, you'd shop for clothes or a car or a house or
22:07
whatever. They're shopping for their
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child. And then they don't just shop
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for the child. They do some magic or their
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their technology, you know, they pay a boatload of money.
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By the way, there's no vetting here either.
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It's not like Shane Dawson has to go through some lengthy
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approval process like you do for adoption.
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He can just buy those eggs from a from a sperm or from an egg
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donor. And then they go through this
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process in the IVF clinic of saying, OK, how many boys do we
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got? How many girls?
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Oh, we don't want the girls. We just want the boys.
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OK? Oh, we just want two.
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We don't want 3. So now there's 8 babies.
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Maybe there were more originally indefinitely frozen that may end
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up getting discarded, that means killed or donated for medical
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experimentation later down the line.
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And meanwhile, because of IVF, Shane Dawson and his same sex
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partner is, is the the other man are bringing home to their home
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2 babies that share maybe a biological link to only one of
23:07
them and has a mother out there that was the donor that they'll
23:10
never know. They'll never know mother.
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And we there's no, there's no check in process on how are they
23:15
doing? How's this baby?
23:16
How's this family? It's done because they had the
23:18
money to pay for it. That is what IVF has allowed
23:22
parents to screen on embryos with genetic disabilities and to
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basically create super babies, the baby of their design.
23:29
And if you have enough money and you can go through enough cycles
23:32
and hire enough donors and hire enough surrogates, then you can
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move forward and basically purchase your baby.
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That's what IVF allows. And it's, it's heartbreaking.
23:43
I got to tell one more story about this too.
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I've talked about this before in some speeches on on social
23:48
media, but I don't know if I've talked about the podcast yet.
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And that's the story of a woman named Brittany in the state of
23:55
California who was a surrogate. So she was paid to carry other
23:59
people's children who are going through the IVF process.
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And in one case, she was paid by two men, again at the same sex
24:05
couple to carry a little boy. And she did that.
24:10
And she discovered when the boy was around 20 weeks old,
24:13
preborn, that the health, you know, healthy boy, healthy
24:16
pregnancy, but that she had breast cancer.
24:20
And so she wanted to start a process for cancer treatments,
24:25
basically, and she was concerned that this would hurt the baby.
24:27
So she was willing to delay it a little bit and then undergo an
24:31
early delivery, which again, this can be very ethical to
24:34
protect the baby. But basically, give the baby a,
24:37
a, a chance, get, you know, give him a few more weeks, get him in
24:39
NICU and do an early delivery so that the cancer treatments
24:43
wouldn't harm the baby. And the same sex couple told her
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we don't want a NICU baby, we don't want an early delivered
24:53
baby, abort the baby, kill the baby.
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And she was like, no, I can't. It's a 20 week old baby.
24:59
I'm not going to do that. It's this little boy, He's
25:00
perfectly healthy. No, you spent all this money to
25:03
create him. Why are you going to kill him?
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And there's like, we do not want to deal with the NICU baby.
25:06
We don't want to deal with a little boy that might have
25:09
issues from being a preemie. And she was saying no, I don't
25:13
want to do this. But they were legally in their
25:17
contract. They legally got to call the
25:19
shots and she went through with an early delivery at an age when
25:23
he was too little to survive 21 weeks, I think.
25:27
And the hospital didn't even attempt to resuscitate or give
25:30
him life saving support because you can actually survive as
25:33
early as 21 weeks, 5 days. And that's the earliest
25:36
surviving preemie. He didn't even get a chance.
25:38
He was killed. He was murdered in that
25:40
hospital. Now, in this story, obviously
25:43
these extremely selfish men that did this to him, treating him
25:47
like worse than property, property that they would
25:49
literally throw in the trash can.
25:52
It's evil what they did. I think it's also evil what she
25:55
did, that she permitted this, that she didn't fight harder.
25:59
I think it's problematic to even do surrogacy, obviously highly
26:02
ethically wrong, I think to do any of this because of the the
26:06
treatment of human beings like commodities.
26:08
And that's kind of the final point about the truth about IVF
26:11
here is that IVF breaks the natural order.
26:15
And I, I can understand why people want to break it because
26:17
if the natural order feels broken already, right, there's
26:19
infertility can understand why people want technology that will
26:23
solve that. But in pursuing this technology,
26:26
it has led to tremendous human rights abuses of these children.
26:31
And many remain indefinitely frozen or have been already
26:34
destroyed or have been subjected to selective reduction abortions
26:38
or medical research and killed. So I believe that it's time for
26:44
the USA to have a reckoning with big fertility, with the
26:48
fertility industry and for people to be made aware of all
26:52
of the ethical harms, the the human rights abuses of this
26:56
often well-intentioned but dangerous technology.
27:00
And instead to rediscover fertility treatments and and
27:04
double down in fertility treatments and and mindset about
27:08
children that is more ethical. And that's what I want to end
27:11
with here because there is hope here.
27:13
Again, I understand people that are just desperate for a child.
27:18
It's a painful, painful position to be in and I wouldn't wish it
27:21
on anyone. But the solution is not to
27:24
pursue something that is ultimately going to go against
27:28
our nature as human beings. The natural bond of love that
27:31
how children are conceived through the love of their
27:32
parents and ultimately subject them to such risk and so much
27:37
abuse. And So what are the better ways?
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Well, first of all, one better way is things like Napro
27:44
technology. Napro technology is natural
27:48
procreative technology. It's designed to work with a
27:51
woman's body to address underlying conditions about why
27:55
she might be infertile, or for the man, underlying conditions
27:58
about why he might be infertile. Often, people can be diagnosed
28:01
as infertile after even just six months or a year and qualify for
28:06
IVF without even having this deep dive done into their
28:09
medical history into why they're struggling with infertility to
28:12
begin with. People are looking for quick
28:15
answers and that's what IVF seems to promise them, but
28:19
unfortunately, it often doesn't come true.
28:21
But Napro technology is the deeper way to really understand,
28:24
OK, what's going on here? Is there are there ovarian
28:27
cysts? Is there polycystic ovarian
28:29
disease? Is there repetitive miscarriage
28:31
caused by hormonal balance? What are the other health
28:33
complications that might be present here?
28:36
And unfortunately, in modern Western medicine in America, I
28:40
think sometimes doctors are looking for the quick fix.
28:42
They're not taking the time to really evaluate what's going on
28:46
with this woman's body or with her husband's, you know, the
28:48
man's body. What what can we do here to heal
28:51
at a very deep level? And on the podcast, actually,
28:54
we're going to have on Lauren Rubal, who's a fertility
28:56
specialist, including in Napro technology, and she is going to
28:59
deep dive some of these treatments for us.
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She was on the show last year and last year she talked about
29:04
why she left the IVF industry because it was unethical.
29:08
She had seen enough and she's like, I can't keep doing this
29:11
and why she totally changed her practice to be more for natural
29:16
technologies that are not going to put the baby at risk or the
29:19
mother at risk and that are ethical.
29:21
So I'm really excited for that conversation and I think that
29:25
will open the door more for solutions.
29:28
I want to close the conversation about IVF with this.
29:32
Any baby can see via IVF is equally precious and purpose and
29:38
God has a plan for them and they deserve protection.
29:40
So there's children and people walking around.
29:43
And so actually I think as old as 40 years old now, the first
29:45
technology I think worked almost 4 decades ago, if I have the the
29:49
numbers right here. But these are human lives.
29:52
So this is not in any way to say that if you're conceived via IVF
29:55
that your life isn't precious. God doesn't have a plan for you.
29:58
Of course. I mean, the whole point of why
30:00
IVF is a problem is because life is precious, is because life is
30:04
sacred and because the natural order of how life comes into the
30:08
world should not be broken. And so I just want to encourage
30:11
people listening that life is sacred.
30:15
These embryos that are frozen indefinitely, they deserve legal
30:18
status. There are beautiful efforts to
30:21
adopt them. Actually, it's called snowflake
30:23
adoption. And some couples that struggle
30:25
with infertility have sought to do that.
30:28
I think this can be a beautiful solution.
30:31
There's ton of ethical ramifications there.
30:33
We're not going to get into there, but I think it can.
30:35
There are ways to pursue that ethically, and I think that that
30:38
can be a beautiful response. I also think adoption can be a
30:43
beautiful response. But the final point is this.
30:46
Nobody is owed a child. I mean, this is a hard truth.
30:51
No one's owed a child. No individual, no couple, no
30:54
married couple is owed a human child.
30:58
They're a gift. They're pure gift.
31:00
And so we are blessed with that gift.
31:02
We should be extremely thankful and cherish that life and serve
31:05
that life. But no one's owed a child.
31:08
We're, we are, we have the opportunity to seek a child.
31:10
You know, if we get married and try to conceive, but we don't,
31:13
we're not owed that life. And so we need to change our
31:16
mindset at large. I think about children in this
31:18
country and unfortunately because of abortion, because of
31:21
IVF, because of these things, we have this mindset that children,
31:25
you snap your fingers, pay enough, you work hard enough,
31:27
you get them. You don't want the child you've
31:29
conceived, you know you're pregnant, get rid of it.
31:32
We have this commercial mentality, this use mentality
31:37
about kids, which needs to be adjusted to one that is more
31:42
about gift and love. Because at the end of the day,
31:46
human beings were designed to love and we are gifts freely
31:49
given, freely received, but not always promised gifts to one
31:53
another. All right.
31:54
Before we close up, though, I want to quickly mention Baby
31:57
Olivia. So Baby Olivia is a video that
32:01
live action produced three years ago.
32:04
And actually, Frank, if you type in baby Olivia, you can pull it
32:07
up. Baby Olivia live action, you
32:10
probably have seen this video if you're listening.
32:11
If you haven't, check it out. It's been viewed, I think 50
32:14
million times online. The first year it was released,
32:17
it got 30 million views. And now all of these states are
32:20
putting it in their school curriculum and public schools
32:25
are being required to include this in the classroom to watch
32:28
this beautiful, lifelike, medically accurate animation of
32:33
human life in the womb. So this is can only be good
32:35
news, right? This doesn't even mention
32:36
abortion. This video.
32:38
It's just like, hi, I'm Olivia at 3 1/2 weeks.
32:40
My heart is beating. I mean, it's all the
32:42
developmental markers that are scientifically, scientifically
32:45
correct. Well, live action's in a fight
32:48
right now with a ton of these media groups like Associated
32:52
Press and Mother Jones and all of these unfortunately pro abort
32:57
media groups, Washington Post, who are angry that students
33:02
would have access to baby Olivia because it's pro-life
33:06
propaganda, anti emotion propaganda.
33:08
Abortion's not mentioned at all and everything in this video is
33:12
medically accurate. They cannot point to one
33:13
specific thing that's inaccurate.
33:16
I'm bringing this up because I want you guys to go right now.
33:19
You can go to liveaction.org or you can type in Baby Olivia on
33:21
Google, Watch the video and share it.
33:25
Let's make Olivia more popular than ever and make it more
33:29
accessible than ever to people across the country.
33:32
And go to liveaction.org and sign up to support us or stay
33:37
connected with us so that you can help us in this journey.
33:40
Again, we're not doing the legislative work.
33:42
That's lawmakers. They're doing a great job.
33:44
They don't need us for that. But our job is to create the
33:46
content that's best in class, medically accurate content that
33:50
can be used in schools. And so we're super pumped about
33:52
it. And surprise, surprise, pro
33:54
abortion media is not. So that's what you get right?
33:58
That's that's the fight of our lives.
34:00
Follow the science until it's inconvenient, right?
34:04
If you're on the the pro abortion left, follow the
34:06
science until the science tells you this is a human life and
34:09
then you're mad because you want to support killing the human
34:12
life. So you say shut it down.
34:14
I mean, it's crazy the comments we've seen people saying this is
34:16
propaganda. Why would you subject children
34:19
to this? It's like this is this is basic
34:22
medical. I mean, you could go to
34:24
babycenter.com or any pregnancy app and the same markers we use
34:28
in this video will be on that app.
34:30
But oh, if the student in the sex Ed or the biology classroom
34:34
sees it, they might think it's a baby, they might think it's a
34:37
human. And then they might think, don't
34:40
kill them in an abortion. And that very logical thought
34:44
process is what the pro abortion media and activists are raging
34:49
mad about. So make them more mad in a
34:52
loving way by sharing Olivia. And you can we'll link it in the
34:56
in the bio as well. All right, guys, thank you for
34:59
joining me for this live. I really appreciate you guys
35:02
listening and supporting the show.
35:04
Send me your thoughts on IVF. Send me your thoughts on baby
35:07
Olivia. I love to hear from you.
35:09
You can do that by emailing me at Lila, at GTBGTB, media.com,
35:16
and don't forget locals and Patreon.
35:18
That's where you can join our communities, you can support the
35:21
show, and you can also. We'll be doing more behind the
35:24
scenes stuff in the future there and we were first to post there
35:26
about what's coming up on the podcast and upcoming live
35:29
events. Thank you guys so much and we
35:32
will see you next time.