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Recap Vergil Ortiz and preview Ring 4 · Boxing B-Sides

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  The B -Side in boxing. B -Side shit. B -Side.
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  B -Side. And the B -Side. You got a B -Side.
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  The B -Side. B -Side. B -Side. B -Side. The B
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  -Side thing. This is the B -Sides Boxing Podcast.
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  Oh shit. Alright. Let's fucking do this thing.
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  Boxing B -sides. Back up in your ears, bitch.
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  Joined by the one and only Saul. Let's fucking
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  go, Virgil. I can't even hold it in. Let's fucking
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  go, Virgil. And Josh, the rant man. The rant
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  man. Congrats, Virgil. Boots in four. We'll talk
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  about it more right now, but go fuck yourself.
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  It went up, it went up, it went up. I had boots
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  in three. That's true. I respect that. I respect
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  that. Now we're boots in four. That's an improvement,
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  which means it's going to be Virgil in five.
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  Let's get some news out of the way. Ray Murataya
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  versus Andy Cruz. This is for the IBF 135 title.
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  God bless. Andy Cruz is going to own this guy.
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  You think so? Absolutely. Morotaya has the Robert
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  Garcia buff. The Robert Garcia buff. Andy Cruz
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  has... Yes. I will say, I have a slight... The
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  slight feeling, we talked about this last week,
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  that, like, the thing that Bokrum is not doing,
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  Andy Cruz is kind of coasted by its TVA. Oh,
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  he's been playing himself up or playing himself
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  down. Yeah, he's been. I don't think purposely.
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  I just think he's coasted. Like, he doesn't need
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  to. Nah. He doesn't need to step it up. I mean,
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  if you look at his fights with Keyshawn and the
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  amateurs, he only puts in as much as he needs.
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  He gets what he gets. Yeah. A little bit more.
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  Just to win. Again, Murataya, top guy in the
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  division. Definitely is going to bring something
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  good out of Andy Cruz. Oh, speaking of bringing
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  out the best, Teofimo versus Shakur. It's all
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  but certain for January. Do you think Teofimo
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  can bring the best out of Shakur? I think he
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  can. Yes. Yes. If he shows up prepared. I hope
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  praying to God that like Joey Gamache works for
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  like pennies or something. I'm going to say a
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  controversial opinion about this fight. And honestly,
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  I don't want to make it seem like I'm supporting
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  a racist because I don't support Teofimo. You
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  know, I don't support him anymore for that shit.
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  But every time Teofimo has fought, and I know
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  you guys don't support Loma as much as others
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  do. but he was the first to legitimately beat
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  him. I think that with Josh Taylor, too, he stepped
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  up. I know you guys can talk smack about Josh
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  Taylor, too, but those were his two best wins.
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  I don't talk shit about the Lomachenko victory.
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  No, that was a good win. I give Joey Gamache
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  crazy amounts of credit because say what you
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  will about Teofimo's inherent talent, he's also
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  not smart. That is a fucking screw -up. Like,
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  he's an idiot. He's an idiot. So the fact that
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  Joey Gamache was able to get this raw athletic
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  material to outsmart guys like Lomachenko is...
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  I'm very impressed. Underrated. I give a lot
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  of credit there. What I will say with Teofimo
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  is that I don't really see him winning the fight
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  because the fighters that he's looked worst against
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  are fighters that are similar to Shakur. Not
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  similar in the sense of skill, but similar in
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  the sense of style. You know, what was it? I
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  forgot his name. It's on the top of my head.
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  It was the Greatest Showman card. You guys remember
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  that? It was against... Yeah. What was his name?
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  Please don't mind me. I'm looking now. Jermaine
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  Ortiz? Jermaine Ortiz. There you go. Jermaine
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  Ortiz. Jermaine Ortiz. That fight was atrocious.
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  I think the Sandor one was worse, man. He couldn't
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  even stay on his own two feet. I think he lost
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  that. But Sandor was a negative fighter, though.
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  Sandor was more of a negative fighter. I know,
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  but again, there's ways to fight negative fighters.
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  You can 12 -0 him, like Boots did once, and 10
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  -2 him the second time. Or you can arguably lose
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  to a negative fighter. When he fought Jermaine
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  Ortiz, I'll say this in general of Teo, he does
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  best going backwards. Teo cannot fight on the
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  offense and cut off the ring properly. He cannot.
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  We saw that with Jermaine Ortiz. We saw that
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  with Sandro Martin. And he's with Reynoso. And
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  he's with Reynoso. That makes it even worse.
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  It's going to be rough. I was going to say, burning
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  that bridge with Gamache was not a great thing.
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  He's with Eddie Reynoso? Why? Well, his primary
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  trainer is his dad, but you know how he bounces
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  between gyms like Haney does. Okay. But he's
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  with Reynoso as his... The camp. His real coach.
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  He might just pop for PDs. He might just pop.
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  Oh, man. No, seriously. Honestly, I will say
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  I'm excited for Shakur to get a legitimate actual
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  top win. Yeah, say what you want about Teofimo.
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  He is a top win. If he beats Teofimo... And if
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  Shakur doesn't shit his pants, he should totally
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  put as much of a pasting as he can on Teofimo.
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  I mean, what I'll say about what... Right now,
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  Shakur's resume is lacking, so Tio will obviously
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  be the best win on his resume. And is... I think
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  probably Tio's first legitimate fight in like...
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  What years? 25 years? Yeah. I don't know. I understood
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  Barboza was also a decent win, but... You know,
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  Shakur... If you beat Shakur, that would be a
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  good... a pretty damn good fucking win. I'm glad
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  it's happening. Like, it's not gonna be a fun
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  fight in the slightest. Like, either direction
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  that it could happen, like, either it's boring
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  and it's even, it's boring and it's one -way
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  traffic for Shakur, or it's boring and it's one
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  -way traffic for Teofimo, because he's not, even
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  if he, like, is able to get on top of Shakur,
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  he's not gonna be landing much power. It's just
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  gonna be overwhelming him. Yeah. So it's not
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  interesting, but it's one for the purists. I
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  think it's interesting. It's going to be who
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  has the better counter -punching abilities. I'm
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  saying in terms of excitement, this is not a
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  fight of the year contender ever. No. Oh, no.
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  It's interesting to us because we are hardcore,
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  and it's interesting to boxing fans who like
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  boxing matches, but I'm saying no one's going
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  to be put out to pasture bar a huge fuck -up
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  from Shakur. Yeah, me too. We'll be able to recover
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  from it if he loses. Well, most likely when he
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  loses. I think Shakur needs to win. He needs
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  it. He's so in the negative if he loses. Oh,
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  yeah. For multiple reasons, too. He's a no -reward,
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  all -risk guy if he loses this. Yeah. If Shakur
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  loses, This fight, I'm not gonna lie, it's gonna
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  be really hard for him to come back. Yeah, we
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  might not see him in a major card again. Like,
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  he's gonna... He's probably gonna have to go
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  the pro box route. Yeah. Or at least if I can
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  actually, like, legitimately fight. You know?
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  Yeah. I mean, I'm not saying he doesn't, you
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  know, he doesn't show off beautiful boxing skills,
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  but... But, I mean, no one's gonna watch. No
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  one cares about that. No one's gonna watch it.
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  Yeah, nobody wants... I mean, we like it. Even
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  the peers don't even like that. A lot of the
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  time. I like it. But even me, I'm like, damn.
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  I want to see someone like Keyshawn more. Because
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  he has skills and power. And he fights. You know?
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  I got a question for you guys. Of course. So
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  there's casual fans. Then there's the hardcore
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  fans. What do you call the ones in the middle?
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  Well, I feel like there's two levels of hardcore.
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  And there's two levels of casual. Let me explain
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  my four levels of boxing fandom, I guess. With
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  a theory? We get a new theory? Yeah, that's what
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  I was aiming for. Your super casuals are your
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  guys who tune in. They know Mike Tyson and Floyd
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  Mayweather, and that's it. They see those names.
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  They open their wallets. That's the Mayweather
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  -McGregor paying audience. They're guys who watch
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  the NFL and then they tune in the boxing when
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  it's something attractive to them. It's convenient.
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  It's something they know and it's something that
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  they can get excited about because they don't
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  know any better. Next is the regular casual.
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  They know Tank. They know your names. And they
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  pay for a pay -per -view or two every year. And
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  these are the guys who go to fights like they
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  would a concert. It's a whole spectacle. It's
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  a night out. This is the paying audience you
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  actually care about and want to cater to. They
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  make up most of the money in boxing because it's
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  their whole... you book a night off work on a
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  Friday to go to go and pregame and go make the
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  trip out to a fight working stiff yeah like they
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  they don't know about like the niche or guys
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  and it's a little frustrating sometimes but this
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  is where like this is the the audience that boxing
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  needs they watch it on Fox they want like when
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  there's nothing on on Thursdays and Fox used
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  to have for the their cards on Thursdays Does
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  this level of audience know Inoue? They should
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  start. They know Inoue off of Instagram highlights.
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  Okay. They don't know anything below Phantom
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  White. Yeah. They don't know Cruiserweight. Most
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  of their fighters they follow, they get them
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  off Instagram and social media highlights and
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  then decide to pay and tune in. It's that type
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  of casual. Then they get the hardcores. These
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  guys pay, like, they pay for DAZN type stuff.
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  They know they're fighters, but they're not in
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  -depth. Like, they care. They would rather watch,
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  they would still rather watch a barn burner than,
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  like, the two best guys fighting each other if
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  it was boring. T .O. Shakur kind of thing? Yeah.
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  Like, this is a... Like, they'd rather watch,
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  like, let's say, Virgil Boots instead of, like,
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  a Canelo Crawford or a Fury Usyk. Like, Canelo
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  Benavidez is probably their most anticipated
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  fight. Ah, I see. For, like, thinking hardcore.
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  Then the super hardcores is basically where us
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  and most other... online people end up like the
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  0 .1 % they don't pay for sorry the sport sucks
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  the money out of their ass and like they know
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  all the guys they appreciate good boxing matches
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  even if like again it's a lot of you talk about
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  the sport you're active about it the money the
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  money is less But you keep they end up keeping
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  the interest alive because you have to like your
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  co -worker will be like, wow, that virtual guy
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  is pretty cool. I saw an Instagram highlight
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  and then you end up being like, oh, you put like
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  the ultra hardcores end up planting the idea
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  in the casual, the second tier casuals of watching
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  these guys. Like you would never pay, but. your
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  friend would pay to have it on the TV at their
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  place with some beers. And they say, well, I
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  saw this clip of this Virgil Ortiz guy. He looks
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  pretty cool. And then you say, hey, you should
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  check out this dude, Jerron Ennis. You should
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  check out Jerron Ennis. That's like his rival
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  right now. Yeah, or this Inouye guy. Yeah. No,
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  that's how you keep the paying audience. oh,
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  I saw this Inoue guy, like, nuke this other guy
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  on the ESPN ringside on Instagram, and you go
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  like, oh, he's fighting next week on here. We
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  can go to your place and watch it. Like, the
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  ultra -hardcore's almost responsibility, which
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  some people don't get, is you're basically the
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  one introducing the sport to people. Like, you're
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  planting the idea of watching it. So basically
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  religion. Yeah, basically. We're selling a Ponzi
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  scheme. The Church of Box. Church of Box. Because
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  the regular hardcores don't really... They appreciate
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  the sport. They watch a lot of it, but they don't...
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  They're not enthusiastic enough to share it,
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  I feel. Are they the greys that come in asking
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  for streams all the time? Yeah, basically. I
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  feel like that level is more like a... casual
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  than a but it's no but it's a hardcore it's a
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  hardcore compared to a casual like a hardcore
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  knows that there's a fight going on they just
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  don't like they just don't care really outside
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  of their own entertainment of the fight like
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  a hardcore will watch their country's boxing
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  but they won't watch in other countries like
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  again you gotta remember Like, all the greys
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  that come in, like, they're casuals to us because
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  we're, like, the 0 .1 % hardcores that, like,
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  we're here, like, soiling our pants over Inoue
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  Nakatani. That is a casual fight, though. That
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  is a very casual fight. I don't think so. No.
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  No one knows who Nakatani is. They know who Inoue
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  is through Instagram highlights. Maybe not to
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  us, but Japanese, the Japanese people, that's
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  a casual fight. Oh, that's suitable for them.
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  Oh, for sure. I use the Western lens because
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  it's where most of the money in the sport, unfortunately,
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  comes from. Like the natural money, not the Saudi
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  money. Yeah. Like the naturally occurring money
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  comes from selling out stadiums in the States.
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  Yeah. That's just where it is. All the biggest
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  fights happen when you sell out Vegas. And everyone
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  there... It's a vacation for them. It's an event.
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  So, like, again, it's always, like, we're the
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  0 .1 % hardcores. I feel like there's, like,
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  a missing, like, fifth one, though, right in
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  between, like, hardcore, casual, casual, hardcore.
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  I feel like the third, like, the level of hardcore
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  is a bit of a spectrum. Because, like, with casuals,
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  it's very defined as, like... They'll tune in
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  to, like, they've only watched two fights in
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  ten years, and it's Mike Tyson, Jake Paul, and
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  Mayweather McGregor. They know who Terrence Crawford
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  is from the Kendrick Lamar song. Yeah. That's
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  what I mean. Like, it's very obvious what a casual
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  is, but from hardcore, there's, like, a hardcore
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  who, like, they know enough box to watch it,
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  but not to care, and, like, they care a little
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  bit, but not, like, enough to know. They don't
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  go out of their way for it. Yeah, like, they
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  come in and they'll ask for a stream when it's
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  a guy they like, but they don't learn more. Like,
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  the 0 .1 % hardcores are not looking up, like,
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  who Subriel Matias is fighting next. They don't
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  know who Pueyo is, as an example. So the 0 .1%,
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  that's the Discord? Yeah, the Discord. Like,
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  we are the 0 .1 % hardcores. Complete fucking
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  nerds. Even if you're, like, willingly obtuse
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  about not watching some parts of box, you still
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  know. Like watching the women's fights or the
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  smaller weight classes? Yeah, like a guy will
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  go like, I'm not watching midget boxing, but
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  you're aware of Inoue. And you're aware of Nakatani,
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  too. I fucking hate BritBox, but I'm aware of
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  what goes on in BritBox. Again, we surround ourselves
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  with enough .1 % hardcores that we often remember.
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  It's like talking to a coworker when you think
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  about the average person who would... have a
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  passing knowledge of boxing. I was just trying
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  to figure out if I could shoehorn the space between
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  the casual and the hardcore to call them soft
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  cores. Soft cores? Soft core bands. I think you
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  can call the first tier hardcore soft core. Honestly.
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  Again, it's a spectrum. Yeah, it's a spectrum.
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  I hate to say it, but I saw people being like,
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  why is no one watching Better BF Gvozdik? It
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  was like a super fight on top rank. And I'm like,
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  you said the words Gvozdik and top rank. Like,
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  you're already, like, for the casual, you have
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  to say, like, big Russian guy on ESPN. Big Russian
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  versus big Ukrainian. On ESPN. On ESPN, yeah.
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  You can't go Gvazdik, better be him on top rank.
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  Like, that's hardcore language. But that's how
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  I see it, at least. Like, the amount of people
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  who actually know about the sport is far less
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  than we perceive, just because we spend so much
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  time caring and talking about it with other people
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  who care and talk about it. So tell me if this
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  is hardcore language. Emmanuel Navarrete versus
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  Eduardo Nunez. WBO IBF unification on top rank
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  in Phoenix. That hardcore language. They don't
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  even have a TV. They don't even have a TV broadcaster.
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  Nope. That's why I said top rank. They don't
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  even have a TV broadcaster. You can't even say,
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  hey, hop on ESPN this Saturday. Watch ESPN this
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  Saturday. Top rank on fucking Tubi, bro. You
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  know how weird it is? You know how bad it is
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  if you go to your co -worker and say, hey, there's
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  this Mexican guy. He's pretty cool. You have
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  to install this app called Farty McDookie that
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  sounds like malware on your fucking phone to
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  watch it. Or hop on Brazzers. Yeah. Your phone
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  treats it like malware or it's browsers or whatever.
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  Like, no. Or the alternative is hopping on the
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  high Cs where it is malware. Yeah, it's computer
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  herpes. It is just malware unless you have a
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  good ad blocker, which, again, tech literacy
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  is probably less common than boxing literacy.
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  Yeah, but this is a good fight, though. I'm excited
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  for it. Oh, it's absolutely a good fight. I'm
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  actually still shocked Navarrete hasn't lost
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  yet. Yeah, you're funny. He's lost already. He's
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  lost already. I'm saying he hasn't lost, like,
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  he lost to Baranchik, but I'm saying he hasn't
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  lost, like, embarrassingly. He hasn't lost his
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  title. That's kind of embarrassing. Okay, Baranchik
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  is embarrassing. The excuse is that he moved
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  up. That's not an excuse for him, dude. I'm saying,
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  like, I'm shocked he hasn't lost super embarrassingly.
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  Like, again, a slick decision to Baron Chick
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  moving up again too far to 135 is whatever. But
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  I will say somewhere around the time when he
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  fought, like, Liam Wilson and rigged the scales,
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  that's when I was like, this is... That was what
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  I expected him to lose. So I'm shocked he hasn't
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  lost more embarrassingly. Well, this is going
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  to be a clubber. This is a barn burner, I think.
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  Oh, absolutely. It's going to be one hell of
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  a fight. Honestly, I got Nunez for it, but that's
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  just me. I'm feeling Nunez too. Nunez is on the
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  up. He's in his prime, and Navarrete's definitely
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  been on the downslope for a little while. He's
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  been around for a while. Listen, man. The rigging
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  the scale with Liam Wilson is where I kind of
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  drew the line on Navarrete, and I'm like, how
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  the fuck... What is happening here? How does
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  Liam Wilson still drop you when... You showed
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  up way overweight and rigged the scales. There's
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  the... That was a fun incident. I forgot he did
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  that. Liam Wilson, like, right before the fight
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  is like, I have never weighed 126 pounds in my
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  life. It's true. He's never weighed 126 pounds
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  in his life. Yeah, he's always fought at 130,
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  I believe. He fought 130 and 135, and he fought
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  at 140 for his first fight. So the fact that
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  his official weight is 126 pounds for Emmanuel
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  Navarrete, when Emmanuel Navarrete barely squeezed
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  in at under 130, a little sus. Just a little.
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  Well, I mean, you know why. We all know why.
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  Hey, read the fucking scales. It's so obvious.
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  I didn't even try and hide it. He's still almost
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  lost. That's besides the point. I have Nunez.
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  This one's in my city, so I have to go. I think
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  Nunez is going to take it, hopefully. I can't
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  handle another Navarrete win. Jesus. Yeah, top
• 24:46
  rank strongest soldier. I feel like top rank
• 24:49
  is ready to cash him out. It does seem like...
• 24:51
  Oh, they're so done with him. They tried giving
• 24:55
  him the Valdez twice just for him to beat the
• 24:58
  shit out of Valdez. Valdez was ready for the...
• 25:04
  He wasn't ready for the washing machine. He was
• 25:07
  ready to be used as a... A rag under a dog bowl.
• 25:14
  Apparently, Valdez was that washed. To utilize
• 25:23
  Trapo theory. Yep. José Armando Resendiz versus
• 25:32
  Edgar Berlanga. In the works for... I know the
• 25:38
  connotation of this word goes to something else,
• 25:42
  but this is how it was presented to me. First
• 25:45
  trimester of 2026. So sometime in the first four
• 25:51
  months. Verlanca probably loses this. He should
• 25:55
  lose this. I expect him to lose pretty handily.
• 25:58
  I don't think there's... It's tough to imagine
• 26:02
  him winning. Yeah, I have very little faith in
• 26:08
  Edgar Berlanga. It's fun. The King of New York
• 26:11
  memes are fun. He sucks. But yeah, he's not very
• 26:18
  good. That's all I got of the news, though, unless
• 26:22
  there's something else I missed. All right. Let's
• 26:31
  get into the recaps. Motherfucking Probox is
• 26:34
  back, baby. I only picked up three fights from
• 26:39
  this one. Dominic Valle getting the wide UD over
• 26:43
  Rene Alvarado. That was a pretty nice outing.
• 26:52
  Dominic Valle continues to impress. And his competition
• 26:56
  is only going to get better from here. Speaking
• 27:01
  of which, Katsuma Akitsugi. He steps it up to
• 27:05
  Vincent Australabio, gets the stoppage in seven.
• 27:08
  Death by a thousand cuts. That is an impressive
• 27:12
  win, I will say. Drop him like five times. Yep,
• 27:17
  that is an impressive win. Australabio is no
• 27:23
  slouch. I think it was RGF called him, he calls
• 27:30
  him Vince Space Pussy. Yeah. Well, I mean, let's
• 27:35
  get his name. That's his name. Yeah. That's just
• 27:39
  his name. Yeah, it is. There's no slouch. Yeah.
• 27:43
  Vincent Space Pussy, always a good check. A skill
• 27:47
  check for guys. Yeah, I mean, yeah, he showed
• 27:51
  up today. Big time. Oh, that day. No. Big time.
• 27:57
  I will note that the Astro Love You... Only other
• 28:01
  time he's been that badly done, other than like
• 28:06
  a weird flash occurrence in 2018, was Junto Nakatani
• 28:11
  obliterating him in one. Yeah, I mean, that's
• 28:16
  just Nakatani, though. Yeah. Rumor was that Australabio
• 28:21
  had a ruptured appendix, I think it was. That's
• 28:26
  why he got blasted in one. Yeah. Believe that
• 28:30
  if you will, but... Listen, man, I watched Zhelei
• 28:33
  Zhang have his entire body shut down, and he
• 28:38
  still made it all ten with Jerry Forrest. Fun
• 28:43
  story about that fight. The reason, apparently
• 28:46
  the cited reason by Zhang why his body was shutting
• 28:48
  down like that was because he didn't drink water
• 28:51
  for a week before the fight. What? Well... Do
• 28:56
  you want to die? Jerry Forrest? I don't know.
• 29:03
  Oh, man. That's fucking dangerous. Oh, shit.
• 29:14
  But yeah, Katsuma Kitsugi, he's making him better
• 29:19
  every time. So, he's been on Probox fucking how
• 29:25
  many times? Three or four. And he's gotten a
• 29:32
  stoppage, I believe, three out of four times.
• 29:40
  He's not necessarily a stoppage guy. He's got
• 29:43
  14 wins, four KOs. Four knockouts. Yeah, but
• 29:46
  you know what? Clearly he's got some pop that
• 29:53
  you've got to respect him. Yep. Especially three,
• 29:56
  again, as you said, three of his four knockouts
• 29:58
  are recent. So it could just be that four, six,
• 30:04
  eight rounds aren't enough. Yeah, the death by
• 30:09
  a thousand cuts is a good moniker. And headlining
• 30:16
  the card, Delonte Johnson stops Nicholas Floss
• 30:19
  in four. A pretty one -sided affair. I hope to
• 30:28
  see Floss back because he's fun. One thing I
• 30:31
  was surprised about is that he got knocked out
• 30:33
  by, of all people, Tiger Johnson. You know, Tiger
• 30:36
  Johnson's good. I'm not trying to put him down,
• 30:39
  but he's been shown to be a little pillow -fisting
• 30:42
  in the past. So for him to do that, he got that
• 30:46
  pro box buff immediately. I'll tell you that.
• 30:48
  Yeah, he did. Where the fuck did that come from?
• 30:53
  I will say this about Probox. Probox has pretty
• 30:57
  small rings. Yeah. 16 -footers. The rings are
• 31:07
  smaller than your usual huge 30 -foot rings.
• 31:12
  I will say it's a very natural way of encouraging
• 31:16
  action. How often do they make those rings that
• 31:21
  small, besides Probox? A lot of Mexican cards
• 31:25
  have them like that. Mexican cards. Really just
• 31:31
  depends on the A -side. Usually the A -side ends
• 31:34
  up wanting to make it huge for no reason. Depends
• 31:40
  on the A -side style, like Floyd Mayweather would
• 31:43
  want a bigger ring. Vladimir Klitschko was infamous
• 31:47
  for his huge, huge 32, 36 -foot rings. And a
• 31:54
  lot of extra padding. The extra foam. The extra
• 31:57
  foam was crazy. Great catch by Peter Fury when
• 32:04
  it mattered. Yeah, they likened it to stepping
• 32:11
  in sand. Yeah. It checks out. Especially with
• 32:16
  a movement fighter. I mean, it's what it is.
• 32:21
  Sugar Ray Leonard would always get the, like,
• 32:26
  always rejected Mexican gloves for his B -sides.
• 32:32
  Yeah, Floyd rejected Marcos Maidana's Mexican
• 32:37
  gloves. Okay, those gloves were ridiculous. Yeah,
• 32:39
  they were, like, to the extreme. That's different.
• 32:43
  Because that's different. Leonard would reject
• 32:46
  the Mexican Grants and the Reyes. But those Everlast
• 32:53
  MXs that Maidana had, you could see the knuckle
• 32:56
  in the fitting videos. You could see Ellerbee's
• 33:04
  knuckle when he was looking at it. Those were
• 33:08
  ridiculous. Is nobody gonna comment about LRB's
• 33:14
  knuckle? LRB's knuckles. Ah, his hands are fat
• 33:18
  enough, it could be one. Oh, I thought you were
• 33:22
  talking about, like, a moose knuckle. No, you
• 33:23
  could, no. I was like, what the fuck? No, like,
• 33:26
  through the glove, you could see LRB's knuckles.
• 33:31
  Like, it was that bad. Like, that first Maidana
• 33:34
  fight, like, the gloves that got rejected were,
• 33:37
  like, that was ridiculous. That was comically,
• 33:38
  like, unpadded. Anything more for ProBucks? ProBucks,
• 33:48
  good. ProBucks, very good. Alright, let's keep
• 33:53
  it rolling. Saturday, November 8th, Golden Boy
• 33:56
  at the Dickies Arena in Fort Worth, Texas. Before
• 34:00
  we get to the headlines, there's only one, two
• 34:03
  fights really worth pointing out. Amari Jones,
• 34:08
  stoppage in three over Shady Gamor. And Joshua
• 34:13
  Edwards, stoppage in three over Zeno Voris. You're
• 34:20
  just making guys up. Joshua Edwards is the hope
• 34:24
  of American heavyweights. He's our only hope.
• 34:29
  Chad Chibiti came up with some of these guys.
• 34:33
  That was a knockout of all time, too. Zeno Voris
• 34:38
  is a real guy. I'm just being informed. Yeah.
• 34:43
  Yeah. His corner pulled him because he was just
• 34:48
  getting pieced up. Good for his corner. His corner's
• 34:52
  like, yeah, you know what? Fuck this. I've seen
• 34:54
  enough. We have a fight next week. We have a
• 34:58
  fight next week, guys. Like, come on. Pull him
• 35:00
  out. Jason Voorhees. Nino Voorhees. And Jason,
• 35:06
  he was not. Yeah, Jason, he was not. That's all
• 35:11
  I got to say. Let's go Joshua Edwards' future.
• 35:14
  No, the actual shit we care about. Yeah, I'm
• 35:18
  skipping all the other stuff because the fights
• 35:21
  were fucking awful. I've seen two draws on BoxRec.
• 35:26
  Lawrence Cole is a referee, so I'm going to gouge
• 35:29
  my eyes out before I watch those fights back.
• 35:33
  Virgil Ortiz stops Erickson Lubin in two. Oh,
• 35:38
  man, he had him slumped on the ropes. What a
• 35:42
  stoppage. We talked about this before this ended
• 35:48
  up in the lost tapes. We were talking about how
• 35:53
  Virgil Ortiz did not have the luxury of going
• 35:58
  rounds with Erickson Lubin, right? Nope. Because
• 36:02
  of the beating that Boots put on Luisma Lima.
• 36:06
  Even though Lima, well, at the time, in hindsight,
• 36:10
  we thought, or at the time, we thought Lima,
• 36:13
  or that Lubin was a better opponent than Lima.
• 36:16
  Does that stand? Does that point still stand?
• 36:18
  Is Erickson Lubin still better than Lima? 100%,
• 36:22
  yeah. In a fight, Erickson Lubin would totally
• 36:25
  own Lima. That being said, what was Lubin's plan?
• 36:30
  Like, he spent, like, I get it. He spent a lot
• 36:33
  of time in the ropes against the... Jesus Ramos.
• 36:36
  But also, like, are you really going to sit against
• 36:38
  the ropes of the high guard not moving your head
• 36:41
  against Virgil? The first round, he was using
• 36:45
  his reach. He was using his jab pretty effectively.
• 36:48
  Yeah, like he was tagging. I'm not saying he
• 36:51
  was going to hurt Virgil ever. But he was making
• 36:53
  Virgil work for those opportunities on the inside.
• 36:56
  The second round, he backed up to the ropes and
• 36:59
  basically lied down for Virgil to take his soul.
• 37:05
  Full credit to Virgil because a lesser men would
• 37:09
  have totally just would have not been able to
• 37:11
  tear him down at least that quickly. Jesus Ramos
• 37:15
  couldn't. No. But, like, what's the game plan?
• 37:24
  What's the thought process? I'm, like, holding
• 37:27
  it in. I'm, like, holding it until Josh is done.
• 37:29
  Yeah, I was going to say, Saul, your containment
• 37:32
  cannot be. Go ahead. Go ahead. I'm just saying,
• 37:35
  like, my one – again, lesser – like, Virgil,
• 37:39
  absolutely premier offensive talent in the sport
• 37:42
  for being able to tear that down that quickly.
• 37:45
  But Erickson Lubin, surely he knew who he was
• 37:48
  up against, and that was a really stupid game
• 37:51
  plan. So, go ahead. What I'm going to say about
• 37:57
  Virgil – oh, my God. Oh, my God, dude. That was
• 38:01
  – That was beautiful. At first, I'm going to
• 38:04
  be honest, at first that stoppage did seem a
• 38:07
  little sus to me. On first watch, I thought it
• 38:14
  was way too early and the ref stopped it because
• 38:16
  they knew that the boots fight was lining up.
• 38:19
  However, on that second time around when they
• 38:21
  showed it in slow -mo, holy shit, Lubin was out
• 38:26
  on his feet. That was brutal. And with a little
• 38:32
  time that Virgil fought, he showed some skills,
• 38:35
  man. Like, Lubin was obviously going to try to
• 38:39
  outbox him. He tried to, in the first round,
• 38:43
  he put a little bit, he was moving around the
• 38:45
  ring. But Virgil already knew what he was going
• 38:48
  to do. Virgil figured him out pretty damn early.
• 38:52
  I was surprised. I thought that it was going
• 38:56
  to be... Yeah. Yeah. Sending a hook, dude? Oh,
• 39:27
  my God. Oh, my God. That was fantastic. You know,
• 39:32
  and he was, honestly, he was using some lateral
• 39:34
  movement, too. A little bit of lateral movement.
• 39:37
  That was nice. That was nice. I got to give Virgil
• 39:41
  my props because that was the best possible outcome
• 39:44
  for the fight. Because if it went the distance
• 39:46
  or even a late KO, people would have been, you
• 39:50
  know, saying, you know, it was a, he should have
• 39:53
  gone to KO. Why would he get it that late? Why
• 39:56
  did he go with the decision? And if Virgil lost,
• 39:58
  his career would pretty much be over. You know?
• 40:02
  But he got the KO in round two. And not only
• 40:06
  that, after the fight, he called him boots into
• 40:09
  the ring. That's some badass shit right there.
• 40:11
  I mean, maybe it was planned. That was totally
• 40:13
  planned. Unless he lost. That was still pretty
• 40:19
  damn cool to see. Anytime somebody quote -unquote
• 40:26
  invades the ring or is brought into the ring,
• 40:28
  it's always planned. There have been times where
• 40:32
  fighters have tried to get into the ring to talk
• 40:34
  shit, and they get stopped. Security is too good
• 40:38
  at fights for that to happen. Yeah, they'll stop
• 40:42
  them. So if they came up to... If he comes into
• 40:45
  the ring to jawjack, then it's... I've seen Demetrius
• 40:49
  Andrade get stopped by security at least twice.
• 40:52
  That's who I was thinking of. Andrade kept trying
• 40:55
  to do this. No one humored it. Security would
• 40:58
  just be like, you're not getting up there. Honestly,
• 41:02
  obviously I know his plan, but it was like...
• 41:04
  That was bad. It was still cool. Yeah, it was
• 41:08
  cool. It's an excellent promo and... a perfect
• 41:13
  social media highlight to promote this fight.
• 41:16
  Again, I'm not going to count my eggs before
• 41:22
  they hatch here with who's going to win or what
• 41:26
  because I need the fight announced. And I need
• 41:28
  it announced at a U .S. venue. The thing is that
• 41:33
  do we really have confidence that they're going
• 41:35
  to put it in a U .S. venue? They should. I have
• 41:39
  faith. I'm not gonna say I, like, my brain, like,
• 41:44
  logically on paper, this thing's gonna be undercard
• 41:50
  fighting Rhea to some bullshit. But I'm saying,
• 41:55
  like, if, like, if we're serious here, it has
• 41:59
  to be, it has to happen next, and it has to happen
• 42:01
  in the United States. It needs to be here, dude.
• 42:06
  This thing needs a sellout crowd. It can't happen
• 42:10
  in front of 60 people. It's going to happen in
• 42:12
  like 60 ,000 people. It's got to happen in the
• 42:16
  U .S. It won't be in Texas. It won't be in Philly.
• 42:20
  It'll be in Vegas. Maybe L .A. L .A. would be
• 42:26
  a good one too. L .A. is a good venue for it.
• 42:30
  That would be probably the biggest fight that
• 42:31
  L .A. has seen. It has to be stateside though.
• 42:34
  Yeah, it can't be in fucking Riyadh or whatever
• 42:37
  else. No, like, it has to be. Like I said, I'm
• 42:42
  praying. I know the money that's going to have
• 42:45
  to be put up is going to be from Turkey, but
• 42:48
  I hope it's a ring card in the United States
• 42:51
  and not locked away in Saudi. I was going to
• 42:58
  say, we have our own separate views on how the
• 43:02
  fight's going to go. It just has to happen. We
• 43:05
  have to see it. There's no better time for it
• 43:10
  to happen. Because I will say, let's say Virgil
• 43:16
  goes and fights Bokrum next, or Luz fights Bokrum.
• 43:19
  They might lose. And then this fight of two premier...
• 43:25
  two premier offensive talents in the sport, it
• 43:28
  goes up in the air if one of them gets beaten
• 43:30
  up and busted up. I'm going to ask a question
• 43:35
  right now. Oh, sorry, Doug. Before I ask the
• 43:37
  question, you say your piece. I was going to
• 43:38
  say, what's the chatter I'm hearing about Virgil
• 43:40
  talking about Spence? It's his dream fight or
• 43:45
  something? It's bullshit. That's some bullshit.
• 43:49
  I don't want to see that shit. I was going to
• 43:52
  say, like, so you got to agree. At that point,
• 43:54
  it is just ducking if he goes and fights Spence.
• 43:58
  100%. And that actually kind of leads me to my
• 43:59
  question. Because I really don't think... I think
• 44:04
  the fight should happen next, 100%. I don't really
• 44:07
  think there's any other fight that, you know,
• 44:10
  should happen besides that one. But the only
• 44:15
  thing I would excuse, the only fight I would
• 44:16
  excuse, if Virgil doesn't take the fight with...
• 44:21
  with boots is a Fundora fight. Because that in
• 44:26
  turn can make the fight with boots even bigger
• 44:28
  if he wins. It's a risk, but it skyrockets that
• 44:33
  fight. I'm just going to say you're introducing
• 44:35
  variables at this point. Like right now, they're
• 44:39
  both 27, 28. They're in their absolute physical
• 44:43
  peaks with no health issues. Let's say Virgil
• 44:48
  gets cut with Fundora. Don't say that. Don't
• 44:52
  say that. Don't say that. No, that's what I'm
• 44:54
  saying. It has to happen now. It happens now,
• 44:57
  and then the winner, like, it doesn't even need
• 45:00
  a title. Like, these are the two best guys in
• 45:02
  this weight class. Titles be damned. Like, this
• 45:06
  is a shootout for the best offensive fighter
• 45:09
  in the sport. Straight up. I will say that, honestly,
• 45:20
  I can hate me for this. I want it. I really want
• 45:24
  it as soon as possible. But at the same time,
• 45:26
  I also want it to have its moment, you know,
• 45:30
  in the sport where everybody's watching it. That
• 45:34
  it's just like it's not realistic for that to
• 45:36
  happen at this point. No, it can't. It's got
• 45:39
  to be like it'll either be like something will
• 45:41
  happen that'll make it too late. It's gotta happen
• 45:46
  now. I swear to Christ, if I hear someone say
• 45:49
  fucking marinate, I'm gonna lose my mind. Like,
• 45:51
  this is their absolute peak. This is, like, as
• 45:55
  athletes. And they're both athletic guys is the
• 45:59
  problem. You know what my feeling is about what's
• 46:02
  gonna happen? I got a feeling they're gonna do
• 46:04
  a fucking doubleheader in Riyadh. I'm just feeling
• 46:07
  it. Makes me wanna throw up. Listen, man, I'm
• 46:11
  going to barf, but they're going to put Nakatani
• 46:13
  Inoue and this and Virgil and Riyadh, and it's
• 46:17
  going to fuck over all the fans. But they're
• 46:19
  going to suck the money out of my ass if you
• 46:21
  put that kind of card together. Oh, I know. No,
• 46:24
  we're going to fly to Riyadh. I don't know if
• 46:28
  I want to step foot in that country. I'll get
• 46:32
  in trouble. Listen, man. More than this fight,
• 46:38
  listen, I'm willing to suck it up for Nakatani
• 46:40
  Inoue. Man, if that was a doubleheader, if that's
• 46:46
  what they did, like, shit, dude. Preferably,
• 46:48
  in the ideal world, Nakatani Inoue happens in
• 46:52
  Japan on New Year's Eve, and it's the Super Bowl.
• 46:56
  And this fight happens in L .A. on Cinco de Mayo.
• 47:01
  Honestly, the thing is that if Virgil... This
• 47:05
  is the prime route for Virgil. If he wins everything,
• 47:08
  okay? Let's say, best case scenario, he fights
• 47:12
  Pandora next, beats him. Then he fights him on
• 47:16
  Cinco de Mayo. And then on Mexican Independence
• 47:19
  Day, he fights Boots. Who does Boots fight in
• 47:22
  the meantime? The winner of Zayas Baru? Hold
• 47:26
  on, hold on, hold on. Let me give you a scenario.
• 47:30
  He beats Fandora. Okay, he has the WBC. Then
• 47:33
  he fights Boots and what do you call it? Mexican
• 47:38
  Independence Day. And he wins. Okay. He'd be
• 47:42
  the next Canelo at that point. He'd be the guy
• 47:46
  that the Mexicans are talking about, you know?
• 47:49
  That would be, he would be filling that spot.
• 47:52
  Him and Benavidez would be filling that spot
• 47:53
  in. Am I wrong? I understand he's not going to
• 47:59
  be as big as Canelo because he's not pure -blooded
• 48:02
  from Mexico, but you know what? That would fill
• 48:06
  in some of the casuals. I understand these things,
• 48:12
  but the thing is that just characteristically
• 48:16
  knowing how marination goes and how much of a
• 48:19
  dirty word it is, how much... this perfect spot.
• 48:24
  They both just had dominant social media highlight
• 48:28
  wins at their absolute physical peak. They got
• 48:31
  no health issues. They should just fight, and
• 48:35
  then their careers can play out, however. I see
• 48:40
  them fighting and then doing a rematch later
• 48:41
  on down the line. If it's competitive, yeah.
• 48:45
  I think it'll be competitive. There's no chance
• 48:47
  it's not. There's a chance it's not. The thing
• 48:51
  is that I understand, you know, you're a big
• 48:53
  boot stand. I'm a big boot stand. There's a chance
• 48:55
  it's not in either direction. That's the thing.
• 48:59
  This is the type of fight where I'm like, I don't
• 49:02
  think it's going to be like a total war because
• 49:05
  they're both too talented to do that. But I think
• 49:10
  it'll be interesting for two, three rounds of
• 49:12
  like seeing who manages to feel the other out.
• 49:17
  And then it'll be pretty one -way traffic. which
• 49:20
  is special in itself. It's a shootout. It's a
• 49:23
  classic piece of an unstoppable force versus
• 49:24
  an immovable object. That unstoppable force being
• 49:26
  Boots, the immovable object being Virgil. It's
• 49:30
  two unstoppable forces. These guys, all their
• 49:34
  flaws are defensive. I would say that, and you
• 49:39
  could kill me on this, but I think it's kind
• 49:44
  of half and half, or kind of mixed, where I think
• 49:47
  Boots' flaws are defensive. But he excels tremendously
• 49:50
  in offensive. Whereas Virgil, he's a great –
• 49:53
  he's a little better in defense. But in offense,
• 49:57
  he can be a little shaky at times. He's been
• 49:59
  caught while in the offense. Yeah, but that's
• 50:02
  a defensive flaw. Like, that's inherently – because
• 50:05
  he doesn't – both guys, if they're on their bike,
• 50:08
  won't – like, it won't matter. But I'm saying
• 50:10
  they're both such premier offensive talents that
• 50:13
  the defensive flaws when they're attacking happen.
• 50:16
  I agree. It's going to be a five -round shootout.
• 50:20
  When it happens, it's going to be a five -round
• 50:22
  shootout in either direction. Yeah, 100%. But
• 50:27
  it needs to happen now. I feel like I need to
• 50:31
  see some legitimate beef and anger. Because I
• 50:35
  think there's legitimate beef and anger between
• 50:37
  them two, which I don't think is going to happen.
• 50:39
  If it does, that's going to be like a war. That's
• 50:41
  the only time I'll be the one. They're sportsmen.
• 50:44
  Like, Hagler and Hearns never hated each other.
• 50:47
  Yeah. Mickey Ward and Arturo Gatti were best
• 50:50
  friends. It's just, like, guys who will fight
• 50:55
  will fight. I don't think there needs to be beef.
• 50:58
  These guys, again, they're the premier offensive
• 51:00
  talents of the sport. They're going to have a
• 51:02
  fantastic shootout. And my main point is that
• 51:05
  it has to happen now. I don't care later. It
• 51:09
  has to happen now. Because if it doesn't happen
• 51:11
  now, we're going to get, like, listen, either
• 51:14
  one could turn 30 and be shit overnight because
• 51:17
  their legs don't have it anymore. Oh, yeah. That's
• 51:22
  just what it is. Do it now. Do it now, and that
• 51:24
  way you don't have to answer any questions. It's
• 51:26
  just your questions are answered, and they can
• 51:29
  go forward as the number one or number two guy.
• 51:32
  Imagine they waited for Roy Jones and Bernard
• 51:35
  Hopkins. You know? I think the better case is,
• 51:39
  like, imagine if, like, the Mexicans in the late
• 51:42
  90s, early 2000s just didn't fight each other
• 51:45
  early. Yeah. Like, if Barrera -Morales never
• 51:49
  occurred, it's got to happen. It just has to,
• 51:54
  like, more than anything, I don't have takes
• 51:57
  on who wins, what happened. Like, I need it to
• 52:00
  happen. That was the point of your write -up,
• 52:06
  right? Yeah. Like, it has to happen next, and
• 52:08
  the asterisk is in America. Like, yeah. If it
• 52:14
  gets announced in America, absolutely. You're
• 52:16
  going to see me hop on my case for why Boots...
• 52:19
  I'm going to make... I'm going to write up two
• 52:20
  articles, one of how Boots could win and one
• 52:22
  of how Virgil could win, because they both have
• 52:24
  pretty okay paths to victory. But the bigger
• 52:27
  concern is losing a classic shootout. Who lands
• 52:37
  that one punch first? Whose defensive flaws actually
• 52:43
  matter is really the question. Yeah, because
• 52:48
  if Virgil gets knocked out, it's going to be
• 52:51
  when he's coming in. Yeah, and same with Boots.
• 52:56
  Again, I don't think Boots... Everyone takes
• 53:01
  his fights with Karen as the... Chuka Zadian
• 53:04
  as the barometer. But the thing is that Chuka
• 53:09
  Zadian was a negative guy who posed no threat.
• 53:12
  I feel like that's more of the first fight where
• 53:14
  he's a negative. That second fight, he didn't
• 53:17
  pose a threat, but at the same time, he brought
• 53:19
  it to him. The one I will say is in regards of
• 53:24
  how Enes reacts to being hit, it's still the
• 53:26
  Villa fight. Yeah, Royman Villa. The same for
• 53:30
  me. That's the measuring stick. That's how you
• 53:32
  can take account for... For Boots. Because Boots
• 53:35
  went to go trade with this guy for fun. Boots
• 53:38
  could have easily just pieced him apart from
• 53:40
  distance and it would have looked just as flashy.
• 53:43
  He went to war for fun with a guy who has no
• 53:49
  ability to hit him. But it's like a mule. And
• 53:57
  that's how I think. Like, I will say, Virgil
• 54:02
  has a better idea of how to place a shot, but
• 54:04
  Virgil cannot hit harder than Villa. It's just...
• 54:08
  It's just what it is. But that's more into the
• 54:15
  semantics of who wins and why. Yeah, we could
• 54:19
  talk about that shit all day. Yeah, when it happens.
• 54:22
  I need it to happen. If it happens. If it happens,
• 54:27
  it will. I have faith. I believe in the world.
• 54:29
  If anything is right... Damn, wait, hold on.
• 54:32
  That's a first. That's a first. Listen, if anything
• 54:34
  is right in the world, this is something that
• 54:38
  has to go right. Especially, because I will say,
• 54:43
  Turkey isn't your traditional promoter where
• 54:45
  he cares about marination. He plays with his
• 54:47
  action figures. These are the most fun action
• 54:51
  figures you can play with. Oh, man. We still
• 54:58
  have a major car to talk about. So we're going
• 55:02
  to have to leave it here for now. Oh, yeah. I
• 55:06
  get last words on Virgil's win over Ericsson
• 55:10
  Lubin. It's got to happen. It's Virgil has to
• 55:15
  happen. That was a shout out. Let's go, Virgil,
• 55:18
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  Alright, we've got one preview. And that's...
• 59:07
  Ring four in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. Quite the
• 59:14
  card. We're going to stop at each one as we work
• 59:21
  our way up, rather than me just listing them
• 59:23
  off and then going back. So, Archer Betterbia
• 59:26
  versus Dion Nicholson. I don't know who Dion
• 59:30
  Nicholson is. Is that still on there? I don't
• 59:31
  think it's on there anymore. Is that cut? I think
• 59:34
  that's cut. Okay. Yeah, cut. Oh, yeah, better
• 59:37
  be a mistimed -a -cycler. Mistimed -a -cycler's
• 59:42
  crazy, by the way. That is something. Well, it's
• 59:46
  good. Like, listen, man. The amount of times
• 59:51
  that he pulls out in this fashion with, like,
• 59:53
  a mysterious reasoning. Like, you can kind of
• 59:58
  tell, oh, he mistimed -a -cycle. Like, I'm saying...
• 1:00:06
  I'm saying like one or two injuries checks out,
• 1:00:08
  right? Especially the one that caused that big
• 1:00:11
  delay where he took on McKalen. Legit injury.
• 1:00:17
  But when it's like short notice pullout, short
• 1:00:23
  turnaround, I can almost guarantee that it's
• 1:00:27
  a missed cycle. Oh, the undercard has changed
• 1:00:31
  quite a bit. Four fights that I'll just breeze
• 1:00:38
  through. Sultan Al -Muhammad versus Umesh Chavan.
• 1:00:42
  Sultan Al -Muhammad was on the... Yeah, he's
• 1:00:45
  the Saudi guy. Industry planned? Yes, he is a
• 1:00:49
  plan. He can scrap. Yeah, he was pretty good
• 1:00:53
  in his fight on the Bud Canelo card. Julio Porras
• 1:00:59
  Ruiz versus Pius Mpenda. So... That's a fight.
• 1:01:08
  Mohamed Alakel is another one that was on Bud
• 1:01:11
  Canelo versus Jiaming Li. I'll make breakfast
• 1:01:18
  during that fight. Vito Melnicki versus Samuel
• 1:01:24
  Nomoma. I'll eat my breakfast during that fight.
• 1:01:30
  Is Vito still at it? Yeah, he's a top ranked
• 1:01:34
  guy now. Oh, Jesus. And Nemoa's... 21 -0 from
• 1:01:42
  Nigeria. Nigeria, but fights out of Italy, yeah.
• 1:01:46
  So that's cool. So, yeah, that's like the undercard
• 1:01:55
  stuff that, like, yeah, like Saul said, make
• 1:01:58
  your breakfast, get yourself some coffee or something.
• 1:02:02
  Because this most definitely is going to be in
• 1:02:04
  the damn morning. I'll tell you that. Yeah, it'll
• 1:02:06
  be starting around like 11 at the latest. So
• 1:02:13
  into the part that fucking matters. He's not
• 1:02:17
  on it anymore either. Brian Norman Jr. vs. Devin
• 1:02:21
  Haney. WBL welterweight title. Whoa! No, no,
• 1:02:25
  that is on it. Sorry, I was talking about Subaru
• 1:02:28
  Matias. He's not on it anymore. I don't see him
• 1:02:32
  on it. Yeah. We're skipping over two other fights,
• 1:02:39
  though. I'm just starting here. That's all. Oh,
• 1:02:42
  okay. Okay. I was about to say, dude, come on.
• 1:02:44
  Come on, man. Don't just backbend like that.
• 1:02:46
  No, hell no. I've just started here. This is
• 1:02:50
  the order I have them on. Like, no particular
• 1:02:52
  order. I just kind of have them listed here.
• 1:02:58
  So, Brian Norman versus Devin Haney. I had said
• 1:03:01
  to Shanada I would like for Brian Norman to Sasaki,
• 1:03:04
  Devin Haney. Oh, Jesus. Brian Norman, for the
• 1:03:08
  love of God. Devin has, I will say with absolute
• 1:03:13
  confidence, it has to be a total tactical breakdown
• 1:03:16
  to not just go at Haney with no worry about what
• 1:03:19
  comes back. Yeah, you really have to forget who
• 1:03:24
  the fuck you're standing in front of. Yeah, because
• 1:03:27
  there is no way. That at 147, Haney is garnering
• 1:03:33
  respect with his punches. From anybody. So, Brian
• 1:03:40
  Norman, who has a proven chin, should absolutely
• 1:03:43
  come at him. Well, proven. He wasn't knocked
• 1:03:49
  down. I'm going to tell you this right now, okay?
• 1:03:53
  I got a lot riding on this fight. Leo knows ever
• 1:03:56
  since I've been on this pod, I've been riding
• 1:03:58
  Brian Norman Jr. I've been riding him high. That's
• 1:04:03
  kind of what got me onto this. I think that's
• 1:04:04
  kind of what got me onto this pod too. We had
• 1:04:06
  a conversation about Brian Norman Jr. Yeah, we
• 1:04:09
  did. So I got a lot of reputation back in this
• 1:04:13
  because if Brian Norman Jr. wins, oh my God,
• 1:04:15
  his stock skyrockets. And the thing is that he
• 1:04:20
  needs to... Not just beat Haney. He needs to
• 1:04:23
  knock him out. Because I truly believe they're
• 1:04:25
  going to pull some fuck shit. The refs are going
• 1:04:28
  to pull some fuck shit. They're already planning
• 1:04:29
  a Haney and Benavidez doubleheader again. Right?
• 1:04:34
  You guys seen that? Yes. Yeah. That's some bullshit.
• 1:04:37
  And Norman's the champion. He's the more exciting
• 1:04:40
  guy. He needs to knock him out. And honestly,
• 1:04:44
  I see Brian Norman Jr. winning the fight. I understand
• 1:04:47
  he's not the better boxer, but he's underrated.
• 1:04:51
  with his skills. A lot of people, I know a lot
• 1:04:53
  of people are saying he's just going off his
• 1:04:54
  power, you know, that he's going to knock him
• 1:04:56
  out. But honestly, I think that Brian Roman Jr.
• 1:04:58
  is effective moving in on the inside, getting
• 1:05:02
  in the inside, you know. The only problem I see
• 1:05:05
  with Brian is he keeps his head on center line.
• 1:05:08
  But I feel like he's going to fix that, this
• 1:05:10
  fight. I feel like if he's a really, really good
• 1:05:14
  boxer, as I think he is, he's going to fix it.
• 1:05:18
  He's going to improve on that. Adjust. I also
• 1:05:22
  can see a Devin Haney win, but at the same time,
• 1:05:26
  I really don't want that. I don't think anybody
• 1:05:30
  wants that. Unless you're a Haney stan. And the
• 1:05:35
  Haney acts are coming back. They're coming back
• 1:05:38
  to root for their boy one last time. One last
• 1:05:41
  hurrah if he loses. They want him to win this
• 1:05:45
  fight. There's a couple Haney acts there. What
• 1:05:50
  do you guys feel? How do you guys feel? Because
• 1:05:52
  I'm thinking of Brian. I'm riding with Brian
• 1:05:54
  Norman Jr., man. I'm riding with Brian Norman.
• 1:05:56
  It's like he's genuinely like, listen, I will
• 1:05:59
  say, have you guys seen the clip of his face
• 1:06:02
  -off with Devin Haney where Devin Haney starts
• 1:06:04
  trying to plagiarize Floyd? Oh, yeah, that shit
• 1:06:07
  was crazy. And Brian immediately calls him out
• 1:06:09
  on it. He cuts a good promo, I will say. Hey,
• 1:06:13
  you ever had a MCL broke? What did he say, MCL
• 1:06:18
  tear? Brian cuts a good promo. Like, genuinely,
• 1:06:22
  I want to see him more. He talks good shit. That's
• 1:06:24
  another thing, too. He's a respectful shit talker.
• 1:06:27
  Like, I think him and Roley would be hilarious.
• 1:06:30
  All things considered. Yeah. I think Brian...
• 1:06:35
  I need Brian to be Haney. I need Brian to be
• 1:06:38
  Roley. I really want Haney to go away. That's
• 1:06:42
  the main thing. You just want him fucking gone,
• 1:06:45
  dude. I don't want to see this guy anymore. I
• 1:06:49
  think I still... If it makes it to the decision,
• 1:06:54
  I think they're going to give it to Haney. Well,
• 1:06:56
  if it makes it to the decision, Brian Norman
• 1:06:58
  is an idiot. Well... There's no way. It should
• 1:07:05
  not happen. If Brian Norman shows up in shape
• 1:07:07
  and doesn't have a complete tactical breakdown,
• 1:07:10
  where he like... Or maybe he's made of paper.
• 1:07:16
  Who knows? Maybe I'm wrong and everyone he's
• 1:07:18
  fought just punches like a pussy. But... There's
• 1:07:24
  no... In a reasonable world where Bryan fights
• 1:07:29
  how he should, it should... It should really
• 1:07:35
  be one -way traffic. The thing is that I feel
• 1:07:40
  like Bryan Norman Jr. Bryan's... Proven to have
• 1:07:44
  heart. I mean, that fight with Giovanni Santillan,
• 1:07:48
  he was brought in there to lose. Oh, yeah. They
• 1:07:50
  didn't believe him. And he pummeled Giovanni.
• 1:07:54
  Yeah. Against Cuevas. Again, not the best opponent,
• 1:07:57
  but he beat the shit out of him. Same with Sasaki.
• 1:08:00
  He knocked out a month of memory out of that
• 1:08:03
  guy. That boy did not remember shit. I guess.
• 1:08:07
  It's sad. It's not like Sasaki's any slouch with
• 1:08:10
  the weight class either. Yeah, I think he was
• 1:08:12
  ranked pretty highly in the division too. Yeah.
• 1:08:16
  Which it does mean something. That is something
• 1:08:18
  to say. I know people say, who's Sasaki? Or Sasaki
• 1:08:23
  already lost to the guy Gary Antoine Russell's
• 1:08:27
  fighting. Yeah, but that was a 140. Yeah, that
• 1:08:31
  was a 140. And again, he was ranked highly in
• 1:08:34
  the division. Say what you want, but he was still
• 1:08:36
  ranked pretty highly. Yeah. I want to see Brian
• 1:08:40
  Norman Jr. knock out Devin Haney. I'm calling
• 1:08:43
  it right now. I think he's going to knock him
• 1:08:45
  out. But if not, they're going to give it to
• 1:08:47
  Haney. Yeah, which will be completely deserved
• 1:08:50
  at that point. Man, I just really want to say,
• 1:08:54
  fuck Turkey. I want him to lose his, like he's
• 1:08:56
  planning ahead already. Like, no, spoil the fucking
• 1:09:00
  party. Please, Brian Norman, spoil the party.
• 1:09:03
  Well, I could already see the bullshit. Can you
• 1:09:07
  guys see that? Ryan's going to be fighting for
• 1:09:09
  a title. I don't even think we mentioned this,
• 1:09:11
  but Ryan could be fighting Barrios. You know?
• 1:09:15
  And if he fights Barrios, he could get it. I
• 1:09:17
  think he might win. He gets a belt. He gets a
• 1:09:20
  strap. And then you have Devin Haney who fights
• 1:09:23
  Ryan Norman Jr. If he wins, then they can do
• 1:09:25
  a unification fight in Riyadh. Big money. You
• 1:09:29
  know? I don't know. I see that happening. I see
• 1:09:33
  that happening, but I can see that in Turkey's
• 1:09:35
  head. the grinds, the gears grinding, you know?
• 1:09:39
  Yeah. In that fucking, fucking ass head. Again,
• 1:09:42
  he treats these guys like they're action figures
• 1:09:45
  and not like it's a real, real athletes in a
• 1:09:48
  real sport. Yeah. And, uh, like, again, a lot
• 1:09:53
  of fans see it as positives because they don't
• 1:09:56
  see it as a, again, they still see it as like
• 1:09:58
  action figures. But, um, all of this stuff, like
• 1:10:03
  there's real people getting affected by, uh,
• 1:10:07
  Like, you're the promoter of the event going
• 1:10:10
  like, hey, I want this guy to win so I can make
• 1:10:12
  this fight. At that point, nobody wins. Yeah.
• 1:10:21
  Moving up. Bam Rodriguez, the WBC and WBO super
• 1:10:28
  flyweight champ versus Fernando Martinez, WBA
• 1:10:33
  champ. Big unification, triple crown. Bam beats
• 1:10:38
  his ass, and how quickly does he do this? Just
• 1:10:42
  to show my bias already. Bam beats his ass. Well,
• 1:10:47
  I think he beats his ass, but at the same time,
• 1:10:50
  Bam might just take an ass beating himself too.
• 1:10:53
  In the process. As much as I love Bam, it's going
• 1:10:56
  to be a hard fight. This is a guy who beat Kazudo
• 1:11:00
  Ioka twice. The guy he's fighting is not a slouch.
• 1:11:08
  He's good. I think if Bam really is that cut
• 1:11:13
  above, he's going to beat his ass. And it's not
• 1:11:16
  going to be competitive. If he really is a cut
• 1:11:19
  above. I think this fight is going to prove to
• 1:11:24
  everybody fighter that Bam is. Good or bad. Good
• 1:11:29
  or bad, though. Both. Because, again, he could
• 1:11:33
  be a cut above and... you know, knock him out
• 1:11:35
  or he can even lose by knockout. He's already
• 1:11:39
  shown that he can be put on the canvas. Yeah,
• 1:11:42
  he can be put down. Yeah. So we'll see what Bam's
• 1:11:45
  made of. But I think that this is finally going
• 1:11:48
  to prove to everybody on the... arguably one
• 1:11:52
  of the biggest stages in the world that he is
• 1:11:55
  one tough -ass motherfucker. One badass motherfucker.
• 1:12:04
  Man, he's so unassuming, too. I saw him after
• 1:12:07
  the Sonny Edwards fight. I saw him at a restaurant
• 1:12:11
  right outside the arena. Robert Garcia was there.
• 1:12:15
  They were all getting a table or whatever. I
• 1:12:17
  saw him, and he looks like a teenager. If he
• 1:12:21
  didn't have tattoos on his face, you wouldn't
• 1:12:24
  notice. Yeah. You wouldn't notice. You wouldn't
• 1:12:26
  give him a second look just because, like, oh,
• 1:12:29
  there's like a... 17 -year -old kid or something.
• 1:12:35
  You would have to card him. Yeah, I think you
• 1:12:38
  would, because he's a bit of a babyface. But,
• 1:12:43
  man, he's a beast once he gets in the ring. I
• 1:12:47
  feel that Martinez is a little too flat -footed,
• 1:12:51
  and that's going to be a bit of a problem for
• 1:12:54
  him, because Rodriguez is really fleet. Like,
• 1:12:57
  he's fleet. He can move around really quickly.
• 1:13:02
  He's really agile. And he's fast. Yes. Fast.
• 1:13:09
  Fast hands. I mean... We'll see what happens.
• 1:13:19
  Absolutely. There's no chance here for... Well,
• 1:13:33
  Lin will be insufferable if Noakes wins. Oh,
• 1:13:37
  my God. Noakes' best win is against Ivan Mendy.
• 1:13:46
  Look, I know we make fun of Noakes, and I agree
• 1:13:49
  that it is going to be a shutout. But the thing
• 1:13:53
  is that, at the same time, Mason has been put
• 1:13:57
  down by... some random ball -headed uh fucking
• 1:14:04
  what's his name fucking trevor gta looking ass
• 1:14:08
  uh johan vasquez yeah johan vasquez got put down
• 1:14:12
  in my hand abdullah also put him away in the
• 1:14:14
  next round exactly i understand that but the
• 1:14:17
  thing is that flash knocks happen like i'm not
• 1:14:20
  gonna unless it was like if it if it became like
• 1:14:23
  uh drawn out like he had to recover and everything
• 1:14:28
  that I'd give you a bit more leeway here, but
• 1:14:33
  like... What it was, it was just one knockdown.
• 1:14:38
  It was a flash. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I'll give you
• 1:14:42
  that. Because I'm not trying to question Abdul
• 1:14:46
  Mason. I still think he's going to win, but I
• 1:14:47
  mean, if Sam Noakes really does have power, he
• 1:14:50
  can have a puncher's chance. Absolutely. He really
• 1:14:52
  does. I feel like he's going to wilt. He will
• 1:14:55
  wilt under me. Abdullah Mason also can punch.
• 1:14:59
  Oh, yeah, 100%. And he's gone better than the
• 1:15:01
  fight, 100%. Yeah, I will say that, like, it's
• 1:15:04
  likely that it's probably a little competitive
• 1:15:06
  and then Noakes just wilts. Yeah. No, I agree.
• 1:15:10
  I agree. I'm just saying that as much as we all
• 1:15:14
  say that Abdullah Mason is going to beat the
• 1:15:16
  shit out of Noakes, Noakes still has a slight,
• 1:15:19
  slight chance. Yeah. Not to be taken lightly
• 1:15:24
  or discredited. Exactly. He's not going to win,
• 1:15:28
  but he's also going to be a good win. I mean,
• 1:15:32
  that fight with Johan Vasquez did prove to everybody
• 1:15:35
  that, yeah, he can get knocked down, but that
• 1:15:38
  he's going to get back up and punish you. Oh,
• 1:15:40
  yeah. So there's that. He ain't going down without
• 1:15:44
  a fight. Will he go down without a fight? David
• 1:15:53
  Benavidez versus Anthony Yard. Did we mention
• 1:15:57
  the Matias fight or is that one not happening
• 1:15:58
  anymore? That one's not on the bill anymore.
• 1:16:00
  At least not that I'm seeing. Let's see. He's
• 1:16:07
  fighting. It's just a stupid double feature that
• 1:16:10
  they do. What? It's a separate card. He's the
• 1:16:15
  main event on the prelim first feature. That
• 1:16:22
  is incredibly stupid. It's stupid, but it's stupid.
• 1:16:26
  So, like, they put Matias on the prelims. Fuck
• 1:16:28
  that. We're talking about him now. Super Matias
• 1:16:30
  versus Dalton Smith. WBC super lightweight title
• 1:16:33
  on the line. Unless Matias is completely washed,
• 1:16:37
  Dalton Smith better have a trainer willing to
• 1:16:39
  throw in the towel. Wait, Matias Smith is in
• 1:16:42
  this fight? It's on this card? It's on a different
• 1:16:44
  card. It's the same venue, same day, but it's,
• 1:16:49
  like, the free non -pay -per -view. Oh. So what
• 1:16:53
  the fuck? It's like the prologue. It's stupid.
• 1:16:59
  They do this every time where they only want
• 1:17:02
  five fights or whatever. The fuck? The disrespect.
• 1:17:07
  Point being, Matias, again, unless Matias is
• 1:17:12
  completely and utterly washed, I really... Smith
• 1:17:21
  should have a towel thrower ready. Well, again,
• 1:17:27
  Matias did lose to Liam Parra. I was going to
• 1:17:29
  say exactly that. He's also 33. He might be completely
• 1:17:34
  washed. Yeah, his style doesn't age very well
• 1:17:39
  just because he takes a lot of punches to get
• 1:17:43
  himself into position. We clown on Australians,
• 1:17:45
  but it's not like Parra's a complete scrub. Well,
• 1:17:50
  they lost to Hitchens. Hitchens is not bad, but
• 1:17:53
  at the same time. Hitchens isn't a complete scrub.
• 1:17:55
  I'm just going to say, like, Matias can certainly
• 1:17:58
  be exploited technically. I don't think Dalton
• 1:18:05
  Smith is a guy that can exploit him technically
• 1:18:07
  without getting it back. Unless Matias starts
• 1:18:15
  to age poorly. Yeah. Lin is going to be insufferable
• 1:18:22
  if Dalton Smith wins. Yeah. Lin treats it like
• 1:18:27
  we ride for these guys when it's like, dude.
• 1:18:33
  Well, actually, I'm riding for some of these
• 1:18:35
  guys. I do ride for Abdullah Mason. I'm riding
• 1:18:38
  for Abdullah Mason, but I'm saying with Matias,
• 1:18:40
  I'm like, yeah, no, he's on the wrong end of
• 1:18:43
  30. He's definitely got a lot of miles on the
• 1:18:46
  clock, and he's got some definite flaws. I still
• 1:18:52
  want him to win. Yeah. I'm not surprised if he
• 1:18:56
  loses, but I also don't think Dalton Smith is
• 1:19:02
  the guy to do it. Yeah, he's already lost a couple
• 1:19:07
  times. Anything more for Matias Smith? Nope.
• 1:19:16
  All right. Benavidez Yard. WBC light heavyweight
• 1:19:21
  title on the line. Yard comes to rumble. Yard
• 1:19:28
  has got to be the only guy to get stopped on
• 1:19:33
  every step up he takes while looking competitive.
• 1:19:39
  I got to say that some people are also making
• 1:19:41
  this fight seem pretty easy and dope looking
• 1:19:43
  Yard. Maybe not Benavidez himself, but I feel
• 1:19:46
  like there's a lot of people in our community.
• 1:19:49
  are not looking at this fight how it should be.
• 1:19:51
  It is going to be a pretty hard fight for Benavidez,
• 1:19:54
  I think. Oh, it's going to be a shootout. I'm
• 1:19:55
  just saying. Yeah. Benavidez has that extra gear
• 1:20:00
  to win. Yeah, he's got levels. Anthony Yard is
• 1:20:06
  one -dimensional -ish. You saw it. Benavidez
• 1:20:11
  somehow manages to amp it up as the fight goes
• 1:20:14
  on, as you saw with Morel. And Andrade and Caleb
• 1:20:18
  Plant were like, these guys are also competitive
• 1:20:21
  with him. And then he basically just, like, the
• 1:20:26
  momentum just piled up. Another thing I will
• 1:20:31
  say about Yard, Yard has more miles on the clock,
• 1:20:33
  and he's 34. And he's 34. He's 34, and he has
• 1:20:41
  more miles on the clock. He's been stopped twice
• 1:20:43
  by top guys. Betterbiev did totally put a pasting
• 1:20:48
  on him. For 8 rounds. 8 rounds of punishment
• 1:20:53
  for Betterbiev is career changing on a good day.
• 1:20:57
  11 rounds of beatings from a good form Sergey
• 1:21:02
  Kovalev. Even if he was competitive. That's 11
• 1:21:10
  rounds of fucking shellacking. It's the 11 rounds
• 1:21:14
  of a good Sergey Kovalev jabbing your face in.
• 1:21:19
  And eight rounds of being in the pocket with
• 1:21:22
  Beterbiev. And he's 34 and has an athletic style.
• 1:21:29
  We'll see what happens. It'll be a good shootout.
• 1:21:33
  I think it'll be a good shootout, but I think
• 1:21:35
  the wheels are going to come off sooner rather
• 1:21:37
  than later and Benavidez will take over. Yeah.
• 1:21:43
  It's probably going to be his first stoppage
• 1:21:45
  at 175. I don't think so. I really don't think
• 1:21:51
  so. The wheels are going to fall off is what
• 1:21:56
  I feel. If the wheels don't fall off, credit
• 1:21:58
  to Yard. But in fights where he's been fresher
• 1:22:02
  and hasn't taken the punishment that he has up
• 1:22:06
  to now, the wheels have come off. So there's
• 1:22:12
  no reason that a higher tempo guy at a point
• 1:22:17
  in his career where he's not as fresh, there's
• 1:22:21
  no reason for the wheels not to come off here
• 1:22:23
  unless maybe Benavidez isn't as scary at 175.
• 1:22:29
  I don't think, not necessarily not as scary,
• 1:22:32
  but I don't think he has that same power. He
• 1:22:36
  had a 168? It's tough to gauge. He's been an
• 1:22:39
  accumulation guy his entire career. Yeah, it's
• 1:22:41
  really tough to gauge. Yeah, so when you go up...
• 1:22:44
  Kvostik is defensively minded, and Morel apparently
• 1:22:47
  is just made of... You could smash a 2x4 over
• 1:22:51
  his head. And he'll smile. Well, I mean, he got...
• 1:22:54
  That last fight he was in, though... Kataev was
• 1:22:57
  on the entire pharmacy. I mean, yeah, but...
• 1:23:02
  Like I was gonna say, they had Kataev on the
• 1:23:03
  super soldier serum. I'm just saying that Morel
• 1:23:10
  and then Hot Rod, too. Morel and Hot Rod. Oh,
• 1:23:14
  Hot Rod was on his bike, man. He stunk it out.
• 1:23:19
  I'm not saying he put up a good fight, but what
• 1:23:21
  I'm saying is like... What? No, like, that's
• 1:23:25
  a separate discussion, though. Like, I'm saying,
• 1:23:27
  like, Benavidez's opponents at 175 have been
• 1:23:31
  durable, defensively -minded guys, especially
• 1:23:33
  Gvozdik. was way more on his bike against Benavidez
• 1:23:38
  than he was with Beterbiev. Yeah. That one was
• 1:23:44
  a good win, by the way. Yeah. And Morel, he put
• 1:23:48
  hands on Morel. Morel didn't go away. Yeah. That's
• 1:23:54
  different. So I feel like Yard will really see
• 1:23:59
  whether he has that real stopping power. Or if
• 1:24:03
  he's going to be a... He's going to hurt a guy,
• 1:24:07
  but he's not going to put him away. What we're
• 1:24:10
  kind of saying is that it's like a Virgil Lubin
• 1:24:12
  type of situation. Yeah. Where the guy that's
• 1:24:16
  been knocked out twice, if he doesn't knock him
• 1:24:19
  out, that kind of shows that maybe he doesn't
• 1:24:21
  have as much power as he once had. As he once
• 1:24:24
  had. A little weight class. Or say. Yeah, like
• 1:24:31
  he needs a 15 -round fight instead of a 12 -er.
• 1:24:37
  Yeah, I think that's the perfect way to put it.
• 1:24:38
  He seems like a 15 -round fighter. Oh, yeah.
• 1:24:46
  Oh, man. That is all we got on the docket, boys.
• 1:24:55
  Any last words for Ring 4? I really hope the
• 1:25:05
  British guys don't win and they need Devin Haney
• 1:25:08
  gone. I hope... I hate Turkey, but damn, it's
• 1:25:16
  a good -ass card. It's a good card that's trapped
• 1:25:22
  on the zone. Yeah. You'd think at this point
• 1:25:26
  Turkey would just pay a TV broadcaster to air
• 1:25:28
  this stuff. Well, they would probably pay Sky
• 1:25:32
  Sports or some shit. Listen, man. People actually
• 1:25:37
  watch Sky Sports in the UK. But it's an American
• 1:25:40
  card. Yeah, no, but I'm saying if Turkey really
• 1:25:44
  wanted, he could probably cut a TV deal with
• 1:25:48
  the infinite money he's throwing at this stuff.
• 1:25:53
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  All right. Again, like what Frost said, what
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  Josh said, that really depends on these outcomes.
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  Yeah. Cool. So we got stuff coming down the pipe.
• 1:30:27
  With all that out of the way, parting words.
• 1:30:33
  Robot's good. I've got to say, I've got something
• 1:30:37
  to say. Brian Norman Jr., I've got a lot riding
• 1:30:41
  on you. Bam's already proven himself, but Brian,
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  I have a lot of reputation on this guy. I need
• 1:30:51
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  for supporting him over the... time I've been
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  in this community with you guys, I need this
• 1:31:02
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• 1:31:05
  but I also want him to beat the shit out of Devin
• 1:31:09
  Haney. Don't we all? We need more fighters like
• 1:31:11
  Bryan in this sport. Amen. Talk shit and back
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• 1:31:24
  Should be sometime around the 18th. Regardless,
• 1:31:28
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• 1:31:31
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• 1:31:35
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• 1:31:38
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