Latest / The Ben Ferguson Podcast / An Interview w Steve Bannon: Unveiling Political Controversies & Lawfare

Transcript

An Interview w Steve Bannon: Unveiling Political Controversies & Lawfare · The Ben Ferguson Podcast

0:01
Speaker 1: I tell you, there's fun nights in my life that
0:04
Speaker 1: are memorable moments. One of those was Seapack and full disclosure.
0:08
Speaker 1: When you go to Seapac dinner, sometimes you're worried you're
0:10
Speaker 1: gonna sit next to somebody you don't know very well,
0:12
Speaker 1: and you got to kind of tell war stories and
0:16
Speaker 1: do the song and dance as I describe it. And
0:18
Speaker 1: I sat down at dinner the other night at Sea Pack,
0:21
Speaker 1: and I looked to the right and I'm like, Steve
0:22
Speaker 1: Bannon's name there, and I'm like, this actually could be
0:24
Speaker 1: a fun dinner. And it was genuinely one of the
0:27
Speaker 1: most fun, entertaining dinners I've had in a long time,
0:30
Speaker 1: getting to chat with one of the most brilliant minds
0:32
Speaker 1: in the MAGA conservative movement.
0:34
Speaker 2: And afterwards I was like, I.
0:35
Speaker 1: Should have him on the show and joining me now
0:38
Speaker 1: is Steve Steve.
0:39
Speaker 2: I really did enjoy dinner.
0:40
Speaker 1: I texted my wife that night and she was like,
0:42
Speaker 1: how is the dinner because she kind of knows how
0:44
Speaker 1: it goes. You know, you do these dinners and you
0:46
Speaker 1: do a lot of them.
0:47
Speaker 2: And I said, honey, I actually had a great dinner.
0:49
Speaker 1: I got to sit with Steve and We had a
0:51
Speaker 1: great conversation and it was really enjoyable.
0:54
Speaker 2: So thank you a for that.
0:55
Speaker 1: I had a blast and I wanted to have you
0:58
Speaker 1: on And for everybody listening, I'm gonna I want to
0:59
Speaker 1: go through just where we're going to go in this conversation. One,
1:02
Speaker 1: we're gonna be talking about law fair and the auto
1:04
Speaker 1: pen controversy. We're gonna talk about Steve going to jail
1:08
Speaker 1: and being a political prisoner as I describe it. We're
1:11
Speaker 1: gonna talk about reforms and cash for tel Dan Bongino,
1:14
Speaker 1: the FBI, and then the judges that are fighting against Trump.
1:17
Speaker 2: So that's kind of where we're gonna go.
1:19
Speaker 1: Uh and Steve, I want to start with you with
1:22
Speaker 1: the auto pen controversy. Donald Trump talked about it on
1:27
Speaker 1: the plane and he's like, look like, I think some
1:30
Speaker 1: of these don't count because they were done with an
1:32
Speaker 1: auto pen and the President may not have known that.
1:35
Speaker 1: Explain and unwind that for everyone listening how this could
1:39
Speaker 1: be the case and why this matters.
1:42
Speaker 3: You know today, it's it's so amazing we're doing it today.
1:46
Speaker 3: Today is the first anniversary of Peter and Lavara going
1:49
Speaker 3: to prison. We actually started our show this morning with
1:51
Speaker 3: a with a with a clip when he gave it.
1:55
Speaker 3: You know he gave it. He talked to the media
1:56
Speaker 3: before he walked into prison. Yea. In this auto pen
1:59
Speaker 3: the auto is about these pardons with the with the
2:04
Speaker 3: J six Committee in the staff where they gave them
2:07
Speaker 3: first time in history, blanket preemptive partons. President Nixon had
2:12
Speaker 3: something quite different, but they gave blanket preemptive pardons to
2:17
Speaker 3: people like Liz Cheney and Shifty Shifts, solwell the entire crowd,
2:20
Speaker 3: and they crawled on their belly to the White House
2:23
Speaker 3: to get these partons, which are extraordinary, And I think
2:25
Speaker 3: there's a pretty compelling case to be made that Joe
2:28
Speaker 3: Biden wasn't totally in the loop on this. Remember it's
2:31
Speaker 3: not just the location, but the president when the sciences partons,
2:34
Speaker 3: has to be totally conscious and understands the case of
2:37
Speaker 3: what he's parting people for President Trump.
2:39
Speaker 2: You mentioned location.
2:41
Speaker 1: Let's let's talk about that real quick because you mentioned it,
2:44
Speaker 1: and that's a big part of this. There's real information
2:47
Speaker 1: now coming out that when these pardons were apparently signed,
2:51
Speaker 1: the President wasn't actually there and that is a huge
2:54
Speaker 1: part of this.
2:55
Speaker 3: Correct, That's a big part of it. First of all,
2:57
Speaker 3: they commit i think inde penalty of perjury that they're
3:01
Speaker 3: in the location where it's actually signed. I mean, these
3:03
Speaker 3: pardons are very precise program run by DOJ in coordination
3:08
Speaker 3: with the White House Counsel and the White House Council
3:11
Speaker 3: of DJ would actually have a special partners person working
3:14
Speaker 3: on this. And since some many these Biden ones were sketchy,
3:17
Speaker 3: this is a very big deal because obviously now as
3:20
Speaker 3: you know Ben the whole thing about his cognitive decline
3:23
Speaker 3: and who was really you know, even signing the executive orders,
3:26
Speaker 3: who was really doing the job, because it's very uncertain
3:30
Speaker 3: right now exactly what was going on, and even the
3:32
Speaker 3: mainstream media admits that, so that he was actually on
3:34
Speaker 3: vacation at the time and not even at the White
3:37
Speaker 3: House and the date these were signed. This is why
3:39
Speaker 3: President Trump, I remember President Trump didn't bring this up
3:41
Speaker 3: off the top of the sand. People at the White
3:43
Speaker 3: House have been working on this and the reason is
3:46
Speaker 3: is that this lawfair is continuing unabated, and you have
3:50
Speaker 3: to sell some examples. It is shocking that the committee
3:55
Speaker 3: as arrogant as they were. I remember it's national prime
3:58
Speaker 3: time for five or six nights throughout that summer. This
4:01
Speaker 3: is prime I'm talking ABC, NBCCBS, not on cable, on
4:05
Speaker 3: primetime broadcast. These guys were, they were they were going
4:08
Speaker 3: to be the biggest They were the biggest thing since Wordgate.
4:11
Speaker 3: Obviously it flopped, but uh. They they ran to the
4:15
Speaker 3: White House as soon as eleven o'clock Eastern Standard eleven
4:19
Speaker 3: pm Eastern Standard time on the fifth of November, when
4:23
Speaker 3: President Trump basically you know, flipped Pennsylvania to Michigan with
4:27
Speaker 3: confinor going to fall. They started right then. They wanted
4:30
Speaker 3: these partners blanket preemptive pardons. Remember how arrogant they were,
4:34
Speaker 3: luc Cheeney and shared and that staff and I'm trying
4:37
Speaker 3: the staff committed perjury on so many cases. There's so
4:40
Speaker 3: much crime that went on. They went run into the
4:43
Speaker 3: White House and begged, and the White House knew they
4:45
Speaker 3: had a problem, all right, So the media and that's
4:48
Speaker 3: why this whole thing is this that this whole thing
4:50
Speaker 3: about the autopen is not a small deal. It's a
4:53
Speaker 3: big deal.
4:54
Speaker 1: So let's let's go back to the cover of why
4:58
Speaker 1: they claimed any of these pardons, and I want you
5:00
Speaker 1: to break it down why it's not true for everyone listening.
5:03
Speaker 2: By the way, my guess I'm me Steve Bannon. War Room.
5:05
Speaker 1: If you've never watched, they do an incredible show on
5:09
Speaker 1: Real America American Voice.
5:11
Speaker 2: He has an unbelievable show. Watch it twice a day.
5:14
Speaker 2: They're up there. You can go to Warroom dot org.
5:16
Speaker 1: But one of the covers that the media use for
5:20
Speaker 1: the pardons was, well, Donald Trump's gonna come in and
5:24
Speaker 1: his team's going to come in and they're gonna do
5:27
Speaker 1: law fair and revenge. They're gonna go after their quote,
5:30
Speaker 1: political enemies. So the only reason why any of these
5:33
Speaker 1: people are needing these pardons is because they know that
5:36
Speaker 1: Donald Trump is going to weaponize the government to lock
5:40
Speaker 1: up his political enemies. That is a line that a
5:43
Speaker 1: lot of people maybe that are listening right now, say, well,
5:45
Speaker 1: that seems reasonable to want to pardon if that's what's
5:48
Speaker 1: gonna happen.
5:49
Speaker 2: Explain why that is in fact not the case at all.
5:53
Speaker 3: Well, first, I've seen the sixty days everything President Trump's
5:56
Speaker 3: got going on in the using the continuation of warfare
5:58
Speaker 3: against President Trump as agenda. To delay is to deny,
6:02
Speaker 3: and that's what they're trying to do.
6:03
Speaker 2: Listen, this is not.
6:04
Speaker 3: About President Trump. It's not about Steve Benn and I
6:06
Speaker 3: went to a federal president, Peter Navarre. It's not We
6:09
Speaker 3: have said time and time again, and the people in
6:11
Speaker 3: these positions of authority said time again. This has nothing
6:13
Speaker 3: to do with retribution. It has nothing to do with revenge.
6:16
Speaker 3: What it does have to do with this goes all
6:18
Speaker 3: the way back to the twenty twenty election and Jay
6:20
Speaker 3: six and then the lawfair against this vast criminal conspiracy
6:23
Speaker 3: against President Trump and his followers. We have to do
6:26
Speaker 3: this so it's never done again. The only is not
6:29
Speaker 3: going to stop until you make it stop. In one
6:31
Speaker 3: way is you have to have very through investigations of this.
6:34
Speaker 3: Now they say, oh, this is vengeance, has nothing to
6:37
Speaker 3: do with vengeance, but if there weren't problems, they would
6:42
Speaker 3: not have run to the White House and taken their
6:45
Speaker 3: staffs too, which is extraordinary. So this has to be investigated.
6:49
Speaker 3: I have argued from the beginning bent it needs to
6:52
Speaker 3: be done in the House to start with public investigations
6:57
Speaker 3: of all of it, so it's all on the record.
6:59
Speaker 3: And unlike in J six, which I argued in court
7:03
Speaker 3: and the appellate courts down, don't come back and I'll
7:05
Speaker 3: go to the Supreme Court if I have to. The
7:07
Speaker 3: J six committee was not structured properly. You had no
7:10
Speaker 3: ranking member, you had no minority council. So unlike any
7:13
Speaker 3: committee you've seen that's a special committee dealing with things
7:17
Speaker 3: like Aron contract, dealing with things like Watergate, where you
7:20
Speaker 3: have to have the ability to get all the documentation.
7:24
Speaker 3: The minority council gets all documentation, and the minority can
7:27
Speaker 3: cross examine witnesses. That's what didn't happen here, and that's
7:31
Speaker 3: why there was perjury NonStop. There was lying, NonStop perjury.
7:35
Speaker 1: When you use that for people in this one, I
7:37
Speaker 1: love having you on. So when you say there's perjury
7:40
Speaker 1: on stop lying, one, explain what you mean by that so.
7:43
Speaker 3: That people if you realize the committee had all this
7:47
Speaker 3: prime time coverage on the broadcast networks and you know
7:50
Speaker 3: then cable all the time, if you notice there wasn't
7:53
Speaker 3: a sense of drama, that's one of the reasons that flopped.
7:55
Speaker 3: The reason was a sense of drama. It really wasn't
7:58
Speaker 3: like kind of a court room like Watergate was, or
8:00
Speaker 3: like Iran Contra or other select committies you had. And
8:03
Speaker 3: the reason is you always have whoever's in charge, whether
8:06
Speaker 3: it's Republicans or Democrats. You have the ranking member, which
8:10
Speaker 3: is a minority right has certain rights, and they have
8:13
Speaker 3: a minority council, they have their own lawyer. And what
8:16
Speaker 3: you do is you get all documentation, you get all
8:18
Speaker 3: witness depositions, and then when the witness has come before
8:22
Speaker 3: the committee publicly. You remember this prime time where they
8:25
Speaker 3: was staying, President Trump grabbed the wheel of the Secret Service.
8:28
Speaker 3: It didn't resonate because there was no across examination. Knzinger
8:33
Speaker 3: and Cheney were there as stooges. Nancy Pelosi rejected Kevin
8:37
Speaker 3: McCarthy's I think it was the Banks of Indiana and
8:40
Speaker 3: Jim Jordan, we're going to be the two senior members,
8:43
Speaker 3: and they said, no, you guys were part of the insurrection.
8:46
Speaker 3: You were going to vote that day, are going to
8:48
Speaker 3: examine that day the results from certain states, and so
8:52
Speaker 3: you can't be it. She just utilized it. It's never
8:54
Speaker 3: happened before in an American history on a committee to
8:56
Speaker 3: select to look into something like this. That's why it
8:59
Speaker 3: didn't resonate with drama. That's one of the reasons it flops,
9:02
Speaker 3: because you could tell they were leading the witnesses and
9:04
Speaker 3: they know this. That's in the files and the and
9:07
Speaker 3: in the in the meetings and when people be when
9:10
Speaker 3: people be deposed. Now, so I believe you have to
9:12
Speaker 3: have a public hearing in Congress. It should go and
9:16
Speaker 3: they should and the Democrats should have a ranking member,
9:18
Speaker 3: and they should have minority council like we've always done it,
9:21
Speaker 3: and they should cross examined witnesses and that time, if
9:24
Speaker 3: the committee feels like a criminal charges should be sent
9:27
Speaker 3: over to the Justice Department, it should be done. Then
9:30
Speaker 3: I think that I think that would be a better
9:31
Speaker 3: way than just going to grand jury. But it may
9:33
Speaker 3: go either way, but this is going to be investigated.
9:36
Speaker 3: And I can tell you right now, they're very smart
9:39
Speaker 3: people around the President United States that are sitting there
9:42
Speaker 3: going these pardons are not going to hold up. And
9:45
Speaker 3: people are determined to go and we got to get
9:47
Speaker 3: to the bottom of this of what was done because
9:51
Speaker 3: of either party.
9:54
Speaker 1: Well, we may have won this election, the fight to
9:56
Speaker 1: restore a great nation is only beginning and now is
9:59
Speaker 1: the time to take stand and Patriot Mobile is leading
10:02
Speaker 1: the charge. It has never been easier to switch your
10:06
Speaker 1: cell phone than in twenty twenty five. With technology, you
10:09
Speaker 1: can do it literally over the phone with a code
10:12
Speaker 1: they send you. It is amazing. But here's the reason
10:16
Speaker 1: why I use Patriot Mobile now. One I save money
10:19
Speaker 1: over what I was paying before with Big Mobile, and two,
10:22
Speaker 1: I'm no longer supporting the radical left now. I didn't
10:26
Speaker 1: realize until someone told me just how radical Big Mobile
10:29
Speaker 1: had gotten. Where they are supporting organizations that pay for
10:32
Speaker 1: abortions or supporting radical democratic causes and organizations they're helping
10:37
Speaker 1: Democrats get elected at the local, state, and national level.
10:40
Speaker 1: That is actually why, over a decade ago Patriot Mobile
10:43
Speaker 1: was started and they are now America's only Christian conservative
10:48
Speaker 1: wireless provider.
10:49
Speaker 2: Now, let's talk about coverage.
10:51
Speaker 1: In twenty twenty five, you have zero problems with coverage
10:55
Speaker 1: anymore because well, Patriot Mobile uses all three major networks.
10:59
Speaker 2: What does that mean for you?
11:00
Speaker 1: It means whatever coverage you're used to now you're going
11:03
Speaker 1: to stay exactly the same, or you may even be
11:06
Speaker 1: able to improve it. But it will not be any
11:08
Speaker 1: issues when it comes to coverage. In fact, they have
11:10
Speaker 1: a coverage guarantee. But when you pay your bill, this
11:14
Speaker 1: is where the magic happens. They take a portion of
11:17
Speaker 1: your bill every month and they give it back to
11:19
Speaker 1: organizations that support our first and our second amendments that
11:23
Speaker 1: support the sanctity of life, that support our veterans, our
11:26
Speaker 1: first responders, and are wounded warriors. And like I said,
11:30
Speaker 1: switching with technology now has never been easier. You keep
11:33
Speaker 1: your same phone you have now, keep your same phone number,
11:36
Speaker 1: and you can even upgrade to a new phone if.
11:38
Speaker 2: You want to.
11:39
Speaker 1: They have a one hundred percent US based customer support
11:42
Speaker 1: team to help you find the perfect plan and to
11:45
Speaker 1: save money. And if you own a business or a
11:47
Speaker 1: small business, they have a division that just works on
11:50
Speaker 1: switching multiple lines over easily. So right now, go to
11:53
Speaker 1: Patriotmobile dot com slash ferguson or call them nine seven Patriot.
12:00
Speaker 1: You're going to get a free month of service with
12:02
Speaker 1: the promo code ferguson. So switch to Patriot Mobile and
12:05
Speaker 1: make a difference with every call you make Patriot Mobile
12:09
Speaker 1: dot com slash ferguson or nine to seven to two Patriot.
12:14
Speaker 2: How many of these.
12:14
Speaker 1: Pardons are we talking about? Is it a select few
12:16
Speaker 1: or do you think it could be a lot more
12:17
Speaker 1: than we realize? I mean, could this affect the Biden
12:19
Speaker 1: crime family as well? Because look, I want to be
12:23
Speaker 1: careful and you know this in momentum. I don't want
12:27
Speaker 1: the country to become divided in Trump to lose momentum
12:30
Speaker 1: because it looks like we're going after our political opponents.
12:33
Speaker 1: I also think there needs to be justice. Can you
12:36
Speaker 1: do both the same time? You know how hard that
12:38
Speaker 1: is to do. But could this affect some of the
12:41
Speaker 1: Biden crime family pardons as well?
12:44
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, Well, I think there's a number of things
12:47
Speaker 3: the Biden crime I would put that into a special
12:49
Speaker 3: category dealing with Ukraine and other investigations. I think we'll
12:52
Speaker 3: go on. I think the two and I think Ben,
12:54
Speaker 3: you're very wise in saying this. I think the two
12:57
Speaker 3: that have to be done immediately is one j six.
12:59
Speaker 3: The others doctor Fauci, doctor Anthony Fauci, and everything dealing
13:03
Speaker 3: with the Wuhan lab, everything dealing with what he was
13:06
Speaker 3: doing as far as gain of function, the whole gain
13:08
Speaker 3: of function situation, and the universities in the United States
13:11
Speaker 3: that were tied up with it.
13:14
Speaker 2: Because the media never reported on that. Was he actively
13:16
Speaker 2: begging for a pardon?
13:18
Speaker 3: Oh beg for Barton? He was actually he he ran
13:22
Speaker 3: he was working on it even before uh uh, the
13:26
Speaker 3: the election. The Jay six guys because of the political
13:30
Speaker 3: repercussions they had heard, you know, beforehand, that they had
13:34
Speaker 3: a sense they weren't going to win. Really started after
13:38
Speaker 3: after November fifth. Fauci was for much longer. He has
13:41
Speaker 3: been nervous because he knows he purged himself in front
13:43
Speaker 3: of Rand Paul on numerous occasions. Ran Paul has done
13:46
Speaker 3: a great job of highlighting that. So, first off, Fauci
13:50
Speaker 3: and everything Fauci will lead you to things about Wuhan
13:53
Speaker 3: and leads you to things about what Nih and other
13:57
Speaker 3: people around Fauci did. That's an investigation we had have
14:00
Speaker 3: to have since Ben, as you know, over the last week,
14:02
Speaker 3: it's the New York Times, it's the Times of London,
14:05
Speaker 3: it's the Wall Street Turner coming out and saying, hey,
14:08
Speaker 3: these guys have said it was a lab leak, were
14:11
Speaker 3: actually correct, and we know we smeared him, but it
14:14
Speaker 3: turns out they were right. So the Bluhan lamb in
14:17
Speaker 3: Fauci's involvement, and he knows he's got a problem even.
14:21
Speaker 2: If his becomes.
14:25
Speaker 1: He So let's say Fauci, let's go to that one
14:27
Speaker 1: for a second, because this really intrigues me, and I
14:30
Speaker 1: think many people listening, and I guess I'm me.
14:31
Speaker 2: He Steve Bannon.
14:32
Speaker 1: He is the host of war Room. You got to
14:34
Speaker 1: check it out. It's an amazing show. If you've never
14:36
Speaker 1: seen it. In the podcast is incredible. You look at Fauci,
14:40
Speaker 1: Let's say hypothetically, a guy like Fauci, this goes all the.
14:43
Speaker 2: Way through and the pardon is no one void. What
14:47
Speaker 2: then happens next?
14:48
Speaker 1: And then could that actually mean that a guy like
14:51
Speaker 1: Fauci could go to jail for for lying and perjuring himself.
14:57
Speaker 3: I think all bets are off on all this. I
14:59
Speaker 3: think you definitely think the reason people want to pursue
15:02
Speaker 3: this is that these are very serious and we can
15:05
Speaker 3: never allow the apparatus and can't in in the in
15:09
Speaker 3: the administrative state, uh in Fauci's case and uh in
15:13
Speaker 3: something like what they concoct on J six to ever
15:16
Speaker 3: happen again. We're not going to have a republic if
15:18
Speaker 3: that is out there. And that's why these two have
15:21
Speaker 3: to be done. That's why people around President Trump have
15:24
Speaker 3: questioned these That's what this autopen is going to be
15:27
Speaker 3: very important. And in Democrats and I know the progressive media,
15:30
Speaker 3: to listen to your show, have to understand, this a
15:33
Speaker 3: very serious effort and people are going to pursue this
15:36
Speaker 3: because the lawfair continues until today. I mean, the lawfare
15:41
Speaker 3: of what these radical judges are doing the President Trump
15:44
Speaker 3: is just another extension of the lawfare that they really
15:47
Speaker 3: rebbed up against President Trump and the MAGA movement and
15:50
Speaker 3: others in the first in the first term. Now Fauci
15:53
Speaker 3: goes much deeper. Frauchi is about the administrative state in
15:56
Speaker 3: the deep state, and and what his involvement was with Ruhan,
15:59
Speaker 3: what his knowledge was. You know, there's a whole set
16:02
Speaker 3: of email change that brand Paul, that center Paul went
16:06
Speaker 3: after that showed that Salci was very weare at the
16:08
Speaker 3: beginning that was a lably because of the gain of
16:11
Speaker 3: function experiments they were doing there with essentially money in
16:16
Speaker 3: support from his operation, and he tried to suppress that.
16:19
Speaker 3: He tried to do a misdirection play. He was one
16:21
Speaker 3: of the drivers in back of the media, particular Washington
16:24
Speaker 3: Posts and others, coming after Tom Cotton, coming after war Room,
16:28
Speaker 3: coming after myself, coming after Natalie Winners, other investigators we
16:32
Speaker 3: had that were coming out and saying, hey, this is
16:35
Speaker 3: a labile the very from the get go. So folks
16:38
Speaker 3: just have to understand if we're going to make sure
16:40
Speaker 3: this doesn't happen in the future, you have to take
16:42
Speaker 3: care of it.
16:43
Speaker 2: I realized, all right, I've said this four times.
16:45
Speaker 3: Let's us let it go and move on. You can't
16:47
Speaker 3: move on now.
16:48
Speaker 1: You just said you've said it four times. We have
16:50
Speaker 1: to make sure this never happens again. That clearly correlates
16:53
Speaker 1: with the hell that you went through. So let's start
16:56
Speaker 1: back at the beginning of that hell for a moment
16:58
Speaker 1: and remind people, well, what was it that got you
17:03
Speaker 1: into the point where democrats said you are so dangerous,
17:07
Speaker 1: we need to lock him up, and they start coming
17:09
Speaker 1: after you.
17:10
Speaker 2: War Room, the people that work for you, and ultimately
17:14
Speaker 2: you went to prison.
17:15
Speaker 1: Walk us down that storyline to remind why you can't
17:19
Speaker 1: just let this go because of what they did. You said,
17:21
Speaker 1: Navarre at the beginning of this conversation, the anniversary being
17:25
Speaker 1: today and you guys playing that audio on your show,
17:27
Speaker 1: I mean, that's the worry. I mean, these people rated
17:30
Speaker 1: this president, the former president I did to America's home.
17:32
Speaker 2: I think people forget this so quickly. We live in
17:35
Speaker 2: such an eighty D society.
17:38
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it's you know, the president exert executive privilege
17:41
Speaker 3: on a number of things, including conversations others you had
17:44
Speaker 3: with Peter m var and myself about you know, exerting
17:49
Speaker 3: executive privilege. I also argued immediately that the committee was
17:53
Speaker 3: not properly structured. So Peter Navarro and I refused to comply.
17:59
Speaker 3: And what these guys did. Normally, situations like this are
18:02
Speaker 3: civil matters. They passed the Just they'll pass it to
18:05
Speaker 3: the Justice Department for a civil matter. This committee did not.
18:09
Speaker 3: They held Peter Navarro and I in criminal contempt, right,
18:13
Speaker 3: which is a misdemeanor, criminal content, not civil, which is
18:16
Speaker 3: the way it's always been handled in the past, but
18:18
Speaker 3: criminal content, and they sent it to the Just Department,
18:22
Speaker 3: which immediately put the team many of these folks have
18:25
Speaker 3: just been fired or let go, terminated by the President's
18:29
Speaker 3: new team at the Justice Department to basically go after
18:32
Speaker 3: us and for misdemeanors. We went to prison because we
18:34
Speaker 3: wouldn't break I would never comply. I thought this thing
18:37
Speaker 3: was illegal from the beginning. Thought it was a way
18:39
Speaker 3: to attack the president, and not just to attack the president,
18:42
Speaker 3: but the entire MAGA movement and the republic and the
18:45
Speaker 3: Constitution so Peter and I would not comply. We went
18:49
Speaker 3: to these rig trials in DC, the same types of
18:52
Speaker 3: things you're seeing with the same judges that came after
18:55
Speaker 3: President Trump later and wanted to put him in jail
18:57
Speaker 3: for three hundred and fifty years. The same people today,
19:00
Speaker 3: because this fight is active today as we speak, probably
19:03
Speaker 3: more active than ever, with the same collection of judges,
19:06
Speaker 3: these radical neo Marx's judges in the in the DC
19:09
Speaker 3: circuit and throughout the country, and on misdemeanor charges, on
19:14
Speaker 3: misdemeanor charges, they sent us to federal prisons.
19:17
Speaker 2: Now, Peter, how long for beer? They don't know this.
19:19
Speaker 2: How long were you in in prison for?
19:22
Speaker 3: I was in four months. I was in Danbury Prison,
19:25
Speaker 3: which has been around over one hundred years. And I
19:27
Speaker 3: was told at the time when I was there, there
19:30
Speaker 3: had never been a misdemeanor ever. I mean, it's almost
19:33
Speaker 3: unheard of. You never have misdemeanors. Like the people that
19:36
Speaker 3: ran the federal court in DC. One gentleman been there
19:39
Speaker 3: of fifty years, who's going to retire? And he came
19:41
Speaker 3: up said, mister Banner, I've been here fifty years. We've
19:44
Speaker 3: never tried He says, we don't have time to try
19:46
Speaker 3: the felonies. They try to get people to take pleap
19:48
Speaker 3: artist because it's just not enough time judges space to
19:52
Speaker 3: do the felonies, he says, But we've never ever had
19:55
Speaker 3: a misdemeanor. So for a misdemeanor, I was sent to
19:58
Speaker 3: prison for four months to af prison. I didn't go
20:00
Speaker 3: to a camp. I actually went to a minimum security.
20:03
Speaker 3: But I mean it was a prison with I think
20:05
Speaker 3: eleven hundred inmates, and it's a quite dangerous place because
20:09
Speaker 3: of the because of the drugs that are there, and
20:12
Speaker 3: some of these inmates, these young inmates have twenty and
20:15
Speaker 3: twenty five year sentences in a very tiny place that's
20:18
Speaker 3: over one hundred years old. They break psychologically. They used drugs,
20:22
Speaker 3: and once they used drugs, then it's there. They're they're
20:25
Speaker 3: they're they're really out of control. And big guy, you
20:28
Speaker 3: empathized with them because I was there for twenty five years.
20:31
Speaker 3: It would break you psychologically. It's a very These prisons
20:34
Speaker 3: are very tough environment.
20:37
Speaker 2: What did you learn from that experience?
20:38
Speaker 1: I mean, you're a big guy like I am, but
20:40
Speaker 1: you still got to watch over your back, like your
20:42
Speaker 1: shoulder twenty four to seven, right, I mean, like what
20:45
Speaker 1: was it like being in there.
20:46
Speaker 3: I just came out. I came out more empowered than ever.
20:49
Speaker 3: The irony is they've wanted to shut me up right
20:52
Speaker 3: and from the campaign and destroy me. I came out.
20:55
Speaker 3: My team had done a great job. We were more
20:57
Speaker 3: active in the campaign. Put the grassroots part. That's a
20:59
Speaker 3: more impop, the grassroots volunteers. So we had a fantastic
21:03
Speaker 3: It was our strategy. It was executed to a t
21:06
Speaker 3: Elon Musk back to play and put up so much
21:09
Speaker 3: money in back a Charlie Kirk and others that were
21:11
Speaker 3: the coordinators, you know, two hundred fifty million dollars. It
21:13
Speaker 3: was incredible. I came out seven days before, led the
21:16
Speaker 3: rally to forget folks to turn out on Game Day,
21:19
Speaker 3: which I think over fifty five million Americans turnout for
21:21
Speaker 3: President Trump, particularly tons of low information voters. And I'm
21:25
Speaker 3: more in power than ever. The show is bigger. I'm
21:27
Speaker 3: more active than I ever been in Nancy plus and
21:29
Speaker 3: that she's kicked to the curb by the Democrat Party
21:32
Speaker 3: because of the loss, and the people in the Jay
21:34
Speaker 3: C's committee are running, they're scared, they're panicked. That's what
21:38
Speaker 3: they went and got these and got these pardons, so
21:41
Speaker 3: in you know, in God's wisdom and divine providence wisdom,
21:45
Speaker 3: they lost at big time and we won. But I
21:48
Speaker 3: came out of prison more the reason I came out
21:49
Speaker 3: of prison more in power. It's a very dangerous place
21:51
Speaker 3: and you must be focused twenty four to seven to
21:54
Speaker 3: make sure that you can get through there. But for
21:56
Speaker 3: me at at seventy years old, it was a was
22:00
Speaker 3: an amazing experience just for the focus. But I will
22:02
Speaker 3: tell people you don't want to be sent there, and
22:04
Speaker 3: we can't have people sent there for what these people did.
22:07
Speaker 3: And Peter Navarro who's also seventy years old when I
22:10
Speaker 3: was there, ben the people that impressed me the most
22:14
Speaker 3: are the right to life people. There were women in
22:16
Speaker 3: their seventies and the female prison in my prison some
22:19
Speaker 3: of the most amazing men I ever met with. These
22:23
Speaker 3: people that prayed in front of abortion centers, Evangelical Christians
22:27
Speaker 3: and Catholics that prayed before the abortion centers the Rosary
22:32
Speaker 3: are prayers and were sent to prison for three, four
22:35
Speaker 3: or five years, and I mean in a federal prison
22:37
Speaker 3: with a lot of bad own braves because they wanted
22:39
Speaker 3: them to be attacked. And these people in. President Trump
22:41
Speaker 3: pardoned all of them the first day he was there.
22:44
Speaker 3: So it's amazing. But here's what's happening. Look, you and
22:47
Speaker 3: Ted Cruzer have the amazing podcast. These federal judges has
22:51
Speaker 3: lawfaares not stopped. It's actually more intense now at a
22:54
Speaker 3: higher level than it's ever been, and it has to
22:56
Speaker 3: be stopped. They've got I think, and what.
23:00
Speaker 2: You mean by it's happening now for people again?
23:02
Speaker 1: And I always try to ask the everyday question because
23:05
Speaker 1: I want to assume that people don't understand what's happening
23:08
Speaker 1: right now. So break down these judges and explain what
23:11
Speaker 1: you mean by the lawfare now. And it's judges. The
23:14
Speaker 1: way I described it to a friend earlier was, look,
23:17
Speaker 1: it's judges who are dug in and say I'm untouchable
23:21
Speaker 1: and I'm going to be a roadblock for the president
23:24
Speaker 1: to do his job and stop him.
23:27
Speaker 2: Is that a fair analysis of it.
23:30
Speaker 3: Yeah. Look, as conservatives, we've always believed in ideas have consequences.
23:36
Speaker 3: This is a big idea that you're seeing being played
23:38
Speaker 3: at The idea is the unitary theory of the executive.
23:41
Speaker 3: The President Trump wants to get very straight for his
23:44
Speaker 3: term and for terms going forward. That the office of
23:47
Speaker 3: the President has three aspects by the Constitution. Number one,
23:51
Speaker 3: he's chief executive officer of the United States Government, and therefore,
23:54
Speaker 3: as chief executive, he has a broad mandate to make
23:58
Speaker 3: decision executive decision, including about personnel and including about spending,
24:06
Speaker 3: to wit that the Appropriations Bill is a ceiling on
24:09
Speaker 3: what should be spent, not a floor. Number two, that
24:12
Speaker 3: he's commander in chief of the Armed Forces. And number
24:15
Speaker 3: three is that he's the chief magistrate and the chief
24:18
Speaker 3: law enforcement officer of the United States. Those three things
24:21
Speaker 3: are encapsulated in the office of the President and the
24:24
Speaker 3: person that serves him. And what you're seeing with his
24:26
Speaker 3: executive orders and other actions he's taking using the advisors
24:30
Speaker 3: of DOGE to go after waste f abuse and the
24:33
Speaker 3: administrative states. Also other things he's doing with his cabinet,
24:36
Speaker 3: things he's doing as commander in chief to keep the
24:39
Speaker 3: country safe. The left has no responses politically. They're shattered
24:44
Speaker 3: their color revolution of people in the streets of burning
24:47
Speaker 3: tesla's and trying to hold rallies is a flop. Okay,
24:51
Speaker 3: they have one thing. They have these radical Marxist or
24:53
Speaker 3: neo Marxis in robes in the federal judiciary, and what
24:58
Speaker 3: they're doing is going to court immediately on anything President
25:00
Speaker 3: Trump does, including Kerry Lake does this big restructuring of
25:04
Speaker 3: Voice of America the other day. Bang, six hours later,
25:06
Speaker 3: they're in with a source back lawsuit with all these
25:10
Speaker 3: sophisticated left wing lawyers. And what these judges are doing
25:14
Speaker 3: is they're giving injunctions and temporary restraining orders, like from
25:18
Speaker 3: Rhode Island for the entire nation. I think there's fifteen
25:20
Speaker 3: right now. And this is across everything. This across President
25:22
Speaker 3: Trump making personnel decisions about I'm having a reduction in
25:26
Speaker 3: force here, or like holding two billion dollars back from
25:30
Speaker 3: the USAID to go out and fund left wing groups
25:32
Speaker 3: throughout the world, or as commander in chief to basically say, hey,
25:36
Speaker 3: we're going to take this vendors, We're going to take
25:38
Speaker 3: these Venezuelan gangs, these murderous gangs. I'm getting that out
25:41
Speaker 3: of the country immediately. I'm putting on military aircraft and
25:44
Speaker 3: other aircraft. They're going to El Salvador, They're going to
25:48
Speaker 3: go to prison there. To have a federal judge jump
25:50
Speaker 3: in the middle of a national security decision and the
25:52
Speaker 3: judge trying to redirect the planes from the bench back
25:57
Speaker 3: to the United States, so across the board, and this
26:00
Speaker 3: has come up to the fact that President Trump and ourselves,
26:02
Speaker 3: with Mike Davis, we've called for the impeachment of this
26:05
Speaker 3: chief judge of the district in Washington, Boseburg, to be
26:10
Speaker 3: impeached and to move the House Judiciary Committee to start
26:14
Speaker 3: to move the immediately to impeaching. And just as Roberts
26:16
Speaker 3: came in and basically read the Riot Act to the
26:20
Speaker 3: President and to our movement to back off, and so
26:23
Speaker 3: we are hurtling towards a constitutional crisis about exactly and
26:28
Speaker 3: a lot of this is going to go back to
26:29
Speaker 3: about do you comply or not. I believe that a
26:32
Speaker 3: couple of these judges are laying contempt traps from President
26:36
Speaker 3: Trump's senior advisors.
26:39
Speaker 1: And really this so when you say they're saying these traps,
26:43
Speaker 1: explain what that would look like in reality, what they're
26:46
Speaker 1: hoping that the quote mistake they would make.
26:49
Speaker 3: Well, here's what they're doing. Like on Saturday, when President
26:52
Speaker 3: Trump sent these these terrorists, because he did the name
26:56
Speaker 3: of terrorist group, he sent the out of the country.
26:58
Speaker 3: The judge card of the emergency hearing at five o'clock
27:01
Speaker 3: on Saturday, and folks should know that the federal courts
27:04
Speaker 3: don't work over the weekend. They had this and he
27:06
Speaker 3: basically made from the bench he wanted the planes to
27:09
Speaker 3: be redirected, and then when that was not done, he
27:14
Speaker 3: then had another meeting on Monday, and he required that
27:17
Speaker 3: tremendous amount of detailed information be given by about what happened,
27:22
Speaker 3: about how many prisons on each plane, who were they,
27:25
Speaker 3: where were they heading, why weren't they turned around. The
27:28
Speaker 3: Trump administration did not comply with that. He's now asked
27:32
Speaker 3: for that. They've come back and said, hey, maybe we
27:35
Speaker 3: might comply if this is kept in secret, but even
27:39
Speaker 3: then we have to have assurances you're not going to
27:40
Speaker 3: be leaked to the left wing journals. So right now
27:43
Speaker 3: this judge is laying up about complying with his orders.
27:47
Speaker 3: I think sending up a trap to try to have
27:52
Speaker 3: criminal charges brought against some of President Trump's people. They're
27:55
Speaker 3: playing desciously and this is why this lawfare is not
27:58
Speaker 3: going to stop until stop it now. There are five
28:00
Speaker 3: or six things already in the House and the Senate,
28:03
Speaker 3: through Mike Lee, about legislation that can go like the
28:06
Speaker 3: legislation at eighteen oh one that reorganized the federal judiciary.
28:10
Speaker 3: There's talk about chip Roy the great concrecurrent contextas is
28:13
Speaker 3: already saying, hey, look, the budget for the Federal Court
28:16
Speaker 3: is ten billion dollars. Maybe we cut two Bayon out
28:18
Speaker 3: of it. Maybe we actually cut some of these districts
28:20
Speaker 3: like San Francisco and Rhode Island that are going out
28:23
Speaker 3: of their way to put national bands in the President's
28:25
Speaker 3: of the president's policies. There's others that President Trump has
28:29
Speaker 3: put in an executive work to go after the law firms.
28:32
Speaker 3: That a lot of these law firms like Perkins coy
28:34
Speaker 3: and Burlington Covey are in the back of a lot
28:38
Speaker 3: of this. So the Covington earlier in the back of
28:41
Speaker 3: a lot of this. So it's all out legal warfare
28:45
Speaker 3: right now. And people have to understand this is the
28:47
Speaker 3: main event because we're in a constitutional crisis and they're
28:51
Speaker 3: trying to shut down with President Trump's trying to do that.
28:54
Speaker 3: The people in the United States gave him mandate as
28:57
Speaker 3: the chief executive of the United States government has and
29:00
Speaker 3: in chief of the military forces and as chief managt
29:02
Speaker 3: rate in chief law enforcement. Also, this is why He
29:05
Speaker 3: went to the Justice Department on Friday to basically put
29:07
Speaker 3: a market down and say, Hey, the president is no
29:09
Speaker 3: longer forbidden from talking to the Attorney general. The president
29:12
Speaker 3: is no longer forbidden from talking to the FBI director.
29:14
Speaker 3: The president is no longer forbidden for going into Justice
29:18
Speaker 3: and talk the main justice and talk to everybody. So
29:21
Speaker 3: this is the war, and this is the one the
29:23
Speaker 3: Democrats and the radicals think they can win since they
29:25
Speaker 3: have no political no political pressure right now, given how
29:29
Speaker 3: the American people have rejected them.
29:32
Speaker 1: I want to ask you two more questions, and I
29:34
Speaker 1: really appreciate you spending time with us. My guest Steve Bannon.
29:37
Speaker 1: He is the host of War Room. You can watch
29:39
Speaker 1: it on Real America's Voice. You can also download the podcast.
29:42
Speaker 1: It's incredible. Well, I actually believe, and you mentioned God
29:47
Speaker 1: earlier as a Christian, I actually believe that God allowed
29:51
Speaker 1: for Trump to lose in twenty twenty so we could
29:53
Speaker 1: see how corrupt the government was with Democrats, so he
29:56
Speaker 1: could come back and save this country in twenty twenty four.
30:00
Speaker 1: The best thing that ever happened was was us getting
30:02
Speaker 1: to watch this lawfare the way you've described it, so
30:04
Speaker 1: we can stop it, and I think that was a blessing.
30:08
Speaker 2: How big of a deal is it now that we
30:11
Speaker 2: have people, you know.
30:12
Speaker 1: And well cash Pttel for example, Dan Bongino, John Ratcliffe
30:16
Speaker 1: and all these others that are in there at the
30:19
Speaker 1: FBI and the CIA, et cetera, understanding just how rot,
30:24
Speaker 1: how much rot and corruption there is within the deep state,
30:29
Speaker 1: and actually demanding transparency and showing us whether it's the
30:33
Speaker 1: JFK files, the list goes on and on, that we're
30:36
Speaker 1: going to have a transparent government. These are things that
30:39
Speaker 1: I don't think we could even imagine we had to
30:41
Speaker 1: deal with back in sixteen.
30:43
Speaker 3: You're right, this is providential. Sixteen was a providential win.
30:46
Speaker 3: I was there, had a ringsite seat. I mean, we
30:48
Speaker 3: had a man, a movement, a plane, very little money
30:52
Speaker 3: and nothing else, and we took down to Clinton mafia.
30:55
Speaker 3: I believe like you do that the steel in twenty
30:59
Speaker 3: twenty was providential also, and that in the fullness of time,
31:02
Speaker 3: we saw how radical these people are. What they're prepared
31:06
Speaker 3: to do this country culturally, economically, giving away or sovereignty,
31:10
Speaker 3: what they've done geopolitically, it's outrageous, but we got to
31:14
Speaker 3: see it. The American people got to see not just
31:16
Speaker 3: people that listened to your show of people that watch
31:18
Speaker 3: War Room, but a broader swath of America and they
31:21
Speaker 3: rejected it. And most importantly, President Trump in those four years,
31:24
Speaker 3: you can tell not only was he able to think
31:27
Speaker 3: about things, not only was it able to kind of
31:29
Speaker 3: meditate on where the country is and to bring up
31:33
Speaker 3: a course of action as they came against him, and
31:35
Speaker 3: remember they wanted to put him in prison for three
31:38
Speaker 3: hundred and seventy five years so he would die in
31:40
Speaker 3: a federal prison, and they were bound and determined to
31:42
Speaker 3: do that. That really had President Trump do a very
31:45
Speaker 3: deep think on all this. In addition, we had like
31:48
Speaker 3: brooksh Rollin's at American First Policy Institute, Stephen Miller at
31:52
Speaker 3: American First Law, the Heritage Group or Project twenty twenty five,
31:56
Speaker 3: the Great russ Vote at Center for Renewing America, five
32:00
Speaker 3: or six think tanks that went through for four years
32:03
Speaker 3: and made a decision they were going to back Trump
32:05
Speaker 3: as Trump did his political comeback and start to work
32:07
Speaker 3: through these policies, these verticals very deeply and also put
32:11
Speaker 3: together the three thousand people that you don't need Senate
32:14
Speaker 3: confirm that could work on teams become sedgerate matter of experts.
32:18
Speaker 3: That's why when President Trump shows up this time, unlike
32:20
Speaker 3: in sixteen, you have days of thunder, you have flood
32:23
Speaker 3: his zone. He does ten and twelve things a day
32:26
Speaker 3: that resonate. That's why they're so desperate. They need to
32:29
Speaker 3: basically slow it down. The only way they can slow
32:32
Speaker 3: it down is with the courts, and to delay is
32:34
Speaker 3: to deny. If you look at the same percision to
32:35
Speaker 3: look some of these rulings they wanted to post people
32:38
Speaker 3: in the government. This is the judges, not the plan is.
32:41
Speaker 3: This is the judges, and they're trying to slow it
32:43
Speaker 3: down to try to string this out pass the twenty
32:45
Speaker 3: twenty six midterms. Their strategy is very obviously, but President
32:49
Speaker 3: Trump's done it so it was providential, and it's providential
32:51
Speaker 3: he's back. And you mentioned the types of people he's
32:54
Speaker 3: getting in there. It's a dream team. But this has
32:56
Speaker 3: been years in the making. You know, Cash Ftel, Dan Bongino,
33:00
Speaker 3: Pam Bondi, the whole team that the Just Farmer is
33:02
Speaker 3: basically President Trump's legal team that defending him against this
33:06
Speaker 3: law fare. So these people John Ratcliffe and Cia, You're
33:09
Speaker 3: not going to take down the deep state unless you
33:11
Speaker 3: have a guy with the courage of a John Ratcliffe, right,
33:14
Speaker 3: or someone like a Tulca Gabbert. So the team is there.
33:17
Speaker 3: This is now a test of wills, and that's why
33:20
Speaker 3: we were in a constitutional crisis more than ever. You
33:23
Speaker 3: have to have Trump's back because they're trying to break
33:26
Speaker 3: us right now and they're trying to use the federal
33:29
Speaker 3: courts to do it.
33:30
Speaker 2: Final question for you.
33:32
Speaker 1: In everyone that listens to the show, I always try
33:34
Speaker 1: to give them a hey, how do you get involved?
33:37
Speaker 3: What do you do?
33:37
Speaker 1: What is it that listeners need to be doing to
33:40
Speaker 1: advocate support, to back not just this administration, but all
33:45
Speaker 1: the other things that you just talked about.
33:48
Speaker 3: I think the first thing is, let's use your agency.
33:50
Speaker 3: You are important. Remember President Trump is a grassroots movement.
33:53
Speaker 3: This is a populis movement We've never seen before in
33:56
Speaker 3: this country. All the forces are aligned against him, Silicon Valley,
34:01
Speaker 3: the corporatist, the globalist, all of it. It's been defeated
34:05
Speaker 3: to date because of the popular the sovereign will of
34:08
Speaker 3: the American people. Having Trump's back. Number one, listen to
34:11
Speaker 3: your show, get more information, listen to your podcast or
34:14
Speaker 3: Ted Cruz. Just get more information, weaponize yourself. And you
34:18
Speaker 3: do that with information, become an information or what we
34:21
Speaker 3: call force multiplier. Then number two go to these sites
34:25
Speaker 3: that can actually help you become active, not just to
34:28
Speaker 3: your local level, but also calling your congressman. But when
34:31
Speaker 3: you call, you know what you're talking about as far
34:33
Speaker 3: as impeachment goes. So I would say number one, use
34:37
Speaker 3: your human agency. That's what this is about. You. Remember,
34:40
Speaker 3: God works through human agency. He flows through you, The
34:43
Speaker 3: Holy Spirit flows through you. So number one, find out
34:47
Speaker 3: and learn as much as you can weaponize yourself. Then
34:50
Speaker 3: number two actually become active, whether at the grassroots level
34:53
Speaker 3: or right now, making sure that you're letting your congressman,
34:56
Speaker 3: your representative of your senators know, Hey, this is important.
35:00
Speaker 3: We want you to folks and want folks on this legislation.
35:02
Speaker 3: We want the House Judiciary Committee to basically a panel.
35:05
Speaker 3: We want to start looking at these judges because folks,
35:08
Speaker 3: we are in a gunfight right now. We're in a
35:10
Speaker 3: metaphorical gunfight about the direction of this country. And you know,
35:14
Speaker 3: I'm glad everybody celebrated inauguration, but I kept saying this,
35:18
Speaker 3: We're about one hundred days before we get down to it.
35:20
Speaker 3: And now we're getting down to it on day sixty.
35:23
Speaker 3: And folks don't think it's going to get better. It's
35:26
Speaker 3: either there's no compromise here. We're either going to win
35:29
Speaker 3: or they're going to win. And this is all going
35:30
Speaker 3: to get down to the test of political will. And
35:34
Speaker 3: you know, Ben, I have my money on the American
35:38
Speaker 3: people in the grassroots movement in this country.
35:40
Speaker 1: Now, all the data that I just gave you, I'm
35:42
Speaker 1: going to ask you to share it on social media.
35:45
Speaker 1: I'm going to ask you to share it with your
35:46
Speaker 1: family and your friends. We do this show every day
35:49
Speaker 1: on social media, so make sure again grab it, download it,
35:53
Speaker 1: and if you get to see our videos on social media,
35:55
Speaker 1: please share them because, as you know that, the big
35:59
Speaker 1: tech presses everything we do here.
36:02
Speaker 2: And I'll see you back here tomorrow.