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Top Rank and IBF's dealings; Fundora-Thurman and Itauma on the horizon · Boxing B-Sides

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The B -Side in boxing. B -Side shit. B -Side.
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we go. Boxing B -Sides. Holy shit, the timer
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is running. Boys, Saul, Josh, how are we doing?
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I'm glad to be back after two weeks. Long two
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weeks. A lot of news. Oh yeah. A lot of news
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in a long time. A lot of fun news. A lot of great
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news, a lot of fun news, a lot of sad news. The
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good, the bad, and the ugly of boxing. We're
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going to get into it right now on the Boxing
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B -Sides. That's how we do it. Just a little
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bit of fun stuff. Fun and sad up top. First,
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we've been keeping up with Punch. With a name
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like Punch, how could we not? Punch, Punchy -kun,
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as they call him in Japan, he has a girlfriend.
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Are you fucking kidding me? Punch has a girlfriend
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before I do. Are you? I'm getting fucking outworked
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by a monkey. This is ridiculous. Have you guys
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seen him? Yeah, he has a girlfriend. Punch girlfriend
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before Virgil Bell. Don't you fucking say that.
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All right. Saul's going to leave this call immediately.
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It's just gone. I have to point out that Punch,
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his girlfriend, She has a lighter shade of fur
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that kind of matches his little stuffy. Oh, my
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God. The Freud. Yes. Yes. Freudian. It's straight
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Freudian. Oh, my God. Yeah. Boys want to bang
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women that resemble their mother. It's difficult
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to argue here. Yeah. All of this proven before...
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Freudian confirmation before Virgil title. Oh,
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my God. What a beautiful day. Isaac is... Isaac's
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the one fuming in our comments, actually. He's
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the one raging. He's the one raging. Okay, it's
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okay. Isaac, I'm with you. Virgil, bro, it's
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your life. Yeah, I was going to say, like, which
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of you is the bigger Virgil, bro? If you had
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to pick. It depends on the day, honestly. Saul
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can take the joke, though. Isaac, if you start
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making fun of Virgil in front of Isaac, he'll
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just bring out food. He starts stress eating,
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and then, like, it's... Then he distracts with,
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like, hey, have you ever tried, uh... Bread and
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butter pickle chips? Sometimes it works, sometimes
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it doesn't. Yeah. Yeah. We love you, Isaac. We
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all love you here. Yeah, of course. No, yeah.
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He's our fellow Lux Media familia. Yes. He's
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starting to become disenfranchised from all this
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Virgil hate. Yeah, I did bring up a... XYZ before
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Virgil title, and he was like, oh, man, I can't
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even escape it over here on the MMA show. Yeah,
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well, it do be like that. Man, speaking of it
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do be like that, Chuck Norris dies at the age
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of, I believe, 87. 86 or 87. Man, for... I just
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wanted to bring him up because he was like, for
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me anyway, growing up he was like the martial
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arts hero. Bruce Lee had already passed on, so
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it was Chuck Norris for me. What's the song with
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the ultimate showdown that had the lyrics? That's
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the one I remember. Was it Chuck Norris versus
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Bruce Lee? No, it was like this. This, like,
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Lemon Demon song. The boogeyman checks under
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their bed for Chuck Norris. Yeah, those are the
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memes I saw when I was a kid, but I also saw
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there's, like, the... Like, uh... Hold on. The
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Gandalf the Gray and Gandalf the White. And Monty
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Python on the Holy Grails. Black Knight. And
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Benito Mussolini and the Blue Meanie. Like, the...
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It's a whole song. It's a whole song from Lemon
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Demon, but... Let me find it and share it. Oh,
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I know him from Walker, Texas Ranger. Yeah. I
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used to, like, when I first got cable as a kid,
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that was one of the shows that I used to watch.
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I watched the Delta Force movies, where he would
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have, like, be double -wielding, like, Uzis.
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It was fucking ridiculous. But, yeah, well, Chuck
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Norris is the man. Yeah, well, he definitely
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became friends with Chuck Norris just to get
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him to come to the other side. One thing, he
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got the... There have been... It hasn't hit triple
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digits yet. It's typically reserved for, like,
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Make -A -Wish kids, but the title of Honorary
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Marine, Chuck Norris got that one, like, at the
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height of Chuck Norris jokes in, like, 2006,
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2007. I was in actually the the commandant of
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the Marine Corps that conferred the title was
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the one that was in charge when I joined. So
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Chuck Norris was like, I don't want to say like
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a demigod, but he was like a patron saint, if
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that makes sense. Like you just confer. toughness
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like or like you bless yourself with toughness
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from Chuck Norris knighted by the toughness yeah
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exactly like my like when you're doing martial
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arts training and you're like beating the shit
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out of each other like ah like you can't hurt
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me I'm like I'm fucking Chuck Norris like you
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can't can't hurt me and it doesn't really help
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that much but it was still fun to do when I was
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in so What were you guys' favorite Chuck Norris
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jokes? Chuck Norris doesn't have a chin under
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his beard. He has another fist. Hold on, I gotta
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look up Chuck Norris jokes. Yeah, that was one
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of my favorites. Chuck Norris doesn't do push
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-ups. He pushes the ground down. I like that
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one. That one's a good one. When he does push
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-ups. I got one, I got one. Chuck Norris doesn't
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wear a watch. He decides what time it is. Yeah,
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that's good. The quickest way to a man's heart
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is with Chuck Norris' fist. Yeah, makes perfect
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sense. Chuck Norris spices up his steaks with
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pepper spray. Sergio Mora on the... We'll talk
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about it next time. The Adamas ammo cart. Like,
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they were swapping Chuck Norris jokes. Yeah.
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Only good commentary that night. Yeah. Well,
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I don't know. Like, I would have liked some Praying
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Mantis husbandry. Yeah. With my Chuck Norris
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jokes. We gotta add that as a soundbite in this.
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in this podcast did the male prying mantis eat
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the female prying mantis after mating I used
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to tend black widows and I would it was my then
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like my then live -in girlfriend She, like, she
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would not let me capture one and bring it inside,
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like, in a container. So what I would do was
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I would kill all of them except for one and then
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just take care of that one. And, like, yeah,
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seeing, like, the little tiny male black widows
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crawl up into the, and you just look, for me,
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like, looking at it, like. Buddy, you have no
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idea what's coming, do you? He's about to get
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fucked to death. Exactly. That's exactly what's
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about to happen to him. But enough husbandry
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of fucking... Die what you do when you live.
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You live by the sword, you die by the sword.
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Little bit of MMA talk before we get to the boxing
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news. Just a review. March 13th. One fight night
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41. It was a solid card. A lot of good stoppages.
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The one that I wanted to point out was the main
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event. George Jarvis gets the UD over Sin Samut.
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It was a lightweight Muay Thai fight. And holy
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shit. Like these fellas just completely forgot
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that they can throw kicks or elbows. Or knees,
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for that matter. They were just punching the
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ever -loving shit out of each other. And I think
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it was towards the end of the second round, I
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was in chat with other people that were watching,
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and George Jarvis threw a low kick to Sensamut's
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calf kick, right? And I immediately reacted with,
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I forgot they can kick. I forgot they're allowed
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to kick. That is how. This is like the. Perfect.
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Boxing fan friendly. Fight. Muay Thai is already.
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Boxing fan friendly. This one. Fucking peach.
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It was so good. Coming up. On March 28th. UFC
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Seattle. The. Undercard is kind of meh. But the
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main event, Israel Adesanya, he is ranked 6th
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at middleweight in the UFC. He started his fighting
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career as a kickboxer. Homeboy does not grapple.
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Joe Pfeiffer, his opponent, is 14th at middleweight.
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He's like a fucking juggernaut. And he does not
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grapple. So this is probably, I think the Leo
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curse is starting to take shape. I promise you
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like a striker friendly event. And it just does
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not turn out that way. But I genuinely think
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this Adesanya versus Pfeiffer should be a good
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time. All right. Enough MMA shit. let's get into
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the news uh we're not going to be talking about
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this event this time but it's important to bring
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up isis co has come out of the medically induced
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coma by all reports she's responsive like she's
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off ventilator she's talking she's eating all
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signs point to good right But I wanted to bring
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this up. And I was talking, like Saul, you and
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I were talking about this before we started the
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show. It's important to remember that these people
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that are beating the ever -loving shit out of
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each other, that they do it for our entertainment,
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they are absolutely risking their lives. I have
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seen... no less like i've seen three i i think
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i can count three on my on just off the top of
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my head of fighters that i have been that i have
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watched get beaten to death they don't necessarily
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die in the ring but they die later and yes it's
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a sport yes it's entertainment but like we we
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have to give these people some sort of baseline
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respect for doing this. Yeah. I gotta say that
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every time a boxer goes out, like I said earlier,
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every time a boxer even steps in the ring, we
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gotta give them the minimum amount of respect
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that they deserve, you know? They're giving their
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life out to this, like we said, for our entertainment,
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you know? And at the end of the day, they might
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not be the best competition. Sometimes we even
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call them bums. But at the end of the day, this
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so -called... I'm not calling this girl bum,
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but I'm just saying the people we call bum sometimes,
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they're putting everything on the line. They
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have families. They're a champion to someone.
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They have families. They have friends that they're
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supportive. They mean the world to somebody.
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Exactly. They're someone's little boy, someone's
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little girl, you know? At the end of the day,
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they're giving their all in the ring, and they
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deserve respect from anybody that's a boxing
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fan. Yeah, any viewer should always hold some
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respect for these people. Yeah, and again, we
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throw that word around bum lightly. I know what
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over here we kind of say as a joke, but at the
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end of the day, we need to reiterate that every
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boxer that steps in the ring is a champion at
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the heart. Right. So respect to anybody that
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steps in the ring. And Isis' CEO, she's 19. You
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know what I mean? She's young, yeah. And Jocelyn
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Camarillo that sent her to the hospital is 21.
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So it's not like Isis was this old woman that
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should not necessarily have been in the ring
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or something. These are young, healthy women.
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And this shit still happens. So it's just keep
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in mind whenever you want to like shit on someone,
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just remember that like we sit in the observer
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seat and we take none of the risk. But as happy
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as we are for ISIS to be in better health, let's
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get into some other news. TopRank signs a multi
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-year. non -exclusive deal with The Zone. The
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release details are $5 million per year, and
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I've seen conflicting reports somewhere between
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8 to 12 shows per year. What are we thinking?
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To me, this is a great move. This is a good move.
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It's very much like basically an anti -Zufa move.
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I think you're right. I mean, they had nowhere
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else to go. I mean, they're saying that they're
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going to try to negotiate with other networks.
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They're trying to, but it's clear that other
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places don't want to invest in boxing right now.
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Especially top rank. Considering their ego, not
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ego, but their history and all the legends that
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they've produced. I mean, it's going to be a
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valuable asset to be with the zone. It's mainly
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the fight library. The prestige that comes with
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Top Rank and, like, their story and history.
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Exactly. They own the rights to a very expansive
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library, too, that can now go in DAZN of classic
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fights. Muhammad Ali fights with freaking George
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Foreman, Sherry Leonard, Floyd Mayweather. I
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mean, come on. They have a very large fight catalog
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that can now go on DAZN. DAZN. Archive. Yeah,
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like, Home of Fights, look at our Classic Fight
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Archive. Like, that's already, that's better
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value. That's arguably, like, you're getting
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more value out of that than, like, the top -ranked
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deal, just their collection. Well, top -ranked,
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too. The thing is, not just that, you also get
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some of the best and brightest coming up right
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now. You have opponents for guys, too. I think
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that, too. I mean, right now, all... Pretty much
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the majority of American boxing is under DAZN
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right now. And I don't want to say that DAZN
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is 100 % worth it, but it does make it easier
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to pay for it now, considering that Top Rank's
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on there, versus paying $10 for ESPN and then
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paying some amount of money for DAZN. Now you
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have Top Rank with DAZN, and it's pretty much
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all under one umbrella. Yeah, it's a one -stop
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shop. Yeah, exactly. The only other promotional
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company out there is going to be PBC. I don't
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even want to get into it right now, but they
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have the opposite of Top Rank, where they have
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a lot of high -level fighters. They're older,
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but they have little to no young up -and -comers.
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No one to develop. They already have developed
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guys. No one to develop. Versus Top Rank, they
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already have a bunch of fighters that can develop,
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but... Their top talent is very barren right
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now. Well, that's Xander. I can count on my hands
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the number of guys they got that's top talent
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that they can promote good. They can probably
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promote, you know. But back to what we were saying,
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top -ranked being added to the zone, very good
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move. And I'm excited to see what's going to
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be happening in the future. Josh, you got anything?
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No, it's mainly just I agree fully with that.
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And it's the fight library that you get so much
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value out of. Especially like $5 million a year
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for that fight library. Yeah, and plus you're
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getting 8 to 12 live boxing events. Yeah, like
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you're getting shows out of it. You would now
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have a healthy supply of opponents for the bigger
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promotions. Oh, you could put a straight up DAZN
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boxing. channel on tubi and you've got we'll
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talk about it in a second but like we've got
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matchroom queensberry top rank golden boy like
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you've have ranks the distributor for eye of
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the tiger stuff too so i'm assuming yeah some
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of the cards are going to be those uh canadian
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eye of the tiger cards could be also some of
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those japanese cards as well true yeah well from
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what i've heard uh like word on the street is
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that the Inoue and Nakatani deals both expired.
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So we'll see if they renew them. I haven't heard
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anything so far, but I'm keeping my ear to the
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ground and we'll see what comes up with that.
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Another interesting turn of events, Top Rank
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and Matchroom, they signed an explicit partnership
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deal, a multi -year deal. And when I was talking
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to Shanada about this, we landed on this being
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more of like signaling, right? Just a sign to
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the people, specifically to our fighters, top
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rank and matchroom, that you're not stuck in
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a silo. You're not stuck in the TR or MR silo.
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You will at the very least get fights. with each
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other so um yeah to me it's a it's a good signal
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but i'm not entirely sure what to make of this
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deal beyond that unless you guys got something
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real quick i do want to ask because i know you
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keep pushing the point of i know it's not related
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to this but you keep saying it's five million
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dollars a year that's is that five million dollars
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a year for the uh in total or is that five million
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per show $5 million for the whole year. I think
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with ESPN, they were getting, what, $80 million?
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$80? I don't know what it was exactly. I don't
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know if it was either $80 million or some outrageous
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number. It's probably better than $5. I mean,
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of course, but... Yeah. I don't know about $80.
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Oh, yeah. When they first signed it, they had
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Manny Pacquiao. They had Terrence Crawford. Yeah.
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Yeah. So that it's a little and Lobachenko as
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well. Yeah. But yeah, this is definitely a lot
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smaller, but like the stable is also considerably
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smaller. So it was an eight year, $85 million
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per year deal. 85 mil a year. 85 million per
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year, yeah. Fall from grace. Wow. But, you know,
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either way, what you're saying with the collaboration
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with Matchroom and Top Ring, that's a very good
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thing, because you know what? Like what you said,
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they're not confined to just Matchroom or just
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Top Ring. They don't really have the excuse of
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having to cross the street anymore, you know?
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Yeah. And at the same time, since it's non -exclusive,
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they could also send their fighters to the PVC
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shows, you know, just to get more activity. Or
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even Pro Box, you know? I am sure that the non
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-exclusive deal is for what you're mentioning.
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Like, the higher -end guys, the few higher -end
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guys that they do have... They want to send them
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off to fight the other high -end guys in their
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divisions, like Xander versus Fundora, just for
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example. So that, to me, is one of the non -exclusive
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things. Like maybe they just want to make that
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a PBC pay -per -view that Top Rank gets a cut
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out of. Or if they want to put on their own pay
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-per -views, they're able to shop whatever network
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they want. to put on these shows that... Emiliano
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Vargas, that $5 million a year, that's going
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to cover guys like him. But a unified champion
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like Xander Zayas, he's going to command a little
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bit more of a premium. Not for long. Not for
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long. We will get to that in a moment. So...
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Top Rank Matchroom. Golden Boy re -signs a multi
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-year deal with DAZN. I haven't heard any specifics
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about this yet, like what their yearly budget
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is or how many shows that they're obligated to
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put on. But, like we've been talking about, this
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is establishing DAZN as the one -stop shop for...
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American boxing and British boxing in America.
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What do you guys think? What are we thinking
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with Golden Boy re -signing? They don't really
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have anywhere else to go, right? Well, it was
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better than fucking Swerve TV. I'll tell you
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that or not. They were given a life raft to be
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given back to The Zone. The Zone honestly shouldn't
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even... I'm losing my freaking words right here.
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They shouldn't have even been put back on The
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Zone. I mean, they lack... Star power. I mean,
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unless Ryan is going to truly resign, that's
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the golden ticket right there. I doubt Ryan resigns.
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And Virgil has already made it really clear he
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wants to leave. He made it clear, but he deleted
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those posts really quick. I don't know if you
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saw that, but he deleted those posts talking
25:15
about how he doesn't want to work at Oscar anymore.
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I can't find that. Maybe on Twitter, but on Instagram
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when he posted it as well, he took that out.
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I think it's for the sake of arbitration. They
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wanted to try to cover their tracks a little
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bit. Just my speculation. Maybe. But by the way,
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Oscar at the end of the day, he still has good
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regional power within the Southwest. Yes, Southern
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California especially. Yes, especially Southern
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California. But you know what, though? I mean,
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we'll talk about it a little later, but we're
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talking about Barboza, right? Yes, we will be.
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Yeah, okay. So, I'll talk more on there, but
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their shows are lacking star power. They can
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put on maybe one. They haven't put on a Virgil
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Ortiz show in a while. They haven't put on a
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Ryan Garcia show. They can't consistently put
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it on. You know, they need to have more top -level
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guys fighting. They don't have the ops for their
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top -level guys. And once they're in a loophole,
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if he loses. If he loses, that's another champion
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they don't have. They lose guys with star power.
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Eventually, they're going to run out. Something
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that I heard, I don't know if this is true or
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not, is the Zerto -Benevitas fight. I had heard
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that it was going to be Zerto promotions, not
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Golden Boy. I don't know how true this is. I'm
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just throwing it out there. It is going to be
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on DAZN as well. It is. As Prime. But it might
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be its own sort of promotion as well, but I don't
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know. It might just be like how they have Ryan
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Garcia promotions or Devin Haney promotions type
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of thing. Oh, just, yeah, like in cooperation
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or whatever. Yeah. Yeah. But, I mean, either
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way, they got given a life rap. even lucky to
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be on a big platform like the zone right now,
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potentially because of what happened with Virgil.
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Hmm. I mean, they won, but they got saved by
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also Ryan becoming champion. Again, if Ryan lost
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again, oh, Lord, they would have completely been
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done. I mean, imagine only having guys like Arnold
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Barboza, you know? I would think that this re
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-signing, if anybody should be signing partnership
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deals, it should be Golden Boy. Because they
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have a good, as you had laid it out, Golden Boy
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has a really good lower tier stable. Guys that
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you want to get into fights with. higher profile
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not necessarily like higher caliber but higher
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profile guys or at least on higher profile promotions
28:24
like top rank or match room or even queensberry
28:27
golden boy is like seriously lacking at the top
28:31
level i to be honest with you i don't consider
28:34
ryan or virgil to be i think those guys are running
28:39
out their contracts as quickly as they can yes
28:44
My thing with that is Golden Boy, the multi -year
28:49
deal lasts until what, 2031, right? I haven't
28:54
heard the specifics, so I couldn't say. Either
28:58
way, either way. I agree with you, they might
29:00
leave. They might leave, they might not. I don't
29:03
know. They're probably still cozying up to Oscar
29:05
just for now, just to get him the good fights.
29:08
But at the end of the day, I just, I generally
29:10
don't see. How? Austin's got to kiss his ass
29:16
right now. He's got to kiss the prince's ass
29:20
because they saved him. And I think, honestly,
29:27
when we're talking about the top rank, with Golden
29:31
Boy, top rank in Matchroom as well as Queensbury,
29:34
they don't even need the ring anymore. They don't
29:37
need Saudi Arabian influence via Turkey. to put
29:42
on good shows. I mean, for the last couple of
29:45
months, they've been putting on some banger,
29:46
banger cards. They have some banker cards coming
29:49
up that are not ring affiliated. Exactly. And
29:53
it seems like, and it's starting to seem like
29:55
Turkey's going to start becoming a little less
29:58
involved because like, like they have what ring,
30:01
uh, they had their current card and then they
30:04
had the Ryan Garcia card. What are the cards
30:07
that got planned with ring? You know, I haven't
30:09
heard anything. For May, for June. It seems like
30:15
Ring is putting their eggs into the Zufa basket.
30:18
The TKO Holdings basket, shall we say. That's
30:22
what it seems like to me. It's pretty fucking
30:25
funny because I think all the motion companies
30:27
started waking up and realizing, hey, this guy's
30:30
taking our fucking lunch money. We got to fight
30:32
back. There's a new bully in school. You know,
30:36
we got to gang up and get the gang. We got to
30:39
get together. And we got to fight the big bully.
30:42
You know what? Yeah, PBC in the corner collecting
30:45
bugs. I was about to say, 10 years ago, PBC was
30:52
that bully that was, oh shit, we got to really
30:56
like circle the wagons and protect each other,
31:00
protect ourselves from the new big boy on the
31:05
block. Because PBC walked in with like, It was
31:10
like somewhere between 500 and 600 million dollars
31:13
in capital. And they were signing up a bunch
31:18
of fighters. Then fucking Matchroom USA tried
31:22
to do the same thing. But like that died down
31:26
a lot quicker. But PVC like still remains as
31:29
like an obelisk standing off to the side. That
31:35
I hope this... non -exclusive deal i think golden
31:40
boy has the same thing non -exclusive i'm hopeful
31:43
that this means that they're gonna they're willing
31:45
to do business with pbc uh i would like um maybe
31:53
this is me being a greedy fan but i would like
31:57
for pbc to come over to the zone stable as well
31:59
um we we have these separate ish silos fighters
32:07
like if you want to have intra promotional fights
32:11
go ahead but if you want to send your guys off
32:15
like it's not that difficult of a thing to do
32:19
because you're all in the same network just I
32:24
don't know just my thinking I'm gonna I kind
32:28
of disagree with you in the sense that well not
32:31
disagree but more like I feel like PVC back in
32:36
the day, was actually a more formidable threat
32:39
than to what Zufa is right now in the sense that...
32:43
Even with Saudi backing? Yes, because the thing
32:47
with the PBC is that back then, they had already
32:53
pretty much... They already pretty much had stars.
32:57
They had, like, all the stars. They had Errol
32:59
Spence. They had Deontay Wilder. They had all
33:01
these guys. Zufa has zero to no. They have zero
33:05
to none stars in their stable right now. What
33:07
do you mean? Jio Pataya is not like... Jio Pataya
33:10
and Brandon Lee, bro. Oh, yeah. I'm sorry, guys.
33:14
They had Jio Pataya, the fucking Zufa champion.
33:16
Oh, Mark Mike Sayo. Fucking all these other guys,
33:20
you know. Richardson Hitchens? Corey. They got
33:25
Conor Benn, right? These guys, they got stars,
33:28
supposedly. They have Conor Benn for one fight
33:30
with Regis Progray. And they overpaid him $15
33:32
million. All Zufa has right now, currently, this
33:36
might become outdated, but all they have right
33:39
now is the money. They have no stars. They have
33:46
no history. I feel like it's going to take time
33:49
for fighters to try to go over there. Yeah, they
33:51
could probably spend a little money, but I feel
33:54
like it's going to take a long time to do that
33:55
considering right now a lot of the champions
33:57
are seemingly staying with their current promoters
34:02
for now. For now. You might see a shift soon
34:04
with maybe Ryan Garcia going to Zufa or Dave
34:06
and Devin Haney. But either way, it seems like
34:08
a lot of the current RR boxing guys are going
34:13
to stay on their side. And Zufa is just going
34:16
to be its own little fucking playground. It's
34:18
going to be a developmental slash retirement
34:21
league. Yeah. Developmental retirement league.
34:25
It seems like that's all it's going to be for
34:27
now. Well, I don't think the developmental part
34:30
even works, because no one's going to want to
34:32
touch these fighters unless they already have
34:34
a profile. That's true. Once they leave the promotion.
34:39
They're not going to build a profile, and they're
34:41
not going to sell tickets, and none of the belts
34:44
are going to want anything to do with them because
34:46
they worked with Zufa. I'm thinking that Zufa
34:52
is going to be treated like a national version
34:55
of a regional promoter. Like, a regional promoter
34:59
gets you, what, a dozen fights? And you're knocking
35:03
out cans, pretty much? I'm going to cry because
35:07
they're going to lose out to ProBox in the long
35:10
run. I got a pretty interesting idea right now.
35:16
ProBox is a development league, but it's also
35:19
the best quality product. It's a better one.
35:23
We're going to get to this, actually, this time.
35:25
I see it on the outline. It is the best quality
35:28
product on the market. quality i mean if you
35:58
if you look at the benavides fight with with
36:00
morel versus the benavides fight with with yard
36:03
it's night and day that that production quality
36:06
i mean one streaming in 4k one streaming in freaking
36:09
what 1080p you get 4k with uh the zone ultimate
36:13
you get 4k with his own ultimate just uh i what
36:18
would i know it's not like i'm a zone ultimate
36:21
subscriber We all pay and watch fights. Of course,
36:26
we all pay the subscription fees. But yeah, you
36:29
get the fights in 4K. Well, that does sound awesome.
36:33
But I will say, at the end of the day, even besides
36:36
camera quality, also production quality as well,
36:39
with the arenas and everything else, it's classic
36:43
boxing, man. To me, it reeks of HBO, which is
36:47
a good thing. It's the closest analog to HBO
36:50
and Showtime. Exactly. I mean, PBC was on Showtime
36:54
for a considerable amount of years. But at the
36:58
end of the day, it's like a capsule of what boxing
37:01
used to be versus the modern era of... I mean,
37:05
I think you can see with some of the walkouts
37:07
too, you know, with the boxing. And I've talked
37:10
about this with Josh. I've debated with him on
37:12
this. How I like... I probably personally liked
37:14
it when boxers came out of the dressing room
37:16
versus now how it's by themselves. walking through
37:21
a corridor, you know, with a full of lights and
37:24
shit. It's got to be presented right, is my take.
37:27
Like, in Germany, they do it so good. Yeah, but,
37:30
you know, now, like, I just like, like, when
37:33
the fighters come out with their entire team,
37:34
you know, they got the music playing. It's bad.
37:37
I don't know. I'm just rambling. Either way,
37:39
PBC on DAZN would be pretty awesome. I don't
37:42
know when their deal with Prime ends. I feel
37:45
like if their deal with Prime isn't renewed.
37:49
then they probably will go to DAZN. Right now,
37:52
they're just, they don't, like, what deal? All
37:55
they have is pay -per -views. That's not the
37:58
same thing as having, like, a broadcast deal.
38:01
No, it's not. And honestly, it's kind of, it
38:05
might kill them in the long run because, again,
38:07
Benavidez fought on DAZN last time around. Tank
38:12
is seemingly nowhere to be found. Those are their
38:14
two top pay -per -view guys right now. I mean,
38:16
Pitbull Roach didn't – I feel like it didn't
38:18
do a lot of – didn't sell a lot of pay -per -view.
38:20
It sold well on the gate, but pay -per -view,
38:22
I don't know. You know? It's a far cry from when
38:26
they wanted to just have everything be on national
38:29
television, you know? I don't know. But we'll
38:35
see what happens with them. Oh, we got to keep
38:37
it rolling. We are quite a bit of ways in. Okay,
38:40
so IBF. I want to get Saul. Your bit. IBF strips
38:47
Janabek. Rightfully so. Yeah. I don't know why
38:53
they took this line of stripper. I think it was
38:54
because maybe they had to find a second, not
38:57
second, but like a mandatory or like an interim
38:59
champion. Like a vacant title fight competitors.
39:06
Yeah, exactly. Rightfully so. I'm so mad at Janabek
39:12
just because he popped dirty. Crawford wasn't
39:16
going to fight Adamez or the winner of him versus
39:19
Laura. That's right. Crawford revealed that because
39:21
Janabek pissed hot, he chose not to do the 160
39:26
undisputed. He ducked all of 160. Crawford ducked
39:32
Janabek. Crawford ducked Janabek, the McDonald's
39:35
worker. We are going to get angry YouTube comments
39:38
for that. Yeah, it's true. It's true. Why didn't
39:43
he fight Adamus then? Adamus and Lara. Those
39:47
are fucking easy scalps. There's still, yeah.
39:50
Unless he didn't think he could beat them, in
39:53
which case, well, here we are. That raises a
39:58
lot of questions on Crawford's quality, which
40:02
you, Josh, are asking. I laugh every time it
40:07
comes up in chat because I can go say, Crawford
40:10
fought nobody until he fought two drunks at the
40:13
end of his career. Also, IBF strips Obitaya.
40:22
This is formal after the board of directors had
40:27
their vote. I posted it on social media. This
40:33
just follows the weird sequence of events that
40:37
we had on the Zufa 4. event and yeah here we
40:46
are at the conclusion ibf strips them strips
40:49
opitaya of his title uh i can't help but feel
40:55
opitaya however whatever like his his iq or whatever
41:05
um you made your bed bro I'm sorry. If you want
41:10
to be undisputed in the traditional sense, number
41:14
one, you should not have signed with Zufa. Number
41:17
two, you're not going to be able to do that until
41:20
you leave Zufa. To me, that's the long and short
41:25
of it. What do you guys got? I want to hear Josh's
41:28
opinion first. This is a guy who wants to be
41:31
undisputed and then signs with the only promoter
41:33
that wants to get rid of all the belts and doesn't
41:35
want to work with the belts. He made your bed.
41:38
Like, this guy has to be so illiterate. Because
41:43
they sent him, like, two formal warnings, too,
41:46
about it. And just in one ear, out the other.
41:52
It's crazy. Like, he deserves Zufa. I completely
42:01
agree. Like, it's not a matter of, oh, he was
42:04
never told they're scamming the fighters. Like,
42:06
no. Getting stripped by the IBF for fucking.
42:14
Because of what Zufa made clear from the beginning.
42:19
This guy, bro. Dana White got him. Yeah, well,
42:23
Ty made his bet. He's better sleep in it, dude.
42:26
You made the bet, you'd be shat in it. You better
42:28
fucking rub that poop all over your face. Zufa
42:30
took a fat dump in your bed. You got to sleep
42:35
in it, bitch. Sorry. Oh, yeah, dude. Yeah, you
42:37
wanted to become undisputed. Fucking Max Helm
42:39
was calling you undisputed, and you were all
42:42
pissed off. What do you expect? Undisputed. What
42:45
do you expect? I'm sorry, Jai, but yeah, you're
42:48
undisputed for, yeah. You don't have the prestige
42:52
of the IBF anymore. Sorry, pal. Let's keep it
42:58
rolling. Xander Zayas, Jerron Ennis negotiations
43:01
are, quote, advancing rapidly. I have to say,
43:06
big ups to Xander Zayas. Not at all the fight
43:15
that I would have expected him to take. He could
43:17
have taken, like, an easy mandatory. He could
43:20
have taken an easier unification with Kelly.
43:25
But instead, he's fighting the guy. Holy shit.
43:29
Xander Zayas, I'm here for you, man. One of the
43:32
guys. I respect you. One of the guys. 1A of the
43:37
guys. The other guy's losing the golden boy in
43:39
court. There's no chance. 1B is a little busy
43:42
right now, but 1A is doing his thing. Listen,
43:48
I was wrong. I thought Zayas was going to hold
43:50
that shit hostage until the heat death of the
43:53
universe. So, respect. Actual respect for...
43:56
I'm cheering for him in the fight simply because
43:59
he took it. That's it. We're talking like the
44:03
fight has already been signed and it's already
44:05
been announced. Oh, my God. Advanced negotiations?
44:10
Advanced negotiations is farther than Virgil
44:12
got with Boots here. That is true, but we also
44:16
heard with Virgil multiple times that it was
44:18
pretty much a done deal. Remember what happened
44:21
with AJ and Fury? Shit, fuck that up. That is
44:24
a done deal, isn't it? I don't think Abbas Baru
44:27
is suing for a contractually obligated rematch.
44:30
Either way. Either way. With Xander, I got to
44:33
give all the props to Xander. I personally don't
44:36
think he's going to win the fight. I hope he
44:38
does, though. That would be funny as heck. But
44:41
I'm surprised that Tom Breaks even letting him
44:45
do that. They must be surprised themselves. Well,
44:48
they just signed that new partnership with Matchroom.
44:51
Yeah. I mean, it's crazy how this fight gets
44:57
made. I'm going to tip my hat off to Zander.
45:00
And I would want him to win, just purely on the
45:02
fact that that might make another start. You
45:04
have an agenda to keep, too. No, no, no. Let's
45:08
not pretend. Anti -Ennis agenda. Yeah, we have
45:11
an agenda here. Hold on. Let me tell you why.
45:13
Let me tell you why, okay? I believe that if
45:15
Zander wins, that he will be a bigger starter
45:18
than if Boots won. purely off the fact that he'll
45:22
be the fucking second coming of christ to puerto
45:24
rico right now if he beat ennis to do that yeah
45:28
fuck yeah you're right absolutely you're right
45:30
and it'll bring a lot of more eyes on the sport
45:32
and then you know and i'm not saying i want ennis
45:35
to lose i think ennis is gonna win bad bunny
45:37
ring walkouts every xander zayas fight exactly
45:42
is gonna be coming out of retirement to do that
45:46
shit exactly i mean come on this is this is This
45:50
could be a potential pay -per -view star. I mean,
45:53
he's like Emiliano. He's got the looks. He's
45:55
got the hooks. He's got everything. I'm starting
45:57
like Sergio Moore right now. Jesus Christ. Yeah,
46:00
he is AI -generated. Oh, that felt horrible.
46:04
He is AI -generated. Get him out of here. I'm
46:06
going to fuck a Zufa at this point. Jesus Christ.
46:09
Sorry about that, Sergio. You can copyright me
46:10
for that. Xander Zayas. I'm slapping that. Well,
46:13
no, seriously. You know what? Because, again,
46:15
I've always been a Virgil fan, but I've always
46:17
also... You know, fellow Latinos, Xander Zayas,
46:24
my man. Yeah, of course. I'm going to fucking
46:26
cheer for you, bro. Yeah. And you know what?
46:29
I've also eased up on him at first. I got to
46:32
admit, I thought he was a top rank, the usual
46:34
top rank protection program fighter. Yeah, yeah,
46:37
yeah. But you know what? He's starting to seem
46:39
like a decent skill fighter. Every fight I've
46:42
seen him in, even starting from the Jose fight,
46:45
even before that, but really from the Jose fight.
46:50
I see potential. I mean, he's young. He's crafty.
46:54
And at the end of the day, he also needs some
46:58
guys to lift him up because he hasn't fought
47:00
the best competition. I personally would have
47:02
rather have seen him fight Josh Kelly. Again,
47:05
of course, I love seeing him fight Boots because
47:07
that's ballsy, but I keep saying this every time
47:10
he wins a fight. He needs someone light. He needs
47:12
someone to boost his, pad his record, you know?
47:16
He needs, honestly, a Tim Zhu. He needs an Erickson
47:20
Lubin. He needs Strip. If he finds Boots, he's
47:23
skipping straight to the front of the line. You
47:26
know? And if he wins, that's amazing for the
47:29
sport. You know, if he beats Boots, I might even
47:33
say he might... He'll put up a damn good chance
47:36
against Virgil if I see him beat Boots. You know,
47:38
I don't know. I mean, I really want to see this
47:43
fight happen. That would be amazing, but... I
47:45
would have to say that if Zayas... can manage
47:49
to beat Jaron Ennis. To me, it's like a 99 %
47:55
certainty that Zayas beats Virgil. Oh, yeah.
48:00
To me, it's that clear. This takes an insane
48:06
amount of intestinal fortitude from Zayas to
48:11
step up to boots. Holy shit. I don't even know
48:18
what to say beyond that. Just like, holy shit.
48:21
Fucking get after him. I'll put him on the pound
48:23
-for -pound list. Absolutely. If he beats Boots,
48:26
fuck yeah. Absolutely. At 22, 23, that would
48:31
be better than shit. I was going to say Bam or
48:35
Shakur. At least on the pound -for -pound list.
48:38
Shakur's better than Shakur for sure. Because
48:43
that's crazy to beat boots at a young age like
48:46
that. Again, Bambi, Quadras, Bambi, all these
48:49
guys. But again, if Xander does the same thing
48:51
at a higher weight against a guy that's seen
48:54
as the literal boogeyman. In his prime. In his
48:57
prime, the boogeyman. The guy that Crawford ducked.
49:00
You mean the goat. No, the boogeyman. He is the
49:03
boogeyman. The guy that Crawford ducked. He is
49:05
the guy that Crawford ducked. Yeah. G -Boat,
49:09
greatest boogeyman of all time? Yeah. Yeah, I
49:13
mean, come on. I mean, I would genuinely be jumping
49:16
out of my seat if he beat Jaron. You know, even
49:18
if he went to the decision. No, I will. I will.
49:23
Victory and defeat for Xander. Like, you can
49:26
lose. Even if Xander loses the decision. Yeah.
49:28
If he loses a decision, like, man, you went.
49:33
Jaron didn't stop you. That's saying a lot. Jaron
49:36
didn't stop you, and you look good. Yeah. Close
49:38
to the decision. You look good. I don't think
49:41
that's going to happen, but I got to give all
49:44
the credit to Xander if he even steps in the
49:46
ring with boots. Shit, dudes, we got to keep
49:51
it rolling. Oshaki Foster versus Ray Ford is
49:56
quote -unquote virtually agreed. I think this
50:00
is part of the top -ranked matchroom partnership
50:04
deal. This is not the fight that I want. I want
50:07
Oshaki Foster versus fucking Navarrete. That's
50:12
what we want. Moving on. Bam. Returning in June.
50:21
The question becomes, does he go to 118? If he
50:26
does, they're looking at WBA champ Antonio Vargas.
50:30
Or... Does he take like a mandatory for one of
50:34
his three titles while he waits for Willie Baldo
50:38
to fight Andrew Maloney? I'm just really happy
50:44
that Bam, his return is very highly likely to
50:49
be in Phoenix. Holy shit. This is like my third,
50:54
maybe my fourth Bam fight. Are you fucking kidding
50:57
me? I'm watching like a generational talent.
51:00
Pardon me, but you can all be green with envy.
51:06
Bam's the king. Man, he's like... I think below...
51:12
Below Inoue. He's right, like, without question.
51:16
He's the guy. But we'll see how this develops.
51:23
I haven't heard anything different to date. So...
51:27
Last... thing tommy hearns was placed on the
51:34
conserva conservatorship uh a few days ago the
51:40
the key thing to know about this situation is
51:44
that there are a lot of like gofundme type of
51:48
situations that are popping up and tommy hearns
51:52
is conservator i believe it's his son is saying
51:56
do not Do not donate to Tommy Hearn's fundraiser
52:03
accounts. Yeah. Because he's not getting that
52:09
money. So if you want to help Tommy right now,
52:12
I really don't have a better answer. But right
52:17
now, just hold your cash. As soon as it becomes
52:21
available, I'll post it on social media or something.
52:25
But right now... uh, hold your cash. Like his,
52:29
uh, one of his relatives, I, God, it makes me,
52:33
it hurts my heart to have to say it, but I think
52:36
it's his daughter is the one that's trying to
52:38
like steal the money. So I don't know, dude.
52:43
Um, prayers up. That's the best I can, best I
52:47
can say like Tommy Hearns, like my, of the four
52:52
Kings. Like that's my guy right there. Like I,
52:54
I, I wish I knew how I could help, but I don't.
52:59
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Woof. Let's get rolling on these recaps. First
56:28
things first. Friday, March 13th. ProBox TV.
56:34
In Kissimmee, Florida. I told Shanada I was not
56:41
that impressed with the Valle brothers. I know
56:43
that they're like pro box royalty, but I expected
56:48
better. So, I don't know. Do you guys have any
56:53
thoughts on these two? I just personally think
56:57
it was an off night. Yeah. Yeah, that's probably
57:00
what it is. It's also just not like that. After
57:04
the main, it was not on my radar of thought.
57:08
Fair enough. In the main event, Najee Lopez stops
57:13
Manuel Gallegos in eight. Wow. I think this might
57:18
be like an early fight of the year contender.
57:22
That's a fight of the decade. That was fucking
57:25
incredible. Like 2020s, we haven't had a gangbusters
57:29
like that. Oh my God. It was exciting. It went
57:35
late. Skill was on display. Back and forth. Everything
57:40
you love about the sport. Yeah. This is... We
57:44
say it all the time. Pro box good. Holy shit.
57:49
Just watch this fight and you will understand
57:52
why pro box good. God, Najee Lopez at light heavyweight,
58:01
and he is now up at 16 -0. Light heavyweight
58:06
is pretty top -heavy. So what do you think? Let's
58:13
call a spade a spade. David Murrell beats Callum
58:17
Smith. Is that the next scalp for Najee Lopez?
58:21
That's going to be a great fight. I don't think
58:23
Lopez does it. Like, very clearly from this fight,
58:27
he is vulnerable. I don't think anyone can debate
58:31
that. But, like, God, I want to see him mix it
58:33
up with these people. I think Callum Smith is,
58:36
like, a really good step up for Lopez. Smith
58:40
says he's done if he loses this fight. Ah, tits.
58:43
Well, never mind. That's what I'm saying. Like,
58:45
I'm not considering Smith. That being said, if
58:48
Hot Rod isn't exclusive with Zufa. Yeah. Hot
58:54
Rod would be a good one. Hot Rod just came off
58:56
a pretty exciting win. Vosdik? Vosdik might not
59:00
want that. Who else is light heavyweight? Let's
59:06
have a look. I mean, you can do the Russian super
59:10
soldier, Katayev. Juice through his veins. You
59:20
want to wheel Anthony Yard out to kill him? Kataev.
59:24
Najee Lopez's rate on BoxRec is above Kataev.
59:29
Kataev. Listen, the guilty pleasure one is you
59:37
give him Ben Whittaker and you get rid of Ben
59:43
Whittaker that way. But what if Ben Whittaker
59:46
dances on Lopez? God. No, the thing is that,
59:51
like, the ring -cutting ability was really good
59:53
on Lopez. It is. Like, he cuts the ring off exceptionally
59:58
well, and that's... Whitaker isn't... Like, he's
1:00:02
flashy, but he's actually not that mobile. Gallegos
1:00:06
is... For being a Mexican, he was a lot more
1:00:12
mobile. I think he was put on his back foot,
1:00:15
and it just was not where he wanted to be. Man,
1:00:21
Lope has so much fucking potential here. This
1:00:27
Turkish dude, Mehmet Unal, I think his name is.
1:00:34
They're similar records. Homeboy is fighting
1:00:38
out of Quebec. Come on. This is too good. Let's
1:00:47
roll on. Saturday, March 14th. Josh, your fucking
1:00:56
white knight continues to do it. Anthony Kakachi
1:01:02
snags the 130 WBA title from Jazza Dickens. This
1:01:08
fight was not one to watch, though. I did not
1:01:11
have fun. It was pretty fucking dreadful. Yeah.
1:01:16
Like... I expected Dickens to fight like that,
1:01:19
but, like, man, like, Akash's career has definitely
1:01:23
just been beating up these guys. The Brit Slayer?
1:01:27
Yeah, like, I don't know why. Like, he's not
1:01:30
even, like, top five Brits you've taken down,
1:01:33
and, like, he was just really passive and not
1:01:36
a great watch. But he's also 37 fighting in super
1:01:40
featherweight, so he also might just be old.
1:01:43
Yeah, like, Nav and Oshaki Foster are his contemporaries.
1:01:50
You are right. I think we were saying Nav was
1:01:54
getting old at 31, so 37, yeah. We were saying
1:01:58
Nav is getting old not because of his age, but
1:02:01
because of his lifestyle, I think. Yeah, but
1:02:05
you're in the wrong. You're starting to exceed
1:02:07
30, so the lifestyle affects you more. Fair enough.
1:02:11
Like, I saw someone say, like, after, like, over
1:02:15
time as you get older as an athlete, like, the
1:02:17
miles you put on the clock scale exponentially
1:02:20
instead of linearly. Yeah, I see what you mean.
1:02:23
And, like, yeah, like, those beers you have in
1:02:26
training camp matter a lot more at 31 than at...
1:02:29
25. 25, yeah. But 37 is just old. Damn. So, well,
1:02:39
just to address an angry comment that we had
1:02:42
on a Boxing Before Dark episode is that Briatus,
1:02:47
when he fought Jaya Pattaya, he was 37, not 40.
1:02:53
Yes. So he's not an old man. Hey, you're fucking
1:02:58
rounding up pennies, you can round a beige. He's
1:03:01
only 37. That's the excuse. I will have you know
1:03:04
that me, I'm coming up on... I already just called
1:03:09
myself a 40 -year -old man. But our prospects
1:03:12
are a redneck brawl, though, not a world title
1:03:16
contention. Yeah. Well, I think that's enough
1:03:21
time for Kakachi. Moving on to Golden Boy at
1:03:26
the Honda Center in Anaheim, California. Saul,
1:03:29
did you go? No, I ended up not going because
1:03:33
I was going to buy it, and then I was talking
1:03:35
to my dad. And they went up to $133. Oh, okay.
1:03:39
Yeah, maybe. This ticket is not $135 worth. Oh,
1:03:45
okay, man. That's cool. But let's start off from
1:03:49
the parts that matter. Gabby Fandora stops Viviana
1:03:55
Ruiz in six. Her pound -for -pound credentials
1:04:01
continue to amass. You please him. Sweet Poison.
1:04:06
That is one of the coolest fucking nicknames
1:04:09
I've ever heard. It really is. Moving up, Alexis
1:04:13
Rocha beats Jojo Diaz by unanimous decision.
1:04:18
Who do we put? Like, is it that Jojo's tough
1:04:22
or that Alexis Rocha's ass? I don't feel there's
1:04:26
any in between here. Well, you know, both can
1:04:29
be true. Yeah, but it's a little bit of this,
1:04:31
a little bit of that. Fair, fair, fair, fair.
1:04:34
Rocha has not been active, really. He last fought
1:04:40
in 2024 in a draw. He's never really looked that
1:04:46
impressive. I think the one fight where I was
1:04:48
like, he looks pretty good was with Blair Cobbs.
1:04:55
That was years ago. That was four years ago against
1:04:58
Blair Cobbs. This is another fighter that's just
1:05:03
going to be kind of round. I'm not impressed.
1:05:07
He's there a welterweight. He's just not a world
1:05:10
beater. He could be a good stepping stone for
1:05:15
future fighters. I think that's all. I think
1:05:18
it was obvious when he got dominated by Rashid
1:05:21
Ellis. Yeah. In 2020, in the bubble. Yeah. It
1:05:28
was pretty obvious. It was pretty obvious. I
1:05:30
can't. It's not even because he lost, but it's
1:05:34
because of how he lost that it's tough to rate
1:05:39
him. I just expected that a full -fledged welterweight
1:05:45
would be able to beat an inflated feather. Inflated
1:05:52
Jojo Diaz. Exactly. I thought Rocha would be
1:05:55
able to actually put it on and stop. Jojo Diaz,
1:06:01
however tough he may be. I think that's my disappointment.
1:06:06
Roach is also not that guy. I wanted him to be...
1:06:10
I just wanted Peddo Diaz to get fucking murked.
1:06:15
That might be it. That might be why I'm so disappointed.
1:06:20
I think we all are. You just wanted... Hey, but
1:06:22
you know what? Diaz has a couple more miles on
1:06:25
the clock and he fights on. So it'll... There
1:06:30
will be more chances. There will be an 8 -0 prospect
1:06:33
with eight knockouts who Goldenboy will scam
1:06:37
into signing with them. Joel Iriarte on the undercard
1:06:45
is a 9 -0. He's got a fair amount of stoppages
1:06:52
on his record. Yeah, someone like this. It'll
1:06:58
be someone who catches JoJo and is even more
1:07:00
washed, and it'll work out. All will be well.
1:07:05
You know what else was well? Oscar Collazo retires
1:07:09
Jesus Haro in 6. So that's fun. We spent more
1:07:16
time talking about this on Boxing Before Dark.
1:07:20
I'm not going to drag you guys down to the...
1:07:25
to the depths of hell that is minimum weight.
1:07:30
In the main event, Arnold Barbosa beats Kenneth
1:07:34
Sims by decision. Rocha came into the ring, and
1:07:40
they were like, fucking like, yeah, yeah, we're
1:07:43
gonna do it, bro. You and me, yeah, we're gonna
1:07:46
fight. All right. Yeah, that's a fight of all
1:07:51
time. Sure. It is certainly a fight of all time.
1:07:54
You're right, Saul. Thank you, Golden Boy. Again,
1:07:57
I respect Barbosa. He's a regional fighter from
1:08:01
the area of California that I'm from. I'm not
1:08:06
from there, but I'm from California, so I got
1:08:08
to support him, you know. But again, at the end
1:08:11
of the day, it's just... That fight was just...
1:08:14
Like I said, I knew it was going to be not the
1:08:16
best fight. I knew that. Barboza was going to
1:08:20
make it harder than it had to be. I mean, Sims
1:08:23
got... To me, he made a lot of those rounds close.
1:08:27
You know? And I just think that that was... Barboza
1:08:32
won, but what did you show the crowd? What did
1:08:35
you show the people, man? Yeah, what did you
1:08:37
actually accomplish with this? Exactly, yeah.
1:08:40
It was like a Lawrence Coley win. Oh. I wouldn't
1:08:45
say it was that bad, like as bad as Lawrence
1:08:47
Coley, but it was... It was similar to that.
1:08:49
I understand the sentiment, yeah. Yeah, it's
1:08:54
a fighter that you put on the undercard, but
1:08:56
it's not someone that will always become a main
1:08:58
event, you know? Unless you do it, like, in a
1:09:01
tiny little arena. Oh, but they're gonna make
1:09:05
Barbossa Rocha. That's gonna be a fucking Golden
1:09:08
Boy main event. Yeah. Gabi's gonna maybe co -main.
1:09:15
It's going to be a lot. She's going to be fucking
1:09:17
more exciting than the main event will be. Oh,
1:09:21
100%. She's the main event to me, man. In our
1:09:23
hearts. Yeah. We have been sweet poisoned. Yeah.
1:09:32
Anything more for the golden boy card before
1:09:35
we roll on? Did we have anything about the news
1:09:40
about Gabby Fandora's? next fight against Hiruda.
1:09:46
Really? She's fighting Mimi? Yeah. That's rumored
1:09:51
to be next and I feel really bad for Mimi because
1:09:54
I like Mimi. I like her too. She's going to get
1:09:59
turned into ground beef. It's going to be ground
1:10:04
wagyu at least. It'll be fun. It'll be a fun
1:10:09
fight. Yeah, but you really think. Mimi has that
1:10:15
shot in hell. It will be her best opponent today,
1:10:19
honestly. It will be her best opponent, for sure.
1:10:22
Each other's best opponent, so I think that will
1:10:24
be a really fun fight to watch. Clarissa Shield
1:10:29
still in the mud. I'm sorry, homegirl. It's not
1:10:34
your fault. But you're going to continue suffering
1:10:38
for it anyway. Let's move on to the Taken card
1:10:44
in Yokohama. Similar to the Koyazo fight, we
1:10:49
spent more time on this on Boxing Before Dark.
1:10:53
That episode actually dropped like an hour before
1:10:57
we started recording. So if you really want an
1:11:02
in -depth look, Shanada was there. So she can
1:11:05
really tell you a lot more about these fighters.
1:11:10
The main ones I wanted to talk about. Anthony
1:11:13
Olaskwaga stops Jukia Imura in nine. This was
1:11:18
a beatdown of the year contender. Holy shit.
1:11:23
Olaskwaga just does not fuck around. And I'm
1:11:28
here for it. Especially for like a 112 guy to
1:11:32
be putting on this type of hurt. He does it every
1:11:38
fucking time. It's fantastic. But Nonito Donair
1:11:46
gets stopped in eight. Yeah. Have we seen the
1:11:53
last of Filipino Flash? Hopefully. Honestly,
1:11:59
hang it up, champ. He's had nothing to prove
1:12:03
for a while, and this is just miles away. I'm
1:12:08
sure he still has money. This is just miles on
1:12:10
the clock to have him. I think his wife makes
1:12:14
him fight. I really do. I think she makes him
1:12:20
do it just for more money. For the sake of having
1:12:24
more money. Not because they need it. But that's
1:12:29
my tinfoil theory. I don't know. Anything more
1:12:34
for the take -in card? For Donair? Hola, squad.
1:12:40
Hey, you had your time, champ. You had your time.
1:12:42
I'm serious. He needs to hang him up. He really
1:12:45
does. I'm not fucking joking. Man. When he was
1:12:50
losing decisions, close decisions, whatever,
1:12:52
right? You're getting stomped by Riku Masuda?
1:12:57
Masuda. Yeah. This is just not... I don't think
1:13:01
it's fun for anyone. It's not fun for him. He
1:13:05
just doesn't have it. People that watch this
1:13:07
are sadists. At Shenada. Let's leave it there.
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Wednesday, March 25th. Group Yvonne Michel is
1:17:24
putting on a card in Montreal. The main event,
1:17:29
Alexis Barillet versus Robert Sims. That is a
1:17:34
lot more time than this card deserves. Saturday,
1:17:39
March 28th. First things first. Queensberry at
1:17:46
the Co -op Live in Manchester. The undercard
1:17:51
is like peak Lynn stuff. Maybe I should hit her
1:17:59
up and get a statement. Yeah, get a synopsis
1:18:03
on what to expect. Jesus. But we got Moses Itauma
1:18:07
versus Jermaine Franklin. This is a rescheduling
1:18:11
from January. I think we really spoke about this
1:18:15
at length. Yeah, we made this fight happen, actually.
1:18:21
We're the kings of this castle. We run the sport,
1:18:24
actually. Moses Itauma, what round are you guys
1:18:29
expecting? If it's going to stop, what round
1:18:33
do you think? I think it goes a distance. You
1:18:36
think so? All right. I would like to have belief
1:18:44
in Moses and Thelma that it will be a late stoppage.
1:18:50
I'm thinking mid -lates, like 7, 8, 9. Like Franklin's
1:18:57
output does drop off late, but it's like very
1:19:00
late in the fight. It's not like it drops off
1:19:02
around 7, like it drops off around 10. Championship
1:19:04
rounds, right? Yeah, like Championship rounds,
1:19:07
his output falls off a cliff, his guard isn't
1:19:10
as tight, you know? Yeah. So I'm thinking that's
1:19:13
when Otama... Like, I'm assuming Otama has the
1:19:16
stuff to, like, not also gas out by then. Like,
1:19:21
that's what we'll see. So you're thinking this
1:19:23
is, like, a legit test for Otama. Oh, Frank,
1:19:26
it's legit. Like... Like, he's a legit, like,
1:19:31
very, like, again, we said he's a very solid
1:19:33
veteran that doesn't have a chance to, like,
1:19:36
administer a career -changing beating if Itama
1:19:39
isn't ready. True that. I kind of agree with
1:19:43
this is a test. I would say more on the test
1:19:46
of the, I would say, gas. Yeah, like it's a stamina
1:19:50
test. Exactly, a stamina test. We'll see what
1:19:53
he's really made out of in that regard. Not so
1:19:55
much like a durability test, but a stamina test
1:19:58
to see where he would lie. And if he's throwing
1:20:01
bombs all night, jab, jab, hook, hook type situation,
1:20:06
I mean, and he doesn't gas out, that's a good
1:20:09
sign, you know? If he gets beat on, if he gets
1:20:14
beat on, and... goes to a close decision with
1:20:19
Jermaine Franklin, that will be a very dangerous
1:20:22
indicator for the rest of his entire career.
1:20:25
Honestly, Jermaine Franklin, like what you said,
1:20:28
he's a very durable opponent, but he's also not
1:20:31
a very good opponent. This is going to be an
1:20:32
obvious Maetama win. I mean, I find it laughable
1:20:37
to even give Jermaine Franklin a chance. But
1:20:40
man, it's going to be, I'll watch it because
1:20:43
it's Maetama, you know, I've got to support the
1:20:45
young heavyweight, but. We all know what's going
1:20:48
to go down. Had more dog coughs there. Sorry,
1:20:51
guys. No worries. But yeah, I think you guys
1:20:57
are right. Like I said, I think this is going
1:20:59
to go to about the 789 frame. But I'm not expecting
1:21:07
Jermaine Franklin to see the last bell. I don't
1:21:13
think he's that guy. And I think Atama is. that
1:21:17
guy so i think it goes this is you think so all
1:21:22
right yeah um let's move on to pro box tv just
1:21:30
really quickly the two fights at the top brian
1:21:35
acosta versus ronnie rios and uh renee taez versus
1:21:41
malik montgomery Those are the top two of the
1:21:45
bill of Probox. They've been putting on fights.
1:21:48
I think they still have four more weeks of having
1:21:52
a card every weekend. So, fuck yeah, Probox.
1:21:56
Probox is good. Don't skip Queensberry or We're
1:22:03
About to Talk About PBC necessarily for this
1:22:06
one. Don't drop what you're doing for this one,
1:22:10
but definitely catch it on replay. last thing
1:22:16
on the docket PBC on Prime in Las Vegas from
1:22:23
the bottom up Elijah Garcia versus Kevin Newman
1:22:29
second is capping off the prelims I gotta roll
1:22:35
with Garcia just because he's from my city so
1:22:39
there's that but fuck Dude, he's not very good.
1:22:46
The main card. Gergen Hovenissian versus Cesar
1:22:51
Navarro. Yes, Big Gug. Big Gurg. Big Gug. Gug.
1:22:57
I don't know why he's Big Gug. Big Gurg would
1:23:00
make sense. Gurg is perfect. Yeah, no, his nickname
1:23:04
is Big Gug. All right. Moving up, Christian.
1:23:10
I love fat heavyweights. dumpy heavyweights,
1:23:13
right? They suck, but they're fun because they
1:23:17
hit hard. Christian Kangalosi versus Miguel Hernandez.
1:23:24
This is a super welterweight fight. Yoenly Hernandez
1:23:29
versus Terrell Gachet. Ten rounds at middleweight.
1:23:33
Saul, you said this is a good step -up? Yes.
1:23:37
I think it's a good step -up because Terrell
1:23:39
Gachet has been there with a lot of champions.
1:23:42
Yeah, it's a good measuring stick. Yeah, Gachet
1:23:45
is a good measuring stick. We'll see how good
1:23:47
Yohan Lee is. I mean, I think he's going to be
1:23:49
pretty decent, pretty good. We'll see when he
1:23:52
gets in the ring. And in the co -main, Yohanis
1:23:56
Taez, the dude that lost to Abbas Baru, is back
1:24:02
versus Brian Mendoza. Xander Zayas? No, I'm kidding,
1:24:10
I'm kidding. This is a solid fight for... This
1:24:15
is actually, like, for a get -back, this is a
1:24:17
hard fucking fight for Tejas. Mendoza's not a
1:24:21
slouch by any stretch. Not at all. Man, that's
1:24:26
rough, dude. Like, yeah, you want to get it back,
1:24:28
then you're going to have to earn it. In the
1:24:32
main event, Sebastian Fundora versus Keith Thurman.
1:24:35
Sebastian Fundora is the WBC super welterweight
1:24:39
champion. Bald Keith Thurman. I was joking in
1:24:48
Discord. Now that Keith Thurman has gone through
1:24:52
all the stages of grief for his hair, is he focused
1:24:56
on fighting now? I think he is. I got a controversial
1:25:03
opinion about this fight. I, for the past couple
1:25:08
months, all I've been thinking about is Sebastian
1:25:09
Von Dort winning. knocking the hell out of Keith
1:25:12
Thurman, which, again, that's the opinion I still
1:25:14
have. But I was thinking about it, and I watched
1:25:18
that other fight that Fandora had with Tim Zhu.
1:25:22
And I'm just thinking, man, if Keith comes out
1:25:26
and actually looks like how he used to, I think
1:25:31
Fandora loses. I mean, if you watch that fight
1:25:36
with Tim Zhu, his last fight with Tim Zhu, he
1:25:37
was getting hit with the right hand. freaking
1:25:40
left and right i was thinking during that fight
1:25:43
i was surprised that they stopped it because
1:25:46
tim zu was finding success with the right hand
1:25:50
of the overhand right through fundora's work
1:25:54
exactly and and the thing is that i've for for
1:25:58
forever i've been thinking like man like why
1:26:00
are they big this fight happened and i i just
1:26:03
I can honestly now see, maybe I'm just gaslighting
1:26:06
myself, but I can genuinely see a possibility
1:26:08
where Keith Thurman actually wins by just spamming
1:26:11
that overhand right and hitting Fandora. Because
1:26:16
he's blind. Fandora is a tall man in boxing.
1:26:19
He is. He will make a tall fight into a short.
1:26:22
He fights like a short fighter, you know? Yeah.
1:26:26
And Thurman, back in the day, was, oh, my God,
1:26:30
he was great. But now, he's an old man. He's
1:26:35
only fought twice, three times since 2019, since
1:26:38
Manny Pacquiao. You know? So, again, before Brock
1:26:44
Jarvis, he fought Mario Barrios, who himself
1:26:47
is not the best. I mean, I don't know. I see
1:26:51
it as if old school Keith comes out, then Keith
1:26:56
wins. If it doesn't come out, if Andorra wins,
1:27:00
I don't know. I'm going to watch it. I'm going
1:27:02
to be a junkie. I'm going to watch it. I still
1:27:05
don't think it's just pay -per -view worthy,
1:27:06
especially considering how Richard Torres is
1:27:12
not fighting anymore. Oh, that ruined it for
1:27:15
me. Yeah, that completely ruined it for me. I
1:27:18
don't think it's unfair to look at it that way.
1:27:22
I felt that about it once I saw that the Frank
1:27:26
Sanchez -Richard Torres fight got called off.
1:27:30
I looked at it in the same way. This shit ain't
1:27:33
worth my money anymore. Exactly. Well, you know
1:27:38
what? Unlike you guys, I pay for all boxing very
1:27:42
legally. Well, the thing is, I actually do pay
1:27:46
for all boxing. I legitimately do pay for all
1:27:49
boxing. Are you implying that I don't? Well,
1:27:54
I paid for Canelo's skull. Okay, yeah. A AI -generated
1:28:00
person, you just keep adding proof. I think I'm
1:28:02
just gonna go kill myself. Yeah, there's no real
1:28:05
human who would pay for Canelo's skull. I did.
1:28:08
I also paid for Canelo Berlanga. Okay, that one's
1:28:12
fine, though. We hate Berlanga. Either way, I
1:28:16
just think that this is a Warren Pepp review.
1:28:19
I think Keith Riven still has a chance if he's
1:28:24
not coming, if he comes to the ring semi. Semi
1:28:28
-healed from his usual self. But Sebastian Fundora,
1:28:33
otherwise, I'd like 90 % chance to get him in
1:28:36
the fight. Can't help but agree. Anything more
1:28:40
for the PPC card? Let's go with Fundora. Coachella
1:28:45
boy. All right. We are heading into Moses Itauma
1:28:53
and Sebastian Fundora weekend. Parting words.
1:29:00
Like I just said, let's go Coachella, boy. Let's
1:29:02
go Sebastian Fundura. I hope you win. Keep that
1:29:04
California belt. Honestly, if you watch the TVC
1:29:09
card, but for the rest of the week, you should
1:29:11
be just watching Najee Lopez, Manuel Gallegos
1:29:15
on loop. That would be a better use of your time.
1:29:20
It's the best use of your time if you're watching
1:29:23
boxing. So. That's what I have to say. I imagine
1:29:31
this was on a Wednesday night. That would have
1:29:34
been a lot better. Okay, so I got a really shitty
1:29:39
dad joke question. If the number two pencil is
1:29:43
the most used, why is it still number two? Because
1:29:49
it's a side hole. I put those at the end so that
1:29:56
if you're going to turn off the podcast, you
1:29:58
turn it off at the end. That's going to do it
1:30:02
for this edition of the Boxing B -Sides. Fucking
1:30:08
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1:30:13
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1:30:17
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