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#148 - Shame Isn’t the Problem, It’s the Map With Jessica Fern and David Cooley
What if shame isn’t something to eliminate…fix…or outgrow? What if shame is actually information…a map pointing toward what matters most? In Part 1 of this powerful two-part conversation, Ryan sits down with therapist and author Jessica Fern and restorative relationship facilitator David Cooley to explore how shame operates inside us, why it becomes invisible, and how it quietly shapes our relationships, productivity, self-worth, and sense of agency. This episode introduces their groundbreaking framework, The Shame Triangle, a parts-based model rooted in Internal Family Systems (IFS) that…
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