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Murdercize: Neon Legwarmers, VHS Gore, and the Rise of 80s Exploitation · Cinema Yūgen

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G'day. That's right. It's that time again. Time for... CINEMA! YOOGEEEAAAAAAA!
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Yes, Yugenites, welcome back to you, Cinema Yugen.
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From the neon-drenched world of cult horror comes a filmmaker who knows exactly
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how to turn the dial to maximum exploitation.
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Writer, director, producer Paul Ragsdale drops in to talk about the blood-splattered
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art of indie filmmaking and the outrageous throwback madness of his latest film, Murder Size.
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Raised on the glorious chaos of 80s genre cinema and shooting his first horror films at just 13,
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Rangsdale went on to co-found A&P Productions with Angelica D'Alba,
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unleashing a wave of unapologetic cult hits including Streets of Vengeance Slasherette
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Party at the neon-soaked vampire romp OnlyFangs.
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Now he's back with a film that cranks up the VHS nostalgia into overdrive.
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Murder Size is a sweat-soaked, spandex-splattered slasher where rival aerobics
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queens fight for fame, glory, and survival.
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As the music pumps and the thighs rise, the body count climbs in a wild night
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of lust, rivalry, and neon-lit carnage.
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This is 80s exploitation reborn loud, outrageous, and gloriously unhinged.
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Paul ragsdale joins us to break down the
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madness of murder so i said please welcome to the show
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co-writer director and the
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master of the rebirth of 80s exploitation cinema
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please welcome paul ragsdale welcome
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to cinema you can paul i'm doing great kent thank you so much for having me
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and thank you for the amazing review oh man it was very very easy to give an
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amazing review to such an amazing film such a great throwback too uh i'm glad
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i was glad to hear in your reaction to my review that um.
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We we're on the same page as far as your influences fred olen ray and,
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full moon and russ meyer and yes and
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it feels so great when someone you know totally gets it
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you know and that's why i love your review so much because you totally
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got it fred olen ray jim winorski you
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know russ meyer oh man all the influences are
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there yeah it's all part of my complete breakfast too mate i
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love it i love that stuff so so tell me when to
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tell me like going into those influences did you
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did you see a lot did you see a lot of those films freds and
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jims and all that did you see those uh on video on vhs definitely some on video
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vhs i saw a lot of them too on ronda shears uh usa up all night which i had
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the pleasure of uh talking to not too long ago uh she brought back her show
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but yeah i watch you know chopping mall uh beach Spades from Beyond,
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the Vice Academy movies, all on USA Up all night.
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And then, of course, on VHS, I just rent the films from my local shop.
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The unrated ones usually because we had a really cool local video store.
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So, yeah, it was great to watch all those movies again. And now that I'm an
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adult and making movies and stuff, I have my VHS collection that I've slowly
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been building up and just re-immersing myself in all these cult classics.
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It was a glorious, glorious time.
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Yes. I mean, from someone who actually used to work, I worked in a video store
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for many years and I miss it.
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I miss it every day. There used to be one that right across the road,
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which I miss like, like a hole in the heart because I used to be able to,
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I used to be able to, like when you're in that moment where you're during the
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day and you get this fetish for something that you want to watch and you don't have it.
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But because the video is the way I used to be able to go downstairs and over
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the road and get it, but now I can't do that.
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And some of the films you can't get on streaming still too.
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I lament that fact that there may indeed be quite a few casualties that were
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part of the VHS revolution that we'll never see Blu-ray or even streaming for that fact.
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No, right, right. No, you're totally right. I mean, I have so many movies on
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VHS that I'm using for inspiration that I wish were on Tubi or somewhere else. Yeah, yeah.
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Yeah, or at least on some sort of streaming. me i mean i know that these boutique
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labels are kind of choosy sometimes with what they.
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Resurrect even though they have been doing i have to give a lot of praise to
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these brutish boutique physical media labels because they do a fantastic job
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when they do do them they do them,
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beautifully yeah i love that they put out bikini car wash one
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and two uh not too long ago and beyond like i
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said the blu-ray and stuff and i'm just waiting for you know a few more titles
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like attacking the 60 foot centerfold or something you know and i love these
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sets that i love these sets that charlie band is putting out of all the the
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blu-rays of all the uh the full moon features and yeah five features and all that they're um,
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You know, I mean, one of my favorites is always a metal storm. Do you see metal storm?
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No, I've never seen that one. Oh man. You need to see that one.
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Jeffrey Byron, Tim Thomason, Richard mole.
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Yeah. It, I mean, look, it's, it, it came, it came as part of the,
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part of the road warrior wave.
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It's got road warrior vibes, but sci-fi too sort of thing.
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But I forget the name of the actor, but he played Papa Gallo in,
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in the road warrior. He's the bad guy.
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Oh, okay. I just, I'm blanking on his name right now, but the same guy who played
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Papa Gallo in The Road Warrior,
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who's basically the guy who's the leader of the group who's protecting the gas
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tanker, he plays the bad guy. He's the bad guy in this movie.
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Oh man, I need to check it out. Yeah, he's a good bad guy too.
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He's a good guy and he's a good bad guy too. But let's talk,
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let's get about good guys and bad guys and talk about aerobics and
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murder and all things murder size i
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really enjoyed this i really really enjoyed this
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it was it was and and as you say all the references
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just jumped out at me because i i'm
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so well versed in those in those movies but
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you just hit the notes like you hit the tone
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and the notes i mean i know that sounds talking very
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musically here but you did you hit all the tones and
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the notes of of of those types of
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films so i guess that's why it had probably a
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different effect on me than as opposed to maybe your random yeah
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movie watcher but even even then i i failed to see what what they couldn't enjoy
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about this i mean because it's not just i mean people could say look on surface
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level what is it it's tits and ass and blood and guts and whatever else three
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b's yeah but but at the At the same time,
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at the same time, it's, it's, there is a story there, which is,
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you know, people often think of these films that they are plotless. That's not true.
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Yours has a very, I think quite an elegant little plot and there's some great.
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Twist, which I'm not going to spoil here. It's very difficult sometimes to talk
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about these movies because I don't want to spoil it for anyone who's listening
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because I want them to go and watch the movie.
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The links, of course, ladies and gentlemen, in the description because Murder
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Size is on Tubi and everything right now. So there's no excuse not to go and see it.
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So Paul, I guess tell us where the, like, you've made a lot of films,
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but when you sat down to write this with your lovely wife and collaborate with
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this, where did the design.
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For aerobics and murder where where's
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that where did it germinate i guess for you i mean
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it was originally it's something i've always wanted to do
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just because i like that look and i like the aesthetics of
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aerobics and stuff and there's been a few that have been made
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uh most notably killer workout from 1987 and
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death spoff and 1990 so there's only
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a very few number of like aerobics themed
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horror movies it's a very small sub sub genre
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right and i wanted to make this for a long
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time and i had the word the title murder size but
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i didn't have a story right so then i got kind of i put
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down the back burner and i started working on a few other films only
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fangs the script and another script called wrestle babes
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and the heavy metal demon massacre and i made those
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i wrote those and they took quite a long time they're very very big movies so
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i was like you know what i want to write a third one before this year ends i
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think it was year 2022 and i was like let me get a take a month and just write
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out this story and don't take too much time just make it the fastest script
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i've ever written just so i can have the end the year with it and so i picked up murder size.
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It seemed like a very you know great idea to
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do to you know have fun with taking the
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aerobics the making of an aerobics video but
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aerobics video that's like sexual aerobics video i don't
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know if you remember it from friday the 13th part four there's at
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the very beginning the emt guys watching an
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aerobics video and it's called aerobicize which i found out
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later what it's called and he gets you know head cut off
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of the hacksaw so i saw that as a kid i was like what is that
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i've seen that before in a movie and i saw i think in dirty
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work as well and i found out and it's
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these these tapes that were made just for the pure men's entertainment
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you know it wasn't for any kind of fitness have you seen sorry to divert sorry
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to divert from the conversation just quickly but have you seen they do the resurrected
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old version of dirty work that they put i've not seen the dirtier version yet
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i have the movie on dvd but i have not gotten the uh, uncut or I guess.
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Do yourself. If you're a fan of the, if you're a fan of it was you'll,
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you'll totally dig the, really. Okay.
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Yeah. that's great. Yeah. Oh, I love that movie.
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So I love that. I love that scene where they're, they, they get a job in the
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theater and they put on the men in black porno instead of men in black.
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Men in black, we have sex with each other.
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Yeah. I love that. I love that dialogue in the background. Hey,
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that alien looks like a hot guy. Yeah. We better have sex with it.
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I think arty lang like turns around and takes a peek or something like that
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just looked at the screen.
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That movie is amazing so that movie has aerobicides and i think his dad is watching
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it oh okay right right i'm pretty sure he's watching it so i was like okay well
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that'd be kind of cool for a premise like the making of one of those videos
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and how those videos and not just those videos,
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but stuff like that, like oil wrestling and foxy boxing and.
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Girls wanting to be in music videos all that stuff that's taking place
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in the late 80s in la i started researching more
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of that and i i did incorporate that to the script unfortunately i didn't
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get to shoot any of it but some of the characters mentioned
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oh i do you know oil wrestling or do mud wrestling or
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you know things like that or music video stuff so that all that
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stuff i'm just trying to accumulate all this la late
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80s early 90s vibe this aesthetic
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and try to put it into this movie and that's where
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i got like the mafia stuff to put that in there and
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you know the making the videos financed by mafia money and
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so i just started getting these little bits and pieces of the story and just
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kind of really quickly trying to smash them all together and make a really like
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a small contained film that can shoot in basically one location and just have
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a bunch of you know funny characters and that's where like the character of
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the grip came and then you know
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candy and you know all this stuff and just i thought
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this is a really funny little piece i
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should probably do this before i do only fangs or
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do you know my other big epic movies and i'm
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glad i did because it was the one that really launched us a lot of people really
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caught on to murder size with the whole you know the leg warmers and the spandex
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and stuff yeah it really just blew us up and it all started just from aerobicize
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the the workout video and killer workout and death spa I'm trying to put them together.
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Yeah. No, it's, um, it, it just comes together. Talking about coming together,
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it comes together so well.
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And you're, uh, you've got a fabulous sort of eclectic cast of,
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of not just, not just the, not just the ladies,
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which is, which is important because while they're all, you know,
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extremely attractive, they're, they're an intricate web of, of different characters.
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And I like the, uh, I think one of the more interesting elements is the rivalry between, you know,
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because women can be really brutal to each other, you know, as far as,
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as far as critiquing, you know, each other's looks and style and.
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Oh yeah and perfume and all that sort of thing so it's i mean you you captured that sort of,
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brilliantly and then sort of took it further but we won't
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give too much away but it it
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it is it is it is something else that's going on underneath the
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the plot is this sort of rivalry and then
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when of course the the big shift happens which
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you know again i won't sort of divulge but it's interesting
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how certain characters to put
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it this way it's interesting how certain characters journeys
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in the film evolved kind of
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innocuously like i didn't see a certain character
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going a certain way which leads to the conclusion so it was yeah you know because
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some characters have a that great sort of innocuous quality so that when they
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do when the twist when the when the twist is on or when the turn happens and
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their character all of a sudden reveals a side of themselves that is something we haven't seen.
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Yeah. It's more, it adds to the excitement. So it's not just...
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It's not just a surface level movie, I guess, is what I'm trying to say.
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There's, there's, there's other stuff going on, which I think adds to the, adds to the delight.
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Yeah. Oh yeah. No, thanks. Thanks. You know, cause I mean, that's really,
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I mean, I was thinking about that a lot during the script writing because essentially
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for those people who don't know what the movie is about, it is about rivalry.
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It's a making of a sexy aerobics video and there's a cover girl and the other
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girls are kind of competing for that. And then when that cover girl gets murdered.
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Uh, everyone's at the free fall. It's like, okay, well, who's going to replace her now?
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And part of the challenge was, you know, writing a character that is a murderer.
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I won't know who it is, but you see them do it and you kind of have to root
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for them or you kind of see that you have to be on their side,
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you know, like they're, they're more or less the hero, the anti-hero.
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And then you see other uh elements on
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the side like you know show which way she's going
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down like a wrong path you know yeah i kind of
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used the sleepaway camp too okay the
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profile because that's one where it's a female killer she's the main character
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and you follow her and she kills people so it's not like a mystery of who's
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doing the murdering you're seeing the murderess and you're following her and
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you either love her or hate her you know so that was a real challenge especially for the actress.
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And you pull off something really well too, which is sympathy for the devil. And right. Yeah.
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And thank you. And that's, yeah. I mean, that's, that's difficult to,
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to pull off, especially when.
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It seems as though the character's intentions are superficial.
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Yes. But because you sort of, because you,
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these layers that I've been talking about, because these layers exist in your
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story, that helps you empathize a little bit when, like I said,
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when the turn happens, which is important too.
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Because if it were just murder, just hands down murder, it wouldn't be as fun.
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This movie right i mean and plus there's a
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great comedy element in it too there's some really great deliveries
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of lines like you know
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people talk about button lines like really
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good lines but sometimes it can be a quite
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innocuous line just delivered really well
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or delivered the timing is perfect or the editing is
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just spot on and a really simple line
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can carry off like oh that's brilliant you know like um or
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a good needle drop too which is also uh
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in this movie good score in this very uh yeah very bright
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exciting stuff really yeah yeah oh i love that is there any line in particular
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that comes to comes to mind no no not really i mean because most people they
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love the you know look at my tits line i mean that's uh that's the line you
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know yeah i mean And that's, well,
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let's just say that that young lady is very well endowed.
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And I'm, look, if I was in the situation that the character was in,
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it would be very hard not to look her in the eyes.
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Yes. I mean, yeah. I mean, he was struggling. He was struggling. But he had a dream.
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Look, it's an awkward position for any gentleman to be in with a lady of such quality and look.
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Look, we're, we're, we're red blooded male creatures of the planet and look,
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you can't help, but you know, look, it, look, it put bunk, it puts bums in seats and I'm dead.
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So he get a lot of, you'll get a lot of views for that alone,
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you know, because let's face it, there's a lot of young kids out there that,
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uh, that were young kids like us and, and, and watched dirty films when we were
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younger than we should have been.
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And, and fast forwarded to the, the naughty bits. Uh, so I mean,
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look, I mean, that was the best thing about, I don't, I don't see that.
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I don't see that as a put down.
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If, if I would see that as a compliment that I, if I'd made one of those movies,
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oh man, did you see that murder size? I fast forwarded to the part with the chick with the big boot.
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Yeah, I would do the same. So like, I totally, I totally agree.
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I mean, that's the whole reason the fast forward button was created.
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I mean, that's, that's the best aspect of a VCR. That's a good line.
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That's the reason the fast forward button was created.
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Yeah, I think so. And I think that's what lends to, like you said,
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fast forward to your favorite parts.
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Like a lot of people, they get bogged down with like, oh, I like this movie,
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but there's some boring parts or whatever.
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It's like, well, just fast forward it. Just fast forward it to the part you
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like. I mean, I do that with Goodfellas. I do that with Reservoir Dogs.
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You know, like it's not a problem to fast forward to the parts you like.
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You still like the movie. Yeah, sometimes you just want to watch.
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A scene like i personally like i think that pearl
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harbor is a terrible drawl of
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a movie but the battle of pearl harbor in the middle is
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worth the price of admission like if right and i
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have just watched yeah i have just watched like that section of the that section
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of the movie is like some of the best directing michael bay ever did right unfortunately
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it's the core of a really crappy love story between three characters that you
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ultimately really don't care about by the end. Yeah.
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I totally got that. Yeah. But the battle itself is incredible.
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Right. Exactly. Staggering. So I totally got that. Cuba Gooding Jr.
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Should have had a bigger part.
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As the song in Team America says, why didn't Cuba Gooding have a bigger part?
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He was really good in that bit. Yeah.
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But Murder Size out now on Tubi listeners, ladies and gentlemen,
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it has everything, boobs, blood, all the basics of your complete breakfast.
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But, uh, yeah. So Paul, I mean, the sky's the limit, mate. This is,
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these are some great films that you're making.
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Where do you see yourself, uh, going from here?
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Are you going to sort of stay in the genre or do you have other genres and homages
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that you wish to touch upon?
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I mean basically what i've started is definitely i'm in this genre of late night
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cinema you know cinemax and cinemax all kinds of stuff and there's so many sub
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genres in there that i want to try out i mean i'm writing a neurotic thriller
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script but with werewolves you know i'm trying to.
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And i'm writing another like a i guess you would call it bikini movie like you
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know like i mentioned earlier bikini workout oh i mentioned we're going to see
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sort of a paul ragsdale hollywood chainsaw hookers at some point,
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I mean, uh, that's, that's the
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one, uh, that's, that's the one Hollywood chainsaw werewolf hookers. Yes.
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That's the one that's been a constant inspiration. I have it on VHS.
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It's like my prized possession right now.
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Yeah. I mean like all those like rock thrillers, bikini movies,
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sci-fi movies. I have a wrestling script that I've written.
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That's a wrestling like demon script that I've been kind of promoting for a long time.
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It's been written for a long time now. Like WWF, sorry, WWF.
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Yes, exactly. but like looking at like a
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like a lower end like ecw type
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of promotion where it's all like blood and guts and like you know all that kind
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of stuff and then demons are like introduced somehow so i have that script ready
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to go but i feel like it's a really big movie so i don't know if i want to do
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it right after i just did only fangs which is our sexy vampire girls start up an app to lure,
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victims in tournaments and customers so i we
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did that and that was a big one so i might want to do like something
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small but yeah there's so much to play with like
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i said like all these sub sub genres that are just out there
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that haven't been done in a while yeah and they're just right
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for you know another a new you know a new version yeah
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but you're doing but you're doing the best
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kind of homage is you're putting your own passion and
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your own spin on it you know just remaking think hollywood chainsaw
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hookers you just right you know look because
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face it that is the that is the the
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road of least resistance that's what that's what the big boys
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are in is the part least resistance is like well just remake it why try and
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reimagine the wheel but you've you've discovered you've discovered that you
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can reimagine the wheel without without taking anything away from the wheel
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because the wheel can still be the wheel,
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but your version of the wheel is, is filled with, with, with love of the wheel. Right.
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So it's not just, yeah, look, it's, it's another wheel, but yeah.
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Yeah, I appreciate that so much because that's, that's all this comes from is
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the passion, the fun that I had watching these movies and then the fun I have
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now making these movies.
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So it's all just passion for sure. Thank you for appreciating it.
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Thank you. Mate, mate, it's, it's truly evident as someone who watches too many
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movies, really, you can, you can,
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I, I, I tell you honestly that you can tell when the people who made the movie
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really love the subject of the movie or, or the, the inspirations that they are trying to reflect.
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Yeah. It is, it is really evident in some cases, sometimes not so much.
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That's not, that has nothing to do with budget though.
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That has to do with, you feel, you feel as though someone is attempting to simply
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catch in as opposed to these are the movies that I grew up loving and I'm trying
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to write a love letter to them.
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Right. As opposed to, well, this is popular this month, so I'm making one.
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You know what I mean? Yes.
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Yeah. No, I know exactly. I see them all the time, pop up new movies.
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He's like, oh, they're just trying to catch in on the Amityville or sharks, whatever.
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Yeah. It's Amityville shark or whatever, you know? Yeah. Yeah.
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And, and just throwing it together because, you know, that's the flavor of the month.
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Uh, but what I appreciate about gentlemen filmmakers such as yourself is that
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you are driven by that same fire that began a long time ago, just like the stars,
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the light that we see centuries ago, but it is still glowing in the sky.
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And that's, that gives me great hope for the future because I want to continue.
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I wish to continue watching good movies before this
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mortal coil shuffles off and it gives me great
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it warms my heart deeply to know that gentlemen of
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your quality and cinema lovers of your quality behind the
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cameras of the future paul so it oh man i
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am completely humbled by what you have said i i have
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a lot in my last words and i definitely like i said your review
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just screamed out at me that you get this and
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i was like wow when you when someone gets you it feels
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like you've done your job and you've made something
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that resonates with people and it's fun you know so like
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everything you just said like all your kind words yeah I'm completely humbled
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and I I try to do my best and when
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you get something like this back at you it makes it all all worth it well mate
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that's that's that's why cinema you can exist that's why I do what I do is because
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when I was coming up there were very few encouraging voices I've tried to be
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the voice of encouragement that I never received on,
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on the road here, because as you know, it's a long.
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Cold, lonely road, a lot of rejections.
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There's more no's than yes's.
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But the turn sort of comes when you
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decide to take destiny in your own hands and
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just make the movies that you want to make because yes
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you can you can waste a life waiting for permission to
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right oh yeah waiting for the perfect opportunity for your ducks to be lined
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up in a row that's right waiting for the rainy day that never comes or or anything
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like that there's many a friend down go down that road for sure yeah there's
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there's no time like the present and And as Robin Williams once said, carpe diem,
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seize the day, boys. Make your lives extraordinary.
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Paul Ragsdale has been my guest, ladies and gentlemen. His masterful movie,
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his wonderful exercise in 80s exploitation, Murder Sizes on Tubi.
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Now, there's no excuse for you or me or anyone else to get not over there.
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And also check out the review film for it.com. If you're curious before you
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dip your toes into Paul Ragsdale's cinematic legacy, Paul, it has been an honor, my friend.
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I can't wait to see more. I want to see werewolves, wrestlers,
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demons, chainsaw, hookers, and all that good stuff from you.
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So please keep on making movies.
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Well, thank you, man. Thank you for all your kind words and for getting me on your show.
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I mean, this is the stuff that keeps us going. So I appreciate it very much. Thank you so much, Ken.
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God bless you, Paul. Paul Ragsdale, Murder Size. It's on TubiNowReviewFilmThreat.com.
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Paul, tell the listeners where they can follow all of your, do you have a website, the.
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I mean, I think Instagram is probably the best one.
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A underscore P underscore films. That's where we post all of our reels and videos
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and trailers and announcements.
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And I'm on Facebook, of course, Paul Ragsdale. You know, hit me up.
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Want to talk films or whatever. I have questions. You get a lot of questions
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about filmmaking there. So, you know, I'm always around.
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And yeah, like you said, 2B is where you can find Murder Size.
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But you also can find my three other movies as well.
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And my latest, Only Fangs, you can find on Bloodstream TV.
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And you get blu-rays too i see in the background yes
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we have an etsy store we have physical media
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we have blu-rays dvds and vhs tapes totally
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is murder size going to be on blu-ray it is
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on it is on blu-ray it's on dvd and vhs currently
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right now all right i might get myself a
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vhs i've still got it works i hope oh
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yeah dude um yes paul ragsdale
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murder size great great little throwback Paul
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is doing some great work you don't
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have to wait get down to the links in the description go and check
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out Murder Size Only Fangs and
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all of his other great stuff my review
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of Murder Size of course at FilmThreat.com you
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can check it out now on Tubi get down to the links in the description now and
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as always my little Eugenites thank you for listening to us on Spotify iHeartRadio
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or wherever you choose to listen to your favorite podcasts I'm Kent Hill and
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until next time you've been listening to us on Cinema.
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