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British comedian Gina Yashere on releasing her first book, the memoir Cack-Handed · The Steve Harvey Morning Show

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Speaker 1: to call industry decision makers. My next guest is Gina Yashare.
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Speaker 1: Gene is releasing her first book, the memoir Cat Handed.
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Speaker 1: The British comedian of Nigerian heritage, is the co creator,
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Speaker 1: co executive producer, writer and actress in the CBS hit
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Speaker 1: series Bob Hopps Aba Showler. Her book Cat Handed chronicles
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Speaker 1: her odyssey our journey. We can use the over term
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Speaker 1: because she's funny and we're gonna talk about her humor
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Speaker 1: to America and bringing into Hollywood, and there's lively and
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Speaker 1: humorous memoir and it's I would to say, it's also informative.
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Speaker 1: We should put that in there because it talks about history.
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Speaker 1: Jenna Yashare has appeared on appeared on countless television shows
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Speaker 1: both in the UK and the US. She's on her
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Speaker 1: way to being one of the great stars from Britain.
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Speaker 1: And guess what we share something. She performed on Death
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Speaker 1: Comedy jam and it's the onliest British comedian performer Jeff
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Speaker 1: County jam. I also performed on Death Comedies and Please
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Speaker 1: Welcome to Money Making Conversation. Gina, Yeah, Shai, nice to
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Speaker 1: leave you. Sean, how you doing, my friend? Uh, let's
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Speaker 1: let's start with the name. Let's start with the names,
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Speaker 1: because that means you know, my name is Rushan and
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Speaker 1: you know, as I was coming to them through the business,
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Speaker 1: I had so many people say my name different and
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Speaker 1: sometimes I let that slide because I just wanted to
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Speaker 1: I just wanted stage time. I wouanted somebody to let
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Speaker 1: me in the front door. So if you caught me rude, Russian,
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Speaker 1: uh rashin, I went with it, you know. And then
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Speaker 1: it came to the point where rashan, what's my name?
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Speaker 1: And and I held to that, and then I corrected
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Speaker 1: people talk about your journey with your last name, and
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Speaker 1: also because I know it's important to talk about that
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Speaker 1: because people don't understand that it comes with respect, it
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Speaker 1: comes with also statue because once people started saying it right,
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Speaker 1: it means you elevating your game. Talk about your exactly
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Speaker 1: exactly I want to. Obviously, my name is Nigerli and
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Speaker 1: my parents to night from Benin City and Niger, and
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Speaker 1: my name is Yeah and that yeah, and it's actually
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Speaker 1: spelled I y A s H g r E. But
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Speaker 1: when I started doing comedy, they kept mispronouncing the name
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Speaker 1: and pronouncing the eye, which is almost silent, and so
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Speaker 1: I so I dropped the eye from my name. So yes,
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Speaker 1: because the eyes almost saying yesterday, the eyes silent. So
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Speaker 1: I dropped the eye to help people put out pronounce
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Speaker 1: it properly. And they still mispronounced it for a long time.
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Speaker 1: I get called the sheer yes, like old. So I
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Speaker 1: have to make I've got this thing now I go
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Speaker 1: it's yesterday. I think yes, hooray and people, you know,
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Speaker 1: so I can tell who has done their research before
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Speaker 1: the show when they pronounced my name quit he did good.
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Speaker 1: I think you did. I like that, like that, like
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Speaker 1: I like the tush hooray, I like that. I like that.
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Speaker 1: I like that. I like that almost like cheering your
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Speaker 1: name because actually exactly a breath of fresh air. You know,
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Speaker 1: you are breash of fresh air. And we want to
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Speaker 1: talk about a couple of things. You want to talk
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Speaker 1: about their Because I was a sitcom, right, you know
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Speaker 1: I did? Uh? I did? Of course. I broke it
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Speaker 1: with Steve Harvey and Me and the Bars on ABC.
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Speaker 1: Then I did Robert Towns and Parenthood and Sister Sister
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Speaker 1: with the Twins, Tim Tomorrow Marrow and then Jamie Fox series,
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Speaker 1: and I also did Monique series, The Parkers, and so
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Speaker 1: I so we I wanted to do this interview because
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Speaker 1: of the fact that I felt we related a lot.
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Speaker 1: But you just came from British and you have a
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Speaker 1: Nigerian background. But we are both people of color, which
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Speaker 1: means that we also experienced racism. Also, people passing over
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Speaker 1: was ignoring our talents. Talk about your journey a little
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Speaker 1: bit from the writing side, the sitcom side, to get
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Speaker 1: your story, your show that your co executive producer, that
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Speaker 1: you co created on the air on CBS. Yeah. I mean,
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Speaker 1: the thing is, I never considered myself a TV my.
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Speaker 1: I was like a stand up comic. That's what I do,
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Speaker 1: that's what I love, That's what I'm gonna do forever.
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Speaker 1: And I was hoping to become successful as that hugely successful.
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Speaker 1: I mean I am successfuls to stand up comic guy
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Speaker 1: for quite a while, but that was all I wanted
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Speaker 1: to do. I've never been crazy ambitious. My dream was
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Speaker 1: to be the best friend on someone else's sitcom and
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Speaker 1: used that stydom to sell out bigger comedy clubs and arenas,
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Speaker 1: and that's all I wanted to do. People will offering
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Speaker 1: me gigs for years to write on TV shows, and
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Speaker 1: I was like, no, I don't want to day job.
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Speaker 1: I don't want to work for anybody else. I like
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Speaker 1: working for myself. I don't And I've heard horror stories
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Speaker 1: of the politics and things that go on in writer's rooms,
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Speaker 1: and I was like, I want no parts of that.
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Speaker 1: So I avoided writing on a TV show from all
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Speaker 1: my career. This show came out of the blue. I
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Speaker 1: just got to call out the blue, but from Chuck Glory.
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Speaker 1: My agent got a call saying, Chuck Laurie of Big
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Speaker 1: Bang Theory two and a half then he wants to meet,
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Speaker 1: and I was like okay. And I was living in
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Speaker 1: New York at the time, very happily doing my stand up.
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Speaker 1: I lived in l A for a few years, struggle
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Speaker 1: to make money, and I was like, you know what,
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Speaker 1: I'm going to New York because as a stand up
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Speaker 1: come I can make a living in New York. I'm
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Speaker 1: getting New York. So I was living happily in New
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Speaker 1: York for six years, had no plans to come back
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Speaker 1: to Los Angeles. So I had this meeting. I flew
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Speaker 1: over to l A to meet Chuck. I mean, originally
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Speaker 1: I was like, well, they're flying me first class, right,
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Speaker 1: I've just come off along tour first class, And my
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Speaker 1: agent was like, uh, they don't fly people first class
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Speaker 1: because it's just from meeting. And I was like, well
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Speaker 1: then I'm not going. So basically I knew my work
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Speaker 1: from day one. I was like, if they really want
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Speaker 1: to meet me, I googled Chuck Lory, I've googled Warner Brothers.
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Speaker 1: I see how much money they got. They could afford
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Speaker 1: the first class tickets. So I held out for that,
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Speaker 1: and they did. They flew me first class for this meeting.
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Speaker 1: And I walked into a meeting with Chuck Worry and
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Speaker 1: basically he was like, I'm trying to make this show.
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Speaker 1: I love Billy Gardell, who I made Michael Molly with.
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Speaker 1: I want to do another show with him, but this
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Speaker 1: time I don't. I don't want I want to productive
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Speaker 1: put the female protagonist to be a Nigerian woman. Wow us.
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Speaker 1: So obviously we were three white guys because it was
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Speaker 1: Chuck Loriy, Eddie Gardetski and Our Higgins where he's main
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Speaker 1: two collaborators on a lot of few stuff. And he
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Speaker 1: was like, we're three white guys. We need you to
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Speaker 1: sort of consult on all things African. Now, in my head,
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Speaker 1: I was like what. I was not feeling it at all.
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Speaker 1: I've seen you know, I've had ideas of mine stolen before.
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Speaker 1: So I was not. I was not into it at all.
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Speaker 1: But in the room, I was like, Okay, interesting, sounds interesting.
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Speaker 1: for another two hours, and like, this is an opportunity.
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Speaker 1: to play a lot of the roles, you know, because
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Speaker 1: when you watch TV and movies with Africans, the accents
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Speaker 1: are always wrong. America seems to see Africa as a
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Speaker 1: different languages, different religions, different traditions, different styles of dress,
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Speaker 1: different everything. So I was like, if we're gonna do this,
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Speaker 1: are authentic. So we get that five to the Nigerians
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Speaker 1: can watch it and and enjoy it and know that
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Speaker 1: there's a Nigerian behind the scenes making so and then
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Speaker 1: gonna just tell you right now. You know, being in
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Speaker 1: not wrong in your feelings. Somebody comes in there, white
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Speaker 1: Laureate Big Bang theory. The guy, the guy is super rich.
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Speaker 1: We all know that, okay, and so and so absolutely
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Speaker 1: and so he really is, he really is? And so
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Speaker 1: and that's just a you know, uh two and a
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Speaker 1: half min just a number of series he's done over
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Speaker 1: the years. Because Barbar Laurie has been arounds long as
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Speaker 1: I've been doing sitcoms. Back in I've been writing no sitcoms.
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Speaker 1: So when the show Bob Hearts Bob Hearts at a
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Speaker 1: Shoulder came about and you did a pilot, did you
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Speaker 1: ask for any additional writers of color on staff? How
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Speaker 1: did they work out? Oh? Absolutely? Um. I said to them, Look,
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Speaker 1: here's the thing you've discovered me. But there's a lot
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Speaker 1: of means out there, and if we're gonna make this
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Speaker 1: show authentic, we can't be dealing having a room full
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Speaker 1: of the same old white guys that you've been working
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Speaker 1: with for years. So I want to make sure we've
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Speaker 1: got black marks in the room. But what I did,
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Speaker 1: I did I circumvented the normal way of trying to
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Speaker 1: force them to take on black rights, what I would
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Speaker 1: do with obviously on the start up comics. So I
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Speaker 1: book a comedy club and I'll be headlining, and I
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Speaker 1: put my black friends on the shows, and then invite
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Speaker 1: Chucking the guys to come to the shows. I invited
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Speaker 1: them shows, and I didn't tell my friends what I
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Speaker 1: was doing because I didn't want them to be nervous.
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Speaker 1: And I just go, yeah, just come and open the
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Speaker 1: show from me. I'm headlining, Come and do twenty minutes
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Speaker 1: up in front of me. So I invited my friends
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Speaker 1: onto the show and put them on the shows. And
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Speaker 1: then I invited Chuck and Alan Eddie to my comedy show.
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Speaker 1: And whenever they went, oh, we like that person. She's
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Speaker 1: very funny. We really liked her, and I go, we're
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Speaker 1: really good because she also writes. I. So I then
14:32
Speaker 1: set up meetings between these comedies that they liked, and
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Speaker 1: then and that's how I got black black writers on
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Speaker 1: the show. So I got Gloria Bigielow, who was a
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Speaker 1: stand up comic in l A. That's how I got
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Speaker 1: her on the show. I put her on my comedy night.
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Speaker 1: They liked her. I was like, well, she writes, and
14:48
Speaker 1: I put them together. They had a meeting, they loved her,
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Speaker 1: and now she has been a writer from day one
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Speaker 1: on the show. And that's how we did. And then
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Speaker 1: we went out and looked for young Nigerian writers and
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Speaker 1: young Black writers to put in the room. So that's
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Speaker 1: you know, I insisted that the room has to reflect
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Speaker 1: this show, and they were open to it. They were
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Speaker 1: open to no one will be the only black riding
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Speaker 1: in the room fighting. I need other black writers and
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Speaker 1: I need women as well. I need a nice mixed room.
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Speaker 1: And that's what we did. So I'm very proud of that,
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Speaker 1: uh and that. And also when we were passing the show,
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Speaker 1: I made sure that I sat in all the auditions,
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Speaker 1: so when those black actors walked into a room and
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Speaker 1: saw me sitting there, they knew that they were not
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Speaker 1: going to be asked to do any kind of coonery.
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Speaker 1: You know what I mean, absolutely absolutely, well, you know
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Speaker 1: what that thing came up to me afterwards and said,
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Speaker 1: it was so good to see you in the room
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Speaker 1: because it made that It puts us at ease immediately.
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Speaker 1: I really people needn't understand the process that you're going
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Speaker 1: through and being a portrait and a person who was
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Speaker 1: involved in sitcoms right there, it can lead to stupid jokes,
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Speaker 1: It can move to I remember when Steve Harvey were
15:56
Speaker 1: doing sitcom Me and the Boys on this first calm
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Speaker 1: for some reason, you know, whenever he would just scream,
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Speaker 1: then the audience in the stands would laugh. And so
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Speaker 1: the writer's in room suddenly will create moments. Don't you
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Speaker 1: scream here? Won't you scream here? He said, why because
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Speaker 1: need And plus I love the fact g you know
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Speaker 1: because sometimes you don't want to be the person that
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Speaker 1: person who lives this protsial, particular life and you need support.
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Speaker 1: And that's where the writer's room is about, especially in sitcoms,
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Speaker 1: because it's usually about just give people background information by
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Speaker 1: tending to have writers in the sitcom room because you
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Speaker 1: the script in your name? Am I write? Oh yeah, absolutely,
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Speaker 1: premises there, and we all pitching to make it better.
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Speaker 1: And sometimes I've handed it a skip to go that's scene.
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Speaker 1: I but what's that toastic? And then we work on
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Speaker 1: it and I go, all right, you're right, it's better now.
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Speaker 1: I hate to admit it, but it's better. Absolutely. But
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Speaker 1: that's that's the whole part about And by bringing up
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Speaker 1: virtutile talent like you on because making that transition from
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Speaker 1: a stand up comic to a writer, and because the
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Speaker 1: check the money is good everybody. I'm just to let
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Speaker 1: you know you get health benefits. And I remember the
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Speaker 1: first time I saw my check, I showed it to
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Speaker 1: I was just a staff right Affectually, I came on
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Speaker 1: board as an executive story of it, and you know
17:47
Speaker 1: that checks nice, that was back in ninety two. Okay,
17:50
Speaker 1: that check was way nice back in ninety two. It's
17:52
Speaker 1: way better now. And so that's why. Really you might
17:56
Speaker 1: see the people in front of the cameras working, but
17:59
Speaker 1: sometimes the writers and the producers behind the cameras are
18:02
Speaker 1: actually making more money than the actors in front of
18:05
Speaker 1: the camera. Talk about that whole or awakening, because like
18:08
Speaker 1: you said, you just wanted to do stand up, You
18:10
Speaker 1: just wanted to be on stage. But then they are
18:12
Speaker 1: awakening of getting that steady check, getting insurance, being validated
18:17
Speaker 1: as a producing the writer opened so many more doors
18:19
Speaker 1: and respect for your brand. Correct. Absolutely, I had no idea,
18:24
Speaker 1: So I had no idea. So you know what. Originally
18:29
Speaker 1: they brought me as a consultant. I was just gonna
18:31
Speaker 1: be consultant, and a couple of days in Chuck was like,
18:34
Speaker 1: you know what, Uh, you can't do their consultant. We
18:37
Speaker 1: need you to help us write this show. So they
18:39
Speaker 1: bumped me up to co create it. Because I created
18:42
Speaker 1: the characters. I told them what the characters were gonna
18:44
Speaker 1: be about, what they were gonna do. So I literally
18:47
Speaker 1: created all the characters based on so they kind of
18:49
Speaker 1: knew we can't do this without Gina, so they bumped
18:52
Speaker 1: me up to co creator and producer. And so, you know,
18:56
Speaker 1: when those check started coming and I was like, oh
18:58
Speaker 1: my god, this white boys have been earning all this
19:01
Speaker 1: money all this time. What have I been doing wasting
19:03
Speaker 1: my life with this standard stuff? But you know, we
19:07
Speaker 1: last we laughed. But that's true myself and as an actor,
19:11
Speaker 1: because we're know I are talking about that, but we're
19:13
Speaker 1: talking about you got a separate check when you wrote
19:16
Speaker 1: a script. Now, I know back in the day it
19:19
Speaker 1: was sixteen thousand dollars per script. I don't know what
19:21
Speaker 1: it is now, but I'm pretty sure it's more than
19:23
Speaker 1: sixteen thousand dollars perscribed. And the check just keep coming in.
19:27
Speaker 1: I've never seen anything like it. So obviously I get
19:29
Speaker 1: a check as a writer produced, I get extra check
19:32
Speaker 1: as a co creator. Then I also, because I'm a
19:36
Speaker 1: comedian and I'm a performer, I wrote myself in as
19:38
Speaker 1: an actor. I've always wanted to be the best friend
19:41
Speaker 1: on someone else's sitcom. So when we started writing and
19:44
Speaker 1: I was like, um, I think Sean that needs the
19:46
Speaker 1: best friends. What do you think, guys? I think she
19:48
Speaker 1: needs a confident And I created this character. They didn't
19:50
Speaker 1: know I was creating it for myself, this character. So
19:55
Speaker 1: you know, you've got all those checks pluster with pepees.
19:58
Speaker 1: You know, during the pandemic when there was a lot,
20:01
Speaker 1: a lot of material because a lot of shows got
20:02
Speaker 1: shut down. I show got repeated a lot, and these
20:06
Speaker 1: sex just kept coming in and mail box money, mail
20:09
Speaker 1: box money, come on now day. Oh, I'm like, this
20:15
Speaker 1: is madness. And I was like, no one though, these
20:17
Speaker 1: white boys love being on the shots because these checks
20:20
Speaker 1: keep coming. Just something Gina, Uh, I still get checks
20:25
Speaker 1: from Jamie Fox Show, that's nat. I still get checks
20:30
Speaker 1: from Sister Sister, that's nint seven. I still get checks
20:33
Speaker 1: from from the Parkers. That's two thousands. So you do,
20:37
Speaker 1: those checks will keep coming. And that's why you go,
20:41
Speaker 1: how these people living because they're living off residuals, they're
20:44
Speaker 1: living off for royalties. And I just feel it's such
20:47
Speaker 1: a blessing that Chuck really saw that and say, look,
20:50
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be I'm gonna do right by you. Okay,
20:53
Speaker 1: I can have you sitting over here as a consultant,
20:55
Speaker 1: but the real money in the game is writing, co producing,
21:00
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21:03
Speaker 1: check comes with each one, and now that allows you
21:05
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21:08
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21:12
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21:14
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21:18
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21:21
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21:24
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21:26
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21:30
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21:33
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21:36
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Speaker 1: Let's go back to my favorite part of your career,
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Speaker 1: stand up comedy. Uh my degrees in mathematics. Okay, I
23:16
Speaker 1: got graduated with you an engineer. So, like I said,
23:19
Speaker 1: I know we've never met Gina, but I just feel
23:22
Speaker 1: that we have such a bond because we we journey.
23:25
Speaker 1: I come from a big family, six histers, two brothers, Houston, Texas.
23:29
Speaker 1: And your book cat Handed talks about uh Nigeria and
23:33
Speaker 1: it talks about polygamy and talk about the British rule.
23:36
Speaker 1: It talks about how people are considering what you're doing
23:39
Speaker 1: to being sending for all asius living a lifestyle of polygamy,
23:44
Speaker 1: but talked to about how that really was an advantage
23:47
Speaker 1: and also since a royalty, like we joked off air
23:49
Speaker 1: that in my family, my mom and dad suchially my
23:52
Speaker 1: dad was in Nigeria having six shisters in two and
23:55
Speaker 1: two sons. He was in great shape, three songs. He
23:58
Speaker 1: was in great shape. So talk about that whole lifestyle,
24:00
Speaker 1: didn't want to come with your transfer over to London, England.
24:04
Speaker 1: How their lifestyle and then we're gonna talk about coming
24:06
Speaker 1: to America. Let's get started. In Nigeria, Yeah, I mean, obviously,
24:10
Speaker 1: polygamy was widely practiced. My grandfather had many wives and
24:15
Speaker 1: many children, and it was a matter of survival. It
24:19
Speaker 1: was a matter of keeping a closeness in the family,
24:22
Speaker 1: and the whole family lived on one complaint pound and
24:25
Speaker 1: that's how it was. And it wasn't seen as citizal
24:29
Speaker 1: to why people came over and we're like, what are
24:31
Speaker 1: you're doing is wrong? It's there forward braining to these deities,
24:34
Speaker 1: You're gonna worship this white garden, this white Jesus and
24:37
Speaker 1: basically force their religion and their lifestyle and their beliefs
24:41
Speaker 1: on the African people. And and basically a lot of
24:44
Speaker 1: our stuff got sort of watered down and lost over
24:47
Speaker 1: the years, and to a certain point, we've forgotten some
24:50
Speaker 1: of our original, um you know, traditions because it got
24:55
Speaker 1: beaten and stolen from us, you know. Um. So that
24:59
Speaker 1: was where my so my mother came from. That my
25:01
Speaker 1: mother's father, she had lots of brothers and sisters from
25:05
Speaker 1: various wives of her father and all the all the
25:08
Speaker 1: women lived on a compound that it's not always not
25:11
Speaker 1: always happy, you know, love and happiness. Because my mother's
25:14
Speaker 1: mother was poisoned by one of the other wives because
25:17
Speaker 1: there was some jealousy. There's a hierarchy and my mother's
25:20
Speaker 1: mother was the first wife and so she, you know,
25:23
Speaker 1: she was top of the hierarchy and was prone. She was,
25:27
Speaker 1: you know, throne to resemble from the other wives. It
25:31
Speaker 1: was like an episode of Dynasty or something. It's like
25:36
Speaker 1: a real soap popular happily, but that was the tradition
25:38
Speaker 1: and that was the life that my mom came from.
25:41
Speaker 1: But as a daughter, which was kind of the patriarchy
25:46
Speaker 1: in Nigeria's race young as a daughter, you know, a
25:49
Speaker 1: lot of time the daughters weren't always educated. They were
25:52
Speaker 1: motherhood and wiped him. But because my mother was keenly
25:55
Speaker 1: intelligent and her father was a well traveled businessman. He
25:58
Speaker 1: was traveling all over, were traveling over the mail because
26:01
Speaker 1: doing business, so he was quite an open minded and
26:05
Speaker 1: well traveled guy. And he chose to educate my mother
26:08
Speaker 1: because you could see that my mother was extremely intelligent,
26:11
Speaker 1: and she sent her to really good schools and she
26:13
Speaker 1: was educated and my mother became one of the youngest
26:18
Speaker 1: headmistresses school you know school principles in Nigeria. She was
26:23
Speaker 1: in a school principle before she was twenty four years old,
26:27
Speaker 1: so she was highly educated. And eventually she ended up
26:30
Speaker 1: coming to England to further her studies. And it was
26:33
Speaker 1: in England that she met my father. But basically she
26:37
Speaker 1: was kind of like forced to go over it, right,
26:40
Speaker 1: she was kind of killing mother was killed by the
26:42
Speaker 1: other wife because she was so educated and so beloved
26:48
Speaker 1: by her father. My mother, her mother had begged her
26:53
Speaker 1: father to send her away that she's in danger from
26:57
Speaker 1: the other wife. She was envious of her education and
27:00
Speaker 1: the fact that she was so beloved by her father.
27:03
Speaker 1: So after her mother died, her father was like okay
27:07
Speaker 1: and sent her to England. Said, look, here's money, go
27:10
Speaker 1: to England, further your studies. Make her life in England.
27:13
Speaker 1: Because you know, England was seen as the motherland. Nigeria
27:16
Speaker 1: was a British colony, so England was seen as the
27:19
Speaker 1: motherland of night children. A lot of Nigerians wanted to
27:22
Speaker 1: go to England to study, gain those qualifications and then
27:25
Speaker 1: come back and bring their their new qualifications back to
27:29
Speaker 1: my jew and help build the country. So my my
27:31
Speaker 1: my grandfather sent my mother to England to study and
27:34
Speaker 1: that's where she was and that's where she met my father,
27:37
Speaker 1: and that's where my history begins. Well, your history where
27:40
Speaker 1: your history is a great history, you know in the
27:42
Speaker 1: cat candid, let's talk about that titlor because I want
27:45
Speaker 1: to go. I'm talking to Jina Yashire. You know, she's
27:47
Speaker 1: the co executive, he's the co creator, actress, co starring
27:50
Speaker 1: on this series Bob Hearts Bob Hart ab Sholo, which
27:54
Speaker 1: is a CBR hit series. Now, when when I talk
27:57
Speaker 1: about this about you in general, Um, what I want
28:00
Speaker 1: to make sure people understand is that cat handed is
28:02
Speaker 1: a word for clumsy, awkward. You know, she's left handed.
28:05
Speaker 1: That's what cat means left in the British terminology. So
28:10
Speaker 1: where where are we leaving with? Is were leading with
28:13
Speaker 1: the word awkward tired to cat? We leave the word clumsy,
28:17
Speaker 1: tired to cat or just out of a fish out
28:19
Speaker 1: of water, which one of those terms. Oh, there are
28:22
Speaker 1: so many meanings for the books. As you you said,
28:25
Speaker 1: cat handed is a British Oh, British word for left
28:27
Speaker 1: handed also mean it's clumsy or good, which I don't
28:30
Speaker 1: believe we are. I think we're living in the right
28:32
Speaker 1: handed world, so we're perceived as clumsy. If I'm at
28:35
Speaker 1: the bar and I'm next to you, what I'm talking about,
28:37
Speaker 1: I'm gesticulating with my left hand. I'm gonna knock, however,
28:40
Speaker 1: your drink because you put your drink on the right
28:42
Speaker 1: hand side of your body, which is your dominant hand.
28:45
Speaker 1: My left hand is my dominant hand. I'm gonna luck
28:48
Speaker 1: you drink over and then you're gonna call me clumsy,
28:50
Speaker 1: but it's not. It's a right handed world and I'm
28:53
Speaker 1: just clumsy in it because everything is catered for the
28:55
Speaker 1: right handers. So that's why cat handed means it's clumsy.
28:59
Speaker 1: And it also talks about my journey. My journey has
29:02
Speaker 1: never been straightforward. I've had to duck, dive, and weave
29:06
Speaker 1: and and circumvent various obstacles that have been put in
29:09
Speaker 1: my way. So that's also another meaning of cat handed,
29:12
Speaker 1: in that my journey has been unconventional. Also, khat is
29:16
Speaker 1: another word for pooh. And I know if you knew that,
29:18
Speaker 1: I did not know that my research. I didn't know
29:20
Speaker 1: that in my research. You know, our research and your girl.
29:23
Speaker 1: Many cultures, African culture, Middle Eastern culture, the left hand
29:27
Speaker 1: is the hand that's supposed to be the one that's
29:30
Speaker 1: used to wipe your bottom after you do a pooh
29:33
Speaker 1: kat is another word for pooh, so kat basically means
29:36
Speaker 1: pooh handed. So though are very and as a Nigerian,
29:40
Speaker 1: because my family is African, I was born left handed.
29:43
Speaker 1: For a long time, I was forced to write with
29:45
Speaker 1: my right hand because the left hand is seen is unclean.
29:48
Speaker 1: And even in the Bible, you know, there's terms that say,
29:51
Speaker 1: you know, Jesus sat on the right hand side of God.
29:54
Speaker 1: The right hand is always the good side. The left
29:56
Speaker 1: hand is always seen as unclean. So when I was
29:58
Speaker 1: a kid, yeah, forced to write with my right hand,
30:01
Speaker 1: forced to cook with my right hand, forced to do so.
30:03
Speaker 1: If my mom walked into the kitchen and I was
30:06
Speaker 1: serving up food with my left hand, I got a
30:09
Speaker 1: slap around the head and all that food would go
30:11
Speaker 1: in the flash and we start again. So hence that's
30:15
Speaker 1: why the title of the book is that, because it
30:16
Speaker 1: encompasses various aspects of my life on my journey. Wow,
30:20
Speaker 1: you're amazing, uh, And I want to wrap up by
30:23
Speaker 1: asking a couple of more questions. One, why did you
30:25
Speaker 1: write the book? Because it's a memoir, you know, and
30:28
Speaker 1: a memoir is usually told you want people to be
30:31
Speaker 1: motivated by your story, which I am motivated by your story.
30:35
Speaker 1: But why did you write the book? And also become relatable?
30:38
Speaker 1: I felt a lot of your story was relatable because
30:40
Speaker 1: if in the beginning and you know, well, you know,
30:43
Speaker 1: you may be in London, England, but you dealt with racism,
30:45
Speaker 1: just like I deal with racism in America, and sometimes
30:48
Speaker 1: we don't understand that there's a Black Lives Matter the
30:50
Speaker 1: movement and in London as it is in America. Talk
30:53
Speaker 1: about the importance of the memoir and also talk about
30:56
Speaker 1: how timeling this book is because it also is a
30:59
Speaker 1: history less and books. It walks through the path of
31:01
Speaker 1: how basically you can say that you know, Nigeria was
31:06
Speaker 1: was was undermined it and basically robbed and the jury
31:12
Speaker 1: and the success and the wealth was brought into British museums.
31:16
Speaker 1: So talk about that and help us out as as
31:18
Speaker 1: we as we recommend people to pick up this book
31:21
Speaker 1: because it is an amazing book. Cat handed, Yeah, I
31:25
Speaker 1: mean why I wrote the book convinually? It started off
31:27
Speaker 1: as just on Instagram, there was a hashtag slowback Thursdays
31:31
Speaker 1: where you past old pictures, and I was posting old
31:34
Speaker 1: pictures and writing the story behind the pictures. So I
31:36
Speaker 1: posted a picture and write an elaborate post explaining the
31:39
Speaker 1: history behind the picture, and people were really interested in saying,
31:43
Speaker 1: oh my god, your stories is so good, why don't
31:45
Speaker 1: you write a book? So I started keeping those posts
31:48
Speaker 1: in a folder and eventually a literally agent saw my
31:52
Speaker 1: post and contacted me and says, you need to write
31:55
Speaker 1: the book. So I, you know, I kept the post like, well,
31:58
Speaker 1: maybe one day in the future about the book. But
31:59
Speaker 1: I never really considered that this would happen so soon.
32:02
Speaker 1: So that's how the universe worked. And I wanted to
32:04
Speaker 1: talk about my history because people don't seem to realize
32:07
Speaker 1: that the UK started slavery, imperialism. The United Kingdom ruled
32:13
Speaker 1: most of the planet at one point, so people think
32:16
Speaker 1: that American racism is the be all and end all
32:18
Speaker 1: the racism. No, Americans learned that from the Brits. Americans
32:23
Speaker 1: came from the Bridge. What we don't what you know?
32:27
Speaker 1: You don't realize that a lot of the black people
32:29
Speaker 1: that are from the Islands Jamaica, Barbendos, Trinidad, so we
32:33
Speaker 1: should these are all Caribbean descendants of slaves. The British
32:38
Speaker 1: did their slavery slightly different from America, and that I
32:42
Speaker 1: used to do a routine on stage where I did
32:43
Speaker 1: the British did equivalent of the Americans did the equivalent
32:47
Speaker 1: of going robbing someone's house, as is, stealing people from
32:50
Speaker 1: Africa and bringing them back home to their own house.
32:53
Speaker 1: The bridge that the equivalent of stealing stuff but keeping
32:56
Speaker 1: it in other people's house, went to Africa and stole
33:00
Speaker 1: black people. They didn't bring them all to England. They
33:02
Speaker 1: hid their dirty doings and put the black people on
33:06
Speaker 1: Caribbean islands too, for the for the sugar plantations and
33:10
Speaker 1: on Caribbean islands, and that's where all those black people
33:12
Speaker 1: who come from those islands are descendants of states. So
33:16
Speaker 1: when African Americans, you know, there's been a discord for
33:19
Speaker 1: a long time between African Americans and people coming from Africa,
33:22
Speaker 1: people coming from the islands our history, it's almost identical.
33:27
Speaker 1: Black people in the Caribbean almost suffered exactly the same cruelty,
33:32
Speaker 1: exactly the same awfulness that they did on American land,
33:37
Speaker 1: on plant plantations within America. So what I wanted to
33:39
Speaker 1: do was when I wrote the book, I started with
33:41
Speaker 1: the history of Africa, Nigeria in particular, and the history
33:46
Speaker 1: of what Britain did to Africans and how they spread
33:49
Speaker 1: black people all over the world. That it's not the
33:52
Speaker 1: Belgians were the terrible slavers, the Dutch, the South Africa,
33:56
Speaker 1: you know, all of it. So I just wanted to
34:00
Speaker 1: show the commonality between black people. Wherever you end up
34:04
Speaker 1: in the diaspora, We've all had very similar experiences. Accents
34:08
Speaker 1: might be different, we might speak different languages, but the
34:11
Speaker 1: experiences are very similar. Um. So that's part of the
34:15
Speaker 1: history of what when I explained that, and then when
34:18
Speaker 1: I talk about my upbringing in England, I was also England.
34:22
Speaker 1: People think called England, so genteel racism doesn't England and work.
34:27
Speaker 1: You're now discovering it with what happened with you know,
34:29
Speaker 1: Megan Market and Prince Harry. But racism is just as
34:33
Speaker 1: prevalent in Europe as it is in America. I spent
34:36
Speaker 1: my life running away from skinnets, being abused racially at work,
34:41
Speaker 1: being pulled over by the police all the time for
34:44
Speaker 1: no reason. The only reason that less black people die
34:46
Speaker 1: at police hands in England is because our police do
34:49
Speaker 1: not carry guns on a routine basis. They only carry
34:51
Speaker 1: guns for uh for for particular incidents where they are
34:56
Speaker 1: then have given special permission to have. They do not
34:58
Speaker 1: carry guns on a day basis. And that's the only
35:01
Speaker 1: reason the black people are not dying at the hands
35:04
Speaker 1: of police at the same numbers in England as America.
35:07
Speaker 1: The only reason the police in America are just as
35:10
Speaker 1: racist as the ones in England. The ones in England
35:13
Speaker 1: just as racist as a man. So I wanted to
35:15
Speaker 1: cover some of that in my book. I mean, there's
35:17
Speaker 1: obviously humor. I'm a comedian. I want to make you laugh,
35:20
Speaker 1: so I'm also talking, you know, putting injected quite a
35:22
Speaker 1: lot of humor in the book. But I wanted Americans
35:25
Speaker 1: reading the book to see that we have black people
35:28
Speaker 1: who have much more in common all over the world
35:31
Speaker 1: than we've been led to believe. You are amazing. Gina
35:34
Speaker 1: Yashare her book Cat Candid as a memoir about her
35:37
Speaker 1: life her journey. She's also CBS start I'm a movie
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Speaker 1: of to Start start Up as a comedian, writer, co producer,
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Speaker 1: co creative. Thank you for taking the time to come
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35:53
Speaker 1: so much for having me. I've been looking forward to this.
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