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Recordings on Biden Crime Family, Ted Cruz Joins us to Explain · The Ben Ferguson Podcast

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Speaker 1: We are getting more information now about what's going to
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Speaker 1: happen when it comes to this investigation into the president
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Speaker 1: of the United States of America. Democrats were now being
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Speaker 1: told are very concerned about what happened with this piece
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Speaker 1: of paper or the documents that are showing now that
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Speaker 1: Donald that Joe Biden could be in real trouble. We
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Speaker 1: are also hearing now that the White House some of
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Speaker 1: the staffers are actually looking for ways to leave the
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Speaker 1: White House. Yeah, leave the White House. Why because they
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Speaker 1: want to get paid in case this disaster actually happens. Now,
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Speaker 1: he's been able to get away with everything so far.
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Speaker 1: The question is will he continue to be able to
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Speaker 1: get away with it. Ket McCarthy was asked last night
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Speaker 1: about holding somebody in contempt, right, I mean, this bribery
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Speaker 1: scheme is a real deal. And now Congress has said
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Speaker 1: they're going to hold Christopher Ray in contempt. I want
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Speaker 1: you to hear what he had to say about these
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Speaker 1: new documents.
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Speaker 2: Lord knows, no one's coming on primetime except Speaker of
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Speaker 2: the House Kevin McCarthy.
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Speaker 1: So tell me about this deal with Chris.
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Speaker 2: Ray at the FBI. Is he going to be held
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Speaker 2: in contempt?
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Speaker 3: He will be held in contempt if he doesn't do
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Speaker 3: what is responsible to do. Remember, in the Commitment to America,
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Speaker 3: Republicans said we'd go and make sure we had accountability
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Speaker 3: and transparency. We had a whistleblower come before us and
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Speaker 3: say that he'd gone to the FBI about hearing of
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Speaker 3: a five million dollar bribe from a foreign individual to
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Speaker 3: then Vice President Biden and then talked about sending money
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Speaker 3: to LLCs and others. We subpoenaed that because remember, Congress
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Speaker 3: has the constitutional right of the oversight of the FB.
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Speaker 3: This document is not even classified. What is the first
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Speaker 3: thing that Director Ray said. He didn't even acknowledge whether
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Speaker 3: he had it. He said he wouldn't provide it. I
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Speaker 3: had a phone call with him, explained to him, if
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Speaker 3: he does not provide this, we will hold him in contempt.
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Speaker 3: Now he said, yes, we do have the document, but
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Speaker 3: he'll only show it to the chairman and ranking member.
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Speaker 3: That is not how the constitution works. Everybody on the
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Speaker 3: Committee of overfsite, Republican and Democrats, have a right to
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Speaker 3: see this unclassified document. If he doesn't come forth and
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Speaker 3: allow everyone to see it, we will move contempt charges
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Speaker 3: against him. On Thursday, Secretary Blincoln had the same problem
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Speaker 3: when he would not give the documents about what happened
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Speaker 3: in Afghanistan. He now realizes, yes, he should apply it
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Speaker 3: to everybody on the committee. Congress has the constitutional right
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Speaker 3: to oversee and to hold this government accountable. We are
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Speaker 3: loan the voice of the people, and we have a
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Speaker 3: right to see it and look. The FBI now says
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Speaker 3: there's an ongoing events instigation. I wonder why there was
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Speaker 3: an investigation before. They also said they need to protect
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Speaker 3: the individual. We understand that I see documents that way
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Speaker 3: all the time. Redact whatever you need to protect the individual,
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Speaker 3: but show us the document and everybody on oversight.
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Speaker 4: It is interesting, Speaker that there is an allegation about.
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Speaker 1: Kevin McCarthy, and the point he's making here is, Hey,
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Speaker 1: we are in fact going to hold them accountable. We're
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Speaker 1: not going to just allow them to get away with this.
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Speaker 1: We're not going to act like this isn't happening, and
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Speaker 1: we're going to make sure that they understand that they
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Speaker 1: work for us, and they work for the American people.
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Speaker 1: They work for us. Now, Democrats are also trying to
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Speaker 1: fight back. Democratic Representative Jamie Raskins, He's a Democrat from Maryland.
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Speaker 1: He spoke after reviewing the FBI Biden document, and he says,
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Speaker 1: you guys are crazy if you think this is a
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Speaker 1: big deal. In essence, take a listen.
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Speaker 5: I with the oversight majorities demand for us to see
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Speaker 5: this document. We saw the document, and the FBI team
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Speaker 5: actually went way beyond showing as the document to explain
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Speaker 5: the historical and prosecutorial legal context of the document. And
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Speaker 5: from that what I learned was that Attorney General Barr
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Speaker 5: named Scott Brady, who was the US Attorney for Western Pennsylvania,
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Speaker 5: to head up a group of prosecutors and FBI agents
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Speaker 5: who would look into all of the allegations related to Ukraine.
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Speaker 5: As Attorney General Bar himself put it, we have to
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Speaker 5: take everything coming from Ukraine with a grain of salt.
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Speaker 5: But after Rudy Giuliani surfaced these allegations, this group was
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Speaker 5: appointed and they looked into the the form ten twenty three.
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Speaker 5: And this group was created in June and spent the
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Speaker 5: summer on it, and as I understand it, in August
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Speaker 5: determined that there was no grounds to escalate from an
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Speaker 5: initial assessment to a preliminary investigation, and the standard for
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Speaker 5: moving from an assessment to a preliminary investigation. In FBI
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Speaker 5: prosecutorial protocol is whether there are articulable facts giving rise
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Speaker 5: to suspicion of criminal activity. So they apparently decided that
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Speaker 5: there was not, and they called an end to the investigation.
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Speaker 5: Now recalled that this is under Attorney General William Barr
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Speaker 5: and his handpicked prosecutor mister Brady, who was a Trump appointee.
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Speaker 5: They were the ones who decided that there was no grounds. Further,
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Speaker 5: based on what this confidential human source reported from a
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Speaker 5: conversation with another person, they decided there was no grounds
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Speaker 5: to escalate this up to the investigative prosecutorial chain. So
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Speaker 5: if there's a complaint, the complaint is with Attorney General
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Speaker 5: William Barr, the Trump Justice Department, and the team that
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Speaker 5: the Trump administration appointed to look into it.
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Speaker 1: By the way, this is where I have to stop
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Speaker 1: and I have to go back to and I want
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Speaker 1: you to hear how the Democrats are going to spend this,
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Speaker 1: because it's important you understand this. What they're saying is, well,
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Speaker 1: since Trump was president when this document was found, that
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Speaker 1: everything's fine. We know that when Trump was president. The
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Speaker 1: FBI director James Comer, James comey, excuse me, went to
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Speaker 1: the White House to entrap people around Donald Trump. They
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Speaker 1: went after and arrested people that work for Donald Trump.
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Speaker 1: They spied on Donald Trump. They had NSA wiretapping on
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Speaker 1: people around Donald Trump from his campaign. So the idea
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Speaker 1: that because the timeline fits when Trump was in power,
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Speaker 1: therefore nothing they got a chance to look at this.
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Speaker 1: These scumbags, the Peter Strucks, the lease of Pages that
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Speaker 1: were trying to overthrow the will the people and allowing
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Speaker 1: for a coup attempt were in charge. By the way,
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Speaker 1: when they were in peaching Donald Trump for crimes they
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Speaker 1: accused him of that they knew were inaccurate. They knew
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Speaker 1: they were created by Hillary Clinton. Lies that were created
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Speaker 1: by Hillary Clinton, lies that were created by the Democrat
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Speaker 1: natural creed. The same FBI set there and said, all right, yeah,
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Speaker 1: we don't like him. He's trying to get rid of
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Speaker 1: the deep state. We don't like he's challenging our powers. Fine,
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Speaker 1: Burnemouth's steak. We know everything they're using against him isn't real.
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Speaker 1: We've already looked at it, we've already classified it is
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Speaker 1: not being real. It's Burnham at the steak. That's what
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Speaker 1: they did. That's what they've done. Now, I also want
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Speaker 1: to deal with something else, and that is these recordings
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Speaker 1: and the FBI and this document and these whistleblowers. I
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Speaker 1: was able to have a long conversation with Senator Ted Cruz.
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Speaker 1: I co host a show with him, Verdict with Ted Cruz.
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Speaker 1: Many of you listened to it, and he went into
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Speaker 1: deep detail and also was able to question the FBI
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Speaker 1: about why the hell are they hiding all this information
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Speaker 1: from the American public. I want you to listen to
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Speaker 1: that conversation, Senator. This is one of the most shocking
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Speaker 1: stories to come out of Washington, DC in a while,
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Speaker 1: Senator Chuck Grassley revealing that a foreign national allegedly bribed
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Speaker 1: not Hunter Biden, but Joe Biden and has audio recordings
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Speaker 1: of it.
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Speaker 4: Yes, this is a big damn deal, and I'll tell
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Speaker 4: you today in the Capitol, I was arguing with reporters.
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Speaker 4: They were, of course obsessed. The only thing they wanted
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Speaker 4: to talk about was the in Trump indictment and to say,
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Speaker 4: isn't this horrible? Doesn't this show that he could never
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Speaker 4: possibly serve in any public office again? And I was
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Speaker 4: standing right outside the Senate floor arguing with the reporters saying,
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Speaker 4: why are none of you covering the bombshell allegations that
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Speaker 4: came out against the president of the United States. By
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Speaker 4: the way, Donald Trump is not currently the president of
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Speaker 4: the United States. No corporate reporter would acknowledge that there's
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Speaker 4: a guy named Joe Biden who is the president. And
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Speaker 4: last week we had number one a whistleblower come forward
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Speaker 4: and say that there was a confidential informant who told
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Speaker 4: the FBI that Joe Biden received a five million dollar
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Speaker 4: bribe personally from a senior executive in Bisma, the Ukrainian
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Speaker 4: natural gas company, in exchange for official conduct. That is
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Speaker 4: a massive bombshell. That is look we talked about in
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Speaker 4: Monday's podcast, and if you didn't listen to it, go
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Speaker 4: back and listen to it. We do a deep dive
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Speaker 4: into the Trump indictment. We talked about how the threshold
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Speaker 4: to indict a president should be incredib high. It shouldn't
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Speaker 4: be for tick a tak offenses. It shouldn't be for
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Speaker 4: one administration going after their predecessor because they hate them.
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Speaker 4: It should be instead, very very high. Let me tell
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Speaker 4: you what clears that threshold, real serious, credible evidence of
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Speaker 4: a President of the United States taking bribes from foreign nationals.
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Speaker 4: That clears the threshold by any measure. The Constitution provides
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Speaker 4: that impeachment show lie for bribery, treason, or other high
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Speaker 4: crimes and misdemeanors. So bribery is explicitly laid out in
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Speaker 4: the Constitution. And then two days ago Chuck Grassley on
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Speaker 4: the Senate floor made a stunning allegation. So Chuck Grassley
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Speaker 4: is the only Senator that I know of who has
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Speaker 4: read this FBI form documenting what the confidential informant said.
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Speaker 4: And when the FBI gave it to the House representatives,
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Speaker 4: they redacted it. They erased key elements, And of the
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Speaker 4: things they redacted was the allegation that there are seventeen
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Speaker 4: recordings demonstrating this primary this this bribery. Seventeen recordings, fifteen
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Speaker 4: of them with the Barisma official and Hunter Biden, and
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Speaker 4: two of them shockingly with the Bearisma official and Joe Biden.
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Speaker 4: Now I don't know if this is true, but if
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Speaker 4: it is true, this should lead the six o'clock news.
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Speaker 4: And I want you to listen to Chuck Grassley on
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Speaker 4: the Senate floor laying this out.
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Speaker 6: The ten twenty three produced to the House Committees redacted
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Speaker 6: reference that the four national who allegedly bribed Joe and
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Speaker 6: Hunter Biden allegedly has audio recordings of his conversation with
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Speaker 6: them seventeen such recordings. According to the ten twenty three,
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Speaker 6: the foreign national possesses fifteen audio recordings of phone calls
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Speaker 6: between him and Hunter Biden. According to the ten twenty three,
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Speaker 6: the foreign national possesses two audio recordings of phone calls
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Speaker 6: between him and then Vice President Joe Biden. These recordings
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Speaker 6: were allegedly kept as a sort of insurance policy for
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Speaker 6: the foreign national in case that he got into a
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Speaker 6: tight spot. The ten twenty three also indicates that then
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Speaker 6: Vice President Joe Biden may have been involved in brusman
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Speaker 6: employing Hunter Biden.
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Speaker 1: Senator, you hear that, and this is tradecraft for these
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Speaker 1: Ola garks and corrupt people, right. They want to blackmail
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Speaker 1: you and they want to have something on you. Whether
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Speaker 1: you're an Ola gark, a shady businessman, whether you're in
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Speaker 1: Russia or China, Venezuela or Ukraine. You want an insurance
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Speaker 1: policy that if someone comes after you, you've got leverage.
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Speaker 1: Something that Jeffrey Epstein apparently did incredibly well is another
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Speaker 1: example of this type of leverage aka trade craft. And
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Speaker 1: that's what Chuck Grassley is saying here.
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Speaker 4: Yes, look, there's a whole lot of substance to unpack
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Speaker 4: from that statement on the Senate floor on Monday. Number one.
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Speaker 4: Chuck Grassley, to the best of my knowledge, is the
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Speaker 4: only Senator who's read the FBI formed ten twenty three.
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Speaker 4: If there's another senator, he or she has not stated
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Speaker 4: that publicly. I have not read it. They will not
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Speaker 4: give it to me.
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Speaker 1: What is the reasoning behind that? Why can you not
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Speaker 1: see it? But Chuck Krassey cares so people understand the rules.
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Speaker 4: So let me let me delay that. We will get
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Speaker 4: to that, but let me delay that for a second.
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Speaker 4: The House of Representatives heard about the ten twenty three.
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Speaker 4: They wanted to see the ten twenty three, and so
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Speaker 4: James Combers, the head of the Oversight Committee, issued a subpoena,
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Speaker 4: got the votes, he had a majority in the House.
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Speaker 4: He got issued a subpoena give us the ten twenty three.
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Speaker 4: The FBI stonewall. They said, no, we won't give you
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Speaker 4: the ten twenty three. The House was on the verge
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Speaker 4: of holding Chris Ray, the director of the FBI, in contempt.
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Speaker 4: Chris Ray blinked and said, okay, we'll give you the
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Speaker 4: ten twenty three, but we'll show it to you in private.
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Speaker 4: Initially he just showed it to James Comer and Raskin,
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Speaker 4: the chairman and ranking member of the Oversight Committee, said
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Speaker 4: no one else can see it. Comber came out of
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Speaker 4: that and said the American people need to see this.
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Speaker 4: Chris Ray blinked again and said, okay, the entire committee
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Speaker 4: can see this. But what they saw was a redacted copy.
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Speaker 4: So the FBI, this is not a classified document. But
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Speaker 4: the FBI took and blacked out portions of the report
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Speaker 4: and said, you can't see the things we're redacting. One
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Speaker 4: of the things they redacted was the allegation that there
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Speaker 4: are seventeen tape recordings. So the House didn't see that. Wow,
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Speaker 4: now I got to ask you a question, Why the
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Speaker 4: hell is the FBI hiding the possible existence of evidence,
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Speaker 4: stone cold evidence of bribery against Joe Biden. Why did
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Speaker 4: they redact out the allegation that there're seventeen tape recordings.
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Speaker 4: That is an incredibly good question. And so Grassley was
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Speaker 4: in a unique situation where he had seen this. He
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Speaker 4: had a whistleblower. He saw this and he knew what
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Speaker 4: was in it. And I'll tell you it is not
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Speaker 4: an accident that Chuck Grassley did this on the Senate floor.
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Speaker 4: He didn't go on Fox News, he didn't go on
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Speaker 4: a TV interview. Why because look, he reviewed this ten
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Speaker 4: twenty three in a restricted circumstance. There may well be
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Speaker 4: people who argue reason why the FBI is trying to
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Speaker 4: put all these restrictions on it. It's not classified, mind you,
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Speaker 4: so all the laws concerning classified information don't apply. But
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Speaker 4: the FBI is still trying to put restrictions on it
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Speaker 4: because they don't want anyone to know. And so the
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Speaker 4: reason I believe Chuck, who's a good friend, I've served
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Speaker 4: with him eleven years, Chuck went to the Senate floor
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Speaker 4: as the Constitution gives an immunity from any liability for
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Speaker 4: anything said in speech and debate for a senator or representative,
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Speaker 4: and so saying it on the Senate floor, I think
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Speaker 4: Chuck Grassley did that a for attention, but b for
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Speaker 4: legal protection, because these guys are so vicious and politicized
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Speaker 4: that there's a chance they could try to go after
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Speaker 4: him for daring to repeat the truth.
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Speaker 1: So saying it in the hall, he could be held
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Speaker 1: he could get in trouble with this, this rogue doo J.
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Speaker 1: If he's set in the hall walking.
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Speaker 4: Potentially DOJ would lose, but there would be potentially more
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Speaker 4: exposure by doing it in the Senate floor. It is
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Speaker 4: unquestionably covered in the speech and debate privilege of the Constitution,
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Speaker 4: which gave him a greater ability to say I know
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Speaker 4: this to be true. And to be clear, what does
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Speaker 4: Grassley know? He doesn't know that there are seventeen recordings
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Speaker 4: there might not be. What he knows is that a
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Speaker 4: confidential informant who the FBI had relied on previously investigations
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Speaker 4: made an allegation that there are seventeen recordings fifteen of
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Speaker 4: Hunter Biden and a corrupt Barisma official, two of Joe
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Speaker 4: Biden and a corrupt Barisma official, all concerning bribing Joe
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Speaker 4: Biden personally. And so Chuck Grassley read that in the
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Speaker 4: FBI Form ten twenty three, and he said it on
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Speaker 4: the on the Senate floor. And I want to ask you,
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Speaker 4: look across the country, there are hundreds of thousands, if
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Speaker 4: not millions, of listeners to this podcast today. I want
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Speaker 4: you to ask yourself something, did you see on the
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Speaker 4: news last night Chuck Grassley's allegation that there are tape
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Speaker 4: recordings of Joe Biden taking a five million dollar bribe?
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Speaker 4: Did you see it in the newspaper? Was it the
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Speaker 4: headline today? Think about what city you live, in your
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Speaker 4: local newspaper, what was the headline on the front page.
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Speaker 4: Was it tape recordings of evidence that the President Joe
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Speaker 4: Biden took bribes from Ukrainian corrupt official. Was that the headline?
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Speaker 4: And you know what, I'm willing to bet every single
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Speaker 4: listener of Verdict the answer is no, that wasn't your headline.
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Speaker 4: That wasn't on the news. The press won't cover this.
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Speaker 4: And I got to say even worse than that, the
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Speaker 4: FBI is stonewalling and covering the sup.
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Speaker 1: I wanted you to hear that because it's so important
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Speaker 1: can hear want to sellout Mike Pences in his you know,
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Speaker 1: I'm announced I'm running for president. Then I'm gonna run
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Speaker 1: to see them to do a town hall. I want
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Speaker 1: you to hear the back and forth here when Mike
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Speaker 1: Pennce is talking about no one's above the law. Yes,
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Speaker 1: obviously he's implying that would be Donald tr Trump. They
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Speaker 1: did this in Des Moines, Iowa. What's your reaction to
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Speaker 1: news Trump is a target and a federal investigation to
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Speaker 1: classify documents. Listen carefully.
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Speaker 7: Well, let me say the handling of classified materials is
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Speaker 7: a very serious matter, and that was why after the
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Speaker 7: revelations at the President's residence and the revelations at the
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Speaker 7: former president's residence, I took it upon myself to review
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Speaker 7: our files and we uncovered a small number of documents
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Speaker 7: that have been inadvertently transferred to our residence in Indiana.
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Speaker 7: I immediately informed the Department of Justice, and I'm grateful
21:44
Speaker 7: after our full cooperation that they concluded that it was
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Speaker 7: an innocent mistake.
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Speaker 2: Do you see his cases different?
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Speaker 7: But let me say this. Look, I don't know the
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Speaker 7: facts of the president's case. I don't know the facts
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Speaker 7: of the former president's case. And but what we've got
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Speaker 7: to have in this country is equal treatment under the law.
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Speaker 7: And Dana, you may not know that. I mean, I
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Speaker 7: was very troubled last summer when when, for the first
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Speaker 7: time in history, there was a search warrant executed at
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Speaker 7: the home of a former president of the United States.
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Speaker 7: Surely you know all the years I served on the
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Speaker 7: Judiciary Committee, that's when you and I first met. There
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Speaker 7: had to be dozens of ways I could have been
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Speaker 7: handled other than that kind of behavior. I mean, when
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Speaker 7: I informed the Department of Justice that we had classified
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Speaker 7: materials potentially in our home, they were at my home.
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Speaker 7: The FBI was on my front doorstep the next day.
22:42
Speaker 7: What we found out was that when Joe Biden apparently
22:44
Speaker 7: alerted the Department of Justice eighty days later, they showed
22:48
Speaker 7: up at his office. That's not equal treatment under the law.
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Speaker 2: We got it in. But the question is allegation that
22:58
Speaker 2: investigation into astruction, which you clearly did not do. If
23:02
Speaker 2: that is something that investigators see as possible, even enough
23:08
Speaker 2: potentially to indict the former president. Do you think that
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Speaker 2: that should go forward?
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Speaker 7: Well, I would hope not, I really would, Dan. I mean,
23:22
Speaker 7: there's several reasons for that. Number one is I think
23:25
Speaker 7: it would be terribly divisive to the country. I mean,
23:28
Speaker 7: at a time when the American people are hurting. I
23:31
Speaker 7: mean to tell you, families are struggling right now with
23:34
Speaker 7: record inflation. We have a crisis at our boarder the
23:37
Speaker 7: likes of which we've never seen. We have a flood
23:39
Speaker 7: of fentanyl coming into every city large and small in
23:42
Speaker 7: this country that's killing young people every day. We have
23:45
Speaker 7: threats abroad, crime wave in our cities. I think now
23:50
Speaker 7: more than ever, we ought to be fine in ways
23:51
Speaker 7: we could actually come together. This kind of this kind
23:54
Speaker 7: of action by the Department of Justice, I think would
23:56
Speaker 7: only fuel further division in the country. And let me
24:00
Speaker 7: also say, I think it would also send a terrible
24:03
Speaker 7: message to the wider world. I mean, we're the emblem
24:09
Speaker 7: of democracy, we're the symbol of justice in the world.
24:11
Speaker 7: And the serious matter which has already happened once in
24:15
Speaker 7: New York, I'm indicting a former president in the United
24:19
Speaker 7: States says a terrible message to the world. I hope
24:22
Speaker 7: the DOJ thinks better of it and resolves these issues
24:25
Speaker 7: without an induicty, Sir, I.
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Speaker 2: Just want to clarify what you're saying is that if
24:28
Speaker 2: they believe he committed a crime, they should not go
24:32
Speaker 2: forward with an indictment. Do you just talk before about
24:35
Speaker 2: committing to the rule of law.
24:37
Speaker 7: Let me be clear that no one's above the law, okay,
24:41
Speaker 7: but with regard to the unique circumstances here, look those
24:48
Speaker 7: classify I had no business having classified documents in my
24:51
Speaker 7: residence and I took full responsibility for it. President Biden
24:55
Speaker 7: had no business having him in his residence from when
24:58
Speaker 7: he was vice president as well, and the same with
25:01
Speaker 7: former President Trump. But I would just hope that there
25:06
Speaker 7: would be a way for them to move forward without
25:09
Speaker 7: the dramatic and drastic and divisive step of indicting a
25:12
Speaker 7: former president of the United States. We've got to find
25:15
Speaker 7: a way to move our country forward and restore confidence
25:19
Speaker 7: in equal treatment under the law in this country. We
25:22
Speaker 7: really do, sir.
25:24
Speaker 2: If Donald Trump, if Donald Trump is convicted of a
25:29
Speaker 2: crime and you're elected president, would you pardon him?
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Speaker 7: Well, I don't want to speak about hypotheticals. I'm not
25:38
Speaker 7: sure I'm going to be elected president of the United States,
25:44
Speaker 7: but I believe we have a fighting chance. I really
25:47
Speaker 7: believe we do. And if you are, and I would
25:49
Speaker 7: hope again, Dan, you're as persistent as ever, see living
25:57
Speaker 7: up to its reputation. If there are real issues the
26:00
Speaker 7: American people are facing, and rather than talking about that,
26:04
Speaker 7: I want to talk about what the people here in
26:05
Speaker 7: Iowa are talking about, which is the failed policies dividing.
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Speaker 1: I think he missed a golden opportunity there to say absolutely, hell, yes,
26:15
Speaker 1: I would. I would pardon him because this is bad
26:18
Speaker 1: for the country. I think he could have done that
26:21
Speaker 1: and changed the narrative very quickly. But you saw how
26:25
Speaker 1: he's breathing heavy and well listen, well it's complicated. Well
26:29
Speaker 1: I don't want to I don't know all the facts,
26:31
Speaker 1: and I don't know if you know enough, and you
26:35
Speaker 1: know enough to know that this is clearly political in nature.
26:38
Speaker 1: You were around the President of the United States of
26:40
Speaker 1: America when they were trying to take him out under
26:43
Speaker 1: two impeachments that you knew were crap, And this is
26:47
Speaker 1: what you've got. This, this is your response that you have.
26:50
Speaker 1: It's pretty embarrassing. Now you may disagree, and I want
26:54
Speaker 1: to get your phone calls fied three five nine seven
26:57
Speaker 1: three to two. And I understand part of this, I
27:02
Speaker 1: really do. I understand. Part of the aspect of this
27:06
Speaker 1: is you're running against him for president, so you don't
27:09
Speaker 1: want to look like you're backing him. But there's certain
27:12
Speaker 1: issues that are just for me as simple as right
27:14
Speaker 1: and wrong. This is that example. This is not a
27:18
Speaker 1: trick question. This should not be a trick question. Okay,
27:22
Speaker 1: this is a pretty simple question. It's not a fake question,
27:29
Speaker 1: it's not a it's not a BS question.
27:34
Speaker 5: Like.
27:34
Speaker 1: This is a real question, and it's one that should
27:38
Speaker 1: be able to be answered by him, especially because he
27:41
Speaker 1: was there when he was being targeted. He could have
27:43
Speaker 1: gone there, he could have talked about that, he could
27:46
Speaker 1: have made it clear. He deliberately chose not to. And
27:49
Speaker 1: the question has to be this, why why did he
27:54
Speaker 1: choose not to go there? Because I think he's a
27:56
Speaker 1: partisan hack now, and I think that's part of the
27:59
Speaker 1: bigger problem. Five three five nine seven three two. I
28:03
Speaker 1: also think this is a really bad look for him,
28:06
Speaker 1: especially when you're kicking off your presidential campaign. That this
28:10
Speaker 1: is how you answer a question. You know, I'm fine
28:14
Speaker 1: with you running against Donald Trump, that's your right. But
28:19
Speaker 1: when you see what people have done, and you see
28:22
Speaker 1: how people have reacted, and you see what people have said,
28:25
Speaker 1: and you see what people have advocated for in these
28:32
Speaker 1: scenarios against your former running mate and former member of
28:37
Speaker 1: you know, the executive branch, you should do better than this,
28:42
Speaker 1: like this was a this was a this was a
28:44
Speaker 1: weak response from Mike Pence