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Hamas Using a Hospital as a Military Base · The Ben Ferguson Podcast

• 0:01
  Speaker 1: Israel fighting back against Hamas now going on the offensive
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  Speaker 1: in Gaza on the ground.
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  Speaker 2: The international community.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, is saying that this is the worst thing
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  Speaker 1: that could ever happen. Not the beheading of little infant
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  Speaker 1: children and the beheading and raping of women that happen
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  Speaker 1: at the hands of Hamas.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, no, that is not the worst thing that
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  Speaker 2: could happen.
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  Speaker 1: It's Israel defending themselves and killing terrorists. That apparently is
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  Speaker 1: the worst thing that could happen. If you listen to
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  Speaker 1: the media. Now, Israel made it very clear what they're
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  Speaker 1: doing and why they're doing it. The IDF says it's
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  Speaker 1: increasing their ground operation in Gaza. I want you to
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  Speaker 1: hear what they said on NBC about this, and then
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  Speaker 1: you're gonna hear from Mark Regev from the Israeli government
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  Speaker 1: talking about why they're doing this.
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  Speaker 2: Listen carefully.
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  Speaker 3: We are watching increased activity from Israel into Gaza, with
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  Speaker 3: explosions there. The Times of Israel is reporting that Palacinians
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  Speaker 3: say there is a gunfire being exchanged between IDF tanks
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  Speaker 3: and troops in Gaza. This is according to the Times
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  Speaker 3: of Israel. Joining US now is Ambassador Mark rege' senior
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  Speaker 3: advisor to Prime Minister Benjamin Nyahu and a former Israeli
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  Speaker 3: ambassador to the UK. Ambassador, thank you very much. Can
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  Speaker 3: you tell us anything about this report from the Times
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  Speaker 3: of Israel that there's gunfire being exchanged between IDF tanks,
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  Speaker 3: IDF troops and Palestinians Commas.
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  Speaker 4: I guess maybe, as you can understand, I won't go
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  Speaker 4: into operations that are currently ongoing, but I can say
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  Speaker 4: the following. We are beefing up the pressure on Commas.
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  Speaker 4: We're hitting them hard. We'll be hitting them harder, and
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  Speaker 4: the goal, as I said to you in a previous broadcast,
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  Speaker 4: is to destroy the Hamas military machine and to dismantle
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  Speaker 4: its control over Gaza. We're beefing up the pressure and
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  Speaker 4: they'll doubly feeling it more and more.
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  Speaker 3: Is this the ground incursion? Is it happening right now?
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  Speaker 3: Is beefing up just another way to describe it.
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  Speaker 4: I can't go into the current operation. That would be
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  Speaker 4: unprofessional from my point of view. I can say this
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  Speaker 4: that everyone was saying, well, Israel, you know it wasn't
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  Speaker 4: going to do it, that Israel is waiting, that Israel, well,
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  Speaker 4: we waited, we prepared, we planned and we're hitting them
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  Speaker 4: where it hurts them.
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  Speaker 1: Mark is absolutely right, And what are you saying there
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  Speaker 1: at the end, that they should hit them where it
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  Speaker 1: hurts them. That is something I think it's very valuable
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  Speaker 1: and an important point that needs to be made over
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  Speaker 1: and over again that this is a defensive decision by Israel.
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  Speaker 1: Israel did not choose for their citizens to be attacked
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  Speaker 1: in their nine to eleven in the butchery the way
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  Speaker 1: that these Hamas terris did it. They did not ask
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  Speaker 1: for Iran to train five hundred plus people and literally
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  Speaker 1: parascel them in to kill innocent people at a concert.
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  Speaker 1: They didn't ask for this fight. But it is certainly
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  Speaker 1: theirs to fit. Now. The media, of course, is holding
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  Speaker 1: Israel to a different standard than Hamas and the terrorists.
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  Speaker 1: Mark Righev was also asked about war crimes, and I
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  Speaker 1: want you to hear his response to that.
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  Speaker 2: Listen, rules of international law are clear.
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  Speaker 4: If there's a bridge, you can't target the bridge. The
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  Speaker 4: minute the other side uses tanks to cross the bridge,
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  Speaker 4: then the bridge is a legitimate target. Hamas has turned
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  Speaker 4: the hospital into a legitimate target. I don't say we're
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  Speaker 4: going to hit it. We don't want to hurt innocent civilians.
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  Speaker 4: That's part of the is Ready mantra. We believe that sincerely,
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  Speaker 4: but Hamas has committed a war crime and it must
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  Speaker 4: be understood by the entire international community. Has committed a
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  Speaker 4: grave war crime turning a hospital into its command and control,
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  Speaker 4: and they deserve to be condemned from wall to wolf
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  Speaker 4: with that sort of baga.
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  Speaker 1: Now, what you just heard from that Israeli spokesman is
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  Speaker 1: that there is a new story that the media is
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  Speaker 1: not wanting to talk about. It is the fact that
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  Speaker 1: Hamas's main operations based is now under Shifa Hospital in
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  Speaker 1: Gaza City. The IDF is now saying. The military spokesperson
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  Speaker 1: also says the terror group has several underground complexes under
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  Speaker 1: Gaza's largest hospital. Senior Hamas members claims that Israel is
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  Speaker 1: using this to change what they refer to as a
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  Speaker 1: pretext for a massacre. Now, the Israeli Defense Forces said
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  Speaker 1: that the Hamas Terra group's main base of operations, they've
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  Speaker 1: located it.
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  Speaker 2: It's under a hospital.
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  Speaker 1: They provided visuals and intercepted audio is evidence of the
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  Speaker 1: terror organization activities. In a briefing for reporters of international
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  Speaker 1: media outlets, the IDF spokesman Rear Admiral Daniel Hagari said
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  Speaker 1: Hamas has several underground complexes under the hospital. It's the
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  Speaker 1: largest hospital on the Gaza Strip. They are used by
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  Speaker 1: the terror groups leaders to direct attacks against Israel. Hagari
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  Speaker 1: said Israel has intelligence that there are several other tunnels
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  Speaker 1: leading to the underground base from outside the hospital, so
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  Speaker 1: the Hamas officials do not need to enter the hospital
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  Speaker 1: to reach it. But Hagari added that there is also
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  Speaker 1: an entrance to the underground complex from within one of
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  Speaker 1: the wards. Right now, terrists moved freely in the hospital
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  Speaker 1: and other hospitals in Gaza. The military spokesman said Israel
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  Speaker 1: has concrete evidence that hundreds of terrists flooded into the
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  Speaker 1: hospital to hide following the October seventh massacre, in which
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  Speaker 1: some twenty five hundred Terrasts burst through the border undercover
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  Speaker 1: of a delusion of rockets and rampage through more than
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  Speaker 1: twenty communities near the Gaza Strip. They killed some oney
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  Speaker 1: four hundred people, the vast majority of them civilians, massacring
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  Speaker 1: them in their homes and at an outdoor music festival.
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  Speaker 1: They also abducted over two hundred and twenty people to
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  Speaker 1: the strip as hostages, and many of them they expect
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  Speaker 1: are going to be dead. According to the IDF, hamasa's
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  Speaker 1: internal security has also had a command center inside of
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  Speaker 1: the Sifa Hospital from which it directs rocket fire on
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  Speaker 1: Israel and stores their weaponry. The hospital's energy infrastructure is
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  Speaker 1: also used by hamas's underground base, accusing the terror group
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  Speaker 1: of using the hospital and its occupants more than one thousand,
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  Speaker 1: five hundred beds and some four thousand staff, as human shields.
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  Speaker 1: The information on Hamas's use of the hospital is based
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  Speaker 1: on a wide range of intelligent sources collected by the
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  Speaker 1: military intelligence and the Shinbet security agency. Hagari said the
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  Speaker 1: intel has already been provided to its allies. A senior
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  Speaker 1: member of the Hamas political bureau said that the Israeli
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  Speaker 1: military's allegations were quote unquote unfounded. Of course, the terrorist
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  Speaker 1: group would say that saying this, there's no basis in
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  Speaker 1: truth and what the spokesman of the Enemy army stated,
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  Speaker 1: accusing Israel of making up the allegations to pave the
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  Speaker 1: way for a new massacre to be committed against our people.
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  Speaker 1: He claimed forty thousand gosins have sought refuge in the
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  Speaker 1: hospital as a result of Israel's aerial bombardment of the
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  Speaker 1: strip following the terror group's massive shack assault three weeks ago,
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  Speaker 1: and called on Arab and Muslim leaders to take action
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  Speaker 1: to stop the genocide against our people. Hamas wages war
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  Speaker 1: from the hospital. That's the headline. You need to understand.
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  Speaker 1: The terror group was also using fuels swored in hospitals
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  Speaker 1: to help carry out their operations. Again, that is something
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  Speaker 1: else that every American needs understanding. You need to take
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  Speaker 1: this information and you need to tell it to everybody
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  Speaker 1: you know. Now terrorists are moving freely in this hospital
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  Speaker 1: and other hospitals. Hamas is using the hospitals and taking
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  Speaker 1: away resources from those that are actually needing aid. Hamas
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  Speaker 1: Terras purposely are operating inside hospitals precisely because they know
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  Speaker 1: the IDF wouldn't not more than likely attack the hospital
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  Speaker 1: because the IDF distinguishes between terrists and civilians. Israel targets terrists,
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  Speaker 1: Hamas targets Israeli civilians and even Gaza civilians, is what
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  Speaker 1: the IDF said. In another statement, the military spokesman asserted
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  Speaker 1: that Hamas is stealing fuel from the civilians in Gaza.
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  Speaker 1: Israel block the entrance of fuel into the strip once
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  Speaker 1: the war started, so he appeared to be referring to
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  Speaker 1: fuel that was already in Gaza. There is fuel in
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  Speaker 1: hospitals in Gaza, and Hamas is using it for its
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  Speaker 1: tear infrastructure, playing a recording that he said was a
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  Speaker 1: conversation between a pair of Gazen residents who make the
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  Speaker 1: revelation talking about exactly what happened. In another conversation aired
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  Speaker 1: by the military, a senior Gazen energy official revealed that
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  Speaker 1: Hamas currently has at least a million leaders of gasoline
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  Speaker 1: and possibly more, which it stole from civilian projects and
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  Speaker 1: is currently hoarding to power its tunnel networks. All right,
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  Speaker 1: uprising claiming that Israel struck a hospital in Gaza that
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  Speaker 1: didn't happen. In fact, we found out that it was
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  Speaker 1: actually a rocket fired by Hamas that hit the parking
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  Speaker 1: lot of that hospital. The hospital was still standing, people
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  Speaker 1: did not die inside of the hospital. But what did
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  Speaker 1: the US media do? And let me just start with
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  Speaker 1: something that's amazing to me. I'm going to start by
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  Speaker 1: playing you Chris Clomo telling you don't believe everything you
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  Speaker 1: hear or see on social media because some of it
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  Speaker 1: can be, as he describes it, misinformation.
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  Speaker 2: Right, stay vigilant to not get duped.
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  Speaker 1: Then the very next statement you're going to hear is
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  Speaker 1: Chris Cuomo being duped and giving you misinformation on this
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  Speaker 1: Israel a fake attack on a hospital. Listen carefully, and
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  Speaker 1: he's not the only one in the media that has
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  Speaker 1: been lying on behalf of the terrorists.
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  Speaker 5: If there's a great opportunity for missing disinformation, especially on
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  Speaker 5: social media, I caution you to be very careful about
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  Speaker 5: what you choose to believe and on what basis The
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  Speaker 5: horrific scene at a hospital in Gaza today, an explosion
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  Speaker 5: that killed more than five hundred people. The government in
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  Speaker 5: Gaza says the Israeli Defense forts has struck a hospital
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  Speaker 5: in the center of Gaza City.
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  Speaker 6: It's an airstris kid a Gaza City hospital, killing at
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  Speaker 6: least five hundred people.
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  Speaker 3: Because of an alleged Israeli airstrike on a hospital in
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  Speaker 3: Gaza that Hamma's health officials say killed more than five
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  Speaker 3: hundred people.
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  Speaker 7: And when you're talking about five hundred people, you have
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  Speaker 7: to wonder how many of those people are innocent civilians.
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  Speaker 8: That minimum hundreds of people have been killed in what
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  Speaker 8: they say was an Israeli air strike where.
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  Speaker 9: A hospital was caved in, killing hundreds and stranding an
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  Speaker 9: untold number under the concrete.
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  Speaker 7: By far the deadliest Israeli airstrike.
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  Speaker 8: Ever, Hundreds taking shelter at a Gaza City hospital were
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  Speaker 8: killed in an Israeli air strike today.
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  Speaker 2: Israel says it was targeting Hamas hideouts. Palestinian officials saying
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  Speaker 2: at least five.
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  Speaker 10: Hundred people killed in what they claim was an Israeli airstrike.
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  Speaker 3: Aftermath of an alleged air strike on a Gaza hospital
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  Speaker 3: that killed more than five hundred people.
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  Speaker 8: An Israeli missile struct the hospital absolutely horrific loss of life.
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  Speaker 7: This is not the first time Bounds has actually hit
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  Speaker 7: what's supposed to be obviously a place of healing.
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  Speaker 2: Deadly explosion at a hospital in Gaza.
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  Speaker 5: Kallaspior official say hundreds were killed and they're blaming Israel.
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  Speaker 11: This was not a blast, This was not an explosion.
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  Speaker 8: This was an air strike. It was a deliberate or
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  Speaker 8: crime that Israel conducted on this hospital.
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  Speaker 7: At least two to three hundred people killed in that
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  Speaker 7: strike and many, many, many more feared dead. Now Hamas
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  Speaker 7: is calling this a genocide.
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  Speaker 6: Three hundred to three hundred people believed to be dead
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  Speaker 6: at a stage.
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  Speaker 2: Are also many examples of.
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  Speaker 5: Civilian deaths caused directly by Israel.
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  Speaker 2: There's no doubt about it.
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  Speaker 3: In the fog of war, what can we say for sure?
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  Speaker 8: The Baptist hospital in Gaza City, that's the northern half
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  Speaker 8: of Gaza, has taken a direct hit from an Israeli
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  Speaker 8: air strike. They are saying at minimum, at minimum three
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  Speaker 8: hundred people are dead.
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  Speaker 3: Egypt is saying it's very upset about this hospital bombing.
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  Speaker 3: Is The World Health Organization has strongly condemned the attack.
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  Speaker 2: How about don't bomb the hospitals? How about you you
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  Speaker 2: just admitted that you did bomb the hospital.
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  Speaker 7: And today the death toll rose significantly.
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  Speaker 3: In a horrific attack in Gaza, two hundred to three
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  Speaker 3: hundred people were killed.
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  Speaker 6: The Palestinians are talking about five hundred dead. Some initially
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  Speaker 6: they talked about true three hundred late later up that
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  Speaker 6: number to five hundred. It is unlikely that a rocket,
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  Speaker 6: a crude rocket fired by Palasadian group, could cause that
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  Speaker 6: number of casualties.
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  Speaker 7: Hard to see how that would have been a misfire rocket.
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  Speaker 8: This kind of death toll is not what you normally
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  Speaker 8: associate with Palestinian rockets. These rockets are dangerous, they are deadly,
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  Speaker 8: They do not tend to kill hundreds of people. And
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  Speaker 8: we should say finally that there are instances in the
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  Speaker 8: past where the Israeli military has said things in the
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  Speaker 8: immediate aftermath of an incident that it turned out not
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  Speaker 8: to be true.
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  Speaker 2: In the long run.
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  Speaker 7: Quote a mind from hell is the one who deliberately
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  Speaker 7: bombs a hospital.
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  Speaker 2: This is in response to the strike at the hospital.
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  Speaker 7: This is a new level in terms of the fact
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  Speaker 7: that it was a hospital and the fact that so
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  Speaker 7: many people were killed.
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  Speaker 9: What is your understanding of what happened in this hospital.
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  Speaker 10: It's one of those situations whereas I look at the
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  Speaker 10: two of you and Nicole Rachel sitting where you are
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  Speaker 10: at the studio, you do understand that what we've just
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  Speaker 10: been amplifying is what the Harmas have said.
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  Speaker 1: By the way, to be clear, everything you just heard
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  Speaker 1: was a lie, and the media jumped all over it
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  Speaker 1: to tell you this lie.
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  Speaker 2: They took a lie that they knew was coming from.
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  Speaker 1: Terraces right because the people that were giving them the
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  Speaker 1: news was Hamas, and Hamas was telling you that this happened.
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  Speaker 2: The problem was it didn't happen.
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  Speaker 1: You heard those reports there from US news networks that
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  Speaker 1: this hospital had imploded, had cratered in.
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  Speaker 2: Didn't happen. At least five hundred dead.
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  Speaker 1: Also didn't happen, that the hospital was targeted by a
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  Speaker 1: military air strike. You heard that Hamas leader on TV
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  Speaker 1: being interviewed with that type of propaganda. Again, didn't happen.
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  Speaker 1: Never had folks, It's a lie. It never happened. So
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  Speaker 1: you now see Israel is proving that this hospital in Gaza,
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  Speaker 1: the biggest hospital there, is being used by the terrorists
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  Speaker 1: as a place for them to conduct their war operations
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  Speaker 1: against innocent people in Israel, and they're using it as
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  Speaker 1: a safe place for them to sleep because they know
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  Speaker 1: that Israel is held to a different standard. I hate
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  Speaker 1: the idea of hitting a hospital, I want to be
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  Speaker 1: clear about that. I also think it's incredibly unfair for
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  Speaker 1: Israel to be held to such a ridiculously high standard
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  Speaker 1: when there are people they killed. I mean, this is
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  Speaker 1: their nine to eleven. I don't know how many different
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  Speaker 1: ways to say that. Okay, this is their nine to eleven.
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  Speaker 1: Make no mistake, this is their nine to eleven, and
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  Speaker 1: we're sitting there wanting to hold them to this standard.
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  Speaker 1: To me, is an unrealistic standard of perfection when you
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  Speaker 1: have people that are playing by the worst rules and
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  Speaker 1: the most violent rules we've ever seen.
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  Speaker 2: And again, these terrorists, they know what they're doing.
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  Speaker 1: Gaza hospitals have been a key feature of this now
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  Speaker 1: three week on Gaza war. You go back to Hamas
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  Speaker 1: on October seventeenth, claiming that Israeli strike targeted a hospital
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  Speaker 1: in Gaza, killing over five hundred.
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  Speaker 2: It was a lie.
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  Speaker 1: The claim was just proven within hours by Israel and
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  Speaker 1: US intelligence, which found that the explosion occurred just outside
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  Speaker 1: the hospital and was called by an arrant Islamic jihad
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  Speaker 1: rocket that killed far fewer than five hundred. Again, but
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  Speaker 1: the media reported it the way that I just played
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  Speaker 1: it for you.
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  Speaker 2: And since Israel launched.
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  Speaker 1: Retaliatory error strikes and artillery strikes on the day of
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  Speaker 1: the attack, Israel, all right, say, Hamas is now claiming seven,
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  Speaker 1: three hundred and twenty six people have been killed in
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  Speaker 1: the Gaza strip according to figures released by the territories
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  Speaker 1: Hamas run health Minister. Nobody should believe anything these guys say,
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  Speaker 1: and what's happening. The rest of the world runs with
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  Speaker 1: those numbers, and they tell you that they're true, that
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  Speaker 1: they're verified, that they're accurate.
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  Speaker 2: This is not true.
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  Speaker 1: The one number that I do believe is Israel saying
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  Speaker 1: it's killed one thy five hundred Hamas terras inside Israel
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  Speaker 1: honor after October the seventh. I believe that number, but
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  Speaker 1: I do not believe the rest of what they are
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  Speaker 1: now trying to sell us.
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  Speaker 2: There are also a.
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  Speaker 1: Lot of idiots, useful idiots, I would argue, anti Semites
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  Speaker 1: that are not just in the US media, that are
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  Speaker 1: apologists for terrorist organizations and Hamas and the Palestinians. But
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  Speaker 1: there's members of Congress that are disgusting because they know
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  Speaker 1: the truth, they know the facts.
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  Speaker 2: Let me give you an example of this.
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  Speaker 1: Senator Bernie Sanders came out and and said this about
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  Speaker 1: Israel from the floor of the Senate.
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  Speaker 12: The Palestinian people today are experiencing nothing less than a
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  Speaker 12: humanitarian disaster. Thousands are already dead, including many children, perhaps
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  Speaker 12: thousands of children, and far more have been wounded. Hundreds
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  Speaker 12: of thousands have been fought.
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  Speaker 1: This is a man, Bernie Sanders, who says that Israel
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  Speaker 1: does not have the right to violate international language indiscriminate
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  Speaker 1: warfare against innocent men, women and children. They didn't start this, sir,
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  Speaker 1: you should know that. But this is one of those
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  Speaker 1: useful idiots. This is one of those people in America
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  Speaker 1: that they're hoping, you know, we'll say these types of things.
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  Speaker 1: Hamas official, by the way, was stormed stormed out of
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  Speaker 1: a BBC interview when asked about Israeli civilians killed.
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  Speaker 2: Listen to this.
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  Speaker 13: Military operation was directed for military purposes, for the military sides,
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  Speaker 13: hundreds of civilians who killed, and for the military astrologiers
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  Speaker 13: who impose sanctions and collective punishment against our people. And
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  Speaker 13: I think from the first moment, we declare that this
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  Speaker 13: operation is not was not directed to the civilians. But
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  Speaker 13: I can confirm and assure again and again that there
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  Speaker 13: was no command, no command to kill any civilians.
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  Speaker 11: How do you justify killing people as they sleep, you know, families,
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  Speaker 11: How do you just.
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  Speaker 13: I want to start this in I want to stop this, I.
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  Speaker 2: Want I want to stop this interview.
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  Speaker 1: At least there's somebody at the BBC that had the
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  Speaker 1: counties to just ask a basic question. And while that's
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  Speaker 1: happening with the Hamas leader Rashid Talib yelling at reporters,
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  Speaker 1: asking if she will denounce a moss, she says, you're
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  Speaker 1: dehumanizing Palestinians.
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  Speaker 2: Congress went, will you denounce to us?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah?
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  Speaker 7: Will you denounce to us?
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  Speaker 2: Why do you support terras?
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  Speaker 6: You're dehumanizing Palestine.
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  Speaker 2: No, you're you're supporting terrorists. No, you're supporting terrorists. You're
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  Speaker 2: supporting terrorists.
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  Speaker 1: She starts yelling, who are you identify yourself, yelling at
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  Speaker 1: this reporter, you're dehumanizing Palestines. It's the one that has
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  Speaker 1: a Palatinan flag flying outside.
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  Speaker 2: Of her office.
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  Speaker 1: Now we've got our own problems outside of this, by
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  Speaker 1: the way, we have now finally responded after a dozen
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  Speaker 1: attacks on American installations in the Middle East with a
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  Speaker 1: bombing of a place we're not even sure a single
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  Speaker 1: terrorists was in because we're being measured in our response.
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  Speaker 1: I want you to hear what the Pentagon press singer
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  Speaker 1: two very said about the US strikes striking Iran link
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  Speaker 1: targets in Syria.
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  Speaker 9: Thank you for making time for us. The Defense secretary
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  Speaker 9: called these self defense strikes. Why this response now? And
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  Speaker 9: do you think they'll serve as an effective deterrent against
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  Speaker 9: further attacks?
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  Speaker 14: Yeah, first of all, thanks very much for having me.
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  Speaker 14: And as you highlight, these are self defense strikes. We
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  Speaker 14: have US forces in Iraq and Syria for one reason
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  Speaker 14: and one reason only, and that's to support the ongoing
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  Speaker 14: mission to defeat ISIS. Our forces are in Iraq at
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  Speaker 14: the invitation of the government Iraq to assist their security
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  Speaker 14: forces on that important mission. And so, as we've said
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  Speaker 14: from the very start, we will maintain the inherent right
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  Speaker 14: of self defense and we will take all necessary measures
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  Speaker 14: to protect our forces and our interests overseas. And so
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  Speaker 14: these strikes were very surgical, very targeted to send a
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  Speaker 14: clear message that we will protect our forces It's also
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  Speaker 14: important understand we do not want a conflict with Iran.
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  Speaker 14: We not to widen this, and so hopefully they get
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  Speaker 14: that message out and clear and they will cease these
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  Speaker 14: attacks against our forces in Iraq and Syria.
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  Speaker 9: So the Defense Secretary says Iran is behind these attacks.
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  Speaker 9: You believe that that's the case, right, So do you
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  Speaker 9: think Iran is trying to further entangle the US in
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  Speaker 9: the current conflict in the region. Does Iran want the
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  Speaker 9: US to be involved in a war?
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  Speaker 14: Well, look, to your point, we are very focused on
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  Speaker 14: ensuring that the situation with Israel fighting Hamas does not
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  Speaker 14: become a wider regional conflict. This is why you've seen
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  Speaker 14: US descend additional assets into the Middle East region to
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  Speaker 14: include the USS Ford Carrier Strike Group, the USS Eisenhower
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  Speaker 14: Carrier Strike Group, which will go into the US Central
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  Speaker 14: Command area of responsibility, because we don't want to see
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  Speaker 14: this widen. In terms of these Iraq Iran sponsored proxy
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  Speaker 14: and militia groups, We've seen this kind of behavior in
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  Speaker 14: the past. They foment an attempt to foement instability in
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  Speaker 14: the region. But again, our forces are there for a
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  Speaker 14: very specific purpose and we will not hesitate to take
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  Speaker 14: action to protect those forces as they do this important
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  Speaker 14: work on the ground in both of those countries, right, which.
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  Speaker 2: You already did. You took action.
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  Speaker 9: So what kind of response do you expect from Iran?
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know, we'll see.
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  Speaker 14: We'll see if Iran gets the message. But you know,
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  Speaker 14: as we.
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  Speaker 1: Get it and it will see if Iran gets the message.
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  Speaker 1: I mean this idea that we're going to do such
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  Speaker 1: a limited strike that we're going to quote, see if
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  Speaker 1: Iran gets the message. I don't even recognize our government anymore.
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  Speaker 1: There is evil in the world. We used to understand that,
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  Speaker 1: and we used to respond to it. You know, the
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  Speaker 1: Pentagon secretary is saying, we do not want conflict with
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  Speaker 1: the Ran. I'm glad to see that he said, we
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  Speaker 1: do not want, we do not seek to widen this.
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  Speaker 1: I agree with that. I'm glad that he said that
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  Speaker 1: as well. But to wait and see if they get
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  Speaker 1: the message. What world are you living in now? This
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  Speaker 1: also comes as Iran's foreign minister comes to America to
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  Speaker 1: the United Nations and warns the United States of America
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  Speaker 1: that if we don't get out of Israel and helping
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  Speaker 1: Israel and stopping the war in Gaza, that the.
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  Speaker 2: US will not be spared.
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  Speaker 1: This is the Iranian Foreign Minister in America at the
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  Speaker 1: UN in New York City saying this.
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  Speaker 11: I say, frankly to the American statesman who are now
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  Speaker 11: managing the genocide in Palestine, that we do not welcome
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  Speaker 11: to expansion of the war in the region, but I
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  Speaker 11: will if the genocide in Gazza continues, they will not
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  Speaker 11: be spared from this fire.
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  Speaker 2: They will not be spared. Wow.
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  Speaker 1: So we're limiting our response, and their response is will
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  Speaker 1: come to America, to the United Nations, and we'll tell
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  Speaker 1: you that if you don't stop what we describe as
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  Speaker 1: a genocide in Gaza, America will not be spared.
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  Speaker 2: I'll say it again.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, this is unbelievable America. I cannot even recognize right
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  Speaker 1: now based on what we are witnessing.
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  Speaker 2: It is truly, to me shocking. It makes me sad.
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  Speaker 1: It is concerning on a level that I have and
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  Speaker 1: I mean this.
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  Speaker 2: It is.
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  Speaker 1: It is shocking on a level that I can't even comprehend.
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  Speaker 1: And yet here we are having this conversation and we're
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  Speaker 1: being told what we can and can't do by terrorists,
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  Speaker 1: and they're threatening us, They're threatening us, and apparently we're
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  Speaker 1: just gonna sit there and I don't know, take it,
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• 27:22
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