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Steak Saul. What's up, guys? Welcome back to
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Oh, yeah. This is a good couple weeks of news
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and box. Oh, as we often do, extending the hand
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of friendship to our fellows over at the Ultimate
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F in Casuals, I wanted to bring up from February
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13th, won Fight Night 40. This was a mixed event.
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They had MMA fights, kickboxing, and Muay Thai.
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The one that stood out the most, Nico Carrillo
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beating Shadow. That's the guy's name. The name
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is Shadow? Yes. The Thai people have some funky
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names. Interesting. Shadow got fucking murked
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at the end of what was a very, very entertaining
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fight. On the MMA side of the house, this is
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my current fight of the year. It's extremely
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good. I would recommend to anyone. There's no
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grappling, no wrestling, nothing like that. No,
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one is always a good watch. Yeah. This is a really
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good fight. No grappling, no wrestling. Yep.
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I wonder what that sounds like, huh? That's why
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they're here in the first place. They're not
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listening to the MMA podcast. Well, Muay Thai,
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I think, is a good... If you wanted to dip your
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toe in the rest of the limbs being used for the
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fight, I think Muay Thai is a good place to start.
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But, yeah, if you want to hear more of that ultimate
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effing casuals, wherever you're listening to
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this, you can hear that as well. In the boxing
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world, the old king has dusted off his crown,
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shaken up. He broke Mayweather. He has shaken
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up the sporting world. Floyd. No Money Mayweather
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has stepped out of retirement. He has two things
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coming up. In April, he has an exhibition with
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Mike Tyson. And then in September, he has a rematch
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professional fight against Manny Pacquiao. I
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was pretty happy with not having to hear their
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names anymore. Mario Barrios is to blame. Straight
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up. I can't, like, straight up blame Mario Barrios
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for this shit. And we'll get to wide later on.
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Yeah. Are we going to talk about who's going
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to win? I got an interesting take. Go for it.
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I think Manny might win the rematch. What makes
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you say that? If it's, and this is clearly speaking
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on if it's actually a real fight, you know. that
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they're not just going to go easy on each other.
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You know what I mean? Manny doesn't go easy on
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these exhibitions. He actually, like, if you
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watch his exhibitions, like, they're not boring.
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He's just washed. But he does not take it easy
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on the guys. The thing with Mayweather is that
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he might just think of it as, like, you know,
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in Rocky, he doesn't know it's a show. He thinks
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it's a damn fight, you know? So, you never know.
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I think Manny might sound silly, but he's had
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more experience. in higher level fights in the
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last, what, five years? Nine years since he retired.
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Yeah, since Mayweather retired. And Mayweather's
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last fight was against, Mayweather's last real
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fight was against Andre Berto. You know? So,
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we gotta see how that's gonna turn out for Mayweather,
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but honestly, if it's how I'm thinking it's gonna
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go, I might just go to Manny because he's gotten
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more work in. Or maybe I'm just fucking silly
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as hell. Do we think the WBC sticks a trinket
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belt on this so it can go 12? Of course they
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do. Yeah. That's the real question, I guess.
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Also, are we doing the Trap House in Vegas for
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this one? Damn, that's a good question. No, I'm
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good off that one. Yeah, I'm not sure if I want
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this to be the one. It might not be worth it.
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I think that for a certain period of time in
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the beginning, in the opening rounds, there is
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going to be a time frame where Mayweather's going
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to have the realization that Pacquiao's taking
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this seriously. The thing is, though, I don't
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think that Floyd Mayweather came out of retirement
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to sell his zero. I don't think that's what he's
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doing. No. Well, he came back with money for
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sure. Well, no shit. No doubt. Absolutely, it's
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about money. But I don't think he's selling at
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zero yet. Honestly, and I don't want to sound
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crazy, but if you really wanted money, yeah,
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you can make money fighting Manny. But if you
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want to make serious, serious money, fight Terrence
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Crawford. Fight Terrence Crawford and have that
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be a super fight. The best of this generation
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versus the best of last generation. That undoubtedly
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sells, you know? I mean, there's motherfuckers
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about Mayweather versus Gotti, right? There's
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motherfuckers about Mayweather versus Paul, you
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know? I mean, seriously, people will watch that
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shit. To watch Terrence Crawford come out of
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retirement, watch fucking Floyd come out of retirement
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and fight. I mean, come on, y 'all wouldn't watch
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that? But in this case, it would be Mayweather
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coming out of retirement to lose. Which is why
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I don't think he would ever do that. You never
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know. His entire image is built on being undefeated.
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Yeah, but I mean, money... True. At this point,
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if he needs it bad enough, it won't... He might
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suck a dick for money, okay? That's kind of where
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he's getting at right now. The zero he's selling
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is his... He's smiling like a zero. Oh, yeah.
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Jeez. But yeah, Mayweather's coming out of retirement.
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He's facing Manny Pacquiao in September. Has
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Mike Tyson exhibition in April. Mike Tyson exhibition
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is going to be so funny, conceptually. That's
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going to be silly. It's just going to be Mayweather
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jabbing as he dances around him. Well, yes. It's
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going to be hilarious. I would love to watch
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that one. uh shinata put it as uh leave mike
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alone he's probably the one that wanted to do
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it in the first place yeah i was gonna say like
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maybe i just need an opponent and like yeah because
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there was that uh the talk of that kickboxing
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guy as well oh what's his face no but that doesn't
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matter but it's gonna be hilarious like literally
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just we're doing the old man circuit on netflix
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just for fun it sells i'm gonna be honest this
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might sell more than any other fight in 2025
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or 2026 other than maybe ag fury i i really want
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these dudes to go away man like we were just
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starting to rebuild just had an era yeah yeah
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we were just starting to rebuild out of that
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fucking like if you're not undefeated you're
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a bum Type of mentality. And then this motherfucker
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has to come back. And reinsert himself. Into
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the conversation. Honestly. Honestly. I'm just
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going to say right now. I'm just going to say
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right now. If Mayweather comes back. And fights
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Mike. Fights Manny. How much do you think he's
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going to fight. For a real title. And it might
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not even be someone against someone good. It
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might be someone like Lewis Crocker. That's true.
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He could be the 147. Yeah, I was going to say
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147 is kind of made of paper right now. Exactly.
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You have Rowley and Crocker as champions in the
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same division. Oh, you might even get, this might
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sound crazy, but you might even get a Canelo
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rematch. Okay. That'd be hilarious. Depending
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on how Floyd looks too, Canelo might be the more
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washed one. Which is, like, hilarious. It's hilarious
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to think about, but I'm right. What, Floyd's
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47? Canelo might be more cooked. Just because,
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like, Floyd stayed, like, hands aside, he stayed
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pretty healthy his whole career. Even in retirement,
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yeah, he put on a bit of weight, but he still
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stayed active. Whereas, like, Canelo, we've seen
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the decline in real time and the injuries pile
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up. It's not unrealistic to say that one guy
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might be more washed just because you got to
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remember Canelo has been a pro since he was 15.
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The miles on the clock are crazy. Floyd really
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like Miguel Cotto, Mosley, Castillo, maybe Maidana
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were like the only four like tough nights out
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and they weren't even like. Delahoya -ish. For
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the first, like, these are fights he didn't take
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particular punishment in. Like, he just got hit
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like a normal boxer, pretty much. I mean, you're
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forgetting about Drunken Master's night, too.
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I'll tell you that. That was a tough night. The
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night with the Drunken Master. But the point
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is that he has way less miles on the clock in
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terms of fighting. And let's say he gets, like...
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He's going to be worse, obviously. I'm not saying
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we're going to return to, like, prime Floyd,
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but I'm just saying Canelo might be more washed
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by the time the fight you're talking about happens.
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I mean, let me ask you this. How much do you
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think these fights sell? Not sell, but how much
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do you think... Mike's not going to sell shit.
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Mike's not going to sell shit, but... That's
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on Netflix, so it'll be free to watch, I guess,
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in a way. The sequel. is going to be... How many
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months is it? That's seven months to build it
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up. We shall see. Pacquiao has an exhibition
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coming up as well with Ruslan Provodnikov. 2013
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called. It would like it. It wants its CTE back.
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It would like its Super Fight back. Manny Pacquiao
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versus Ruslan Provodnikov. What the fuck is going
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on? Yeah, what are we doing at this point? Makes
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you wonder why they didn't fight in 2013. You
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know what? I was seeing on the Discord chat that
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we were talking about, like, what are, like,
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2010's, like, undercard fights to do specifically
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for, um, like, Mayweather Pacquiao 2, and I was
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like, we could do, we could run Tim Bradley,
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Ruslan Prodnodnikov, and just Provodnikov, and
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just... Like, old man CTE special. You know?
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You know, we could get Shannon Briggs versus
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Roy Jones Jr., just to be silly. Like, what is
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the worst, what is, like, the most, like, washed
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2010s matchup we can do for that undercard? Marcos
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Maidana versus Adrian Broner again. Again, but
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at heavyweight. Sergio Martinez. No, no. Marcos
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Maidana, Broner, too, but at heavyweight. They
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can just show up fat as shit. No, Adrian Broner
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versus Rios. Reynon Rios. That is some serious...
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This is some brutal shit, dude. Yeah. Like, another
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pizza's getting thrown at one of them. Like,
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uh... What is it? When Victor Ortiz lost that...
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What was it? Second? Yeah. Lost the second...
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Lost this rematch with Andre Berto. I was thinking
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of... Remember the fan threw the pizza at his
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face. I think it was Chavez Jr. versus Danny
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Jacobs. Oh, yeah. The slushie. Yeah. He got a
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drink thrown at him. Yeah. And a shoe. And a
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shoe. The George Bush special with the shoe.
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Is this a Saudi influence card or is this purely
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just TMT? I'm thinking it's TMT. I haven't heard
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of the Saudis really being involved with this
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one. I haven't yet. Maybe the Israeli government.
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Considering how... The Israeli government. You
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guys saw how Mayweather was sitting in front
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of a whole conference and said, I give my heart
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out to Israel. That's how you know a bro's broke,
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too. Young, hungry lion. That's true. If he's
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not making money from the Israeli farming, from
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Israeli lordping, I don't know. That's how you
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know he's broke. You're right. It's a young,
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hungry nation. Take my hat off to him. Jesus
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Christ. Well, no, it's not a young hungry nation.
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It's been a nation promised for 3 ,000 years.
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Oh, 2 ,000 years. Of course, of course. Who can
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forget? Of course. By the way, I love Israel.
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Don't kill me. Oh, my God. All right. So out
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of the old man circuit of 2026, is this another...
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Is this quackery? Jaime Munguia turns down the
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fight against Resendiz and Jamal Charlo is likely
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the replacement. Hilarious fight to start the
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replacement. Yeah, I don't know what the career
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plan for Munguia is. Munguia is silly because
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he turned down a fight with Osles. He turned
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down a fight with Resendiz. I understand Oslies
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because that's a fight you will lose. Oslies
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is no risk. There's all risk, no reward. But
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Resendiz is. You should be able to beat Resendiz.
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It's a winnable fight, right? All reward, maybe
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no risk. Unless his management and camp know
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something we don't. His chin could just be cracked.
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But is Resendiz a hard puncher? No. Heavy -handed
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-ish. He got fucking knocked out by, what's his
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name? Elijah Garcia. Elijah Garcia. Elijah fucking
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Garcia. If they know something we don't, that's
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when you gotta think about it a bit. I'm not
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saying it's not ridiculous, but you know. I understand
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what you're saying. They know something that
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he might have something broken in his body now.
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Something might be up. He does have mileage.
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Yeah, he definitely has mileage. He's been in
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wars. He fought fucking Canelo. I mean, obviously,
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say what you want, but he fought Canelo. He was
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the first one to get... No, that wasn't Munguia's
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first knockdown, right? No, well, I think the
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Saras... He's taken a lot of punishment, and
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Saras... seems to just crack them. I don't know.
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Like, it's... It's funny. His team might know
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something we don't, for sure. A couple years
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ago, a fucking Munguia Munguia Benavidez wasn't
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even out of the question. Now, Munguia doesn't
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want to fight a fucking Resendiz? Are you kidding
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me? Yes. Again, I'm speaking about this from
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a mile away. But come on, dude. It's got to be.
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I'm not going to call him an easy fight, but
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it's easier than Osley's. Probably the easiest
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route you're going to become a champ in that
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division. For sure. But again, you're right.
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We don't know. Well, I'm wondering what the situation
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at super middleweight is. Because Munguia...
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He's turned down two title fights. Diego Pacheco
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turned down a title fight. And Hamza Shiraz is
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not exactly someone to be afraid of quite as
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much as Iglesias. But turning down Resendiz,
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dude, what the fuck is going on? Do you just
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not want to be a champion at this point? Who
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are you going to fight? What are you fighting
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for? What's the point? He's going to fight under
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Canelo, for sure. In September. But... I mean,
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come on. Come on. I mean, what kind of fucking...
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What path are you going to go down? What path
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are you going to go on? Yeah. I don't know who
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his manager is. Well, if he's still in the Reynoso
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camp, it might be Eddie. Could be. Could be a
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Canelo promotions fighter. managers not listed
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on box rec uh yeah disappointment um it was my
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my initial reaction and the one that has persisted
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throughout from when i first read about this
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has been if a world title is not what you're
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fighting for then what are you doing why are
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you why are you in the sport subjecting yourself
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to this punishment for what To go to fucking
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Zufa. I'm not saying that out of the question.
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He's probably going to go to Zufa in my opinion.
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That's what it's looking to be. He's a perfect
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Zufa fighter. Zufa's going to have some gross
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purses for some mid guys to start. Not even for
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some mid guys. For guys that are fucking will
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take a shit ton of punishment. You know? Yeah,
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I guess. That's what they're getting. They're
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getting guys who can't take punishment to build
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up their own fighters. I believe so. Get recognizable
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names to have their dudes beat them. Yeah, to
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build up their own guys to be recognizable names.
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I mean, you beat a Munguia, you beat a Valenzuela,
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you beat a damn Edwin de los Santos. I mean,
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come on. I mean, I'm not trying to say that they're
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all like shitters, but they're names, and if
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you beat them, you beat... You beat the guy that
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beat that, that fought Canelo. You beat, uh,
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the guy that beat Pitbull. You beat the guy that
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beat Ryo. You know? I mean, it legitimizes your,
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your own fighters. Yeah. And, well, the, something
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that MMA does get right is they don't put a lot
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of stock into being undefeated. So if you take
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a loss, like, it's fine. But. Yeah, you roll
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with it. Yeah, you just go on. You kind of expect
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the spectator to have seen the fight so that
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they know how bad of a loss was this really.
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But yeah, we'll see what Munguia does from here.
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And now we have Resendiz Charlo. Excellent. With
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like a month to go, is this the worst replacement?
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It's not a whole lot of Russians out there. That's
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a pretty good place for them, I mean. There's
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a bunch of good guys, and then we're still, like,
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reheating leftovers. Well, the thing is funny
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is that a lot of the top guys don't want to fight
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each other. I know. That's why it's like, okay,
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like, whatever, man. This past weekend was the
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first time I've ever heard Osley's name even
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mentioned. But, I mean, is Beck... Is Beck the
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Bully going to fight someone like Resendiz? Are
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they going to let fucking Ostley fight Pacheco?
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Is Pacheco going to fight Hamza Shiraz? No, they're
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not going to fight each other. They're all active.
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Not all of them, but a good chunk of them are
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actively avoiding each other, which is sad. I
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mean, hell, they gave Mbillie the title. They
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should have made Mbillie and Lester rematch.
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Yeah. But, you know, that's whatever. It's whatever.
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We'll see what happens with that division. It's
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going to be good, but they have to force it to
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be good. Yeah, there has to be a push to get
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these guys to face each other. Exactly. Moving
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to Golden Boy has announced a card. It is about
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as good as you can expect for where Golden Boy
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is currently at in their life cycle of a business.
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Let's see. We're starting with... Oscar Collazo
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is facing Jesus Haro. The many lovers of the
22:36
world are all aflame. Oscar Collazo was supposed
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to be rematching Melvin Jerusalem. That was supposed
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to be a three title fight. But instead we get
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this. Apparently the Jerusalem camp. They had
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all purchased their plane tickets. They had their
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hotels lined up and everything. And then they
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got the rug pulled on them. They might be minimum
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weights, but that's still a pretty scummy move.
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Also on the card, Gabriela Fandora is fighting
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Viviana Ruiz. That should be a good time. And
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Arnold Barbosa versus Kenneth Sims. I'm gonna
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make a guess. I'm gonna tell you this right now,
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and you guys can agree or disagree with me. You
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don't even need Arnold Barboza on that card.
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They could beat their own two separate cards.
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You do the same thing they did last year, where
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they put Quiazzo and Nora on the same card, and
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then you get fucking Arnold Barboza on his own
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card. I think stacking a card like that is not
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what Golden Boy should be doing, especially in
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the state they're in. Oh, it's tough. to get
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venues and get tickets for those venues. Oscar
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does have good... He has good connections with,
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like, the California desert casino places. Yeah,
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he has a lot of places in California. Even Arizona.
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I'm not sure what spot they're in, but it might
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genuinely be easier to just pack talent on one
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card, make it a cheap investment, instead of
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risking it all on... A bunch of smaller cards.
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I believe they're fighting at Pachanga, right?
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Let me see. I'm going to be honest. Honda Center,
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Anaheim. Oh, they're fighting at Anaheim? Oh,
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shit. Maybe I'll go. But I'll tell you this,
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though. I'll tell you this. They should... I
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don't think Arnold Barboza should be the main
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event. I mean, I get it why they have him as
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the main event because he's an L .A. guy. That
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makes sense now because they put him in Anaheim
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and the L .A. guys are going to go watch him.
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Hell, I might go watch him. You know? Yeah. But,
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I mean, putting all three of them on a main card.
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Again, you could get Floyd Schofield and Arlo
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Barbosa on a single card. Also, Criazzo and the
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champion on another card. Two draws. Those are
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two cards that will inevitably bring money in.
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Didn't Gabby and Oscar do a card already? Yeah,
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I believe it did pretty decent. Oceanside? Was
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that the one? Yeah, it was Oceanside, yeah. Yeah,
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I remember that. I thought it was actually pretty
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goddamn cool of Oscar to have his top female
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fighter and then a minimum weight being the headlines.
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I feel like if they still had the Melbourne -Jerusalem
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fight too, they probably could have done that.
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Gabby's a fun fighter too. I sincerely believe
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that people will watch Gabby. People are starting
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to notice Gabby. She gets knockouts. Exactly.
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For as little attention the women's side of the
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sport gets, she's getting some recognition. That's
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an interesting way to put it, to have Arnold
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and Ken Sims be like your strong headliner, and
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then you can pack that with your developing talent,
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and then have two... weaker headliners, but if
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you have a double headliner type of situation,
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then you can kind of put your less developed
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talent there. I guess the question is also how
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many guys does Oscar have to fill out an undercard?
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That's what I mean. He might just be, like, borderline
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destitute on, like, undercard guys, and that's
26:37
why he's got a packet on one card. I would say
26:41
he's got a decent amount of young guys. Yeah,
26:43
he did that card a few weeks ago that had, like,
26:47
it was top -to -bottom golden boy guys. So a
26:51
few weeks ago, and then you want him to turn
26:53
around to March. Well, he still has other guys
26:57
besides that. I think some of them could. Like,
27:00
the six -round, eight -round guys probably could.
27:04
For this one, yeah, but I'm saying if they did
27:06
multiple, like, if you split this one up into,
27:08
like, two or three cards, like, you probably
27:10
wouldn't be able to fill it in. Oh, you could
27:12
probably get Charles Conwell on there, too. Perhaps,
27:15
actually. Has Charles Conwell been active since
27:18
he lost? Since he lost in April of 25, he has
27:24
not fought. Yeah, okay. He needs to fight. Yeah.
27:29
Yeah, I was about to say, he needs to fucking
27:31
fight. Build your shit back up. It's not like
27:34
he lost embarrassingly either, right? It was
27:37
a split decision. It was a really competitive
27:39
fight. And it's something you can learn from.
27:43
And if you learn and you improve and you make
27:46
some noise, then, I mean, come on. He's not a
27:51
bad fighter at all. He just needs... He could
27:55
actually come back, you know? Yeah. Oh, shit.
27:58
He lost on that Oceanside card we were talking
28:00
about. Yeah. Yeah. What a wiener. Sorry, Charles.
28:08
I'm just having a laugh. We do want to see you
28:13
fight. Yeah, absolutely. Like, come on, bro.
28:15
Like a single loss. That ain't shit. Lace him
28:20
back up. You can do it. Don't go to Zufa, though.
28:25
Yeah. Don't do it for Zufa. Of all the entities
28:30
you could fight for, any but Zufa. Please. Moving
28:36
to... Saul, I want to get your word on this one
28:39
first. Okay. Janibek... has been suspended by
28:44
the WBO for one year. This is retroactive to
28:48
the date in December when he had the adverse
28:51
PED finding. And after his suspension period
28:57
is up, he has to fight the interim Titleist.
29:00
But what's your gut here? What's your gut telling
29:04
you on Janabek being quote -unquote suspended?
29:09
My thought, my thought, my thought. Can you guys
29:11
hear me, by the way? Yeah. Yes. Well, my thought
29:14
is that he should have been stripped all the
29:16
way. He should have been stripped of the W. And
29:20
I don't even think he's stripped of the IBF,
29:22
right? I don't think so. Yeah, no, he should
29:25
have been stripped of both titles. And he should
29:27
have at least had a fight before fighting for
29:31
the title again. Give the interim champion the
29:33
title. That's simply plain and simple. Why is
29:40
he getting special treatment? I don't know. Maybe
29:44
it's because he's a desolate. He's not a star.
29:49
He's not a star to be given this kind of treatment.
29:52
He's being given Canelo treatment without being
29:55
Canelo. There was something funny when I was
30:00
looking through this. This particular news bit
30:04
on Twitter, it was, there was somebody, some
30:10
random person said, how much did Janabek pay
30:13
you guys to let him keep his title? And the president
30:17
of the WBO replied saying, if you have any credible
30:22
evidence of this, contact the FBI. Okay, so.
30:28
They're just fucking stupid then. I took it more
30:34
as, fuck you, prove it. Yeah, that's how I'm
30:39
interpreting it, too, where I'm like, it's so
30:42
obvious that he did it. Yeah, that's obviously
30:45
what's happening, but we can't... Prove it. Yeah,
30:48
we can't prove it. We don't have the internal
30:51
access. Oh, yeah. Being suspended by the WBO...
30:58
Doesn't fucking mean anything. I've seen, like,
31:01
Adrian Broner got quote -unquote suspended by
31:04
the WBC when he did the little Can -Man routine
31:08
after a fight. Like, he just went to fight for
31:14
the WBA instead. Yeah, like, this is ridiculous.
31:19
He's still IBF champion. He could still make
31:21
a unification happen. He could still fight for
31:23
the IBF. And, yeah. I would have thought that
31:28
the IBF would have been the first to strip him
31:31
of his title. Do they have a mandatory lined
31:34
up, or did he just... Let me see. He didn't just
31:39
get it. He got the IBF fight two years ago. He
31:41
could have fought an IBF mandatory. It was that
31:44
bossy Russian dude, I think. No, that was a long
31:48
time ago. Never mind. No, that was a while ago.
31:50
Let me see. In Gamasengi, maybe? Was that WBO
31:55
or? It could have been Mikhailovich, yeah, yeah.
32:03
Let's see. Oh, yeah, he was a mandatory. Yeah,
32:09
I think that fight was only for the IBF and the
32:12
WBO. Yeah, it was only for the IBF. That was
32:14
a mandatory, and that was in 2024, so they're
32:17
late to stripping him. Hmm. Well. They're late.
32:22
He's a boxer, not a stripper, so I guess not.
32:27
It's... This shit is supposed to have consequences.
32:37
There are supposed to be consequences for pissing
32:40
hot. Jesus. Like, we're not even stripping guys
32:45
of their titles anymore. Like, and letting them
32:48
fight for them. We're just letting them keep
32:49
the title. No pretense of even trying to punish
32:52
them. Rare IBFL. Oh, I just think the IBF has...
32:59
IBF's probably just looking at their... Let's
33:04
look at the IBF rankings at 160. Just to see
33:08
if they even have a guy who would be mandatory.
33:10
Janabek is the best they can do. Well, let's
33:13
see. Sometimes they just don't have it mandatory
33:15
sorted, right? And that's why it takes longer.
33:17
Oh, yeah. They got to do their specific eliminators.
33:21
Yeah, they don't have a number one right now.
33:25
Or a two? They have a two. Okay. It's an Italian
33:29
named Etinosa Oleja. Vito Melnicki is ranked
33:35
number 10. All right. I swear to fucking Christ.
33:43
If Vito Melnicki becomes a champion for Virgil
33:46
Ortiz, I'm going to blow my head off. Let's see.
33:49
Here's Callum Walsh and Vito Melnicki are in
33:52
the top 10 for the IBF. No, Callum Walsh ain't
33:56
going to be fighting for that shit. Aaron McKenna,
33:58
too. Ew. Really? Yeah. Yeah, that's how we bought
34:02
it. We got Yonley Hernandez at 13. Amari Jones
34:08
at seven. Like, that's what I mean. They have
34:10
no mandatory right now. So, if they had a mandatory,
34:13
they would have stripped Janet Beck yesterday.
34:15
Yeah, Janet Beck yesterday. But, unfortunately,
34:21
middleweight is actually tragic. Great analysis.
34:25
That's a great analysis. I wouldn't have known
34:26
that. Middleweight is tragic. Because the IBF,
34:29
like, the only reason they don't strip guys for
34:31
not defending as mandatories is when they don't
34:34
have a mandatory. Because they have to set up
34:36
their little, elimination tournaments or whatever.
34:39
Yeah, the final eliminators, you gotta have like
34:41
fucking five of them. Yeah, like you just gotta...
34:46
Well, once there's a more populated weight classes,
34:51
yeah, it goes pretty quick. The turnover is pretty
34:54
damn fast. But it's middleweight in 2026, so...
35:00
Absolutely dire. Like, this is... Vito Melnicki
35:07
is top 10 in any weight class. You are certainly
35:13
not doing well. Vito Melnicki, world champ before
35:19
Virgil. Please. If that happens, I'm actually
35:28
going to leave the pod. I'm going to leave a
35:30
shame. I can't handle the calls that are coming
35:33
in. Link the call number. The dunkers showing
35:40
up to... Yeah, the dunkers showing up with that
35:45
phone number. Yeah, I got it in a few seconds.
35:50
Man, Janet Beck suspended for a year. Fucking
35:56
slap on the wrist. Let's see here. AJ is starting
36:03
to get back in the gym. It's not a full training
36:06
camp. He's just starting to get himself back
36:09
into a little bit of a routine. The idea is that
36:15
if he continues to work out regularly, we can
36:23
start talking about a camp and look at a return
36:26
late July, early August. But given the circumstances...
36:35
I cannot imagine losing your best friends who
36:42
were also an integral part of your camp. I cannot
36:46
imagine that going back to the gym is an easy
36:49
thing to do right now. Oh, no, no. So, like,
36:55
if AJ's done, I get it. It's fucking rough. I
37:03
get it. Yeah, like, I can't judge him. Take your
37:08
time, man. Yeah. If you want to come back, then
37:11
come back. But if you don't, whatever, man. You
37:15
have all the money in the world. You have all
37:18
the accolades. Like, who fucking cares? Last
37:22
thing. Matchroom Boxing signs a five -year extension
37:29
with The Zone. Given the state that boxing is
37:35
in right now, this is a really good sign, I think,
37:38
that we have one of the major players on a steady,
37:42
secure broadcast platform. I'm happy to see this.
37:46
Until the 2030s, too. Next decade. Yep, I'm happy
37:50
to see this. Yeah, you've kicked the problem
37:52
down the line, which is good. Staying on the
37:57
DAZN, though, kind of sucks, but, I mean, where
38:01
the fuck else are you going to go to? Sky Sports?
38:04
Where else is there to go? Paramount Plus, if
38:08
you want to watch Sufen. And try and scam Netflix.
38:14
For the one -off event that they decide to do.
38:17
Yeah. Quick sidebar, honestly. Do you think it
38:23
would be possible for boxing to even, besides
38:24
these big events, right? Do you think it would
38:26
be possible for these even smaller events to
38:29
get into Netflix? Because I feel like these small
38:31
events on Netflix would be... Amazing for boxing.
38:34
You'd need a broadcasting deal that Netflix is
38:37
not willing to put up because they care about
38:39
immediate return instead of a steady return.
38:44
I feel like they would be able to get immediate
38:46
return with these type of deals. What would have
38:48
to happen is you'd have to combine the stables
38:51
of Matchroom, PBC, Queensberry. All of the major
38:58
players would have to go in together. To be able
39:02
to, at the very least, be able to offer their
39:05
own development cards in a regular fashion. But
39:10
also having crossover fights not be hindered
39:14
by broadcast differences. That right there is
39:21
the boxing utopia. Absolutely. You need people
39:25
to work together. I'll tell you this. You get
39:28
on Netflix. I know it sounds fucking like a fever
39:33
dream. And I might just be sounding like the
39:34
Saudis, okay? But you get all the boxing promoters
39:38
together under one banner, like the HBO days,
39:40
and you use the fucking... With your subscription,
39:45
you get boxing free. Every week, you get a boxing
39:48
fight. And it's a decent card every week. Every
39:50
month, you have a big fight, non -pay -per -view,
39:52
that tens of millions of people watch. They will
39:55
love that shit, I feel like. I think that will
39:58
bring boxing back to the forefront. You know,
40:01
boxing on Netflix. Netflix, the home box office
40:06
for boxing. There you go. I think that what platform
40:13
you do this on isn't, I don't know if it's quite
40:17
as material. Netflix does have the advantage
40:22
of having the bigger built -in user base or subscription
40:26
base. But if you were to have all of the major
40:30
players signed to DAZN or Paramount +, what really
40:37
matters is having all of the best fighters in
40:42
one place that you can watch them on. Exactly.
40:48
Who they're signed to, like what streamer they're
40:52
signed to, doesn't really matter. Just as long
40:56
as they're in one place. Just my take on it.
41:01
I agree, but I think if they're not fighting
41:03
at all, you know, if the big names are not fighting,
41:07
which happened last decade, I mean, it's not
41:11
worth a shit. DAZN pulled off that Matchroom
41:16
-Queensbury 5 vs. 5, so it is possible. It is
41:21
possible. With Saudi money. True. It does need
41:25
the... And that's, I guess, where having Netflix
41:30
in place as the platform. The facilitator. Yeah,
41:34
they have the money to facilitate that. But you'd
41:39
have to get someone with executive experience
41:42
like Espinosa in place to be able to pitch that
41:48
kind of thing. Because he can speak to the returns
41:53
that Showtime Sports had. And they had pretty
41:58
good returns, too. They did. For a while. For
42:01
a while. All right. Anything more for Boxing
42:09
and its broadcast woes? Not for the moment. All
42:16
tapped out. All right. Let's see here. Just some
42:21
notes. If you want to join us on Discord, it's
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42:29
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45:36
little light, but we will march on. Starting
45:43
first, Tuesday, February 10th. Salida promotions
45:47
on DAZN. It was certainly a card. There was a
45:54
card. There was certainly boxing happening. I
46:00
was only tracking two fights here. Caroline Veyer
46:04
gets the UD over Delphine Persoon to claim the
46:08
WBC Super Featherweight title. Delphine, man,
46:13
she was a... a major player in the women's ranks
46:18
for quite some time. And it might be those, those
46:22
days might be coming to an end. It's time to
46:25
give it up. You're 41. You're a 41 year old super
46:29
featherweight. Like it's not disrespectful. It's
46:34
just. She had a good career. She had a great
46:36
career. She had a good career. That's what I'm
46:37
saying. It's not disrespectful. Like it's just,
46:39
you're 41 and a super featherweight. It's time
46:43
to. That's how it goes. Try to pack it in. Shanada
46:48
tried to claim Caroline. She's from France and
46:54
currently lives in Quebec. Do you claim her as
46:58
another Canadian champion? Do we claim her as
47:05
a Canadian champion? To what extent? What do
47:11
we consider a Canadian champion? Do we consider
47:14
Archer Beterbiev a Canadian champion? Is Nbili
47:20
a Canadian champion? Nbili is, because he's been
47:24
here most of his life, right? But Beterbiev,
47:27
who just came over to avoid the embargo following
47:31
the invasion of Ukraine. The sports embargo?
47:34
Yeah. Yeah, do we count? Beterbiev. Hmm. BoxRick
47:46
does not. I would say if Mbili is, then Caroline
47:52
Byer is. Okay, yes. Then good. Yeah. Because
47:58
they're in the exact same situation. French passport
48:02
holders and they moved to French Canada. It's
48:07
not for any reason other than a personal one
48:10
rather than You're here because you wouldn't
48:13
be able to compete for world titles if you were
48:15
Russian. The way all the Russians, like on BoxRec,
48:18
they opted to being Armenian somehow. Armenian,
48:22
Chechnian, Canadian. Anything but Russian. Yeah,
48:28
so that's how we... And, main event, Joshua Pagan
48:35
gets the UD over Brian Jimenez. It was rough
48:40
and tumble. Pagan is not very good, but this
48:45
is like the best Salida has to offer. So make
48:49
peace with it. Saturday, February 14th. If you're
48:56
a fucking single loser like me, you are at home
49:00
watching Dream Boxing on DAZN out of Germany.
49:06
Why are we even talking about this card? Marco
49:10
Hook. That Marco Hook, if you even remember who
49:14
that is. He got a UD over Václav Pejsar. It was
49:22
certainly a fight. Marco Hook looked his fucking
49:26
age. Sunday, February 15th, we had two Muto promotions
49:35
out of Osaka, Japan. There were a few fights
49:41
on this one. Only one that we were really paying
49:44
attention to. Ryosuke Nishida gets the unanimous
49:49
technical decision in seven. It was stopped on
49:54
a cut in the eighth over Brian Mercado. Yeah,
50:01
Josh, we watched this one. We watched this one
50:02
together. It was very entertaining. Oh, yeah.
50:05
Good little scrap. I think the cut, the stoppage
50:11
was a bit premature on the cut. Like, it was
50:13
a big cut, but it wasn't like... It was manageable,
50:16
right? It wasn't gushing. The corner was on top
50:19
of it. It wasn't blocking his sight very much.
50:23
Doctor probably saw how deep it was and got freaked
50:26
out instead of actually looking at where it was.
50:30
But, yeah. No, Nishida was definitely putting
50:34
in some clean work. At first, it was Mercado,
50:39
who was definitely putting on more pressure,
50:40
but hitting a lot of gloves, elbows, wasn't clean.
50:46
Yeah, he was that come -forward, swarmer kind
50:49
of guy. Yeah. That was a good showing for Nishida,
50:52
though. Nishida definitely looked good, and more
50:54
importantly, didn't look rattled coming off of
50:59
a pretty harsh loss to Junto Nakatani. Yeah,
51:04
good to see that his arm's still working after
51:07
that fucking dislocation. He's not rattled. It's
51:11
good. Yeah. He can still be a player. And 122,
51:17
if with Inoue Nakatani, it's set May 2nd at the
51:24
Tokyo Dome. I'm expecting Inoue's going to pull
51:29
this one out. We can talk about this another
51:32
time, I suppose. Inoue's going to need opponents
51:35
if he's going to stay at 122. So, Nishida's not
51:39
a bad shot. Nope. Especially if he can do them
51:43
better than Nakatani did. There's definitely...
51:50
I mean, it's... 126 is definitely a bit more
51:53
of a jump to move. The quality of opposition
51:58
increases greatly when you step up to 26. Like,
52:02
your mean opponent. Like, Nakatani's probably
52:04
the best he'll face in his career. But, like,
52:08
size -wise, the guys start getting big and good.
52:13
Yeah. That's, like... Rafael Espinoza is 6 '1".
52:20
Yeah, I was going to say, I know maybe I'm a
52:24
little biased, but I think that the tougher fight
52:27
at 126, all things notwithstanding, was never
52:32
Nick Ball. It was Espinoza. Like, Espinoza is
52:37
massive and good, which is... Like, it's usually...
52:44
Anyways, the lead opponents have at least been...
52:47
Anyways, opponents, like, his better names on
52:48
his resume have been his size. Yeah, definitely.
52:53
Espinoza is a very competent operator, but he's
52:57
huge. Let's roll on. Last card. Zufa Boxing 3
53:09
at the Meta Apex in Las Vegas. For how decision
53:15
-heavy Zufa 2 was, Zufa 3 had a lot of stoppages.
53:20
A lot of fun stuff. If you are an agnostic viewer,
53:27
Zufa 3 was very entertaining. It was very enjoyable
53:32
to watch, I must admit. But nonetheless, these
53:36
guys are... You would find these guys on... Same
53:40
type of dudes, same quality of fighter on a matchroom
53:45
undercard or this... Queensberry card coming
53:49
up. It's like stacked top to bottom with prospects.
53:53
Regardless. I wanted to mention Leo Ruiz getting
53:58
a stoppage in four just because we have the same
54:02
name. That's really it. That's it? That was it.
54:07
I don't have to write him a sternly worded letter
54:11
saying you have to change your name. That's true.
54:14
Because you're a fucking loser. Speaking of losers,
54:19
the main event. Not yet. Abel Mejia was actually...
54:26
Abel Mejia was getting pushed pretty heavily
54:29
by the Zufa comms and all the promotional material.
54:34
And Jabrio Pebenito just was not having it and
54:39
decided to knock him the fuck out. It was really
54:42
nice. That's good. Umar Dzambikov got a stoppage
54:49
in two in the co -main and main event. Efe Adjogba
54:54
stops Charles Martin in four. How in the hell
54:59
were the betting odds as close as they were?
55:04
This fight was hilarious. I can't lie. I gotta
55:09
give it to Josh. I was wrong. I... I'm not sure.
55:15
If we had done in Discord, if we did rolls for
55:18
this one, there would have been a surprising
55:20
amount of Charles Martin people. Well, it's just
55:23
because Ajagba is also terrible. He's turbo ass.
55:27
Yes. That's what I mean. Ajagba sucks, but you
55:30
have to remember, Martin sucks, is washed up,
55:33
and he really sucks. Long ass layoff. Long ass
55:40
layoff. All the ingredients were there. I think
55:47
people just continue memory -holing how he won
55:51
his world title. When his power exploded a knee?
55:57
Yeah, that's what I mean. People forget his world
56:00
title reign lasting three months because his
56:06
opponent went to his corner and then to the glue
56:09
factory. We did get that legendary promotional
56:15
line, Charles Martin sitting in front of AJ,
56:19
and he says, I walk this earth like a god. And
56:23
AJ just kind of chuckles like, that's some real
56:26
champ shit. I like that. His world title really
56:29
was an act of god, though. I'm serious. His opponent
56:36
never fought again. That's how bad his leg exploded.
56:42
it was pretty bad it was glass the worst part
56:45
is glass was like actually beating his ass too
56:48
like this was a hilarious like everyone just
56:53
memory holds that they go like yeah like they
56:55
they like yes he's the worst heavyweight champion
56:58
of all time but people still say but he was a
57:00
champion and that's how they convince themselves
57:02
he'll show up and be good ever Man, we do need
57:11
to start taking a second look at how many titles
57:16
we have. If we have, like, Charles Martin. Fucking
57:21
come on. Yeah, that's what I mean. Like, Fabio
57:23
Wardley is even top two worst champs. Oh, shit.
57:29
He's not. Fabio Wardley. Fabio Wardley is not
57:32
the worst, like, is not the most, like, incompetent
57:35
heavyweight champion, even though he's probably
57:37
losing in his very first defense. Hey, hey, don't
57:42
jinx it. Don't jinx it, dude. I don't care at
57:44
this point. But I, come on, we, like, Baku suffered
57:49
for years with John Ruiz living and breathing.
57:54
But, like, man, like, especially, like, I saw,
57:59
like, there was some consideration for him, like,
58:03
giving it a go against Jared Anderson and winning
58:06
a round, maybe. Yeah, he had moments. But, like,
58:13
that speaks to Jared Anderson more than it does
58:17
Charles Martin. Hey, Unc still had it in him
58:22
at the time. Unc didn't have it in him ever.
58:26
Hey, at the time they get around against Jared
58:27
Anderson? Unc in his prime was out here getting
58:30
dominated by Adam Kwanaki. Unc in his, not in
58:36
his prime, got around for Jared Anderson. Oh,
58:39
my God. Like... Top American prospect. Oh, my
58:47
God. It's just... I don't get how... Like, Ajagba
58:50
is... Ajagba is still turbo -ass, but... Come
58:56
on, man. So, Ajagba in his... Like, in the post
59:04
-fight presser, the post -fight conference...
59:07
He's been going on a bit of a tirade with...
59:12
I'm ranked in the top 10 for heavyweights everywhere.
59:17
Everywhere that's relevant. And nobody wants
59:21
to fight me. Yeah, dude. You sucked. You lost
59:26
all the fights that you needed. You lost the
59:27
fight that you needed to win and then fought
59:30
nobody to put you in position to actually contend
59:35
for a title. Because there's a difference between
59:38
being ranked and being in contention. Daniel
59:41
Dubois, despite losing, has fought his way to
59:45
remain in contention. Yeah, you have to fight
59:49
actual eliminators. If you're that upset about
59:51
it, go up the IBF route and don't sign to Zufa.
59:57
Yeah, don't expect an actual legitimate world
1:00:01
title if you're going to be fighting for Zufa.
1:00:06
Yeah, like, say what you will. Dubois lost to
1:00:10
Usyk the first time and then put himself back
1:00:14
in position by fighting for an IBF eliminator
1:00:18
with Hergovich. And then killed AJ, and then,
1:00:24
yeah, now, like, he's fought the actual fights
1:00:28
that will put him in... the top of the rankings
1:00:31
instead of just floating around the top 15 being
1:00:34
like, why does no one want to fight me? It's
1:00:36
tough. Fabio Wardley started off climbing up
1:00:41
to, he got the British title Commonwealth, like
1:00:43
that nonsense that they do over there. And he,
1:00:47
he fought the fucking fights. He beat the shit
1:00:50
out of Frazier Clark after having, he had a questionable
1:00:53
performance against Frazier Clark, knocked him
1:00:56
the ever loving fuck out in the rematch. And
1:01:00
then he worked his way upward. Justice Hooney,
1:01:04
Justice Parker. Justice Hooney, like all of the
1:01:07
WBO. Those are solid fucking wins. Yeah. And
1:01:13
it's not even, like, even if they weren't solid,
1:01:15
the point is that he fought the opponents to
1:01:18
get in position for a title shot. Or in this
1:01:22
case, a title. He fought the guys he needed to.
1:01:25
Imagine if he just... sat around complaining
1:01:27
for a title shot after beating Clark the second
1:01:30
time. Yeah, no one wants to fight me because
1:01:35
I sparked out Frazier Clark. Yeah, and I'm going
1:01:39
to sit on my WBO European title. That's not how
1:01:42
it works. But I expect this is going to be the
1:01:48
type of media posturing that we can see from
1:01:52
the quote -unquote elite. That are coming or
1:01:57
fighting in Zufa. Oh, yeah. Just a lot of chatter.
1:02:04
Anything more for our recaps before we keep it
1:02:08
rolling? I want to add something to news and
1:02:13
something to actually Zufa 3. Where Dana White
1:02:17
made a comment about how he was fighting babies.
1:02:20
Oh, the other promoters. Yeah. Yeah. He's trying
1:02:24
to posture the, I guess, the view of Zufa that
1:02:30
they're taking over boxing. Obviously, they're
1:02:31
trying to say that they're going to take over
1:02:33
boxing, but that is easy when it's been completely
1:02:37
just a road of fucking hassle. Shitters and nobodies,
1:02:42
that's all he has. Yeah, shitters and nobodies.
1:02:44
They're trying to make it look like they've got
1:02:46
kings, but, I mean, these guys never made it
1:02:49
on a main event, you know? Yeah. Because we're
1:02:51
never stars. Ryo, man, that one still fucking
1:02:56
baffles me. Like, dude, you had one setback against
1:03:00
Anton Russell. Come on, dude. We'll talk about
1:03:06
another guy soon. I don't know if it's going
1:03:07
to be this week or next week, but we'll be talking
1:03:08
about another guy. Yeah, we'll be talking about
1:03:10
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bitch. All right. Into the previews. Kind of
1:06:25
light. But we do have one pretty good card. Starting
1:06:30
first. Friday, February 27th. ProBox TV in Arlington,
1:06:36
Texas. there are as you would expect from a like
1:06:41
prospect development series like pro box there
1:06:45
are a fuck ton of fighters on this card um this
1:06:49
is this is a if you are again if you're a single
1:06:52
fucking loser like me this is a perfect use of
1:06:56
your friday night um let's see names that i recognize
1:07:03
i recognize renee taez Ruben Aguilar, that's
1:07:09
in the main and co -main, respectively. Oh, I
1:07:13
recognize Edward Vasquez. Javier Bocanegra. Some
1:07:21
guys that have been coming up, they've been putting
1:07:25
in the work. Speaking of Espinoza, Vasquez coming
1:07:29
off of getting turned into ground beef by Espinoza
1:07:32
last year. Hey, well, when you got to rehab your
1:07:36
career, Probox is a lovely place to do it. Yeah,
1:07:38
Probox is always there for you. Yep. Moving to
1:07:43
Saturday, February 28th. First card first. Just
1:07:51
a random insert. There's a Queensbury card on
1:07:53
DAZN that this is the one that I had mentioned
1:07:57
that's just full of prospects. So if you want
1:08:00
to check that out, if you want some Brit slop,
1:08:02
fucking get after it. Manny Pacquiao promotions
1:08:06
on Amazon Prime out of Verona, New York. The
1:08:12
headline, Elijah Pierce vs. Lorenzo Parra. Had
1:08:18
to make sure to roll the R for that one. Do you
1:08:20
guys think Elijah Pierce will be a notable name
1:08:24
in the future? Maybe. He's climbed up the ladder.
1:08:33
He's a bit of a project guy, but time's starting
1:08:36
to run out on whether he reaches that kind of
1:08:42
upper echelon of the sport. Just because, yeah,
1:08:48
whatever, two early losses really don't matter
1:08:51
at this point in your career. But it's time to
1:08:57
start accelerating a little bit at age 29. Yeah,
1:09:03
avoid Derek James at all costs. Avoid Derek James.
1:09:08
Not a bad show. Womax got room in his camp. The
1:09:14
two fighters that I really wanted to point out
1:09:18
on this one, like the main event, whatever, I
1:09:21
don't really care. But, Kermel Moten is fighting
1:09:26
on this one against Wilfredo Flores. Now, I have
1:09:30
not seen... any indication that this is true
1:09:33
but there's a lot of talk that this is at welterweight
1:09:37
is that like moten fights at 135 he's at welterweight
1:09:43
now jesus what the fuck that's what i mean i
1:09:48
said he'll make it to like 160 before fighting
1:09:50
anyone jesus christ it says 147 your eyes are
1:09:55
not deceiving you well There you have it. Carmel
1:09:58
Moten. He's a growing boy. Yeah, he's 19, so,
1:10:03
you know, DoorDash has good deals from time to
1:10:08
time. The problem is he's 5 '4". Right, that's
1:10:12
what I, like, he's small. He's like Gervonta
1:10:14
Davis. Like, how the fuck are you that big? Especially
1:10:19
as a teenager, like, you're in... camp, for fights?
1:10:24
How is this possible? You gotta be on that Isaac
1:10:27
diet. I'm starting to get nervous about Cormel
1:10:32
Moten's career. I'm not gonna lie. The way he's
1:10:36
being managed and the way he's been moved. He's
1:10:39
disciplined. Yeah, I think honestly like he's
1:10:46
still fighting. He'll get there eventually. It's
1:10:48
just... Ooh, he's definitely looking more and
1:10:51
more of a project guy than, like, a star prospect.
1:10:54
He was one of those, like, five -star prospects
1:10:57
that people were talking about. You've got to
1:11:00
start thinking of putting the brakes on the hype
1:11:04
and thinking of him as a project guy. Because,
1:11:07
like, definitely, like, you know the MMA meme
1:11:10
of, like, two years Dagestan? Two, three years,
1:11:13
forget. Two, three years, Pro Box, forget. Yeah,
1:11:17
that might be the move. Yeah, like, stick him
1:11:19
on ProBox. Like, he's going to sink or swim.
1:11:23
And honestly, like, he's a five -star prospect.
1:11:25
He should swim. And they'll give him, like, they'll
1:11:28
roll out the red carpet for him, too. Like, he's
1:11:30
not going to be mistreated or, like, treated
1:11:33
like some other, like, just another guy coming
1:11:36
up. No, like, it's ProBox. And with the hype
1:11:40
he has, ProBox could probably have him headline
1:11:42
every time. Exactly. Exactly. Like, it'll be
1:11:46
a good chunk of change. Like, you're not paying
1:11:48
to fight bums. You're getting good work. Like,
1:11:52
I presume part of the issue stems from the whole
1:11:56
lack of broadcast networks. Because, like, with
1:12:02
his profile, you kind of have to, you know. Yeah,
1:12:07
he's not a PPC undercard guy. Yet. But he's basically
1:12:11
paying, his team is paying for him to fight instead
1:12:15
of the other way around. My thing is he's fighting
1:12:18
as much as, well, last year he only fought twice.
1:12:22
Yeah. He is not at that level. That's ridiculous
1:12:25
for a prospect. Yeah, he's not. Get him on ProBox
1:12:27
every three months for the next couple of years.
1:12:31
Two, three years ProBox and forget it. Yeah,
1:12:34
like, literally, even if he's not making that
1:12:36
much money, like, I assume the opponents they
1:12:39
have to bring in, they're going to ask for extra
1:12:42
just because of the level of prospect that he
1:12:43
is. Oh, yeah, you're bringing me on to get schooled
1:12:47
by Moten. I want better than the regular pay.
1:12:51
I want better than $1 ,000. I mean, Kermel's
1:12:54
not fighting on his own card, though, right?
1:12:56
He's fighting Manny Pacquiao. No, no, but that
1:12:58
makes it worse. It's still Kermel. Wait, you
1:13:02
said he was fighting on the what card? Manny
1:13:03
Pacquiao promotions? Yeah. Which is interesting,
1:13:07
in my opinion, because... I mean, come on. Manny
1:13:10
Pacquiao promotions... It's not really... I know.
1:13:15
It's probably going to have such a little return
1:13:18
that you're going to have to pay for him to...
1:13:20
You have to pay for him and his opponent. And
1:13:24
I think the pay cut being on Pro Box at least
1:13:27
ensures you get consistent fights. You guys could
1:13:31
disagree with me with this. I don't care. His
1:13:34
best bet should be top rank. That would be a
1:13:38
great avenue to go to. In my opinion. Go to the
1:13:44
top rank, get built by them. They will build
1:13:47
him fantastic. And they won't move him quick.
1:13:51
I would agree if top rank had a broadcast deal.
1:13:56
Like, yeah, a set framework where they can...
1:14:00
Just push him through, like, this fight. We'll
1:14:03
have six, eight, ten rounds by this card. Yeah,
1:14:06
like, you'll fight on Heisman Knight for sure.
1:14:08
You'll fight on whenever we put Janabek on. You'll
1:14:12
fight whenever we put Abdullah Mason, like, back
1:14:15
when they were on ESPN. Well, guess what? You
1:14:18
do the Abdullah Mason and you stick him on every
1:14:20
undercard, basically. What is he getting right
1:14:23
now? He's getting nothing. I mean, anything's
1:14:25
better than right now. But top rank isn't going
1:14:28
to give him that either. Even Matchroom, he would
1:14:31
be a great Matchroom guy with their Black American
1:14:34
stable. Matchroom, I think they would do a good
1:14:38
job with him. Queensberry would as well. The
1:14:41
ceiling is a little lower with Queensberry, but
1:14:44
I think they have the infrastructure to build
1:14:47
a guy like Kermel Moten up. Oh, yeah. Let's see.
1:14:52
So, Kermel Moten and Manny Pacquiao Jr. is also
1:14:58
fighting on this card. So, I still have not found
1:15:02
this on Amazon Prime. I've looked many times.
1:15:09
Allegedly on Prime. Allegedly it's on Prime.
1:15:12
Let's see here. Last one. Matchroom on DAZN in
1:15:19
Phoenix, Arizona. I will absolutely be in attendance.
1:15:25
Moving up the bill, it does leave a little bit
1:15:29
to be desired. Emiliano Vargas is on it, so I'm
1:15:34
very happy to see him getting work. Abel Ramos,
1:15:38
Unk still got it. Tamir Smalls. Unk still got
1:15:41
it. But the main event, Emmanuel Navarrete versus
1:15:46
Eduardo Nunez, WBO and IBF. Super featherweight
1:15:52
champions. Will be unifying. I'm. I'm. Hmm. I'm
1:16:02
trying to think. This is a really good fight.
1:16:06
I'm still not entirely sure. Who I think is going
1:16:10
to win. For. For reasons. I would. I'm riding
1:16:18
with Nunez. Only because. Nav has he has skated
1:16:25
by without really having to put in all the same
1:16:30
commitment that other fighters have to. And he
1:16:34
gets the accolades anyway. So he's had the most
1:16:38
like like pretty much any call that like could
1:16:42
go his way generally does. Typically it does.
1:16:45
So I would like to see that road run out for
1:16:49
him. That's really it. Regardless if Nav wins,
1:16:54
I'm not fussed. I'm happy either way. I just
1:16:58
hope for a good fight. Nunez will avenge Liam
1:17:02
Wilson. I got to be honest. I think Nunez wins,
1:17:08
but I really can't say until we see the weigh
1:17:10
-ins. Oh, yeah. Nunez will suspiciously weigh
1:17:14
in at a career -low five pounds lower than he's
1:17:17
ever weighed before. And Nav will just scrape
1:17:20
by the weight limit again. Well, what I'm thinking
1:17:23
is if Nunez is more accurate, I would say even
1:17:28
faster. Just a slicker Oscar Valdez. You know?
1:17:34
I think that even though he's shorter than Navarrete,
1:17:38
if he's accurate and Nunez does hit hard, I mean,
1:17:43
he might win. I think he has a good chance of
1:17:47
winning this weekend. Yeah, that's what I was
1:17:49
going to say. He fights similarly to Valdez,
1:17:53
but he has heavy hands behind it. And that makes
1:17:57
a huge difference in how you approach fighting
1:18:01
him. 100%. When Navarrete, the way he wins is
1:18:05
he's just going to be tall and long and be awkward.
1:18:12
I mean, honestly, if Navarrete makes weight...
1:18:15
and he makes weight good i'm not gonna lie yeah
1:18:19
if he makes weight good i'm not gonna lie i i
1:18:21
think that he might just win too it's hard it's
1:18:25
a tough step i can't i can't really choose i
1:18:28
i hope nunez wins but you never know yeah so
1:18:35
on uh boxing before dark for this week i had
1:18:40
picked up some topics some like off topic things
1:18:42
to put up at the top to to add a little pad a
1:18:48
little time um one of the topics that i picked
1:18:51
up oh do you guys remember maybe you didn't follow
1:18:55
it but maybe you heard of the little pygmy hippo
1:18:59
mudang oh yeah so slightly so that yeah the one
1:19:07
that ate the one that ate the trump cake yeah
1:19:10
and like would bite people and shit all the time
1:19:13
yeah so that trend kind of passed on what the
1:19:17
the new hotness in the animal kingdom is the
1:19:22
monkey punch yeah punch okay yeah so we were
1:19:26
talking about punch and when we got to the end
1:19:31
and we were talking about this fight specifically
1:19:33
it was uh she asked who do you think punch would
1:19:36
be cheering for and i said now punch His fame
1:19:42
comes from, he was abandoned by his mother, and
1:19:46
he was given an orangutan, like, little stuffy.
1:19:49
The Ikea monkey plushie, yes. Yeah, to be, like,
1:19:52
that was his little friend. So, my thinking was,
1:19:57
Punch would cheer for Nav, because Nav has those
1:20:01
fucking gorilla arms. Nav looks like the monkey
1:20:03
plushie, exactly. Punch would be going for, he
1:20:07
would be cheering for Nav. The worst part is
1:20:10
the plushie has a little bit of a pot belly like
1:20:13
that. The resemblance is uncanny. The resemblance
1:20:18
is uncanny. Yeah, that was a little callback
1:20:24
to Boxing Before Dark. Punch the monkey. Oh,
1:20:29
shit. This is a fucking long drive for me. God,
1:20:35
I can't even get all shitty at the event. Just
1:20:40
gotta sit there like a good little boxing fan
1:20:44
and just be really observant. Just gotta take
1:20:47
it at that point. Yeah, pretty much. Still, though,
1:20:51
this... Yeah, the card is not the best, but Vargas,
1:20:59
happy to see him live. Abel Ramos doing it for
1:21:05
us old guys. And yeah, the main event's fucking
1:21:08
fun. Oh, yeah. That's all we got on the docket
1:21:12
for this one. So, we're heading into Nav Nunez
1:21:17
weekend. Parting words. I hope the zookeepers
1:21:25
start giving Punch boxing predictions for real,
1:21:27
though. It'd be really funny. Yeah, give him
1:21:32
Inoue Nakatani things. Make him choose. See if
1:21:38
he knows ball. The most recent update that I've
1:21:43
seen is that his little clan in the zoo, they
1:21:48
have accepted him. They have accepted him. And
1:21:51
what's funny is whenever he gets into play fights,
1:21:53
he swings the monkey plush around too. But the
1:22:00
thing is that the other monkey also... sort of
1:22:04
recognizes the plush as another monkey so it's
1:22:07
like they're to be wanting the monkey fucking
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nav nunez punch the monkey is probably going
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for nav Anything else? Anything else? Well, let's
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go Nunez, hopefully. Let's go Vargas, let's go.
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Let's go, everybody. February 8th was... It's
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in the review block, but fucking... That was
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the Super Bowl. I didn't... I watched it. I watched
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the... The halftime show. I thought it was cool
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to see Xander Zayas and Emiliano Vargas there.
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To me, that part of the show spoke to me personally.
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I very much speak Spanish and understand it.
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I don't listen to Bad Bunny's music, so I didn't
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really care that he was performing. Yeah. But...
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Apparently, there was a dude on the TPUSA one
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that was... He was singing a song about fishing
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and driving his truck and feeding his dog. It
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was a really good song. Just thought I'd put
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that little... End note there. All right. That's
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it for this edition of The Boxing B -Sides. Go
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check out Punch the Monkey.