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E141: Why I Stopped Dating Women w/ Kim Zember · The Lila Rose Show

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Why is it wrong to have a relationship with someone of the
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same sex? I'm not saying what is and what
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isn't sin. I'm repeating what God has said
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is or what isn't sin. I have just as much of a problem
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with a male and female who are married in the church and are
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not open to life. I am not dating women because
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I've tasted and seen a better love, a deeper love, the love
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that my own little soul actually has been longing for since since
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I was born. Hey, Fred.
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Hi. We've already been talking so we
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can start more officially. Hello, Welcome to the podcast,
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Kim. It's great to be on.
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They're great. All right, you're you're a
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repeat here. So people already have seen your
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lovely face, but. I'm back.
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You're back. Yeah, invited back.
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We miss you in California, Kim. I miss California.
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It's good to be back. It's still home.
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You recently took off to somewhere else.
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Where are you now? I am now officially in Dallas.
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Dallas, TX. I know I get 6 days.
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I've been there six days and I love it.
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I absolutely love it. I don't go outside a lot, I stay
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inside. It's air conditioned.
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I do not love the heat, but the community, just the people.
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I genuinely I'm like OK God, now I get it because I did not know
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why he was moving me. Wow, we still have good people
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in California, you know that, right?
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Absolutely, I'm one of them. There are special people in
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Dallas, that is. True, it is there.
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There's just a community like I haven't really seen.
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You that's good. You need that for your ministry.
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So I, I want folks listening. We've done a couple episodes
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with you, but you have a new ministry out.
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So I'd love for you to share about boldly beloved and then
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we're going to do some rundown if it's OK with you on some
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stuff happening in pop culture and get your commentary,
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especially on sexuality and identity issues.
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All right, so what's boldly beloved?
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So I just realized like the Lord was doing so much in my personal
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life on regarding sexuality, and then I realized, Oh my gosh,
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this is so much deeper than just my sexuality.
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This is actually my identity that I'm having an issue with.
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And then missions, I was doing missions work.
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And and so it was just kind of these three key things for me
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that I saw in my own personal life.
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Like I didn't have sexuality under the Lord's leadership.
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So my identity was off. I didn't know that I was a
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beloved daughter. I thought I was a daughter, but
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like one that wasn't really loved.
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And then I was out doing missions, trying to be loved.
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And so the Lord just kind of showed me my own life and was
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like, hey, if you've struggled with this, other people might
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too. And so just really hitting on
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these core things of who are we? What is our sexuality, right?
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And how does that align with our identity in Christ?
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And then now how do we live this out missionally as sons and
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daughters? And so yeah, it's, it's been
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something that just has naturally kind of grown.
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I didn't want another ministry, but really what it did was kind
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of encompass everything that God's been doing in my own
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personal life and that I share about so.
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I think, I think your story, Kim, is so important.
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I just, I think everyone needs to know it because you're what's
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so powerful about what your story, what you do with your
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story is that it's not just the story of, oh, I was living the
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lesbian lifestyle and then I turned straight or something
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like, you know, I think a lot of people think, Oh, well, that's
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just some Christian propaganda, you know, to try to twist
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people's arms. Christians are going to try to
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make you straight, not make you true to yourself.
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But your story goes to a much deeper question of what it means
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to be human and what it means to be in relationship with God.
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And so before we dive into the culture stuff, because I do want
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to get to some of the pop culture stories and news stories
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that I think need to be talked about.
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What what is at the core of 1's identity and why?
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Why are sexual attractions, I think some people caught up in
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LGBTQ plus I whatever ideology think my sexual attractions are
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core to my identity. Why are sexual attractions
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actually not core to 1's identity?
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And what is core to 1's identity?
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Well, I'll go back to Scripture. Like we are made in the likeness
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and image of God, right? And so the core of our identity
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is going to be God himself, right?
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We are made in his likeness and and in his image.
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And sexuality is part of our human expression.
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And to say that it's not and to suffocate that or to push it
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down is not God's way either. But but to say that my sexual
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attraction is who I am is actually just doing a disservice
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to your very self because you are so we are so much more than
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our sexuality, right? Like it's a part of us.
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It is absolutely. But every part of us is supposed
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to come into the under the lordship right of God himself
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because we're made in his image. He's not made in our image.
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And so I think really what we're kind of doing sometimes when we
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we allow our attractions, whatever they be.
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And, and I would say this honestly, even to those who have
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inline sexual attractions that line up with the Lord's ways,
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sometimes they can make their sexuality, their
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heterosexuality, their identity. And guess what?
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Just as wrong because they're still missing out.
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Our identity actually was purchased by Jesus.
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It was something that was actually shed on the cross.
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It's the blood of the Lamb that actually brings me back into
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right identity, right? He paid the price for me and for
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you while we were still sinners. He died for us.
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And so for me to take on anything that doesn't look like
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Christ and then identify myself as that, it's just, it's almost
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like lashing him again on the cross.
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It's the the very thing he died for was sin.
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Any type of sin, whether it be homosexuality, whether it be
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idolatry, idolatry, any of this, right, that he gave his life
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for. And so I think really what makes
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me sad, what makes me sad is when I see someone identifying
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as well, I'm gay. OK, Well, this is this is your
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inclination. This is what you're drawn to.
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This is who you're drawn to. But do you know you're more than
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that? Do you know you're more than
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that? And and that is where I don't
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know that we as Christians sometimes do the best job is
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actually telling people that there's more, there's more.
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I'm not saying let's just ignore that.
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But hey, there's more and we start to experience like that
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God actually really loves us and that he's for us and he's not
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against us. And we learned that we actually
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can come into this son daughter relationship as beloved sons and
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daughters. We start to experience a
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fullness of life. And it's not just hinging on
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something that honestly could change.
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I, I know people that had no counselling or anything.
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They once were dating the same sex and then they met someone of
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the opposite sex and they fell in love.
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There was no conversion therapy. There was no, you know,
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counseling or anything going on. But it, it changed.
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So now who are they? I think the LGBTQ ideology may
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say, well, they are bi or maybe they are, you know, Polly, like
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they'll, they'll kind of. Switch.
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Yeah, they're. They're, you know, they're on a,
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some sort of a spectrum of sexuality.
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So there is some identity for specifically that person who
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thought they were attracted to the same sex and then ended up
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falling in love with the opposite.
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But see, I think that goes back to because the world's always
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trying to put a label on us. The world's always trying to
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tell us who we are when God himself has already said who we
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are. And so if we're not rooted and
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grounded in our identity as beloved sons and daughters,
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we're going to probably pick up these other things and let the
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world label, you know, in 10 years, these these labels are
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going to turn into something else.
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We were not created to be constantly changing like that,
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like we're in a world that's always changing.
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And so the world can only offer us these new titles, these new
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names, these new things. But it's it's, we're just living
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less than if we're. But I would say the same.
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I would say the same to someone who says I'm a lawyer, right?
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Well, Amen. Awesome.
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I'm so glad you're a lawyer. It's beautiful.
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It took a lot of work, but what about when or if you ever get
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fired? Or what about when AI takes over
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and you're no longer needed? Who are you now?
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Who are you now? So this is not just around
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sexuality. This is sometimes even over the
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gifts and talents God's given us or the careers he has us in, or
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the, the, you know, one Commission you have right now in
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your life. But when that show goes away or
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that whatever, even even for me, oh, I'm a speaker.
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Well, what if I get cancelled? Or what if?
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We physically lose our ability to speak.
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I mean, I think about Joni Erickson Tata as an example.
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I was just talking with a friend of hers, Renee Bondi, who was a
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paraplegic. I mean, she became a paraplegic
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I think months before she was going to get married or maybe it
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was even weeks freak accident. And her whole idea of her
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identity as a singer, as a dancer, was dramatically
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changed. And she had to wrestle with that
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core question of who am I? Who is Renee?
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Céline Dion, it breaks my heart. I was watching her and I'm like,
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I pray to God. She knows she's so much more
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than her voice. She has a gift.
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She had a gift. And who is she now like?
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And that's. She Can't Sing it all anymore.
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It's yeah. I mean, she has a hard time even
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like, speaking, let alone singing.
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And it and it's so hard to watch because when I've seen just very
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brief things, I see a woman that was so standing tall and, you
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know, just amazing in different ways of not talking morally or
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getting into that. But she just had such a gift and
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she used it. And now she doesn't know who she
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is. She's lost her identity because
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it was rooted in something that was part of what made her up.
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But it's not the fullness. See, like if I, God forbid, lose
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my legs and my arms, I want to be so rooted that I belong to
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God, that he paid for me at a price of his own blood.
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And then he says, Kim, you're worthy even if nobody else says
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you are. Well, I think the other part of
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it is, is human happiness because we want so badly to be
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happy and feel fulfilled. And so we think that all of
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these things, whether it's sexual identity or attraction or
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interest or a relationship or a talent we have or a status we
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have or a material good that we have, or an experience like a
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great, like a great vacation or some experience we have.
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We think that that's going to bring us meaning and, and value.
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And sometimes these things can. But in the ultimate sense, God
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is the ultimate value and the ultimate meaning, and we only
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experience the fullest joy and peace through him.
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And he's a good father. So even if we lose certain of
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these things in this world, he's going to have the best for us in
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eternity. But we got to go through, go to
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him. We have to trust him for.
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It well, I think that's even why the scriptures go back to like
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we need an eternal perspective and that's just hard to have in
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a very temporal world, right like we do we need to have.
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I remember I was just, I was talking to a friend a few days
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ago and she's like, I'm so scared of death.
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And I said there was actually a St.
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That said, remember thy death like every day.
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Memento Mori, yeah. Like this is real, like we don't
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know how long. And, and so if my, my very being
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is rooted in my sexuality and and nobody likes me or then who
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am I? And, and we're created.
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That's the thing. We're created to be seen, known,
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loved, chosen, desired and pursued.
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God gave us those desires and he wants to fill those desires with
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himself. I but I say this too, not just
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about the LGBT community. I think it's the human race in
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general. I see so many of my friends that
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are married and I've heard someone say, Oh my gosh, I would
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die if I lost my husband. My life would crumble if one of
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my kids went out of the church or or if I never got to see
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them. So you're so it's idols, Idols
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and anything can be an idol. That's even the things.
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Even the created good things, yeah.
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So what do you say to people that express maybe they're
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listening? Like, yeah, I agree with your
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you in theory and kind of what you're saying here, but I don't
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think that acting out on same sex attraction or any sort of
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attractions outside of the rubric of marriage, man, woman,
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lifelong, open to life marriage, Right.
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So the, the Catholic Church isn't just saying, oh, gays
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can't have sex. They're saying no one can have
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sex or do anything sexual unless it's with their spouse that
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they're married to for life and open to life with.
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And that's that's pretty exclusive, not just for people
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who consider themselves straight or bi or gay, but also for
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people who consider themselves straight.
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What do you think? How do we communicate or how how
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would you explain this to someone who says, OK, I'm with
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you, OK, sure, monogamy, OK, I'm even with you on the monogamy
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thing. But.
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Why is it wrong to have a relationship with someone of the
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same sex? So I think it goes back to who's
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God, right? See, I have AI have a problem
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when people are like, well, you can't say what sin is.
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Well, actually we can. We can because God said it.
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So I'm actually, I'm not saying what is and what isn't sin.
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I'm repeating what God has said is or what isn't sin, you know,
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And so I think for me, a lot of times when it, when it comes to
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that, we have, we have to be sensitive to make sure we're not
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just kind of selecting which sins to talk about.
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Because see, even as a church, we talk a lot about homosexual
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sin and this that, But are we talking a lot about the sin of
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contraceptives? Are we talking about, you know,
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that I, I remember I got on a call with, with a, a young
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woman, just amazing young girl. She considers herself, you know,
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a believer in Jesus and she doesn't call herself Christian
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because she said they're, they're two faced.
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They're they say one thing and they're living another.
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And I said, what's going on? She said, well, I'm gay.
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And I said, OK, so let's, let's talk.
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And we kept talking and, and she said, you know, why do you have
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a problem with homosexuality? Why?
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Why do you think it's sin? I said, because we're not open.
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Even if I'm open to life to happen, it can't happen because
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it's out of God's order. So yes, I might be open to life
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naturally with my partner, who's a female, but God would have to
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go against his own design. He did that once, and that was
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to bring the Savior of the world, right?
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He's not going to do it again through me.
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And so in that, God's not going to go against his own design to
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bring life, even if I'm open and she's open.
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And so the what? Did they say, well, you can use
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technology? People, that's not natural.
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Now we're not. And that's where let's just stay
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within design. And I said, but you need to, you
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need to hear me loud and clear. I have just as much of a problem
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with a male and female who are married in the church and are
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not open to life. Right, because it's the same
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thing. It's rendering the sexual act
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sterile. And so whether that's between
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two women who have a sterile sexual act period, because it's
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not open to life, it can't bring life or people that are
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intentionally doing it. Now somebody might say play
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devil's advocate and say, well, what about a couple that has
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infertility? OK, now there's certain things
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that you can't. Are you still open to life?
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Did you make yourself infertile right now Some could say, well,
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I used to be on, you know, birth controls and things and now it's
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affecting my body. Well, if you're asking the Lord
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and you're doing what you can to.
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To heal to. Heal and for the Lord to heal
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you then it's in his hands right?
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But that's not God going out of his own natural order and
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design. 2 females in in history naturally have never had a baby
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to males. Natural born males have never
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had a baby without humans getting involved, right.
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And so we just have to, we've got to kind of trail back.
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But I will say this, this young woman, I love her so much, but
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she said thank you. I said what?
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She said, I've never met a Christian.
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I've never met a Christian that has stood ground across the
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board. She said usually they're really
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willing to stand homosexuality, but they won't touch it when it
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comes to their own stuff. And I was like, girl, I'm sorry
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but. Or, or I've seen among and
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someone, I would say kind of in the faith-based world, it's a
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kind of Protestant evangelical space.
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There is some I come, I mean, red pill is a strong word, but
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there's this sort of ideology about sex where anything goes in
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marriage. As long as you're married, you
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can do whatever you want. And then usually it's very much
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male centric in terms of woman, just please your husband, period
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and whatever you want, whatever he wants you do.
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And that's also not the Christian vision.
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That's not the natural order, even because.
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That's not the love of the church.
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That's not the love. Of the church because there's a
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design for chastity and chastity at its core is self gift and
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seeing the other person as a gift and being willing to lay
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down your life for that other person.
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And that that's including in sex like you want to be focused on
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the other person, not just your own pleasure.
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If it's all about you and your own pleasure, you're
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objectifying your own spouse. And unfortunately, I think that
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can infiltrate even Christian marriage, as if you're
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objectifying your own spouse instead of seeing them as a
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whole person that you want to love and serve and.
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And I think we're, we're hurting a big group of people or those
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who do struggle or embrace race, homosexuality, that we're
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talking all about the sins within their sexual struggles,
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but not within heterosexual struggles.
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And it, and it's just wrong. It's wrong in God's eyes, too.
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I mean, we look through Romans, He goes through a whole list of
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sexual sins, of drunkardness, of gossip, right?
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Like all these things. But yet we're like, oh, well,
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yeah, those are normalized. Well, guess what?
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The world's trying to normalize every other sin too.
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We're not we're not going from the standard of the world,
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right? We have to get back and, and one
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thing I did bring up with her, and it wasn't to win a point.
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It was to express God's heart. I said, what's sex for?
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What is the purpose of sex? We have to get back to that.
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What is it is to reproduce. It's to be fruitful and
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multiply. And because God is so good, He's
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like, and I'm going to make it pleasurable, right?
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And that's bonding for the people that are the parents of
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the new life, potentially. But it wasn't just for bonding,
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right? It wasn't just for bonding.
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There's, there's a both. And and so when we remove the
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openness to life, we've actually changed the equation that God
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put out for us. I mean, and you, you're talking
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about this all around every day. No, but I like to hear you
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talking about it. Yeah.
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But it but I mean no like. We're now.
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Seeing children as a consequence, yeah, no, that was
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the whole purpose. It was to be fruitful and
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multiply and connect. That's why the language of
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unexpected pregnancy, unplanned pregnancy, accidental only got
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pregnant like it it worked. Yeah, yeah.
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It's a beautiful and, and we imagine a society where when a
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child is conceived, there's celebration across the board,
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maybe some stress because it's, you know, multiple other kids
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and, you know, pregnancy cannot. It's not always easy, obviously.
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And this is a big responsibility and a sacred one.
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But we know that life is about the most meaningful things,
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which is relationship and love. And so we celebrate a new life
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instead of looking down on a new life.
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And look at how that would hit identity when you as a little
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one are celebrated from the womb, out of the womb.
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Growing up man, do you start to feel loved and seen and known
20:23
even though life is hard, even though life had to change, you
20:27
know. But like now, that little human
20:30
is celebrated from the womb on. Their identity is even being
20:33
affirmed even inside the womb. That's why you know, when we and
20:38
I've had girls reach out to me over the years saying, oh, I'm
20:40
pregnant, what do I do? What do you say?
20:42
You know, DMS on Instagram or meeting girls and I always make
20:45
sure the first thing is congratulations, even though I
20:49
know if they're in a place of stress and fear.
20:51
Because then the next thing is like, I know you're, you may be
20:53
struggling right now. Like I want to help you and
20:55
support you, but we never should lose sight of this is a gift.
20:59
This is a gift and God has a plan for you.
21:02
And for that little. And for that little.
21:04
Only he brings life and and I think when we lose sight of
21:08
that, we're going to lose sight of sexuality because right now
21:13
if, if baby isn't the gift, then sex now what's sex, right?
21:19
So it just starts to pull the thread of what God has has
21:22
designed. And so I think I some people are
21:25
like Kim, that doesn't that doesn't correlate.
21:27
No, it does. It does because sex is not just
21:30
for pleasure. Sex is not just for connecting.
21:34
It is for procreation. When God brings it, your job is
21:37
just to be open to it. So and marriage is also not just
21:41
for pleasure and it's also not just for connecting, it's for a
21:44
project of we're going to grow together and serve God and
21:47
others and get to heaven and hopefully, if it's his will,
21:50
bring other souls along with us. Yep.
21:53
It's always about more than just me and my immediate feelings and
21:56
my pleasure and my immediate desires.
21:58
But our world is not so others focused, right, myself included,
22:03
myself included. So I mean, but, but, so I think
22:05
that's this is a big picture. This is what we're working on.
22:09
OK, so thank you. That was beautifully shared and
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so boldly beloved. We're going to link it.
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Is there a website? So yeah, I'm.
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So excited about it. It's so needed.
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Your voice is so needed. Kim.
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I just. I love you and I love what
22:20
you're doing. We're going to talk about a few
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stories that are in the news right now and get your
22:25
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So obviously there was the Olympics opening ceremony, so
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we're going to watch a little bit of a clip from there.
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Which I've never seen. You haven't seen.
23:41
OK, there's time. Let me see if I can pull.
23:42
This also featured in the Olympics performance and the
23:44
meeting. So one thing I know there was a
23:53
lot of pushback by people saying, and I even posted about
23:56
this when this came out and I was like, you know, this is so
23:58
this is so sad, quite frankly. And they were pushed back
24:01
saying, well, it wasn't actually trying to depict the Last
24:03
Supper. You're taking this too
24:04
seriously. This is about like the Greek
24:06
festival, Dionysus and like the, the, the, you know, the festival
24:09
of wine and fertility and something.
24:11
But then you go to the lead performers Instagram account,
24:14
she's like, I was Jesus. And like, you know, they knew
24:16
this was the Last Supper scene that they were mocking, like
24:19
they knew the, the, the, the entertainers involved.
24:22
And then actually the Olympic ceremony ended up doing some
24:25
sort of a kind of a light lightweight apology about it.
24:28
But very lightweight, yeah. What do you think?
24:30
It breaks my heart, honestly, what I see when when I see that
24:35
as I see a group of people that don't know the Lord, I know,
24:39
because if you know, if you know and you've encountered Jesus,
24:43
you wouldn't have sat at that table.
24:45
And so to me, what what I see is I see hurting people.
24:48
Now I'm not saying there's not agenda.
24:50
Satan is at work, but he uses people.
24:53
He uses people. And So what I see when I see
24:56
that is people who don't really know Jesus, they might have gone
25:00
to church here and there. They might have even been raised
25:03
Christian. Maybe they weren't.
25:05
But I believe when you have a real encounter with Jesus and
25:08
you really meet him and you experience his love for you in a
25:12
really tangible way, you wouldn't do things like that.
25:16
And so honestly, I feel God putting it back even to me of
25:21
Kim, will you make sure that you do a really good job, please, of
25:25
representing me in this world? Because if we can do that as
25:29
Christians and don't change his truth, because that's not a real
25:33
representation, but if we can represent him well in this
25:35
world, I think we're going to see a lot less of that.
25:37
Evil's always going to exist, right?
25:40
But that breaks my heart. These are, I mean, these are
25:42
people's sons and daughters, you know?
25:45
What do you do when people say, well, the way you're
25:48
representing is hurting me because it's it's discrediting
25:51
my identity because I think this is so tough, right?
25:53
Because if someone says my identity is gay by whatever any
25:58
number of of labels, right, And you say, well, that's not your
26:02
true identity. You're so much more to your
26:04
identity like that. And, and, and these these acts
26:07
or this lifestyle is not going to bring you the peace and the
26:10
joy that I want for you. But they see that as an
26:11
existential threat of discounting who they are because
26:15
they believe that that is who they are.
26:16
Yeah, I mean that as well. Makes me sad because I'm like,
26:18
they're so set in the sand that this or in the cement rather,
26:22
that this is who they are, that you can't even offer something
26:25
more right? And, and to be honest, OK, if
26:29
you are upset with me, tune me out.
26:32
If you're upset with me, walk away.
26:35
I'm not going to chase you. I want to share the goodness of
26:38
what I've what I've found, who I've found and how he's given me
26:41
life and continues to and how he showed me I'm more than my
26:45
sexuality. I'm more than my desires.
26:46
I'm more than what I do. I want that for you.
26:49
But the reality is Jesus, when he walked the earth, he didn't
26:52
force people. He never forced anyone and evil
26:55
still existed and he continued to give his life.
26:59
He let people spit at him, mock him, right beat him and he's the
27:03
he died for them. And so I'm like, OK, Lord, help
27:07
me please. If if some I had a woman once
27:11
she just was kind of trying to RIP me a new one.
27:13
And I said you are choosing to talk to me.
27:17
She was upset about your ministry.
27:19
Just me? Yeah, Just as a human.
27:20
Being. She had.
27:21
She must have heard a clip or something out there.
27:24
I don't think she listened to a whole interview.
27:25
Meaning she didn't agree with your your position of I used to
27:30
live the lesbian lifestyle now not like she she that offended
27:32
her. It offended her.
27:34
She thought I was hateful and I said listen, you have every
27:37
right to hate me. Just get to know me first, then
27:40
hate me, but you don't know me. Like, let's get coffee.
27:43
Let's like. For real.
27:44
Like, let's just talk. And and did she do it?
27:47
She was open. How do you do that with a
27:49
stranger in your DMS on Instagram?
27:51
Well, that's a little different. I think you, you what?
27:53
We have to use discernment too. Of course, you can kind of tell
27:55
when someone's just attacking. Oh, look, I had a Satanist reach
27:58
out to me and just, I mean, this e-mail, I've never gotten
28:01
something like it. I won't get into all the detail,
28:03
but I prayed, I said, Lord, what do you want to say?
28:05
And he just showed me the brokenness of this, of this
28:07
young woman. And I just wrote back, I'm so
28:10
sorry that you've been so hurt. And she wrote me.
28:13
We went back and forth. She ended up, Long story short,
28:16
she ended up knitting me a beanie.
28:18
She found my nonprofit's address.
28:20
She actually came back into the Catholic Church.
28:23
I got her set up with an exorcist.
28:25
Yeah, it's amazing. Like, but that's not but.
28:28
But see, I could have been like. Have you shared that story
28:30
before I. She actually just messaged me
28:34
the other day. She's like, Kim, I really missed
28:36
you. I'm like, Oh my gosh, I wish I
28:37
could go back. And I say.
28:38
Pause for one second, because that's just such an encouraging
28:41
story and I love, I love it. So she.
28:44
Was desecrating the Eucharist she would go into church, take
28:47
the Eucharist and go do these demonic things at her house and.
28:50
Yeah, and she wrote you the e-mail.
28:52
She struggled with same sex attraction.
28:53
When she wrote you the e-mail, she was She was mad at you in
28:56
the first e-mail. Yeah, she hated me and she hated
28:59
anything to do with anything that I was saying.
29:02
But she took the time to e-mail you, and you saw that as an open
29:05
door. So that was my thing.
29:07
I'm like, you know what? There's probably tons of people
29:09
that hate me, but they don't reach out.
29:11
I love when someone hates thinks they hate me and they at least
29:15
reach out because at least they're saying I hate you and
29:18
I'm at least going to tell you. So now you're communicating to
29:21
some degree. My next thing is, Hey, can can
29:24
you get to know me and can I get to know you too?
29:26
This isn't just a one way St. like we we have to be just as
29:29
much as I'm going to talk, I have to be able to listen to
29:33
that doesn't mean I have to agree.
29:34
That doesn't mean I have to take on your, you know, ideologies or
29:38
your morals, but can I listen? I have to ask when?
29:42
When this satanist, now an ex satanist thanks be to God, was
29:46
emailing Catholic? No.
29:48
Did she want to come on the show?
29:50
I could ask. Ask her.
29:52
You say I already gave you your debut.
29:53
I talked about you. You've been highlighted.
29:55
Yeah, totally. So did when you were emailing
29:57
with her. I mean, you loved her, you you
30:01
prayed for her, you try to see her the way God sees her, and
30:04
I'm sure that influenced your communication with her.
30:07
But yeah, Kim, in my own flesh, without, I was like, Lord, give
30:10
me your heart for this woman. You have to.
30:13
Maybe it's sort of like a capacity question.
30:15
How much time did you spend communicating with her?
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communicating with her? I tried to balance.
32:14
I also set boundaries, but you have to remember I'm kind of a
32:17
free agent for the Lord. I'm not married, I don't have
32:19
children. I have a ministry in Ethiopia,
32:21
but praise God, I have a team that runs that.
32:23
And so my time I don't see as my own.
32:26
So if the Lord wakes me up at 3:00 in the morning, and he did,
32:30
I woke up, he woke me up at 3:00 AM, He said check your e-mail.
32:33
And I checked it and it had just come in.
32:35
Yeah. And this has happened more than
32:36
once, so. So she had just emailed you at
32:39
3:00 AM. God told you to wake up.
32:41
You woke up. You got this e-mail from the
32:42
next Satanist. She's full of hatred.
32:44
You wrote her back. I'm sorry you've been so hurt.
32:45
At what point was there a turn? It was probably 4 emails back
32:50
and forth in the course of 30-40 minutes because it was, it was
32:53
more like, oh. You were emailing back.
32:54
Back where? She just had sent it but.
32:56
You guys sent multiple emails in within a 30 minute time for
32:59
thread. So you're emailing at night and
33:01
she's like middle of the morning and she's like starting her
33:03
conversion at night. Like well, when did she start to
33:05
turn? Like when?
33:06
Oh, it took. It took some time.
33:08
I walked with her, I walked with her.
33:10
I felt like the Lord and I had to really ask like Lord, is this
33:12
do I kind of and I involved another person asked if she
33:15
could walk a little more closely with her.
33:17
Did you have to go through exorcism?
33:19
Got her with an exorcist priest. She went through some
33:22
counseling. She's just been incredibly hurt.
33:25
I mean, when I started to hear, once the walls came down and she
33:28
started to share her story, it broke my heart.
33:31
I'm like, I probably would have been a Satanist too.
33:33
Like, see, sometimes it's it's so easy.
33:36
It is so easy to judge someone's actions and and we're supposed
33:40
to judge action, but what we're not supposed to do is judge the
33:44
action and in the same time judge that person.
33:46
There's a difference between what a person is doing and who
33:50
they are, who they are. God created what they're doing.
33:53
God probably didn't bless right? But there is a difference.
33:56
And so I was able to see this is wrong, but that doesn't mean she
33:59
is. And what God showed me is a lot
34:02
of times bad fruit comes because there's a really rottener or
34:07
hurt broken root, right? And and as she began to share
34:12
her life over the course of maybe two months, she started to
34:15
open up of what she's been through.
34:17
I was like, Oh my gosh. And my dad actually used to say
34:20
this when I was growing up. I was like, Dad, you would
34:22
never, you know, kill someone. Dad, you would never do this.
34:24
He's like, Kim, never say never. And I said, what do you mean?
34:28
Dad? I know you wouldn't kill anyone.
34:29
He's like, I don't know what I would do in extreme situations,
34:33
Kim And so I never really understood that, but I feel like
34:36
the Lord's starting to unpack that for me.
34:37
Like, it doesn't justify what someone always does, right?
34:41
It doesn't at all. It doesn't give someone the
34:43
right, but man, does it open up a place of compassion.
34:46
I mean, the way she was treated, what she went through as a
34:48
child, all in the name of God. Yeah, I think you're going to
34:53
turn to another God. And when she was emailing you,
34:57
the reason you caught her eye was because of the same sex
34:59
attraction thing that she was struggling with, and she's
35:01
particularly hated your position on that it sounds like.
35:03
She hated my position on it. She hated that she, I mean,
35:07
there was so much hatred, but it was actually a lot of hatred
35:10
towards herself. See, sometimes when someone
35:13
hates me, they just see a little bit of themselves that they
35:16
don't like, and they put it on me and I just realized, by God's
35:20
grace, OK, yeah, they might just hate me.
35:22
And I'm like, that's OK. Like you're allowed to hate me.
35:25
I just don't want you to hate Jesus.
35:26
Meaning they see themselves in you, but you're free and you
35:29
they have you have something they don't have, but they.
35:32
They don't know maybe how to get it sometimes.
35:34
And they think you're trying to take it from them.
35:36
Yeah. It's almost like a little kid,
35:38
you know, I, I explained this and I'll, I'll be brief with it.
35:41
I was trying to RIP. I have a, a small Wiener dog.
35:44
The name's Scooter and he loves paper products he ate.
35:48
He loves when a wet paper towel falls on the ground and he gets
35:52
it in his little mouth, which is tiny.
35:54
He's 10 lbs. And he takes his balled up wet
35:56
paper towel and he tries to swallow it and I don't know why,
36:00
but he does. And I was trying to RIP it out
36:03
of his mouth because he's going to die if he tries to pass this
36:07
thing. So I'm trying to RIP it out.
36:08
He's biting at me. He turned into a little baby
36:11
lion. Like this thing.
36:12
He was biting me. He was vicious.
36:15
And I'm like, Scooter, you, this is not you.
36:17
And also I'm like, what do I do? I mean, I just let him swallow
36:20
it and die like, you know, sorry PETA, but like, I don't know
36:22
what to do here. And right way I was like, God,
36:25
what do I do? The Lord's like give him
36:27
something better. I was like, Scooter jerky loves
36:30
beef jerky. And so I was like, and he like
36:33
tweaked his head and looked at me and the Lord's like, get the
36:37
jerky, give him the jerky. And I was like, Oh my gosh, yes.
36:39
So I ran in the kitchen, grabbed jerky, threw it on the ground.
36:41
Guess what he did? Puked up that paper towel and he
36:45
ate the jerky. And then he just looked at me
36:47
and he wanted more jerky. It's a weird analogy, but it
36:50
really happened. And God showed me we sometimes
36:55
try to RIP things from people's mouths from their lives, like
36:59
give me your sex, right? Give me your whatever.
37:01
Give me this, you know, and I'm going to give you something
37:04
better instead of just saying like, Hey, here's something
37:07
better. And I'm not just going to tell
37:08
you about this something. I'm going to actually carry this
37:11
something in front of you. And it needs to become
37:14
experiential. When people start experiencing
37:17
Jesus, experiencing hear about him and then experience him,
37:21
it's pretty amazing what will stop start to drop out of our
37:24
mouths and out of our life. And I think that that approach
37:28
in my life is how God's worked with me is he's given himself to
37:32
me and I've started to experience him.
37:34
And I'm, I'm watching, I'm not dating women anymore, not
37:37
because I'm afraid of hell. Hell's real.
37:40
It's absolutely real. And, and I don't believe God
37:42
sends us to hell. I believe we either choose him
37:44
here on earth or we don't. And if we're not going to choose
37:46
him here on earth, why do we want to be with him for
37:48
eternity? If he's not good enough for now,
37:51
why is he good enough for eternity?
37:53
And so we actually just reject him, right?
37:55
And so we reject heaven, we reject Jesus and we reject all
37:58
that he has for us. And so in that, but when
38:00
somebody experiences them now, it's amazing what we'll start to
38:05
lay down. I am not dating women because
38:07
I'm, I've tasted and seen a better love, a deeper love, the
38:12
love that my own little soul actually has been longing for
38:15
since since I was born. And so I think sometimes people
38:19
are upset because you're trying to take the only love.
38:22
They know this is the love they have.
38:25
This is what they're holding onto.
38:27
And, and so the approach that I try to take is I'm not trying to
38:30
take anything from you. Can you try this?
38:34
Can you, can you try? Can you experience this?
38:37
And some may reject and that's OK.
38:39
I'm not going to jam it in their mouth.
38:41
And then there's some that say, OK, I'm willing.
38:44
That young woman was someone who was willing to give Jesus a try
38:49
again, to give him a try again, because the way she was raised
38:53
was not truly him. It's so, it's so beautiful, Kim.
38:59
I mean, it makes me think of this guy that I was talking to a
39:01
few years ago in Los Angeles and he was involved.
39:04
He was in entertainment and he was involved in, he had moved to
39:07
LA for the gay community basically, or LGBTQ.
39:10
I think he considered himself queer.
39:12
But I remember him talking about how he had found people that he
39:15
could just be with and before he was no one he could just be
39:19
with. And he spoke with such
39:21
tenderness about people that he could just be himself with and
39:24
have fun with and get to be into makeup and entertainment, all
39:27
the things he was into. And, you know, obviously we were
39:30
talking about faith and sexuality, but I wanted to, you
39:35
know, what community could I give him?
39:36
Right? You know, like I couldn't in
39:38
that moment, give him community. I could just talk to him.
39:40
But I mean that that could be a little tiny piece of it.
39:43
But you know, he, he needed a family, he needed love, he
39:45
needed support system. So I think, you know, the, the
39:48
power in a, in a way of the LGBTQ plus a you know, I
39:52
whatever identity ideology, everything is that it does
39:55
involve a community. And and they, they, they had
39:59
said this is your label and you belong.
40:01
You have a seat at the table. And that's why it's so stinking
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attributive to so many people. Literally seat at the table.
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Look at that full circle. Where is the church today?
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Where does the church have a seat at the table for these
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people who struggle with whatever?
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Well, I think. That means celebrate the
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lifestyle. That's where Pope Francis, I
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think, has been so controversial, but he's trying
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to do that. And again, I, you know, I, I'm
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sure there's tons of opinions in the comments section.
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You guys already, you know, we ought to, I mean, as a Catholic,
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I respect the Holy Father, pray for him every single day.
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It's our job. He's our father.
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He's not perfect and he no one's perfect, but he has not changed
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the faith or morals of our, you know, the the teaching of our.
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Church and in the recent. Document but I think some of the
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things that he's done is trying, trying to create spaces.
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And I'm not saying for it's for better or for worse.
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I think there's, you know, you could argue maybe the jury's out
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on his particular approach because he wants to he knows
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that this is one of the prevailing ideologies today that
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is seizing the a generation of people who think this is how
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they belong. This is how they identify.
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This is how they exist. So here's the sad part.
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When you enter the LGBT community, you are welcome, you
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belong. All of that.
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You no longer agree and you're out.
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See the church. You're bigot actually, and you
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threaten their very existence by denying the ideology.
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So it's very vicious when you when you're out.
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And we sometimes as a church can look like that too.
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I think we can learn a lot. Now, again, there's there's the
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difference. We can learn about wow, all are
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welcome and all are supposed to be welcome at church.
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Does that mean we welcome everything the human being does?
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No, not in you, not in me, and not in them, Right.
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And we're supposed to love each other into wholeness.
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We're supposed to lovingly correct each other and draw each
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other higher. But where are we maybe not doing
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that? One of the movies that I feel
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depicts this so well, and I, I don't think we talked about it
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last time, was Jesus Revolution. In that movie.
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It was a group of people that I believe today is kind of the
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modern. Day actor of that film.
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Jonathan Rumi, I think it was, yes.
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So he did. He did pretty good in that film,
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right? I mean, I haven't seen it yet,
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but I've heard phenomenal. Yeah, OK.
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Yes, he did a great job and I knew about Lonnie Frisbee, the
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character he played before this movie came out.
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And so he nailed it. Good job, Jonathan.
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So in that the but this group of people were outcast.
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They were the hippies. They were like, you know, and
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then Lonnie Frisbee had an encounter with Jesus and then he
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started to seek after Jesus and then all his hippie friends
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wanted to come. Guess what church wasn't so
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welcoming. They smelt they weren't wearing
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shoes. They some of them were still
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coming off their high. It's a phenomenal movie.
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I think we need to watch it because I think it is.
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Honestly, I think it's a little bit of God's grace to say, Hey,
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watch this because there's another group of people that
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don't feel like they fit in, that are lost, that are broken,
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that are seeking. And is the church open?
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And then how do we, how do we walk with each other in our
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brokenness to Christ and with Christ?
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And I do believe the LGBT, LGBT community right now is kind of
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the modern day hippies that is looking for home.
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They're looking for home. And we know that there was one
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home and it is an eternal 1. And God wants them.
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God wants them. And, and when they experience,
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when people experience the goodness of God, we let go of
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the less than good, and we let go of the less than loves
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because we found something greater.
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It's so beautiful, Kim. It's very I I want to keep
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talking, but I think we need to let her go, right?
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Because it's we were going to watch the that we're going to
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have to come back on the show. Kim, it's 337.
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Yeah, we got to do this again, Kim, because we only got through
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one news story. We're going to.
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We're going. To do it again, I know you're in
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Dallas, but you know. I love California.
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I get to. Come back and we'll do this
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again and again, but thank you, thanks for being open and thanks
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for listening so intently for God's voice.
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One last thing, what's what's your best advice for people to
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be able to hear God's voice the way that you hear his voice?
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Let him love you. Don't.
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Don't try to. I just said this to a sister
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yesterday. I said God speaks a lot.
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Don't try to complete his sentences.
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He speaks a lot. But see, I think sometimes we
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try to figure out what he's trying to say.
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Just let him keep speaking because what it's doing is it's
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actually growing your trust. It's growing your relationship
44:18
with him. Like, I have these new feelings
44:20
in my heart starting to to form that I never had before towards
44:24
men. And I'm like, Oh my gosh, now he
44:26
wants me married guys, like, hold on, I'm not done talking.
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Do you trust me? I'm like, yeah, yeah, you speak.
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And so just like trust that he wants to talk to you.
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He loves you, he sees you, he knows you, He created you.
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Like he wants to commune with you.
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And, and, and if it doesn't line up with his word, you kind of
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have to know his word so that you know, like, oh, well, that
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really was him. Doesn't mean he's speaking you
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like just in Psalms, right? But when, when I hear from the
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Lord and I also know his word, I'm like, well, that didn't
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really align with his word. So that must not be him, you
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know. So we we do have to know his
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word because then when he's speaking kind of freelance, it's
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going to be in line because he's an unchanging God.
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And so, yeah, but he wants to speak.
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Thank you friend. Yeah, you're the best.
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