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Rating today's best and some hypothetical matchups among the besn't · Boxing B-Sides

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  Watch the headbutts and elbows. No rabbit punches, no low blows. This will not be a
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  clean fight, so protect yourself at all times. The underdogs are coming for the throne. This
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  is the B-Sides Boxing Podcast. We're fucking going. We'll do it live. We'll do it fucking
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  live. Got my Bill O'Reilly going on there. Okay. Imagine that shit B-Sides in your feed
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  twice in the same week. We're going to try doing something a little different today.
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  Less current events and a little bit more broader concept, conceptual discussion. So
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  I will make half of an ass of myself as usual. Okay, so I'm joined by my good buddy Drip
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  here. It's Drip, not Drip here, you know. But hey. Okay, cool. So we have on our website,
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  we started putting together more readable content and motherfuckers love lists for some
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  reason. So I polled Discord, got about 10 answers. 10 good responses. One like clown.
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  And so I put us together a little pound for pound list based on the regulars in Discord.
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  So let's have a chat about that for just a little bit.
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  Yeah, let's dive into it.
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  Alright, so Ushaket number one. Surprise? No surprise.
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  No surprise. No surprise there.
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  Yeah, I would even if like we're looking at just intra heavyweight, I'd still rate him
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  over Tyson Fury. It might be because I really don't like him.
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  You know, I just, I can't put Tyson Fury in any pound for pound and that's a hot take.
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  Only one response had him anywhere and it was number eight.
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  Even that's like this, I feel generous.
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  Yeah, it feels it. It does seem a little generous. Given his like recent body of work, even including
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  Deontay Wilder a little bit.
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  I just think when you fight Chizora, what was it three times already? It's like, how does
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  that get you a spot on half a pound?
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  It's not at all to say he's not a good boxer, not a good heavyweight. That's it's just he's
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  I think Ushaket is a lot better.
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  The skill is there, but I just don't think the...
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  Size disparity?
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  I just don't think the heart is in it. Like he's very, he's very meticulous on not always
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  say like who he fights, but it kind of comes down to that. Like the recent duck with Ushaket,
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  I mean, look, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck. It was a duck.
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  Yeah, for sure.
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  And it's like when you do that and you get that kind of backlash from like, I guess your
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  fans are now ex fans. Like where do you really see yourself now in the boxing? The former
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  boxing was pretty much...
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  Yeah. All right, let's move down to number two. Just fought recently against John Ryder.
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  Canelo, number two.
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  No surprise.
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  Yeah, not too surprised to see him here either. Another Brit bites the dust.
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  Was it the Brit basher they call him now?
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  Is that what it is?
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  I think Eddie Hearns said that he's called him the Brit basher or some shit.
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  I got a...
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  The name's fitting.
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  I want to try to think of something that is like Mexicutioner. I'm still salty about that.
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  I'm a big Canelo fan, but whether you're a fan or not, you really just can't deny the
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  work he's put in. He did four fights, was it, in 2021 or 22 to get the undisputed super
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  middleweight.
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  22.
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  Yeah, it's like, who really does all that in a year? You know what I'm saying?
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  Yeah. No, it was 21. That's when he was trying to make up time for COVID.
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  Right, right. Yeah. I think he beat Plant in what was that, like September?
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  September of 22 was Golovkin.
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  Right, right. I'll do that pathetic fight. That was bad.
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  Yeah, that was bad for everybody.
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  But I feel like that fight, everyone kind of started bringing up the topic of the deep
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  line of Canelo, but I feel like that's a whole topic for another day.
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  It is. That's something that we might bring up, like work stuff.
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  We can definitely get into it because I think it's a hot topic right now, just in boxing
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  in general.
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  Yeah, absolutely. So yeah, this is actually a good time to discuss it better than any,
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  or as good as any. So John Ryder goes all 12, two rounds, Canelo scores a knockdown.
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  John Ryder starts leaking in, was it like round two?
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  Yeah, I think round two or three started leaking.
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  Yeah, he was, and that was a lot of blood coming out of his nose. That was, I've seen
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  some bad like nose breaks, but holy shit, that was pretty rough.
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  Yeah. I mean, some of the articles I read were that he couldn't breathe through his
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  nose, so he was just breathing through his mouth while swallowing blood. I mean, that
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  just makes the fight two times harder.
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  Absolutely. And the elevation was a problem for him too. I know that he went to LA, but
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  that's not the same thing.
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  Not at all.
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  So John Ryder has like every disadvantage and he still goes a distance. It looked to
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  me that Canelo gassed about round nine. It's not unusual for him to do so, especially when
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  he like really puts it on in the mid rounds trying to get the stoppage like he did against
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  Ryder. So he can't fault him too much for that, I think. But nonetheless, like that,
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  him putting the pedal to the metal there, it did not yield the results that we expect.
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  He got the knockdown. Ryder looked like he would have stayed down. Obviously he got up,
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  continued fighting, but he was on his knee and he was like looking to his corner, like
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  do we want to keep doing this? Or like, I'm good either way. If we want to duck out early,
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  I'm cool.
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  Yeah, just get the payday and bounce. I think the second knockdown was ruled a slip, wasn't
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  it?
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  Or am I tripping? No, I think it was definitely ruled a slip or if he fell over his feet or
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  something.
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  There was a slip in there, yeah.
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  Yeah, but I mean, either way, like the cards were against him. I mean, that's the thing
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  too, like when you fight Canelo, literally the cards are always going to be against you,
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  unless you're Bevel. But the cards are always against you. Everything's not in your favor.
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  So for John Ryder to even still go the distance, only breathing through his mouth, probably
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  swallowing a fuck ton of blood. I mean, it kind of paints a picture of like, all right,
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  who's Canelo fight next? And like, you know, how does it go? Like if it's um...
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  He really wants Bevel. He wants Bevel next is what he keeps saying. Yeah, he was saying
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  in the post fight, like I want it, I want to run back Bevel, 175, he can pick the location,
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  size of the gloves or like all the stipulations, same stipulations that we had before, I want
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  to do it again.
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  Dude, that reminds me, I saw a comment about Bevel just like commenting on Cal, one of
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  the rematch and he had like kind of like a stark ear mark a little bit. I'm trying to
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  find it real fast. There was something about how like, Bevel, if he fought him at 168,
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  it'd be better for Bevel because that way he could take his belts and he was saying
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  how like, if he fights him again at 175, what's the challenge for him?
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  That's true. That was at a... almost, it was in the immediate aftermath of the first fight,
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  that's when he said that, was like, because he said like, I walk around about 180, so
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  getting down to 68, it's not going to be a problem for me. Right. So there you like,
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  I would, I think that would actually make it a little bit more intriguing. It would
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  make it more competitive, but I still would favor Canelo with that, especially after just
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  like the Triple G fight and now the John Rider fight. I just don't have high favors no matter
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  what weight is in that Canelo beats Bevel. In the weeks leading up to and the immediate
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  post-fight shows that we did, including our MMA show, we talked about specifically David
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  Morrell and David Benavides. Those two guys are both like number one contenders with interim
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  and regular belts. So those guys are first in line and Ryder was also an interim, like
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  a mandatory number one contender. So those two guys are like, they're not John Ryder.
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  John Ryder is absolutely not on this level. John Ryder, I just, I had to say it like just
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  a gatekeeper. He's pretty mid, super mid. He's the same way, like I was kind of saying
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  how Kayla Plant is. He's just going to be like right now a high paid gatekeeper. Probably
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  not going to win a title ever, but just be a million dollar gatekeeper. That's where
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  it comes down to.
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  Yeah. For the exercise that we have coming up in a little bit, Ryder is included in part
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  of that. Yeah, because like he's, cause he is that, that level of guy. Plant is in the
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  same conversation. So let's move down here to number three. We got Terrence Crawford.
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  That's always a hot topic too. I know. I put in the blurb that like, this is not my choice
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  of the top, of the top two welterweights that we have of the current generation. He's not
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  my favorite. I don't think, I think that he is the second best, which is considering who
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  you're up against. That's not at all a fault. That's not a demerit to be second best.
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  No, not at all.
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  Nonetheless, the guy has a really good body of work from 35 and 40, but like 40 was at
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  that time, the, the, I think Postal was like the only really good fight that he had. Indongo
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  was funny. Like that was a funny meme just because of his name, but yeah. So like what
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  I put here is that his run from his undisputed run at 40, like was, it was so easy. Like
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  you have to wonder is the division shit, which kind of yes, or is it that Crawford's just
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  so fucking good. Also yes.
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  It's that kind of double edged sword. Cause I mean, the division still has a half retired
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  Kellbrook in it. It makes you wonder like what really is the competition besides Earl Spence
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  and I mean, even that one's a hot take too. It's like, is he ducking Spence or like what's
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  the holdup now?
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  Uh, yeah. I will, I'm, I'm firm in the Spence camp, so I'm going to stand by that Crawford
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  is the problem, but you know, he's had a little bit of like Diva issues before.
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  Yeah. I mean, like I said, in a division where you have half done Kellbrook and fully steroided
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  Amir Khan in it, it's like, I'm sure you're number one, but at like, you know, what's
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  the weight of that? I think we were fighting.
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  Yes. Okay. So originally when I only had nine, Inoue was fourth firm. Once I got that last,
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  the last ballot, he, now it's a tie. So I kept Inoue on top. I feel like Inoue is kind
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  of just like, there's no argument. Like he's there. He really just, yeah. What can you
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  say? Yeah. He started at 105, no shit. And look, he's still laying guys out like 20 pounds
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  later. That's fucking ridiculous. Just like being 105 pounds. Like that's gotta be insane,
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  dude. I can't like, I can't remember the last time I was doing anywhere near that weight.
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  Oh goodness. The day, like the day I arrived at bootcamp, I was, I'm six feet tall. I weighed
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  118. And so you were like, what 18 at the time? 17. 17. There you go. Like what's 105
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  then? Like what age is that as a grown man? Young teenagers, maybe. Yeah. Not much more
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  you can say. So, but one thing I did want to point out was the first four are or were
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  undisputed champions. Right. Whatever that counts. And number five, Errol Spence. I mean,
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  I could see it. I don't really have much against it either. Like Spence isn't ducking fights
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  or really anything like that. Like his resume isn't like terrible either. Like comparing
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  him to Crawford, they both fought Porter. They both fought, did Crawford fight you guys
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  too? I don't remember. No, Kellbrooke. No, he didn't. Kellbrooke. Yeah. They both fought
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  Brooke. They both fought Porter. I mean, I feel like their resumes are similar, but I
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  feel like Spence is kind of more what the smoke versus Crawford is. Yes. Yes, he is.
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  I mean, I'm just being biased too because I like Spence more. No, I don't think it's
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  really wrong to say that Spence has been more in the mix of things. It also helps being
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  in the PBC family that you have access to the better welterweights. So a little bit
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  of lack of access for Crawford, but also maybe don't sign an extension with Top Rank. Yeah,
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  I thought Crawford signed to that, what was it, BLK or something? Yeah, BLK Prime. I forgot
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  about that. That shit house deal. Oh, yeah. Broner. They signed Broner to like a $10 million
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  contract. God bless anyone paying Broner $10 million. No kidding. Like get after a Broner.
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  Okay. Maybe, maybe it'll come back eventually, but that's neither here or there. No, the
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  next two tied for sixth, but they are stacked the same way they would have been before that
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  final ballot. Bevil at number six. Yeah, Whoopin Canelo really raises your profile to say the
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  least. It does. It does. But has he done enough though to earn a spot on Copper Pound? At
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  least in that position at number six. Yeah, he's been at 75 his entire career as far as
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  I know, since I've been keeping track of him. He's been at 75. And yeah, the names haven't
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  been the best. Better Be Of definitely has a better resume for sure. And has the hardware
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  too. Yeah, I mean, what's his notable wins are Joe Smith Jr., Canelo and I don't know
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  if you want to call Ramirez a notable win, but Jean Pascal wasn't a bad one either. Yeah,
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  yeah. What year was that? Because that does make a difference when we're talking about
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  an older guy like Pascal. Pascal was in 2018, I think. Not the worst. I don't know, like
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  he, I want to put Bevil on a Copper Pound spot because I am a big fan and I'm watching his
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  career. But at the same time, like yes, the Canelo win definitely puts you up there, but
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  the rest of your resume isn't that exciting either. Yeah, I think it's that like, honeymoon
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  phase where he just beat the guy. So now he must be some some kind of elite talent. So
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  so here's a hot take into the first four were like, you know, Undisputed Champions, you
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  know, is the reason we have guys like Bevil on here who haven't really done too much?
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  Is the reason we have Mondes because we don't have enough champions who have done enough?
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  That's a good question. I'd have to really think about it. That would definitely get
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  you thinking. But like I said, like I do like Bevil, I think his win over Canelo definitely
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  shot him up there. But really, was that enough to crack even like number 10 on the list?
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  Maybe 10. That's being generous. But yeah, if the group vote him at six, who am I to
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  vote for? Well, what I was, what I thought about him, like I feel like his legacy is
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  going to be tied not to Canelo like that. Anyone who's in the know, you know that you
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  knew that that was pretty much Bevil's fight to lose. Right, even if you didn't want to
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  let yourself believe it. Rematch, same thing. His legacy as far as the sport is concerned
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  is tied to BetterBF. Those are the two. It's not just entirely about the undisputed fight.
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  That makes it really cool. Like for me, being a fucking nerd, that makes it great. But those
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  are the two people that are at the top of the division. If they don't fight each other,
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  like BetterBF is about 40. He does not have a lot of time left. Bevil is still pretty
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  young. He could let BetterBF retire and then just kind of sweep up the belts against whoever
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  grabs him. This is his division for the taking once BetterBF is gone. So here's that thing
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  with whole like, with BetterBF getting old, it brings that conundrum of like, now if Bevil
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  beats him, there's gonna be a couple things. Is he an old man? Oh yeah, you beat up an
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  old BetterBF. It's the same shit when I'm kind of old with Triple G. It's like, oh,
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  you beat up a grandpa Triple G. I think the age thing is kind of shitty. But I mean, it
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  plays a factor though, because like, yeah, BetterBF is old. Like that is gonna be a factor.
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  If he wasn't, to me, 40 is when you start getting into that like age is a really big
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  consideration. At the higher weights, it's like getting up in the like to the mid late
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  30s is not as big of a deal. You think that depends on weight class too though? Yeah,
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  absolutely. Like, you know, everyone's favorite joke, how old is Luis Ortiz? But you know,
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  he's not the only old older heavyweight. He's not. Wilder's getting close to 40. Tyson
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  Fury is too. I forgot Wilder's like 37. Yeah, he's old, older, but older but Wilder doesn't
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  have a lot of mileage on him. Granted, his resume was a lot of taxi drivers, of course,
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  but his most of his mileage.
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  Yeah, to me at the higher weights, it scales with the with the weight classes. Like if
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  you're at 115, and you're like Estrada or Gonzales, you're in your like early 30s. You're
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  ancient for those divisions. But not quite the same thing when you start scaling up.
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  But let's continue here. Tied for six, Jermel, excuse me, Jermel Charlo. I think this is
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  criminally low to me. I really so hot take I actually never really follow this career
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  all that well. So my opinion on him is like, kind of like again, I never really follow
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  this career too much to really have an opinion on him. I would be talking on my ass if I
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  really said I had too much to say about Charlo. Let me let's go through his resume real quick.
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  Even just even if we just talk about who he snagged the belts off of. Right. Excuse me.
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  He won vacant WBC in 2016 against John Jackson. Can't say I know who that is. Yeah, right.
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  First defense against Charles Hattley. Kind of remember this. But next was that dynamite
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  first round knockout of Ericsson Lubin. The highlight reel. Yep. Next up, Austin Trout.
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  This is a like about to be about the beginning of the end, if not, like the first chapter
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  of the end of the book for Austin Trout. He lost to Tony Harrison. That one I do remember.
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  That was a whole entire. Yeah, it was. It was really close. I think I think that's what
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  made it so controversial, I guess. Let's see. Koda. That was a knockout. Quick little comeback
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  or a little get back and then rematch Harrison for the win. Right. Then he faces Jason Rosario.
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  Then Costano after that twice. Costano. Yeah. Which to me, that's more a testament to Costano
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  than it is a demerit to Charlo. But Rosario, just like to put him into a little bit of
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  context, he he snagged the belts, IBF and WBA. He snagged those off of J-Rock, Julian
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  Williams. Right. And then he fought Jermell. Then that weird like jab to the gut knockout.
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  And after that, like he's kind of faded into the sunset here. It just fell off the table.
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  Yeah, it's a kind it actually does take a little bit of the value away from the loss
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  from the win for Charlo, I mean. Whereas like Harrison went on to have he's had a decent
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  career still. Yeah, I know Harrison still in like still around. I know he just lost to
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  Tim Teeser though pretty badly. Yes. But Charlo at tied for sixth. Do you think that's do
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  you think that's too high? Too low? I think it's too low. Yeah, just based off his like
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  his resume, I think it's too low. Yeah, like his his resume is better than Terrence Crawford's.
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  Right. Yeah. I mean, I wish I followed his career a little more, sad for say on it, but
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  kind of just going through it and just like being in a mix of conversation about it. I'd
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  say he definitely belonged. He should be higher up on the list. Yeah. Like his resume is probably
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  better than Bevel. Yeah, literally better than Bevel. And that's a shade thing though, kind
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  of going back to it. The only reason if we're being honest, the only reason Bevel is really
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  on there is because of his Canelo win. His spot is cemented because of the Canelo one.
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  Absolutely. That anybody who's ever seen him fight before could say clearly that this dude
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  has serious talent, very, very skilled operator. He has that like that Soviet style of boxing,
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  like no shit. But like he's really, really good. Anybody who has any semblance of understanding
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  of the sport would already know that. Not sure why it took Canelo for them to figure
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  that out. I still don't know. Like, I think from the jump, everyone kind of gave Canelo
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  like some kind of hope. But like as the rounds went on, that hope depleted so fast. Yeah,
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  my pseudo-hopium, I think like round three, I'm like, yeah, nevermind. I'm done. I'm done
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  pretending. This is a wash. Yeah, this is, fuck it. Let's phone it in. Oh, so that reminds
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  me actually, I saw this a while back, I think like a year, no, no, no, not a year ago. It
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  was a few months after the fight with them, people. It was saying how like, Reynoso's
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  guys like Valdez and Canelo, like Reynoso's great when his guys are winning, but when
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  his guys are losing, the hot take is that Reynoso isn't like, you know, that great.
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  Like, he doesn't really give any instruction. Like when Shakur was whooping Valdez's ass,
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  there was really nothing from Reynoso other than just stay alive. And same thing with
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  Canelo. Like when Vivo was kind of whooping Canelo, Reynoso just, I feel like you didn't
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  have much advice for him besides stay alive. Don't get knocked out. So that is a hot take
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  I heard about a while back. Interesting. Does it hold true? I don't really know. But, I
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  know now that I've heard it and I kind of like watched those fights, I'm like, yeah,
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  I mean, there was no really like a change in like strategy for Valdez or Canelo in those
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  losing fights. Yeah, for the Vivo loss, that one I did see, I was able to hear like firsthand,
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  like you're not helping him. What are you doing? What are you, what is he paying you
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  for? Dude, that's just like Tio's dad. Knock him the fuck out, bro. What are you doing?
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  Yo, yeah. I mean, Freddie Roach with like the famous like we need the knockouts on.
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  Come on. That worked like one time maybe ever. But. Humble brag for Valdez Stevenson. I was
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  in the arena. So yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. I didn't have very good seats. It was in the press
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  row. So it wasn't very good. I'm sure the amateur was still fun though. Yeah, it was
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  really, really fun. I was surprised at how much fan base Stevenson had in the arena.
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  I wasn't expecting that much. That's like another hot topic we can hit on later is like
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  Stevenson's like popularity. Because I do remember when he beat Valdez, he was like,
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  oh, I'm on pound for pound. And I was like, whoa, slow down, tiger. Yeah. Yeah, we'll
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  get to him in a second. Gervonta Davis at number eight. Oh, I knew someone was coming
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  actually. Yeah, I want to put Tank on it so bad. Like he is exciting and everything. And
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  his resume isn't even that terrible actually. It's not bad. I think he's about proper maybe
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  six to eight range, maybe five, I guess. Yeah. I mean, I wish he had some more belts on or
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  under his belt for lack of better puns. But I think Tank deserves a spot. I would say
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  like a high spot. Not really, but from what he said, six to eight. Yeah, about six to
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  eight. I agree with that. Yeah, there's really not much argument that like he is exciting,
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  solid resume. He whooped Garcia, whooped Hector Garcia. I know Romero wasn't exactly a big
• 27:53
  competitor, but that was definitely a fun fight to watch. How good that win is will remain,
• 27:58
  we remains to be seen, like since he's coming up. I think he Davis might also he being a
• 28:08
  PBC guy, there's people are certain a certain segment of the fan base is always going to
• 28:14
  try to find a way to discredit him. I think it's partly that it's he's a victim of his
• 28:18
  own success. He's just he's a much more intelligent fighter than people think just because like,
• 28:26
  you know, he isn't very eloquent. But like he showed that he showed it more than anything
• 28:32
  against Ryan Garcia, the first knockdown that was fucking pure and pure intelligence. And
• 28:39
  how beauty Yeah, and how he finished a fight was same thing was just IQ. So side note on
• 28:46
  that one. Do you think Ryan quit? I'm torn on this one, to be honest with you. That's
• 28:56
  what the heavy side is, is like, I'm not, I'm not sure. Because like I've being in the
• 29:03
  military, like you learn how you have to fight each other like for training, you know what
• 29:08
  I mean? Like, yeah, you have to actually do it. So I really know what it's like to get
• 29:13
  hit somewhere on your body. And then your, your brain, your brain commanding yourself
• 29:20
  to move is not working. But at the same time, something that made it kind of questionable
• 29:31
  was almost immediately after the ref waved his hands, he gets up almost immediately.
• 29:37
  He got up and was walking around so filing. Exactly. That's what makes me question it.
• 29:42
  Like, I mean, if you want to just duck, like you just want to, you know, like I got nothing.
• 29:47
  This guy hits really hard and I can't land anything. Like, there's no more. I can't do
• 29:52
  anything. So what's the point? I think if Ryan hadn't like, I know it's all business,
• 29:59
  of course, you know, it's media, but if Ryan hadn't talked all that shit, I'd kind of give
• 30:04
  him kind of a pass like, all right, you found the hard way that you know, take it's hard.
• 30:09
  He's better than you thought. But like, to talk all that shit, and then pretty much,
• 30:14
  I'm going to say he quit. I mean, I hate to say it, but I'm gonna say he did. I'm gonna
• 30:17
  talk all that shit. Yeah, and then quit. I feel like you can lose some credibility and
• 30:22
  some respect. Like I know they talk shit for the media, but I don't know. I just I think
• 30:27
  talking all that shit and then ultimately quitting just kind of lose a lot of credibility.
• 30:34
  Yeah. If he's gonna want to do that, he's gonna have to learn how to sell the quote
• 30:40
  unquote pain a little better. Yeah, I mean, like you said, he got a fucking like a spring
• 30:46
  chicken on his feet again, as soon as the ref waved it off. He's like, right, I got
• 30:49
  paid. I'm done. I didn't get knocked out. Like, yeah, they were saying they were saying
• 30:54
  that like, I haven't followed it too much. But they're saying he had like a bruised
• 30:58
  rib going into the fight. There was like a mole in this camp or some shit. And it's kind
• 31:02
  of like, if all that's true, but like, either way, bro, like the fights done, you lost like
• 31:07
  what you say now isn't gonna change anything. Yeah, then it just turns into like excuses.
• 31:13
  Which it to me, I would say excuses are worse than quitting. 100% I mean, if you're gonna
• 31:20
  quit, like, that's fine. Whatever. Like, own it. Maybe you talk some shit, whatever. But
• 31:26
  I think just owners he had tried so hard to like, make himself seem like he was better
• 31:32
  than he really was. But in reality, he just found the hard way that like, maybe boxing
• 31:37
  is not for him. Like, is he fast and flashy? Yeah, but like, I think I'm gonna tell you
• 31:43
  now. I think his win over Luke Campbell, he got lucky. Lucky body shot. Sure, like, was
• 31:49
  it maybe well timed? Okay, yeah. But he got knocked out. Not knocked out. Sorry, he got
• 31:54
  knocked down that Luke Campbell fight. He got up and just probably went for the gusto
• 31:59
  and got lucky with that body shot. But if he got knocked down again, that Luke Campbell
• 32:02
  fight, like you think you would quit? I don't know. Good question. I don't know. I just
• 32:08
  I just think I like Ryan. He's flashy. He's fun to watch. But I just don't think like,
• 32:15
  he's ever gonna really be a champion. He can't. The heel roll is isn't for him. Like, because
• 32:23
  he's he's handsome. And he's like a flashy social media star. Like, dude, play play that
• 32:28
  up. Oscar De La Hoya did it fucking perfectly. Just do that. But the problem was that it
• 32:34
  was actually good though. Yeah, right. That's kind of the problem. Like, dude, Ryan can
• 32:40
  be good because he's still so young. But it's a matter of, I guess like how serious does
• 32:44
  he take it? Like, everyone looks good hitting the bag. Everyone looks good hitting pads.
• 32:49
  Like, it all looks good for social media. But like, we saw him push came to shove. Like,
• 32:54
  it's awesome. You challenge yourself to a big fight with tank. But it also seems like
• 32:58
  you kind of backed out like when you got punched and said, Okay, fuck this fight's not for
• 33:02
  me. Yeah, this is that hurt a little more than normal. Like, like I give him his props.
• 33:08
  He got knocked down the second got right back up. Yeah, I feel like those in between rounds
• 33:13
  like after that he was just treading water and kind of looking to his corner like, yo,
• 33:16
  what the fuck do I do? And Goosen had no advice there. All Goosen did was just dress nice.
• 33:22
  Yeah, nice is a relative term here. Nice is putting it lightly. I'm not too keen on his
• 33:29
  fashion sense. And we just had that discussion a few days ago and in the discord. But a little
• 33:35
  bit more on Ryan Garcia and if this sport is for him later. Yeah, for sure. Number nine
• 33:44
  are to better be if he and people I think should be swapped where they landed. Yeah,
• 33:51
  better be if has a better resume. For sure. There's not much really go about that really
• 33:55
  better be a never dropped anybody. Better resume just Yeah, I think he earns a spot
• 34:01
  to where people is and people should be where he is in like the ladder editor list. Right.
• 34:05
  Yeah, the only thing that I put like here worth mentioning is that father time remains
• 34:10
  undefeated. So like, getting into the ring with people. He needs to do that sooner rather
• 34:17
  than later because he's not getting younger. And people is going to continue being as good
• 34:22
  as he is. See, if he was not getting any worse. Yeah, exactly. He's going to continue being
• 34:27
  good. Excellent. If not improving, which seems kind of weird, like, because he's at like
• 34:33
  a 99.9% excellence rate. Okay, number 10. Shakur Stevenson. Oh, yeah, this one. I don't
• 34:44
  like Stevenson here. I would have put a full time. Yeah, cool boy stuff. Yeah, he has the
• 34:50
  wins. Like Stevenson, you have Valdez who has proven to be kind of lame. Yeah, Valdez
• 34:59
  was fucking cheats as well. Oh, Stevenson. I want to like him. Well, not so long time
• 35:07
  if that makes sense. Not yet. At least. I do like him. He seems like like he seems like
• 35:13
  the most well rounded of the like the lightweight crop. But like you can't not mention the lack
• 35:24
  of power you really can't, especially when you have a guy like tank walking around in
• 35:30
  the same division as you. Yeah, the lack of power. And this is why I bring up when people
• 35:38
  say Shakur versus Haney would be a great fight. I'm like, it really wouldn't be though. Like,
• 35:43
  for a boxing like just pure standpoint, would it be like very scientific and like, highly
• 35:49
  technical? Yeah. Yeah, but it's gonna be boring. A lot of punches thrown between them probably.
• 35:55
  I mean, this is a hypothetical extreme example. We'll probably like 100 punches thrown between
• 35:59
  them the first six rounds. That's it reminds me of that meme. Oh, fuck. I'm thinking of
• 36:07
  that. But either way, it just seems gonna be both of them just circling each other.
• 36:10
  Throwing a shit jab here and there. And that's pretty much it. What's up fellas? Oh, what's
• 36:20
  going on, man? Sorry, I'm fashionably late. Oh, perfect timing though. Yeah, perfect,
• 36:27
  perfect timing. Well, you're just talking about my favorite hypothetical fight. Haney
• 36:32
  Stevenson? Oh, dude, I have mad insomnia and I need to eat either a THG vape or a melatonin
• 36:40
  gummy and if they just made that fight, I think I could cut both out of my life and
• 36:45
  I could just play that on replay. Thank you, brother. Thank you. Because that fight will
• 36:50
  be a fucking snoozefest. Yeah, I can only really talk about it from the, excuse me,
• 36:56
  the quote unquote purist perspective. Like you really, really have to love the highly
• 37:03
  technical minutia of the sport to appreciate that one more than you would tank Garcia.
• 37:12
  100%. I mean, don't get me wrong, even like, I was never a high level boxer for just like
• 37:19
  being in the ring and stuff. Like I'll definitely appreciate that fight, but I know it's not
• 37:23
  a fight I'm ever going to want to like have replay value with. That makes sense. I mean,
• 37:29
  if you're not watching it in reverse quarter speed upside down with the volume off in black
• 37:36
  and white only, then are you even really a boxing fan? Exactly. All right. So that's
• 37:45
  going to cut, that's going to do it for that. Making good time here. All right. Let's kick
• 37:52
  it off with these interesting fights to make in certain divisions. Let's do it. It's important
• 38:00
  to note for the listener who cannot see this, these are not including like your top tier
• 38:08
  guys like Shakur versus tank or Ryan Garcia versus fucking Devin Haney or, you know, or
• 38:17
  Spence versus Crawford. That's not what we're talking about here. Cause those fights are
• 38:22
  always going to be amazing to at least to talk about and probably going to deliver in
• 38:28
  the ring. Whereas there's still that crop beneath that, like that B tier. And that's
• 38:36
  where we're going to be doing our work today. Okay. You know, I want to start at super middle
• 38:44
  weight, which is at the bottom of the list, but the six names that I picked, John Ryder,
• 38:51
  Demetrius Andre, Christian and Billy, Kayla Plant, Bekhtamir Malakuziev aka Bekhtabuli
• 39:00
  and Diego Pacheco. Can we throw in an honorable mention of Billy Saunders? Recently unretired.
• 39:09
  Sure. Yeah. Let's put them in there. I will have to say, like if there was ever an indictment
• 39:19
  on the lower, the lower rungs of the top 10 or top 15 of a division, it would be this
• 39:25
  list. It's not rough. Yes, it is. It's a rough list. It is. Well, hold on. Let me, I got
• 39:37
  to crack another beer on this one. Also full bias. I do have a signed Billy Joe Saunders
• 39:42
  boxing gloves, but that's a side story. What? Yeah. Oh, you can't drop that. Yeah. Why?
• 39:49
  Where? Where? When? Why? So, um, this was like, this was a while back. Um, I saw this
• 39:56
  guy on Instagram, which sells like boxing memorabilia from the UK. And he put a picture
• 40:01
  of like Billy Saunders, like signing gloves and he was like, Oh no, we're selling these
• 40:04
  X, Y, and Z. I was like, dude, fuck it. Like I'll buy one, whatever. And that's pretty
• 40:09
  much it. I just bought it. It comes with like the signed glove with Saunders, um, a photograph
• 40:14
  of him, like, like a certificate of authenticity kind of. Yeah. Yeah. And that's pretty much
• 40:19
  it. Like it's, it's pretty cool. Definitely pay a lot of money for it more than I should
• 40:22
  have, but it's a nice memorabilia. Billy Joe Saunders though. Listen, dude, I saw it and
• 40:29
  I was like, fuck it, man. I like watching Billy. Cause like when I was boxing, um, I
• 40:33
  took a lot of my just like style and inspiration from Saunders, how just like, how slick he
• 40:37
  is and just, so I don't say an orthodox, but just like, you know, the hands down, just
• 40:43
  the quick movements. What you'd expect from like a Philly fighter, a slick New York or
• 40:50
  Philly fighter. Exactly. So I took a lot of my like inspiration from him. Granted like,
• 40:55
  you know, boxing aside, yeah, he's kind of a prick. A little bit funny here and there.
• 40:59
  Not gonna lie. He has his moments. Yeah. But yeah, I took a lot of my style from him. So
• 41:04
  I was like, you know what? I like the guy a lot. I'll get a signed glove from him. Like
• 41:07
  why not? But that's pretty much it. Not much more exciting to it. I didn't like meet him
• 41:11
  at a bar or something and said, Hey, can you sign this? I carry a boxing glove with me
• 41:15
  at all times. Um, so I was right. So when you have, I think the appropriate nickname
• 41:26
  for guys like that is supposed to be like white chocolate. Yeah. Is that that one kid?
• 41:33
  Yeah, there is. There is a white chocolate in the UK right now. I think he's in the UK.
• 41:40
  All right. But let's get to it. Um, in BLE recently, like I want to say like a month
• 41:46
  and a half, two months ago, he was on a ESPN card, ESPN plus, and he got into a fucking
• 41:54
  war with Carlos Cogorra. This guy has a gas tank. Holy shit. He has a gas tank and he
• 42:04
  go, he swings for the fences. He does not stop. He is relentless. So it's easy to say
• 42:11
  that like, I would say Andre, just cause I really don't like him. And I would like someone
• 42:19
  for someone to beat him up, but I'm not entirely certain on in BLE. So with that being said,
• 42:28
  do you think in BLE versus plant we could fight? It's the same situation as like Saunders,
• 42:35
  Andre or plant like the in BLE is not as mobile as they are. That's, that's why John writers
• 42:43
  got to be perfect for him, right? Yeah. That's someone who's going to try and stick to him
• 42:46
  like blue and try and just, you know, he's tough enough to where, well, maybe I just
• 42:53
  had a very bad vision of in BLE stopping Ryder when Canelo couldn't, but we're going to table
• 43:01
  that discussion. Ideally, ideally Ryder could stick with him for 12 rounds and they could
• 43:06
  slug it out and they could, you know, it'd be a, it could be a very entertaining fight.
• 43:12
  If they stick in the center of the ring and slug it out, that, that would actually be
• 43:16
  something fun to watch. I mean, if it's a slug fudge we're going for, I would say, you
• 43:21
  know, Beck the bully in a BLE. I was going to say Beck the bully. I, he said, he kept
• 43:28
  saying in the promotion leading up to his rematch with Rosado, it was a lucky punch.
• 43:33
  You know, he got me, take nothing away from it, but he's not going to do it again. And
• 43:39
  I think in BLE either Gungoro is his like skull is made out of like adamantium or Beck
• 43:47
  or in BLE doesn't have that much power either way. I think Beck, Beck the bully is going
• 43:54
  to stand right in his face and in BLE is going to be there for it. Pacheco is a good option
• 43:59
  too for that, for that same type of situation. Yeah. I think those matchups sound pretty
• 44:05
  interesting to watch honestly. They'll probably all be bangers. Not going to lie. Yeah. Literally.
• 44:12
  Andreid versus Saunders. That was supposed to happen. It wasn't. Yeah. Yeah. That was
• 44:19
  a, they, I felt like that was scheduled for a middleweight fight like three or four years
• 44:23
  ago. Yeah. Andreid was moving up from 54. He was, he had, I think the WBO belt and then
• 44:29
  he moved up to 60, which in the WBO rules, the lower weight champion gets like immediate
• 44:37
  first dibs at the current champion in the division that he's moving to. Right. And then
• 44:42
  Billy got popped for PED. That's why we call him boss. Did he pretend to have like a mental
• 44:47
  health meltdown or does, is that just, is that the other traveler? I don't think Saunders,
• 44:52
  I don't think Saunders knows what that is honestly. If we're being honest, like you
• 44:56
  ever hear the guy talk just how much of a dick he is, I don't think he knows what that
• 45:01
  is. Yeah. Well, you'd think Tyson Fury doesn't either, wouldn't either given how much of
• 45:05
  a jackass he can be, but. I bet that was his first introduction to mental health is when
• 45:16
  Tyson Fury said he was going through some stuff and he's like, oh, I get it now. If
• 45:22
  I. Okay, so I find it right here. Sorry, go ahead. If I pop for performance enhancing
• 45:28
  drugs, I could just say that I'm in a dark place and step away from the sport. So if
• 45:35
  I do a lot of cocaine and almost drive my car off a bridge, there's my out. Just mental
• 45:41
  health. So Billy got popped for that PEDs and he got shipped for a WBO against the Andrade
• 45:50
  and I just saw the article Frank Warren said the use of a common decongestant nasal spray
• 45:57
  trigger the positive test. Was it a Dillion White that a pre-workout that he picked up
• 46:06
  at GNC or something is what made him pop for PEDs one time? I think for decongestant, maybe
• 46:16
  because I know that isn't that stuff used to make meth. I have no idea. I'm not sure
• 46:22
  what's in it. I only know this from watching. I watching Breaking Bad. That's the only reason
• 46:27
  I know this. Oh, love Breaking Bad. Yeah. Okay. Before we continue either within this
• 46:35
  division or moving to a different one, we need to settle on a pronunciation here for
• 46:40
  Andrade. I've heard a lot of different ways. Like there was this lady that fought in the
• 46:46
  UFC, I think last weekend. Her name is Andrade. It's spelled exactly the same. If we were
• 46:54
  pronouncing this name in Spanish, it would be Andrade. Andrade. Plus you did strip. So
• 47:01
  I thought it was, I thought it always was Andrade just based off interviews and stuff,
• 47:04
  but if I'm wrong, please correct me. What makes me think that it's Andrade is because
• 47:09
  like he's, he's a black American. So like that's probably how it would be pronounced
• 47:15
  there. Has anyone ever heard David Diamante pronounce his name? That's the final answer.
• 47:20
  Fuck you're right. Holy shit. That's probably going to be our answer. And he will confirm
• 47:24
  it after he tells you. He will confirm it for you right then and there. God. Yeah, I'm
• 47:32
  going to look for this immediately when we're done. That's going to be our answer honestly.
• 47:37
  I feel like I've heard people pronounce it like Andrade. Yeah. And I heard that too.
• 47:43
  I feel like even fight commentators have said that. And typically they, yeah, they typically
• 47:49
  they get it right. Well, let's ask Chris Mannix because he's like his towel boy or something.
• 47:55
  Okay. What division we want to do next. We got light. We got 35, 40 and 47. Light. All
• 48:05
  right. 35. Okay. No champions here. We have Ken Bosos, Isaac Cruz, Frank Martin, Michelle
• 48:15
  Rivera, Yoshino, that dude that Stevenson just beat up and Williams have paid up. War Bosos.
• 48:24
  War Bosos. He like he might not like he got he beat Teofimo like the stars aligned for
• 48:30
  him and then you know he got the fights with Haney and got taken to school. Yes, he obviously
• 48:38
  doesn't belong on that level. But I feel like these guys here could make for some interesting
• 48:44
  fights for him. I think Frank Martin would just wreck his lights out. Yeah. I think Rivera
• 48:54
  wouldn't actually be a terrible fight for him. Yeah. Kind of got exposed as being a
• 48:58
  tier below or Yoshino either Yoshino also yeah he he's durable but also does Shakur
• 49:07
  really have power or not. But nonetheless Yoshino stayed like he tries to get in the
• 49:13
  pocket and stay there. So that's yeah that'll make for an exciting fight with anybody. Especially
• 49:20
  for Ken Bosos he thrives off of the counterpunch right like that's really all he looks for
• 49:25
  it sometimes. So that would hopefully you would think give him a lot of openings to
• 49:31
  maybe do a little bit of work and actually be exciting. See I want to throw a hot take
• 49:37
  here. I like War Bosos because he like he's got some heart bro like he'll stand there
• 49:41
  and fight like we saw with Teofimo Lopez he was afraid to trade with him. Obviously we
• 49:46
  didn't see it much with Haney just based off the fight styles but I'm definitely gonna
• 49:50
  watch them in War Bosos fight because I think he is kind of exciting to watch. Granted he
• 49:53
  might be kind of shit but he'll play on our show. I think a lot of the dislike comes from
• 49:59
  he's like he kind of believed his own hype a little bit too much. When he beat Teofimo
• 50:07
  he was like this must mean that I am like the king dingling of 135 and then Devin Haney
• 50:14
  gets gets called up for the mandatory. But now isn't the same thing that happened to
• 50:21
  Lopez when he beat Loma to leave his own hype. Yes. 100%. Absolutely. That's what's maybe
• 50:31
  a quick aside here. That's what's so hard about these underdog stories is like I don't
• 50:36
  think there's really any story out there where the underdog like goes on to have an illustrious
• 50:42
  championship career. They typically get put back in their place and you know it's like
• 50:49
  I don't know if that's just the pressure of handling that kind of an upset and like or
• 50:56
  if it's just they were never that good to begin with and they just like you said the
• 51:00
  stars aligned. Maybe this isn't the best example but point counterpoint of an underdog coming
• 51:08
  for the spot and retiring on top Juan Manuel Marquez knocks out Manny Pacquiao in their
• 51:16
  fourth fight. Oh yes. Marquez and Manny. That he's not Marquez is a fucking legend in his
• 51:23
  own regard that he but in the in the terms of like the that generation with Mayweather
• 51:30
  Pacquiao Cotto like Cotto and Marquez fucking two sides of the coin there. They were they're
• 51:39
  extremely good and they would be like generational elite if they were in a generation without
• 51:45
  Mayweather and Pacquiao and Margarito I guess for Cotto's sake. I could agree with that.
• 51:55
  So that's to me Marquez he's obviously really really good so he's not necessarily an underdog
• 52:01
  but in the context of Pacquiao. I have to bring up any time I can. Marquez knocked Pacquiao
• 52:10
  out and Pacquiao is a sixth division champion not eight. I mean it's a sight we're never
• 52:16
  gonna forget just and Manny laid out. Did you see that video I posted in Discord of it's
• 52:23
  like 10 or 15 minutes of fan reactions like they're recording the like they have all their
• 52:29
  friends and family to watch it and like it switches it goes from Filipino family to Mexican
• 52:35
  family to Filipino family to Mexican. It's so funny. Oh my God. It's so funny. It is
• 52:42
  so funny. It feels like it's like righteous justice for me. I went to the Philippines
• 52:50
  after the third fight which a lot of people think Marquez won including me. So I was there
• 52:57
  and we're sitting there and of course Manny Pacquiao comes up because Philippines and
• 53:03
  I was like oh so should I not tell all of my you know my Filipino military counterparts.
• 53:11
  I am a big Marquez fan. Wrong place wrong time. Yeah and that one of the one of the
• 53:20
  American Filipino American soldiers that was with us he told me like kind of on the side
• 53:25
  of the cake. Don't be too brash about it. You know like this is like you don't understand
• 53:30
  how big of a deal he is. OK. I'll be cool. But so like we actually did have some fun
• 53:36
  nuanced discussions about Marquez and Pacquiao and they actually do have a lot of respect
• 53:41
  for him before the knockout at least after a knockout. Perhaps my favorite one was it
• 53:52
  was like this big party. I don't know how I got to this guy's table but it was like
• 53:56
  a Filipino one star army general and we're sitting there like I'm like what the fuck
• 54:02
  am I doing here. And so we like the boxing comes up. I mentioned that I'm a Marquez fan
• 54:08
  Mexican Marquez fan. It's like oh man like you know Marquez that's Pacquiao unsolved
• 54:14
  riddle. I don't know if he'll ever be able to crack it like like crack the code like
• 54:18
  that. Marquez is just like the perfect foil to him. Like yeah. God damn right he is. Just
• 54:27
  the biggest girl in your face. Yeah. I was like thank you. Thank you. Like I mean you
• 54:32
  can't not appreciate Pacquiao even if you are a Marquez fan like the dude's amazing.
• 54:37
  Oh for sure. Anyway sorry that we're completely off kilter here. Oh good. I mean I guess to
• 54:44
  go back to the list. He's got Cruz Frank Martin. I was just gonna say that. Um that's a tough
• 54:52
  call though. That's a tough one though because Frank Martin is like a technician. But he's
• 54:56
  also like he has the physicality. Cruz might be smaller but he also he's like the Napoleon
• 55:05
  complex physicality. Dare I say and I'm gonna dare say would that end in a draw possibly
• 55:12
  the first fight. That could definitely be a fight where early on Martin doesn't have
• 55:20
  an answer to the aggression. Yeah to his sort of pit bull style. But he I Martin strikes
• 55:29
  me as the kind of guy he's intelligent enough to make on the fly adjustments. I feel like
• 55:33
  he should be able to adjust to that but it may come kind of too late to turn the fight
• 55:40
  around in this favor. That's very possible. I can see that yeah. He is with Derek James.
• 55:47
  He's in the Derek James camp and like he's also has spent as his like immediate mentor.
• 55:52
  So that means he has Anthony Joshua in his corner also. So does that mean a Mrs. Amir
• 56:01
  cons in the corner too. What a wild team that is. Oh goodness. But no I think he's that
• 56:14
  Cruz and Frank Martin probably just wash anyone on that list except for each other. Rivera
• 56:24
  I don't know. Like I feel like because we were comparing him to his hot like to the tear above him.
• 56:31
  Because like that's what people were saying he was going to be. I kind of believe the
• 56:34
  hype a little bit. But Rivera if we keep him you know don't give him ideas above his own
• 56:42
  station and look at him maybe boxing a guy like Yoshino or Zepeda. Where he's a little
• 56:50
  bit more a little bit more slick but still has that like Dominican sort of semi aggressiveness
• 56:58
  smart intelligent aggressiveness effective. You got a more bosses on here but not a Lord
• 57:05
  and Savior Keishon Davis. Yeah I wasn't sure because I'm extremely keen on Keishon super
• 57:15
  super keen on him. So I felt like it would have been a little bit too much of me trying
• 57:20
  to shoehorn in him beating you know what I mean. I think on one hand if just from in
• 57:27
  practical speaking practically these are the guys he should be fighting soon. Yeah absolutely.
• 57:33
  Yeah. Should be in with these guys but just with the way boxing works that probably won't
• 57:38
  happen at least for another three fights if I had to guess. But in a perfect world we
• 57:43
  would be seeing him against someone like Campos or you know Yoshino or Zepeda like those are
• 57:49
  guys that he could theoretically go into next fight and win. Because Bob Arum like the old
• 57:58
  adage I think it was Floyd Mayweather that said that Bob Arum doesn't know how to promote
• 58:01
  black fighters. But even if you want to take that aspect out of it like fucking Keishon
• 58:09
  is super super talented. Yes that's a little bit of my bias speaking but like I don't know
• 58:16
  why he's being like progressed at the pace of Bob Arum's walking speed. Fucking hurry
• 58:23
  up this kid has the goods. Yoshino is like perfect. Perfect. That to me is perfect. See
• 58:32
  I don't know if he's gonna fight Yoshino next because I know him and Shakur are in the
• 58:38
  same camp like they're boys together and if Shakur just beat Yoshino I don't think they're
• 58:42
  gonna feed Yoshino to his boy next. Kind of like a punching bag. But I could be wrong.
• 58:47
  Those top ranked paydays I mean. That's true. The yen will talk. The yen. Yeah. Trying
• 59:00
  to see what other good fights we got here. Man I'm thinking about Keishon the whole time
• 59:06
  now I can't not think of someone else. Keishon is my lord and savior. What about Hime Ortiz?
• 59:20
  He just lost to Loma. Jermaine. Jermaine sorry not Hime. Yeah it's fine. Jermaine Ortiz.
• 59:26
  That's a good shout. He actually should be on this list. He should be. He actually does
• 59:32
  a lot of really good fights for him here. Yeah. I think he put up a great fight. Him
• 59:37
  versus Rivera. Him versus Kambosas. Those are all like great fights for him. I'd like
• 59:44
  to see him against Zveda. He did. I was a bit surprised. I had to keep reminding myself
• 59:51
  like Lomachenko's been he was back in Ukraine not even like staying warm. He's just not
• 59:58
  even training in any way. He's just out in Ukraine you know doing like god bless him.
• 1:00:07
  So you have to me that's what you have. The context that I needed to keep reminding myself
• 1:00:12
  of is like okay a year away from everything and you're kind of thrust back into this.
• 1:00:22
  Which Jermaine did take good advantage of. He gave a good account of himself for sure.
• 1:00:28
  Yeah that was that fight I think people kind of shunned it because Loma didn't do as good
• 1:00:32
  as they wanted him to but I think overall that was a really good fight. It was. I guess
• 1:00:36
  they were like expecting the typical matrix bullshit. Yeah for sure which maybe wasn't
• 1:00:44
  realistic to expect coming from you know a war zone basically. Literal fucking war. Literally.
• 1:00:51
  I mean even if he wasn't in combat you can't you know I can't imagine the stress. Yeah
• 1:00:56
  the mental stress. And then oh hey we're gonna fly you back out now and get in a boxing ring
• 1:01:02
  you know. That fight with the Hortiz I think was a good kind of like good way for Loma
• 1:01:10
  to get his feet wet. Yeah. And praying for Amy. It's a good barometer of like how like
• 1:01:14
  are you do you still got it like are you good do you need more time what's up and that but
• 1:01:20
  that good performance against Loma Chanko sets up Ortiz to be in into the consideration
• 1:01:27
  of higher conversations not necessarily like on obscure on televised undercards or something.
• 1:01:33
  He could be in there with Ken Bosos or Isaac Cruz. I think he mops Ken Bosos all day. Excuse
• 1:01:44
  me. I'm going to be honest I've only seen Ortiz fight Loma Chanko that's the only fight
• 1:01:52
  of him I've seen. So I can't say I can't based off that I feel like Ken Bosos has nothing
• 1:01:58
  better to offer than that. Then I think I did. Well Ken Bosos is sort of he's so limited
• 1:02:05
  as a as a boxer is like a certain style that someone needs to come at him with in order
• 1:02:11
  for him to really excel. And I feel like Jemaine could he could keep that fight long range
• 1:02:17
  enough never let Ken Bosos really get into that sweet spot where he wants to throw that
• 1:02:23
  kind of overhand right. And you know that's a fight I could easily see him getting you
• 1:02:30
  know a total landslide in the punch count by the end of it. Yeah I think Ken Bosos thrives
• 1:02:36
  like in the pocket to exchange but from a distance Ken Bosos is pretty limited as we
• 1:02:41
  saw Hany do that to him. So with this keeping Jemaine Ortiz in one slot you guys were talking
• 1:02:48
  about keeping it like keeping at range as his means of thriving. How does that work
• 1:02:53
  against Isaac Cruz? Relentless. I'm not going to throw Frank Martin in. I honestly think
• 1:03:01
  Frank Martin would spark him in like four maybe five. We're talking Isaac Cruz versus
• 1:03:08
  Ken Bosos. Jemaine Ortiz. See that's hard to call because I don't know if we've ever
• 1:03:14
  seen any we've never seen him respond to that pressure. Yeah. And I don't know I mean I'm
• 1:03:20
  with you I haven't seen him pass the Loma fight so it's. We'd have to do a little bit
• 1:03:24
  more. Watch the tape. Watch a little more tape. Yeah I agree that won't be hard to call.
• 1:03:33
  I guess I'll just come down to like when is he going to crack from the pressure if he
• 1:03:38
  cracks. Too many unknowns. All right let's move up to 140. The names that I have here.
• 1:03:46
  Exciting one. The names I have here are Mario Barrios, Teofimo because he's unproven at
• 1:03:53
  140. Ryan Garcia unproven at 140. Gary Antoine Russell, Raleigh Romero unproven at 140 and
• 1:04:02
  Jose Ramirez who had he was a unified champion at one point I think. But yeah his flaws were
• 1:04:12
  like he was exposed I guess to use the buzzword. So there's a little bit of there's a question
• 1:04:20
  mark on like what tier does he really land in. So he might be a little bit of a wild
• 1:04:24
  card there. No Josh Taylor. No he has a belt a proper belt. Proper belt. Gotcha. Not for
• 1:04:34
  long but he does have a belt. See I don't know because can Teo really bang with Josh
• 1:04:39
  Taylor. That's why he's here like is he really that proven. I don't know. I think. All right
• 1:04:45
  this is gonna be a hot take again but I think we saw Teo's best on the net against Loma.
• 1:04:52
  Just gonna throw it out there. Is that the one where everyone said that he started losing
• 1:04:59
  round seven on. I don't know I don't necessarily agree with you. I don't know. I don't agree
• 1:05:06
  with it either because I think. Well he definitely won the 12th round. Yeah he won the 12th round.
• 1:05:11
  I think that might be where it is. It's like the first six and then 12. I think granted
• 1:05:20
  I guess we'll go with that Loma was injured. I mean he was injured I guess like with his
• 1:05:24
  shoulder or some shit. I don't know the full details. Well then so is Ryan Garcia and that's
• 1:05:28
  the only reason Tanks stopped him. Right. Because the injuries are real man. Yeah now we're
• 1:05:34
  going off the injuries and stuff. I don't know. I wanted to like Teo really bad but
• 1:05:40
  kind of like I said before I think he's the one who bought to his own hype. Yeah I said
• 1:05:44
  it before I think the Loma win was the best and the worst thing to happen to his career.
• 1:05:51
  Yeah like we said like the curse passed on to Camboso's. I will say though like out of
• 1:06:02
  this list that we're looking at right here I really want to see Teo Fimo versus Ryan
• 1:06:08
  Garcia. Absolutely. The ego. You could sell the egos. The two biggest airheads in the
• 1:06:16
  division. Arguably in the sport man. And I say that as like man I was on I felt like
• 1:06:25
  I was pretty close to the ground floor with Teo and I thought like I'm looking at a future
• 1:06:29
  longtime champion and then you know everything that happened happened. But man like if he
• 1:06:36
  ever gets back to that form he had you know I think he's like he's a serious problem for
• 1:06:43
  everyone even at you know 140. But I just unless there's like a real shakeup in his
• 1:06:50
  camp I think the real X Factor was when he brought in Joey Gamache and he was his primary
• 1:06:56
  trainer not his dad. He's like trying to gas him up and like live vicariously through his
• 1:07:01
  son like an actual seasoned veteran trainer. Gamache wasn't he a champion a world champion
• 1:07:09
  himself. Yeah he was. Yeah absolutely. I'm surprised he doesn't have better like more
• 1:07:16
  high like high profile high caliber boxers in his camp. I think he had Otto Wallin. Dude
• 1:07:22
  dad won't allow it. Yeah his dad is like just a stone wall to anything good coming into
• 1:07:29
  his life unfortunately. But man because Gamache came on before the the Komi fight and you
• 1:07:37
  saw kind of the beginnings of what you you'd eventually see in the Loma fight. You saw
• 1:07:43
  that aggression he had tempered by more there's more of a patience there was more of an emphasis
• 1:07:49
  on timing. Right right. And it was like like he was like oh my god there's something really
• 1:07:55
  special here. And then he goes and beats Loma he gets covered and then they cut Gamache
• 1:08:01
  because they didn't want to pay him while he was out covered. I didn't know no fit fried
• 1:08:05
  brain cells. Didn't they also cut his nutritionists. Yeah they did. They cut they stripped down
• 1:08:12
  everything for that camp. Bostes camp. It was just him and his dad. That's fucking ridiculous.
• 1:08:19
  Yeah. So Tio has so much like potential and so much talent. It's just the wrong team.
• 1:08:28
  Yeah. Wrong circumstances around him. It's unfortunate. But regardless if that Tio is
• 1:08:36
  ever it is ever possible to see that version again. I think even this version versus Ryan
• 1:08:42
  Garcia like Garcia is defensively deficient enough to make this a really really fun fight.
• 1:08:49
  And like I said previously the build up would just be probably as good as the fight itself.
• 1:08:55
  Dude I want to say that Tio sparks Ryan but I also want to say that Ryan sparks Tio with
• 1:09:02
  like a crazy left hook because I mean I mean not Tio's offense is pretty good but I feel
• 1:09:07
  like in the Sandor Martin fight it just wasn't there. I'm trying to. He's definitely become
• 1:09:16
  more like lackadaisical. Like when he wants to focus on a certain aspect of his game he
• 1:09:23
  can execute it but he's not consistent with it. So like round around you see you see him
• 1:09:29
  kind of laps or almost like zone out like he's zoning out. So like for these two guys
• 1:09:36
  not just where do they where are they actually at 140 but also do the circumstances around
• 1:09:44
  them change for the better leading into a higher profile fight. So like with Tio Fimo
• 1:09:52
  it's like can you can you put your dad in the back fucking seat if not the trunk. Bring
• 1:10:01
  Gamache back for Ryan Garcia I think he should go back to Renoso now that he's been humbled
• 1:10:07
  a little bit like go get yourself a real fucking trainer. That's hard to call honestly for
• 1:10:16
  Tio I don't think his dad's ever taking the back seat. I don't think so either. For Garcia
• 1:10:23
  it depends how much pride he has like just swallow his pride and be like hey I was wrong
• 1:10:28
  I want to come back. Sorry guys like please help me. Yeah but it's it's hard to call for
• 1:10:35
  either of them but I think Ryan has a better chance of developing more throughout 140.
• 1:10:40
  Alright question marks speaking of question marks Antoine Russell I was there for the
• 1:10:48
  quote unquote stoppage of Postol that was bullshit 100% and then was I want to say hit
• 1:10:57
  the fight after that was also a very questionable stoppage if I'm not mistaken. Yeah against
• 1:11:04
  Bartholomew. That's right I didn't want to say because I wasn't certain if it was Bartholomew
• 1:11:09
  or not but yeah so like his last two fights have been trash and but he like leading up
• 1:11:15
  to that you know I thought holy shit like it's it's like the intelligence of Gary Russell
• 1:11:23
  Jr. with the aggression of I don't know D.S.C. Cruz. Try to think how this one. So like Antoine
• 1:11:38
  let's let's assume Antoine is who he appears to be just great you know like but he's green.
• 1:11:45
  How does he weather fellow aggressive type come forward type like Mario Barrios who you
• 1:11:54
  know he can have his face rearranged. That's a tough call I'm not gonna lie that one's
• 1:12:03
  kind of making a real spin a little bit. I would I would I would almost prefer if he
• 1:12:14
  went up against Jose Ramirez first. That's why I was going to Barrios because you know
• 1:12:22
  Ramirez he's he's a veteran he's been in some fights but we've also like there's a pretty
• 1:12:26
  clear ceiling on him right and I feel like he's also got a style that would mesh pretty
• 1:12:33
  well with Antoine's as in Antoine's gonna have a lot of openings to the batter the guy
• 1:12:41
  Ramirez is going to take it and like it's gonna make like you know like a what was it Rocky
• 1:12:46
  three. Oh no he's not getting hurt he's getting mad. Correct. Correct. I mean he's not gonna
• 1:12:57
  ever let off his gas but he kind of just yeah floors it until he runs out of gas. So I think
• 1:13:05
  something like that is a more intriguing fight because with Barrios he's he sort of even
• 1:13:10
  has some with some real good boxers and I feel like his his overall skill set and kind
• 1:13:17
  of the knowledge he's built up is going to be probably a little too much for Russell
• 1:13:21
  right now if that were to happen next. Yeah I agree with you on the experience aspect.
• 1:13:29
  For Barrios like Ramirez also has good experience but like he hasn't come necessarily come out
• 1:13:35
  on the better end of it like as so meaning like he learned something from it at least
• 1:13:42
  it doesn't appear to be to me. That reminds me about Barrios I saw something after the
• 1:13:49
  Garcia fight that Barrios was made to sign like a rehydration clause against tank or
• 1:13:56
  some shit like that. I know it's kind of like off topic but I just remember seeing his name.
• 1:14:00
  I didn't know that. Yeah Barrios was like I just signed a rehydration clause against
• 1:14:04
  tank also but never brought it to light. Now I'm thinking like all right I guess not everyone's
• 1:14:09
  talking about you know Ryan's rehydration clause and xyz with tank now Barrios is going
• 1:14:13
  to mention it too but if that is true I wonder how the fight would have gone different if
• 1:14:18
  Barrios didn't have a clause if he ever really did. That maybe is a whole nother can of worms
• 1:14:25
  because I've been wondering this myself how much do those clauses really hurt you because
• 1:14:31
  you only there's this like this misconception that you have to weigh you can only weigh a
• 1:14:36
  maximum of whatever the clause says in the ring but it's only like that morning the next morning
• 1:14:42
  9 a.m. right so you have time to hike like you're gonna probably gain five more pounds just some
• 1:14:47
  water weight. You just don't have overnight as well to do it. That's true so I mean there's a cap but
• 1:14:54
  yeah is it I am curious. It's a slight cap but not as bad as people think it is.
• 1:15:06
  Yeah that was just like a side note because I saw an article on that but
• 1:15:12
  Barrios versus Romero. I was just gonna say Barrios versus Romero. Two guys that went against tank
• 1:15:19
  both obviously lost but I think Barrios honestly I would too he seems he's been around the block
• 1:15:27
  more whereas Romero is kind of a jackass that his mouth got him into the ring with tank more than
• 1:15:33
  anything. Yeah it seems like Romero is better with his words than his hands. We'll see how he
• 1:15:38
  fares. I think Romero would genuinely get stopped by everyone else on this list. You think? Yeah
• 1:15:45
  Wow. He is such a crude boxer like the only thing he has is his power and he's only been able to land
• 1:15:55
  that power shots on like a really bad competition. And 35 guys. Yeah right. I don't know keep it in a
• 1:16:04
  buck I don't know if Ryan Garcia is beating Romero. That's an interesting one right there
• 1:16:11
  Ryan Garcia and Romero. There's that whole there's that footage I'm sparring on YouTube
• 1:16:17
  but that was like five six years ago too so they've obviously evolved but I don't keep it a buck I
• 1:16:22
  think. I'm not sure if I see Ryan beating Romero. I think Ryan you have to bring in the
• 1:16:32
  the same variables of does he go to a better camp. Reynoso or otherwise. And I don't like Romero I
• 1:16:43
  don't know what variables are there. Yeah what camps do you under Romero? I don't know. I have no idea.
• 1:16:53
  I would be shocked if Ryan Garcia lost to Romero he needs to like quit boxing like
• 1:16:59
  I'm being serious like you cannot lose Romero and continue like having any kind of world title
• 1:17:06
  aspiration. Yeah Romero is pretty like an orthodox fighter like he is definitely has a funky ass style
• 1:17:13
  and Ryan's just not that good. It's just two of the worst people but it's like which one's the
• 1:17:22
  better worst person. I just feel like Ryan's offense is just I mean he's so like if he was
• 1:17:30
  you know a video game character all his he stacked all his points in offense right
• 1:17:34
  and he's I feel like he has to with all that talent he has to land something before Romero does.
• 1:17:42
  You know I mean I could be wrong but I this I can't even envision that scene
• 1:17:48
  and I would I would genuinely be stunned. I mean was Ryan landing on a tank all that
• 1:17:55
  way he kind of has some good shots on tank. Round one. In the first two rounds before the knockdown
• 1:18:01
  and then in round six he started landing more consistently with that straight right.
• 1:18:07
  Yeah so I mean I don't know I'm gonna throw up Romero and Garcia as like a pure 50-50.
• 1:18:13
  Cromwell Gordon Bullitt is Raleigh's trainer. What the fuck is that? I have no idea.
• 1:18:23
  It's Johnny Tuko's gym whatever the fuck that means. The only Tuko I know is uh tight tight tight tight.
• 1:18:33
  Such a good show. Yeah I need to watch season six of Better Call Saul. You haven't watched that yet?
• 1:18:40
  I have not. I need to catch up because uh okay buddy chicanery doesn't make sense to me right now.
• 1:18:49
  Nobody nobody goes to the shitpost subreddit for the Breaking Bad universe. No
• 1:18:58
  I'm too busy I've been watching Modern Family.
• 1:19:01
  I need to be on your watch list. Do we continue anything more for 140 or do we move up to 47?
• 1:19:13
  I think we covered it pretty well. Yeah Ryan G and Romero's a 50-50 huh. Yeah pure 50-50 in my
• 1:19:21
  opinion. Interesting. All right welterweight here's our six uh Cody Crowley, Royman Villa, uh fucking
• 1:19:31
  I don't know his name's Stan Jonas and Butaev who most recently lost to Stan Jonas, Rashidi Ellis
• 1:19:39
  fought uh Romeo Villa not too long ago. And our lord and savior. I have him listed as eggs benedict
• 1:19:50
  but it's uh Connor Ben of course. God bless. So going back to it that Rashidi Ellis fight and uh
• 1:19:58
  Romane uh was it Villa? Yeah that fight was a banger. That was amazing. That was a real good one.
• 1:20:04
  I just had that shit in the bag until he gassed. I want to say it's like eight or nine and then Villa
• 1:20:10
  really put it on. Villa was like you got to enter my trap card. Yeah you had.
• 1:20:20
  That was that was a good one but honestly let's just let's let's address the elephant in the room
• 1:20:25
  i.e uh eggs benedict. Yeah uh assuming that he's fighting clean he like Stan Jonas and Butaev they
• 1:20:36
  put on a fucking banger. They were the last fight on the undercard of the like the prelims of uh
• 1:20:45
  Spence Ugass and they put on a banger. It was really really entertaining. Um it was that sort
• 1:20:54
  of what you would think at a like a 10,000 foot view. It's one of those phone booth like rock'em
• 1:21:02
  sock'em robots but like if you're looking at them the way like um traps uh you'd and obviously head
• 1:21:12
  movement but there are ways that you can pin your opponent's hands that uh Stan Jonas was using very
• 1:21:23
  effectively. Butaev did to a lesser extent but the way that they were able to like get you were you're
• 1:21:31
  like you make three moves in the right direction but turns out your opponent was doing the same
• 1:21:36
  thing so now you're you have to take like two steps back to reevaluate. It was it was like that
• 1:21:43
  Shakur Haney sort of high level high speed chess type of shit except their foreheads are touching
• 1:21:51
  pretty much. That's always a good fight though. Yeah. That always makes a good fight. It does.
• 1:21:59
  So real quick I want to ask is there is there a reason Virgil Ortiz is on this list? Does he have
• 1:22:07
  a belt? No it's not that. It's um so obviously Spence Crawford top two but of the of the coming
• 1:22:16
  crop Boots and Virgil like anyone on this list loses to both of them. I cannot think of Virgil
• 1:22:26
  he's either going to stop all of them or he's gonna beat the shit out of them for 12 rounds.
• 1:22:31
  Boots is gonna make them look like clowns until he stops them. Even Stan Jonas? Yeah even Stan Jonas.
• 1:22:36
  Really? Yeah. Oh okay. I think I think Boots has a better and easier time with Stan Jonas than
• 1:22:44
  Virgil does but Virgil still would still beat him. I don't see uh I don't see Virgil or Boots losing
• 1:22:52
  to anybody here. Including fucking eat all the eggs you want Connor Ben.
• 1:23:00
  Okay that's fair. That's why they didn't go out. Yeah Ken I got one.
• 1:23:05
  Whereas these guys have vulnerabilities. Connor Ben his biggest vulnerability being a fucking
• 1:23:14
  moron. So we just talked about two of the guys or two fights that involve guys on this list Villa
• 1:23:25
  and Ellis and Stan Jonas and Budiev. What do you all think about taking the winners of those fights
• 1:23:32
  and the losers of those fights? So be Ellis versus Stan and Budiev versus Villa. How do we feel about
• 1:23:39
  those fights? I think Stan Jonas probably I'm not gonna well I think he wins. How? That I'm not sure.
• 1:23:55
  Might be a late stoppage because Ellis gases. He obviously was able to withstand pressure very well.
• 1:24:03
  He did it against Royman Villa so he can do it. It's just a matter of if his stamina is enough.
• 1:24:13
  But now will Stan Jonas bring on more pressure than Villa or? He'll bring on smarter pressure I think.
• 1:24:20
  And now that brings on the question of you know is Ellis gonna tire out quicker with that mentally
• 1:24:25
  and physically too? Because I guess you think about it like what's smart pressure in a way?
• 1:24:35
  Like mental pressure or make them think more kind of like how Loma does.
• 1:24:38
  Yeah. Or just like Villa did just full-on brute forcing it. Yeah Villa's like that is that's his mo.
• 1:24:46
  So him versus Budiev like that's a CTE festival. I think the fans definitely win that fight.
• 1:25:00
  Yeah of course. Yeah 100%. If you want brutality then this is the one for you.
• 1:25:04
  Hmm I'm not man I'm really wondering now. I'm really second guessing my certainty on Stan Jonas.
• 1:25:15
  I think I would take Ellis. I like Stan but I think in that match if I take Ellis and I think
• 1:25:24
  I would take Budiev against Villa. I would as well on that one. Okay so you take Ellis over Stan Jonas.
• 1:25:32
  Would you take Crowley over Stan Jonas? The same kind of like boxer type? No I think Stan would
• 1:25:43
  would take that one. He went life and death with Abel Ramos but he also really had had a really
• 1:25:50
  really difficult situation at home. So take that to mean what you will. Man I'm really
• 1:26:04
  standing on this Ellis. I'm not sure anymore. It's a tough one. Yeah that's a good one.
• 1:26:11
  I'm like my hamster reel just spinning right now kind of trying to think about that.
• 1:26:14
  That might be the best fight out of all these six I think. Well let's not you know leave out
• 1:26:21
  Conor Ben here. Are we making omelets? Who's gonna crack these eggs? I like mine scrambled.
• 1:26:31
  I think Villa is tailor-made for a guy like Conor Ben. 100%. Budiev to a lesser degree
• 1:26:41
  but still probably gets the win there. Stan Jonas is a good question mark. That'll be a good fight
• 1:26:49
  I think. Speaking of our Lord and Savior Conor Ben I saw them. I don't know if you guys saw it too
• 1:26:58
  but like him and Tank are beefing. It's a very odd beef. It's like two classes like just different
• 1:27:06
  and now I thought about it. I was like Ben versus Tank you know at what weird weight could they do
• 1:27:13
  that at? Well here's the weight they could do that. They could do it fully at 147 pounds if
• 1:27:21
  Ben somehow gets his hands on like the WA regular belt or something like that
• 1:27:26
  and then Tank could say he won a belt in another weight class. Oh man. That's how that's the move.
• 1:27:32
  I think Conor Ben would just take his head off. You think so? I don't know if Conor Ben can punch
• 1:27:39
  that low. I don't know. That's a tough fight to call because I know Conor not that I know but like
• 1:27:48
  I'm pretty sure Conor Ben would just brute force into a Tank and try to take his head off. Try to
• 1:27:52
  bully him? And if he lands like it could be a good fight. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.
• 1:28:00
  If he lands like it could be like you know Christmas for Tank lights out.
• 1:28:07
  That's true because Ben he's campaigned above 154 pounds too so he's kind of a huge
• 1:28:14
  welterweight isn't he? Maybe I'm just giving you know Ben too much credit because like I like his
• 1:28:20
  dad. You say a huge 140. My normal thinking is to say like a meaty or beefy but I wanted to say
• 1:28:31
  eggy for Conor Ben. Everyone's laughing. All right so we had this one with Ellis kind of being
• 1:28:42
  of these of this crop the the slickest most slick technical type but what about Ellis Ben uh
• 1:28:52
  Benedict Ellis versus Ben and then Crowley versus Ben. Oh because Crowley's a bit more
• 1:29:00
  hittable even before his like his family tragedies. That's a tough one to call.
• 1:29:08
  I think Crowley and Ben would be easier to call. Crowley and Ben is definitely the fight to make
• 1:29:14
  because I think they're both. They have the third like similar yeah similar level of profile.
• 1:29:21
  And they'll want to do more or less the same thing so stylistically they mesh pretty well
• 1:29:26
  or at least Crowley he's used his last two fights have been uh you know drawn out kind of slugfest.
• 1:29:33
  Rashidi and Ben though.
• 1:29:38
  Speedy Rashidi. That that's doesn't question mark. I don't know like
• 1:29:45
  what if Ben catches like Rashidi like what happens then or she's gonna box his head off all night.
• 1:29:51
  Ben catches like Rashidi like what happens then or she's gonna box his head off all night.
• 1:30:01
  Yes that's what he that he's can do that he can. Right. It's the matter of like sustainability.
• 1:30:11
  This could be a Lara versus uh what's his face the Englishman.
• 1:30:17
  Um.
• 1:30:22
  Versus Wood. Oh that Lara. Those situations where he just he's he's getting kind of boxed the whole
• 1:30:29
  night and then he just gets caught with one punch and it's over. I was thinking of the other Lara.
• 1:30:33
  I was like when did Arislandi Lara fight a British person. That's what I was thinking too like the
• 1:30:39
  fucking the error 404k in my head. I'm pretty sure he has some fought a British person. I I'll see you know what I'm gonna go with Rashidi on this one against Ben. I'm gonna go Rashidi.
• 1:30:54
  Yeah I think I would as well. I yeah I think so. Ben if his cardio keeps up it doesn't get gassed.
• 1:31:02
  Um because we know Ben's gonna go with the same type of pressure that uh Villa did so
• 1:31:06
  if Rashidi can either just get Ben out early because I mean we don't really know how durable Ben is either. He's never really been like cracked too hard. No egg pun intended.
• 1:31:15
  No no no egg pun absolutely intended. Egg pun intended yeah. I mean either way we just
• 1:31:21
  there's still some questions about Ben that we don't know.
• 1:31:24
  I wouldn't put it up to I wouldn't think Rashidi would stop Connor Ben. Um if the gas tank holds up then yeah it could be a close but clear sort of sweep.
• 1:31:43
  Crowley get I think he would get touched a bit too much by Connor Ben and it would be
• 1:31:50
  it would spell the end for him later not so much sooner like his other opponents have.
• 1:32:03
  I'm gonna go with Rashidi though. That's my final take on that one.
• 1:32:06
  I'm gonna go with Rashidi on against Connor Ben as well.
• 1:32:09
  That will as well yeah that's so does Rashidi beat everybody on this list?
• 1:32:21
  Because now I get a rematch with Villa. If he beats Stan he probably does.
• 1:32:27
  If he can beat Stan Jonas. Crowley's interesting fight. Crowley would be tough but I think that's a winnable fight.
• 1:32:34
  To see how with like him being more of a technician he's probably been matched with a lot more boxer puncher like pressure puncher types.
• 1:32:44
  So how he handles a more tech more of a technician like Crowley that would be interesting.
• 1:32:51
  It's like a what like Mayweather didn't really fight any technicians in the latter half of his career.
• 1:32:57
  Somebody I don't remember his name but in discord pops in like every couple of months to say that Canelo won't fight a black fighter ever.
• 1:33:09
  Wait who is this? That's RGF's bit isn't it? No it's LZ that's what it is.
• 1:33:20
  LZ yeah he stands hard for Andre saying that Canelo won't fight a black fighter especially not Andre.
• 1:33:36
  Can we get him a GoFundMe for like mental health? It's funny in general whenever there's a lot of you know grays in the chat.
• 1:33:48
  Because they bite they always bite they can't help themselves but it just like off days it's like Tuesday afternoon bro stop like you don't have to commit to the bit right now.
• 1:34:02
  You can just be a person right now it's fine. So it gets it gets a little stale when it doesn't when he's relentless.
• 1:34:11
  So if that's the case then Connor Ben will never fight it well he'll never fight a black fighter.
• 1:34:31
  He's got he's trying to avoid a skilled technician like Rashidi Ellis.
• 1:34:36
  Alright no matter what matchup you put these six guys in whatever iteration of them you want.
• 1:34:52
  And about fights yeah absolutely but I want to say round four to six.
• 1:35:00
  You'll hear Boots's music and he's running to the ring with a steel chair.
• 1:35:06
  He beats them all it's easy.
• 1:35:10
  Where's where's the Crawford in all this?
• 1:35:17
  Crawford and Spencer fighting on top of hell in a cell and Crawford's gonna get thrown 16 feet through the announcer's table.
• 1:35:27
  And then Ben jumps up with the chair hits Spencer over the back of the head and then Ben's Connor Ben's your champion now.
• 1:35:43
  It's like the nightmare long rotation.
• 1:35:45
  Yeah it is man I can do that shit all day.
• 1:35:49
  Hold on a second okay now some just some quicks some quick points before we get out of here.
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  We already talked about in the previous episode that we released we talked about these fights but
• 1:36:03
  Johnny Beck fucking last name versus Steven Butler the champion versus.
• 1:36:09
  It's something that it started with on ultimate fucking casual where like I honestly don't look up how to pronounce these names.
• 1:36:22
  I don't and so I'm reading down the list and I get to one I'm like oh fuck I don't know how to say this.
• 1:36:29
  So this is definitely an old fuck name.
• 1:36:31
  Yeah it's uh Johnny Beck last name the WBO champion at 160 versus ranked 6. WBO rankings are garbage so that's probably gonna be an easy night.
• 1:36:43
  Jason Maloney versus Vincent Astrolavio 1 and 2 for the vacant WBO bantamweight.
• 1:36:51
  Dude that's kind of a fire last name Astrolavio it's pretty fire.
• 1:36:54
  Um RGF calls it a space pussy.
• 1:36:59
  Astrolav oh god.
• 1:37:00
  Yeah I got there in the end.
• 1:37:06
  You got me.
• 1:37:07
  Yep that's uh that was a good one like I was definitely taken aback when I first heard it as well.
• 1:37:14
  That is only an RGF comment too.
• 1:37:19
  Anything any uh comments on either of those two?
• 1:37:25
  Baloney.
• 1:37:25
  I'll be honest I don't really follow them all that much to have any comments on those.
• 1:37:34
  Will I watch? Of course.
• 1:37:36
  Yeah same.
• 1:37:39
  I'll just say I hope Jannabek wins. I know he's not I know realistically speaking he's not that good but I want him to be good.
• 1:37:47
  I want Jannabek to become good overnight so.
• 1:37:50
  160 is pretty light so like the field's pretty clear.
• 1:37:55
  Right but as soon as like someone with actual like.
• 1:37:59
  Jermell Charlo.
• 1:38:01
  Yeah I mean if he ever came back he'd wipe the floor with him.
• 1:38:04
  No Jermell moves up to 60.
• 1:38:06
  Oh right right yeah that would have been he'd be coming up pretty quick.
• 1:38:13
  Uh okay one more on May 13th as well in Vegas Rolando Romero who we talked about versus Ismael Barroso.
• 1:38:21
  This is ranked 5 and 1 respectively for the WBA interim 140 title.
• 1:38:29
  Barroso for being ranked number one like this is probably the first time I've heard about him.
• 1:38:36
  To me that's pretty telling.
• 1:38:38
  Yeah he's not a very popular name it seems like because I had to look him up before.
• 1:38:42
  Like when I saw Rolando in my fight I was like who the fuck is this guy.
• 1:38:46
  He also looks very unfortunate in his box track photo.
• 1:38:51
  Yeah RGF pointed it out and was like man what are they doing to you. Look how they massacred my boy.
• 1:39:01
  Broke.
• 1:39:02
  Yeah.
• 1:39:02
  Oh my god.
• 1:39:10
  That is an unfortunate photo.
• 1:39:13
  Unfortunate.
• 1:39:15
  Oh my lord.
• 1:39:16
  Yeah pretty bad.
• 1:39:18
  Wait he's 40 years old?
• 1:39:19
  Yeah 40.
• 1:39:21
  He looks like 50.
• 1:39:22
  Photo of Barroso?
• 1:39:24
  Yeah.
• 1:39:24
  Yeah it's bad.
• 1:39:25
  It's bad.
• 1:39:28
  Oh no.
• 1:39:29
  He's pretty rough.
• 1:39:30
  RGF.
• 1:39:32
  While you look that up let's move down real quick.
• 1:39:35
  May 17th Wednesday it's a Pro Box Wednesday Night Fights card.
• 1:39:39
  Those are usually pretty fun so I recommend to anyone listening to check it out.
• 1:39:43
  It's only like two dollars a month or like 20 bucks for the year.
• 1:39:48
  It's worth it I'm telling you.
• 1:39:50
  Oh fuck yeah.
• 1:39:51
  Uh okay and May 20th in Dublin Ireland's Katie Taylor the women's lightweight undisputed
• 1:39:59
  champion takes on the women's 140 undisputed champion Chantal Cameron and Cecilia Breckes
• 1:40:07
  has not retired and is fighting for the 154 WBA title against Terry Harper.
• 1:40:14
  The meat of that weekend will be at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas Nevada Devin Haney the
• 1:40:22
  undisputed 135 champ versus Vasyl Lomachenko I stopped to look these up in the IBF WBA WBC WBO
• 1:40:34
  he is ranked third third first and first respectively so he's not they're not just
• 1:40:40
  putting him in because he's a name.
• 1:40:45
  Let's talk about it.
• 1:40:46
  Yeah go ahead.
• 1:40:47
  What do you what do you got to say what do you want to say?
• 1:40:49
  What did you pick a team on uh on discord?
• 1:40:53
  Oh there are teams on it already?
• 1:40:54
  Yeah.
• 1:40:54
  Let me check.
• 1:40:55
  Haney Stans and Bro Machenko.
• 1:40:58
  I'm gonna uh well that's gonna answer my question here but honestly I'm going Bro
• 1:41:02
  Machenko on this one.
• 1:41:03
  Bro Machenko.
• 1:41:03
  Yeah let's go.
• 1:41:06
  The team yeah I a lot of people are counting Devin out that's pretty wild.
• 1:41:12
  And I'll tell you why this is my take on it I just don't think he's experienced enough like
• 1:41:17
  there's still questions answered about Devin Haney like okay he's got the skill but is his
• 1:41:24
  power there?
• 1:41:25
  No.
• 1:41:26
  Can you really can't take a punch that well we saw a washed up on Naras Rockham.
• 1:41:30
  Yeah.
• 1:41:30
  And he held on for dear life and now we know Loma is not really a power puncher by any means but
• 1:41:36
  that pressure as well like.
• 1:41:38
  He'll almost go ahead.
• 1:41:39
  Go ahead.
• 1:41:40
  If he gets he's if his agility is still there he'll get you out of position enough to catch
• 1:41:44
  you clean plenty of times that it'll add up.
• 1:41:48
  Exactly but that and also Loma likes to fight dirty in the pocket so I just don't know like
• 1:41:56
  Haney likes to tie up Loma likes to fight dirty in the pocket so I feel like it's just tailor
• 1:42:01
  made for Loma in a way.
• 1:42:02
  I may be just being biased as well but I'm having a Bro Machenko on this one.
• 1:42:09
  I agree uh with that a lot and I think my only question in this fight is what kind of
• 1:42:14
  Loma are we seeing because if it's the Loma that showed up against Ortiz and I think unfortunately
• 1:42:20
  I have to pick uh Haney but I do think that that's not what Loma all Loma can be going
• 1:42:29
  forward.
• 1:42:29
  I do think being in boxing uh for a couple more camps since you know training more uh kind of
• 1:42:39
  getting back into his rhythm getting back into fighting shape I think that we're going to see
• 1:42:44
  something closer to you know the Loma we're used to.
• 1:42:48
  Even if he's not fully back I think he gives Haney a lot of stylistic problems and I think
• 1:42:55
  in the clinch he's very good at you know you see some of these highlights where he someone
• 1:43:00
  clinches him and he's able to wiggle out of there and as he's getting out he'll throw an overhand
• 1:43:05
  and you know get the guy off guard and that is his opportunity to jump back inside and
• 1:43:10
  start something else and
• 1:43:11
  I just don't know how Haney's gonna respond to that I feel like he's kind of got his one way to win.
• 1:43:16
  That's what I'm saying I feel like Haney's just too unexperienced for this kind of a fight and
• 1:43:22
  this is kind of I hate to say it but like also another stars aligned moment where Haney beat
• 1:43:27
  Kambosas not so much stars aligned we know Haney was gonna kind of beat Kambosas but
• 1:43:31
  stars line that sense of like all right Kambosas is a shit champ let me go beat him and become
• 1:43:36
  champ.
• 1:43:36
  Right and he's almost kind of I mean he was kind of on his own hype before that but now he's sort
• 1:43:42
  of like now that he's got all the belts he's like you know calling out Tank and you know talking
• 1:43:49
  trash with Ryan Garcia and it's like I don't know if you want to be talking to those guys.
• 1:43:54
  I'm not sure if Tank's the right one for you to be.
• 1:43:57
  But that's what I'm saying like is Haney gonna be another case of these guys at 35?
• 1:44:02
  Who just bought into their own hype?
• 1:44:10
  Um one can only hope.
• 1:44:14
  It would be interesting to see if the field clears a little more at 135.
• 1:44:19
  Um is Tank Shakur is that gonna be the the ultimate boss battle?
• 1:44:27
  I think I think it is already anyway Devin Haney notwithstanding.
• 1:44:37
  Tank and Shakur that'll be a good fight but who do we what do we have for that one like how's it go?
• 1:44:46
  Tank sparks him in the first 30 seconds.
• 1:44:49
  That's it done.
• 1:44:50
  Done the fight's over like I'm glad thank you all for your 74.99.
• 1:44:54
  Oh dude I hope not that's a little pricey.
• 1:44:59
  I hope so I hope not as well.
• 1:45:03
  Yeah I don't I don't know man but I mean just yeah going back to it I'm gonna put my chips on
• 1:45:07
  Bermachenko I just don't think Haney has the experience or the power to keep Loma off him
• 1:45:13
  and I mean for being honest Loma seems pretty durable like yeah he did kind of get mauled by
• 1:45:18
  TFMO not mauled I shouldn't say that he took some punches from Lopez.
• 1:45:22
  Because Jaime got him a good Jaime Jaime got him a good time and he did get mauled by Salido.
• 1:45:31
  Yeah on his nuts for sure.
• 1:45:33
  Definitely having no kids or whatever but I don't know I'm just gonna go up Bermachenko.
• 1:45:39
  The experience is there um they all say like his age gonna catch up to him but
• 1:45:44
  if we think about it Loma was in shape like all year round constantly training so
• 1:45:48
  how much that really affected him by age if he's gonna stay always in shape.
• 1:45:52
  He hit up Tom Brady for his recipe to the youth the family.
• 1:45:58
  And he is also a pro with a pretty short like you know he spent a lot of his time in the
• 1:46:05
  amateurs right he's only got what 15 pro fights so he's he's older but he doesn't have like
• 1:46:10
  the way crazy ring by right he's not been in like a lot of wars either so he's not he's not got
• 1:46:17
  the ring where that you know someone his age might in another weight class.
• 1:46:24
  Question on this if Loma chenko loses what will be the excuse that everyone's gonna start making
• 1:46:33
  because anytime every time Loma chenko is lost there's always an excuse.
• 1:46:40
  What was the Salido?
• 1:46:41
  Bo's his ace.
• 1:46:42
  Bo's his ace. Salido was the nuts which like like dude okay if you're getting punched in the nuts
• 1:46:48
  and the ref's not saying anything you start punching him in the nuts.
• 1:46:53
  It's really fucking simple if he's hitting you there it must and no one's saying anything
• 1:46:57
  then it must be allowed go for it. Don't give me any of this honorable fucking gentleman bullshit
• 1:47:04
  Loma chenko's a dickhead.
• 1:47:08
  Is he really though?
• 1:47:09
  In the ring yeah.
• 1:47:09
  That was actually.
• 1:47:10
  Oh in the ring yeah.
• 1:47:12
  I will say that was the turning point for him going forward he became a much dirtier boxer.
• 1:47:16
  Yeah.
• 1:47:17
  When you realized that's kind of.
• 1:47:18
  It's allowed.
• 1:47:19
  What being a pro is about.
• 1:47:20
  Position yourself properly where the ref can't necessarily see it and fuck it let him fly.
• 1:47:25
  That's what happens.
• 1:47:27
  Yeah because I was only asking because I heard he was a dickhead like outside of boxing too
• 1:47:31
  but that's a different story.
• 1:47:32
  Yeah I've heard the same as well that he's when he's interviewed in Ukrainian he's really
• 1:47:39
  really arrogant.
• 1:47:44
  But whatever all right so you guys are both going with Loma chenko.
• 1:47:49
  For me this is has nothing to do this pick has nothing to do with skills.
• 1:47:54
  I'm going with Devin Haney just because I don't want Loma chenko to be an undisputed champion.
• 1:47:59
  That's it.
• 1:48:00
  Fair enough.
• 1:48:00
  I have no other reason that's not even really a valid one.
• 1:48:04
  So okay.
• 1:48:05
  Oh go ahead.
• 1:48:06
  I'm sorry I was going to say what if I can make this a little bit of an easier
• 1:48:10
  pill for you to swallow Leo.
• 1:48:13
  What if Loma becomes undisputed champion and then fights tank next.
• 1:48:19
  God damn it.
• 1:48:21
  Yes.
• 1:48:22
  Can we sacrifice Loma to tanks like rising glory and make tank undisputed if just for one fight
• 1:48:28
  Loma could be undisputed champ.
• 1:48:30
  Yes okay I'll take it.
• 1:48:34
  In that case he's all in for it dude.
• 1:48:35
  My my disdain for Loma chenko is not as good as my love for tank.
• 1:48:42
  It's not as big.
• 1:48:43
  All right let's move on.
• 1:48:44
  Baloney brother number two is fighting he's ranked number two.
• 1:48:49
  Junto Nakatani ranked one.
• 1:48:50
  This is the vacant WBO superfly.
• 1:48:55
  And lastly Oscar Valdez versus Adam Lopez.
• 1:49:00
  This is a non-title fight 10 rounds.
• 1:49:03
  I'll be honest I had no idea about how he was even fighting.
• 1:49:06
  Yeah Valdez I don't know if he's even on like the the pay-per-view portion to be honest with
• 1:49:11
  you.
• 1:49:11
  I think he might be the headline of the prelims which is kind of sad.
• 1:49:18
  Oh man Shakur really ruined his career.
• 1:49:19
  Yeah no well no Valdez and Reynoso ruined his career.
• 1:49:25
  True.
• 1:49:26
  Oh hey he's.
• 1:49:27
  His career was ruined before he even fought Shakur.
• 1:49:30
  I'm sorry what were you saying.
• 1:49:31
  Oh no he's like oh he's he's he's he's got me at the end of his jab and I don't know what to do.
• 1:49:38
  Do it for your country.
• 1:49:40
  Bro I need actual advice here.
• 1:49:46
  Is the uh what was just was good luck.
• 1:49:50
  Abel Abel Sanchez yeah hey just go knock him out.
• 1:49:53
  Yeah just like Teofimo senior same shit.
• 1:49:56
  Knock him out bro what the fuck's wrong with you.
• 1:49:58
  Bro that's my that's that's my favorite like just line from like boxing history.
• 1:50:04
  Just knock him out bro what the fuck's wrong with you.
• 1:50:09
  Man if oh wow why didn't I think of it before.
• 1:50:11
  Thanks thanks dad.
• 1:50:13
  Oh shit no kidding pops.
• 1:50:14
  Knock him out fuck what was I supposed to do before I don't even know what I was trying
• 1:50:19
  to do before thank you.
• 1:50:20
  Should I should I be breathing during the rounds too or should I be like holding my
• 1:50:23
  breath the whole time.
• 1:50:24
  Where did my hands go I don't know what to do with my hands.
• 1:50:33
  Oh man.
• 1:50:35
  Uh okay I think that's gonna do it for us this evening.
• 1:50:38
  This went on a lot holy shit a lot longer than I thought but still very good.
• 1:50:44
  Um I'll I would like to do these more.
• 1:50:47
  I'll have to maybe trim down how many divisions we talk about or cut out the uh preview stuff.
• 1:50:54
  But oh well.
• 1:50:56
  That was a good time I enjoyed it.
• 1:50:59
  Yeah this was fun um maybe next week or a week after whatever we'll see.
• 1:51:04
  Uh real quick the plugs plugs plugs plugs.
• 1:51:08
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• 1:51:14
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• 1:51:17
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• 1:51:21
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• 1:51:29
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• 1:52:05
  Gentlemen parting words.
• 1:52:09
  Um it was great let's do it again soon and um yeah that's pretty much it.
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  That's pretty much it. I'm too crazy on my side.
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  Yeah good time as always thank you for having me.
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  Oh I was expecting a good old Buck Tyson Fury.
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  Uh I wanted to leave that for you this time.
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  Oh thank you.
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  That's all yours brother.
• 1:52:30
  Thank you I was I kind of I suspected that might be why you for you left it out.
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  So yeah Chief if you're listening Buck Tyson Fury twice and uh we need the status on Brock.
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  Where is he?
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  I've did you see the name of the task force?
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  It's in the show notes of the last uh yeah the casual.
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  Wait wait wait wait side note why is um the discord like the thing it says the uh
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  RGF plus the Z's pack watch.
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  Oh they were uh Ryan Garcia.
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  They were cheering for Ryan Garcia.
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  Poor Bastards.
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  Yeah I was too just I thought it was better for the sport.
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  That's my new name at work is Poor Bastards.
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  The data engineer team has been renamed to the Poor Bastards.
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  And so where did the you said all right task force was named somewhere.
• 1:53:17
  Yeah I don't see it on the show notes.
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  Episode description is at the end world task force Brock returns to us valiantly.
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  Oh man and that's a Chief Inspector Chief.
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  Look forward to the story of his harrowing rescue next week on ultimate F'ing Casuals.
• 1:53:39
  Uh that's a two weeks.
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  Two weeks.
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  Yep all right uh yeah enough insider jokes.
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