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E129: Why Contraception is Harmful w/ Dr Janet Smith · The Lila Rose Show

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People say that access to birth control equals less abortions.
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Can you explain why you have seen that to not be true?
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Walk us through some of the harms of contraception that
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people need to know about. Contraception tends towards
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moving us towards using the other person as opposed to
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respecting the other person and seeking what is good for the
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other person. Sex doesn't become the only way
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of spending time and being intimate with each other.
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So women will Revere by their husbands and women Revere their
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husbands that get a special kind of.
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Hey guys, welcome back to the Lila Rose podcast.
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Today we're talking to Doctor Janet Smith, who is a
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philosopher, moral theologian, PHDA professor who has been
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working for decades and tackling questions about sexual ethics
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and contraception. Now in today's episode, we're
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going to break down the topic of contraception from a non
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religious point of view about why and what the harms are of
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contraception. I think this topic is so
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important because today birth control is is being presented as
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a solution to people. It's something that's the safe
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or the smart thing to do. And even there's arguments
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saying that birth control will help reduce abortions, it'll
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make society better. We get into the details about
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why that is surprisingly often not the case and some of the
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other cultural myths about birth control.
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Please check out Doctor Smith's work.
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In fact, her work was really instrumental in opening my eyes
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over a decade ago. You can check out her work at
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the link in the bio. I hope you enjoy this episode as
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we break down the question of contraception.
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Why not Doctor Janet Smith? Welcome to the podcast.
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Great to be with you, Lila. So First off, I love for people
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to learn more about you. I've been a fan and admirer of
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yours for almost 20 years. I think when I first learned
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about you, well, maybe 15 years, but I was in my late teens and I
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was very inspired by your work. I found it really life changing
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actually. So I'm really excited to
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introduce you to the audience. For those that don't know you,
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you are a moral theologian, you're a philosopher, you're a
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PhD. Can you give some of your
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background and why you started to study sexuality,
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contraception, these issues with our audience?
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Yes, well, it's a, it's a long story and I get it's, it's worth
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hearing, but not only only have a short period of time.
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So I, I would tell you that my, my degree is actually in plus
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the languages Latin and Greek. But when I was a young person,
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it was when they were liberalizing the laws on
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abortion, and I got very interested in it and held some
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of the first demonstrations ever outside an abortion clinic in
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Iowa City and Iowa. And the more I did that over the
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years, I made a connection between contraception and
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abortion. All right.
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But I could see that contraception completely changed
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people's understanding of sexuality to the point where
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they were ready to have sex with individuals, men, women with men
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and men with women with whom they had no intention of having
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a child. And so that when a pregnancy
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occurred, it was a disaster and and hence a great need for
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contraception. The fact that contraception,
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that abortion was legalized not long after contraception became
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widely available is not an accident.
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There's actually kind of a causal effect there.
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There's many contributing factors, but this is a major
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factor at the same. So I started looking into the
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question of contraception. I mention I'm a philosopher at
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the time, not a theologian, but at that time not so much a more
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theologian, but I started looking into the Catholic
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Church's teaching on contraception.
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A number of my friends and I were becoming more faithful
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Catholics and that was a major objection that people have.
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How can you be intelligent person?
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How can you be a graduate student?
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How can you be a professor and accept the Church's teaching on
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contraception? So I started looking into it and
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not just its teaching, but it, you know, first the reasons for
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the teachings. And people think that the church
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sometimes just sits in a room and makes up something like, we
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have to prevent people from having pleasure.
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And so we, they have to have less sex.
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So let's not let them use contraception.
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It's not the way it works. It's really it, it's very
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experiential thing. What sort of damage does
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contracept what, what benefits are there to contraception?
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What, what damages are there from a contraceptive lifestyle?
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And as I worked on that, it became the, I just learned so
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much about how contraception was really just horrible for women's
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bodies, for our psyches, for our relationships.
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And it it, and as I tried to explain, and now we know how
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much damage it does to the environment and how many other
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difficulties it leads to acceptance of say, homosexuality
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and transgenderism. All these things are connected
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conceptually. And so I, I just became that
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fascinated. There was almost nobody who was
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speaking about this. And so one of my brother in laws
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once said to me when they eat her hump much, I spoke, he said,
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oh Gee, I'd like to be as successful as you are someday.
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And I said, well, when you're the only person in town that's
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talking about this, you get a lot of invitations.
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So it wasn't there a lot of competition to beat out.
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So it's probably been almost maybe 35 years now that I've
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been speaking on this topic. And yeah, what I've learned and
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what people have told me based on their own experience is
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remarkable. Well, I'm excited to break that
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down in this podcast. I promised our listeners they
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could count on this as a kind of an introduction or a primer to
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that question that you've asked in an amazing essay that you
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penned years ago, Contraception. Why not?
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And not just this religious case for against contraception.
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Like there's a bunch of religious fundamentalist.
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You just want to, like you said, stop people from having fun and
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pleasure. But really from a practical
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perspective and a philosophical perspective about what is really
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the consequence of these different actions that we take
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as human beings or as adults. But I want to start with one
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thing that you said, which was very interesting.
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You said one of the things that got you to explore this topic of
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contraception was abortion. Actually.
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And typically speaking today, people say there's a narrative
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that says that abortion is actually reduced when
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contraception, when birth control is made more available.
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In fact, unfortunately, the Republican Party, the GOP just
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plat, just changed their platform to include that we need
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more birth control. When they talk about abortion,
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they say we're against, you know, late term abortion.
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So they've watered down the platform and they're saying
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people need more access to birth control.
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So this idea is access to birth control equals less abortions.
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To explain, for starters, Doctor Smith, why you have seen that to
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not be true based on the research and based on common
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sense. Well, if it's worth looking up
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for, people just look it up. Look it up on the Internet.
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Most of the time where you find a, a reduction of abortion
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because of contraception, it has to do in a country where
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abortion has been the means of birth control, where people
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didn't have access to contraception.
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And so when they got married, I mean cut pregnant when it was
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inconvenient, abortion was the solution.
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So if you introduce contraception into a culture in
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which there was no contraception, it may reduce for
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a period of time the, the number of abortions.
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For instance, when I was looking at this many years ago at the
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average woman in Russia would have 8 abortions in her lifetime
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because it was the means of of contraception.
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You introduce contraception that will decline and in a culture
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like and not that it's there's the other harms, aren't there?
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The harms to a woman's body, the harms to relationships,
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etcetera. And, and possibly over time,
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excuse me, a kind of a increase in abortion because again, it,
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it facilitates relationships that are not receptive to a
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child. And So what happens in a you can
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look at our culture. Just look at the number of
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abortions throughout the 20th century.
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And as contraception became more and more available, the number
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of abortions climbed and climbed and climbed.
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And it, it makes perfect sense. Just you could predict that
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because the major reason for centuries why women would not
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have sex outside of marriage and men.
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I just a little pause for a minute.
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My father probably died about 10 or 15 years ago and for his coal
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Fort, about 85% of them were virgins when they got married,
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85% right now. Why weren't people having sex in
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all those decades when my dad grew up?
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He was born in 1921. Well, the reason was they
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reason, lots of reasons, lots of reasons that the culture didn't
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accept it. It didn't promote premarital
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sex. There was not pornography
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everywhere. The entertainment world would
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glorify marriage and family much more than single relationships
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and promiscuity, etcetera. And so people, that was the
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value and they would not have sex before marriage.
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They would think that this was being not true to the person
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you're going to marry that you are, but in a certain sense
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defiling a gift that you're meant to give to the person that
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you marry, that I belong to you and you alone.
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And sex is for building a family.
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And I, I wouldn't want to risk anything before we get married.
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I wouldn't want to risk for man. I wouldn't want to risk
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impregnating a woman having children that I'm not going to
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be in their lives for people. My father had a very high sense
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of indeed, he had a sense of his responsibility.
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So the the thought of having a child out of wedlock for him
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would have been that he was a scoundrel in a sense that he was
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not going to be there for, for the children that he he had
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fathered. And so he tried to pass that on
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to my, to my brothers, the responsible male, All's in love
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with a woman that he wants to be with for the rest of his life.
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He can wait for he can do that and the children they have will
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be within marriage. Will you enter contraception
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into a scene and into the scene of the 1960s?
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I mean, the pill was basically invented late 1950s, early 1960s
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and it it just was an absolute Dom, if you will, explosion.
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It combined with a rise in feminism that women were had no
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value unless we were in the workplace and competing with
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men. And so that if we were going to
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be having babies, we weren't going to be able to do that.
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So we needed to have contraception, fear that the
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world was greatly overpopulated and responsible human beings
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would have no children or very few children.
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Well, those those were other pressures, but it made people
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think there's no reason not to have sex outside of marriage.
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A pregnancy don't happen. But when I was in high school,
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it was in the mid, late 1960s and the whole sense was
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certainly they were girls and and boys were having sex out
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were having sex, but it was framed upon.
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It was weird. It was like they're kind of
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rebellious and it wasn't anybody thing talked about.
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It wasn't anything that they're like it didn't people didn't
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aspire to having sex. I mean, a few, a few would.
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Most people thought, no, that's something to wait.
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That's something to wait on someday.
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The idea of holding kissing was just fantastic.
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The notion of having sex was just like that's that's that's
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for a later time. But you entered contraception to
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that picture. And honestly, for women, we
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thought we had no reason to say no and the men thought we had no
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reason to say no. So just the pressure, the
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pressure. You couldn't say what happens if
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I get pregnant? You couldn't say that they
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should all use a contraceptive. I'll use a contraceptive.
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And I mean, studies do show that in the 60s, particularly when
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the pill was being introduced there, there weren't that many
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abortions. So it exploded once in a
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contraception became available. But if a, if a young man was
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pressuring a young woman to have sexual intercourse, she would
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say, well, what are you going to do if I get pregnant?
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And then that he would say, well, of course I'll marry you.
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I love you. That's why I want to have sex
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with you. And a wise woman would say,
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well, then of course I'll have sex on our wedding.
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And there were a lot of I taught.
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I was a professor at Notre Dame in the in the 80s.
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I had a lot of students who were the result of sexual intercourse
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outside of marriage, but their parents married each other,
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right? Because that's what she did in
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the 60s when a woman got pregnant, the man would be
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honored and and marry her. I remember when I was in College
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in this early 70s, one of my friends was having sex with a
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really, I thought maybe the handsome sky on campus.
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And I'm a little bit jealous. I'm asking her, but what happens
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if you get pregnant? And she honestly said to me, I
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don't know him well enough to ask.
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And I thought, oh, boy, what kind of world is this that we're
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now in? It was seen that that's an
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absolutely obvious and important question if sexual intercourse
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is going to be engaged and what happens if I get pregnant?
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How many women ask that these days?
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Afraid to ask it because they think if they do, he's gone.
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All right. And so, and it's, you know,
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likely the conversation goes somewhere, blah, blah, blah,
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blah. I thought you were taking
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precautions. I'll take precautions.
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Listen, if you get pregnant, I'm a decent guy.
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I'll pay for half the abortion. Or listen, I'm a really decent,
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I'll pay for the whole of the abortion.
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So you want to say is this to the benefit of women?
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Is this to the benefit that that contraception makes men think
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that every woman should be sexually available?
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Again, when I was a college student, before contraception
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became totally available, there was no such thing as date rape
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on campuses, right? Where did Date Rick come from?
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I mean, guys think that every girl is taking contraception,
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and guys think that that means that every girl is sexually
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available. And his view was sex with other
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guys. What's wrong with me?
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Why not me? All right.
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And if she's protesting, it's like, what?
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She doesn't really mean that she's taking contraception.
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She can't really mean it. Sex is no big deal.
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That's what contraception has come to make us believe that sex
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is no big deal. And I, I think that that's the
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thing that, that it's so much behind all the sadness and
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difficulty of male, female relationships now where sex used
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to be a huge deal, right? And it was a huge deal because
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it was a statement of a lifetime commitment.
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You did. A responsible person did not
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have sex with another person unless you intend it to be the
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lifetime partner of that person. So saying I want to have sex
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with you was equivalent to saying, will you marry me?
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OK. Because it was, you know, I love
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you, so let's get married and love sex and love babies and
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have a life together forever. Now it's contraception.
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Well, you know, maybe we should move in.
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Maybe we won't. Maybe he'll be down in the
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morning. Maybe he won't.
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Maybe I'm just one of many, maybe I'm someone special, but
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maybe I won't be special for long.
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And it's it, it's just, it rendered human relationships,
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male human relationships, absolutely without clarity.
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And once you start having sex with a person, all clarity goes
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out the window about the nature of this relationship.
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And you're just waiting to see like, is this really a real
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relationship? Are we going forward?
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When do we have those conversations?
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Are we going to marry each other?
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Well, this text is pretty good. We don't quite that much.
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And who wants to start all over again?
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And that's what I call sliding into marriage that many people
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are are now doing. It's not as if you started
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dating with the intention of finding a good spouse.
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If you're dating with the intention of finding a good
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spouse, that means, among other things, a good father or a good
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mother. Or if she took children, you
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have a whole different standard that if you just want to have,
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you know, a sexual partner or someone to go to parties with or
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someone to live with for a period of time, the standards
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are totally different. And if you make your standard,
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I, the woman I want a man is thinking is going to be the
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mother of my children. I want a totally different woman
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than just saying, I just can't wait to you know, she's hot.
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I'm going to take her home and we're going to have sex and who
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knows where we'll go from there As opposed to saying, no, I'm,
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I'm looking for, I'm looking for the the mother of my children
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woman saying why we tolerate all sorts of really bad behavior
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from men if we're not thinking of them is the father of our
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children. If we're going to think I want a
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father of my children. I, I had a friend of mine who
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fell in love with that. She's a graduate student, good
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Catholic, gone off to Graduate School, fell in love with this
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man. They were having sex.
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She was crazy about him. Crazy.
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And then she she realized it was wrong and she stopped having sex
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with them. They still had some sort of
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relationship on the phone all the time.
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I said, are you still in a relationship with him?
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She said, yeah, yeah, I am. I don't think over many man
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fascinates me as much as he does.
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And I said, well, then why don't you marry him?
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And she said, well, he hates God and he hates the Catholic
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Church. He doesn't believe in God and he
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hates the Catholic Church. He said, I want to marry a man
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that I can raise my children with inside the church.
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And I said, would you write it down like somewhere between 25
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Doctor Smith, you should do a we should have a relationship call
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and show with you because that's a great a great piece of advice.
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Write down a hundred 100 times what you want and then doesn't
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match what you're, you're doing. I it's so good.
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OK, There's so many things you just said that I want to unpack
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because there's a lot of gems in what you said.
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But one thing that you said at the beginning was a comment
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about your father. And you made this note about 85%
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at that time, 1920s or so of high schools, high schoolers or,
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you know, college grads or just young people in general.
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When they get married, they were virgins.
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And I think that's an earth shattering concept today because
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we are told incessantly by groups like Planned Parenthood
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and certainly by the sex Ed at large and media that it is not
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only not normal to have sex, it is not only, excuse me, it is
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they are told incessantly that it is not only normal to have
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sex before marriage, but that you should.
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Sexually experiment before marriage and that if you don't,
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then you may be repressed or you may be holding on to some
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repressive fundamentalist beliefs about sex that will harm
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you. Can you break down so but but
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according to what you just said in the past, you know our great
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grandparents, they didn't have sex, many of them until they got
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married and abortion rates, STI rates were dramatically lower.
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Can you share your thoughts on this idea of you are repressed
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if you wait until marriage to have sex or it's not healthy or
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normal to wait until marriage to have sex?
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Sure. Well, there's so much to this,
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but I mean the the marriages of my parents generation lasted are
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they lasted and they rarely got divorced.
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And people say, well, many of them were very unhappy.
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I said no, some of them were. I said, but no, not many were
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very unhappy. Some of the most of them were
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quite, quite happy. They were faithful to each
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other. They appreciated what each
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brought to the relationship and they raised children and they
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had good friends that were living the same kind of life,
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worked hard, etcetera, had a good life.
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And and that to marry a virgin is to say, I, I'm waiting for
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you. I'm waiting for you.
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I expect you to be different from anybody else I've ever met.
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And there's certain things I want to do only with you, right?
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And there's especially one thing that I want to do only with the
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person I'm going to be with for the rest of my life.
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I don't want to be thinking about some other man and that he
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was a better lover than you are. And I don't want you thinking
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that there's other women who are better partner sexual partners
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than I am. This is something we have a
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whole life to work out together. There's a lovely movie called, I
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think it's called A period of adjustment.
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And it's it's about a man who was was in our at one of the he
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was one of the buttons, I think is the last naming Jay a very
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young Jane Fonda. And he was a soldier and he was
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pretending he was very sexually experienced.
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They got married and but he he just was on the honeymoon night,
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he was drinking and he wouldn't have anything to do with her.
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And it finally came out in the course of the movie and he was
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not sexually experienced and he was very concerned that he
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wouldn't perform well. All right.
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And they have this beautiful scene at the end of the movie
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where they're they're back-to-back on the bed and he's
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saying something like, you know what?
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I just don't, I, I haven't done this before.
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And she said, the point is, we have a lifetime to get it right.
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All right. We have a lifetime to get it
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right. What happens with couples now is
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what does it mean to have a whole bunch of sexual partners
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before marriage? What does that mean?
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Most of the time, you're hurt by this, all right?
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It doesn't last. He betrayed me.
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He was mean to me. He used me.
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Sex becomes something that is not a precious treasure.
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It's a kind of a bargaining chip.
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And it's one that you give a part of yourself away to someone
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and you feel you. You feel pretty rotten, and now
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you're taking the same body, the same person and giving it to
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someone else. And you want to say, what kind
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of a gift am I giving you and what kind of a gift are you
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giving me? You've given this to many
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people. Then I even talked to people who
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had had only had sex with each other before, married, not with
23:50
other partners, but not it. Maybe it's different now, but at
23:53
the time they were telling me, they said, yeah, you sort of had
23:55
to. You had to sneak around quite a
23:57
bit. There were people you had to lie
23:59
to about, well, your grandma. You didn't want to let your
24:01
grandmother know you were having sex.
24:03
You don't want your younger, younger siblings to know you
24:06
were having sex. Maybe you're lying to your
24:07
parents. You're lying to your some of
24:10
your friends. You've become a liar, right?
24:13
You notice that your partner's be.
24:15
He's good at lying. I'm good at lying.
24:17
Wow. This is a nice characteristic
24:19
I've developed and I I see it in my future, the person I hope to
24:24
marry. This couple said something I
24:27
thought was very important. They said when we were having
24:29
sex outside of marriage, we had to sneak around and we had to
24:32
lie. And we were lying to each other
24:34
about the level of our commitment, the level or
24:38
assurance of where this would go.
24:40
And they said once we got married, it was hard to put that
24:43
away. It was hard to think that this
24:45
was not naughty in some sense, what we were doing.
24:48
Sex became something that was naughty, right?
24:52
Whereas I have other friends that had young friend, a young
24:54
man and his, he dated this woman for like 5 years and they were
24:57
virgins when I got married. And I saw him after at the
24:59
wedding night about couple weeks later.
25:01
And his, his smile is up to here and he's just going.
25:05
He was a student of my professor Smith.
25:06
He said everything's different and everything's OK,
25:11
everything's good. And so that sense that this that
25:14
everything about this relationship, no regrets, no
25:18
past thoughts of of what has happened in the past with other
25:21
people is the word pure is a good word unsullied, All right.
25:26
And this person hasn't been hurt and I haven't been hurt and
25:30
we're not going to hurt each. It's suspected.
25:36
It is a beautiful thing. I think for many people, they
25:38
feel it's unrealistic because so many people have had sexual
25:41
encounters. They had sex, you know, long
25:44
before maybe they're going to or they would be getting married.
25:47
And I think there can be maybe some despair that people may
25:50
feel that if they've had sex once, twice, three times,
25:52
multiple different partners, what's a few more?
25:55
What would be your take on that? I think on the show we talked a
25:58
lot about the importance of redemption and then also that,
26:02
you know, you are not you. You mentioned this idea of pure
26:05
being sullied. You know the human person is
26:07
beautiful and is made good, and our mistakes don't define us.
26:12
So if those mistakes are in our past or our loved ones past,
26:16
that doesn't mean we can't love them or that they can't start
26:19
it. Start again.
26:20
Good. You're you take it just down the
26:22
right path. Thank you.
26:24
Yeah, it's it's very important. We all make mistakes, all right?
26:28
And we have to recover from those mistakes.
26:31
Some mistakes are very big. Some mistakes are some mistakes
26:34
and almost aren't on our fault. A lot of this sexuality stuff,
26:37
our culture has done this to us. I mean, if they say that the
26:41
average boy looks at pornography at the 8 years old, how
26:48
responsible for he is for having this very distorted
26:51
understanding of reality and of what women want.
26:56
I've said some very negative things about male hears, but I
26:59
don't, I don't think that men are constitutionally corrupt.
27:04
I, I think men are by their nature, I think they're
27:07
protectors, I think they're providers.
27:09
I think by nature they're noble. But our culture tries to rob men
27:14
and instead of developing those characteristics in men, they try
27:18
to turn them into predators and selfish playboys as opposed to
27:22
responsible males. And that's the, that's the
27:27
natural thing. That's where if I can bring God,
27:30
and that's what God wants us to be, all right.
27:33
And our culture is trying to make us feel foolish for that,
27:36
that that we're, as you said, we're repressed as supposed to
27:40
say, no, I have control over my desires and I'm not going to to
27:44
just play around, right. But our culture pushes people
27:48
into that. And there's very few people in
27:50
our culture that don't succumb, right?
27:52
They have had to have a tremendous upbringing or
27:55
tremendous role models. Who knows what kept some people
27:59
free from the corrupting influence of our culture?
28:04
Of course, the Catholic Church has the the sacrament of
28:08
confession. And we believe that if you
28:11
confess to God, the things that you've done wrong, he will
28:14
forgive you and he will give you grace that helps you heal,
28:18
right? It's not automatic.
28:20
It's not overnight. I mean, most of us, most of the
28:23
sins that we have, we have for a long time.
28:26
And even if we're not doing the sins anymore, we still have the
28:29
consequences of those, those if you, if you want to say bad
28:33
choices, bad choices that we've made in our life, but we have to
28:37
learn to make better choices and we have to constitute our, our
28:42
thinking about sexuality. There's there's a, a video, I
28:47
think it's called true love waits.
28:49
It's only 12 minutes and it's about a young man who had been
28:52
sexually active and he saw a woman at church and he felt ABS
28:57
a girl and he was a young woman fell absolutely in love with
29:00
her, asked if he could date her. And she said, well, I just want
29:04
you to know I'm not having sex instead of matter of fact, I'm
29:07
not kissing until we get married, until I marry.
29:10
And of course, that's that's pretty strict, you might say.
29:14
But she had made some mistakes. She didn't want to make him
29:16
again. And he had made a lot of
29:20
mistakes, many more mistakes, but he loved her.
29:23
So she gave him some books to read on the meaning and purpose
29:26
of sexuality. He was sure he could wear her
29:28
down. He was sure that that not that
29:31
she was going to sort of win this battle, but that he was
29:33
going to win it. Well, he didn't he completely.
29:36
And he said it was really, really hard because he had all
29:39
these appetites that have been out of control that he needed to
29:42
control. But as he became too Revere and
29:46
love and think, I don't want to do any harm to this woman, I
29:50
would never want to touch her in a way that she doesn't want to
29:53
be touched. I would never put for well-being
29:55
in in danger. And so eventually they married
29:59
and had four or five children and they seem to be as happy.
30:03
I mean, if they're as happy as they seem, they're very happy.
30:07
So you can see people. She had made mistakes.
30:10
He had made mistakes, but they got their thinking right and
30:14
then they they behavior right and they could put things now, I
30:18
would guess both of you would probably say, I wish we'd never
30:21
made those mistakes to begin with.
30:23
And it was hard to reconstitute ourselves and reconstitute our
30:29
our understanding. But even John Paul the second
30:31
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31:23
is the Catholic Church teach on this?
31:25
What is the Christian view of sex on this question of
31:27
virginity? If there is, and because sexual
31:30
violence is so pervasive, if there is sexual violence against
31:33
someone that doesn't take away their virginity.
31:35
So you can't in a sense, lose your virginity because someone
31:39
assaults you. You are still in no way where
31:41
you blemish, you know, morally, physically even.
31:44
I mean, obviously there may be physical harm to you, but the
31:46
point is you're still you're still a virgin in that.
31:49
And you never chose that. I want to get back to
31:52
contraception for a minute because there's so much here to
31:55
talk about. And I love what you said earlier
31:57
about, you know, our modern view of contraception as some sort of
32:01
antidote to abortion is so backwards.
32:03
And the reality is the abortion rate has increased as
32:06
contraception has become more available.
32:08
Walk us through some of the harms of contraception that
32:11
people need to know about. Because as it stands now, you
32:14
look at the GOP platform to the Democratic platform.
32:17
So politically and as it stands culturally, you're you're
32:21
clueless if as a woman, you're not running towards birth
32:24
control. It's it's clearly an amazing
32:26
thing for women, is the argument.
32:28
And we're so we should be so grateful to have it and we
32:30
should have unfettered access to it.
32:32
Why is that the wrong view? Yeah, many years ago I was
32:38
speaking at the feminist conference and there was a very
32:42
famous feminist there named Jermaine Greer.
32:45
She was like a six foot tall Australian who was very
32:50
imposing, brilliant woman. And she was all right.
32:54
She's very pro abortion but having second plus on
32:58
contraception. And she said, you know, I took
33:00
contraception in 1960s and she said nobody really knew what it
33:04
did to your body. And she said, so if I while I'm
33:07
standing here, if I should have some huge growth in my forehead.
33:10
She said, don't be surprised because nobody knew it was
33:13
massive doses of the same. They've been reduced over the
33:16
year precisely because of of many bad physical side effects.
33:20
They still have many bad physical side effects, but
33:22
they're much reduced from what they were when it first came in.
33:25
As a matter of fact, three women died in Puerto Rico when they
33:29
were testing the contraceptive pill, and they have always
33:32
tested contraceptive pills in third world countries with
33:35
illiterate women because they can't sue, all right?
33:39
And three women dying is in Puerto Rico is considered to be
33:43
a negligible sort of thing. So when did that happen?
33:46
Most people, I want to pause, just bookmark that, Pardon the
33:49
Interruption because it's so important.
33:50
What you just said, the history of the trials of the
33:54
contraception that we know today as it's evolved, you just said
33:58
that some of these trials involved third world countries,
34:01
women who were not literate, at least not in the language that
34:03
they were being tested in, those that were testing the drugs on
34:07
them and that some have died. Can you share more about that?
34:10
Well, yeah, it's, it's, I believe it's still available on
34:13
the Internet. There was a documentary done by
34:16
PBS on something like 40 years after the pill and they were
34:21
looking at the original trials and they were again hoping they
34:27
would be safe. But if you tested them on
34:28
American women, then American women were very opposed to it
34:32
because they, they even stormed Congress at certain point and
34:36
said these have not been properly tested.
34:38
They have not been vetted and we don't know what they're going to
34:41
do to our bodies. So the, the testing that was
34:45
done is it's still done in third world countries.
34:48
And after the three women died, they just adjusted the dosage
34:53
of, of the pill. And so it it's worth what what
34:57
Jermaine Greer's point was, is that she said this was at a call
35:00
at, you know, he was college educated people.
35:02
And she said you're all very bright.
35:04
She said you can read the insert on any of the contraceptives.
35:09
He said that at that time, and I don't know what it is now, it
35:11
was like 33 different contraindications of taking a
35:15
contraceptive pill. And she saw that most of you've
35:17
never read it. And she said in your name, these
35:20
drugs are being pushed in third world countries.
35:22
Oh, you know, all the highly educated women, very
35:26
professional, sophisticated women in the United States are
35:29
using the pill. So it's safe for you.
35:32
It's just, and she said it's just a lie.
35:35
She said it. We're just not using the gifts
35:38
that we've been given to, to have this education.
35:40
We can go to the library. We can read the pill.
35:43
She just. I used to know a priest who was
35:44
dealing with couples who were coming from marriage prep and
35:49
they'd be talking about the pill and he'd say he'd give them the
35:52
insert that was in the pill. He'd give it to the young man
35:55
and he said, would you read down what the the bad side effects
35:58
are? And he'd sit down and read them
36:00
and that. And then he'd say, would you
36:01
take something that has those bad side effects?
36:05
And he's kind of, and she's looking at him to saying, well,
36:07
if you wouldn't take it, why would you need to take it?
36:12
And so, you know, we're in the United States.
36:15
We're all into this notion of informed consent and we have to
36:18
take be accountable for our choices and what we're doing.
36:22
Well, this is a pill that many women take for 10/15/20 years
36:27
and they've never read what the pill does to them.
36:31
There's a book out now that's called This is Your Brain on
36:35
Birth Control by Sarah Hill. It's a fantastic book.
36:40
She's not altogether opposed to the pill, but she wants women to
36:43
know what it does. And the studies in the last 40
36:48
years on what the chemicals do on the contraceptive pill have
36:51
just uncovered so many things that if women don't know them,
36:57
we're totally irresponsible. And not just physical ones.
37:01
The physical ones are very even the minor ones, these are
37:03
considered minor because, of course, most doctors are males.
37:07
And if they don't, if you say I've started getting migraines
37:11
since I took the pill, they say, oh, we'll give you some medicine
37:13
for your migraines. Well, no, I think it's the pill.
37:16
No, I don't think so. We'll just give you some money
37:18
for for the migraines. Well, I've been gaining weight.
37:21
No, no, no, no. Just watch your food, Mark.
37:24
Well, I'm, I'm depressed. Oh, I'm, I found myself very
37:28
irritable. I get my talks.
37:30
I always say to women, I said, most of us want to be.
37:34
We want to gain weight, be more irritable, be more depressed and
37:38
have less of an interest in sex. That's what it does, too.
37:42
The contraceptive pill reduces your libido.
37:45
It reduces a woman's sexual desire.
37:47
So she's taking a pill supposedly to help her to have
37:52
sex, but it's making her more depressed, more irritable,
37:56
gaining weight and lowering her sexual desire.
38:01
It doesn't make sense. I said, we have something for
38:04
you. It's called the contraceptive
38:05
pill. I said.
38:05
Most of the men in this audience, I say, would like the
38:07
woman you're dealing with to be more depressed, to be more
38:10
irritable, to gain weight, less interest in having sex.
38:13
We have something for you. People are not paying attention.
38:16
And in this book, Sarah Hill gives testimony after testimony.
38:20
A woman will say, I've been on a pill since I was a teenager when
38:24
I got married and, and, and I I went off and I was a different
38:28
person. She said.
38:28
I dealt with the world very, very differently.
38:32
Well, you can imagine if you're taking a whole set hormones day
38:36
after day, week after week, year after year that fundamentally
38:40
change your Physiology, all right, your sex hormones, your
38:45
sex hormones, all right, This is one of the many receptors we
38:48
have of the world around us. And when I mean most of us
38:53
before you're using contraception, there's a lot of
38:55
women can't remember who they were before they used
38:57
contraception. It's been so constant, all
38:59
right, but you respond to the world differently.
39:02
I mean, you, you just for instance, you have a lot of PMS,
39:06
many of us have it ever have it all right?
39:09
And you know, at a certain period of the month, you're just
39:11
going to be kind of ferocious and out of control.
39:14
You can chart that and you can know that's when that's going to
39:16
happen. And you can prepare for that.
39:19
When you're using a contraceptive pill, what happens
39:22
is that it, it puts a woman in a state of pseudo pregnancy,
39:26
right? It gives a woman the hormones it
39:29
has the artificial forms are the hormones that are naturally in
39:33
her body when she's pregnant. All right.
39:36
So she's not having a normal fertile cycle, which women
39:39
should have by nature. And she's not pregnant, which is
39:43
another natural state. She's in a completely unnatural
39:47
state. I mean, she, she's putting in
39:49
her body stuff. She wouldn't let me put in her
39:51
food or in the water supply, all right.
39:54
But we put it in our bodies again day after day, week after
39:58
week, year after year, and it so a woman is in a state of pseudo
40:02
in its state of that whole time. Most women when they're pregnant
40:06
find that their sex desire goes down.
40:09
Evolutionary speaking, that makes sense, all right.
40:14
That sexual whole sexuality that we have is directed towards
40:19
mating and having children. If you're already pregnant, you
40:23
have no desire to mate because you're already pregnant and
40:27
you're not thinking about. Having children make in a sense
40:30
because you're having a child, you're already in that
40:34
condition, whereas the pseudo pregnancy and it changes your
40:37
perceptions just remarkably. And the Sarah Hill goes into
40:41
this extremely well where she talks about how women choose
40:45
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42:03
It's such incredible research because it has such huge
42:07
ramifications for everything. And, you know, being on birth
42:10
control does affect how you select for a partner and that
42:15
you may not be as attracted to that partner if you are no
42:18
longer on birth control. I mean, there's so many
42:20
ramifications of even just that point.
42:23
Everything you're saying is so compelling.
42:24
There's a lot more research I know that Doctor Sarah Hill has
42:27
uncovered and she includes in her book and you're referencing
42:30
some of it. I am curious if someone is, you
42:33
know, maybe they've read her book or maybe they've looked at
42:35
all the research on the harm of birth control on the female
42:39
body. Not just the immediate harms,
42:41
but the long term harms because it's also been linked to cancers
42:45
and to, you know, stroke. You know, Haley Bieber suffering
42:49
stroke because of birth control means so many other things.
42:52
What would be though your position to someone or what
42:54
would you say to someone? If they say OK I get the
42:56
physical harm But the reality is I'm willing to take the bet
43:00
because I really don't want to get pregnant.
43:03
What would be your response to that?
43:05
Then really don't have sex. All right #1 All right.
43:09
You know, it's like I don't want to be fat.
43:11
Well, then I shouldn't eat a, a gallon of ice cream.
43:14
You know, the, the acts have consequences, all right?
43:17
And so if, if you say I'm not prepared for the consequences of
43:21
this behavior, I shouldn't engage in it.
43:23
Now there are natural ways to control your fertility all right
43:29
it for it and they it tends to work only in really stable
43:32
relationships and that means within marriage.
43:36
And this is called natural family planet all right some
43:39
places now call it fertility where fertility awareness.
43:43
And I actually think every girl as she's approaching puberty
43:46
should be taught this. And honestly, I think every boy,
43:51
I think boys should understand how a woman's body works.
43:54
And he, I've seen men, adult men learn this and they're
43:57
fascinated. And it's like I she becomes less
44:01
of a puzzle to him and he begins to understand more how her whole
44:06
and her Physiology, which effects our psychology.
44:09
How about how that works? And so natural family planning
44:13
is based upon, it's very scientific.
44:15
It's based upon and that there are certain physical signs that
44:19
a woman has that shows her where she is in her fertility cycle.
44:24
It's an amazing thing. It's amazing thing that most
44:27
women don't know this. That's incredible to me, by the
44:31
way, with all of our advances in science and technology and even
44:35
the emphasis on, you know, STEM for girls in education and all
44:38
of this stuff. That fact that so many girls and
44:40
then women to go on to become women, do not understand how
44:43
their bodies work, do not understand the basics about
44:46
fertility and their cycle. Yeah, in, in, in sex Ed classes,
44:52
instead of learning how the body works, they, they just learn
44:55
how, what the different contraceptives are, you know,
44:58
and what the sexually transmitted diseases are.
45:01
Instead of saying, well, this is how your body works, It's
45:06
important for you to know because what you're putting in
45:08
your body changes your whole body.
45:11
And and a woman is born with all the eggs she's ever going to
45:14
have. It's amazing a woman can get
45:17
pregnant only for 12 hours a month.
45:21
She ovulates only once a month, and the egg lives within her
45:24
body for only 24 hours, and it's only 12 of those hours within
45:29
those 24 hours where the egg is alive, that she can get
45:34
pregnant. Now, it's more complicated than
45:36
that because male sperm can live in a woman's body for up to five
45:41
days. So if she has sexual intercourse
45:44
five days before she ovulates, she might get pregnant from that
45:48
act of sexual intercourse or four days, three days, two days,
45:52
one day. But even if she has sexual
45:54
intercourse on the day that she ovulates, her chances are only
45:58
43%, right? And then she might get then
46:03
that. And so and she can different
46:06
bodily signs indicate when that when that she's entered in to
46:11
those five days before it. Because what keeps the male
46:14
sperm alive at a woman's body is a certain kind of mucus, and
46:18
that mucus carries the spur to meet the egg.
46:22
A woman can identify when her body starts to produce that
46:25
mucus, and she knows that she's about 5 days out from ovulating,
46:31
so she doesn't want to get pregnant.
46:32
She should not. She should stop having sexual
46:35
intercourse at that time. Then after she ovulates, if she
46:40
doesn't get pregnant, that fertile mucus dries up because
46:43
it has no more purpose. So for the rest of the month,
46:46
which is generally 12 days, there it 12 to 14 days.
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There's no more on that she cannot possibly be get pregnant
46:54
that the egg has come and the egg has gone.
46:57
If there's no egg, there can be no pregnancy.
47:00
There's only, you know, one day a month when that egg is fully
47:04
there and it can be fertilized. But she has to abstain 5 days
47:08
before and a day or two after to make certain that everything has
47:11
been calculated correctly. Now that is incredibly healthy
47:17
for a woman. She's putting no chemicals in
47:20
her body, none of those side effects, none of those risks of
47:23
stroke and cancer, etcetera. Abstaining is hard, there's no
47:29
question about it, but it's a good thing.
47:32
It's much like dieting or exercising.
47:36
It's hard. But women who are in
47:39
relationships with men, and it generally means their husband
47:43
who are using NFP natural family planning, he it's harder for him
47:49
usually than hurt. But why does he do it?
47:53
He does it because he loves. He says, I don't want to take
47:56
you taking this pill. I don't want your body, your
47:59
body. I love you so way more than just
48:01
your sexual availability. And so I can abstain.
48:05
And I've heard men say, you know, they they it's like
48:09
building a muscle. I mean, you learn different
48:11
things to do, go for walks, you paint the garage, you do
48:15
something, watch a movie and you relate more in a way.
48:20
Sex doesn't become the only way of spending time and being
48:25
intimate with each other. And so women will Revere by
48:29
their husbands and women will Revere their husbands.
48:32
I get a special kind of guy for you.
48:35
It's not all about sex. It's all about us.
48:37
It's all about having a relationship.
48:39
He doesn't want to put any risk. It's sad because our healthcare
48:44
system, I think often is very anti child.
48:47
So if there is high risk pregnancies or children are
48:50
having multiple children or, excuse me, so if there's high
48:53
risk pregnancies or people are having multiple children,
48:55
there's this tendency in the medical system to say, well, you
48:58
shouldn't have a child or you should use contraception.
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We just had our third child and this nurse walks in, you know,
49:05
this is after the delivery several hours later, and she
49:08
immediately asks about her plan for contraception.
49:10
And it was just incredible that that is the immediate go to of
49:14
our healthcare system. It's contraception and then
49:17
often it's abortion. If there's anything wrong with
49:19
the baby whatsoever, abortion is recommended or if there's a
49:22
health complication. So Doctor Smith, what is natural
49:25
law and why does it matter for the non religious case for why
49:29
contraception is harmful? Right.
49:32
Well, I mean, natural law just simply works by saying that
49:35
nature is good, right? And if you cooperate with
49:39
nature, things will go well. If you violate nature, things
49:41
will go badly, right? And we do that in many ways.
49:45
We know how many hours of sleep people should get.
49:47
We know how many calories people should should eat.
49:50
We know also how much exercise. We know all sorts of things.
49:54
You do those things, you save your money, put this much money
49:58
aside, do this, show up for work on time, put in.
50:01
You do these things, things, you prosper, right?
50:05
You cheat on those things and you're going to start suffering,
50:08
all right? Things are not going to go so
50:10
well. Oh, for a while it might seem
50:12
good, but over a long term, you're, you know, like we know
50:16
how much alcohol you should or shouldn't drink so well.
50:18
I, I, I want more. Well, over time, the
50:22
consequences are pretty severe. I don't want to take my car in
50:25
for oil. I don't want to get it regularly
50:27
serviced. I don't have the time.
50:28
I don't have the money. Before long, that car is not
50:31
going to be working very well. I, I find it greatly annoying to
50:35
have to water all my flowers all the time.
50:38
They don't give me any relief. All right.
50:40
And I love them. I love they're so beautiful.
50:43
But if I stop doing all right. So the general principle is that
50:46
nature is good. If you treat things in a court
50:49
with their nature, they'll prosper and you'll prosper.
50:53
So we assume that the female body and the male body are made
50:57
well that what to and with the environment, we don't want to
51:00
dump chemicals into the environment.
51:03
We assume it does terrible harm to it.
51:06
Why would we dump chemicals into our body?
51:08
Now that's just talking about the body.
51:10
The human being is much more complex than the body.
51:13
Again, the our body and our relationships are very much and
51:17
you don't sleep, your relationships are not going to
51:19
go well, right? One reason to get enough sleep
51:21
is that you're nicer to your friends and your spouse, your
51:24
children, etcetera. All right, You mess around with
51:27
the chemical of your body. You're not going to make as good
51:30
choices again, you again, you're as I said, when you change your
51:35
understanding of sex, you change your understanding of human
51:38
relationships. And so you start to use people,
51:43
you start to treat people as things as opposed to being
51:46
incredibly precious entities that have free will.
51:50
And if I really love a person and I want that person to
51:54
prosper and I want to sacrifice for that, I want to say I want
51:58
to be in your life and I want to be in your life in order to make
52:02
your life better, all right? I don't want to abuse you in any
52:07
way. I don't want to use you.
52:08
I don't want to hurt you. And of course I don't want that
52:11
done to me, all right? And so the contraception tends
52:15
towards moving us and so much towards using the other person
52:20
as opposed to respecting the other person and seeking what is
52:23
good for the other person, Treating sex and then go ahead.
52:28
Well, and then if you have the situation where you got pregnant
52:32
even with contraception, then you have that temptation because
52:36
you didn't want to have a baby with this person anyways.
52:38
There's the temptation now to not only have used this original
52:41
person for sex, but now that a new life has been conceived to
52:44
end the new life. So it enables the
52:47
objectification not only of the sexual partner, but this lethal
52:51
objectification of a potential new life.
52:57
Yeah, well, the, as you know, the huge difference between two
52:59
people who are using contraception and not all of
53:04
them, not all of them. But it's, it's not an unnatural
53:07
tendency. If you get pregnant or using
53:09
contraception, you get angry. All right, get angry.
53:12
I I was taking precautions. And often the man will get mad
53:16
at the woman, you know, like, as if it's her fault, Right.
53:20
And you might feel better. When we got pregnant, we didn't
53:22
expect to get pregnant. It kind of it's it was an
53:25
accident. What do we do now?
53:26
What do we do now? And I'm remembering God into
53:29
this picture. But I, I again, I think that God
53:32
wanted the day that any woman got her first positive pregnancy
53:35
test to be one of the very happiest days of her life.
53:39
And she sees that test and she says, whoa, I'm pregnant.
53:43
And she calls her husband says, Darwin, we're having a baby.
53:46
And they go berserk. You know, they call all their
53:49
their family and their friends and they look at names and they
53:52
paint, but they just everything is different.
53:54
But the joy, the happiness, the expectation is extraordinary.
53:58
It's like something has happened that will has changed everything
54:02
forever. All right.
54:04
And in a in a marital relationship, that's generally a
54:07
beautiful thing. It.
54:09
But look, I mean, how many Movies Now but revolve around a
54:12
woman getting a positive pregnancy test and she's not
54:16
married and it's a disaster. It's what do I do now?
54:22
I hope not. Do I marry him?
54:24
I don't. I hardly know him.
54:26
Or do I? Oh, I love him.
54:28
I'd love to marry him. But am I going to feel like I
54:30
trapped him in the marriage? Right.
54:33
Do I become a single mother? Well, many women do.
54:36
They do a fine job at every one of them will tell you they'd
54:39
rather have a husband in their life helping them with with with
54:41
their children. So couples who use natural
54:44
family planning, who very much make a connection between a
54:48
woman's fertility and sex and babies, it's a natural
54:52
connection. They never forget it.
54:54
Sex leads to babies. Contraception tries to take that
54:59
possibility out. Sex only leads to babies if I
55:03
wanted to. Whereas couples who are not
55:06
contracepting, they understand sex leads to babies.
55:09
They NFP couples generally talk not about she got pregnant.
55:14
They talk about we got pregnant and they say we had a surprise
55:18
pregnancy rather than an accidental pregnancy because we
55:23
knew we knew it could happen. All right?
55:26
It wasn't an accident. I would say it's not an
55:28
accident. Getting pregnant through sexual
55:30
intercourse, it means that something's gone right, not that
55:33
something's gone wrong. And so you say, all right,
55:37
somehow we miscalculated the fertility, but we knew it could
55:41
lead to a baby. We're married.
55:44
Let's just have it. Let's just enjoy this new gift
55:46
that we've got. And so and again, it, it just
55:49
solidifies a relationship as opposed to saying we didn't want
55:53
a baby. We took precautions against a
55:55
baby and now we've got a baby, all right.
55:58
As opposed to saying we love each other.
56:00
We know that sex leads to babies.
56:02
We want to build a family together.
56:05
Sometimes we're going to try to manage when that baby comes.
56:08
But if it if we don't succeed, it's OK.
56:12
We know what life is all about. This happens.
56:15
As I said, those are natural law considerations.
56:17
We're just looking at the way things are and how to live in a
56:21
chord with the way things are and how to get the best out of
56:25
them. It's powerful stuff, and I think
56:28
it is so refreshing to hear it and to live by it.
56:33
I know people that have changed their lives dramatically, going
56:36
from sex before marriage, contraception, all of these
56:39
things to a different view of the human person that I think
56:42
works with nature and not against nature.
56:44
And there's so much peace I've seen and fruitfulness that can
56:47
come with that. So thank you so much, Doctor
56:50
Smith, for all of your work on this quite frankly,
56:52
groundbreaking work over the last few decades and your
56:54
willingness to speak boldly into the culture when it at times is
56:58
very unpopular to do so. Where can people find your work,
57:00
Doctor Smith? I have a website,
57:03
janetsmith.org, and there's my talks are all over the place.
57:08
One is contraception. Why not one of the myths of
57:11
contraception hormones are US. There's a whole bunch of
57:15
different why premarital sex is stupid.
57:19
I I don't, I don't, you know, mince my words.
57:22
So it's all over. I.
57:24
Love that. Thank you so much, Doctor Smith.
57:28
You're welcome. Thanks for having me.
57:29
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Podcast. I hope you enjoyed it.
57:33
I thought there was a lot of great gems from Doctor Smith and
57:36
we're going to be tackling this topic more in the future.
57:38
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