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Jimmy Kimmel Fired-Was it Right & Should the FCC have Gotten Involved plus Trump Designates ANTIFA a Terrorist Organization · The Ben Ferguson Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome in his Verdicus Center. Teed Cruz ben Ferguson with you.
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  Speaker 1: around the country, and we've got a pack show for you,
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  Speaker 1: including one of your best friends, Senator Jimmy Kimmel.
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  Speaker 2: Get in the boot.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, are you guys gonna have a lot more
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  Speaker 1: time to play basketball now?
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  Speaker 3: Look, Jimmy Kimmel has been canned. He has been suspended indefinitely.
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  Speaker 3: I think that is a fantastic thing. I think Jimmy
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  Speaker 3: Kimmel was putting out garbage for a long long time.
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  Speaker 3: But we're going to break down because they're real questions
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  Speaker 3: about why ABC suspended Jimmy Kimmel and what the role
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  Speaker 3: was of the SCC. The SCC threatened to revoke ABC's licenses.
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  Speaker 3: We're going to break down the First Amendment implications of that.
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  Speaker 3: We're also going to talk about a hearing that happened
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  Speaker 3: this week. Cash Betel, the director of the FBI, testified
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  Speaker 3: before the Senate Judiciary Committee, and I questioned Cash, and
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  Speaker 3: I called on the Trump administration to designate Antifa as
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  Speaker 3: a terrorist or it is, yeah, And in particular, what
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  Speaker 3: I urge the FBI, and the DOJ to do is
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  Speaker 3: follow the money, follow those who are putting money behind
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  Speaker 3: violent protests, riots, acts of violence. And we're also going
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  Speaker 3: to talk about how the fact that within twenty four
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  Speaker 3: hours the Trump administration announced they were doing exactly that,
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  Speaker 3: they were going to designate Antifa as a terrorist organization.
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  Speaker 3: It's the right thing to do. It makes America safer.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's definitely a lot to discuss, and we're going
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  Speaker 1: trial all right now, Centaer, let's go back to how
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  Speaker 1: all this went down so people understand the there's a
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  Speaker 1: lot of misinformation. There's just a lot of lies out there.
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  Speaker 1: Let's just be honest about it. There are a ton
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  Speaker 1: of lies in this one. Jimmy Kimmel went after our
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  Speaker 1: dear friend who was assassinated after him and basically implied
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  Speaker 1: that he's responsible for his own assassination. And oh, by
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  Speaker 1: the way, he was a Trump supporter referring to the assassin.
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  Speaker 1: That is why he got in trouble because he lied.
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  Speaker 1: It's not because of free speech, which some people have complicated.
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  Speaker 1: In a free speech issue, he can say whatever the
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  Speaker 1: hell he wants. It doesn't mean you're gonna keep your job.
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  Speaker 3: Well, let's break this down to several things. Number one,
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  Speaker 3: Jimmy Kimmel had become profoundly unfunny. That there was a time,
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  Speaker 3: I don't't know, fifteen years ago, that he was a
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  Speaker 3: talented comedian. He could be funny, you know. He started
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  Speaker 3: hosting The Man Show with Adam Carolla, and they were
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  Speaker 3: pretty funny back then, and that's how he got a
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  Speaker 3: late night gig. I've been on Jimmy Kimmel. I've done
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  Speaker 3: his show, I've done a show a couple of times.
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  Speaker 3: He can be funny. But then Donald Trump got elected.
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  Speaker 3: And when Donald Trump got elected, it broke late night comedy.
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  Speaker 3: The host of late night comedy, they used to be
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  Speaker 3: able to make fun on both sides. And by the way,
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  Speaker 3: good comedy it ought to make fun of Republicans and Democrats.
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  Speaker 3: It ought to just just laugh and have fun. But
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  Speaker 3: Jimmy Kimmel, just like Stephen Colbert, his brain melted when
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  Speaker 3: Donald Trump came into the White House, and it is
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  Speaker 3: now unwatchable. I've grown up. I've grown up watching S
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  Speaker 3: and L I've grown up watching late night comedy. I
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  Speaker 3: like to laugh, and it is now I don't watch
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  Speaker 3: it anymore. In fact, and I'm not unique. The vast
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  Speaker 3: majority of America doesn't watch it anymore because Jimmy Kimmel
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  Speaker 3: would stand up and just basically scream I hate Donald Trump.
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  Speaker 3: And after a while it's like, yeah, we know, there's
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  Speaker 3: no mystery about it. You're not hiding it. But how
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  Speaker 3: about being a comedian, how about telling a joke? By
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  Speaker 3: the way. You know, when I was first selected to
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  Speaker 3: the Senate thirteen years ago, it was a regular part
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  Speaker 3: of the job to go on late night comedy. And
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  Speaker 3: so I've done Jay Leno, I've done Jimmy Kimmel, I've
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  Speaker 3: done Stephen Colbert, I've done Fallaned. That was part of
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  Speaker 3: the job. Today, none of them zero have any Republicans on.
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  Speaker 3: They will not have them on. They just their entire
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  Speaker 3: show is essentially an infomercial screaming that they hate Donald Trump.
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  Speaker 3: On top of that, Kimmel's numbers had plummeted. So here
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  Speaker 3: are some of the stats. According to Late Nighter in August,
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  Speaker 3: Jimmy Kimmel lost eleven percent of his audience, down to
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  Speaker 3: one point one zero four million viewers. To put that
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  Speaker 3: in perspective, Jimmy Kimmel was getting fewer viewers than we
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  Speaker 3: have Verdict listeners.
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  Speaker 1: So this podcast Congratulations by the way, that's like the
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  Speaker 1: real deal right there.
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  Speaker 3: Like he's on AB see in every television in America,
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  Speaker 3: and Verdict was kicking his ass. Now now, by the way,
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  Speaker 3: we will continue kicking his ass, and I want to
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  Speaker 3: keep continue growing those numbers. But one point one zero
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  Speaker 3: four million viewers. And by the way, in the eighteen
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  Speaker 3: to forty nine demographic, which is the critical demographic for
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  Speaker 3: selling stuff that advertiss care about, Kimmel was down fifteen percent.
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  Speaker 3: Do you know how many viewers eighteen to forty ninety had.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to guess under four hundred thousand.
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  Speaker 3: One hundred and twenty nine thousand. Wow.
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  Speaker 1: So with it's sixteen a report, I think it was
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  Speaker 1: sixteen million dollar year salary.
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  Speaker 3: By the way, for him, Yeah, he was getting paid
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  Speaker 3: a crap ton of money. And to give that in perspective, Colbert,
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  Speaker 3: who was fired, was losing paramount forty million dollars a year.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: ABC has not made their numbers public, so we don't
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  Speaker 3: know what the numbers were. But Kimmel had lost even
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  Speaker 3: more viewers than Colbert, So you have to assume he
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  Speaker 3: was losing ABC even more money than Colbert was doing.
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  Speaker 3: So he was a train wreck. He was a disaster.
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  Speaker 3: He was unfunny, and he was also bitter and nasty,
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  Speaker 3: and he lied about Charlie Kirk.
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  Speaker 1: All right, Sanata, I want to go back to what
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  Speaker 1: you were saying a moment ago. And one of the
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  Speaker 1: interesting things about Kimmel that I do want to break
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  Speaker 1: down is so many on the left screaming this is
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  Speaker 1: cancel culture. It is not cancel culture. He said something dumb.
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  Speaker 1: I also think though, that ABC News was looking for
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  Speaker 1: a reason to get out for what you just described,
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  Speaker 1: which is you don't have anybody watching the revenues down.
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  Speaker 1: The guy's making sixteen million dollars a year, and so
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  Speaker 1: this was a perfect opportunity to say, hey, we can
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  Speaker 1: get out of this with reason.
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  Speaker 2: Here.
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  Speaker 1: Page six is even saying they even asked him if
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  Speaker 1: you gave some money and made a donation and apologized,
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  Speaker 1: and apparently he was saying, I won't do it. That's
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  Speaker 1: what they're reporting tonight as well, is that they're saying, hey,
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  Speaker 1: you know, he's like, no, I'm not going to apologize
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  Speaker 1: the Kirk family. So it gave them even an easier
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  Speaker 1: ability to get rid of him and can this thing.
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  Speaker 3: Early look, unquestionably, ABC was hemorrhaging money. This was a
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  Speaker 3: smart business decision, but also what Jimmy Kimmel said was
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  Speaker 3: reprehensible and I want you to listen to it. I
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  Speaker 3: want you to if you're watching online, I want you
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  Speaker 3: to watch. This is the monologue that got Jimmy Kimmel fired.
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  Speaker 3: Give a listen.
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  Speaker 4: We hit some new lows over the weekend with the
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  Speaker 4: Magga Gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered
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  Speaker 4: Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them and
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  Speaker 4: do everything they can to score political points from and
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  Speaker 4: in between the finger pointing, there was grieving. On Friday,
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  Speaker 4: the White House flew the flags at half staff, which
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  Speaker 4: got some criticism, but on a human level, you can
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  Speaker 4: see how hard the president is taking this back.
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  Speaker 5: Adult's got a latting your friend, Charlie Kirk asked sir personally,
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  Speaker 5: how are you holding up over.
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  Speaker 3: The last day and a half served, I think very good.
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  Speaker 3: And by the way, right there, you see all the trucks.
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  Speaker 3: They just started construction of the new ball room for
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  Speaker 3: the White House.
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  Speaker 2: Which is something they've been trying to get.
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  Speaker 3: As you know, for about one hundred and fifty years,
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  Speaker 3: and it's going to be a beauty. Yes, he's at the.
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  Speaker 4: Fourth stage of grief construction.
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  Speaker 3: Demolition construction.
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  Speaker 4: This is not how an adult grief's the murder of
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  Speaker 4: somebody called a friend.
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  Speaker 3: This is how a four year old mourns a goldfish.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, by the way, so people understand context. There the
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  Speaker 1: reporting out of the White House, and you have talked
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  Speaker 1: to you have said that the present was gutted over
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  Speaker 1: the assassination of Charlie Kirk. It was pretty clear he
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  Speaker 1: did not want to talk about it right then, and
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  Speaker 1: as he was outside.
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  Speaker 3: It's not like reporters are a therapists.
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  Speaker 1: Right, yeah, I mean it was obvious he didn't want
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  Speaker 1: to go there at that moment, and so he.
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  Speaker 3: And let me say, Ben, the thing to understand about
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  Speaker 3: Jimmy Kimmel what he just said there, there's a technical
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  Speaker 3: term for that. It's called a lie. So he stood
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  Speaker 3: up and said, the murderer of Charlie Kirk was a
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  Speaker 3: Maga Republican.
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  Speaker 2: YEP.
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  Speaker 3: That is flat out false. That is a brazen lie.
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  Speaker 3: And we talked about this our last podcast. If you
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  Speaker 3: didn't listen to our last podcast, you should go back
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  Speaker 3: and listen to it. I went on CNN with Caitlin
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  Speaker 3: Collins and she fought me like crazy. We don't know
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  Speaker 3: what the motive of this guy is. This murderer, this
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  Speaker 3: assassin was a left wing radical. He was an Antifa activist.
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  Speaker 3: He was a transgender activist. He was living with a
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  Speaker 3: transgender man transitioning to be a woman. That transgender man
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  Speaker 3: was his boyfriend. He wrote on the bullets Antifa and
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  Speaker 3: transgender slogans. He hated Charlie Kirk. He admitted all of this.
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  Speaker 3: It is unequivocal. This is a hardcore leftist and I
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  Speaker 3: got to say it is amazing. The vast majority of
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  Speaker 3: Democrats today believe Charlie Kirk's murderer was a maga Republican
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  Speaker 3: because the media is corrupt and they are lying. When
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  Speaker 3: I was on CNN with Caitlyn Collins, she refused to
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  Speaker 3: acknowledge that because CNN is lying to their viewers, MSNBC
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  Speaker 3: is lying to their viewers. And Jimmy Kimmel stood up
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  Speaker 3: with his measley one point one million viewers and lied
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  Speaker 3: to them. They said this murderer was a maga Republican. Now, ABC,
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  Speaker 3: theoretically ABC News is a news organization. They should not
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  Speaker 3: be in the business of lying to Americans, and Jimmy
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  Speaker 3: Kimmel shamelessly lied to them because he has a political agenda.
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  Speaker 1: Truth be damned, and I think it's top to bottom.
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  Speaker 1: So people understand this, And I'll give you example. The
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  Speaker 1: view on ABC is actually, I'm pretty sure if I
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  Speaker 1: remember correctly, under the news division, Kimmel is under like
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  Speaker 1: that in general, I think entertainment, but under their news.
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  Speaker 2: If you want to know how much is he entertained? Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: right exactly.
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  Speaker 1: But if you want to know how much propaganda machine
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  Speaker 1: ABC News is, this is just example. It's a small example,
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  Speaker 1: but it's a powerful one. In twenty twenty five, the
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  Speaker 1: viewers had one hundred and two liberal guests on and
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  Speaker 1: not one single Republican guest.
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  Speaker 3: But by the way, to be clear, Ben, I've been
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  Speaker 3: on the View multiple times, so I've written to date
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  Speaker 3: four books. For my second book, they had me on.
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  Speaker 3: For my third book, they had me on now, particularly
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  Speaker 3: for the third book. We got into it. It was
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  Speaker 3: a hell of a scrape. Whoopy Goldberg and the other
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  Speaker 3: cackling hosts of the View insist.
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  Speaker 2: The nicest way it's ever been put.
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  Speaker 3: By the way, did I refrained myself. Look, i gotta
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  Speaker 3: say I'm on good behavior because I went through like
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  Speaker 3: nine different nouns, and I just went with hosts.
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  Speaker 2: I like it well done.
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  Speaker 3: But but Whoopy insisted, She said, violence is only a
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  Speaker 3: right wing phenomenon. I said, well, what about the Antifa
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  Speaker 3: and the Black Lives Matter riots all over the country
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  Speaker 3: that burned cities across America. And she looked at me
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  Speaker 3: housewives that watch that show, that are lied to every
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  Speaker 3: in the view again, and they said no, thank you,
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  Speaker 3: like like you picked her now, we cannot have. We
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  Speaker 3: are in the business of lying to our viewers, and
• 14:43
  Speaker 3: when you come on, you make it really hard to
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  Speaker 3: lie to our viewers because you actually bring up facts
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  Speaker 3: and substance and and and we're just not good enough
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  Speaker 3: to lie in the face of facts and substance. So
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  Speaker 3: that's who they are.
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  Speaker 2: That's who they are.
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  Speaker 1: It's funny you mentioned Kaylen Collins in your interview just
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  Speaker 1: just if you miss did it's up on social media.
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  Speaker 1: I actually think that you should do more of these
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  Speaker 1: because the number of viral clips. So now that came
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  Speaker 1: out of you going on with caateon Collins and people
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  Speaker 1: seeing your grand debate with her, which is an important one,
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  Speaker 1: and calling her out for saying we don't know the
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  Speaker 1: motive in the death of the assassination of Charlie Kirk
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  Speaker 1: is one that now has just exploded. And afterwards, I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: you know what, it may be worth it for you
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  Speaker 1: to do this like every week because then you get
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: to call them out every week and they are held
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  Speaker 1: accountable because otherwise they just go on TV and they
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  Speaker 1: just lie.
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  Speaker 3: Well, understand, Jimmy Kimmel was fired because number one, he's
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  Speaker 3: not funny. Number two, he was losing ABC massive amounts
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  Speaker 3: of money, and number three, he flat out lied an
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  Speaker 3: incredibly important issue, which is who the murder of Charlie
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  Speaker 3: Kirk was.
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  Speaker 1: All right, so let's get to this issue center about
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: the FCC. They've gotten involved in this. This is I
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: want to be clear, I believe it's it's controversial. It
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: concerns me and you and I actually really haven't talked
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: about this much, so I genuinely want to know what
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: you think about this. I don't like people tipping the
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: scales and pushing too hard, and let me explain why,
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: because if we do it, they're gonna do it when
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: they get back in power. And we know the ebbs
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: and flows of politics. This is something I don't like it.
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: I don't want anyone getting censored. I do not want
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: it because it will happen to conservatives. Yes, and it
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: will happen ten times harder than what we're talking about
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: right now. And that's just my hot take on it.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: But I think it's an important when this is literally
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: what I do for a living, I don't want one
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: cutting me down and what I do for a living
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: or free speech.
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you and I have not talked about this before
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: doing the podcast, but I'm not surprised that we're on
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: the same page. I want to play because a lot
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: of the media is very much focused on this, particularly
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: the left wing media. But Brendan Carr is the chairman
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: of the Federal Communications Commission. He did an interview with
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: Benny Johnson. Benny's a friend of ours. He's a great guy,
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: but he leaned in hard on Jimmy Kimmel, and he
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: threatened government retaliation for what Kimmel said. So I want
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: you to give a listen to this interview and then
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: we're going to talk about it.
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  Speaker 6: I think this is an isolated incident.
• 19:30
  Speaker 5: I mean, you go back to Representative Swallwell, he had
• 19:32
  Speaker 5: a tweet out last week where he was saying that,
• 19:35
  Speaker 5: you know, emphasizing that Charlie Kirks killer was a straight
• 19:38
  Speaker 5: white male from a Republican family that voted for Donald Trump.
• 19:41
  Speaker 6: In some quarters, there's a very concerted.
• 19:44
  Speaker 5: Effort to try to lie to the American people about
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: the nature, as you indicate it, one of the most
• 19:51
  Speaker 5: significant newsworthy public interest acts that.
• 19:56
  Speaker 6: We've seen in a long time.
• 19:58
  Speaker 5: In what appears to be an action, appears to be
• 20:01
  Speaker 5: an action by Jimmy Kimmel to play into that narrative
• 20:07
  Speaker 5: that this was somehow a maga or Republican motivated person.
• 20:13
  Speaker 5: If that's what happened here with his conduct, that is
• 20:16
  Speaker 5: really really sick. And I've been very clear from the
• 20:18
  Speaker 5: moment that I have become chairman of the FCC, I
• 20:22
  Speaker 5: want to reinvigorate the public interest and what people don't
• 20:25
  Speaker 5: understand is that the broadcasters, and you've gotten this right,
• 20:28
  Speaker 5: are entirely different than people that use other forms of communication.
• 20:32
  Speaker 5: They have a license granted by us at the FCC,
• 20:35
  Speaker 5: and that comes with it an obligation to operate in
• 20:39
  Speaker 5: the public interest. And we can get into some ways
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: that we've been trying to reinvigorate the public interest and
• 20:43
  Speaker 5: some changes that we've seen. But frankly, when you see
• 20:46
  Speaker 5: stuff like this, I mean, look, we can do this
• 20:48
  Speaker 5: the easy way or the hard way.
• 20:50
  Speaker 6: These companies can.
• 20:51
  Speaker 5: Find ways to change conduct, to take action frankly on
• 20:56
  Speaker 5: Kimmel or you know there's gonna be additional work for
• 20:59
  Speaker 5: the FCC ahead.
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  Speaker 7: What kind of action would you see? At the very least,
• 21:04
  Speaker 7: would like to have an on air apology from Jimmy Kimmel,
• 21:09
  Speaker 7: to the Kirk family, to all of those who he
• 21:13
  Speaker 7: slandered because he did say that Charlie Kirk. He is
• 21:16
  Speaker 7: effectively saying that our movement did this, our movement killed Charlie,
• 21:20
  Speaker 7: that Charlie was deserving of this effectively, and we've seen
• 21:24
  Speaker 7: that rear its head. This happens quite regularly actually on
• 21:29
  Speaker 7: MSNBC and on other networks where they're trying to victim blame.
• 21:34
  Speaker 7: And what that does, mister Chairman, respectfully, is continues the
• 21:38
  Speaker 7: lie and continues the threat level to say effectively that
• 21:45
  Speaker 7: we have no share in this problem at all. On
• 21:49
  Speaker 7: the left. This is a clear cut case. What would
• 21:52
  Speaker 7: you like to see done at ABC?
• 21:54
  Speaker 5: Well, look, I think what you said there strikes me
• 21:57
  Speaker 5: as a very reasonable minimal step that can be taken.
• 22:00
  Speaker 6: I mean, obviously, look, there's calls for kim will be fired.
• 22:04
  Speaker 5: I think you know, you could certainly see a path
• 22:07
  Speaker 5: forward for suspension over this. And again, you know, the
• 22:11
  Speaker 5: FCC is going to have remedies that we could look at.
• 22:14
  Speaker 6: And again you know we may ultimately be called to
• 22:16
  Speaker 6: be a judge on that.
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, no. Look, look, I like Brendan Carr.
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: He's a good guy. He's the chairman of the FCC.
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: I work closely with him. But what he said there
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: is dangerous as hell uh on.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: For people that are listening, because this is going to
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: be quote controversial. So I want to make sure we
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: explain it clearly. When you say no and it's dangerous,
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: explain and run this out the slippery slope that this
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: can open, so that people understand why we're saying it.
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: So the Federal Communication Commission is in charge of granting
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: broadcast licenses, So ABC, NBCCBS they have licenses from the FCC.
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: It is true that understatute they're required to be in
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: the public interest. What he is saying is Jimmy Kimmel
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: was lying. That's true. He was lying, and he is
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: lying to the American people. Is not in the public interest.
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: And so he threatens explicitly, We're gonna cancel ABC's license.
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: We're gonna take him off the air, so ABC cannot
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: broadcast anymore. And I gotta say, he threatens it. He says,
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: we can do this the easy way, Oh, we can
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: do this the hard way.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: And I got to say, that's right out of Good Fellows.
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: That that that that that's right out of a mafioso
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: coming into a bar going nice bye, you have here.
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: It'd be a shame of something happened to it. And
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: I got to say, look, I understand, Jimmy Kimmel has
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: mocked me so many times I cannot count. The corporate media.
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: They are dishonest, they are liars. I hate what Jimmy
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: Kimmel said. I am thrilled that he was fired but
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: let me tell you, if the government gets in the
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: business of saying say what you the media have said,
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: We're going to ban you from the airwaves if you
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: don't say what we like. That will end up bad
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: for conservatives. It reminds me of you and I are
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: both fans of the Lord of the Rings Jarr R. Tolkien.
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: It reminds me of like the Ring of Power, and
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: it is so attractive. It's sort of like conservatives saying, wait, wait,
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: if we have government, we have power, we can ban
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: the media. Let me tell you what will happen going
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: down this road. There will come a time when a
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: Democrat wins again, wins the White House.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: They will get rid of every Democrats see me speak
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: it's a conservative. They'll get rid of every podcast so
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: get rid of it.
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: They will silence us. They will use this power and
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: they will use it ruthlessly, and that is dangerous. And
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: by the way, in the Biden administration, they tried to
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: go after and revoke Fox license because they didn't like
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: and they say everything they say on Fox's hate speech.
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: I'm sure they say everything you and I say it's
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: hate speech, is misinformation. They've defined anything counter to the
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: leftist narrative as misinformation. Now, we just talked about Jimmy
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: Kimmel was lying. But you know what, it's interesting Brendan said, well, gosh,
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: they slandered They slandered Charlie Kirk and his family. You
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: know what, if they slandered him, there's already a remedy.
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: There's a remedy of defamation. ABC could be sued and
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: by the way, you get a defamation lawsuit, you could
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: pay millions of dollars. Let that process play out. I
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: think it is unbelievably dangerous for government to put itself
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: in the position of saying, we're going to decide what
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: speech we like and what we don't, and we're gonna
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: threaten to take you off air if we don't like
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: what you're saying. And it might feel good right now
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: to threaten Jimmy Kimmel, Yeah, but when it is used
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: to silence every conservative in America, we will regret it.
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: And so again, I like Brendan Carr, but we should
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: not be in this business. We should denounce it. It's fine
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: to say what Jimmy Kimmel said was deplorable, it was disgraceful,
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: and he should be off air. But we shouldn't be
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: threatening government power to force him off air. That's a
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: real mistake.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: Senator.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: I want to get to something else that happened earlier
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: this week, and that was the questioning of the FBI Director,
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: Cash Battel. You had the opportunity to talk with Cash
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: on a number of different issues. Obviously one of them
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: that was in front of mine was the assassination of
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: our friend Charlie kirk Well.
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: Absolutely so this week Cash Battel, the Director of the FBI,
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: testified in front of the Senate Judiciary Committee, and I
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: took the opportunity to question on a number of topics,
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: but front and center to urge Cash Battel to follow
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: the money, and in particular to go after Antifa and
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: to designate Antifa as a terrorist organization. Here's the exchange
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: Cash that I had. Give a listen. I want to
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: encourage you, in the course of this investigation. Absolutely go
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: after anyone who ate it and abedded, but I want
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: to more broadly encourage you follow the money. The violence
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: we are seeing is not purely organic. There is I believe,
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: significant money that is spreading dissension, that is spreading violence. Antifa.
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: Do you believe Antifa is a terrorist organization.
• 27:39
  Speaker 8: I believe Antifa is associated with a lot of violence
• 27:42
  Speaker 8: in this country. As to its designation, I'll leave that
• 27:44
  Speaker 8: to the appropriate authorities.
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: So I would encourage the administration to designate Antifa as
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: a terrorist organization to go systematically after Antifa. They committed
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: acts of violence all over the country, and the shell
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: casings have multiple references to slogans that Antifa has popularized.
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: I believe there is considerable money funding it. I would
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: note that I've introduced legislation called the Stop Funders Act.
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: Stop Funders Act would add rioting to the list of
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: predicate offenses under RICO. I believe the money should be
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: fuck should be tracked and prosecuted under RICO. And both
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: the Antifa and Black Lives Matter riots of a couple
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: of years ago and the pro open border riots in
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: Los Angeles and other cities of this past year, I
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: believe there was significant money behind those riots. I'm not
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: the only person who noticed at the anti Semitic protest
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: and violent protests on college campuses that many of the
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: tents all matched, and so I would ask, would it
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: aid your ability to prosecute these matters? If Congress passed
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: into law the Stop Funders Act, and if rioting was
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: added to the list of predicate offenses for Rico. Yes,
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: talk to me about the efforts of the FBI to
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: go after the funders of the anti Semitic protests on
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: college campuses, the pro open border protests in cities, and
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: potential LGBT violence. Talk to me about the efforts to
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: go after the money of those who are funding and
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: promoting violence.
• 29:26
  Speaker 8: As I've always said, Senator, money doesn't lie, and we've
• 29:28
  Speaker 8: been following the money. And so that's what we're doing,
• 29:30
  Speaker 8: issuing lawful process to organizations involved with criminal activity because
• 29:34
  Speaker 8: the money's got to come from somewhere and it has
• 29:36
  Speaker 8: to be funded somehow. So we have extensive investigations ongoing
• 29:39
  Speaker 8: into numerous organizations that are related to violent criminal activity.
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: Cutting off the money will make America much safer, and
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: that is the core job of the FBI. And I
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: thank you for doing your job.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: Now you look at what you just said there in
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: the back and forth, Cenator, and this turned very quickly
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: into a new policy from the Trump administration as well.
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: That is the best news coming out of this.
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
• 30:05
  Speaker 5: So.
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: This testimony was on Tuesday, The very next day, President
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: Trump announced he was doing what I was calling for,
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: which is designating Antifa as a terrorist organization. I'm going
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: to read to you from Fox News. President Donald Trump
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: on Wednesday announced he will designate Antifa, a left wing
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: activist group, a major terrorist organization. Trump described the group
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: as quote a sick, dangerous, radical left disaster in a
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: truth social announcement, The president added that he will be
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: strongly recommending that those funding Antifa be thoroughly investigated incordance
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: with the highest legal standards and practices. The announcement comes
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: just days after Trump said he would one hundred percent
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: consider the designation. Speaking to reporters in the Oval Office Monday,
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: Trump accused Antiva participants of being quote professional agitators in
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: response to the administration's recent crackdown on illegal immigration. Quote
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: Antifa is terrible, the President said, these aren't protests. These
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: are crimes that they're doing. They're throwing bricks at cars
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: of the Ice and Border Patrol. They're professional agitators. They
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: should be put in jail. What they're doing in this
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: country is really subversive. And I will say this goes
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: right to the heart of a distinction that I've tried
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: to lay it out layout repeatedly, which is free speech
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: is protected. You can say things that are vile, that
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: are hateful, that are horrible, that we hate, and the
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: First Amendment protects it. Conduct is not protected when you
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: engage in violence, it is not protected. What Antifa is doing,
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: engaging in violence, engaging in harassment, engaging in threats. That
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: is not protected. And so what I urge cash betel,
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: follow the money, go after the money. And look, I
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: believe there's money that is coming from foreign nations. There's
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: money that's coming from Cutter, there's money that's coming from Iran,
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: there may be money coming from communist China. And there's
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: also money coming from the gazillionaire left wing funders of
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: the Democrat Party, people like George Soros at his entire organization,
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: that are funding these radical organizations. And it's one thing
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: to go and prosecute the individual criminals. We should do that, sure,
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: but if you want to solve the problem, it's why
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: I've introduced the legislation, the Stop Funders Act, because RICO
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: is an incredibly powerful tool to prosecute not just an
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: individual defendant, but a criminal organization, and criminal organizations are
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: usually structured with a hub and spokes, and so following
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: the money is how you get the people writing checks
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: that are sitting in their Manhattan penthouses funding the anti American,
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: anti Israel, communist jihadist agitators that are destroying this country.
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: And so I got to say I was really encouraged.
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: I've been pressing in the first Trump administration. I pressed
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: for years for the first Trump administration to designate Antifa
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: as a terrorist organization. There was a lot of openness
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: to that argument, but it never succeeded. They never did
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: it this time. When I pressed on Tuesday, the next day,
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: the President came out and said, We're going to do that.
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: That's exactly the right thing to do.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it is big, it's going to be really important.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: It's going to have a huge impact going forward. That
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: may be the best part of all. And of course,
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: you know you're doing something right when the left is
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: leasing their mind. They're saying, oh, this is the president
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: trying to silence political organizations. I'm sorry, they're not a
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: political organization terrorist organization. There's a big difference between a
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: political organization and a terrorist organization, and Antifa has all
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: the markings.
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: As you described to.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: Have a terrorist organization going all the way back to
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: twenty sixteen when your first we're calling for this.
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: If you engage in violence, it is not speech. Violence
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: is not speech. And by the way, one who commits
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: violence should be prosecuted and go to jail. And that's
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: true whether you're left wing or right wing. I might
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: agree with what you're saying, but if you engage in violence,
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: that is not acceptable. Speech is different from violence. We
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: have to protect speech and we how to prosecute violence
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: that put the violent criminals in jail.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: Amen to that.
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