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Special Counsel Jack Smith Adds New Charges Against Donald Trump · The Ben Ferguson Podcast

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Speaker 1: Lying in wait.
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Speaker 2: That is apparently what Special Council Jack Smith was doing.
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Speaker 2: This says he was waiting to see what happened with
0:10
Speaker 2: the Hunter Biden plea deal. When that fell apart, he
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Speaker 2: decided to pounce, adding new charges to change the media
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Speaker 2: narrative against Donald Trump. The Special Council Jack Smith brought
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Speaker 2: these new charges against former President Donald Trump in the
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Speaker 2: mar Lago White House document case. Smith has charged Trump
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Speaker 2: with one count a wilful retention of national defense documents
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Speaker 2: and two counts of obstruction. Now, Trump's assistant, who was
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Speaker 2: previously charged in the first round of indictments, also received
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Speaker 2: two new obstruction related charges. Now, this new set of
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Speaker 2: indictments also added another person to the list of those
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Speaker 2: who've been indicted. They have now also charge Carlos di Lavera.
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Speaker 2: He is a Marlago head of maintenance, with altering, destroying, mutilating,
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Speaker 2: or concealing a document. They also have charged him with
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Speaker 2: making false statements and conspiracy to obstruct justice. Now, to
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Speaker 2: be clear, you now have the Special Counsel who is
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Speaker 2: going after a maintenance man in this case. Let that
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Speaker 2: just sink in. The superseding indictment also charges Trump. This
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Speaker 2: maintenance man and his former or his personal assistant, with
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Speaker 2: two new obstruction counts based on allegations that the defendants
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Speaker 2: attempted to delete surveillance video footage at Marlago Club in
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Speaker 2: the summer of twenty twenty two. That is what a
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Speaker 2: statement from the Special Council spokesman Peter Carr said, as
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Speaker 2: CNBC reported it this way, they said, quote, Trump is
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Speaker 2: also newly accused of retaining a classified document detailing a
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Speaker 2: US military plan of attack on Iran, which Trump showed
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Speaker 2: to a writer, publisher, and two staff members at his
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Speaker 2: club in Medminster, New Jersey, on July the twenty first
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Speaker 2: of twenty twenty one. Now, at the time, Trump had
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Speaker 2: not been president for five months, and his guests did
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Speaker 2: not have security clearances quote to view the document. This
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Speaker 2: according to the indictment in the US District Court for
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Speaker 2: the Southern District of Florida. Now, with the additional charges,
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Speaker 2: Trump is now facing forty counts in this criminal case.
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Speaker 2: Trump spokesperson Stephen Chung blasted the US Department of Justice
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Speaker 2: for the new charges, calling it a continued, desperate and
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Speaker 2: failing attempt by the Biden crime family and their Department
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Speaker 2: of Justice to harass President Trump and those around him.
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Speaker 2: They then said, quote, deranged Jack Smith knows that they
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Speaker 2: have no case and is casting about out for any
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Speaker 2: way to salvage their legal witch hunt and to get
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Speaker 2: someone other than Donald Trump to run against crooked Joe Biden.
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Speaker 2: I actually couldn't agree more with that statement from the
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Speaker 2: Trump team. And the reason why I say that is
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Speaker 2: because the timing of this screams, oh crap, we've got
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Speaker 2: Joe Biden in trouble. This plea deal didn't go through.
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Speaker 2: What are we gonna do now? All right, Okay, we
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Speaker 2: got a plan. All right, Let's charge Trump and the
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Speaker 2: maintenance guy at Marlago and the other guy his assistant
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Speaker 2: with even more heinous crimes and that'll change the news cycle,
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Speaker 2: and that will change the narrative. Guess what, it worked.
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Speaker 2: The media completely forgot. And I say that sarcastically, that
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Speaker 2: Joe Biden is in serious trouble now that the whistleblowers
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Speaker 2: have come forward have shown an incredible amount of evidence
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Speaker 2: against the Biden crime family. They needed the narrative to change,
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Speaker 2: needed to give the media something to get it to
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Speaker 2: Donald Trump has also set down with Brightbart News in
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Speaker 2: an interview that they received that they got exclusively with
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Speaker 2: him in New Jersey. And I want you to hear
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Speaker 2: what he had to say in Bedminster, New Jersey during
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Speaker 2: this interview.
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Speaker 3: Listen, before we sat down here, the Special Council put
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Speaker 3: out a superseding indictment. Was What that means is additional
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Speaker 3: charges against you in the document's case, as well as
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Speaker 3: they add in another defendant, the head of maintenance Stone
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Speaker 3: at mar A Lago. What's your I don't know if
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Speaker 3: you've had a chance to review this.
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Speaker 4: Sitting down, this is harassment, this is election interference. I'm
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Speaker 4: protected by the Presidential Records Act totally.
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Speaker 5: It shouldn't even be a case. It's not a criminal case.
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Speaker 4: Where's Biden with all the documents He's got twenty times
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Speaker 4: thirty times the documents I have, and he has not
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Speaker 4: made it easy for them either. They're hiding boxes. There's
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Speaker 4: any boxes to Chinatown. Boxes are being sent to Chinatown.
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Speaker 4: And yet China's paying them millions of dollars. You explained
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Speaker 4: that one and you don't even hear about it. What
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Speaker 4: you hear about is Trump. Now, this is a two
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Speaker 4: tier system of injustice, and that's what we have. We
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Speaker 4: have a sick country. Our country is very sick right now.
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Speaker 4: We have a failing nation. And it's a very sad
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Speaker 4: thing to watch.
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Speaker 3: You've called Jack Smith de range again. If you're an
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Speaker 3: elected president again, he's somebody you would fire.
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Speaker 4: Well, I wouldn't keep them, Jack Smith, Why would I
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Speaker 4: keep them?
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Speaker 5: He is de ranged.
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Speaker 4: Look, he's gone after other people, been overturned unanimously in
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Speaker 4: the Supreme Court. He's destroyed a lot of lives. Lives
7:02
Speaker 4: have been destroyed, and he's destroyed people. He's destroyed lives,
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Speaker 4: and you know, virtually illegally. He was lowest learner in
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Speaker 4: the irs case, which is one of the most egregious abuses.
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Speaker 4: What happened. The government had to apologize to people. Went
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Speaker 4: after Christians. Now, this is a guy, he's a wild man,
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Speaker 4: and I call him deranged. And he's been overturned and
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Speaker 4: he went after the governor of Virginia overturned unanimously. He
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Speaker 4: went after another senator or something. What he's done is
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Speaker 4: just horrible and the abuse of power. It is prosecutorial misconduct.
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Speaker 3: Do you think that this case is the cases that
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Speaker 3: he's bringing against you are going to end up when
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Speaker 3: we look back on them in history, We'll be looking
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Speaker 3: back at them like we look back at his case
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Speaker 3: against Edwards, in his case against Center Edwards as who
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Speaker 3: you're talking about there, or Governor McDonald. And he's done
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Speaker 3: it with people at both parties.
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Speaker 4: I think they'll end up being embarrassment to the Democrats
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Speaker 4: and an embarrassment to our country.
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Speaker 5: And they have lifted my poll numbers.
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Speaker 4: In all fairness, they didn't want to run against me,
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Speaker 4: That's why they did it.
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Speaker 1: They did this so that.
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Speaker 4: I wouldn't get the nomination, and it actually had the
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Speaker 4: reverse effect. It's lifted my numbers. But I was winning
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Speaker 4: anyway by a lot. And now the poles just came
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Speaker 4: out today. I'm winning by like forty points forty five points,
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Speaker 4: and I'm also beating Biden by a lot, and DeSantis
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Speaker 4: or dysanctimonious as I call them, is losing very badly
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Speaker 4: to Biden. I'm winning by a lot to Biden. They
8:30
Speaker 4: don't want to run against me. That's why they did it,
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Speaker 4: and it's had a reverse impact because the public is
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Speaker 4: smart and they see this stuff. And now maybe a
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Speaker 4: January sixth case, I don't know, maybe not too because
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Speaker 4: it's nothing wrong. But what they're doing has been not
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Speaker 4: been received very well by the public because the poll
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Speaker 4: numbers are through the roof. But they did this in
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Speaker 4: order to get me out, and it's incredible because the
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Speaker 4: public gets it and it had the opposite impact.
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Speaker 2: Now, look, I think Donald Trump is right in wrong
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Speaker 2: on his analysis here. I do believe that there is
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Speaker 2: no doubt they want to get rid of him and
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Speaker 2: they want him not to be able to even be
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Speaker 2: president ever again through these charges. I also think that
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Speaker 2: they absolutely want Donald Trump to be the nominee. Democrats
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Speaker 2: truly believe that Donald Trump is the easiest candidate to
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Speaker 2: beat in the field. That's why they're not afraid of
9:24
Speaker 2: him getting the nomination. They want him to get the nomination.
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Speaker 2: A lot of Democrats that I've spoken with have so
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Speaker 2: that to me openly, Look, we want Donald Trump to
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Speaker 2: get the nomination because then we believe after he gets
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Speaker 2: that nomination, he'll be so bogged down legally, right, he'll
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Speaker 2: be in such bad shape legally that he is going
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Speaker 2: to have to At that point he will just you know, lose.
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Speaker 6: It will be.
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Speaker 1: Easier to beat.
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Speaker 2: I disagree with that, Okay, I want to make that clear.
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Speaker 2: I think that Donald Trump has a very good chance
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Speaker 2: to win this thing if he gets the nomination. But
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Speaker 2: I also think that the Democrats understand they can saddle
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Speaker 2: him and get him off his game and get him
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Speaker 2: to focus on this other stuff, then it's going to
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Speaker 2: be game on for them. I want to talk about
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Speaker 2: the aspect of election interference here as well. Is the
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Speaker 2: or are these indictments of Donald J. Trump in essence
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Speaker 2: election interference? Absolutely the fact that his poll numbers went
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Speaker 2: up after the indictment proves that it is election inference.
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Speaker 2: Because election interference means you're changing or altering the normal
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Speaker 2: course of an election, and you're charging some of them
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Speaker 2: with crimes to try to alter and or change an election.
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Speaker 2: This has changed the election for every Republican that's running.
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Speaker 2: This has changed certainly the election for a guy like
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Speaker 2: Ronda Santis. It has changed the election for Donald Trump. Now,
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Speaker 2: it doesn't mean that you're not changing your altering election.
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Speaker 1: I want to make this clear.
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Speaker 2: Sometimes It can be a positive, right, it can backfire
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Speaker 2: on Democrats, or it may not right.
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Speaker 1: We don't know.
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Speaker 2: But what we do know, what we know very very
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Speaker 2: very very very clearly, is that this has altered and
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Speaker 2: changed the election. You look at the timing of these
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Speaker 2: new charges, and everybody that's listening right now can see
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Speaker 2: it's not hard to put all this together that they
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Speaker 2: are trying to alter and change not just the election,
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Speaker 2: but even news cycles.
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Speaker 1: Right, this was probably the worst week we've.
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Speaker 2: Ever had for the Biden crime family with this plea
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Speaker 2: deal falling apart. So immediately this activist special counsel Jack
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Speaker 2: Smith does what he does, Well, Okay, I'll find some
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Speaker 2: other charges to charge Donald Trump with and I'll find
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Speaker 2: some maintenance men to charge with crimes as well. And
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Speaker 2: then when I do that, then we'll get back on
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Speaker 2: track here to destroying and ruin it right and ruining everything.
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Speaker 2: And that's what we'll do. And that's exactly what happened.
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Speaker 2: Like this is how it went down.
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Speaker 5: Now.
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Speaker 2: Donald Trump also had a few hours to think about
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Speaker 2: all of this, and then he talked about the employees
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Speaker 2: that are now being affected, those that are around him
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Speaker 2: just doing their jobs and who now it is very
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Speaker 2: clear they're coming after him and everybody else. And what
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Speaker 2: they're trying to do is they're trying to say to
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Speaker 2: anyone around Donald Trump, run Look. I know people that
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Speaker 2: have decided not to work directly with Donald Trump because
12:32
Speaker 2: they're not willing to take the financial risk. I know
12:35
Speaker 2: people just in the January sixth had to spend four
12:38
Speaker 2: hundred thousand or more on legal fees, even though they
12:42
Speaker 2: basically weren't involved at all in anything to do with
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Speaker 2: January sixth, but they were around it. So therefore they're like,
12:47
Speaker 2: all right, bring them in here, make them lawyer up,
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Speaker 2: and make them play defense, and let's try to break
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Speaker 2: them financially. So there are good men and women that
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Speaker 2: would love to work for the President of the night,
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Speaker 2: i'd say, of America, that are afraid to do it
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Speaker 2: now because it seems like every person around him that
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Speaker 2: they can charge with any crime based on politics, they're
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Speaker 2: willing to do it, including now the maintenance man. So
13:14
Speaker 2: it's not crazy to think this way either, right that, Hey,
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Speaker 2: it's just I can't take the financial risk. Here's what
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Speaker 2: President Trump had to say about the other employees they're
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Speaker 2: now going after.
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Speaker 7: So they went after two fine employees yesterday find people
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Speaker 7: and I don't think they think that the tips or
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Speaker 7: even she's what my tapes that we gave to them,
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Speaker 7: and they basically then say that's not enough. I don't
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Speaker 7: think we would have had a gift. I'm not sure
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Speaker 7: that we would have even had to give it. If
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Speaker 7: these were security tips we handed them over.
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Speaker 1: To them, I doubt we would have.
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Speaker 7: If we wanted to fight that, I doubt we would
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Speaker 7: have had to give it. But regardless, we gave it.
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Speaker 2: So again the president, they're saying, look, we gave them
13:54
Speaker 2: these tapes. They're now saying we altered or changed or
13:56
Speaker 2: tried to lead these tapes. He's like, no, he didn't like.
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Speaker 2: This is what we did. But this is the weaponization
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Speaker 2: reelection campaign. She is absolutely right.
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Speaker 8: Bry in House, do you be conference chair elist Stephonic
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Speaker 8: to comment on this? Congresswoman, So when we look at this,
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Speaker 8: I think the rest of the story every time we
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Speaker 8: report on it is something happens in the legal realm,
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Speaker 8: and Trump gets a bump. Something happens in the legal realm,
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Speaker 8: Trump gets a bump. It's conference chair, do you understand
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Speaker 8: a little bit about what the word that goes into
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Speaker 8: getting everyone reelected?
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Speaker 5: Trump's going into an election.
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Speaker 8: Do you expect this latest news to be a bump
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Speaker 8: to deter donors? What do you expect Trump's supporters and
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Speaker 8: others will react to this?
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Speaker 5: Well, first of.
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Speaker 9: All, the American people see this for what it is,
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Speaker 9: and that is a weaponized Department of Justice that is
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Speaker 9: functioning like a political arm of Joe Biden's re election campaign.
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Speaker 9: And this is on top of the egregious abuse that
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Speaker 9: we've seen these federal agencies going back to twenty sixteen
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Speaker 9: with the fake phony Russia hoax, and think about the
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Speaker 9: amount of just news coverage from the mainstream media that
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Speaker 9: pushed that false narrative. And the other thing that's important,
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Speaker 9: Joey to take into consideration. This is the same week
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Speaker 9: that Hunter Biden. This was a stunning week hunter Biden's
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Speaker 9: immunity agreement.
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Speaker 5: They tried to slip in.
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Speaker 9: Thank goodness, this judge paid attention to every word because
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Speaker 9: they were about to allow Hunter Biden to get away
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Speaker 9: with numerous federal crimes and block him from any future prosecution.
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Speaker 9: So what do I think this means with the polls?
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Speaker 9: You know, President Trump is going to barrel towards a
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Speaker 9: win in this primary election and in the general election
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Speaker 9: as well. There was interesting reporting last night that of
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Speaker 9: the candidates, the one that Joe Biden is most fearful
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Speaker 9: of in his campaign is Donald Trump. And that was
17:33
Speaker 9: not necessarily the case months ago. So what we've seen
17:35
Speaker 9: is this strengthens Donald Trump's political position, and it's because
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Speaker 9: the American people are tired of these weaponized federal agencies
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Speaker 9: and that if your last name is Biden, you get
17:45
Speaker 9: to live by a different set of rules versus if
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Speaker 9: your last name is Trump, you get targeted by these agencies.
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Speaker 2: There's not a single thing that she just said in
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Speaker 2: there that she's not accurate on that she's not correct.
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Speaker 2: It is truly shocking to see what they're willing to
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Speaker 2: do and what they're and and to the links they're
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Speaker 2: willing to go to bring down Americans. Never forget, these
18:07
Speaker 2: are the same people that try to coop attempt on
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Speaker 2: the presidency of the United States of America. They didn't
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Speaker 2: like that the American people chose Donald Trump, and they
18:16
Speaker 2: knew that they were impeaching him over things that they
18:18
Speaker 2: knew were not true. They knew that still Dalcier was
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Speaker 2: a lie. They knew that Russian collusion was a lie.
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Speaker 2: They knew that the everything the second time with Ukraine
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Speaker 2: was wrong. In fact, it was actually against Joe Biden,
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Speaker 2: not against Donald J.
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Speaker 1: Trump.
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Speaker 2: They knew it was all a lie, and they used
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Speaker 2: that lie to impeach a president because they didn't like
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Speaker 2: who you chose. It's as simple as that. They said, no,
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Speaker 2: you're not allowed to choose Donald Trump. And since you
18:45
Speaker 2: screwed this up, and since you chose Donald Trump, we're
18:49
Speaker 2: going to overthrow your vote. We're going to overthrow the
18:51
Speaker 2: will of the people, and we're going to get away
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Speaker 2: with it. And so far they absolutely have gotten away
18:56
Speaker 2: with it. And then they were able to change and
18:58
Speaker 2: alter how the second election went down with COVID, which
19:01
Speaker 2: was brilliant, by the way, on ethical, shady as hell,
19:04
Speaker 2: but brilliant. They said, Aha, we have an opportunity here
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Speaker 2: to change the rules because of lockdowns and change how
19:10
Speaker 2: we do an election, and that worked as well. These
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Speaker 2: people are scumbags at the highest level. They are pure
19:18
Speaker 2: scumbags who are anti American. They're not Democrats, they're communists.
19:23
Speaker 2: Socialists and communists do this. They do this in third
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Speaker 2: world countries. They do this in the Banana Republic. They
19:29
Speaker 2: go after their political opponents. Nelson Mandela is a great
19:33
Speaker 2: example of this. Right, if you can't beat them, arrest them.
19:37
Speaker 2: If you can't beat them, tear them down and destroy
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Speaker 2: their lives forever. Put them in jail. Never forget, they're
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Speaker 2: wanting Donald Trump with these charges to rod in jail.
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Speaker 2: They know how much time he could get for these charges, right,
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Speaker 2: That's why they've charged him with them and charging him
19:56
Speaker 2: with these crimes. He would never see the light of day. Again,
19:59
Speaker 2: there's also another part about this when it comes to security.
20:02
Speaker 2: They would have to secure the president United States of America,
20:05
Speaker 2: so in essence, would be solitary confinement from everybody in
20:09
Speaker 2: the criminal world, right if they put him in jail.
20:11
Speaker 2: And they know that as well, and they love that idea,
20:14
Speaker 2: they love that fact, They love the possibility of that
20:17
Speaker 2: that they could totally isolate the former president United States
20:20
Speaker 2: of America and throw him in prison. There's also a
20:23
Speaker 2: warning here that I also think is a really important
20:26
Speaker 2: point that needs to be talked about. They're trying to
20:28
Speaker 2: warn other people, and this is why they went after
20:31
Speaker 2: the head of maintenance and charge the head of maintenance
20:34
Speaker 2: of these crimes. They know he can't afford a legit
20:37
Speaker 2: legal team. They know this will bankrupt him, charging him
20:40
Speaker 2: with these crimes. They know right now that people are
20:43
Speaker 2: losing their minds. They understand that, they know that people
20:46
Speaker 2: are losing their minds. They know that people are freaking
20:49
Speaker 2: out right now because they're afraid that if he can
20:52
Speaker 2: be at charge of these crimes, then are they going
20:55
Speaker 2: to come after me? Are they going to come after
20:56
Speaker 2: who's next?
20:57
Speaker 1: Right?
20:57
Speaker 2: Like, who's going to be the next person? They come after.
21:02
Speaker 2: Who is the next person. Is there anyone that's off
21:05
Speaker 2: limits for the Democrats will They're saying, don't go work
21:08
Speaker 2: with Donald Trump, don't help Donald Trump, don't spend time
21:12
Speaker 2: with Donald Trump, because if you do, we will come
21:17
Speaker 2: after you forever. We will put any of you that
21:21
Speaker 2: we want to in prison, and you will be in
21:25
Speaker 2: financial ruin even if we don't put you in prison.
21:28
Speaker 2: That's why they're doing this. That's why they did this
21:30
Speaker 2: to General Flynn at the beginning. That's why they did
21:33
Speaker 2: this to everybody else during the Russian collusion, because they
21:37
Speaker 2: wanted to financially bankrupt you and destroy you so you'd
21:39
Speaker 2: finally just say, I give up. I can't work for
21:42
Speaker 2: the president of the United States of America. It's too
21:44
Speaker 2: risky to my life. Now, I said that the media
21:48
Speaker 2: is going to use this, and the narrative is clear, Hey,
21:52
Speaker 2: you stand with Trump, you work with Trump, will ruin
21:55
Speaker 2: your life. NBC News did exactly what, but I just
22:00
Speaker 2: told you they were going to do. NBC News had
22:04
Speaker 2: a conversation between Joyce Vance, who's a former federal prosecutor,
22:09
Speaker 2: and the former White House Press secretary under Joe Biden,
22:11
Speaker 2: Jensaki and they said that the new Trump defendant is
22:18
Speaker 2: basically screwed and has no choice but to flip.
22:21
Speaker 1: Now they're saying this on National TV listen.
22:24
Speaker 10: Really stuck out to you as you read through it,
22:27
Speaker 10: the superseding indeatment.
22:28
Speaker 5: I would say two things stuck out to me.
22:30
Speaker 10: One, it's a whole new scheme with Nolt and de Olivera,
22:35
Speaker 10: and it's very ham handed. They really look like, you know,
22:40
Speaker 10: two bit criminals and as opposed to anything you know,
22:44
Speaker 10: more sophisticated. That's one, But two, the really big thing
22:47
Speaker 10: is de Olivera was just tailor made to be a
22:51
Speaker 10: cooperating witness.
22:52
Speaker 5: He has everything to lose.
22:54
Speaker 10: They came at him hard, and I think what it
22:56
Speaker 10: shows is Jack Smith does not bluff because there's some
23:00
Speaker 10: downsides for him to bringing it now. And I think
23:03
Speaker 10: they came to him and said, look, we've got you
23:06
Speaker 10: with all these false statements, we've got you making these.
23:09
Speaker 5: Other obstructive acts.
23:11
Speaker 10: You better cooperate, and if you say no, we're bringing
23:14
Speaker 10: charges and we're bringing them quickly. And he said no,
23:17
Speaker 10: and they're bringing them quickly. He is someone who it's
23:21
Speaker 10: hard to understand why he wouldn't be cooperating against both.
23:25
Speaker 5: Now to Antrump, he has.
23:27
Speaker 9: So much to lose here, I mean, Joyce, what are
23:29
Speaker 9: your thoughts on that?
23:30
Speaker 5: I mean, clearly they would want him to flip. Do
23:33
Speaker 5: you think he's a likely candidate for that?
23:35
Speaker 9: And what should we be watching for in that regard?
23:38
Speaker 6: So I think Harry's dead on the money here, and
23:41
Speaker 6: your question points that out. Jim, This, Jen, this is
23:44
Speaker 6: a defendant who has almost no.
23:46
Speaker 5: Choice but to flip.
23:48
Speaker 6: He's looking at charges that have twenty year maximums, even
23:52
Speaker 6: though that's not the real world sentencing.
23:54
Speaker 5: He's looking at spending a big.
23:56
Speaker 6: Chunk of time in prison if he goes forward, and
23:59
Speaker 6: it's the final charge against him, this charge where he
24:02
Speaker 6: goes in and talks to agents. They actually visit him
24:05
Speaker 6: in his home. They tell him that he's free to
24:08
Speaker 6: end the interview at any point in time, and then
24:10
Speaker 6: he just lies to them in a bald faced manner
24:13
Speaker 6: about when the boxes and the items from Washington first
24:16
Speaker 6: come down tomorrow Agost. So they have him dead to
24:20
Speaker 6: center if he does not cooperate, and what do they
24:24
Speaker 6: get if he does cooperate. He is putting Trump front
24:28
Speaker 6: and center in this scheme to have obstruct They have
24:32
Speaker 6: Trump wanting to figure out if the videos can be erased.
24:37
Speaker 6: This is so important in showing that this was not
24:40
Speaker 6: an innocuous effort by the former president to hold on
24:43
Speaker 6: to trophies or souvenirs from his time in office, but
24:47
Speaker 6: that he in fact.
24:48
Speaker 5: Knew that what he was doing was wrong.
24:51
Speaker 6: And so if they can obtain de Oliver's cooperation, that's
24:55
Speaker 6: probably the final nail in the coffin on this one.
24:58
Speaker 2: Oh well, there you go, see, don't try is guilty.
25:00
Speaker 2: Everybody go home. It's over right. You just had NBC
25:04
Speaker 2: News say it. This is the final nail in the coffin,
25:09
Speaker 2: right what do they say on CNN? That was NBC.
25:11
Speaker 2: So CNN Aaron Burnette, this is what she said about
25:14
Speaker 2: this right now on the coffin. This guy flips on
25:17
Speaker 2: Donald Trump. He's going to prison. It's game over. That's
25:20
Speaker 2: the NBC analysis. Let's move to CNN. Listen they lay
25:24
Speaker 2: this out again.
25:24
Speaker 11: Employee number four is the director of information technology from
25:27
Speaker 11: mar A Lago, and it does appear this individual cooperated.
25:30
Speaker 11: So the Delavera goes into the IT office, talks to
25:34
Speaker 11: employee number four, takes them to a small room pulls
25:37
Speaker 11: them away from everybody and tells this individual, I want
25:40
Speaker 11: this conversation to remain between the two of us, and
25:43
Speaker 11: asks how many days the server retains the video. The
25:47
Speaker 11: person responds about forty five days, and then Dela Air
25:51
Speaker 11: insisted Trump employee for that. The boss wanted to server
25:53
Speaker 11: to lead and asked, what are we going to do?
25:56
Speaker 5: It's all here, it's all there.
25:59
Speaker 12: I mean, it reads like a spine novel, Like you know,
26:02
Speaker 12: that's what you would what you would do. You would
26:04
Speaker 12: try to get the it guy to wipe out the
26:07
Speaker 12: video footage. I mean, it's just astonishing that this is
26:10
Speaker 12: what Trump wanted to do. He wanted to destroy evidence
26:14
Speaker 12: of a crime. I mean, that's really what this is.
26:16
Speaker 11: And I should not though, Ryan, what I just said
26:18
Speaker 11: is obviously what somebody said. Somebody said, Yes, this is
26:21
Speaker 11: a little different than a text message. But when you
26:23
Speaker 11: add it together with what I just laid out, the dates,
26:25
Speaker 11: the time stamps, the text messages, is this black and white?
26:30
Speaker 7: Oh?
26:30
Speaker 5: Yes?
26:30
Speaker 2: And also there it is put Donald Trump and jail.
26:33
Speaker 2: We've said it's black and white. It's black and white.
26:36
Speaker 2: This is black and white. It's all black and white.
26:38
Speaker 2: Into discussion. Let's throw them in jail. Then you go
26:41
Speaker 2: to CNN during their daytime coverage where they do CNN
26:45
Speaker 2: has on their main person, Murray, who's on these zoo
26:48
Speaker 2: charges against Trump.
26:49
Speaker 1: Listen.
26:50
Speaker 13: So when you dig into what's going on on June
26:53
Speaker 13: twenty fourth, the prosecutors really delve into what transpired on
26:57
Speaker 13: that day. I mean there's almost like a minute by
26:59
Speaker 13: minute breakdown, and you look into this new superseding indictment.
27:02
Speaker 13: So DOJ again sends this new subpoena to the Trump
27:05
Speaker 13: organization attorneys, and around one thirty PM, Trump's attorney tells
27:10
Speaker 13: Trump about the subpoena. Walt Nada, who again is one
27:14
Speaker 13: of these Trump employees, is informed that Donald Trump wants
27:17
Speaker 13: to speak with him. And less than two hours after that,
27:20
Speaker 13: Walt Nada, who travels with Trump, we've seen him traveling
27:23
Speaker 13: with Trump, changes his travel plans, decides to go to
27:26
Speaker 13: Palm Beach instead of traveling with Trump. And he's pretty
27:29
Speaker 13: cagy in when he's talking to people, as you've see
27:32
Speaker 13: in this superseding indictment about the change in plans. He's
27:34
Speaker 13: sending people shushing emojis about his change in plans. Let's
27:38
Speaker 13: go back to the calendar and then look at what
27:41
Speaker 13: happens a few days later. That's when we get into
27:43
Speaker 13: that June twenty seventh timeline where de Olivera is trying
27:47
Speaker 13: to get into more details about what the deal is
27:49
Speaker 13: with the security footage. He learns that it's retained for
27:52
Speaker 13: about forty five days, and this is when he tells
27:55
Speaker 13: another Trump employee that it is the boss who wants
27:58
Speaker 13: it deleted. And so that really is the meat of
28:01
Speaker 13: this sort of scheme to try to attempt to erase
28:04
Speaker 13: the surveillance footage. And if you think about all those
28:06
Speaker 13: boxes moving in and out of the storage room when
28:09
Speaker 13: they're supposed to all be handed over in response to
28:11
Speaker 13: a subpoena, you can see here why prosecutors believe that
28:14
Speaker 13: there was activity that Trump's team wanted to cover up.
28:17
Speaker 1: Guys, So there it is, they've all convicted him.
28:20
Speaker 2: Doesn't this sound exactly like how by the way they
28:23
Speaker 2: covered Russian collusion.
28:24
Speaker 1: Oh we've got on sources. Oh we have this.
28:26
Speaker 2: Oh we heard he was working with this random bank.
28:29
Speaker 2: Oh we know he's guilty. Ol he should go to
28:30
Speaker 2: jail for this. He should go to prison for this.
28:32
Speaker 2: Right like that, these are all the same. It's the
28:35
Speaker 2: same exact playbook with Russian collusion with the same players
28:39
Speaker 2: on TV. You know earlier they had another panel They're like, oh,
28:43
Speaker 2: this is a dangerous moment in American history.
28:45
Speaker 1: Here listen, well if.
28:46
Speaker 14: This is a major breakthrough in this case, And just
28:49
Speaker 14: to refresh our viewers' memories, there is an incident charge
28:52
Speaker 14: in the initial indictment in charge again in this new
28:54
Speaker 14: indictment where Donald Trump is showing people with no security
28:57
Speaker 14: clearance after he's left the White House, people who are
28:59
Speaker 14: writing a book about Mark Meadows. He's ruffling documents and
29:02
Speaker 14: telling them to look at this. He says, I could
29:04
Speaker 14: have declassified when I was in office, but I didn't.
29:08
Speaker 14: And there had been some question, as Caaitln just laid
29:10
Speaker 14: out about whether there was an actual classified document he
29:13
Speaker 14: was showing or whether he was just puffing or exaggerating,
29:16
Speaker 14: And as Kaitlyn said, donald Trump's representative said it was
29:18
Speaker 14: the latter.
29:19
Speaker 5: Now we know that's not true.
29:21
Speaker 14: Now we know the document Donald Trump was showing these
29:24
Speaker 14: people with zero security clearance was an actual, highly classified
29:29
Speaker 14: document that had to do with war plans, and we
29:32
Speaker 14: know DOJ has that document. They've now added a charge
29:35
Speaker 14: against Donald Trump and why this is so important. It
29:38
Speaker 14: is because this is the one incident in the whole
29:40
Speaker 14: indictment where Donald Trump most flagrantly disseminates the information where
29:44
Speaker 14: it's not just sitting in boxes in his bathroom or
29:47
Speaker 14: on the stage at Marlago, which is bad, which is
29:49
Speaker 14: potentially criminal, but it's the one most flagrant incident where
29:53
Speaker 14: he's taking that information and giving it out to somebody.
29:56
Speaker 14: And that's why it's such an important and dangerous moment
29:58
Speaker 14: in this case.
29:59
Speaker 2: Sas dangerous moment in this case. Do you know how
30:02
Speaker 2: dangerous this moment is. This is exactly how they covered,
30:07
Speaker 2: like to a t. I want to make that clear. Okay,
30:11
Speaker 2: this is this is exactly, Okay, exactly how they covered
30:19
Speaker 2: Russian collusion. He was guilty. There was no doubt that
30:24
Speaker 2: this was the final straw. He should be impeached. She's
30:28
Speaker 2: unfit to be commander in chief, he shouldn't have the
30:31
Speaker 2: nuclear codes.
30:32
Speaker 1: He's deranged. Remember all that.
30:36
Speaker 2: Never never, ever, ever, ever ever forget that, right, because
30:40
Speaker 2: that's what they said. That's what they did. Okay, do
30:43
Speaker 2: not ever forget they was deranged. He was he was insane, right,
30:48
Speaker 2: he was totally he was totally deranged. Totally psychotic, totally crazy,
30:52
Speaker 2: never ever ever forget that, and that's what he was,
30:57
Speaker 2: and they stuck with it and they never went away
30:59
Speaker 2: from it, and they said, this is that he was guilty.
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