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E53: Confronting P*rnstars on the Whatever Podcast w/ Ruslan · The Lila Rose Show

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  What are we setting people up for?
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  Are we setting people up? Choose purpose over pleasure and
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  live a life of honoring God with your body so that the actual
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  thing you will want when you're in your 30s or 40s, which is a
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  family you can actually have and thrive.
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  In it's just hard when your circle is people didn't live
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  that way. They don't think it's normal
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  when you're in it. It seems so foreign.
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  I totally can see that. But it also is so natural when
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  you're in it. It's like, yeah, we don't have
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  sex before marriage. Like that's that's our culture.
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  We don't do that, you know? Hey guys, welcome back to the
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  Lila Rose podcast. Today I'm going to sit down with
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  my good friend Ruslan KD. He's an amazing YouTube.
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  He has been on the podcast before.
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  Last time he was on, he talked about his amazing story of
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  coming to the United States as an immigrant as a young kid.
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  He talked about his conversion story.
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  We talked about red pill, masculinity, femininity.
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  Today we're going to talk about how we were both on the Whatever
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  podcast recently debating people involved in the pornography
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  industry. We're going to talk about our
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  takeaways from that. We're also going to talk about
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  media, sexual morality at large in our culture, how things are
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  shifting. And we also talk about
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  fundamentalism and why people, some of them raised in
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  fundamentalist households, go on to reject how they were raised
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  entirely and become maybe far left politically and that
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  phenomenon in connection with evangelicalism and Catholicism.
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  Thanks for coming back on the podcast, Ruslan.
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  I'm back. I'm flattered.
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  Whenever I'm asked to come back, that means that the first one
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  went. People loved it.
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  You're like the YouTube star, so you're crushing it on YouTube.
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  Yeah, that was a fun conversation.
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  It was a. Conversation.
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  Yeah. So I'm glad to be back.
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  Good. Well, we were just on the
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  Whatever podcast, so we're going to talk about that.
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  And I think when we talked, it was now two or three months ago,
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  maybe three. It was one of my first episodes
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  actually with this whole podcast exploration thing, which is very
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  exciting. And you've since blown up.
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  We're growing, thank, thank God. Yeah, we've got amazing
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  listeners who are really engaged.
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  It's really exciting. Some great sponsors.
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  So I'm I'm having a blast. But we're we're in your
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  footsteps person following you in your footsteps.
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  But when we first talked, we were talking about your story,
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  which is amazing. And then we were talking about
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  red pill and I was kind of asking you what is this red pill
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  thing? Because I was getting my first
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  sort of understanding of it at the time and I think there's
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  been a lot of water under the bridge over the last few months,
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  even just going on whatever a few times and.
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  How many times have you been on? Whatever.
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  Three times. Three times and you helped get
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  Trent Horn. Yes, on whatever.
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  Which was amazing. Horn crushed it.
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  He crushed it. He did a very good job.
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  Did an amazing job that was I think arguably the best pro-life
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  debate that I've ever seen. I like obviously yours with
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  Brenda from Goddess Grey, but she just wasn't very prepared.
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  She's not. I think her position is more put
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  everything on the wall and she would stick.
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  Destiny has a very specific position which is actually
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  unique for a pro abortion advocate.
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  And so that makes it, I think a more deeply engaging debate.
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  So I thought it was really so. Kudos to you for immersing
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  yourself all the way into the red pill space.
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  You're like a household name now.
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  Oh, I. Don't know.
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  I mean is is whatever like red pill?
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  Is that like the official? I would say so, yeah, I would
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  say like the fresh and fit, the fresh and fit and whatever.
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  And I would say now that Fresh and Fit is demonetized on
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  YouTube, I'm not sure if you saw that.
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  Development. I think I saw that.
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  Yeah, yeah. So they got demonetized on
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  YouTube, all their channels, all their clips channels,
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  everything. I think we're going to see
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  whatever be the central hub for. All wow.
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  Why were they? Why was Fresh and Fit
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  demonetized? They were demonetized for
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  probably a plethora of reasons. What most people are suspecting
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  is that they had Nick Fuentes on.
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  Who's a white nationalist. Like overtly isn't.
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  He overly anti-Semitic. Yes, overly anti-Semitic,
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  overtly racist towards black people thinks that all black
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  people are a standard deviation lower on the IQ than white
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  people which which is 15 points. So like if the average IQ is 15
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  he thinks all black people are at 14 which is which is crazy.
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  That's a crazy position to hold because it's just not scientific
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  in the least. Anyway, so he was on there a
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  bunch of times and then they got into a back and forth with ABBA
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  and preach and did some Myron basically dressed up in like
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  what looked like a hood and did like a bunch of like fairly
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  overtly racist stuff and like the Hitler salute and with Nick
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  Funes on the stream. And it was just it was just a
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  mess. And then they were already in
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  hot water because they sent a bunch of cease and desist to
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  content ID strikes and YouTube was already didn't like that and
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  then had to pull back. And so anyway, they were there
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  was already controversy there. So I think now that they're kind
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  of, I don't say they're fading and they're not relevant because
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  they're huge, but they're not going to be the main hub for
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  that. So I think whatever is becoming
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  the the staple. Honestly, those guys clearly
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  have talent, right? I mean, they're good at
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  understanding how to engage people, but it just seems like a
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  waste of talent to spend it on racism, sexism, misogyny,
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  whatever it is. Like why that's I mean, I think
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  about the Nick Fuentes guys. I've obviously heard of him
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  before and and seen and it's just like, you know, the
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  anti-Semitism, it's like this is a, you know, there's a real
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  threat to Jewish people even in the last century.
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  That's extraordinary. I mean, what happened during the
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  Holocaust and the lack of sort of seriousness with which they
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  take not just other people, but themselves.
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  You know, it's it's a it's a tragedy to me.
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  I mean, it's obviously offensive and wrong and stuff, but it's
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  like it's just a lack a loss of talent.
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  Like you could use your talents for good things, you know.
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  So maybe that will happen. Who knows?
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  You know, anything can happen. But yeah, it might be a wake up
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  call. For it would be interesting to
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  see how the space shapes out now because people have seen the
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  Sneak OS and the Andrew Tates. All these guys have distanced
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  themselves from the community, the main hub.
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  Because of the racism. No, they're probably more unlike
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  because they're Muslim now and they see how incoherent of a
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  position it is to say the way we bring back traditional marriage
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  is by telling guys to increase their notch count, right?
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  Like it's such a backwards position.
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  And so Sneako got into a big debate with Rallo and that was a
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  big mess. Sneako was on the Sneako and
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  Destiny were on one side of the debate.
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  Really interesting. That's awesome.
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  And they were debating against like some of these prescriptions
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  from the Red Pill on fresh and Fit.
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  So that was a big deal. They had multiple conversations.
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  So anyway, like there's so much infighting in that world that it
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  seems like the Whatever podcast is like the last like thriving
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  community. And the difference with them is
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  that I could tell from interacting with Brian, he's
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  substantially more shrewd and careful, even with the Super
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  chest that he'll allow on the screen.
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  What conversations? Like they avoided the
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  conversations about Transformers when we were on there, right?
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  That's I use that for code. So I think he's way more shrewd
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  and careful with the community guidelines, which is probably
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  why he'll be around. Yeah, I think it's such a unique
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  place on the Internet to have a space where people from
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  extraordinarily different backgrounds and world views and
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  behavior sets are coming together to talk very candidly
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  and in a very vulnerable way. I feel.
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  I mean, the people just kind of sharing about their very
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  personal lives in a way that is not there to, like, shame each
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  other. I don't think that that is the.
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  That's not my experience on the show anyways.
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  Like people generally, they're very courteous with each other.
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  I mean, generally, right? Generally there's like some
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  weird stuff that can happen, but I think that's a very unique
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  thing happening on the Internet, right?
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  Yeah, I think going on there and interacting on our episode with
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  Christie and the other lady it, I'll be honest, I've never met
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  people like that before. I've never met people that
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  profess to be people of faith that were OK with stuff like
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  only fans and we're creating only fans.
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  I I don't know anyone like that. But haven't you heard them?
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  People say that they're spiritual, but then they're
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  involved and like, yeah. But I've never heard anyone own
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  being a Catholic or own being a. Christian.
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  Well, I say I go to church. And did she say she goes to
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  church? She goes to church.
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  The the not Christie, but the other girl.
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  The other girl, but she wasn't, she wasn't involved.
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  In that, she wasn't. She was a public.
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  That was a difference because I do think Christie said she was a
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  spiritual and she was like, you know, she was both Catholic, but
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  then like New Agey it sounded, which don't coexist, of course,
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  but it wasn't that she was like living out that face by a
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  weekly, going to weekly mass or anything.
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  But then the other girl who wasn't living only fans, it
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  seems like she was trying to. Live.
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  I think she was a casual churchgoer.
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  Yeah, I. Think she would go casually and
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  So what Rallo rails against Rallo's the guy who read, who
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  wrote the book is he rails against this idea of women who
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  are promiscuous in their 20s. They hit what he calls the wall
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  and then they end up in church. And this is all in his religion
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  book. And then they want to find a
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  beta guy to settle down with because they've lived out their
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  wild 20s and. And generally speaking, I think
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  it's nonsense. Yeah, I was going to say I know
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  a lot of people and yes, I'm very blessed that the people, a
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  lot of the people I know are like really driving towards good
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  things. Like they're involved in
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  pro-life worker like, you know, so they're like the really like
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  cream of the crop in terms of just like their hearts are
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  trying to do good things, but I don't I don't know.
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  I. Don't know anyone people like
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  that. Who are these?
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  People that everyone's talking about, I know I'm not saying
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  they never exist, but. I don't have a handful of guys
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  and I could think of one girl that's kind of been around the
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  church, but I don't know a lot of people like that.
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  But to be fair. So when they're railing against
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  these like modern woman, that is the avatar they have in their
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  head. And the issue becomes a hasty
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  generalization where you think all women or most women or the
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  majority of women are like that and they're not.
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  It's such a stat that is not the majority of now.
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  Maybe that's the majority of women in their circles in Miami,
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  in LA, at the club, right? Maybe that's the type of women
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  that show up to the club and they have a lot of partners and
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  all that, which is like that's even relative.
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  Like, I think, you know, 30 sounds like a lot of partners,
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  which is what she she said she had.
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  And it's not to shame those people because I do believe
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  redemption is possible and I do believe restoration is possible,
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  but it is to be sober and say, Hey, just so you know, like
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  don't do this. And if you've gone through it,
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  just be aware that you will require some work.
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  There will be work that goes into just like my friends who,
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  who are guys who've racked up their notch count, They have
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  struggles in future relationships.
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  They struggle to pair bond. They struggle to have a
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  functioning relationship and they have to go to therapy and
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  do this work or they'll go into their 40s single and be
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  miserable. And I have guys on both.
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  I got guys really trying to do work and I got guys that are not
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  happy. And I think it's a good point
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  because I mean, and I remember on the podcast, I think we were
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  both making the point that from a spiritual perspective, God
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  totally can wipe away past sin. And like forgiveness is real,
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  especially when there's repentance, we can receive
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  forgiveness. But at the same time, there's
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  natural consequences for our actions.
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  And I think there's sort of a mythology today that hook up sex
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  or even just not even hook up sex, it's not like a pure
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  hookup. Maybe this is someone you've
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  dated for a few times, whatever, right?
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  And people say, well, that wasn't a hookup, I was dating
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  them. But that it does leave a mark on
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  you psychologically, emotionally, and certainly can
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  leave physical marks. And I don't think those
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  conversations really happen. They're starting to happen.
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  They're. Starting to happen more I think
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  in the on the Internet which is awesome.
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  Yeah, yeah. It's the idea of the more
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  partners you have, the harder it will be to pair bond.
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  The harder it is to pair bond, the more likely you are to never
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  make it to marriage or never last in a marriage.
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  And if we know that the majority of people at some point will
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  have kids in their lifetime, so then what is going to happen for
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  all those people? And how did those people
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  navigate? And So what are we setting
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  people up for, right? Are we setting people up to go
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  explore and be sexually liberated men and women, or are
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  we setting people up? Restraint is a better virtue.
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  Choose purpose over pleasure and live a life of honoring God with
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  your body so that the actual thing you will want and you're
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  in your 30s or 40s which is a family you can actually have and
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  thrive in. Or you can even pursue that
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  earlier. You don't have to wait for your
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  30s. A lot of these folks are like,
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  you know, the, the, the, the indoctrination of like, wait
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  until your 30s to get married. I think the average age for men
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  to get married in America is 29. Is 27 for women?
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  It's so crazy because it's such a contradictory message because,
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  you know, the sex education at large at least.
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  Like I think about Planned Parenthood, which is I've
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  invested so much and live action exposes so much, but their whole
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  sex Ed and they're very influential in that space in our
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  public school system at least, is that sexual experimentation
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  provided it safe and consensual. Those are the only kind of
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  markers. And there's their version of
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  safe is like use a condom. I mean, that's really, that's it
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  basically. And that kind of is not going to
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  prevent you from all STI's. It's not going to fully prevent
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  pregnancy, like certainly not going to prevent pair bonding
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  and everything else. But their version of, you know,
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  healthy experience as a kid is sexual experimentation within
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  these boundaries, these kind of artificial boundaries they
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  create. And they say that that's normal
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  and it's healthy to do that. And I think that, you know, if
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  you come in and say, well, actually, it is actually the
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  most normal and the most healthy to abstain from sex until it's
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  in that context of marriage, like that should be more
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  normalized. It used to be normal 100, you
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  know, 100 years ago, generations ago.
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  And it has been normal in societies in the past, but we've
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  made that abnormal now. And so, but then we tell these
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  same kids who are sexually experimenting and stuff, and
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  we're encouraging that, that it's not normal to get married.
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  You know, like you should wait till you're 35 plus to get
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  married and you have bought a house and you've paid off your
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  debt. It's just like, how can these
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  two things hold together that you should be having sex but you
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  shouldn't get married? Right.
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  Well, I remember I'm a public school kid, so I remembered sex
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  Ed through high school. And even in sex Ed they would do
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  this like bring in the banana and put the penis or the condom
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  on the banana and this whole thing right.
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  And just like but even. Gross.
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  It's like this is sex, like, you know, it just I think it's just
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  very offensive to the beauty of what sex is designed to be.
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  But. Even in that I remember my
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  teachers saying the ideal is abstinence and weight.
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  But here's. How we're gonna we're gonna
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  we're gonna show you how the biology works.
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  OK, right. But wait, like there wasn't an A
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  prescription for go experiment. Yeah, right there.
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  That that what that wasn't Yeah, so.
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  But I mean, granted, that was 20 years ago, right?
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  So. Things have changed.
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  Yeah, things have changed. And so my question then goes, if
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  they're telling kids to experiment or saying that that's
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  healthy, what parent of a teenager is like, yeah, come
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  experiment in my home while I'm making dinner for the fan.
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  Like who? Like.
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  There are some, are there really?
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  There are some, I mean, I know like that's crazy.
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  Personal anecdotes, personal anecdotes here.
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  But like some friends who weren't raised in a like a
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  strong faith-based household or maybe a very strongly moral
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  household. There was sort of this sort of
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  acceptance of, yeah, you're gonna sleep together with your
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  girlfriend. So do it while I'm in the house.
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  So not necessarily well, I'm physically in the house, but do
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  it with my sort of high, high view, sort of parental knowledge
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  of it so that I can have some level of control.
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  I mean, it's weird. It's.
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  I think intuition level we yeah, that's just, that is so weird.
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  I think I could see parents being like, like, I don't want
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  to know about it. If you're doing it, just wear a
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  condom. I could see that.
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  But I can't see parents being like, I'm gonna be making dinner
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  across the house and you guys go do what you want, you know, or,
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  or like he can stay the night and like you, you know, I know
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  what you guys are doing. That's just so we are especially
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  dads and their daughters like I just.
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  But that's but that's a thing like, I mean, even like the
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  family vacation and the daughter brings her boyfriend and it's
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  like, you know, are we going to make them sleep apart?
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  I think even Christian families are wrestling with how do we
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  handle this when our kids are not?
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  Coming on family vacation in our home.
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  Same with my home. Like, no, there's no way, right?
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  But yeah, I mean he. Can meet us at the resort and
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  get his own room if he wants to hang out at the pool.
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  And that's it for the dinner. And then he's gone after that.
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  That's crazy. Yeah, you need a strong father
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  and a strong mother, you know, who are standing there and and
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  strong kids. I mean, it's not like kids are
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  are doomed to behave like that. Like that's the thing.
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  I mean, I know it's just hard when your circle is people like
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  what you were saying earlier, when your circle may be people
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  that just don't understand self-control.
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  They didn't live that way. They don't think it's normal to
• 17:48
  have sexual self-control and to have these sexual, sexual
• 17:51
  morality when you're in it. It seems so foreign.
• 17:54
  I totally can see that. But it also is so natural when
• 17:57
  you're in. It's like, yeah, we don't have
• 17:59
  sex before marriage. Like that's that's our culture.
• 18:01
  We don't do that, you know? But if people aren't in that
• 18:03
  culture, I can see why it feels so strange to them.
• 18:06
  Yeah, yeah. Well, just the the side of the
• 18:10
  catastrophe that an unwanted quote UN quote pregnancy can be,
• 18:14
  whether that is on the economics of somebody, if they're not
• 18:17
  prepared or all of a sudden terminating the baby becomes a
• 18:21
  liable of like a good option and then that the consequences of
• 18:25
  that right. So there's no real, I don't
• 18:28
  know, I just don't see a lot of pros.
• 18:29
  I don't see a lot of upside to being sexually liberated or
• 18:33
  experimental as a teenager. It just seems like or, or really
• 18:36
  through until you're married. Like I don't see the I don't
• 18:39
  understand the pragmatic side of it.
• 18:41
  I think it's just a bunch of woo woo nonsense that's like
• 18:44
  pseudoscience and isn't practical.
• 18:46
  Yeah, I agree. And it's not even being
• 18:48
  liberated. It's actually in a way being
• 18:50
  changed to your own impulses and all the consequences that come
• 18:54
  with them. So it creates a lot of
• 18:56
  brokenness for people. So what was your take after the
• 19:00
  podcast? So after after it was over, I
• 19:02
  was, you know, you're always thinking like, OK, could I what
• 19:04
  could I say differently or whatever?
• 19:05
  Did you have any, you know, thoughts afterwards about kind
• 19:09
  of just takeaways of I mean, one thing that kind of hit me was
• 19:13
  just talking with the couple Lena and Adam, Lena and Adam.
• 19:17
  And, you know, I kind of was just like, oh, you know, there's
• 19:21
  such a opportunity that they had.
• 19:24
  And we talked about it during the podcast.
• 19:25
  And they like even Adam at one point was like, yeah, what if I
• 19:28
  totally changed my life, you know, and I just looked at that
• 19:31
  and I was like, there's such an opportunity here to totally make
• 19:35
  make such a difference in the world by changing one's life.
• 19:38
  Like if they were to do that because they have this platform
• 19:40
  that they've built and everything else, but then it's
• 19:42
  hard because that whole platform that they've built is based on
• 19:44
  selling sex. So I can see like the tension
• 19:48
  there. If like we're making all this
• 19:49
  money, how would we? Because I, I didn't feel like
• 19:51
  they necessarily kept like loved what they were doing.
• 19:54
  I mean, they even said after maybe five years, we're going to
• 19:56
  wind this down. It wasn't like this joy that it
• 19:59
  brought them. It was more like this is a job.
• 20:01
  What? What did you think about that?
• 20:03
  I think it totally spot on about that assessment.
• 20:07
  I think I wish I would have pressed her harder because it
• 20:13
  felt like he kept speaking for her and I would ask her
• 20:15
  questions and then he'd kind of answer or she wouldn't get to
• 20:18
  speak and get cut off, you know. So I think there was that like I
• 20:21
  really wanted to hear more from her.
• 20:24
  Someone sent me one of her YouTube videos from like 5 or 6
• 20:28
  years ago when she first was trying to get on YouTube.
• 20:30
  And she has a relatively big channel.
• 20:32
  I don't know if she uploads anywhere, there's like a million
• 20:33
  subscribers or something crazy. And on that YouTube channel, she
• 20:36
  actually talks about how she doesn't, she didn't want to ever
• 20:39
  do porn. So like, I wish I could have
• 20:42
  talked to her more and try to bring her around and, and, and
• 20:45
  get like, is this what you planned for yourself?
• 20:47
  Right. And I think that would have been
• 20:50
  interesting. I, I, I text with Adam, you
• 20:53
  know, so I kind of understand where he's at.
• 20:55
  I think if they were to pivot, which I do believe.
• 20:57
  And I told him that afterwards, I said, Adam, I want you to know
• 20:59
  there's a lot of people praying for you, bro.
• 21:01
  There's a lot of people praying for you and there's a lot of
• 21:03
  people seeing that you're slowly starting to become more aware of
• 21:08
  that this isn't helpful, you know?
• 21:10
  And so I, I told him that afterwards.
• 21:12
  But I think just, I wish we would have had more time to kind
• 21:14
  of nail down the conclusions. Because I think it kept getting,
• 21:17
  the conversation kept getting taken to different directions
• 21:20
  because Christie had her input she wanted to provide and then
• 21:23
  everyone was kind of saying their thing and there was like
• 21:25
  these parallel conversations kind of happening and then
• 21:27
  getting interrupted it. I do remember at one point, Lena
• 21:29
  said that she had to be desensitized.
• 21:32
  The way she dealt with threesomes with her husband was
• 21:35
  to be used the word desensitized.
• 21:37
  And that's what helped her continue to do it.
• 21:40
  And I'm like, where's the love? And like, you know, isn't that a
• 21:44
  flag? And so I wish that we'd been
• 21:46
  able to have a conversation about that because that was, I
• 21:48
  think, a big, a big revelation. Even like what is what?
• 21:55
  What is the need to rationalize all of this when you're talking
• 21:58
  about, you have, you're jealous like Adam's saying like he was
• 22:02
  jealous when the dude did the scene and she's she was jealous
• 22:04
  initially and she you know what I mean?
• 22:06
  It's like, do you guys really think this is normal?
• 22:08
  Like if you really think this is how it's it's designed and then
• 22:11
  what is the logical conclusions of this naturalistic worldview?
• 22:14
  Like if you hold that there is no God and there is no objective
• 22:17
  morality, well, then I see how you come to these conclusions.
• 22:20
  But we are all acknowledging that porn is not a net positive,
• 22:25
  or at least I felt like they kind of acknowledged that it's
• 22:27
  not a net positive, that it is addictive.
• 22:29
  They wouldn't want their daughter.
• 22:30
  To do it, they wouldn't want their daughter to do it.
• 22:31
  So like you're, you're creating, producing, promoting the very
• 22:34
  things that I think on a very instinctual level, even though I
• 22:38
  think at that level, like your conscience is probably pretty
• 22:41
  sheer, like you're probably pretty detached and, and
• 22:44
  desensitized. But I still felt like there were
• 22:46
  these glimmers of like knowing right from wrong and like that,
• 22:50
  that Imago day there. And I wish we could have kind of
• 22:52
  explored that one. Yeah.
• 22:53
  And I thought it was kind of remarkable how there wasn't
• 22:56
  like, I mean, I thought from Christy as an example, when
• 23:00
  there was sort of clash of world views, there was like a very
• 23:02
  negative reaction at points from her where she's like didn't want
• 23:04
  to hear it, didn't want to take it, didn't agree.
• 23:06
  But there I didn't get that vibe at all from Adam and Lena.
• 23:11
  Like they seemed like they were really sincerely listening and
• 23:14
  almost hadn't considered some of that stuff before.
• 23:16
  I hadn't heard it that way before.
• 23:17
  Because obviously they're in their world, right?
• 23:19
  Doing their thing. And so it's like the world's
• 23:21
  colliding. And that's where, you know,
• 23:24
  again, I agree. I think if there had been more,
• 23:26
  maybe more time, I mean, I don't know if they'd ever come back
• 23:29
  and do like. AI reached out to him about
• 23:31
  about trying to have another conversation with him and he
• 23:34
  just was kind of like, I don't know if anyone here is
• 23:37
  interested in talking about religion.
• 23:38
  I was like, would you be open to coming on my channel?
• 23:40
  He said he didn't respond to me, so I'll follow up.
• 23:43
  But he's he follows me on Instagram, so he sees all the
• 23:44
  stuff I post and all the clips, you know, so we'll see.
• 23:48
  But I think I think I think Adam is one of those guys that is
• 23:52
  such an extreme. Whatever he's into, he's going
• 23:55
  all the way in. So it wouldn't surprise me if a
• 23:57
  year, five years, he completely goes the.
• 23:59
  Opposite, I do think one other thought I had afterwards, as was
• 24:02
  kind of musing about it and praying about it was that I do
• 24:06
  think I do wonder if part of that sort of, you know, you
• 24:10
  know, porn as a business and you know, where the where the porn
• 24:13
  stars doing all this stuff. Part of it too, is sort of to
• 24:15
  navigate trust dynamics in the relationship because if you're
• 24:19
  worried they're like, we would never cheat outside of this.
• 24:21
  This is the way we do sex, but we would we are faithful, right?
• 24:24
  Remember, they kept that. Was such a weird
• 24:26
  compartmentalization. I agree, but that's what I was
• 24:28
  thinking. It's like, it almost is like
• 24:31
  Lena's OK, this is what I was wondering.
• 24:32
  Like, and I would, I would love to like ask her and see what she
• 24:35
  thinks if she'd be willing to like have the conversation.
• 24:37
  But like, is Lena like doing this because this is kind of her
• 24:41
  way to allow sort of promiscuity within the relationship because
• 24:45
  she's afraid we can't have a relationship without any
• 24:49
  promiscuity. So this is kind of her way to
• 24:52
  have a piece of it and to kind of control it.
• 24:54
  So that's one thing I did think afterwards, because if, you
• 24:56
  know, he comes from this Playboy, Playboy past, she knew
• 24:59
  what she was getting into. She's sort of like, I'll be part
• 25:01
  of this world with you, but on my terms.
• 25:03
  So she creates these sort of like artificial terms that she's
• 25:05
  still not comfortable with. She's disassociating.
• 25:07
  She's saying she's desensitized, but she's still saying, oh, I'm
• 25:10
  having fun too. Like she's kind of giving that
• 25:11
  language to it. But at the end of the day, this
• 25:13
  is kind of her way to have some sort of control.
• 25:16
  I don't know. So that's a.
• 25:18
  Scary thing to marry someone, have a child with someone.
• 25:21
  And they both come from fairly conservative backgrounds, like
• 25:24
  his parents were Christian. Her parents are Armenian, which
• 25:28
  I think she talks about coming from a conservative home in that
• 25:30
  video somebody sent me. Yeah.
• 25:31
  So I I'm praying for them. I've been praying for Adam for a
• 25:33
  long time. There's a lot of folks praying
• 25:35
  for him. So I think I don't, I don't
• 25:37
  think that's done. And I what I didn't want them to
• 25:40
  to to feel is beat up. Yeah, because that's what the
• 25:44
  internet's kind of done to them. And and and to an extent like
• 25:47
  rightfully so, right, Because they put out some but.
• 25:49
  They're also I mean. They're profiting off of it.
• 25:52
  They're profiting off of. It so I think that's the tricky
• 25:54
  part. It's like if you're going to go
• 25:56
  to profit off of something very dark, yes and you expect to not
• 25:59
  get beat up yes, it's sort of because I mean I get beat up for
• 26:02
  pro-life work like we all get beat up on the Internet for
• 26:04
  something. You know that's the Internet.
• 26:06
  So it's like choose your whip battle.
• 26:08
  Are you going to? What sword are you going to die
• 26:10
  on? I was hoping to like get, just
• 26:14
  keep asking questions and ultimately like point them to
• 26:17
  something higher. You know, that was like my my
• 26:19
  heart and I and I think we did that.
• 26:20
  I think I think you did a great job.
• 26:22
  I think ultimately you did that. I feel like that conversation
• 26:25
  would have been more productive without obviously Christie in
• 26:27
  the room, but she was interesting too.
• 26:29
  She was. She was, you know.
• 26:30
  They could have been two separate conversations,
• 26:31
  honestly, because they were kind of separate tracks, but they
• 26:35
  kind of ended up colliding a lot, so that created some.
• 26:37
  Of them, they had her back Sunday right away.
• 26:39
  Yeah, I did see that. Which is hilarious.
• 26:41
  Which which again, from their standpoint, I get it, they're
• 26:45
  they're trying to make money. The chat is going to dunk on
• 26:48
  her. He's going to make more of the
• 26:50
  the Super chats, right? It's a it's genius.
• 26:54
  Like, I get it from his standpoint, but I'm sitting here
• 26:56
  thinking like you weren't really trying to have like a good
• 27:01
  debate on this. Like you were trying to have
• 27:03
  just. Well, I think that's what
• 27:05
  happened with the debate I did with Destiny originally because
• 27:07
  I think I think Ryan, like you said, is shrewd.
• 27:10
  He's got, he's a businessman, you know, this is a business for
• 27:13
  him. And I do think like he's trying
• 27:15
  to create these sort of shows that include characters that
• 27:19
  could potentially be villains or the like kind of heroes or like
• 27:23
  the more sane person versus the villain.
• 27:26
  And then sometimes like the villain is actually the same
• 27:28
  person in disguise. And so people hate the same
• 27:30
  person. So I think that's part of like
• 27:32
  the dynamics of the show that he's dating.
• 27:35
  And that's what was tough about the show that I did with
• 27:38
  debating Destiny is, you know, it ended up being like, you
• 27:41
  know, this odd match where I was debating destiny and he, you
• 27:46
  know, it's sometimes the villain and sometimes the hero,
• 27:48
  depending on the audience, right for what it was.
• 27:50
  And I wanted to do the best job I could of presenting the
• 27:52
  pro-life case, but there wasn't a setup.
• 27:54
  And then I, I was kind of two against one partnered with, you
• 27:58
  know, someone I know I've known for years, but totally different
• 28:01
  style, different approach, not someone I would, you know,
• 28:04
  choose to sit down to do a debate with, you know, And so
• 28:06
  it's kind of like this odd bunch and it was chaotic and I think
• 28:09
  it got a lot of views, but you know, people were like, I hate
• 28:12
  watching this. It's killing my, you know, brain
• 28:14
  waves and stuff. And it's like, I get why, but
• 28:16
  it's like, like people like to sometimes watch the train wreck,
• 28:20
  but I felt like it was a missed opportunity.
• 28:21
  I know I could have done better, but I also think the the cards
• 28:24
  were kind of stacked with the way it was set up and like me
• 28:26
  being partnered with someone that wasn't really partnered for
• 28:28
  me. But so I was glad that Trent did
• 28:31
  such a solid job afterwards, you know, with another debate, but.
• 28:35
  I was hoping more of that conversation and like the other
• 28:38
  way, Trent and Destiny's conversation with the other
• 28:40
  conversation, so. I think we could have had it if
• 28:43
  it had just been me and Destiny one-on-one, or if we had just
• 28:45
  had a different setup with different people in addition to
• 28:49
  us. But I actually got really good
• 28:50
  advice from Trent afterwards because we were messaging about
• 28:52
  it and he was like, he was saying that he's very picky
• 28:56
  about who he allows to debate with him.
• 29:00
  And I'd never really thought about that, to be honest, like
• 29:02
  because and I went and I'm like, I'm not going to say don't have,
• 29:05
  you know, Kristen Hawkins on the show.
• 29:06
  I'm not going to like tell her. You know, that would just be, it
• 29:08
  felt like that would be mean. But Trent was like, hey, if he
• 29:12
  thinks someone is not going to be a good partner for him, he
• 29:14
  won't show or he will say, I'm not going to do it.
• 29:18
  And so I was like, that's actually really good advice
• 29:20
  because they can totally change the debate and the impression of
• 29:23
  the debate depending on who is next to you.
• 29:25
  Well, I think at his level, as good as he is is, he's probably
• 29:29
  just learned that through experience.
• 29:30
  That's something I wouldn't know.
• 29:31
  I'd just be like, dude, you've gone to whatever podcast again.
• 29:34
  Like great, right? But.
• 29:36
  Then you don't think about like, what happens when the
• 29:38
  conversation gets totally derailed, you know?
• 29:40
  So yeah, that's good. And I think Trenton has a lot of
• 29:42
  wisdom and he's a really good, He's really good at what he does
• 29:45
  and. He's been, he's been very
• 29:47
  faithfully doing his work for ever since I've known him.
• 29:50
  I think it's been a decade and he's just gets, he's getting
• 29:52
  better and better. Yeah, he's amazing.
• 29:53
  Yeah. So I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm grateful
• 29:55
  that you were able to help facilitate that conversation
• 29:58
  because I feel like that is there, that is a Evergreen piece
• 30:03
  of material that when I'm having conversations with people in my
• 30:06
  real life, like, look, listen, just go and watch this, like
• 30:08
  watch this all the way through. And I promise you, you're not
• 30:11
  going to like, this isn't a coherent position.
• 30:14
  This does not make. Sense even even if it's as
• 30:16
  carefully and you know, specifically presented as
• 30:19
  Destiny's, it still fails. Like you could argue Destiny's
• 30:23
  position is the best argument. You know, some people would say
• 30:25
  that. I don't agree with that
• 30:26
  actually, but I do think it's a strong one if amongst the weak
• 30:29
  humans of pro abortion. And yeah, it's a, it's an
• 30:32
  excellent dismantling of it. Yeah, I sat down with a
• 30:34
  progressive Christian this past week, had a four and a half hour
• 30:37
  conversation. That conversation came up and
• 30:40
  his position, which was wild, was up until birth and I was.
• 30:47
  Like as a progressive. Christian as a progressive
• 30:48
  Christian. And I said because he's like, I
• 30:50
  know. Progressive atheists who are
• 30:52
  fully anti abortion. Yeah, and he.
• 30:53
  But so sad. And I said, what makes the birth
• 30:56
  canal unique? And he said the first breath.
• 30:59
  And I said, so that's that's the line.
• 31:03
  And I said, just so, you know, like Destiny's line, who's in,
• 31:06
  you know, like this is the way they debated.
• 31:08
  And it was at 20 weeks and you're like 39 weeks.
• 31:10
  Like I could see an instance where the mother's mental health
• 31:13
  can allow for that. And I'm like, oh, that's.
• 31:16
  That's dark. All right, man, And that's what
• 31:17
  I said to him. I said that's, that's dark,
• 31:20
  that's dark. But sometimes you just got to
• 31:21
  let people flesh out their their positions.
• 31:24
  Like you're claiming to be a Christian, but then your
• 31:25
  position is this and. Had he ever talked that
• 31:28
  progressive Christian you spoke with for 4 1/2 hours?
• 31:30
  Had he ever talked to someone who had clear minded, you know,
• 31:35
  they had thought through their positions, Orthodox Christian
• 31:37
  beliefs for that long? No, no, I not for that long.
• 31:41
  He has debated people before. To his credit, he's and he's a
• 31:44
  good, he's a good guy. He's he's my friend.
• 31:45
  He's a, he's a, he's a friend. I have, I have Adams and other
• 31:49
  folks like that in my real life, right.
• 31:51
  And so I don't mind having these.
• 31:52
  Conversations. Publicly.
• 31:53
  So, yeah, he's he's a guy named Tim from the New Evangelicals.
• 31:57
  They work a lot in the deconstruction, deconversion
• 32:00
  world of people from the evangelical circles.
• 32:02
  And that's the kind of work it says queer firming, pro-choice,
• 32:05
  all the things like it's just, it's almost like, I don't say
• 32:08
  radical because he wouldn't appreciate it, but it's like
• 32:10
  leftist Christianity. I don't, I don't know how to
• 32:12
  describe it. They're more socialist, not
• 32:14
  quite Marxist, but they're more socialist and like, so across
• 32:17
  the board, like name an issue. He's going to be on the left
• 32:19
  side of that issue for the most part.
• 32:21
  Trans Pro, all that stuff. What?
• 32:23
  Do you think that as you've done, do you think it's there's
• 32:26
  still that very deep attraction to Jesus Christ because he is
• 32:30
  the most attractive? You know, he is God and he is
• 32:34
  perfect and the historian history is so even just some
• 32:38
  from a historical perspective is so incredibly captivating and
• 32:41
  compelling. And so they're like, they're
• 32:43
  drawn to that. They know that's true.
• 32:45
  They want to be part of that, but then they're holding on to
• 32:48
  leftism. So I think it starts the other
• 32:50
  way. They're they're on the more
• 32:53
  fundamental side, they're. Fundamentalist.
• 32:56
  Yeah, they're fundamentalist and but they don't know they're
• 32:59
  fundamentalist. Wait, so hold on, they they're
• 33:01
  ex fundamentalist? Yeah, so this is how I describe
• 33:04
  it. So you, you guys in the in the
• 33:07
  Catholic tradition, there's system and order and hierarchy
• 33:12
  and tradition in the. Protestant.
• 33:16
  There's just the truth that undergraduate.
• 33:18
  Yeah, yeah. In the in the in the Protestant
• 33:20
  tradition, it's anchored on the Protestant Reformation, which
• 33:25
  which I think is significant. Which is a big no to basically
• 33:29
  authority. Yes, exactly.
• 33:31
  And So what what happens within the Protestant is you just we,
• 33:35
  you kept protesting over and over and over.
• 33:38
  So Protestants naturally have this like skepticism towards
• 33:41
  authority and towards tradition and towards these things.
• 33:43
  And So what what happens is a lot of these folks,
• 33:46
  unfortunately, they grow up and what they think are cortical
• 33:50
  evangelical circles, but what they're really growing up in our
• 33:54
  fundamentalist circles that are like evangelical adjacent.
• 33:57
  This is what I mean. There's, there's two streams in
• 34:00
  the last 100 and just call it the last 100 years of, of
• 34:03
  Protestants, right, that are probably most mainline in
• 34:06
  America. One stream, because I'm not
• 34:08
  talking about Europe and the rest of the world, but one
• 34:09
  stream would be the stream that I come from, which is like the
• 34:11
  Billy Graham, the Jesus Revolution, the Greg Glories,
• 34:16
  the Calvary Chapel. Yeah.
• 34:17
  So there's that stream. That stream is extremely
• 34:21
  different. And by the way, and that stream
• 34:23
  was against racism and for civil rights and against the Vietnam
• 34:26
  War. And we're kind of a lot of those
• 34:28
  guys were hippies that got saved.
• 34:29
  The other stream is like the Jerry Falwell Bob Jones.
• 34:34
  Is that like a Southern Baptist? Base no Southern Southern
• 34:37
  Southern Baptist is interesting because Southern Baptist kind of
• 34:39
  became more evangelical overtime but it's still that's such a
• 34:42
  broad denomination and of itself.
• 34:45
  But these folks over here the Jerry the the the Bob Jones, the
• 34:48
  Jerry Falwell, they're more in the fundamentalist hyper literal
• 34:52
  view of Scripture hyper the Bible is the literal words of
• 34:57
  God. No Jesus is the word of God.
• 35:00
  Jesus is the logos. The Bible is Scriptures inspired
• 35:04
  a man of a God's work with man right and this is this is how
• 35:09
  Catholics view the Bible. This is how Eastern Orthodox
• 35:11
  view the Bible is how the Oriental Orthodox and.
• 35:13
  So on the Canon of the Bible that both Catholics and
• 35:16
  Protestants accept, largely because Catholics have a few
• 35:19
  more books that Martin Luther, you know, wanted to kick out.
• 35:23
  But ultimately, that Canon comes from the Catholic Church's
• 35:26
  authority. Right, right, right.
• 35:28
  So. So there's so.
• 35:29
  There's so there's like practically the way this is
• 35:34
  fleshed out is practically similar to the other forearms of
• 35:38
  the church in the fundamentalist tradition.
• 35:41
  The other forearms of the church aren't really saved.
• 35:43
  Catholics aren't really saved. Eastern Orthodox aren't really
• 35:46
  saved. They they, they're corrupted
• 35:48
  influence. So there's fundamentalist
• 35:50
  Calvinists and then there's Calvinists like Gavin Ortland,
• 35:53
  who is an amazing Calvinist. I think he's debated Trent Horn
• 35:55
  and he's like, he's a he's, he's like Catholics are my brothers
• 35:59
  and sisters in the Lord, right? Trent Horn would say I'm
• 36:01
  brother, sister in the Lord, right.
• 36:02
  So there's these different, but with the difference is, is like
• 36:05
  within Catholicism or within Eastern Orthodox, their systems
• 36:09
  and structures, and within Protestantism there's more
• 36:11
  protests and often times it just gets confusing.
• 36:14
  So I say all that to say, a lot of these folks are coming from
• 36:18
  these traditions. They don't know that like
• 36:22
  literal 6 state creationism is not an essential belief in the
• 36:27
  Christian tradition. There's all kinds of views on
• 36:29
  creation, right? And so they, they're taught that
• 36:32
  this is it. Or like dinosaurs and humans
• 36:34
  lived on the earth together, right?
• 36:36
  Like they're taught these. Things it really resonates
• 36:38
  because when I was growing up, so I was raised evangelical and
• 36:42
  I was homeschooled and I had a ton of like my larger sort of
• 36:45
  community and I went to like the junior college and I did so I
• 36:48
  kind of this very kind of unique educational path, I guess.
• 36:51
  But so I got to like rub arms with a lot of different kinds of
• 36:53
  people, not homeschool kids, but the homeschool kids I knew a lot
• 36:57
  of them I think came from very fundamentalist homes.
• 37:01
  And my home wasn't the same, but they kind of could maybe look
• 37:04
  the same if you just glanced at them in terms of like what we
• 37:07
  both were part of homeschool speech and debate, you know, so
• 37:09
  you, we both were Christian. So therefore my experience was
• 37:11
  the same. And so they come from these very
• 37:13
  fundamentalist homes where I think they were taught by their
• 37:16
  parents and by their kind of church community some things
• 37:19
  that they experienced on a very primordial level that brought a
• 37:23
  lot of shame, judgment, heartbreak, confusion.
• 37:27
  And so they ended up reacting really strongly against it and
• 37:31
  became very far left and hate all, not just Protestantism, but
• 37:36
  Catholic like just hate all of it.
• 37:39
  But then they kind of create some sort of a spirituality
• 37:42
  sometimes. Like I'm thinking about one in
• 37:43
  particular who has a spirituality he's created where
• 37:46
  he, I think believes in Jesus still, but you know, certainly
• 37:50
  not anything that you could trace and sort of Christianity
• 37:53
  at large. And then he has this, some of
• 37:56
  the beliefs sound very beautiful, but then he's, you
• 37:58
  know, super pro abortion, you know, super pro LGBTQ, plus I
• 38:03
  whatever as an identity and all of this stuff.
• 38:06
  And I see it whenever I look at this and this group of people,
• 38:08
  I'm thinking like a lot of them are acquaintances, or at least
• 38:11
  you know, some of them friends. I see just a lot of pain.
• 38:14
  Like they're still feeling the pain of what they felt as kids.
• 38:18
  And the way that they kind of deal with the pain is to just
• 38:22
  reject anything that looks like what they were raised with us
• 38:27
  kids. And yeah, I don't know, just it
• 38:30
  kind of breaks my heart because, you know, it's almost like
• 38:34
  always running against something and, you know, then latching on
• 38:39
  to other things that just look the opposite of what they were
• 38:42
  told. And that seems to be the
• 38:46
  psychology of it. That seems to be you were very
• 38:50
  extreme and one set of views and then you just kind of pulled on
• 38:54
  that thread. So for him, it was specifically
• 38:58
  Trump. He was told character matters.
• 39:02
  We have to be of noble character.
• 39:04
  We have to have all these values we have.
• 39:05
  To fidelity matters. All these things matters.
• 39:08
  And then he saw. Propriety matters.
• 39:09
  All of these people all the sudden supported a president
• 39:13
  that didn't have any of those virtues.
• 39:16
  And the response was we need a commander in chief, not a
• 39:19
  commander and pastor. And he was like, what?
• 39:22
  Like. And so he was conservative up
• 39:24
  until. That and that's a very fair what
• 39:27
  to ask because it doesn't make a lot of sense when yes, you, you,
• 39:32
  we should want a representation of character in our political
• 39:35
  leaders. That is not a crazy thing to
• 39:37
  request, I think, and to and to demand.
• 39:40
  Actually, and I, I did not vote for Trump either time, but I
• 39:43
  think there's a difference between saying, all right, we're
• 39:48
  going to just swallow our pride and this guy, if you, if you're,
• 39:53
  if you're a Republican, this guy, he's going to get his
• 39:55
  Supreme Court justices. It's going to help long term.
• 39:58
  I, I, I got to hold my nose. I can't, I can't stand his
• 40:01
  character and and being quiet about it.
• 40:04
  Versus being like yay MAGA country.
• 40:07
  But they had to go all I think their justification because I
• 40:10
  also did not vote for Trump either time, which you know
• 40:12
  makes me I have been very people have been very upset with me for
• 40:16
  that. But but anyways, I think the
• 40:19
  problem, you know, my problem with doing that, you know, our
• 40:22
  problem is like, OK, if no one had voted for Trump, we wouldn't
• 40:26
  have Roe V. Wade overruled right now is what
• 40:28
  people say now. Is that for sure true?
• 40:31
  Like take us 10 steps back. If no one had voted for Trump
• 40:34
  and he wasn't the nominee in the primary.
• 40:37
  Yeah, meeting this like it's not a binary.
• 40:39
  There were a lot of steps that led up and a lot of I think
• 40:42
  rationalizations that led up to the point where we had Biden
• 40:46
  versus Trump, right. And a lot of I think the
• 40:50
  rationalizations and some even excuses that made us say, oh,
• 40:54
  he's the best candidate, You know, and again, not everyone
• 40:56
  did that. A lot of people wanted other
• 40:57
  candidates and then they had to, you know, hold the nose for
• 40:59
  Trump or whatever. But I, you know, I keep it comes
• 41:01
  back to like principle again and again.
• 41:03
  It's like, what is the the right thing to do?
• 41:06
  If everyone just did the right thing, we wouldn't find
• 41:09
  ourselves in the hole, you know? But it takes a lot of courage to
• 41:12
  do the right thing. And it takes there's
• 41:14
  consequences too, because you might be in the hole for a long.
• 41:18
  You might be still in the hole doing the right thing for a long
• 41:20
  time. Yeah.
• 41:21
  Yeah. No, that's good.
• 41:22
  And I think for folks who found themselves on that and we're
• 41:26
  just looking at it objectively and it's like, man, this guy
• 41:29
  seems not very reflective of Christian conservative values.
• 41:32
  And yet all the Christians and conservatives I know in my life
• 41:34
  got behind him. I could understand how that can
• 41:37
  start to unravel. The rest of the I got, I got to
• 41:40
  justify how to line up with a six day literal creation.
• 41:45
  I got to justify how to line up with these other and I made some
• 41:48
  gay friends and they're really nice.
• 41:49
  You mean to tell me that that's wrong?
• 41:51
  Wow, they're so sweet. And also not just that it's
• 41:53
  wrong, but I think especially like the homeschool kids I know
• 41:55
  growing up, like sex was seen as like a shameful thing.
• 41:58
  Or if you did any sexual mistake, not even just
• 42:03
  intercourse, but you like did anything sexual, then you were,
• 42:06
  you know, basically like a bruised individual, like you had
• 42:10
  given away something that you could never get back.
• 42:12
  And so there was that kind of like present language around sex
• 42:16
  of like your virginity is a present.
• 42:18
  That yeah, that's a lot of purity culture.
• 42:19
  Which is really dangerous when you consider like sexual
• 42:22
  assault, which is way too common.
• 42:24
  It's like, did I lose my present by axe?
• 42:26
  Like by no fault of my own, it was taken from me.
• 42:28
  And I don't like that language. I don't think it's a correct
• 42:31
  view of the person. Like you are a gift, yes, but
• 42:33
  it's not like your virginity is a gift.
• 42:34
  You are a gift that deserves to not be violated.
• 42:38
  And another person is the gift. The virginity is not the gift.
• 42:41
  You are the gift. But anyways, that confusion and,
• 42:45
  you know, shame around sexuality.
• 42:46
  I can totally see where someone's like, what the heck,
• 42:48
  These gay people are lovely. Like, you guys are a bunch of
• 42:51
  bigots. Like I'm done with this stuff.
• 42:53
  And that's how you go and you just basically flip to the total
• 42:58
  opposite extreme on everything. And then you some people hold on
• 43:01
  to a little bit of Jesus. My friend Sam would say he still
• 43:05
  affirms the bodily resurrection. He still believes the Scripture
• 43:09
  is still inspired and sacred to some extent.
• 43:12
  I don't know if he would, but but he would definitely not view
• 43:14
  it as all authoritative. And so like when I'm trying to
• 43:16
  have a conversation about Romans 1 and homosexuality, he's just
• 43:19
  like, look, man, I'm not a Bible scholar.
• 43:21
  I just, I disagree with Paul on stuff.
• 43:22
  I think it's up for interpretation.
• 43:24
  And I'm just like, I don't know how Romans runs up for
• 43:26
  temperation. So you, you know, and then other
• 43:28
  people just completely be convert and completely walk away
• 43:31
  from all of it. And it but there is a common
• 43:36
  avatar that I see with folks in that space.
• 43:39
  And it is, I think it's, it's a pressure to want to conform to
• 43:44
  cultural expectations, right? So as things drift more left,
• 43:48
  you kind of want to be in those spaces and accepted in those
• 43:51
  spaces. But I pointed to a study to him
• 43:55
  of how the first time in a while the country is becoming more
• 43:59
  morally conservative. So I don't know if you ever saw
• 44:01
  that chart, but there's a chart that came out and it was like,
• 44:05
  what do you find this act morally acceptable or not?
• 44:08
  It had everything from homosexual relationships to.
• 44:13
  Bestiality. Bestiality, but it but it even
• 44:16
  had birth control. So like birth control went down
• 44:18
  from like 92. I find it morally acceptable to
• 44:20
  like 88. It's a good dip.
• 44:22
  And it's this whole chart. And so like I like I go over the
• 44:24
  chart with him. Like why do you think the
• 44:25
  country is shifting more morally conservative on a lot of these
• 44:28
  issues? And he just kind of dismissed it
• 44:31
  as like the right wing Trump. No, it was like Daily Wire.
• 44:37
  I'm. Joking that it was.
• 44:39
  Trump that world is what's causing this and they they make
• 44:42
  $300 million a year that. I mean, last Easter, I think I
• 44:45
  knew a dozen people that came into the Catholic Church, a lot
• 44:48
  of them young people. So I don't think I think it's
• 44:50
  much deeper than like political identification.
• 44:54
  It's way deeper. I think so too, because people,
• 44:56
  they realize, I think once they sit down and remove the like,
• 45:00
  allow themselves to take a moment away from the reaction of
• 45:05
  shame, anger, betrayal, like whatever it was that hurt them
• 45:08
  as a child or hurt them in their past from the fundamentalist
• 45:12
  church community or whatever it was, right?
• 45:14
  And then they kind of take the time to really, I think, think
• 45:16
  about like, what is what is this all about?
• 45:19
  What is this all for human beings?
• 45:21
  Like, what are we made for? What is sex made for?
• 45:23
  I think a lot of these answers can come naturally.
• 45:26
  They can. And I think for a lot of people
• 45:28
  they are, I see that. I see people, I actually know
• 45:32
  people who have been through the sort of rebellious stage of
• 45:36
  their fundamentalism, right. And then they become Catholic
• 45:40
  because like you see like, and I think it actually may be part of
• 45:44
  that is it's easier for them to become Catholic in a sense,
• 45:46
  because a lot of the fundies are extremely anti Catholic.
• 45:49
  So, but it's like, what are you going to pick?
• 45:51
  Like, you know, far left Christianity or Catholicism,
• 45:57
  which I believe is true, you know, it's Catholic is universal
• 46:01
  and you have the fullness of the faith of Jesus.
• 46:04
  And you know, you have, you know, you have the church and
• 46:06
  then you have like the moral path that's not given to you to
• 46:08
  shame you, but to guide you, right.
• 46:10
  And it's so freeing and it's so beautiful.
• 46:13
  Once you start to learn about it and you see people living it, it
• 46:15
  just, it's very winsome. So that that's what gives me
• 46:18
  hopes. And I think that's behind the
• 46:19
  numbers you're mentioning is that people are waking up not in
• 46:23
  reaction to what they are rejecting, but they're waking up
• 46:27
  to embrace something good that they want to receive and accept.
• 46:32
  It's because natural law is true, right?
• 46:36
  Saint Thomas acquaintance like it's because it's true and I
• 46:38
  think people are seeing that and it's intrinsic.
• 46:41
  And so I think, yeah, I think that's why we're seeing the
• 46:43
  country shift that way. I don't know what that means for
• 46:46
  the progressive Christian world. I don't know how they reconcile
• 46:49
  some of these things or if they don't seem to be thriving.
• 46:52
  Like it doesn't seem like to be a a flourishing community.
• 46:55
  Only one or two kids, Yeah, you don't typically have a lot of.
• 46:58
  Yeah, well, just from, from, from the kids, they just to
• 47:01
  share numbers, but also just they don't go to church.
• 47:04
  They don't their Bibles, they don't really pray, you know,
• 47:08
  like I don't know how those I do.
• 47:09
  Think they're politically active?
• 47:11
  Yes. I think politics in many ways is
• 47:14
  the religion of the leftist Christianity.
• 47:18
  Now, I agree that for some Christians on the right,
• 47:21
  politics is too much of their religion.
• 47:23
  Oh, yeah. So this is not just a left
• 47:24
  issue, but on the left, I think, you know, the whole
• 47:27
  identification of the state is that has such a role to play in
• 47:31
  everyday life. And I'm going to win, you know,
• 47:34
  these, these freedoms that I think I need and sort of the
• 47:37
  security that I think I need from the state.
• 47:38
  So like you need the you need the state more than I think the
• 47:41
  right, because the right just says, let me be free to an
• 47:43
  extent, right. So there's that.
• 47:45
  But then there's also like culture, because the people
• 47:47
  there like if you're on the left, like the people you're
• 47:49
  hanging out with, in a in a way, it's like the culture of it is
• 47:52
  like, we are leftist. We are, you know, we are
• 47:54
  political, we want to, we're really engaged in politics and
• 47:57
  making changes in politics. So.
• 48:00
  Yeah, that's why we gotta get back the culture we gotta.
• 48:03
  Take back the culture, keep podcasting or something, keep
• 48:08
  Youtubing. You know, that's the one small
• 48:11
  step forward. I think it'll, I think it's
• 48:13
  happening. Like I really believe it's
• 48:14
  happening. I just think I hope to see more
• 48:18
  folks build bridges and have conversations and not be
• 48:24
  offended. And I think there's less of that
• 48:27
  continuity in the Christian space.
• 48:29
  We're currently in the Protestant space.
• 48:31
  Excuse me, in the Protestant space.
• 48:32
  And I feel like watching you. Trent Horn Pine sort of
• 48:36
  quaintness. I forgot his real name.
• 48:38
  Matt. Matt.
• 48:39
  Yeah. There seems to be like you guys
• 48:41
  seem to have more of a continuity in a system in terms
• 48:44
  of how you guys navigate this, probably influenced by your
• 48:47
  Catholic theology. For sure, because we have, I
• 48:49
  think there's no question that doesn't have an answer that
• 48:52
  makes sense to anyone. I mean, that's the that's the
• 48:54
  beauty of like, and one of the reasons I became Catholic is
• 48:57
  like every question I had had an answer that made sense.
• 49:00
  And yeah, some of it was this is divine revelation.
• 49:03
  Like, how do we know these certain things?
• 49:05
  It's divine revelation. Like you're not going to, you're
• 49:07
  not going to tease it out in natural law.
• 49:09
  But even within the divine revelation, there was a
• 49:11
  beautiful system of philosophy, you know, thought theology that
• 49:14
  makes sense. And, and all of it in the end
• 49:16
  didn't lead to when you really like sit with it and you look at
• 49:19
  the lives of the Saints and you see just this beautiful,
• 49:22
  passionate love for God and other people.
• 49:25
  And you see the outpouring of the, all the fruits of knowing
• 49:29
  and living the faith, You know, the sacraments and you know, you
• 49:32
  know, receiving Eucharist and being part of a, a tradition and
• 49:35
  a church that had this continuity for 2000 years coming
• 49:37
  from Jesus and his apostles. It just gives so much, I think,
• 49:41
  encouragement to be fully alive. So there's nothing about it.
• 49:45
  Like with fundamentalist Christianity, it's like, it's
• 49:47
  kind of like you're getting prodded, like, you know, like
• 49:49
  with the cattle prod of like, you got to go this way and like
• 49:52
  do this. And but this is like my
• 49:55
  experience of the faith, being Catholic is just endless
• 49:58
  beautiful freedom to be who I meant to be and to love.
• 50:03
  And it just, it's amazing. I catch a lot of Flack for being
• 50:06
  friendly with you. Guys, thanks for.
• 50:09
  I get a lot of backlash for my. You mean you think Catholics are
• 50:14
  going to heaven? Like, yeah, you know, so it's
• 50:17
  it's hopefully. Some of them.
• 50:19
  It's, it's super funny how that is, but I, I, again, I say that
• 50:24
  because I can watch and admire and be like, man, Trent is so
• 50:30
  spot on and so many different things.
• 50:32
  We could disagree on these things, but that doesn't change
• 50:35
  the reality that like I can see the the the gifts of the Spirit.
• 50:38
  Yeah. Well, and I see the gifts of the
• 50:40
  Spirit in you, like fruit of the Spirit.
• 50:41
  Yeah, I see the fruit of the Spirit in you, like I see the.
• 50:43
  So it's like that's the power of the Spirit, right?
• 50:46
  The Spirit blows his breath where he will.
• 50:48
  Like he can have fruit anywhere, even if the person hasn't heard
• 50:52
  the name of Jesus. Like that's the power of the
• 50:53
  Spirit. Now, does that not mean that
• 50:55
  there are ways that he has promised to bring his power?
• 50:58
  And like, as a Catholic, I believe that's like the seal of
• 51:01
  confirmation, and I think that's through baptism.
• 51:03
  Yes, we know we've received the Spirit this way too, but that
• 51:06
  doesn't mean he can't do what he wants to do, right?
• 51:08
  Right, right. So.
• 51:09
  It's, you know, and also we share sacraments.
• 51:12
  I mean, obviously baptism is 1. We share.
• 51:13
  So it's not like we don't have any sacraments in common.
• 51:16
  So we maybe at one point we can get and maybe get in, maybe we
• 51:19
  could get in Trent and we could get in some other.
• 51:22
  Evangelical and do. Some kind of a convo on those
• 51:26
  differences? Gavin Ortland is really good on
• 51:29
  these conversations and. Where does he live?
• 51:31
  He is in near 6 flags. What is that area of local?
• 51:36
  He's local. I've been wanting to have him on
• 51:38
  the channel. It would be fun to do something.
• 51:40
  Well, Trent, and I've been texting with Trent before about
• 51:42
  having him come out here at some point.
• 51:43
  I want I had him and his wife via Zoom, which was so cute
• 51:47
  'cause she has a channel too. Laura, Morning, OH.
• 51:49
  My goodness. Hilarious.
• 51:51
  Oh, that's great. She might be my favorite YouTube
• 51:52
  channel just because she does these, like, ridiculous skits
• 51:55
  about, like, Catholic inside jokes.
• 51:57
  Oh, that's so funny. It's very fun.
• 51:59
  I didn't know that. Yeah.
• 51:59
  Trent, me and Trent were just texting because I've had him on
• 52:02
  my channel before and I thought we had a really.
• 52:03
  Because one of the things I do, whether I'm talking about
• 52:05
  progressive Christian or I'm talking to a Catholic or however
• 52:07
  I don't like straw manning people, I want to poke and get
• 52:13
  the answers in a good faith dialogue to actually come to the
• 52:17
  conclusions. And so instead of like
• 52:18
  Christians being like, well, Catholics, they just pray to
• 52:20
  marry. And it's like, no, no, no, let's
• 52:21
  let Trent unpack what? What does that?
• 52:24
  Mean what does that? Mean and and.
• 52:25
  Let's let Catholics define their terms.
• 52:27
  Let's not tell as Protestants were Catholics.
• 52:30
  That doesn't make any sense. And so I like having those
• 52:33
  conversations. And I thought it was a great
• 52:34
  conversation and it seemed like my community thought it was a
• 52:36
  great conversation. But there was definitely folks
• 52:38
  that were like Rosanna sitting down with Catholics.
• 52:40
  And I'm like, yeah, and I'm sitting down with Adam 22, you
• 52:42
  know, like, and I'm sitting down with everybody, right?
• 52:44
  Like I want to have as many conversations as possible.
• 52:46
  But I think like, again, going back to I appreciate the
• 52:50
  continuity in the way you guys care, operate these spaces.
• 52:54
  And I think it's because you guys come from a more unified
• 52:59
  view. And I think Christians maybe
• 53:01
  struggle to navigate these or not, excuse me, Protestants will
• 53:05
  struggle to navigate these spaces because we don't know if
• 53:08
  we want to show up and be the fundamentalist or show up and be
• 53:10
  the evangelical or show up and be the CS Lewis Mere
• 53:13
  Christianity guy. Like we don't, we don't know.
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  And it, and that's why I'm, I'm just watching.
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  I'm like, why? There's a lot to glean from how
• 53:19
  you guys operate. And well, I mean, I think the
• 53:22
  the thing that is the the secret weapon for any of us is truth.
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  And it's true truth that you can explain and you can even point
• 53:30
  to nature, you know, because that's the natural law.
• 53:32
  You can see it in the way that the world operates.
• 53:35
  And when you have truth backing up what you're trying to argue
• 53:39
  for, even if you make mistakes, the truth is still true.
• 53:43
  And you can maybe call, you know, call a friend for help.
• 53:45
  Or you could say, oh, wait, let me clarify that.
• 53:47
  And you're not trying to invent some argument as you go to,
• 53:50
  like, try to persuade someone. You're just doing your best job
• 53:54
  of representing what you know to be true.
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  And I think that provides a totally different level of
• 53:59
  confidence for people who are coming in there, true,
• 54:02
  completely trusting in the power of the truth and just doing
• 54:06
  their best job at representing it versus like, OK, I, I this is
• 54:09
  what I believe and what I stand for, but I don't know, like how
• 54:12
  to articulate it. And like, you know, maybe
• 54:14
  they're going to beat me on this argument because not that they
• 54:16
  think it's not true, but it's like they don't feel confident
• 54:19
  in it and they're not sure even how to articulate it.
• 54:21
  That's good. That's good.
• 54:23
  So, yeah, so do you think that we're going to hit a time soon?
• 54:28
  Because like only fans, I actually wanted to bring this up
• 54:30
  to you because you were mentioning the polling or the,
• 54:34
  you know, there's a survey done that shows sexual morality and
• 54:37
  sort of making a comeback a little bit.
• 54:40
  Do you think that we're going to hit?
• 54:41
  When do you think we're going to hit a tipping point with it?
• 54:43
  I saw this tweet this morning I wanted to share with you from
• 54:47
  the younger brother of Miley Cyrus.
• 54:50
  Now Full disclosure, I'm not like super familiar with the
• 54:53
  Cyrus family. Nor is this a full endorsement
• 54:56
  of everything else he has ever said.
• 54:57
  That's all the fundamentalists watching.
• 54:59
  But I will say I've noticed the family before because there's
• 55:02
  like multiple kids. They all seem really talented.
• 55:05
  And I think Miley Cyrus is really talented.
• 55:07
  I certainly noticed when she had like the abortion, the cake that
• 55:11
  says abortionist healthcare and she's licking it.
• 55:13
  I mean, it's absolutely disgusting.
• 55:14
  And that was just again, so like it it, it deeply grieved me
• 55:19
  because it's like when I see talent like that and then I see
• 55:22
  it backing up acts of murder against a baby.
• 55:26
  It's just you just think, why, where, where are we at?
• 55:30
  You know, where's this going to go?
• 55:32
  But that being said, her brother and again, I think Miley is
• 55:35
  going to end up in a good place long term.
• 55:36
  I have, I have belief for that for her.
• 55:38
  I think she's on her journey. But this guy Trace, her brother
• 55:41
  put out the statement that he's getting a ton of heat for that.
• 55:44
  I wanted to share. So he says, and he's got, you
• 55:47
  know, a million followers or, you know, he's like his own
• 55:50
  personality. He's a singer too, and.
• 55:51
  There's Trace Cyrus. Is that what I just?
• 55:53
  Said Trace Cyrus and he says there's so many girls that do.
• 55:56
  Only fans that have lost their chance of ever settling down
• 56:00
  with a guy with good morals. They will try and call those men
• 56:03
  insecure for having standards. They get a lot of attention from
• 56:06
  guys on OF, so they think they have options, but any guy who is
• 56:09
  so desperate to see sexual content they're willing to pay
• 56:11
  for is a desperate loser. That's true.
• 56:14
  I mean, that's good. Like it's holding the guys
• 56:16
  accountable too. A lot of successful guys will
• 56:18
  sleep with those girls, but they don't want to wife them.
• 56:20
  Contradiction. Don't sleep with someone you
• 56:22
  wouldn't wife. Hello, hello.
• 56:25
  So again, there's not like full awareness in this, but there's
• 56:28
  some good, there's some gems. I see a lot of these girls
• 56:30
  speaking out on this now, saying they can't get a serious
• 56:32
  relationship. It's because these guys seek
• 56:35
  value in the girls strictly for sex.
• 56:36
  They don't look at these women and equate their value as future
• 56:38
  wife, mother, Lord, partner, blah blah.
• 56:41
  I just think that this is extremely toxic.
• 56:43
  I hope more girls continue to speak up about this so other
• 56:47
  girls know the risk. Having a good man and a family
• 56:49
  will bring you more happiness in old age than OF ever could.
• 56:51
  Come on, come on. You know what the saddest part
• 56:54
  about Only Fans is? Last summer I was on Value
• 56:58
  Tainment and they are kind of doing this kind of similar
• 57:01
  format. And we sat down with a lady who
• 57:05
  was doing Only Fans with her husband, just her and her
• 57:07
  husband. I think she grew up very
• 57:09
  conservative, like the whole thing, right?
• 57:12
  And so they do that and they make a lot of money, I think 6
• 57:16
  figures a month or something crazy.
• 57:18
  But the sad part about Only Fans is that that those are the
• 57:22
  outliers. Only Fans is a lot like locals
• 57:26
  or Patreon that there's a lot of creators on there that don't
• 57:30
  make any money. But they're.
• 57:32
  Trying or they're make very little money so well he's
• 57:36
  talking about a lot of girls doing.
• 57:37
  MLM. No, in a way like.
• 57:40
  It's just, yeah, yeah, it's like, it's like the ratios would
• 57:42
  be similar to attempting to, but.
• 57:46
  They're selling it, right? They're selling their success
• 57:49
  like I'm OF and I have all this money and yeah, they're not
• 57:52
  necessarily getting a kickback when another girl signs up, but
• 57:54
  other girls are signing up like I'm going to make some quick
• 57:56
  money this way. And then they're literally
• 57:59
  giving away like their most intimate parts of their bodies,
• 58:03
  selling it to dudes online on there forever.
• 58:06
  That's their reputation. That's their, the way they're
• 58:09
  treating their dignity and they're like, you know, even if
• 58:12
  they made $100 million, like it doesn't matter.
• 58:14
  But to your point, they're making like 5 bucks or you know,
• 58:17
  whatever, 500 bucks. Creators, and I'm sure we could
• 58:20
  verify this is on only fans do not make amazing money.
• 58:25
  That's the sad part. And so you're doing something
• 58:28
  that is out there forever. And for randos.
• 58:32
  For randos and it can potentially creep back up when
• 58:35
  you're trying when you say transition or say you want to
• 58:38
  get married or say right. You well, even Adam 22 and LED
• 58:41
  us at that. They're like that.
• 58:42
  Once in, you're done. Like you can't switch your
• 58:44
  career again. There's no closing Pandora's
• 58:46
  Box. It's, it's, it's, it's it.
• 58:48
  And so that's the set. So what I think he's saying is
• 58:51
  so intrinsically it's it's, it's intrinsically true, but it's
• 58:54
  even worse than that. Like it's worse than that in
• 58:56
  that the pay, the upside of whatever allure of money is
• 59:01
  there isn't really an upside. Like it's it's similar to you,
• 59:04
  you mentioned MLM. I would say YouTube or trying to
• 59:08
  start a podcast. Like there's hundreds of
• 59:10
  thousands of only fan creators that will never make any money
• 59:13
  or any or any meaningful significant money.
• 59:16
  And they've sold to your point, the most intimate parts of
• 59:19
  themselves. And that's sad.
• 59:20
  And I don't think, though I don't, I haven't seen anyone
• 59:22
  really talk about that besides. That's a new phenomenon, right?
• 59:25
  I mean, a decade ago OF wasn't a thing five years ago, right?
• 59:28
  I don't even think it was a thing.
• 59:29
  What's when did it first? I would say around the pandemic
• 59:32
  is when I heard it heard it. Expected even talking and talked
• 59:35
  about. There's only fans.
• 59:35
  And then I was like, oh, it's. Everywhere.
• 59:37
  And I think that, and there's a whole generation of girls who
• 59:41
  think it's increasingly there's generations of girls who think
• 59:45
  that this is sort of a potentially viable option to
• 59:48
  explore. And, you know, this is a social
• 59:51
  experiment on young women and young men and not just young,
• 59:55
  but old, because, you know, there's a lot of older men who
• 59:57
  are the patrons of these young girls or whatever.
• 1:00:00
  And it's a social experiment. What's the longevity of this
• 1:00:03
  thing? My my sort of hope and kind of
• 1:00:05
  what you're saying earlier about numbers and the culture is
• 1:00:08
  getting more moral is. There's going to be, there's
• 1:00:11
  chaos right now running all directions with people believing
• 1:00:14
  different things, trying different things.
• 1:00:16
  But I think the more that the sort of social media generation
• 1:00:19
  grows up like Jen's ears, millennials to some degree, but
• 1:00:23
  we didn't, we're not raised with the Internet the same way Jen's
• 1:00:25
  ears were. They have a, they've never known
• 1:00:28
  the world without their iPhone, without social media.
• 1:00:31
  And then the even younger, the alpha generation who's under the
• 1:00:34
  Jen's ears, they grew up with many of them, their parents just
• 1:00:36
  putting their most intimate moments on social media
• 1:00:38
  constantly, right? And so their experience after
• 1:00:42
  they've had a moment to sit back and be like, OK, what just
• 1:00:45
  happened is this, is this what life is about?
• 1:00:48
  Is this how to live? And there were the choices they
• 1:00:50
  make after they had that moment of really thoughtfulness.
• 1:00:53
  That's what, that's what gives me hope because at some point
• 1:00:56
  there's a lot of people are just going to be like, no, this is
• 1:00:58
  not, this is not the way to go. Here's my prediction of two
• 1:01:03
  content niches that may explode on YouTube in the next 5 years.
• 1:01:08
  Content is good #1 is there will be a huge number of detransition
• 1:01:15
  people who are sharing their horror stories and telling
• 1:01:19
  people as a cautionary tale. Don't go down this route.
• 1:01:22
  Don't. Don't do it.
• 1:01:23
  Already happening. Yeah, already happening, but I
• 1:01:25
  think it's going to be even bigger.
• 1:01:27
  And then number 2 is going to be ex only fans, models who didn't
• 1:01:31
  make any money and put themselves out there.
• 1:01:34
  And they're going to be sharing the horror stories of what it
• 1:01:36
  was like with those pictures getting sent around to their
• 1:01:39
  college campus or those pictures getting sent around to their
• 1:01:42
  employer and, and, and telling people, don't do it.
• 1:01:46
  Start that podcast instead. Don't do it.
• 1:01:48
  Start that YouTube channel instead.
• 1:01:49
  Don't do it. Start a tic tac, start a
• 1:01:51
  business, start an at sea. I think that is that that's my
• 1:01:55
  prediction. I think that's where this is
• 1:01:56
  going to go. That's hopeful.
• 1:01:57
  Yeah. Hopefully, hopefully, it's just
• 1:01:59
  going to go really bad. I think so.
• 1:02:00
  Too. I mean, like, think about
• 1:02:01
  smoking today. A generation sees it so
• 1:02:03
  differently, you know, riding without your seat belt.
• 1:02:06
  I mean, I don't know. I think, I think that we learn
• 1:02:09
  things like so much of what we learn, yes, it comes from our
• 1:02:12
  family, but it kind of comes from the, whatever social ideas
• 1:02:17
  we're swimming in. And the more of those I, the
• 1:02:19
  more of those messages that are out there, the more weight
• 1:02:21
  they're going to have. So it's, it's hopeful.
• 1:02:23
  I, I agree with you. I agree with you on that.
• 1:02:25
  Yeah. So it'll be interesting how it
• 1:02:26
  all plays out. All right, well, lots of good
• 1:02:29
  stuff. I mean, were you?
• 1:02:31
  Would you do whatever again? Oh, yeah, yeah.
• 1:02:33
  I would do whatever again. I think I would be more
• 1:02:35
  selective. Like I think I was just kind of
• 1:02:37
  pumped to do it and, and I was, I was so grateful that you got
• 1:02:40
  me on there. I think the next time around I'd
• 1:02:42
  probably be like, can we be a bit more focused?
• 1:02:45
  Do you know I would do it? And that's.
• 1:02:47
  And Brian seems to be a really open like when I've given him
• 1:02:50
  ideas or guest recommendations, like he seems really willing to
• 1:02:54
  engage on things if it makes for a good show.
• 1:02:55
  It's an interesting conversation.
• 1:02:57
  He's willing to go for it. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:02:58
  So yeah, I would be able to do that.
• 1:02:59
  I'm excited. Me and Destiny have been texting
• 1:03:02
  about doing something together. Nice.
• 1:03:03
  So I'm curious what that conversation would be like in
• 1:03:06
  terms of just trying to understand him better.
• 1:03:09
  Like like what? Like how he became this guy.
• 1:03:12
  Now, I think that would be fun to explore.
• 1:03:14
  That would probably be another like 4 hour conversation I would
• 1:03:16
  have. But yeah, I think there's a
• 1:03:18
  place to have charitable good faith conversations where you're
• 1:03:23
  not. It's just not for trying to dunk
• 1:03:25
  on the other person and make them look stupid.
• 1:03:27
  And so I, I, yeah, I would absolutely go on.
• 1:03:29
  Whatever again. Yeah.
• 1:03:30
  Yeah, well, you do a great job of trying to understand people.
• 1:03:32
  Thank you. Thank you for for helping set
• 1:03:34
  that up. That was great.
• 1:03:35
  I was so excited. Well, I hope that I hope to see
• 1:03:39
  see you on again. And I, I afterwards I was
• 1:03:42
  texting with my husband. I'm like, maybe we'll wait like,
• 1:03:44
  you know, because it's, it's a lot to go and then you're there
• 1:03:47
  till like, you know, 2:00 AM or whatever in the morning.
• 1:03:49
  But I was also, you know, afterwards talking with you and
• 1:03:52
  like, Hey, what if we did a a dating?
• 1:03:54
  Show a dating show. A little different that.
• 1:03:56
  Would be fun. Well, I already told you what,
• 1:03:58
  what, what book I think you should write, which I think
• 1:04:00
  would be huge. And I think there is such.
• 1:04:03
  I feel like as all this stuff gets exposed as the only fans
• 1:04:07
  racket gets exposed as the correlation between trafficking
• 1:04:11
  and that world gets exposed. I think as all these things gets
• 1:04:14
  exposed. Obviously the work you're doing
• 1:04:15
  with the pro-life movement and just the complete darkness that
• 1:04:19
  the the the terminating a pregnancy is and the emotional
• 1:04:22
  ice, emotional consequences, the physical concert.
• 1:04:24
  I think there's going to be a huge need of women that maybe
• 1:04:29
  they're not even people of faith.
• 1:04:31
  Maybe they're not. They're just like, how do I just
• 1:04:34
  be a better woman? And.
• 1:04:36
  Be and be at peace. And be at peace and what, and
• 1:04:40
  what do I, what do I need to work on right.
• 1:04:43
  And, and, and can I do it in a way where I'm not throwing away
• 1:04:46
  my career and my opportunity to build a business someday or
• 1:04:51
  whatever. And I think there I think it's
• 1:04:53
  going to be a huge opportunity for Someone Like You to step up
• 1:04:56
  to speak to lead and not and them not go to the Internet, you
• 1:05:02
  know, and not go to all the toxicity that they can get from
• 1:05:05
  some of these other platforms. And so, yeah, I'm excited for
• 1:05:08
  with. The work of doing super, I feel
• 1:05:10
  like I've been given all of these gifts of just, you know,
• 1:05:13
  what I've learned from people over the years, the mentorship
• 1:05:16
  I've gotten and all the coaches I've had and all the books I've
• 1:05:18
  read and just, it's just and, and being given that much, you
• 1:05:22
  have this responsibility. I want to share that because
• 1:05:24
  it's such good stuff. It's not shame, it's not guilt.
• 1:05:27
  It's not like control. This is freedom to choose love.
• 1:05:31
  That's what it all comes down to.
• 1:05:33
  So yeah, excited to see you. Can do like a how to how to wife
• 1:05:36
  boot camp. I don't I know I saw I saw that
• 1:05:39
  from like pearly things. I was like sheer wife, you know,
• 1:05:42
  I'm so I mean, I'm five years in right.
• 1:05:44
  And so, but I did spend like before meeting my husband.
• 1:05:47
  Most of my 20s was spent in my teens, like dreaming about what
• 1:05:51
  does it look like to be ready for a husband like to have a
• 1:05:55
  family. And I had a lot of issues.
• 1:05:56
  Like I'm not like, Oh, I had a perfect experience growing up
• 1:05:59
  and everything was perfect. Like I have an amazing parents,
• 1:06:01
  but there were plenty of issues and I shared some of this in my
• 1:06:03
  book Fighting for Life about kind of personal issues I had.
• 1:06:06
  But ultimately, you know, it is a journey.
• 1:06:09
  Like there's no arrival with being a being a wife.
• 1:06:12
  I'm learning as I go, but I think there are core things you
• 1:06:14
  can do to prepare for sure, and women should do.
• 1:06:18
  And I think we are men and women thrown into dating, which is why
• 1:06:23
  I think a dating show would be interesting.
• 1:06:24
  Not that we're trying to copy Brian because no one can copy
• 1:06:27
  whatever he's doing his own thing, but something that's more
• 1:06:29
  intentional about like how do we do this well and try to make it
• 1:06:33
  entertaining along the way, because otherwise it's like it
• 1:06:35
  has can't just be like all medicine, no sugar, like make it
• 1:06:38
  interesting. Have different people on like
• 1:06:40
  telling their stories, like the drama of like the mistakes and
• 1:06:44
  learning from them. But how do we do this?
• 1:06:46
  Well, so we can meet the love of your our lives, get married to
• 1:06:50
  them, You're happily married. I'm super happily married.
• 1:06:53
  Like we are so blessed and then be able to raise an amazing
• 1:06:56
  family. Like, yeah, we're making our
• 1:06:58
  mistakes, but we're trying and we're doing it in community.
• 1:07:01
  And it's, it's like a it's joy. Like there's so much joy in it.
• 1:07:05
  And we just want other people to have that.
• 1:07:06
  Joy. Yeah, we did a thing for a
• 1:07:09
  while. It was hard to do a
• 1:07:11
  consistently, but we did a thing on Saturday nights and it was
• 1:07:14
  called Singles night. Oh nice on YouTube.
• 1:07:16
  On YouTube and it was on this, my second channel, it was a live
• 1:07:19
  stream and so this is what I would do.
• 1:07:20
  You're like lording over it as Mr. Married Man.
• 1:07:23
  Yeah. So I would, I would like throw
• 1:07:24
  on a suit. We'd like do the lighting
• 1:07:26
  different in the studio. That sounds great.
• 1:07:28
  And then I people can send their super chats and their super
• 1:07:33
  chats, I would pull up their Instagram and I would pull up
• 1:07:36
  their Instagram and I would just give them feedback on their
• 1:07:38
  Instagram. I'd be like Instagram's the best
• 1:07:40
  dating app. And I'll give them feedback on
• 1:07:42
  their Instagram. And then I would say, and then I
• 1:07:44
  would be like, Hey, if you're interested in this person, slide
• 1:07:47
  in their DMS, you know, and I'm not responsible.
• 1:07:50
  I'm not responsible for anything that happens afterwards.
• 1:07:54
  But and so I we would get 1000 people live.
• 1:07:58
  Why did you stop doing that? I because I was doing it on
• 1:08:00
  Saturday nights and it was like people that aren't out, yeah, I
• 1:08:03
  gotta figure out if I could do it on a different night.
• 1:08:06
  That's not. Would show up on a Wednesday
• 1:08:07
  night, yeah. They probably show up whenever
• 1:08:08
  and so it was hilarious. Maybe I'm gonna try that.
• 1:08:11
  That's it was hilarious. So that could be a fun format.
• 1:08:14
  Full Did people, did you feel like there were any?
• 1:08:16
  Like were any success? Did successful matches come?
• 1:08:19
  From I, I don't know, but I know people definitely met and went
• 1:08:22
  on dates from that and connected and people reached.
• 1:08:26
  Out the battle is just meeting people.
• 1:08:27
  Yeah, and it and it was hard though, because sometimes people
• 1:08:30
  would so I would try to go back to like, hey, you dress amazing,
• 1:08:36
  but buddy, you got to lose some weight.
• 1:08:39
  Like, I would give them actual feedback, you know.
• 1:08:41
  And so that part was hard, especially telling women that
• 1:08:44
  sometimes that part was like. I'll come on and I'll get the.
• 1:08:47
  So that would be fun if you wanted to do something like
• 1:08:49
  that, if you came on and you were like, the, the, the, the,
• 1:08:52
  the truth. Yeah.
• 1:08:54
  To women. Yeah.
• 1:08:55
  Because they just felt weird. And then it was also weird to
• 1:08:57
  compliment women. I felt weird complimenting
• 1:08:59
  women. Fair.
• 1:09:00
  So I. Well.
• 1:09:00
  That's why I think if I did a dating show, I'd want to do it
• 1:09:03
  with another guy. Yeah.
• 1:09:04
  And we could have other girls in there and other guys, too.
• 1:09:06
  But I think it's good to have both perspectives represented.
• 1:09:10
  And I think having people who are married there, who've been
• 1:09:13
  through the gam, you know, the gauntlet or whatever, I think
• 1:09:15
  there's a lot of value. Not that we don't have singles
• 1:09:17
  on, obviously. And we have like, old.
• 1:09:18
  Like, I want to have the old. I want the old people on, you
• 1:09:21
  know, I want the couple that's been married 50 years with all
• 1:09:25
  of their issues that they've had to tell me what are your
• 1:09:28
  secrets? And I want them to break away,
• 1:09:30
  break down the takeaways. OK, though it's nice.
• 1:09:33
  My secret was, you know, we never said, you know, we always
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  said sorry. OK.
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  All right, well, how do you say sorry when you're mad?
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  Like, let's break it down. What are some actual tactics and
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  strategies to employ this great advice we just got from Susie
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  and Dan or whatever. Married 50 years.
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  Yeah. So there we go.
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  So next time we have you come down, we could try or?
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  You come here too. We could.
• 1:09:50
  Do it here. We could try that format and
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  have I love it. That's so fun.
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  And give them feedback. Yeah, yeah.
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  And then they and they end up meeting each other and what do
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  you guys? Like somebody.
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  Let me know what somebody met and got married.
• 1:10:01
  We that would be the success, right?
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  So we'd have to actually like, have some fruit to show.
• 1:10:05
  I wonder if they just show me send me a wedding invitation, if
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  that. If that could be, it would be a
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  lot of weddings, could be a lot of weddings.
• 1:10:11
  Yeah. Awesome.
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  Well, thanks for coming on. Thank you for.
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  Having me, I'm so humbled to be back.
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  Two times. Alrighty.
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