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Harmony Within: Navigating The Mind Through Yoga Meditation, Overcoming Negative Bias, Cultivating Stillness, And Shifting to Positive Thoughts With NaRon Tillman · Mindful You

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Alan Carroll: Welcome back to another episode of the mindful
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you podcast. I'm Alan Carroll. And I have the privilege and the
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fun of being a host in the space of mindfulness. And we get to
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listen to various people who have chosen various paths in
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order to contribute the benefits of mindfulness to the world
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around them. And today, neuron. Tillman is our guest neuron.
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Interesting. He born and raised Queens, New York outside of
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Manhattan, tough environment, violent environment, crime and
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crime environment, drug environment, addiction
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environment, noise environment, always moving always loud, boom,
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boom, boom, boom, boom. And he transformed out of that
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environment, through the practice of meditation through
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the practice of yoga, practice of breathing, practice of
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mindfulness. And then he got connected with Deepak Chopra,
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his foundation of bringing this dimension of healing, the yoga,
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the meditation and the breathing into the inner city schools,
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where the agitation is extreme. And he shared a story in the
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beginning that he came to the principals of schools of nine
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and it won't work around here. They can't, they can't sit still
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for and do things like that they're always moving. And so
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what he did is he started the mindful exercises with body
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movement, and entered into that stillness, exercise. And he
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said, after a series of lessons, the group who was always
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agitated, was able to actually close her eyes and become still
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for 10 minutes. And that was a major breakthrough that
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disrupted the automaticity of their life. So they begin to
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wake up and begin to have more of a choice. And then he talks
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about how it affects the physical body, and the health of
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the physical body. So he's sharing and plot Plus, he's also
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a preacher, from the Pentecostal direction, and a lot of energy
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in that church. And so he's able to bring in flavors of
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Christianity, the wisdom of the Bible, the result of the
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Christianity point of view, and tied in with a mindfulness point
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of view. And he said, After practicing mindfulness and
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meditation for 11 years, his understanding of the Scriptures
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has totally changed. Totally changed. What he was looking at
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the scriptures 11 years ago, and now what he sees is different,
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as he has attained that state of mindfulness. So it was fun
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talking with neuron. And I'm sure that you will also enjoy
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his talking, and how he brings the healing Enos of mindfulness
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not only to the inner city schools, but to all over all
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over to corporations to foundations in order to bring
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that healing energy to those people who has a lot of
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agitation and need to become more still. So please welcome
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neuron, Tillman to the mindful you, podcast. And who am I
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clapping for? I'm clapping for neuron. Tillman. And why am I
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clapping today for the Ron Tillman, I'll tell you why. He
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has spent the last 11 years playing in a space that is not a
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comfortable space. And, and he's been able to bring mindfulness,
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the tools of mindfulness, the healing of mindfulness into a
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space, which is, as as he described to me is, I would say,
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a lot of agitation. And mindfulness is about stillness.
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So anybody who can bring stillness, into a space of
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agitation is a healer, healing that suffering that is caused by
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the agitation. So I have today ladies and gentlemen, a healer,
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a healer from New York City, and his name is neurone. Tillman, I
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want to welcome you and also thank you, neuron for the work
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that you're doing, and environments that are that are
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in need. he'd have work like that. So I'd like to pass the
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baton or pass the mic over to you. And have you described a
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little bit about who you are and how you got to do what you're
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doing. And really, I was just going to be fun to hear you
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talk, because to bring healing into that environment is a gift
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from God. So go ahead and introduce.
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NaRon Tillman: Thank you, Alan, for having me on. take delight
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in being able to share with you and audience about mindfulness
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in the work that we do. I'm a pastor have been pastoring for
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2015 years. I've been preaching since I was 24. I just turned
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48. So 24 years. And it's a it's a weird Road, me learning
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mindfulness. I'm from a Pentecostal background. And
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during Hurricane Sandy, I met my teacher, Eddie Stern, who
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happens to be working in a community that I grew up in that
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was hard hit by Sandy. And he brought me in as a mentor to
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work with some new for young adults in another area of
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Queens. And it would teach them yoga and mindfulness. And I said
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to myself, that part of Queens, I got to see this. So I went,
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and I kept coming back, and I kept coming back. And that was
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about 11 or 12 years ago. And I started out as a mentor to them,
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just bringing them basic mentorship. So they were
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teaching the best of mindfulness practices to youth and young
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adults through Deepak Chopra, his vision and Eric afford
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revision. So
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Alan Carroll: let's, let's just slow down that because that's
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the I'm not too familiar with Erica, but I'm definitely
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familiar with Deepak. So so go ahead and share with our
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audience who may not know who Deepak Chopra is. So
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Unknown: Deepak Chopra is a world renowned mindset coach, I
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call him but he's a scientist. And he, and he, and he's really
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beneficial. And bringing all of this together. We went, we'd
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have some certification and meditation through the Chopra
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Foundation, and, and all of that, and this was his
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brainchild. He met Erica and Erica was angry because of gun
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violence. And she was saying nobody's doing anything. And
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then he calls the question, did you try meditation. And she was
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like, if you helped me get a program, I'll try meditation.
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And he helped build the program. 11 years later, we have urban
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Yogi's. And, and it was a beautiful thing. So we started
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out in that area. And from that journey from that beginning,
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from that seed being planted, me being a preacher just saying to
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myself, that these guys are not going to do meditation in the
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middle of the projects, because we were in a house with they
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call it housing projects. And I'm watching them do it. And I'm
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watching them come back weekend and week out. And I started to
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practice,
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Alan Carroll: you started to practice the yoga and
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meditation. I
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Unknown: started to practice yoga and meditation, I was doing
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meditation, I thought I was doing yoga. And when I started
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practicing, I realized that I didn't know anything about
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meditation, anything about you. And it got me deeper into the
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practice. And they opened up my mindset, to the possibilities of
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real using imagination and stuff. And what really helped me
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to get deeper into the practice. And I didn't start teaching just
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yet. I was mentoring them on lifestyle, stuff I had about
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like high blood pressure. And I used to go into the schools and
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sell the program to the schools. And I'm telling the schools
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about all the wonderful benefits of this program, right? helps to
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bring down hypertension, it helps to bring down helps to
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broaden the focus, it helps to do this, it helps to do that.
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And I got in my car and I was like, I'm here, I was taking
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this medicine. And it was making me feel lethargic. And I was
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like I'm telling them that all these benefits that mindfulness
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meditation and yoga does, and I'm not even really living out
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to benefits. Right, right. Yeah.
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Alan Carroll: Absolutely.
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Unknown: Four days a week, hour and a half day, sometimes five
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days will be blood pressure change, everything's started.
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Life started looking different from for me, my understanding of
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Scripture, I will meditate on Scripture as my understanding
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for scripture starting broader so now I can really I became
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engrossed in the thing that I was saying that was going to
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help you for young adult. I realized that it can help me to
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Alan Carroll: just not nice
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Unknown: as teaching and it's it's been a it's been a
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wonderful journey. We've been We've been highlighted on Good
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Morning America, local news. For the work that we do, we've
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worked with Sonim Foundation, bring we were able to bring yoga
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in schools we, because we had a foundation behind us. And so in
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California, we were able to fight against the institution
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that said yoga was a religion. And, and it wanted to ban yoga
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and mindfulness work from schools. So we've been able to
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be a product that's
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Alan Carroll: in California, they were talking about that.
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Yes, California is usually the people that are the leading edge
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of yoga and meditation, not the ones that are gay
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Unknown: in San Francisco, but Sao Paulo walks out, they
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wonder, one of the mothers was, was a devout Christian and she
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viewed yoga, like we were, we were trying to teach religion,
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the religion of yoga, indoctrinate their child with
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yoga practices. We work with NFL three play 60 in Kansas City and
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the Kansas City Chiefs. We've done a lot with the Chicago
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Bulls Foundation, Hilton foundation. So we've, we've been
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able to move from just focusing in on in a city, and our slogan
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was healthy, happy kids, to now yoga is for everybody. It
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doesn't matter. If you're a kid, if you're in school, whatever
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your yoga is for everybody, and mindfulness. And a mindful work
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is for everyone.
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Alan Carroll: Boy, what a what a mission, that you're on what
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your being a preacher to being a preacher of wanting, wanting to
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preach, wanting to spread the word out. So you get to choose
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what words that you want to spread. And if you're spreading
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the words of mindfulness in the words of meditation and the
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words of yoga and the words of spirituality and Deepak Chopra,
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and, and this this, this space, represents a big, big, powerful
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energy of stillness. And boy, that's a good way of describing
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because people become in meditation, let's talk about
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Alright, so now we got 11 years of research. What? So yeah, so
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what what has changed? What what has changed in the statistics of
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my mathematician scientific Deepak Chopra? Okay, so how many
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students did this what Jade? Sure, show me some facts, you
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know, in Iran, and maybe I'll donate some money.
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Unknown: So when we go into a school, right? You have, you
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have this different dynamic. We learned about in church, we call
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it sin, sin, sin, inherited sin, but in science, they call it
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negative bias, right? I grew up in New housing projects, but
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Alan Carroll: it's not in science. They call it what
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negative
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Unknown: bias negative bias and get we link, our thought process
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leads to more negative influence more negative impressions, more
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so than positive impressions.
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Alan Carroll: So sin would be towards the negative side. The
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other side all right, I got it. All right, negative thoughts and
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all right, sort
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Unknown: of negative thoughts. But imagine growing up in an
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environment where it is a food desert. Violence, you become
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numb to sex you become numb to addictions, whether is drug
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addictions, alcohol addictions, that all this is all at your,
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that you're inundated with all day. So your first impressions
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that are in your mind are all of these compounding biases are
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compounding things that tells you that these are okay, this is
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okay to just punch somebody in the face to just take something
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that don't belong to you to do because you're in survival mode.
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And then what we ingest actually helps to trigger these these
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biases or these things that now become our through our
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subconscious thought process. This becomes our auto Matic
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motion. This is what we do. So when I go into school, and I say
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to principal, we do yoga, I'm going to bring up the first
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thing that the principal said, our kids want to do that. So
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when we when we're able to get a youth or young adult at a
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certain age, we can start to slow down the process and you
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start to see them come into life. I think you're frozen. On
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Alan Carroll: here I'm frozen. It's not frozen as Mesmer is
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mesmerized. You're so relevant.
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Unknown: So Alan, you start to see them coming to life, right?
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You start to you start to see people doing moves Bringing back
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the child like mindset, you start to see them passing
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classes because they can sit down and focus, you start to get
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them to keep quiet. So when I when I, when I go into a
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classroom, and imagine now all of that now in the education
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system, there's 35 to 40 kids in the class in these communities.
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So I have to start with trying to get them to be quiet for one
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minute. The reason why we use movement and and because I was a
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kid who couldn't sit still. So I said, we have to have movement
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we have to do, because I've worked with other organizations
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that just wanted to do breathing and meditation, like you can't
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go into a community of people that always move in and then
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tell them to sit down. So the movement and the breath work
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with the movement, gets them move, gets them up, gets them
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going. Now if I can get them to be quiet for a minute to shut
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down the computer, and I can start putting in some of these
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positive affirmations. For one, every negative thought think of
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three positive thoughts to reinforce that. Get them
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breathing in the nostrils, touching the brain, given the
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breadth of color, for when you breathe in, and light color, and
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fill it like filling your body like a balloon when you breathe
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out a dark color. And that darkness is the violence that
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you think if I can get them to just start to listen to their
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own subconscious thoughts. So a lot of times I get them to
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listen to what is your most dominant thought and thinking
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about food, I think, and you should hear some of the stuff
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that people blurt out because they are so uncomfortable. We
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are so uncomfortable being silent, because we grow up in
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this environment where it's always noise. The gunshots the
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music is loud. The TV is loud, we we talk to each other, we
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play cards, we talk loud, we go to a party is noise noise noise.
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Now I'm saying and even in church, everything is loud.
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Someone are coming out, say everybody just be quiet.
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Somebody's gotta make a fart sound or do something because
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they can't sit in silence. But then six months in, it's moved
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from a minute. And I put that time. And I'm like, wow, I got
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them to sit for 10 minutes in silence. No fart silence. No
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biting, wiggling, nobody touching the person next to
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them. Nobody trying to whisper it's a powerful thing.
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Alan Carroll: You bet. You bet. The ability to become still, you
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point you make so many points about the environment that I
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don't live in the environment that you described. I tried to
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live in an environment where Superman lived on Antarctica
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called the Fortress of Solitude. I want to I want to close the
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door, I want to eliminate all noise. I want to get the most
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stillness environment that I can possibly get. And if you have
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any connections to the university, I think it's
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Berkeley has a room that is so quiet. That you know maybe it's
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Salt Lake City, you can hear your breath. And it's so loud
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because the room is so that stillness, the way you described
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it. What I loved about it was it's doable. It's doable. It's
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not. It's not woowoo. Maybe you can't No. Notice that every
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thought that you think there's no there's no space at all,
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between the thoughts that you speak. And there's no space
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between the thoughts that you think. So if we can disrupt
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that, if we can, if we can do a disruptive technology to the
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pattern of the speaking by inserting emptiness and silence
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between the sounds, to have the realization that there is an
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empty space between this sound and this sound, and that opens
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the portal that allows you to drop into that space of sea of
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emptiness. That is that that reduces the suffering that
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you're experiencing on the surface in the storm. And so you
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are calming the waters. And Jesus did that. I believe
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somewhere in the scriptures. You are leading us beside the still
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waters. You are guiding us you are demonstrating what what what
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in Christianity they've written all over the place, but you're
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able to bring that healing the Spirit of God into the schools
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now. Watch out with that one. Because people are gonna say no
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Religion in the schools will religion is. Religion is
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spiritual healing, the purpose of religion is to, to bring
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peace, stillness. So anyway, you got to do that. And boy,
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wonderful things you've been doing. This is great.
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Congratulations.
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Unknown: Thank you. So we started working. I work with a
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few churches now. And they're seniors, and trying to bring
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back motion and movement. But we use breathwork, silence and
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meditation and visualization. I've learned over the last few
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years, talking to some of my quantum physics buddies, about
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the power of visualization, about the power of futuristic
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thinking, and how that is actually helping with, with the
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work that we've already been doing. The great thing about
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energy. And the great thing about the laws of attraction is
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if you start putting something in motion, gotta bring people in
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your path that help you move forward and give you great ideas
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to help you with the work that you're doing. So with our
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seniors, we were talking about, again, and communities that we
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eat, we may have bad diets, fried chicken, collard greens,
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and all that stuff. Stuff that brings inflammation in the body,
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stuff that causes disease to fester in the body, stuff that
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causes our limbs to tighten up and there, there's no motion,
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there's no proper breath work, there's no so I spit in our, in
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some facilities, working with senior citizens. And we talk
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about breathwork. And I can say to them, be mindful. Now how can
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I say, these are in church context, because of me, being a
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pastor, I know how the scriptures now look different to
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me than I did when I first started pastoring.
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Alan Carroll: Give me an example. Show me that you have
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one in mind that has a new revelation to it.
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Unknown: Yes. So the Bible says Be anxious for nothing. But in
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all things to prayer and supplication, let your requests
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be made known to God thinks on those things. Don't think of the
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thing that makes you anxious. So that Be anxious for nothing
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means don't be don't don't have the thoughts of anxiety. But I
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want you to shift your anxious bring your conscious thoughts,
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to think on those things which are lovely. Think on those
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things which are pure. Think on those things which have a good
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report, sing songs that make you happy. Think on those things. So
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the the thing is that what opened up to me is that before
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we would look up to heaven, and tell God to bring down
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blessings. The carpet sent down the blessing and we were crying
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out Yeah. And we're waiting for blessings to come. But when I
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saw that scripture revolutionized me, he didn't
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say, wait for me to send down blessing. He said, I don't want
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you to be anxious, I want you to think I want you to take the
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actions. Think on those things which are pure. In other words,
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I want you to transform, I want you to rewire the way that you
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are thinking. So when I have you in a meditative stance, I can
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use that scripture in meditation. This is what you're
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doing. I want you to shift your thoughts from the things that's
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making you anxious, and start thinking of some things that
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make you smile, start thinking of some things. So what I do
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with the singers visualization, I say think about something that
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you used to love doing that you can't do no more. Whether it's
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dancing, singing and visualize that visualize yourself doing
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that thing. If he was playing sports, visualize yourself
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playing sports. Now think of the you in the present time doing
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those things. What does that look like? The present you doing
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something that you used to love doing that you can't do no more.
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That's why we're here. So we can get the mobility back. So when I
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was coming up, grandma used to say, we thank God for the
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activities of our lives. And then they're like, Yeah, all
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right. So now let's get those limbs active again. Right?
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Because we thinking on those things. So we remove the number
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one, I can do all things and they finish to Christ extract
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me. So I don't want you to come into my class telling me I can't
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do it. I don't want you to come in and say Ha, the doctor said I
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can't. Right. So we talked about micro movements. I may not be
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able to do this today, but I want you to monitor
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and do this. Yeah, yeah, I can do
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this. Yeah, right. And if I keep doing this through repetition,
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through coming back to sitting in that chair, to get on that
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mat, if I keep doing this, eventually I'll be able to do
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this. I have a class on Wednesday nights that were 90%
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Chair bound. None of them have chairs no more. I call one of
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the ladies Mama Mama through to walk away she comes in and she's
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on a mat, she does downward upward dogs, she does some
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citation, a modified citation beaks keeps those arms up she
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can, she can do some things that some of the younger ladies can
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do. Because she kept coming back, and wants to see it work
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to see them get their lives back. I'm not I'm talking about
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but I do want to share an experience that just happened to
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me. I work in a homeless shelter. And I was teaching a
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mother and daughter. And it's a six week program. And it's a
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train to train and we train other people to do. So. We want
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to go into the facility that was using this facility as a model.
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So that we can build in a facility a mindfulness program
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to urban Yogi's, and the mother has had a disease, I don't want
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to say what it was because I can't remember whether it's
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lupus or Ms. But it meant she wasn't she was chair about. And
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she walk with a walker, but she she really was chair. And we,
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during this practice, I play affirmations in the background.
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So and I am I am healed, I am. And these things are playing
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while we're doing a yoga. And that's becoming an is, you know,
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I'm helping them to reimagine they don't know what he's doing.
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But it's putting new impressions into the subconscious while we
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do our practice. So I told him to think of something that you
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want to do that you can't do now stain visualization, she said,
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she's engaged, and she wants to be able to walk down the aisle.
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So one day, she gets up out of a chair, and she starts walking
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around the room. And her daughter's behind her. And she's
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shaking, and she's walking her and I am is going and she's
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saying it out loud. She goes to the doctor, she has a trauma, a
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traumatic experience. This is the one Wednesday night that we
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can a body goes through trauma, the resistance comes she tells
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the director I can't do that no more is making me sick. She
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didn't see the small movement, the micro movement and victory.
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All she could do was lean. And I never got a chance to talk to
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her again. Because I can't get into the facility. I don't I
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don't have that. Because I can explain to her. What happens is
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the negative bias is going to rise up because that's what it
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says I own your body. She I'm hopefully I'm gonna do an event
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this afternoon. We're doing it we do yoga pop ups. I pray that
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she comes out
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Alan Carroll: yeah. Let's let's just say this, this the
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alignment on that we pray that she shows up today. And
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Unknown: that this is what happens. When you start to when
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you start to think and transform, we start to see
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transformation. It gets worse. And then it gets better to see
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goes into the dark and then it harvests into reality.
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Alan Carroll: Very, very sweet. Very sweet. You you describe
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something about Eckhart Tolle, who's a good friend of Deepak
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Chopra. I've watched them on YouTube together, talks about
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the the thought that you're thinking most people you said
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65 80,000 thoughts a day, go go go through your mind. And, and
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Raja Yoga is about the management of the thoughts that
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that you think. And one of the basic things that you want to be
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able to do is to be aware that you're thinking, and once I'm
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aware that I'm thinking, then it can begin to choose about, is
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there beneficial? Is there benefits falling in this train
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of thought? Is it harming my physical body. And so
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immediately you realize those negative thoughts are physically
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harming your physical body. And now I have the power to shift my
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focus to things that are of a higher vibration. And I then
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begin to speak in a way in which the Course of Miracles talks
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about God cannot do for you. God cannot do for you, God help me,
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God for you, that God cannot do through you. And when you start
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to believe that you have the power to speak, to speak for the
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Word of God, what would you say? Why would you do it? What you
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would say would be love and compassion and joy and peace and
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stillness and mindfulness? These are the things that you would
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say if you're a god, no run. But you're saying this right now. So
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you you speak for you speak. You speak for the song of the Holy
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Spirit. I mean, it's it comes through mindfulness and the Holy
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Spirit are definitely connected. And I'm in your scripture. So
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I'd like to just just tap into that. What is the connection
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that you see? When we talk about the Holy Spirit, the Spirit
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beyond the physical and the mindfulness and the medicine
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nation as a bridge to build to get to that space of, of
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emptiness of spiritual where the Holy Spirit lives.
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Unknown: The question, there's blockers that that come from. So
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we've talked about when when we talk about salvation, the
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misnomer is that we're being redeemed from a dark place,
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darkness and translated into light. So this translation
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happens most in a religious context, everything happens
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externally. But in its truest form, the pure response,
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everything happens mentally, in the mind.
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Alan Carroll: Yeah, let's take say that again, because that's a
30:39
big deal. So, Say that one again, and add a little more
30:44
meat to it. Because the the idea that what you create in your
30:47
mind comes first is like, pretty important stuff.
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Unknown: Yes. So in religious context, everything happens on
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the outside, meaning I go to church, I put on a suit. I got
31:01
my Bible under my arm. I don't read it. But I have it. Yeah. I
31:05
sing in a choir, I started to acquire all these. Yeah. And
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they say, I've been to church, all my life, all my life. But
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But you've been in church, but have you been renewed in the
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mind? Have you been transformed by the renewing of your mind?
31:23
Have you been translated from darkness into light? So when we
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lose, use low vibration words, as believers, like I want? What
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the Bible says, I shall not want. But where does that
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happen? That happens first in the mind. Everything has to be
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realized in their minds. So the illuminating process of the
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Spirit, we talked about those words that play out and I had
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all of those thoughts that come across, but in between each
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thought were Deepak says is there there's a gap in between
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thoughts. And that's where the Spirit rests. That's where we
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found our sweet spot.
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Alan Carroll: There's a gap between the thoughts. So to say
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that, again,
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Unknown: the gap in between the thoughts, it may seem like we
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have one long thought, but in between each start is it's a
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movement, it's a movement, what meditation and what, when we
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meditate, and I did a whole series on prayer and meditation,
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and why combining the two was important. what prayer does is
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prayer shapes, we use our words to help shape our thought. What
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meditation does is help open the gap, so that we can rest in the
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place of what we call discernment. That's where we get
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our discernment from a spirit or open up, would someone say our
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third eye, if we're not exercising, that we're going to
32:44
have religious thoughts without being able to operate within the
32:48
spirit of those doors. So we have people who say I love God,
32:53
but then they'll go bomb a building. Because they feel like
32:57
they're doing God a favor. But if they tap into that quiet
33:01
place where the Spirit dwells, the more we tap in, the wider
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the longer the thoughts come, the more you start to see the
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gap in between each of those thoughts, the more things begin
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to slow down, it's like being a rookie playing football. And
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they say, I see Go Sam Darnell, and being a veteran that says,
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Oh, that guy moved to the left, I know that he's about to try to
33:24
blitz, right, because he's, he's spent time in the study room,
33:29
spent time with the Spirit, the Spirit, when we sing songs in
33:34
church, and this is something I had to really come across him.
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When I sound like this, I sound anti church, and I'm not, we
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say, I want the spirit to come down. And we're pointing people
33:44
to everything on a spiritual plane, from the outward. When
33:48
everything that the person need is already inside of them, what
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we need to do is point them, redirect them to focus on what's
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already built in side of us, and tap into that which we already
34:00
have. And then we start to see how everything slows down.
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Everything starts to make sense. And God doesn't become this big
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thing other than us, God dwells in us.
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Alan Carroll: Beautiful, beautiful, the, the the idea in
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Buddhism, of the distinction they make between a state of
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disembodied mind. And the way I would describe this embodiment
34:30
is that you're lost in the thoughts. You're in the monkey
34:32
mind of the thoughts, the thoughts and thoughts and
34:35
thoughts. So 65,000 thoughts all day long, but thought thought
34:38
thought. And then they say, well, there's another state of
34:40
consciousness, called the embodied state of consciousness,
34:44
and the embodied state of consciousness and you're saying
34:47
goodbye to the disembodied state of consciousness and you're
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saying hello to the, to the to an embodied state. Well, where's
34:55
this embodied state? Well, I wonder where the N body state
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is. And so Breathing is embody, the grounding of your feet is
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embodied. The visualization is a show that's going on, in bodied,
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it's not a movie theater outside, it's a movie theater on
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the inside. And so the more time that you're able to be embodied,
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the further away you get from the disembodied state, which is
35:22
the thoughts. And the thoughts are like the gravity, the closer
35:26
the thought, the stronger the gravity, the further the thought
35:28
is away, the weaker the gravity. So the more you go in, the
35:33
further the gravity becomes. And so the influence that that
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thought has on your actions becomes nothing. But in the
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beginning, it was everything. But there
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Unknown: was everything, nothing is nothing. And, you know, when
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I when I began to meditate, and begin to do this practice, I saw
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myself as a part of creation.
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Alan Carroll: Not what said again, a power
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Unknown: as a part of creation, oh,
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Alan Carroll: part of you are a part of creation
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Unknown: of all of creation. So yeah, I look at I look at all
36:12
Creation differently. So when we talk about grounding is what
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triggered that thought. It was before he like, Oh, we're taught
36:19
like we're better than the trees were better than in that
36:22
context. Because we have a will, does it make us better, we are
36:28
part of creation. And then we if we respect, all that, all that
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is embodied in creation, that all things were created for him
36:36
by his good pleasure, then we have a better understanding of
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our place in creation. And not as a sovereign person or a
36:46
sovereign being in creation, but as a participant in creation to
36:51
bring forward love and harmony in the world. And
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Alan Carroll: as you park the waves, between the thoughts, you
37:02
realized is a blank canvas there, and you then have the
37:06
power to paint on that Canvas, what you want to see outside.
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And so obviously, I'll paint love, kindness and compassion.
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And all of a sudden, I speak love, kindness, compassion, I
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see love, kindness, compassion. And that's all I see. Because
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that's my that's my reality. But what do you have to give up?
37:26
What do you have to give up? What hat? What do you got to
37:28
give up to park them waves? You got to give up something big in
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order to do that. And most people, no way. Am I gonna give
37:36
that up new way. Oh, hold on that to the day I die. Jesus
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told.
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Unknown: I was always I was on a train yesterday, on my way to
37:48
teach a class and I started thinking about the Scripture, we
37:51
die daily. And I was like, Wow, I'm wondering, I really want to
37:56
dive into what does that mean? We die daily. So we have to give
38:01
up some stuff. What did I have to give up? I had to give up
38:04
potato chips.
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Alan Carroll: No, no, no, we're not giving up potato chips. No,
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that's not. That's not
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Unknown: my daddy been eating. Right. I had to go in. I know
38:21
that sounds funny. But it was difficult because that was a
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snack that I lived with all my life. I can't remember not
38:27
having potato chips. Right? Right. So but if I know that
38:31
it's harming me, I had to give up baking. I know that it's
38:39
home, because I'm aware now of what it's doing to me. So I keep
38:43
doing it. And I go to the doctor, he's like, you gotta get
38:46
your cholesterol down. And I go, Okay, I'm gonna get it down. But
38:50
then I go, we'll have a bacon sandwich. I'm just aware of the
38:54
ramifications of it. But I'm not actually giving anything up.
38:59
Right? The number three killer in the world, not in America in
39:04
the world. Number one and two fluctuates is heart disease and
39:11
cancer fluctuates. Number three is medicine,
39:15
Alan Carroll: medicine, medicine, the medicine that we
39:19
take medicine
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Unknown: that we think it's telling us.
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Alan Carroll: Let you talk to my wife, she's a big believer in
39:27
not going to hospitals and watch those watch out for those
39:30
Western doctors. They wanted they want to treat you with
39:33
medicine. And whereas I like Deepak wants to treat me with
39:36
yoga and meditation. And I'd rather be treated with the
39:40
spiritual work of yoga and meditation and the breath work,
39:44
and it's just wonderful. So we're gonna we're gonna complete
39:48
our conversation but the conversation is not complete as
39:51
far as I'm concerned around you. You are your ability to speak
39:57
from the heart is real. rejuvenating, I think is a word
40:02
I would use, read, rejuvenate, rejuvenate the the power, of
40:10
stillness, as it is practically applied in situations and has a
40:19
healing effect. They couldn't stop for 10 seconds. Now they
40:25
can stop for 10 minutes. And my people might say, so what. But
40:35
in the first one, you are on that automatic reaction to
40:41
what's going on. But as you're able to shift over here, you now
40:48
have that 10 minutes of silence, to ponder what seeds that you
40:55
want to sow, in the garden of your reality. And you are you
41:00
have the seeds, you you sow the seed, you sow those attacks,
41:04
seeds, you live in attack reality, you sow the seeds of of
41:10
love and compassion and joy. You live in that reality. And so
41:14
you're sowing seeds of love and compassion and joy in a concrete
41:20
garden. And you're seeing little flowers, little things happen in
41:28
a concrete garden where they said, This is the lowest darkest
41:32
place, can't get any worse than this. And the way you vividly
41:36
described it of the daily bombardment of sound. Just you
41:46
personally, I was watching the news, which I never watch at six
41:53
o'clock. And I couldn't believe it actually physically affected
41:57
my body to hear all the negativity of the world coming
42:01
into my mind. Turn that sucker off right away. Because it has a
42:06
strong influence, but we don't think it does. And that's why
42:10
the power of meditation that you're bringing into the schools
42:13
and around the world is, is wonderful. Wonderful. So thank
42:17
you very, very, very much for being a wonderful guest. And I
42:20
look forward to having future conversations, because you're a
42:25
you're a cornucopia of love for people. So I like that very
42:30
much.
42:31
Unknown: Thank you. Thank you.
42:35
Alan Carroll: And anything that you'd like to say to the
42:37
audience if they wanted to reach out and how to contact you or
42:40
reach out how they can make donations to the foundations.
42:45
Now,
42:47
Unknown: right now, we're, we're rebranding everything with our
42:51
website and everything. So we don't have our website up and
42:54
going but it is urban Yogi's. And it's going to be open I had
42:59
put as urban Yogi's book, our we have a PayPal, which is the
43:04
church's Tillmann at one ministry. So that's the name of
43:09
the email, dot church. Tillman at one ministries dot church,
43:12
you can give it to our Patreon, and we have our business
43:14
accounts and everything. But it's not connected to all our
43:17
websites and stuff yet. So as soon as we get that up, I would
43:20
love to get get back to you at that. But also, if anybody ever,
43:25
this is my first time guessing. My one of my goals is to go out
43:30
and start speaking and talk and like I sit down, I look at
43:35
Deepak and I'm like I could do that. You can do that. You can
43:39
do that really wonder, I really want to get involved. So if
43:42
anybody my email is Tillman, two to nine@gmail.com. And we're
43:49
always ready to get our speaker to share with anyone and I thank
43:54
you for allowing us to come on and share what it is that we do.
43:59
Alan Carroll: Well. Excellent. And so we will we will continue
44:05
to speak be connected into the future because this sounds like
44:09
an exciting, an exciting opportunity for us to go back
44:11
and forth a few times. So I wish you by i wish you success. And I
44:17
wish you to have a joyful stillness day full of bliss and
44:22
joy.
44:23
Unknown: But it's 80 degrees in New York. And I have an outdoor
44:27
event. About to go speech at the homeless shelter. Kids fresh out
44:34
of school, trying to get them to get on a map.
44:38
Alan Carroll: Amazing. Well, thank you very, very much. All
44:41
right, goodbye.