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Rushion Interviews "P Valley" Star Nicco Annan on His Groundbreaking Role, becoming Uncle Clifford & more! |Felicia Henderson, Executive Producer and Showrunner of Netflix's First Kill! · The Steve Harvey Morning Show

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  Speaker 1: You're Nicole and was born in on army base in
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  Speaker 1: Germany to a black Southern woman born in the West
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  Speaker 1: African man from Ghana. Nicole, as he's affectionately known, was
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  Speaker 1: raised in Detroit, Michigan, the Motor City. He just mystifies
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  Speaker 1: the myths around Southern black men, black gay men, and
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  Speaker 1: those identifying in the non binary space and if they
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  Speaker 1: live four lives that they can leave. Nico originated the
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  Speaker 1: role of Uncle Clifford and the popular show P Valley
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  Speaker 1: and played that characters is twenty eleven. To date, he
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  Speaker 1: is the only character that played the Clifford as well
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  Speaker 1: as on the television show P Valley the Stars Network.
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  Speaker 1: The award winning series P Valley is back for season two.
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  Speaker 1: P Valley. If you don't know, It's an engrossing drama, family, friendship,
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  Speaker 1: and survival. Every Sunday you can catch it temp M
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  Speaker 1: Eastern and Pacific. This season is richly crafted. Characters deal
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  Speaker 1: with sacrifice, ethical dilemmas, identity, family, love, trust, and betrayal,
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  Speaker 1: while also facing the aftermass of the decisions from season one.
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  Speaker 1: the first time, Nico, how are you doing, my friend,
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  Speaker 1: I'm great, I'm great. Thank you so much for having
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  Speaker 1: me here. First of all, my first time hopefully won't
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  Speaker 1: be the last. Oh no, no, no, no, I'll be
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  Speaker 1: mad if you're the lad because you're you're a star.
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  Speaker 1: You are a star. You are an individual, brother, you
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  Speaker 1: know you're an individual. That Let's let's talk about the character,
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  Speaker 1: because you know in your bio they said you've been
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  Speaker 1: playing this character or character like this, So that means
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  Speaker 1: that character did not originate on the television series I've seen,
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  Speaker 1: you've been playing it before. That give us some background
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  Speaker 1: history on your character and how did they get to
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  Speaker 1: that point, because, like I said, you know, because you
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  Speaker 1: have some great you know, designs and your beard and
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  Speaker 1: all that stuff that you're not wearing right now. I
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  Speaker 1: have a beard, I remember right there the movie they
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  Speaker 1: cut my beard in a certain way. And so let's
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  Speaker 1: let's talk about that character developed because I'm sure it
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  Speaker 1: was inspired a lot by your own imagination. Um, it
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  Speaker 1: was inspired a lot by my own imagination, but primarily
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  Speaker 1: from Coltori halls imagination. Ulatory Hall is our showrunner and
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  Speaker 1: the creator of this universe that she has here, um
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  Speaker 1: but here in p Valley. This actually started a little
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  Speaker 1: earlier than two thousand and eleven. Back in two thousand
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  Speaker 1: and nine. Um, yeah, I was living in New York
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  Speaker 1: at the time. I was an after I was choreographing
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  Speaker 1: and directing, so I was doing all three and I
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  Speaker 1: was in between gigs and I received the invitation to
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  Speaker 1: go to Quatori's house. Uh. She was having a salon series.
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  Speaker 1: She used to have this thing called black Mondays because
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  Speaker 1: in the theater it's dark on Mondays. In theater language,
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  Speaker 1: we say it's black um, because all the lights are off.
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  Speaker 1: And so what happened was she was she had a
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  Speaker 1: writing fellowship at the Lark Theater Company. It's an off
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  Speaker 1: Broadway house in New York. And through that salon series,
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  Speaker 1: it was a group of writers, actors, musicians that just
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  Speaker 1: got together to read or talk about their ideas and
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  Speaker 1: new material that they had and a collective so to speak,
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  Speaker 1: kind of like James Baldwin's or Herston you know, the
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  Speaker 1: Renaissance group back in the day. Um, they were creating
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  Speaker 1: their own version of that. And essentially what happened there
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  Speaker 1: was a lot of network thing that was happening across
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  Speaker 1: the platform among all these different black artists. It was
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  Speaker 1: not necessarily somewhat none of us at the time we're
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  Speaker 1: on Broadway or had big major motion picture deals. And
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  Speaker 1: literally was about conversation and who is it that has
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  Speaker 1: points of access and just different ideas. So one of
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  Speaker 1: her co writers in the fellowship, Dominique Marisso who they
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  Speaker 1: both since have been like Tony Award nominations and all
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  Speaker 1: these accreditations and awards decorating them. Um. She said, I'm
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  Speaker 1: looking for a person that kind of houses this uh,
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  Speaker 1: feminine energy yet a masculine energy, have this idea for
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  Speaker 1: this after and it was all these things. And when
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  Speaker 1: I got there, there were five pages. Man, there were
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  Speaker 1: five pages, and on those five pages only two of
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  Speaker 1: them Uncle Clifford was in. There was two different scenes
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  Speaker 1: and it was the description of Uncle Clifford Um emerging
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  Speaker 1: from the shadows of the club, eyelashes like butterfly wings,
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  Speaker 1: and nails like ego talents, Uncle Clifford Um. And so
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  Speaker 1: that's how it all started. Now, how tall are you
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  Speaker 1: because you're you're you're not a small to I'm definitely
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  Speaker 1: a man of size. I'm six too, you know what
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  Speaker 1: I'm saying. As they say corn branded, they just said, Nicole,
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  Speaker 1: you know, because your your body was introduced in the pilot.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, we used saw that real
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  Speaker 1: look and everything so so nudity. That was nudity. How
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  Speaker 1: did you feel with a comfortable moment? For you? You
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  Speaker 1: have to prepare for that moment. Talking about that in
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  Speaker 1: the pilot scene, I think you always have to prepare
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  Speaker 1: for any person and that you know, you know that
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  Speaker 1: as an artist in general, where you are using your
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  Speaker 1: body to tell the story, you're using your soul to
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  Speaker 1: tell the story. Um, I know as an artist I
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  Speaker 1: am especially I'm gonna tell you this, being a man
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  Speaker 1: of a certain age, I think in my twenties it
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  Speaker 1: was it could have maybe messed me up a little
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  Speaker 1: bit more because it was more into the constraints of
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  Speaker 1: what people sought I should be. But I'm a grown
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  Speaker 1: man now. You know. The thirties, you know they taught
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  Speaker 1: me how to really be who I am and to
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  Speaker 1: have a level of self acceptance. But in regards to
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  Speaker 1: the show and how the nudity works, it's a The
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  Speaker 1: show takes place in this club called Pink, and it's
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  Speaker 1: a strip club. And so we're talking about these people
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  Speaker 1: who are marginalized and definitely have an idea they know
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  Speaker 1: what they're doing, and they're working in the sex work industry,
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  Speaker 1: and it just made sense that in this industry there's
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  Speaker 1: a level of awareness and comfortability of being in one's
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  Speaker 1: body and now stepping outside of that as the actor
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  Speaker 1: and the artist. I had to ask myself the question
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  Speaker 1: and I proposed it to the producers in my camera
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  Speaker 1: test for the series. The TV series, it was more
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  Speaker 1: so they said how do I feel about it? And
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  Speaker 1: my question to them was, when was the last time
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  Speaker 1: that you saw a full figured body, male or female,
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  Speaker 1: dark skinned being made love to on the screen. And
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  Speaker 1: I felt that that image of someone being full, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and being shown love, being made love to, being loving,
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  Speaker 1: I thought that that was just a revolutionary visual. So
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  Speaker 1: I was definitely open to it, you know, and there's
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  Speaker 1: a process to get to it. But yeah, yeah, like
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  Speaker 1: to say, I always tell people will come on my
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  Speaker 1: show and also the people watch or listen to show.
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  Speaker 1: That's a process, you know, this is never you know,
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  Speaker 1: you have to meet with your other cast members and
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  Speaker 1: set boundaries about what makes you feel comfortable and makes
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  Speaker 1: that other person feel comfortable so it can feel natural.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure this has happened with you on this series
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  Speaker 1: as well. Correct. Absolutely, we definitely have intimacy coaches and
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  Speaker 1: h the intimacy coach is the interact in the media,
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  Speaker 1: in the middle the media that works between different actors,
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  Speaker 1: the directors, what the script demands and what how do
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  Speaker 1: we get there. It's really great. So I'm talking to Nicole,
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  Speaker 1: I'm calling my friend, you know, uncle Clifford. Uncle Clifford,
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  Speaker 1: because if somebody who comes into your life super confident,
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  Speaker 1: but also it's surrounded by a world of people, not
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  Speaker 1: just women, but the world of people, customers who really
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  Speaker 1: don't don't know what. They live in a fantasy world,
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  Speaker 1: and sometimes that fantasy world can be cruel. But I
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  Speaker 1: would tell you this is what I really like about
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  Speaker 1: this show, p Valley. You see the word strip, you
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  Speaker 1: see the word black. You just think you're gonn to
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  Speaker 1: a ton of nudity, And that is not the case.
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  Speaker 1: It's the story, is the characters, is the is, the
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  Speaker 1: is the lateness the lines talk about that because that's
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  Speaker 1: what people initially think. Correct, The stereotype is when you
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  Speaker 1: just black club, chip club, here, nudity, new dig and
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  Speaker 1: that is not the case. I in fact, the nudity
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  Speaker 1: when I watched the series, it comes so casual that
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  Speaker 1: I don't notice it because I'm so engaged into the
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  Speaker 1: character's storyline. And that's really a blessing, correct Nicle, It's
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  Speaker 1: it's more than a blessing. I felt like it's a
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  Speaker 1: it's a necessity in the way that we had to
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  Speaker 1: tell the story. This is definitely I think that Tori
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  Speaker 1: really wanted to make sure that there's definitely the fact
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  Speaker 1: that women and female bodies have really been looked at
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  Speaker 1: and used in a certain way in cinema specifically and
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  Speaker 1: over sexualized. But here in this world, I think that
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  Speaker 1: there's something that we call the female days, and that's
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  Speaker 1: something that's always asked of people that the different directors
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  Speaker 1: that are coming on the show. That's something that we
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  Speaker 1: think about as a cast um and the female gaze
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  Speaker 1: that does not only pertain to the female body. But
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  Speaker 1: how is it that you can see the world without objectification? Um.
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  Speaker 1: I think that through that space you you get to
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  Speaker 1: see the athleticism of these pole danswers and to see
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  Speaker 1: what it takes to physically do the things that they
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  Speaker 1: are doing to haul themselves up this pole, to to
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  Speaker 1: to fly around, to walk on the ceiling and on
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  Speaker 1: clouds that's actually the big metaphor for the show, the pole,
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  Speaker 1: the poll. There's a line that always says, sometimes rising
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  Speaker 1: feels like falling, and falling feels like rising. So the
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  Speaker 1: poll is actually meant to be the metaphor for life
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  Speaker 1: and in a way that we as black people, especially
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  Speaker 1: black Southerners, have existed and made it through the day.
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  Speaker 1: We'll be right back with more Money Making Conversations Masterclass
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  Speaker 1: with Rushan McDonald. Now, let's return to Money Making Conversations
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  Speaker 1: Masterclass with Rashan McDonald or Nicole. He brought up the pole. Now, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'm chasing that key Shaw. Don't don't get too don't
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  Speaker 1: don't don't move too fast because I gotta get to
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  Speaker 1: them outstanding credit Shaw and Mercedes. Okay, but let's first
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  Speaker 1: go with Keyshaw. My my, my, my my. I'm just
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  Speaker 1: talking from an athletic stampon am I talking from a
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  Speaker 1: sexual stample? What I'm seeing that she does on that pole,
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  Speaker 1: it has to be moth dropping to the cast. And
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  Speaker 1: where did they find her? And what is her background
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  Speaker 1: as an athlete because she has that gymnastics in her background? Correct?
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  Speaker 1: Why do you say that because of the fact she's
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  Speaker 1: so comfortable on the pole. She's flexible, she's able to
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  Speaker 1: she's able to manipulate it because, like I said, I'm
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  Speaker 1: not doing it justice. You have to watch the series
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  Speaker 1: to see what she's able to do. As far as
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  Speaker 1: from a from a Ballaridas standpoint, she is really poet
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  Speaker 1: poetic on that pole, you know where where Mercedes is
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  Speaker 1: a force, not saying she's not sexual, but she's a force.
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  Speaker 1: Is It's like watching a running back and a wire receiver.
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  Speaker 1: A wire receiver flows, you know what I'm saying. That's key, Sean.
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  Speaker 1: A running back can flow too, but they can hit
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  Speaker 1: that whole and if you hit him, then you can
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  Speaker 1: knock you off. That's Mercedes. That's right. That's what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 1: That's right, So and so so. So you're gonna give me, Nicole.
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  Speaker 1: I know, yeah, you're gonna give me. I watched this show. Now,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not trying to get you know What's what? What's
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  Speaker 1: I love that you are actually saying that you you
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  Speaker 1: use the football metaphors and comparisons, and it definitely is
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  Speaker 1: accurate all of the dancers. The thing about it is
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  Speaker 1: in the strip club, every dancer has a different style.
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  Speaker 1: Some of the dancers are like twerkers, So like, there's
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  Speaker 1: a group of our core dancers and some of them
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  Speaker 1: run what in the club is called twerktown. In tworktown
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  Speaker 1: are like, you know, the platform stages that are within
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  Speaker 1: the actual club, not on the main stage with the
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  Speaker 1: pole and some of the girls who worked there like toy.
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  Speaker 1: But then when you talk about Miss Mississippi, who is
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  Speaker 1: played by Shannon Thornton, she is that character is meant
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  Speaker 1: to be like the masterpiece she's based off. She's called
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  Speaker 1: Miss Mississippi because she moves like water, and her moving
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  Speaker 1: like water is rooted in the African deity of Yema y'all,
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  Speaker 1: Yema y'all, being the goddess of water and of power.
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  Speaker 1: You know, Mercedes is that like you mentioned, Mercedes is
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  Speaker 1: played by Brandy Evans. I'm gonna say Brandy Norwood, Brandy,
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  Speaker 1: that's not not my friend and sing about my friend.
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  Speaker 1: The actors Miss Brandy Evans, and she her style of
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  Speaker 1: dancing is definitely much more athletic. It's definitely much more physical,
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  Speaker 1: and it also lends to the personality of the dancer.
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  Speaker 1: You know, where there's levels of aggression or where there's
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  Speaker 1: a level of fluidity. I think that dance being a choreographer,
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  Speaker 1: and Brandy being a dancer, and Shannon having dance before.
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  Speaker 1: None of them dance as uh, pole dancers, but we're
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  Speaker 1: physical dancers. Ell Rika Johnson who plays All the Night,
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  Speaker 1: she has an extensive background in martial arts, So there
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  Speaker 1: was a level of physicality that all of us had
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  Speaker 1: in our bodies. Then what has to happen is that
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  Speaker 1: we go through a training program. We go through boot camp.
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  Speaker 1: We literally go through bootcamp, just like all of the
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  Speaker 1: Marvel characters, just like we're gonna do an action movie.
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  Speaker 1: There's about three to four months before we actually start
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  Speaker 1: filming that everybody goes to pole classes. You're going to
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  Speaker 1: stretch classes. You gotta get your hips open, gotta get
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  Speaker 1: the back, you gotta do all the conditioning because it
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  Speaker 1: tears up your hands, your knees, you get a lot
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  Speaker 1: of bruising and things like that. Um and some of
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  Speaker 1: the girls are definitely sharing some of that background on
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  Speaker 1: social media that you know, you guys get to see
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  Speaker 1: a what it all takes. Because the show and the
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  Speaker 1: world is kind of meant to be our own kind
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  Speaker 1: of urban circus ol lay so to speak. Well, that
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  Speaker 1: terms used actually in the serious as well circus like
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  Speaker 1: and it's used the Mississippi. Her character Keyshawn's role because
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  Speaker 1: she's married to a guy, won't give too much of
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  Speaker 1: the story away. But somebody she shouldn't be. She shouldn't
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  Speaker 1: I should use were married. She said she's living with
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  Speaker 1: a guy who she has a child with is not
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  Speaker 1: creating a comfortable home life for her, and that they
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  Speaker 1: slides into the who I really love this guy who
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  Speaker 1: plays the role of Diamond. You know, it's like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: not often that. Did you see a show where the
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  Speaker 1: bouncer is sensitive but but dangerous? You know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 1: You know, you know, like I look at Diamond, you know,
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  Speaker 1: a diamond. You know, it's like I feel that I
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  Speaker 1: could lose his he could crush me, but then he
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  Speaker 1: can also pick me up and take me and rescue
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  Speaker 1: me at the same time after he's crushed me. You
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  Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Nicole, So talk about those characters.
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  Speaker 1: When you see a character like a Diamonds character and
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  Speaker 1: then then being able to develop out, how how special
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  Speaker 1: do you feel in the role from episode to episode
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  Speaker 1: to episode. I feel great, I feel blessed, I feel
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  Speaker 1: really uh, I know that this is a special term
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  Speaker 1: as an artist. UH, as an actor, you don't always
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  Speaker 1: get roles that are so rich and that are really
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  Speaker 1: rooted in a level of truth that represents your community,
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  Speaker 1: that can represent a fraction of your life that you
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  Speaker 1: have been through. I think that this show, it definitely
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  Speaker 1: takes all the different marginalized communities all and the marginalized
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  Speaker 1: within the marginalized. You know. One of the beautiful things
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  Speaker 1: and attractive points to me about this project is that
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  Speaker 1: it wasn't just the women who come in and out
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  Speaker 1: these doors. You talked about the bouncer, our Diamond. UM.
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  Speaker 1: That's the character's name, and Diamond is played by Tyler Lepley,
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  Speaker 1: and Tyler is able to bring the level of sensitivity
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  Speaker 1: as well as complexity to the role coming as a
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  Speaker 1: former um UH armed officer, the officer in the of
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  Speaker 1: the law but armed forces UM and what that did
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  Speaker 1: to him being in the war and that that postpartum
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  Speaker 1: that comes from there. UM. I think that it's also
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  Speaker 1: he's he's a route man, you know, he's a black
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  Speaker 1: man and a Southern man that was raised in knowing
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  Speaker 1: the powers of the earth and very strong African medicine.
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  Speaker 1: UM and how that works, and sometimes you don't get
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  Speaker 1: to see that in an urban body, you know, in
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  Speaker 1: a contemporary body, like what does that look like? You know,
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  Speaker 1: it's not some kind of who do hokey magic. It
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  Speaker 1: is literally something that's rooted in tradition, like have you
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  Speaker 1: ever swept your grandmother slip by mistake? You know what
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  Speaker 1: I'm saying. So that salt goes over the show. You know,
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  Speaker 1: left left, the person on the floor, person on the floor,
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  Speaker 1: get that, you know exactly those things so um that
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  Speaker 1: those kinds of things and southern Southern uh isms are
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  Speaker 1: woven into this story and that actually is a part
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  Speaker 1: of where Cotroy started her writing. Her writing has always
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  Speaker 1: used and highlighted Southern culture and all of its capacities
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  Speaker 1: to make it so here here's the thing that really
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  Speaker 1: First of all, I'm a former sitcom writer. I've done
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  Speaker 1: a lot of productions in my life. It's definitely a
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: show that about to do ultimate compliment. The writing, the
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: dialogue is incredible. I mean, this is this is just
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: that writing room are The writers on the show have
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: created a world that is so authentic that is incredible,
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: and that when I when I when I when I
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: look like a little Murder. I'm waiting for his music,
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: you know it is, so I'm waiting when is it
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: gonna draw? Are they going to drop a CD for this?
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: Are they a soundtrack for this? Yes? Yes, they literally have.
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: We have. Uh it's on all platforms right now. It
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: goes episode by episode, so there every time there's new music,
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: it is out there. And it's not only the music
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: of the character on this show, like Little Murder, but
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: the music of the Southern artists that we have gotten
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: to be on the soundtrack. The show literally is meant
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: to be a platform for the community. I think that's
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: something that a lot of people were a little shocked by.
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: But even one of our writers that writes music for
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: a Little Murder, the artist's name is new Money. Money
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: is a brother. New Money is a brother. He was
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: working with us during season one and you know what
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: he was doing. He was working at the food station.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: He was making our omelets. He was making in One
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: morning we were there getting our breakfast, and you know,
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: he told our found Jay Fons Nicholson, who is the
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: actor who plays a Little Murder, and he had told her.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: He was like, yo, man, I know you're playing a
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: rock on the show. You know, I got some music.
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: I got some music. So we got some music. Oh
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: that's what's up. That's what's because people say that to
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: you all the time. And so what happened was he
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: handed him and he sent him some music. He uh,
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: you know, deemed them the music or whatever. Our farns
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: went to gonna listen to the music. He heard it,
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: he played it for one of our producers, Patrick Patrick
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: Ian Polk, one of the k EPs. He then for
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: that Entpretory Hall, and before you knew it, the song
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: was worked in. He was brought on board. He's a writer.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: And here we are in season two and this brother's
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: life has changed. So again, just like I got put
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: on with this project through a level of networking across
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: from knowing Dominique Marie So someone who I went to
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: high school with. She then knowing Coutre Hall, who was
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: someone she's in a writer's uh program with at the
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: Lark Theater And here I am and then Antoine a
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: k a new money. He was just getting a job,
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: just get a job, but still connected to your passion
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: speaking it. That then turned into something where he now
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: as a writer and a musician himself has elevated his platform,
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: and it's bringing all this music to you. You know,
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: it's just it just it's a testament to how we
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: can move back to the community. I'll change that the
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: music is fantastic, that the characters are fantastic. You know,
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: when you say Grandmall, I'll be remissed, Nicole, if I
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: don't bring up Okay, I've really remiss if I don't
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: bring up that character. Bro. I just come on, come on.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: That's my girl right there. Man. You know, she started
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: on Netflix's Family Union and so many other series. You know,
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: been around up, came from the University of Houston. We're
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: back in Houston, Texas, back in the day. A k
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: A true and true tell us absolutely my friend. I've
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: used to Texas absolutely so seeing her and seeing her
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: play this this this uh this role which is as
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: is Isaiah Washington who was on the first season. He's
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: from Houston, Texas, Missouri City, which is a suburb of Houston, Texas.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: So to talk about that relationship and her character. Working
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: with Loretta divine, I always say, is simply divine. Um.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: I had on a vision board to work with her,
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: and I didn't know what project. You know, this was
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: just something that I just always loved her spirit and
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: her zeal um. When I met her it was even more.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: It was even more. She is such a rich treasure,
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: like she's like a national treasure to to to us
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: as a people. I can't, I can't. I wanted to
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: just say to me, but I don't want to hold
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: her to myself. Um, when we work together, it is awesome.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: It is so much fun. We always have a level.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: I tend to do this generally when I'm playing Uncle Clifford.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of improv that happens prior to We
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: always do improv scenes prior to the scene to get
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: us in the flow, because we just want to be
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: in the moment um. I am from Detroit, as you
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: mentioned earlier, but my family is rooted in the South.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: You know, Detroit is just nothing but up south, you know. So,
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: so there's a level of comfortability that we have with
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: one another, and we really just bounce off and she's
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: able to really just be there and drop in. Sometimes
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: we are actually forget that, you know, we're not really
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: related in real life. You know, She's amazing. I'm talking
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: to Nicole. He's one of the stars and an incredibly
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: popular series of stars that were called The p Valley.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: You can catch it every Sunday night at Tempi. I'm
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: Eastern and Pacific time. I always try to educate myself.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: I always try to uplift. I always trying to bring
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: information to the show that we all need to be
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: aware of and also learned. There's a level of respect
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: we have to have for everybody. And in your introduction,
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: I said, he just he demystifies the myth around Southern
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: black man, black gay man and those identified in the
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: non binary space and who lived four lives us. As
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: we close out this interview, please explain to us exactly
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: the importance of that and what are you trying to
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: What am I trying to say when I say that
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: what I just said, I think what you are saying
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: to me. How I receive it is that it is
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: a new day. It is a time where we regardless
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: of how you identify, I think at the time when
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: we can see all of us, when we can acknowledge
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: all of us, and when we can talk about it. Um.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: I come from the time from when it used to
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: be the question of are you sweet or do you
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: have sugar in your tank? Or back in the day,
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: even red some said from the side, he was like,
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: you know, he's a little You know, there were things
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: that people always talked about. And I think that the
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: importance of today is that we really get to be
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: able to meet each other human being to human being.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: The character that I play Uncle Clifford is non binary,
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: and that's a person who is equally accepting of all
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: of the things that cannot be held into a restrictive box.
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: And I think when you have a question of how
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: someone identifies you, simply do that you can ask. That
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: is the level of respect. Because one of the things
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: I find with play Uncle Clifford that no matter who
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: you are or where you come from, you respect her.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: I think you respect her because you see her. So
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: you see this body that is six too. You see
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: this dark skin, these fool that you see this beard,
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: but you see this pretty face, and you see these nails,
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: and you're like, what's going on? But you see someone
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: walking with the level of confidence and clarity even more so,
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: and it's not even about any kind of bravado, you
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: know what I mean? I think because when you see
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: a woman that is walking in her full femininity, I
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: don't think that she has to be soft, or she
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: has to be in a pants suit to have authority.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: You know I'm saying what I mean. And you don't
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: think that a brother that he has to be wearing
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: a move to be in touch with his feelings. You
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: can be who you are in your sweatpants and your
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: athletic socks, in your business suit, in your MoU all
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: of the things come on, come on, especially for us
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: as a community. I feel so proud for this moment, honestly, brother,
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: because there are people who still have high levels of homophobia,
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: absolutely for sure. But what I do know about this
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: ton that I'm living in and its project, is that
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: there are people who are willing to make a change,
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: that are opening their minds, that are opening their their
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: minds not only to the l g B t Q
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: plus community, in the full spectrum that we have, you know,
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: between bisexual, pan sexual trends as well as pan sexual.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: You know that I like it all. I think that
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: I think that people have really stigmatized sex workers and
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: pole dancers for so long, and then they watch this
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: program and they're like, Oh, they're real people just like me.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: They're going they're working their way through school, they're taking
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: care of their children, or they're helping their their grandparents,
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: their caretakers. You know, you can go to the dentists
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: and you not know that your dentists used to be
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: up on the pole, or your dentists used to be
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: diamond at a club. We all have a history, but
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: we also have the power to read right our future right. Absolutely,
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: But Nico, I want to thank you. First of all,
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: I want to give you a voice. I wanted to
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: say thank you for allowing me to be entertained every Sunday.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: And if I miss it on Sunday, I see it
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: don't repeat on my streaming. But well, you know, the
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: thing I like it as we close this interview out
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: is that your character is not over the top. It's
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: a character I found very realistic, you know. And but
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: you just playing who you are, And I think that's
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: what you just said, just being the person who you are.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: It doesn't have to be a dressed a certain way.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: You can were You're the same person in a in
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: a cool locks, you're the same person. And short, you're
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: the same person. Address you same person a suit, same
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: person with the blood wig. You're the same person. It's
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: just being administered in a different look. And that's the
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: exciting part about this show is that p Valley is
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: a show with a different look, is set in a
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: small town, fictional city in Mississippi. The music is great,
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: the acting is great, the drama is great. More importantly,
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: you will fall in love with the characters. If you
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: can't find stars network, find it opp that app But
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: importantly on Sunday Night, dropped it app so you can
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: see this show. Thank you for taking the time to
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: come on Money Making Conversation master Class. You are a star,
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: and not only on P valid but you're just a
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: star in real life. Thank you, my friend, Thank you.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: I appreciate it. We'll be right back with more money
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: Making Conversations Masterclass with Rushan McDonald. You are now tuned
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: into the Money Making Conversations Minute of Inspiration with Rushan McDonald. Hi,
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: I'm Sean McDonald for Money Making Conversations with your daily
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: minute of Inspiration. This week I sat down with artists, author,
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: co owner Reach Records, and Three Strands Films partner L Craig.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: He discusses the purpose of his new YouTube series Protected Bag,
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: not waiting on opportunities, and starting his own production company.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: Yes So Reach Records is an independent label. Man. I've
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  Speaker 1: been doing this since I was a kid, you know,
• 29:49
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• 29:52
  Speaker 1: over fifteen years of of running a successful label. By
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: Guy's grace, we've always been profitable. And that's just a
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: beautiful thing. One of the things that I would say
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: is is UH, I realized early on I was not
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: gonna sit around and wait for uh somebody to embrace
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: what I was doing. If you want to listen to
• 30:15
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• 30:21
  Speaker 1: Conversations Masterclass with Rashan McDonald. Welcome to Money Making Conversation Masterclass.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: I'm your host, Rashan McDonald. I recognized that we all
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: have different definition of success for you and may be
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: the size of your paycheck. Mine is aspiring people to
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: accomplish their goals and live their very best life. It's
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: time to stop reading other people's success stories to start
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: writing your own. People always talk about their purpose or gift.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: If you have a gift, leave with your gifts. You
• 30:46
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• 30:49
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• 30:55
  Speaker 1: Her name is Felicia d. Henderson. She's tarted a Hollywood
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• 31:10
  Speaker 1: is the Shower, executive producer and head writer of the
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: action field romantic drama First Killed, premiering on Netflix June tenth,
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: to show pitts of family of vampires who are white
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: against the family of monster hunters who are black. She's
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: also developing the World War two drama Avenger Field for Peacock.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: The series stars Renee Zeger as Jackie Cochran, who co
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  Speaker 1: founded the school, who co found in the US Army
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  Speaker 1: Felicia D. Henderson. How you do Felicia Hi god Worthy,
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  Speaker 1: how are you doing well? You know? For you right
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  Speaker 1: just after them on the East coast. I knew US coast,
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: you know, but you was out here on the west coast,
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: East coast doing Atlanta, Savannah, doing this amazing series called
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: First Kill. That was that was interesting because of the
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: fact that you know, this is a cool play on race.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: It's a cool play on kind of like a Romeo
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: and Juliet play on romance. But how did the concept
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: come to you? Thank you? And UM, I love it
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: you say it's a cool play on these things. UM,
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: because well, first, I'm gonna start with answering your question, UM,
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: but why did this same to me? As Victoria Schwab
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: also known as b. E. Schwab in her writing UM
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: wrote a short story called First Kill and it's part
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: of an anthology UM called Vampires Never Died and Um
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: the Netflix liked it and hired her then to adapt
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: it into TV show. So she wrote the pilot's script
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: and then UM, Netflix called my manager and asked me
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: to read it. And I was like, no, my cup,
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: runneth over right. I don't have time for something new.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: And he said, you just have to read it. And
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: I think two or three times I was like nope,
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: and I'm finally He's like for me, you know, you
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: have long time manager, longtime relationships. They get you for me.
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: So I read it and I was like, I'm in
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: let's set the meeting up and um and I. So
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: I loved it, and that's how I've ben took the
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: meeting with Netflix, met with Victoria, met with the folks
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: at Belatrice uh Um, the other producers, and decided to
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: come aboard. Never lets you where were you at with
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: the development of the project, with the project already in
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: motion or you were the early creative stages casting world.
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: I want to aise to really get a full take
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: of what first kill when you would introduce because you said,
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: you know four times, so I knew they were moving
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: along while you were saying no, sitting there, I'll thinking, well,
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: no act truly because to Netflix is credit. They really
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: realized they needed a voice like mine in the room.
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: And I really appreciate that they knew that this cast
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: is one it is um black, you know, um and so,
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: and it is also at the center has two young women.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: So they really realized this was something that was missing,
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: you know, from where they were so far creatingly. So
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: what they had was Victoria's script, but they really had
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: not moved forward because they were looking for basically and
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: um so from the very beginning, um, you know, I
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: got to take a look at the script and at
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: what I know about cultural specificity to those characters. Um
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: and and then from there I got to hire my
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: writing staff, and you know, then from there at a
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: group oh and higher than the director, and then as
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: a group we started the tasting process. Um and um
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: so all of that. You know, some like Jason Moore,
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: who plays Jack Burns, was an actor that I worked
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: with on The Punisher, to my Love, so he started
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: look familiar. I thought it looked familiar. I know this
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: guy from Punishing with one of my favorites. That's right, Yeah,
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: that's from The Punisher. You know, I need him and
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: so you know, um so it just started like that.
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: You know. Juliet, the Juliet of Fairmont, who was played
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: by Sarah Catherine Hook, was the first hired. We really
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: thought we were going to have a hard time finding
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: the right through we had, so that's where we started,
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: you know, and outstanding, by the way, outstanding, and he
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: had cal was also had shared the romantically who was
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: African American, and so the whole process when I look
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: at this series, you know, you know, you have to
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: be sensitive because, like I said, I can, I can
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: should down and say I'm a very talented writer, but
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: you have a you have a world that is gay
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: and lesbian. Okay, from a writer's perspective, did you was
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: your was your writer's room balanced like that to be
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: able to handle that conversation? Now that's a good question.
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: Rashan Um. You know, I'm a big believer that the
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: writer's room should have the experience that you're depicting on
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: the screen, so you know somebody in that room. And again,
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: you can't always have that. Obviously, if you're doing a
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: show about aliens, you don't have alien you know, but
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: you have someone in there who knows aliens more than
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: anybody else, is an alien expert, you know what I mean.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: So I thought it was very important that And I
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: also having had the experience of being the only black
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: writer in a room that might have a show that
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: might have one or two black characters, And so I've
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: had that experience where then they come to you and
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: every time there's something for the black character to do,
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: you know, they just got so when you do that,
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: And so I also wanted to make sure there wasn't
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: just one queer person in the room who everybody was
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: looking at going and now we turned to you as
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: the queer expert because you know, it's like like all experiences,
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: there's no such thing as a monolithic experience or whatever
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: it is that you are. And so it was important
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: to me to have you know, men and women queer
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: writers in the room. It was important to me to
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: have black writers because more than to have white writers,
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: it was important, you know, for all the experiences that
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: I thought we were going to be depicted, right, honestly,
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: there are no vampires. And I'm speaking to Felisha d Handens,
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: so one of the top sitcom and dramatic writers and
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: film writers in Hollywood, and her new series First First Kill,
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: like I said, as as our action field romantic drama,
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: and there's eight episodes long and the premiers June team
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: and I'm an advocate. I you know, I get special
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: access because you know who I am. So I got
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: to be able to binge watch, so four episodes on
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: four episodes on Saturday. And that's how four episodes on
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: on Sunday. I called her in the middle because we
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: are have a great relationship with long term friends and
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: just told her I loved it. And that's just why
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: I would tell you why I loved it, because first
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: of all, it was engaging. It was it was entertaining,
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: it was it misled me in a good way, you know,
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: because I'm gonna know it all I think. And that's
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: that's good writing, you know, that's good storytelling that you're engaged.
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: And so when you look at it when you're developing
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: these characters, because because you have these these monster hunters
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: and then you have these vampires, they don't know each other,
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: and then you're trying to create a relationship, and what
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: what came out of it was a parenting story. Correct. Yeah,
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: it really wasn't very much about the family and m
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: getting the opportunity to compare, you know, two very different
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: households because you have warring families there that Populace and
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: the Monogue for all intents and purposes, and so you
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: get to go inside both of these young women's homes
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: and see how the fact that they now want to
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: do what they want to do as opposed to what
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: they were raised to do, and see how each set
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: of parents deal with the fact that their their child
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: is not doing what they're told, and so in that
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: way we tried very much um to have those experienced
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: that part of the experience being incredibly normal because everyone
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: who's a parent knows what it's like when you say
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: go left and your child goes right. That's incredibly universal.
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: So in that part, it's like, it is time for
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: you to do what you're told. You're sixty, now you're
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: But the thing that's different is like it's time for
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: you to go your vampire, so it's time to go
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: for your first kill. But how you're dealing with the idea,
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: do what you're told, grow up and be like your family.
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: That's of both girls are being told big like your family.
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: You know, girls on their own road because because you
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: dealing with the reason I say it's a really good
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: parenting story because like our parents, we know how to
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: make decisions and we feel our life is hid in
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: the right direction. Juliet's father is a d A. The
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: setting is Savannah, Georgia, which has that like you know,
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: Savannah has that little is next to New Orleans. It
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: has that little voodoo type vampire something's happening in the
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: swamps type area app at look background look to it.
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: And then you have these master Hunters who are at
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: the top of the gil. You know, they're they're the best.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: They were brought into Savannah because they are here to
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: do their job. So these are the parents d a
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: successful lead Master Hunters. Then they have two daughters who
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: are teens at that right age where they feel they
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: are kind of grown, but they're not grown. That's what
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: stood out to be the most in your writing room
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: that you created with First Kill. What were just some
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: of the fun journeys that y'all head putting each episode together?
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, we have so much fun. And you
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: know one of the things you said earlier about I
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: always say when I'm putting the writing writer's room together,
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: as Sean, I don't really need anyone who thinks like me.
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: I already think like so I'm not one of those
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: who tries to get a whole bunch of people who
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: you know are gonna say, yes, you're brilliant. I also
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: say my goal is to always be, you know, the
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: dumbest person in the room, and I am really freaking smart,
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: so that I am trying to, you know, elevate myself.
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to elevate the material. When I bring this
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: group together, and Victorian and I still have the ongoing
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: battle all fun that. She's like, well, you know there
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: are no such thing as straight vampires. What are you
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: talking about? So we have this ongoing battle about all
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: vampires being clear. No, Victoria, I were a vampire, I'd
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: be a straight vampire. She's like, no, you wouldn't because
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: of your vampire you were. We have these kind of
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: fun conversations and then just people talking about as you know,
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: the other writers in the room who are parents, like
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: what they would do if their daughter did this thing?
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: And so you know, I had my second my Coe
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: is a mother of four children, and I'm like, well,
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: what would you do? Joyce like drown him? I was like,
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: what's like, my child do something other than what I
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: told him to do. So you have that kind of
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: fun stuff, and then you have the fun conversations about
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: building the mythology, because the room really built that mythology,
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: you know, from Whole Cloth, where the short story that
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: Victoria wrote leaves off. The short story is kind of
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: the pilot. We do the short story in the pilot,
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: and then we have to create an entire series. And
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: so being in that room and deciding to what the
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: guild would look like, what would be the rules of
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: the guild. How do you get into the you know,
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: where do these you know, legacy vampires come from? What
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: is their mythology? He's the biggest, baddest one. And to
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: also be doing that where you unapologetically within our mythology,
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: the legacy vampires. You know, it's a matriarchy. So to
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: talk about strong women getting to do you know, what
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: we do and happen being unapologetic about that because that's
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: in the mythology, it's just all very cool. Well, the
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: interesting thing about the series First Killers is preparation. Okay,
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: because a lot of people there was a lot of action,
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: lots of scenes. So how did that work out? Okay?
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: Was there a period for training action training before we
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: started production? And how did that production want to work
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: when you're doing a series like that that is romantic
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: but it's very heavy action field and because the stuff
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: you after you're doing can't lead to injuries, so you
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: can't just go out and add libit. So talk about
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: that was you know you did the honestor so you
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: used to violence, you know, violence on the street, so
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: can't get no more violent than furniture. But then this
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: is your personal project that the purpose purpose violence. Yeah, yeah,
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: I would tell you that before you asked that question.
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: The fun part about this series is that you have
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: the vampires who are somewhat invincible, okay, and then you
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: have a young African American girl her name is cal
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: on the show, and she is can be harmed, she
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: can be hurt, she's vulnerable, she's a human, and that
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: carries an emotion for you throughout the series of fear
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: that something can go wrong. And that is really key
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: in this series for me as a watcher, going don't
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: go there, don't come on now, don't be stupid. Then,
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: and so that was the that was the whole training process.
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: I'm just telling you I enjoyed it as a viewer
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: but also as a friend. Congratulations, Thank you so much
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: for Sean. I really really appreciate that because I'm know
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: that you are a very critical watcher. You're a very
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: critical viewer. I know that very well. So and then
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: a lot to me to get that Sunday afternoon, Paul
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: from you going I'm in. I also know you to
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: be a very honest guy, so you would tell me
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: I'm not in really really hard. Um. You know, everyone did.
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: And I will tell you the two brothers. You know, Um,
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: from the time that the actors arrived, they went into
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: training with the stuff Apo and THEO. Yes, yes, Apolo
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: Burns and Dominick Goodman place uh Apollo and Philip Mullins
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: Junior plays THEO and they're both in incredible shape, and
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: so it became a competition between them and they ended
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: up being thickest things. Like they really did have that
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: brotherly relationship and um. But they were like they were
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: just always competitive with each other. And of course, particularly
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: dominic was always asking can he do that stunt? You know,
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: we also have stump performers, but he would often want
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: to do that stunt and I do that, Like, no,
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: you cannot. But they did their own stunts because they came,
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: you know, ready to work that hard and um. And
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: of course Amani Louis, she's a natural athlete as well,
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: who places the life he burned, So they all there's
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: natural athletes who already came with bodies ready, and then
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: they worked really hard and wanted to everybody wanted it
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: to just look really authentic, and so they worked really
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: hard to make sure that it did, and I was
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: just I was so so proud of them. It's the
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: best past. They just all came and gave a every
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: single day have to you know, battling COVID. Okay, you
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: know that it's not a normal time. When this production
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: was happening, people mashed up and you know, be tested.
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: How did that play a role in frustration and this
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: duction at the time it was going on it But
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: on the screen you don't see that. All you see
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: is a final result. No, you don't see those extra
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: twenty hours a day that you know I was working
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: because of COVID and that we started before there were vaccines,
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: so you know it was but Netflix have very strict
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: policies to keep us safe, and I was very strict
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: about them, and you know I gave just I'm the
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: set to let it every all the cast and the
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: po we will be following this protocol because I promised
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: my family I'm coming home as healthy as I left,
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: and so we were very strict about it. But it
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: did mean you know that it took longer because we
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: could only work at shorter days to give people masks
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: breaks since those things get get overwhelming when you're wearing
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: them twelve hours a day and all of that kind
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: of thing. You know. So it was the only ever
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: frustrations that I ever had had to do with the
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: challenge of, you know, producing this show during very challenging times.
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: The actually you know, creative side of it was wonderful,
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: amazing and fun, you know, every day. And because everyone
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: was working so hard, um, it made the stuff that
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: made it difficult, like working during COVID, you could get
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: through it because we were all a team trying to
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: make it. We'll be right back with more Money Making
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: Conversations Masterclass with Rushan McDonald. Now let's return to Money
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: Making Conversations Masterclass with Rashan McDonald. There's an interesting question,
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: Felicia about the series. You know, because you know you
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: you got you got eight episodes here, you know, you
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: you go, you you put it on the wall, you
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: try to develop his ar kind of characters connect and
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: all this stuff. When did you feel at that point, go,
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: I got it, and then you felt that magical moment
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: this is special. I got it. That's one response and
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: then this is special. Um. I think that I have
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: to give a lot of love and big props to
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: Jet Wilkinson our director, um Jet just oh my god,
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: you know, and I met her on The Punishers when
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: we first worked together. She directed an episode I wrote,
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: and we just really clicked. And she was the first
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: one person that I thought of, you know, because she
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: had to be a woman. I thought it had to
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: be a woman with the kind of experience that she
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: has um in terms of doing you know, action, and
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: she happens to also be so she's kick ass. And
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: then she happens to be a queer woman, so Jet
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: and a woman of color. So she brought all of
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: that to bear on this and um watching her work,
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: you know that you have you just go, oh my god,
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: I can't believe what we're accomplishing in these conditions. But
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: when I really felt for Shaun like we've got it,
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: I was in editing, you know. It took me seeing
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: it all being put together and then the visual effects added,
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: and then Kurt far Far to write that killer score.
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: You know. Enough whos love the music so much that
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: there is a soundtrack coming out with the score. We
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: have two official playlists of the music from the show,
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: all being dropped on Friday, June tenth, um when the
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: show drops. So it was seeing it all together going,
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: I am so proud of this, Like I knew when
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: I saw it all the like that feeling of like
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: I know this is good, and I know this is good.
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: I know we're speaking to a lot of people. I
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: know people are gonna enjoy it, and they're gonna learn
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: something and they're going to appreciate we're talking to Felicia D. Henderson.
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: She's the executive producer, the showrunner, the head writer of
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: the exciting action field romantic drama owned Netflix premier June
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: tent is called First Kill. One of the things I've
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: always admired about Felicia D. Henderson is her ability to
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: pivot if she's if she's not a person that you
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: if you're holding hands walking down the road, though she
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: might veer off, so holy tight, Holy tight, because you
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: actually who in her direction if she sees an opportunity
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: that she's comfortable with. And that's that's what a lot
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: of people don't do. They get fear stops him from shifting.
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: How does it allow before I go into the Renee
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: their winger project, how does that walking through silences? Some
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: people say walking up, willing to come through, go through
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: doctors to come out and potentially into the light. How
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: do you how do you pull that off? Felicia? Um,
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: you know what, I think that I have an interesting
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: relationship with fear um and that a lot of times.
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: Even my younger sister we once had an argument and
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: she goes, well, I'm not like you. You know, you're
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: not afraid of anything. And I asked, said her, actually,
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: I'm afraid all the time. I just moved despite my fear,
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: and UM, I'm not gonna ever let it control me.
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: And I also am a person who I am all.
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: I'm just naturally inquisitive. So if I haven't done something before, um,
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: if something looks interesting, too interesting to me, I always
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: believe I can do it. So I'm like, I want
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: to try that thing. I love trying new things. I'm
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: at a point in my career that I only want
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: to choose things that are significant in some way to
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: me and my uplifting my race and my up women
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: and my uplifting um groups that are not um you know,
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: represented well or not enough. And you know, first my
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: job always is too entertain but while entertained, I want
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: to be fed myself on that a place where I
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: want to be fed. So I'm always looking for what
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: haven't I done that then could be interesting to me?
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: And um, it's always scary petenue if you don't know
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: what you're doing. But I take my full and whole
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: self goin, let's go, you know. So it's a little fearful.
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: I go anyway, and then once I make that leap,
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: my eye is only on the goal. So no matter
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: what happens, like with production on First Kill, you would
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: be amazed at all that went wrong if I had
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: time to tell you. And you know, people are like, oh,
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: it's time to shut down or we're never gonna make it.
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: It's time. And I don't talk to those people, right
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: because I didn't come here to shut down, you know
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: what I mean. I came here to do a show.
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: I will not leave until that show is done now,
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: so that lens us to shift over to another exciting
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: project's coming up. You know, when you look at the
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: streaming and the cable and the first I only had,
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: like I had a Direct TV and then I had Comcast.
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: If the Direct TV, if the rain came too hard,
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: you the direct TV went away. So I was that
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: Comcast sitting over there. Okay, I'm still watch TV. Okay,
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: Unfortunately for me, I've just over the Comcast. It's part
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: of Peacock. So if you have Comcasts, you will get Peacocks.
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: And so that means that I don't I have to buy.
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: Already got Apple anywhere. I already got Disney Plus anyway,
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: I alway got a Hulu anyway. I already got HBO
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: Plus because I got the Disney, because I got Direct TV.
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: So this is old Peacock. It's called Avenger Field. It
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: starts an incredibly talented actress. When you're able to work
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: with talent like that, you know you go because you're
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: going from a very talented cruel. We are not no
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: no dispersion unknown talent, you know. So I have excellent
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: resumes to a bona fide, well known actress and res
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: age zell Winker. That's where these projects being developed for
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: talk about making that transition and how do you look
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: at it differently? Um, you know what you try your
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: best once you take it, and you say, you know,
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: you try to bring your a game and anything you
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: do right, But I certainly do. And so once I
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: say I'm gonna bring you know, writing and producing are
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: just the gifts that God decided I should have. So
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: the way I say thank you for that is I
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: bring my a game. I work as hard as I can,
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: and so I want to be worthy of, you know,
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: having been given the gift, and I want to be
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: worthy of you know, a two time Oscar winning actress's ability. Right,
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: So that's where I start. But once I do that,
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