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Navigating The Mind: A Journey Of Mindfulness And Emptiness With A Light Worker With JJ DiGeronimo · Mindful You

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  Alan Carroll: Welcome to the next episode of the mindful you
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  podcast. As we explore the paths that various people have taken,
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  and where various people are on that path in the direction of
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  this land call mindfulness. And today's guest, JJ, Director
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  Monaco is going to share with us her path. And wow, it was just
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  she has the ability, JJ has the ability to have have one foot in
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  that mindfulness experience. And then is able to articulate her
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  thoughts, to support other people, and being able to have a
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  greater realization of have of that space of consciousness that
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  we're calling mindfulness. It was just captivating. tears to
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  my eyes. Just how wonderful it is to be able to have JJ de
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  Toronto as a guest on the mindful U podcast. So please
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  welcome with open hearts. JJ. JJ D Geronimo. Welcome to the
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  mindful U podcast.
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  JJ DiGeronimo: Hello, and I'm thrilled to be here. Well, thank
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  Alan Carroll: you very much. I'm thrilled to have you here.
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  Especially I love the fact that I was reading JJ, your your bio
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  was lots of mindfulness words appeared, mindfulness, this and
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  this. And so you definitely have been swimming in the ocean of
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  mindfulness. So let me just backtrack a little bit and find
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  out well, when did you first dip into the ocean? What what, what
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  what happened? What age what did any event occur that really
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  said, Oh, what's what's going on here? But take me back in and JJ
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  time? Well,
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  Unknown: I would say it mostly all happened around 2016. It was
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  sort of a tower moment. For me, I had a lot of things that were
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  just crumbling around me. And I ended up in the therapists
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  office saying, you know, I don't have the joy I expected. I'm
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  overworked. I have all these wonderful awards and accolades,
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  but I'm not really connecting with them. I don't really
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  experience the joy I was expecting. And I had a session
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  with her. And she told me at the end that I needed to go to
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  mindfulness training. And I thought it was ridiculous. Just
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  like, this is serious. Like, I'm at a point now in my life, where
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  I'm questioning everything and mindfulness training. What is
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  that? And why would I do that? That sounds so puffy in out
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  there. And I really need real answers. Absolutely.
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  Alan Carroll: practical things.
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  Unknown: Yes. And I was such a plus personality, I worked so
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  much in my masculine energy. I was such a deliverer, I worked
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  in high tech, most of my career in Silicon Valley, and I needed
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  action like real action steps. And to me that sounded like
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  something you do when you have nothing else to do. That's
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  Alan Carroll: funny. True, though, to be honest, is
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  abstract. You know, and doing push ups is real. So what do I
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  want to do push up, I don't want to abstract stuff. This is
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  serious. We're talking about here now. It's my life.
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  Unknown: That's exactly right. So when I stopped visited her
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  for the third time, she basically said do not come back,
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  unless you go to mindfulness class. So Sunday at noon, I'm
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  trucking in with my coffee and my notebook to this mindfulness
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  thing. I'm at a table with people like eight to 10 people,
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  it was based on Jon Kabat Zinn's training, and I kept opening my
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  notebook and taking notes. And at the break, the teacher came
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  over to me and said, what what is the notebook for? And I'm
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  like, kind of looked at her like, court might well, in case
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  I have a good thought she's like, next time you come, can
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  you leave your notebook in the car? And my answer was, hell no.
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  I have good thoughts when I'm quiet. So I need my notebook.
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  Alan Carroll: That's right. You're right. Absolutely. So how
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  did the battle go between the notebook and the teacher?
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  Unknown: So I brought the notebook back in.
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  Alan Carroll: There you go. That's right. Yes. Good. Good
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  for you. You stand up. I like that.
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  Unknown: Yeah. And at the break, she asked me to put the notebook
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  like closer to the door. And I just was like, This is so
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  annoying like I'm doing this class. But as you know, I wasn't
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  doing the class because I was in my head. So I wasn't doing the
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  class. And by the third class, I left my notebook in the car.
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  Wow.
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  Alan Carroll: All right. What was that must have been a
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  breakthrough moment.
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  Unknown: Oh, no, it was painful. It was painful. Because I was
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  getting all these thoughts. And I'm like, should I put it in my
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  phone, she doesn't want me to touch my phone. I would say out
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  of the eight week class, it took me well into the fourth class
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  that I could actually even participate in the activities. I
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  was so tightly wound. I was such a producer. I pride myself on
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  being producer that it was it was tough to even be in the
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  class.
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  Alan Carroll: What a wonderful experience.
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  Unknown: It was the greatest thing that ever happened to me
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  honestly, because there were people in my class that had come
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  back for the second time or the third time she had an open door
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  policy once you went through the class one time you could come
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  back again get refreshers. So I think I was absolutely the
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  knowingly. Natalie am my annoying everyone in the class,
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  I was a complete distraction. And I feel so sorry for those
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  people now because I could have benefited so much from being
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  willing and open to being part of the classroom, the beginning,
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  but there was no disguising my need for the class. It just took
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  me a long time to figure out why it was there.
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  Alan Carroll: was absolutely no like, the ego is taking a stand
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  and, and I'm not going to surrender my position. I'm not
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  going to surrender my thoughts, my ideas, my beliefs about what
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  is real and what is not real. What do you mean letting go? So
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  it sounds like from the first class to the fourth class, JJ
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  was letting go letting go letting go letting go letting
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  go. And you were always holding on creating, holding on
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  creating, holding on creating, producing, producing, producing,
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  I don't let go i buy build, I don't let go. I don't create
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  emptiness. I create fullness, baby. And so what was it like to
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  create emptiness?
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  Unknown: Well, it took some time. I won't deny it. But I
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  will say that the thing that mindfulness training has
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  provided me is the ability to have space between my thoughts.
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  Alan Carroll: You bet you Bob like this disco, say that again?
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  Tell the universe twice. It should shoot that one out there
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  twice. JJ. Yes. My big thing that you realized
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  Unknown: is that my thoughts are not me. My thoughts are only a
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  part of me.
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  Alan Carroll: Right? It's, it's, it's like, you got to sell it.
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  And then you got the little things on top of the salad. And
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  thoughts are, what I got about are the one that Eckhart Tolle
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  talks about. He says the thoughts are the ripples on the
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  ocean. Just little tiny ripples that fade away. But you have the
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  ocean. And mindfulness is the realization that underneath
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  those ripples of thought, there's an ocean and boy that
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  have that realization. JJ is exactly what I see is exactly
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  what that's the deposits about the pauses about? Well, I can't
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  manage the thoughts that I think that's real, real woowoo stuff.
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  But I can manage the thoughts that I speak. How can I do that?
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  Unknown: Hold on to Yeah, the thoughts you hold on to the
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  thoughts you pay attention to the thoughts you leverage. It
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  was such a profound shift that happened over a period of time.
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  It wasn't like even once I moved through the class, it still took
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  me a while to just I think it took me all eight classes to
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  just really realize what mindfulness was just that space,
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  that ability to just let thoughts pass through without
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  grabbing onto any one of them. Like what a profound learning
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  especially for a soul that has been in the thoughts as the life
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  for decades.
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  Alan Carroll: And so is 99% of the population on the planet
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  Earth. So it's, we're not alone. It we are we are all immersed in
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  a sea of thoughts. And and, and so how do you escape from those
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  see your thoughts? So next question. How did you escape
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  from your sea of thoughts inside your head, JJ
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  Unknown: Well, I'll just be honest, there's no escaping per
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  se, the thoughts are always there. They're always there.
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  It's like, and I think this was a huge lesson for me is, you
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  know, I had tried to mindful, I've tried to meditate a decade
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  before this. I tried all the apps, but the reality is like
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  until you learn mindfulness, at least in my account, you can't
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  really meditate and you can't just jump into meditation
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  without understanding mindfulness. I think mindfulness
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  is precursor to meditation for me. And so I always have
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  thoughts. Thoughts are there all day all night, but the idea of
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  mindfulness gives me the ability to sit back and just watch.
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  Alan Carroll: Yep, there's a ticker tape and in Times Square,
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  when you watch the ticker tape go across the buildings, dah,
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  dah, dah, dah, dah, doo doo doo. It's like the thoughts inside
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  your head all day long ticker tape ticker tape, ticker tape,
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  ticker tape, sequential No, no, no breaks at all between the you
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  don't know when a thought starts and another thought, and it's
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  continued ticker tape. And tal and Deepak Chopra are saying 65
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  to 80,000 thoughts a day, pass through the old ticker tape. And
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  then you ask yourself, well, how many of those you remember? You
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  don't remember any of them? They fade away. And that's that's the
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  dream of thought. But but but mindfulness is different. How is
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  mindfulness different, JJ than that stream of thoughts?
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  Unknown: I mean, for me, mindfulness is the tool. It's
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  the tool that I leveraged to not hang on like a monkey to those
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  stories, it gives me the ability to create space and separation,
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  it allows me to decide if I even want to listen to those
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  thoughts, which is something that I've had to teach myself,
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  like, I have to hold my hand up and say things out loud, like
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  thank you so much. Appreciate it, you know, that ego
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  conversation, you're constantly having of why it's not going to
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  work, why you're not the person call, you're not prepared. I
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  mean, it's just an just a parade of thoughts that often are not
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  supportive to what you want to lean into. And so I feel like
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  for me, it's given me the opportunity to not only
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  recognize that my thoughts are not all of me, but also the
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  space to decide which thoughts I want to explore and which ones I
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  want to let go of.
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  Alan Carroll: So to recognize that you're thinking, so you're
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  saying, I recognize that right now? I'm thinking I am
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  recognizing that there are thoughts in front of me right
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  now. I'd read their thoughts. I don't know what they are. But
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  their thoughts right there. So I got that recognition. That was
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  the first thing you said, then in order to recognize something,
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  then there has to be what? There has to be that space between the
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  observer and what's being recognized. And so you said, you
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  said, you need to recognize that there's a space between you and
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  the thoughts that you're thinking. And that is, that's
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  the definition of mindfulness, to be able to recognize that
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  there's a space between you and the thoughts? And what's the
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  value for us the next question, JJ, so So what's the value of
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  creating a space? What was so what created space? So what I
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  was saying is, I don't want to empty things, I want things in
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  my life that will make me feel better. It's absolutely magical
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  space.
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  Unknown: Yeah, the map space is the magic, the space is the
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  magic. Because when you have space, you have freedom.
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  Alan Carroll: Really, I like freedom, no doubt about freedom.
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  But how does? What is space by the way? And why does it give me
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  freedom? Where is this space you're talking about?
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  Unknown: It is, it is it is the magic of life, because it gives
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  you space between your thoughts, you are not your thoughts. You
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  don't have to do anything based on your thoughts. And it gives
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  you emotional freedom to not attach any emotion to any
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  thoughts. And so you can just be in the moment without any
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  emotion as an observer of what is happening not only inside you
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  but outside of you.
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  Alan Carroll: Are you saying that I could be watching this
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  movie of life, like I'm in a movie theater, and I'm watching
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  this movie in front of me my popcorn, I can watch the display
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  of actions and characters that are going by and events and
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  action things and all the things that happen like the media and
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  you know, watch the media, and I can keep my body and energy and
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  emotions to sort of stable, why I'm watching these, these what
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  people read regardless, for rendus chaotic things, and I
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  keep my body relaxed. You're saying that's what happens for
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  me It sounds like pretty good stuff.
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  Unknown: Oh, it's so amazing because you really start to
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  recognize that what happens inside of you is actually
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  happening outside of you. And so if you can keep a calmer state,
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  if you can not be a roller coaster with your emotions, your
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  outside starts to reflect your insight. And I really pair that
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  with working on my energy or my frequency. So how I show up in
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  life? What are the things that I'm focused on? What are the
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  things I'm paying attention to? What are the things I'm reading
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  and listening to, because I have learned that if you can raise
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  your energy, along with being mindful, you can attract like
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  energy.
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  Alan Carroll: raise my hand, it's I'm practicing mindfulness.
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  And there's something else I could do, in addition to that
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  stillness and mindfulness thing, in order to raise my vibration
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  level, to raise my vibration levels, so that I moved from a,
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  a dull kind of dead vibration to a more invigorating, joyful life
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  and joyful, blissful loving vibration. So it's like a scale.
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  So what are a couple of these little tricks you got to raise
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  my energy?
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  Unknown: Well, for me, mindfulness was the cornerstone
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  of just even recognizing that I have these thoughts that are not
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  very positive, most of the time I beat the stink out of myself.
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  But I would say there's really comes down to three things for
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  me to raise my energy is one,
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  Alan Carroll: but go slow. Now people are writing things down.
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  Now. They're, they're putting a one on their piece of paper. And
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  they're putting it two and a three. Okay, number one.
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  Unknown: So number one is to mind my thoughts. Right? So
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  number one, now that I have mindfulness in my life, I can
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  pay attention to my thoughts. Are they mostly positive? Or are
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  they mostly negative, and I can just pay attention, I'm just
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  aware of them to mind, how I talk about other people or other
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  things. Now, these are not necessarily things that come out
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  of your mouth, but they're things that you're chewing on.
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  They're things that you're saying, you know, if somebody
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  comes into your house or into the workplace, like, are you
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  having a thought about them? And is it positive or negative? And
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  so the first kind
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  Alan Carroll: of, it could be internal thoughts inside your
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  head, like a little voice that talks to you? Yes.
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  Unknown: And I realized that as a participant in the world
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  watching TV for a long time, I had a lot of judgment, whether I
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  said it out loud or not, I was judging, judging, judging all
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  the time, that was part of my awareness, once I became
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  mindful, is that my mind that only beats me up all the time,
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  but it's very judgy. And so I chose to say, You know what, I'm
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  not going to live my life being judgey or beating myself up, I'm
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  going to live my life in the positive energy. And I have to
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  make mindful decisions to focus on the positive. And so I had to
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  really create charts for myself. As I was shifting my energy,
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  which was the result of becoming mindful, I was now able to be
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  aware of am I more positive? Or am I more negative? Do I live in
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  love and light? Or do I live in worry and anxiety? And so the
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  mindfulness for me was that cornerstone that allowed me to
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  start that shift?
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  Alan Carroll: Well, you're you're good. I tell you, it's
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  very, very clear, very, very clear to be able to articulate
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  the abstractions that you're articulating, and a way that is
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  clear. That's a gift. So do you definitely have a have a gift
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  and expressing the beauty of the light? And now I also want to
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  make sure I know number three on that list. Yeah,
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  Unknown: so that is, you know, one and two is like really
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  getting the amount of listening to yourself and shifting and how
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  I shifted, and I just want to give you the solution to one or
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  two, and then I'll go on to three, but one and two, I had to
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  really create a practice of gratitude. And this is something
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  that, you know, you've read a lot about I have, but it's hard
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  to just be grateful if you're not mindful. Because if you're
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  just grateful, like, Oh, I love this, this is great. But it's
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  not really shifting from within, meaning that you really believe
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  that you have the gratitude. So I'm grateful for my bed. I'm
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  grateful for socks, I'm grateful for gas in my tank, or I'm
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  grateful that I have the ability to have a conversation with this
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  person. Like the mindfulness gets you to be able to shift
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  where you focus your energy within and to do to shift that
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  energy. Gratitude was the bridge that got me from fear,
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  negativity, anxiety, to love light appreciation.
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  Alan Carroll: I'm taking my notes just like you did in your
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  mindfulness class.
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  Unknown: So That's really the that's been so instrumental for
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  me that has changed my life in so many ways, because it has
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  given me more positivity on the inside. And then I've had to
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  pair that with what I do on the outside. So what do I watch?
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  What do I read? What do I eat? And that third grouping is what
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  I do on the outside of me, like, what am I doing outside of me.
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  And now, you know, I'm really, really mindful of what I'm
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  watching what I'm reading what I'm eating, even the
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  conversations I'm in with my friends, like, we're all going
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  to have bad days, but I'm not spending 45 minutes talking
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  about it, I've sort of conditioned myself that I can
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  express things that are not going well, and three to four
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  minutes, and then I'm going to move on. Because think we can't
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  work humans, we still have things that happen that we need
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  to express. But I really moved through my day with full
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  appreciation for what I get to experience. And now that I'm
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  mindful, I can live in the present moment, which was never
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  the case before that practice.
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  Alan Carroll: Yep. The idea of the mind, my thoughts, and when
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  I wrote it down, I was realizing that you probably were spelling
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  it mi n d. And I said, that's probably what JJ means. But also
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  I spelled it mi en mi any mind, meaning that you're looking for
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  the gold, because one of the things about thoughts that I
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  noticed is that there are thoughts that build light and
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  love. And there's thoughts that build hatred and separation. So
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  if you can mind your thoughts for the gold, you don't have to
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  spend time with the coal, you can just go for the gold, and
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  you have the power to do that. But you have to be awake, you
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  have to be you have to be in the driver's seat of your thoughts
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  in order to direct the thoughts. And my observation is the ego is
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  not awake. The ego is in a state of a dream state of
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  consciousness. And and so how do you wake up from the dream? But
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  you don't even know you're dreaming? So just for how do you
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  wake up from the dream? But you don't know you're dreaming?
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  Unknown: Well, in my life, I've had really significant guides,
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  people that kind of come into my life at times that kind of
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  pushed me right when I should be going left or I think I want to
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  go left. And that therapist for me was a guide. So I did not
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  know I was in the dream state I did not know I was living in the
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  ego energy. Until Jill, the therapist said you must go to
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  this if you ever want to come back. And so I think for most of
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  us, we have something that happens in our life, that gives
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  us the opportunity to walk through that door. Now I could
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  have left after three classes with my notebook in hand yet but
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  something made me stay. And I think for many of us, we get
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  guides and whispers in times when we are expecting it or not
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  expecting it, they come to us and we get to choose whether or
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  not we want to lean into those.
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  Alan Carroll: I remember a alchemy class at Santa Cruz
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  University in California, taught by a union psychotherapist, and
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  he showed a picture of the alchemical vessel. It looks like
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  a tube and then it's a big fat bottom, like a beaker. And it
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  showed you a bird inside the beaker. And there was water in
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  the beaker was fire underneath the beaker was heating up. And
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  the bird was like a pelican. And the beak was piercing the belly
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  of itself and blood was dripping out of that alchemical vessel
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  the transformation. And the interpretation was that that
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  journey starts with a self inflicted wound. I can tell you
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  JJ you need it. But you know, until you feel the pain, the
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  suffering and acknowledge it you really don't wake up and say I
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  got to do something. And you have shared with us today just
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  wonderful experiences of of of waking up. And what I liked
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  about what you're saying is that you have a very clear way of
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  saying it. Very practical. And my experience of it it resonates
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  to me it's I like the vibration of it the vibration the energy
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  level the The glow of light that that you have, and the way you
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  radiate the light out through your verbal speech through your
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  radiance out into the world. And I know that you get and you use
• 25:13
  a term called lightworkers. So I'd like this to shift a little
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  bit. And I know you have a meeting to go to, and I'm not
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  sure the time it's how much time do we have left? I'm losing my
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  time. Two minutes. Plenty? Plenty me. Okay, good. Good.
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  Thank you very much. Okay, I got to get I get, I get lost in the,
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  in the joy of meeting you that I sort of lose time. And thank
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  god, there's someone with a watch. All right. And so the
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  it's just really a light worker, you what is a light worker? And
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  we'll we'll take it from there.
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  Unknown: Well, as I mentioned before, when you have you have
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  the ability to do this, anybody listening has the ability to do
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  this, some of you might not need to get knocked upside the head
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  like I did, hopefully, you taken on the Whisper well, before it
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  happens. But if you do choose to go down the mindfulness path,
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  and you have the ability to create that space, and then you
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  take it to the next level, where then you get to choose how
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  you're going to move through life, are you going to stay in
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  the fear, anxiety, worry, or are you going to shift the light
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  love. If you choose to shift the light and love that starts from
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  within, you can start to not only illuminate your being
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  because it allows you to really start to not only move into the
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  gratitude space, but work through the stories that harness
• 26:37
  so much negativity. And these could start back, you know, as
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  your 2468, I worked with so many Lightworkers energy
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  practitioners and healers to dig through my vessel, because I
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  wanted to create a vessel that we call the human body, I wanted
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  to illuminate it, I wanted to get out all the dark energy that
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  was maybe buried in a corner or buried from a story from
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  something that happened as a child, I wanted to work through
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  as much of those stories and darkness as I could. So I could
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  be as light as possible for the work that I do with women. And
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  through that work, I was able not only to illuminate myself,
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  but my path of what I should be working on. And now I'm able to
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  help others do the same. And I think for many of us, we all
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  have the ability to illuminate our path forward. But
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  oftentimes, we have to shift out of that negative energy into the
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  light. And it takes very specific steps that any of us
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  can do, which is a lot of what I've included in my third book
• 27:35
  seeking because I find that their ways they're actually
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  perfectly orchestrated for us, as our soul is working through
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  the evolution of being a human and the lessons we're here to
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  learn.
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  Alan Carroll: Let's take a little chapters in that seeking
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  the seeking book. And I imagine it correlates with our
• 27:58
  conversation today. So share with us some of the key points
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  that so is the book absolute let me see the book. All right,
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  seeking very nice. Yeah.
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  Unknown: So seeking is 74 key findings to raise your energy
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  sidestep your self doubt and align with your life's work and
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  the 70 Court key for the 74 key findings are spread out through
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  the book. And what I like to do is just open it up and get to
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  one key finding. So the key finding is number 28. A solo
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  trip, a solo trip can provide the dedicated time for you to
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  explore it inside and out. So solo trip for me was a big deal.
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  Because when I started doing all this work, I realized that I
• 28:49
  could no longer show up in the world. Like I had in the past
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  that I was being pulled outside of my day job to do other work.
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  And I was so uncertain about myself and the whispers I was
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  receiving like you need to write another book and do more work
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  with women, that I was in denial. And so I took a solo
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  trip to Sedona because I felt like it was a place I could meet
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  with many people to help me understand the messages I was
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  receiving.
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  Alan Carroll: Well, let's go to Sedona. What was your experience
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  as a donor like?
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  Unknown: Oh, it was wonderful because it was really the first
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  time as a mother and as a wife that I traveled by myself for
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  pleasure, like I never did that once. I didn't get married till
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  I was 30. And I traveled all the time by myself. But then once I
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  had kids and a husband, I just felt guilty all the time. So I
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  never did it. And for me this yearning to understand who I was
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  and why I'm on the planet brought me to Sedona and I met
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  with some amazing energy practitioners. But I it's
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  Typically worked with an angel reader for five hours. And she
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  told me that my work was going to have a lot to do with
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  bringing people closer to God, which at the time I denied
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  because I was working in corporate America, and I
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  couldn't even think the word guide, let alone, talk about it
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  or say something. But now it's been a decade. And I feel like a
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  lot of the work that I do now is to remember, remind people that
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  they are a part of that and that we all have like from the
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  universe within us, that is here to connect, and guide and share
• 30:33
  love.
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  Alan Carroll: Absolutely. So lightworker is if I understand
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  this, though, I was listening to Alan Cohen. And it
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  last weekend, I did the Sisters of Angel seminar in Sedona. And
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  so for you talking about Sedona has a deep feeling inside of me.
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  And transformation, Sedona if there's something there, that
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  you're in the mindfulness business, just go there and hang
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  out for a while. anywhere, anywhere you want to hang out,
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  of course, the vibration is different. What did you notice
• 31:37
  about the vibrations in Sedona
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  Unknown: and I'm just visualizing the Red Rock and
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  just the quietness at times, there's just the quietness is
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  what I really remember. It's just and then if you get into
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  the town or meet with different Lightworkers I mean, everyone's
• 31:56
  vibrating at a higher level, they've done the internal work.
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  And so the whole energy of the place, in fact, some of the
• 32:03
  light workers and energy practitioners can even live
• 32:05
  there because the energy is so intense. But I would say to your
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  point, you know, it is worth just hanging out there.
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  Alan Carroll: Yeah, I absolutely, absolutely. Well,
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  I'm, I'm full of your love. And it was a pleasure and a joy. To
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  have the opportunity to experience the experience that
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  JJ is like, very, very sweet. And I'll be I'll definitely will
• 32:35
  will purchase the book and I cuz it's it's exactly where you are.
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  In any any way we can help folks to support folks to, to be able
• 32:47
  to be calm to observe the thoughts that you see and not be
• 32:51
  seduced by the thoughts and be able to smile and laugh and wave
• 32:57
  in all like I did a I had a Buddhist monk, he said, bless
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  all the thoughts and let them go. Bless them all. Just let
• 33:08
  them go. And that sort of frees you have there's a fluidity to
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  that rather than sticking, sticking, sticking, no fluidity
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  fluidity, fluidity. And to me spaces, fluidity and error
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  rates, the soil, in error rates, the being error rates that
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  allows it allows a on openings, little holes opening up into the
• 33:29
  fabric of your ego, and its flow goes this way. And then you
• 33:35
  realize, hey, the flow goes this way. And so you can go both
• 33:39
  ways. And so I just want to thank you very much. You were
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  really a a wonderful delight to have an opportunity to
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  experience you.
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  Unknown: I really appreciate this discussion, and I look
• 33:52
  forward to more. So thank you, Alan.
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  Alan Carroll: Bless you. Have a wonderful day JJ. You too. Bye
• 33:57
  bye for now.