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The Gospel of Chocolate · The Steve Harvey Morning Show

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Speaker 1: How did you sleep? First nights are always at the heart.
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Speaker 1: That's good, that's a truthful answer. It's an early February
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Speaker 1: morning on the banks of the Jervois River in Brazil,
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Speaker 1: not far from the Peruvian border. I'm with Louise Abram
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Speaker 1: and her dad Andre, and we're here on a simple mission, really,
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Speaker 1: just try and save the most fragrant chocolate on earth
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Speaker 1: from total extinction. We just arrived last night, after a
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Speaker 1: full day of travel by planes and small boat, and
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Speaker 1: after a rough night in a basic hut. We're moving
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Speaker 1: a little slow as we take stock of the situation.
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Speaker 1: The story of this mission goes back a few years.
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Speaker 1: Luisa had just dialed in her technique for producing great
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Speaker 1: chocolate from wild cacao beans when a nonprofit called s
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Speaker 1: O s Amazonia that works to protect the Amazon It's
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Speaker 1: people came to her with a plea. They had just
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Speaker 1: found cocao growing along the banks of the Jeroa River
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Speaker 1: in a pristine area where the people had almost no
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Speaker 1: source of income. Would she considered working with them? No
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Speaker 1: one had ever tried making chocolate with this cacao, so
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Speaker 1: of course she couldn't resist. She flew north clear across
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Speaker 1: Brazil and checked out the trees. The pods were tiny
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Speaker 1: with deep ridges, the seeds inside were really smaller, and
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Speaker 1: when I saw it, I was just like, I think
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Speaker 1: we found something different here. Because it was just so unique.
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Speaker 1: They collected samples and rushed them off to the U.
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Speaker 1: S d A for analysis, and scientists couldn't get back
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Speaker 1: to them fast enough. They were like, oh, this is
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Speaker 1: a new thing, you know, like you guys really found different,
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Speaker 1: not just a new thing, but a wildly new thing
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Speaker 1: in geography, genetics, and flavor was on a different plane
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Speaker 1: it every other cacao here in this forgotten tributary of
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Speaker 1: the Amazon, they had struck gold. It was just so
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Speaker 1: mesmerized by it. I wanted to show every word this
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Speaker 1: Judaha is something else. It's it's a floral bouquet. I
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Speaker 1: don't love it. One of the first to get his
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Speaker 1: taste foods on it was chocolate critic Mark Christian. It
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Speaker 1: was sort of like, yeah, bring this on, okay, Now
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Speaker 1: we're finding things, you know, We're find stuff. This is
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Speaker 1: what it's about, you know, rediscovery. And if Mark was entranced,
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Speaker 1: Matt Capuda was downright obsessed. It almost had this note
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Speaker 1: of perfume, things like annis sassafras, like almost jasmine blossom,
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Speaker 1: but also like tropical fruit notes like in one year,
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Speaker 1: I got samples from over four chocolate companies and I
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Speaker 1: have to evaluate them. You get kind of jaded. And
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Speaker 1: then to taste something like Louisa's judua that is just
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Speaker 1: completely singular, and it was just it was intoxicating in
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Speaker 1: a way. But the Jiuis River was so remote and
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Speaker 1: there were so few people to do the work that
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Speaker 1: was almost impossible to get the beans picked, fermented, and shipped.
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Speaker 1: But fortunately for Louisa, Matt Caputo became a champion of
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Speaker 1: the bar, buying the meager supply and building a cult
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Speaker 1: following for it in the US as a librarian of
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Speaker 1: disappearing in exotic flavors. This was exactly the kind of
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Speaker 1: masterpiece Matt wanted to keep alive. Then came epic flooding
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Speaker 1: on the Jeruis River. The people were just scrambling for
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Speaker 1: survival and there was no way to harvest. And as
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Speaker 1: if that wasn't bad enough, then COVID struck and the
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Speaker 1: specialty chocolate market tanked. Louise's dream was now on life support.
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Speaker 1: The family had to make a decision, and in pat
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Speaker 1: received a long email from Louise's father Andre. Their chocolate
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Speaker 1: sales were taking a beating. They were leveraged with some
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Speaker 1: loans and had big time financial struggles fighting for survival.
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Speaker 1: They had to drop any project that was losing money,
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Speaker 1: and that meant they had to give up on Gera.
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Speaker 1: It was just too expensive, too hard, and so they
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Speaker 1: had to let their biggest cheerleader down. My heart just
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Speaker 1: sank and I felt like I got punched in the gut.
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Speaker 1: They felt like, these goals that we have, no matter
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Speaker 1: how hard we push, we there's just too many pressures
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Speaker 1: that we can't control, and we're doomed to fail. What
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Speaker 1: are we going to do? We're just a deli insult
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Speaker 1: like we're going to change the whole food system, you know.
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Speaker 1: It feels like we're tilting at windmills. Louise's little venture
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Speaker 1: seemed destined to fail, and yet here I am two
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Speaker 1: years later, in the heart of the Amazon, watching her
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Speaker 1: take the fight to those windmills. What are your other
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Speaker 1: plans for the day, Well, I have a cup of
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Speaker 1: coffee from the little porch of our hut. Would in
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Speaker 1: our coffee and peer out at the world before us
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Speaker 1: a sliver of ground between the river and the swamp.
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Speaker 1: Pigs and chickens weave between banana trees and wander under huts,
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Speaker 1: harassed by an old dog a few yards away. The
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Speaker 1: river swollen with storm water, a milk chocolate monster churning
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Speaker 1: with gigantic trees and root balls and drising every day,
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Speaker 1: and that means we only have a few days to
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Speaker 1: pull off a miracle. Louisa is here to show face
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Speaker 1: established connections, teach a fermentation workshop, and convince the homesteaders
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Speaker 1: that wild Coco could be a great part of their future,
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Speaker 1: because there's another version of their future that's full of
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Speaker 1: chainsaws and cattle ranches, which is true throughout the Amazon,
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Speaker 1: and Louisa is trying to do her small part to
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Speaker 1: head that off. The good news there are four two
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Speaker 1: freshly picked pods waiting for us to use in the workshop.
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Speaker 1: The family spent all day picking yesterday, so they're at
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Speaker 1: least curious. But the bad news is that we have
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Speaker 1: to get the beans for menut and dry before water
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Speaker 1: swamps everything. It's going to be a high wire act
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Speaker 1: in this part of the Amazon. The accommodations tend to
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Speaker 1: be spartan, We're staying at the homestead of a guy
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Speaker 1: named Zay. He's a strong, wiry guy in his forties
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Speaker 1: and shorts and bare feet like most rebering Yo's, as
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Speaker 1: river dwellers are called in Brazil. He has no electricity
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Speaker 1: or out house. The only drinking water is whatever gets
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Speaker 1: caught off the roof, and the only bathing is to
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Speaker 1: stand in the muddy swamp behind the lot and scoop
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Speaker 1: pots some water over your head. Say warns us that
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Speaker 1: anytime you're standing in the swamp, watch out for portaque
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Speaker 1: giant electric eels. That's not encouraging, but he also says
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Speaker 1: that when the moon is full, a goddess rises out
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Speaker 1: of the river and the river dolphins dance around her.
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Speaker 1: So I chalk it up to Amazonian superstitions until Okay,
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Speaker 1: they apparently just caught an electric eel. So he's taking
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Speaker 1: me down to the river. Let stick look at it.
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Speaker 1: I'd actually heard that there were electric geels in the Amazon,
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Speaker 1: but for some reason in my head I pictured tiny
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Speaker 1: things like maybe a foot long. Instead. Oh my god,
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Speaker 1: it's a river minster. I am so not swimming in
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Speaker 1: the river anymore. Holy Moly, he's got a tape measure out.
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Speaker 1: It's like a seven foot sandworm, as thick as a
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Speaker 1: ship cable, a huge mountain. Andre and Louisa are right
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Speaker 1: on my heels. This is so huge. Have you ever
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Speaker 1: seen one like this? This is huge? Ter forget the
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Speaker 1: piranhas the crocodiles piannacondas, because eight points to the beast
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Speaker 1: and says this is the most dangerous animal in the
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Speaker 1: small It's even shocked by the when did it feel
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Speaker 1: like costin Greek? Yeah, you can make a good but
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Speaker 1: then the white point. Yeah, if you don't take a
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Speaker 1: person out of the water, the poor k going on
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Speaker 1: top over the chest and specificly chest, Gonna give you
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Speaker 1: another another electric chocolate? Really finished? God? Yeah? So apparently
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Speaker 1: these eels like to pile on your chest like linebackers
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Speaker 1: electric linebackers, and they like to hunt in packs. So
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Speaker 1: whatever we managed to get accomplished this week, it's not
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Speaker 1: going to include bathing from Kaleidoscope and I Hard podcasts.
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Speaker 1: This is Obsessions wild Chocolate. I'm rowing Jake's chapter six,
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Speaker 1: The Gospel Chocolate. One by one, we hear the pucka
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Speaker 1: pucka of tiny outboards approaching, and soon we're joined by
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Speaker 1: about a dozen reburying yves. Louisa is psyched. She and
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Speaker 1: Andre sent money in advance to pay for harvesting and
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Speaker 1: for the construction of a new fermentation shed. The reburying
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Speaker 1: yeves have been living off the grid for generations. Say
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Speaker 1: his parents came here from eastern Brazil during one of
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Speaker 1: the rubber booms, tapping wild rubber trees for the latex sap.
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Speaker 1: Once the rubber busts followed, they stayed living off the land.
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Speaker 1: They grow their own food, build their own shacks, and
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Speaker 1: make a little cash by fishing and gathering murumuru, a
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Speaker 1: local palm nut that's rich in kisomnic oils. They like
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Speaker 1: to keep things Simplecao would be a lot more responsibility
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Speaker 1: with the fermenting and drying, and so far they're not
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Speaker 1: convinced it's worth the effort. Yes, they picked and delivered
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Speaker 1: these pods yesterday, and yes a few have shown up
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Speaker 1: for the workshop to meet Louisa, but they're skeptical. And
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Speaker 1: let's be honest, there's one real reason why these families
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Speaker 1: that put their daily lives on hold, why they spent
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Speaker 1: the day before slogging through the wet jungle picking pods.
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Speaker 1: Why there's a brand new shed in the middle of
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Speaker 1: Day's compound, piled with little golden footballs, and that reason
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Speaker 1: is cash in. When floods and COVID forced everyone to
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Speaker 1: pull back, Louisa and Andre took a different approach. We
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Speaker 1: almost gave up, almost, But then Matt was the one
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Speaker 1: that was like, no, you can't totalize. Just too good,
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Speaker 1: it's just just special, Like I'm just going to help you, guys,
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Speaker 1: just please don't give up. So the whole reason that
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Speaker 1: we kept on coming back, it was because of him.
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Speaker 1: Yes we're here. Because Matt Capooda fell so deeply in
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Speaker 1: love with Louise's Gerwabar that they couldn't let it go.
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Speaker 1: It was my favorite bar. And I thought to myself, like,
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Speaker 1: you know what, what if we prepaid them for the
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Speaker 1: next harvest? Now it was a crazy suggestion. Even if
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Speaker 1: the cash came through, the timeline was against them, and
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Speaker 1: Andrea is like, what are you talking about? It will
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Speaker 1: take like two years for you to get chocolate. Just
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Speaker 1: to be clear, the number of times that a retailer
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Speaker 1: offers to prepay a chocolate maker two years in advance
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Speaker 1: is uh, let me see here. Uh. Never. Usually producers
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Speaker 1: have to chase retailers for months to get paid. It
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Speaker 1: was the kind of risk sharing Vulker Lahman it soft
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Speaker 1: for years and never found it was such a crazy offer.
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Speaker 1: Andre didn't know what to think. He just kind of
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Speaker 1: dismissed it, like, that's not a possibility. I'm like, no,
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Speaker 1: no, no no, what if we were patient? What would it take?
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Speaker 1: And he was. He basically came back with like, well,
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Speaker 1: it would take seven thousand dollars. And I said to myself, like, well,
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Speaker 1: Carpudos isn't that big of a company. But at the
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Speaker 1: same time, seven thousand dollars to say, one of the
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Speaker 1: world's great foods and MCDA, Amazon more resilient. That just
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Speaker 1: couldn't get the idea out of his head. And I
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Speaker 1: was definitely did some soul searching as to whether it
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Speaker 1: was a good idea to send, you know, a good
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Speaker 1: chunk of money out the door. And I but I
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Speaker 1: talked to my wife about it and said, you know,
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Speaker 1: if it's at these times when you really see what
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Speaker 1: you stand for. We love these people, we believe in
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Speaker 1: our mission, and we had an opportunity and if we
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Speaker 1: didn't take it, even if it was going to be
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Speaker 1: a loss, if we didn't take it, then we're we
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Speaker 1: don't practice what we preach. Matt also did something else
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Speaker 1: you won't find in your business textbook. He said, I
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Speaker 1: want you to charge to be more for every bar.
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Speaker 1: That's right, raise my prices and then turn around and
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Speaker 1: pay the people more. Louis and Andre crunch the numbers
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Speaker 1: and decided that if they really to get there burinos
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Speaker 1: on board, they were going to have to pay eight
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Speaker 1: dollars for a kilo of dry coco, twice as much
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Speaker 1: as any other cocaw on the planet, and five times
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Speaker 1: where an African farmer gets. And with Matt's help, they
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Speaker 1: actually had the opportunity to do that. So they did,
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Speaker 1: and with that move, Louisa and Andre and Matt flipped
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Speaker 1: Big Chocolate's playbook on its head. Instead of selling cheap
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Speaker 1: chocolate to unknown customers and grinding farmers into poverty to
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Speaker 1: make the numbers work, they decided to pay their partners
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Speaker 1: well and count on consumers to care enough to buy it.
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Speaker 1: Will that work? We got our first inklings after the break.
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Speaker 1: Here's your chance to be one of those carrying consumers
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Speaker 1: who is the pouring the Amazon by eating this super rare,
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Speaker 1: super tasty chocolate We've teamed up with Louise Abram and
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Speaker 1: Stetler Chocolate to create a special tasting box with Jerwa
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Speaker 1: River Chocolate and two more of Louise's special creations. Go
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Speaker 1: to www dot Stetler dash Chocolate dot com to order
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Speaker 1: a box. Link in the show notes. Here's a fun fact.
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Speaker 1: There's a tiny fly in the Amazon called a plum
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Speaker 1: that everybody dreads from dawn to dust. The PM feast
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Speaker 1: on all exposed body parts and raise red welts that
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Speaker 1: it's like insanity itself and the worst spot in the
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Speaker 1: entire Amazon for pum. Yes, that's right, the Jeri River.
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Speaker 1: Even other hardcore Amazonians avoid the area because of the bugs.
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Speaker 1: But here we are swarms of pam shredding our necks
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Speaker 1: and ankles. As we all gather in the open sided
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Speaker 1: shed for the pod breaking workshop. It still smells a
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Speaker 1: fresh lumber. It's basically just a platform on stilts with
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Speaker 1: a roof overhead, but in the Amazon, roofs and stilts
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Speaker 1: are everything. There's a mix of men and women sitting
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Speaker 1: around the mountain of cacao pods in the middle. It
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Speaker 1: looks like smogs treasure pile. We grab wooden clubs and
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Speaker 1: start thumping pods. As Louisa walks us through it. The
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Speaker 1: pods break open with the satisfying pop, and we scooped
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Speaker 1: the slimy pulp and beans into buckets. Oh. Louisa directs
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Speaker 1: a lot of her teaching towards the women who have come,
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Speaker 1: and during a break, I asked why, I think paid
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Speaker 1: more attention. And also here in the Amazon, most of
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Speaker 1: the work and most of the income comes from the men.
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Speaker 1: So with this selection, we can make the how harvests
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Speaker 1: more I guess, um, what's the what's the name? More inclosive.
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Speaker 1: When the buckets are full, we poured the beans into
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Speaker 1: hip high wooden boxes. The boxes have holes in the
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Speaker 1: bottoms of the juice can drain now, and local bees
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Speaker 1: have already found it. Zay, our host, built these boxes
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Speaker 1: to Louise's exact specifications. But he's eyeing this whole scene skeptically.
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Speaker 1: He's never paid attention to a cow, never tasted chocolate
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Speaker 1: until Louisa brought her bars for everyone to try. And
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Speaker 1: Andre's impression is that he's going to need a lot
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Speaker 1: of convincing. I didn't feel he he was, you know,
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Speaker 1: troup confident that this thing would work, no plick put
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Speaker 1: or to be a hide. A little female fish that
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Speaker 1: was like, I don't know, you know this thing, we
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Speaker 1: will mess with my you know fish going to good
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Speaker 1: catches the river. This is what they're up against. It's
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Speaker 1: one thing to continue a how tradition that has lasted
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Speaker 1: for centuries. It's another to build one from scratch. Nobody
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Speaker 1: here has any romantic attachment to chocolate. They just have
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Speaker 1: one very practical question, how is this going to improve
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Speaker 1: my life? In a few hours, the pods are all
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Speaker 1: broken and the boxes are full and starting to ferment
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Speaker 1: in the steamy Amazon air. Each day Louisa Andre have
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Speaker 1: to come back and turn the mass, scooping it into
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Speaker 1: a new box and mixing the hot center and the
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Speaker 1: cougar edges to the fermentation. Evens out. Three of the
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Speaker 1: people at the workshop turn out to be from s
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Speaker 1: OS Amazonia, the nonprofit that first alerted Louisa to the
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Speaker 1: existence of this shiar wakako. They're here to learn the
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Speaker 1: techniques and teach them to other communities even deeper in
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Speaker 1: the back country, and so as just trying to open
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Speaker 1: two more origins up prefer But they don't they don't
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Speaker 1: know the Cacao Chainou the protocols, so they came to
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Speaker 1: um learn with us. All of the collegues coming up
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Speaker 1: is going to come for me. So that's not maybe
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Speaker 1: the Queen of Amazon. Oh yeah, that's the main goal,
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Speaker 1: I guess. The s O s Amazonia guys are young,
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Speaker 1: born in the Amazon and familiar with its ways, and
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Speaker 1: Louisa says she couldn't do this without them, and so
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Speaker 1: as really helps a lot of people here. Yeah, everywhere
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Speaker 1: they go they're like welcomed. So it's really good to
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Speaker 1: be with them because then whenever we're arrive in somewhere
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Speaker 1: like new place, they're like, oh, they're with us, and
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Speaker 1: that's really important here in a region where activists are
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Speaker 1: often killed. A few months after our visit in this
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Speaker 1: same region, a British journalist and the indigenous rites activists
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Speaker 1: he's working with will be murdered by a legal fisherman.
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Speaker 1: Anything goes in the Amazon, and the life expectancy isn't
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Speaker 1: high for anyone who challenges the illegal loggers, miners, ranchers
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Speaker 1: and fishermen. But somehow ss Amazonia is making it work.
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Speaker 1: The hope is that with their help, what Louise is
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Speaker 1: doing here will start a wild cocow movement that can
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Speaker 1: spread clear across the Amazon. We break for lunch, then
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Speaker 1: head to the boat for our afternoon mission, looking for
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Speaker 1: new recruits to produce enough chocolate to make the Jerwabar
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Speaker 1: a real thing. Louisa needs more help, so we're going
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Speaker 1: to visit each homestead on the river and hope she
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Speaker 1: can work her magic. Our craft is a long, skinny
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Speaker 1: boat with rows of benches like little pews. It feels
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Speaker 1: like a theme park ride or the kind of thing
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Speaker 1: missionaries would have used back in the day, And suddenly
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Speaker 1: occurs to me that Louise and Andre are basically Coco
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Speaker 1: missionaries bringing the gospel of chocolate to the Amazon. At
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Speaker 1: each stop along the river, faces peer out of the
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Speaker 1: windows at our mysterious entourage. But each time we doc
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Speaker 1: people choose to listen were never turned away. Everyone collects
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Speaker 1: on the cabin floor and sprawls out as Louisa makes
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Speaker 1: her pitch. Yeah that was great. Actually, like this family
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Speaker 1: has like a lot of people, so they have a
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Speaker 1: lot of potential to get more pods. Yeah, I look
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Speaker 1: like they're a bunch of kids there, and yeah, it
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Speaker 1: has a nice vibe to it. It's amazing. Pretty much
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Speaker 1: everyone is on board fourth family and that was nice.
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Speaker 1: They so far they are the winning family. They got
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Speaker 1: three hundred pods in one day and they said that
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Speaker 1: if they had more time they would have caught more.
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Speaker 1: So that's a win. And they're pretty excited about cacao.
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Speaker 1: As we head back to day's that evening, I can
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Speaker 1: feel the hole Jiwa dream becoming real. The pickers are
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Speaker 1: all in, but now we need the fermentors, someone to
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Speaker 1: run the station where everyone will drop off their beans
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Speaker 1: and get paid. It's a much bigger commitment. And while
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Speaker 1: they agreed to build the drawing shed and even put
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Speaker 1: us up for a few days, so far he's still
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Speaker 1: a firm. Now you're turning the box in layers, so
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Speaker 1: we don't really like dig a hole in the box.
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Speaker 1: We try to do it in layers because by doing
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Speaker 1: it in this way we can make sure that we
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Speaker 1: are cooking all the layers. Even for the next few days.
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Speaker 1: Louisa keeps teaching using the special protocol she developed for
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Speaker 1: the middle of Nowhere in more developed places. Pickow fermentation
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Speaker 1: relies on a lot of gadgets, thermometers to measure heat,
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Speaker 1: refractometers to see the level of sugar in the juice.
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Speaker 1: But in the jungle, things break and batteries die. If
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Speaker 1: a battery dies, you are four hours away by boot
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Speaker 1: from the next city. Are you going to go and
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Speaker 1: go there just to get the battery? Oh? The fermentation,
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Speaker 1: please stop because I don't have a battery here. You know,
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Speaker 1: like it's it doesn't work like that. So um, we're like, okay,
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Speaker 1: let's just go buy the field smell tasting visual and
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Speaker 1: the field the warmth. She developed her own low tech
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Speaker 1: Amazonian protocol. I was like, well, the temperature of your
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Speaker 1: body is X. If you get in get in there
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Speaker 1: and the temperature feels higher, it's because the temperature is
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Speaker 1: higher than thirty seven celsius. Because your your body tempature
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Speaker 1: is thirty seven. If the temperature feels lower, it's because
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Speaker 1: the metabolism of the whole mass is going down. And
23:24
Speaker 1: then smelling, oh look this alcohol smells really volatile. And
23:29
Speaker 1: then vinegar you almost want to cry when you when
23:34
Speaker 1: you like smell a lot of vinegar. So we slowly
23:39
Speaker 1: we had a protocol where they don't needed any gadgets
23:45
Speaker 1: to make a good being. Honestly, it's a total game
23:51
Speaker 1: changer for places like this Instead of fermentation being totally
23:55
Speaker 1: intimidating for people who aren't used to high tech gadgetry,
23:58
Speaker 1: the process becomes intuitive, it even fun. One person who's
24:03
Speaker 1: totally uninterested is z Andering. Louisa had him hanged as
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Speaker 1: the guy to run this momentation center, but he often
24:10
Speaker 1: wanders away during the workshop. But as it turns out,
24:14
Speaker 1: we don't have to look far for a solution. Mic
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Speaker 1: On his son is asking lots of good questions. Mica
24:24
Speaker 1: And is twenty, a handsome kid with an earring and
24:26
Speaker 1: stylish haircut. He blended seamlessly on streets of any city,
24:30
Speaker 1: and you can tell he's got his eye on the
24:32
Speaker 1: larger world. But he also loves life on the river.
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Speaker 1: So after the workshop we asked him what he thinks
24:40
Speaker 1: people sash dasha ki. Yeah, it's so good, not too
24:50
Speaker 1: not too much work. No, no, I'm going to defease you.
24:58
Speaker 1: It's difficult because it's new, but the movement. As as
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Speaker 1: time passes, he will He is sure that he can
25:07
Speaker 1: handle this process. How many boxes do you think you
25:13
Speaker 1: can handle? People said, Fuzzy wash five. That would be
25:23
Speaker 1: about KOs of dried cacao, enough for a few thousand bars.
25:28
Speaker 1: A good start. Later, when we're alone, Andre tells me
25:32
Speaker 1: where my CON's interest in Cacao comes from. He said
25:35
Speaker 1: that maybe there's a lot of over fishing. Every year
25:40
Speaker 1: there's a migration of the fish upstream up river, and
25:45
Speaker 1: he said that nowadays they have like a thousand boats
25:50
Speaker 1: waiting for the fish. Yeah, Michael ZiLs, but not not
25:55
Speaker 1: that many fish. And so he was really really hopeful
25:58
Speaker 1: that Kao could will become eventually something that would be
26:03
Speaker 1: bigger than fishing here, and it was. The problem is
26:09
Speaker 1: actually pretty devastating. Fish stocks throughout the Amazon are collapsing
26:13
Speaker 1: in the face of overfishing and climate change. The Amazon
26:17
Speaker 1: is the greatest abundance and diversity of freshwater fish in
26:19
Speaker 1: the world and that has always been the foundation of
26:22
Speaker 1: rivers diet and income. And when it goes they often
26:26
Speaker 1: go with him and the loggers and ranchers move in.
26:30
Speaker 1: So I can see why my con is so laser focused.
26:33
Speaker 1: And he said they were gonna work hot for that
26:36
Speaker 1: to happen bec become a major source of income in here,
26:43
Speaker 1: which was the very first time that I heard someone
26:46
Speaker 1: from from from here so enthusiastic, and so I think
26:51
Speaker 1: all are responsive about it. Is even bigger. He was really,
26:55
Speaker 1: you know, counting on us. If the community can band
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Speaker 1: together with Louisa to preserve this wild cacao, it might
27:13
Speaker 1: just help them hang on. But for that to even
27:15
Speaker 1: be a possibility, the team has to make it to
27:18
Speaker 1: the finish line on this workshop, and Louisa, she's starting
27:21
Speaker 1: to flag for good reason. It's been seven years since
27:26
Speaker 1: we come to different communities in the Amazon, but it
27:33
Speaker 1: has never been so tough for me. Um I'm pregnant today,
27:40
Speaker 1: is actually twelve weeks pregnant, and first timemester is just
27:47
Speaker 1: I don't know, morning sickness, and to be here in
27:55
Speaker 1: this time of my pregnancy has been tough. I'm not
28:03
Speaker 1: gonna lie, And of course I can't say what it's
28:07
Speaker 1: like to be fighting back morning sickness while you're getting
28:09
Speaker 1: mauled by pium and you're trying to stay positive about
28:12
Speaker 1: your cow works job. But I'm just going to go
28:14
Speaker 1: out on the limb and guess that it's not ideal
28:17
Speaker 1: and that to pull it off, you gotta believe. I
28:21
Speaker 1: can't help but think back to Louise's Aiahuasca awakening, her
28:24
Speaker 1: understanding that the forest and the people are one and
28:27
Speaker 1: her commitment to total partnership with the Amazon, and yet
28:32
Speaker 1: right now the Amazon is being a bit of an asshole.
28:36
Speaker 1: The rains are pounding, which drops the temperature, and that
28:39
Speaker 1: slows down the fermentation, which means the beans might not
28:42
Speaker 1: be done by tomorrow morning. But we have to leave
28:45
Speaker 1: tomorrow because there's no other flight out of Cruzaro for days.
28:49
Speaker 1: But if Louise has to leave before she can show
28:51
Speaker 1: everyone the final steps, that could endanger the whole experiment.
28:55
Speaker 1: And more urgently, the river and the swamp behind the
28:58
Speaker 1: shack are rising so fast that it's not clear we'll
29:01
Speaker 1: have any ground to stand on by tomorrow. Still, as
29:05
Speaker 1: we huddle in our cabin staring out at the rain,
29:08
Speaker 1: Andre says he's glad we can't we make this big
29:12
Speaker 1: bat that's raising our prices. Who would be engaged? More people?
29:16
Speaker 1: And did Uh? I was really surprised that they could
29:21
Speaker 1: build up fermenting am fermenting place, a place, a ferment total.
29:28
Speaker 1: Uh moved the boxes so so fast it's like a month.
29:33
Speaker 1: So I think Michael understood that here's an opportunity. I'm
29:40
Speaker 1: not to get up. Let that gonna go through much fingers.
29:44
Speaker 1: Let's works, Let's have a go. But that night the
29:48
Speaker 1: Amazon has a go at us. It's a deluge all
29:52
Speaker 1: night long. The river tears away chunks of the bank.
29:56
Speaker 1: The swamp is now a lake lapping at the edge
29:58
Speaker 1: of our cabin. It's somebody pulls a six ft anaconda
30:01
Speaker 1: out of it, but nobody even cares. Sometime after midnight,
30:05
Speaker 1: I hear the explosion of one of the huge trees
30:08
Speaker 1: in the compound, carrying leaps in its breeks. So one queasy,
30:12
Speaker 1: eternal second I wait to be crushed. Then the world
30:18
Speaker 1: explodes with the sound of the tree crashing down nearby,
30:24
Speaker 1: no direct hit. In the morning, an Amazonian giant stretches
30:29
Speaker 1: dead across the compound. It was a narrow sky and
30:34
Speaker 1: it's water water everywhere. The river is now as the
30:37
Speaker 1: rivers requaimed all the land like, there's just water everywhere. Um,
30:43
Speaker 1: there's very dry land for little walk on. We're supposed
30:46
Speaker 1: to head back to turo Desul that um, but that
30:55
Speaker 1: means a very long trip against the blow up river,
31:00
Speaker 1: and were is just gonna be full of massive trees
31:04
Speaker 1: tearing down stream um and doing so fast. I'm not
31:09
Speaker 1: sure the boat's gonna be able to do it. Louisa
31:12
Speaker 1: is concerned too. I'm so worried because we're growing on
31:16
Speaker 1: the river today. That's what I was talking about all night. Um,
31:21
Speaker 1: that river is just gonna be scammering and we have
31:25
Speaker 1: to go up river. I hope the rain stops today
31:30
Speaker 1: because if it doesn't, we are not flying tomorrow. Honestly,
31:35
Speaker 1: it feels grim. But then this guy is suddenly part
31:40
Speaker 1: for brief window and we take advantage. We scramble over
31:43
Speaker 1: the soggy ground the drying racks so Louisa can demonstrate
31:47
Speaker 1: the last step in the process, scooching through the spread
31:50
Speaker 1: out beans with your feet to push them into long
31:52
Speaker 1: rows for better drying off. In the Nac just scooched
31:58
Speaker 1: through the beans with her feet, gucci along the way
32:00
Speaker 1: to make channels and ridges things. But as she rushes
32:11
Speaker 1: through the process, mike On has some final questions. Later,
32:15
Speaker 1: Louisa gives me the lowdown. He thought it was quite
32:18
Speaker 1: easy and doable, which is always great. Um. He also
32:25
Speaker 1: asked how many days I thought it would take? Okay,
32:33
Speaker 1: how many days? I said between ten and twelve days.
32:39
Speaker 1: They want to take a picture. No, that sound you
32:45
Speaker 1: here is not a swarm of bees. It's a drone.
32:48
Speaker 1: Louise's team brought it along and it's time for the
32:50
Speaker 1: group photo, and then we scramble for the boat and
33:00
Speaker 1: push up river against the current. Well I think we
33:03
Speaker 1: got out, just like the last chopper out. Yeah, Oh
33:12
Speaker 1: my god, your feet, you look like you've got Hannah tattoos.
33:17
Speaker 1: New tattoo who is washing her feet in the river
33:23
Speaker 1: as we are hanging off in the boat. This is, uh,
33:26
Speaker 1: what's over? A new moment in extreme pick O. The
33:35
Speaker 1: storms return and we huddle under the boats, torn to heart,
33:38
Speaker 1: but our pilot is faced first into the down war
33:41
Speaker 1: for hours, dodging the trees that comes flailing down the current,
33:45
Speaker 1: any of them could capsuize us. But half a day
33:48
Speaker 1: later we straggle into trizero dosool like drowned rats. And
33:53
Speaker 1: the day after that we're back in sound Paolo and
33:56
Speaker 1: Louisa just has to cross her fingers. She's gone a
34:00
Speaker 1: even beyond, and so has Matt And now it's in
34:03
Speaker 1: the hands of the reburying news. They know what to do.
34:06
Speaker 1: We just have to hope that their relationship with Louisa
34:08
Speaker 1: is now deep enough and that the river cooperates. I
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35:04
Speaker 1: you hear your voice? How are you? I'm good? How
35:08
Speaker 1: how's it going? After so much waiting, this was the
35:11
Speaker 1: moment of truth and Louisa was calling me with the
35:14
Speaker 1: verdict straight from her factory floor. I just got into
35:20
Speaker 1: I never had so many beans in my factory, which
35:24
Speaker 1: is very, very exciting. This just was an eighteen. We
35:28
Speaker 1: had to klos this year. We got one point one ton,
35:38
Speaker 1: so you double this is double that? Yeah, yeah, I
35:45
Speaker 1: just opened too of the stacks and right off the bat,
35:50
Speaker 1: I know that dish is my Jubi. They smell great.
35:56
Speaker 1: I am beyond happy and hoping that everyone loved it. Honestly,
36:06
Speaker 1: I was too Somewhere along the way I got invested.
36:10
Speaker 1: I would have been heartbroken to see this cacao and
36:12
Speaker 1: those Riverino's give way to cattle ranches. And if you
36:15
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36:19
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36:21
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36:24
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36:28
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36:34
Speaker 1: seven thousand dollar bet had just paid off. I asked
36:37
Speaker 1: Matt to walk me through the moment when there's your
36:39
Speaker 1: wah bars first arrived. I was like, this is it,
36:43
Speaker 1: and she's like, I'm just nodding her head. And so
36:46
Speaker 1: I opened it up and I'm so nervous that I
36:50
Speaker 1: pop it in my mouth and then the flavors open
36:54
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36:57
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37:05
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37:08
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37:16
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37:21
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37:25
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