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The Lunch Discussion: Rising Through the Lens: Maisie Green’s Matchday Journey · The Discussion Podcast

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This is the late late lunch show with rod maxwell supported by,
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childbed learning in nature's playground so on the line today i'm absolutely
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delighted to be speaking with maisie green who is the ultra game fc official
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match day photographer somebody who's studying photography at college at the
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moment and hoping to go out into the big professional world of photography. Maisie, how are you?
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I'm good, thanks. How are you? I'm very well. I'm very well.
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So, you and photography, let's just start with that.
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When do you remember the first time you picked up a camera or you got interested in it?
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I'd say properly when I first started getting into it. I thought,
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this is something I want to do. It must have been like,
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five six years ago i grew up watching my uncle
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adam who did work for future wrestling do videography
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and photography i saw him do his work every single week
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and i saw how great and how good his work was and all the joy that it brought
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him and the people around him so i definitely looked up to him a lot growing
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up and i knew that as soon as i started enjoying my football a bit more and
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i started watching football home and away with my dad's sporting united i knew
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that this is an industry that I could properly get myself into.
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And it's something I could properly enjoy. And was it specifically sports photography
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that you were interested in or were you more just generally interested in the
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whole genre, if you like?
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I like a mix of different genres, but with my love for sport from a very young
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age, I always knew that I wanted to do something within the sport industry growing up.
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So I thought, why not combine the two and see where it takes me?
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Right and and can you remember what was the first camera you picked up and used in anger if you like.
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Um say it was like a very old sony
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i think it was like i'm not even sure it
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was that old it was a part of the size of my thumb like it was absolutely tiny
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so it seems to have progressed a little bit further and and i'm always interested
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was there a history of your family being into photography or Or was this something
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that was very left field?
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From what I know, it was just my Uncle Adam who did media sort of stuff, especially in sports.
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I'm not really sure anyone else actually had that much of an interest in it other than him.
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And I guess, were you encouraged at school to get into this?
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Or was it very much you were sort of swimming against the tide a little bit?
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I'd say I was swimming against the tide a bit because from, I think I was in
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year eight, I became home educated.
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So I started prepping for my GCSE straight away.
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And then alongside of it, I knew there was a lot of area and a lot of time which I could fill.
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And I wanted to find something that could keep me going. I could start a career
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early on to help me progress a bit more to where I'm now in college,
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where I can just keep picking off where I left off instead of having to start something new.
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Well we'll talk to you today about how that
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what does journey's like to becoming a professional photographer because
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you've made major steps and and doing
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working with Ultrigan FC how important that is to you we'll talk about the difference
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between sort of sports or football photography and other types as well and we
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might talk a little bit about Manchester United today I'm speaking to Maisie
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Green she is the official match day photographer at Ultrigan FC somebody who
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is studying photography and we'll be back with her in a couple of minutes time,
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You're listening to The Late Late Lunch Show.
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So, Maisie, who helped you work out how you get into photography?
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You know, so when you decided at school that you wanted to do that,
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how did you know what GCSEs to take or what sort of college to go to to actually
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explore and becoming very serious and professional in photography.
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So it was a bit of a, I'll say a bit of a unique road we went down.
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My parents were very supportive of me from a very young age, and they still are now.
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I didn't really know what GCSEs to take. Like, I never took photography GCSE, believe it or not.
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I took my maths and my English, because that's all that was required for me being home ed. Right.
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So alongside of that, my granddad's always encouraging me and my sister to get
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in contact with people, show an interest, show up, and try and step our feet into an industry.
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So I didn't ask for any help. I didn't really take any help from anyone.
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I kind of started contacting local football clubs from a very young age,
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I think, about three, four years ago.
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And that's where I started off at Williamsport AFC.
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And I met their official club photographer, Glenn, and he helped me start off.
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He taught me a couple of things I didn't already know, like the basics of photography.
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And then from there, I got in contact with Ultingham and I just took it from there, basically.
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And it's it's photography is art
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it's communication it's many things wrapped up
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into to one and it you know
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you also have to create a brand for yourself and do
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you have you developed a specific style of you know photography whether it be
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in football or sports generally or in other types is there something that you
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always look for in a football photograph if you like i like keeping it to straight
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action shots so half my shots I probably see in mid-air or.
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Focusing on detail or going into the ball I just think it brings more character
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you could do a lot more with it and it tells a story I don't like.
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I don't like photographs where plays are stood still. I like them to tell a
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bit of character and carry the story and show basically what's on the pitch.
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Because not a lot of people watch football nowadays, especially not women's
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football, unfortunately.
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And that's still something that's breaking through this day.
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So I like my work to tell a story so anyone who doesn't watch women's football,
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especially, can kind of see the excitement through the lens and see that it's
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built to the same standard as men's football.
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And when you're working a match, have you considered, I guess you consider up
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front where you might want to stand or do you have a particular area that you do like to stand?
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Do you have an idea of a particular player that might be actually,
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it could be the opposition, could be a home player, but a player that might
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be photogenic, if you like, or are you looking for certain scenarios?
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How does it work or is it very much off the cuff, very much reactionary?
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So on the day, I take a couple of factors into consideration.
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Sometimes it's a lighting.
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So it could be like which way the sun hits a player or the wind,
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like which could be affected.
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Or usually my go-to place, which is never let me down, is always behind the
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goal to the left or to the right, usually where the players celebrate.
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It gives the players something to look for when they want to celebrate because
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working with younger generation of upcoming footballers,
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everyone knows they like to celebrate a bit more and they like to keep a bit
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of memento so I always try and stay local to the back end of the pitch.
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It's very rare that I stick to mid pitch just because you can't really get a proper dynamic shot.
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I like to carry the full length of the pitch rather than.
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Background. And I guess therefore a bit of a relationship with the players that
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you know them they know you, they almost know to look for you a little bit, that helps does it?
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Oh 100% I'm lucky to have worked with such a great bunch of season at Ulster
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and Gov from the elite under 18 to the first team, they've all been amazing.
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When I do Tuesday training sessions with them we can always have a bit of a laugh and a giggle.
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I'm lucky enough to say I've made friends with most of them on a personal level as well.
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We do a thing on match days called bench cam and a muggy folder.
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So any funny photo of the capture of them on a match day, you go on in a folder
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and that's when the girls can then see all the funny faces and applause throughout
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the year and have a bit of a laugh and a giggle.
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And then bench cams where I bring a spare camera with me and the girls can kind
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of like get themselves involved a little bit of what I do and see my perspective of my job.
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And they can kind of take it in turns, take random photos of each other.
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And it just gets the players involved as well. which I think is really important.
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I don't like to be one of them photographers that turn up, takes photos of the
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girls and just runs off at the end.
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I like to make myself known and try and get to know the girls as well.
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I don't like to be a stranger that makes you feel uncomfortable to be around.
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We're talking to Maisie Green, the official matchday photographer at Alteringham
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Football Club. We're talking about photography, talking about it as an art form.
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When I come back, I want to talk to Maisie about the relationship with the club
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and how much Alteringham have supported her and actually just the whole speed
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at which photography now works. We'll take a break. Be back with her next.
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Macy, we were talking there about how you have to have a relationship with the players.
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You've got to know them. They've got to know you. And that takes a bit of investment.
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That means, I guess, you're down at the training pitches and also with the women's team as well.
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Within the club, I mean, do they talk to you about what they're looking for
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if they have maybe a project or an idea, a campaign they're doing?
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Do you talk to the people within the club about that? To a degree.
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Sometimes, if I can help out wherever I can, I'll always offer my help.
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I'm always willing to help out any staff that needs anything doing or any players
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that need anything doing for themselves.
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It all depends on what vision they have in mind and how I can bring my skills
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and my expertise to the table.
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And if there's someone better suited for a certain shot or a certain project,
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I'll always put them forward first.
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It's literally anything to get the job done because everything moves such a
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fast pace. You don't want to stand on anyone's toes.
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And since the club has gone professional full-time, has the demands of media
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and digital media increased because fans want more access? They want to see more of what's going on.
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Has that changed the amount of time, investment, and the sheer quantity of work that you have to do?
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100% 100% I'd say across
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between me and Ben Edwards the other member
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of staff who always co-manage socials with me we spend
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a lot of I'll say about two to three hours a week minimum just
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scheduling content sorting out spreadsheets and
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planning out what content we want to provide for the week ahead
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and then alone on match days it takes
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a good couple hours to edit the photos get them all
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ready for the girls to see get ready for the parents to see because I
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create a match link so the parents and players
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can have first access and it basically
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just you have to be able to communicate to everyone around
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you to make sure what needs to get done if there's any
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promotion that need doing any deadlines that we
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need to meet and basically just see what is coming
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up the week before and try and best suit what we do this week
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to match the next week coming up so we're on top
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of everything and and i i
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would imagine now that with digital technology things
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almost it's more connected you
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know back in back in the day of film somebody was taking some
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photographs hoped that they caught the right stuff gone back developed them
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seen them gone back to somebody and said right we're going to use these but
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but it wasn't as flexible are you finding now that it has changed the digital
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aspect of photography has changed the whole creative process for photographers.
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100% 100% because in a way you
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can reflect back on what you could do better as you're doing it
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for example on a match day I bring my card reader which I can luckily attach
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to my phone so I can burn off a couple photos as I go I can see what is hitting
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the lens right what isn't hitting the lens right and I can make adjustments
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on the spot rather than realizing oh maybe I should have done this maybe I should
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have done that when I'm at home editing the photos.
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The way technology is moving, it helps a lot because it just basically keeps
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you on top of the workload rather than having to try and correct your errors later on.
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And as much as technology does help, and I guess digital means that you can
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try, repeat, rinse and repeat type thing, delete, whatever.
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The fact is, though, football happens in the moment, whereas if you were photographing
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a person, you would be able to say to them, could you stand still,
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could you do this again? In football, there's no second chances.
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Does that put added pressure? I mean do you love that pressure or has there
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been a moment where you've missed something or a moment that you've captured
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something and that's just been like a major day,
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Honestly your heart just thinks as soon as you see something happen,
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and I could be in the middle of transferring photos I could be in the rain I
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could be cleaning the lens I could be doing anything and there'll be a sudden
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moment and my heart will sink and when the girls will come up to me after the
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match or at half time they'll say please tell me you've got a lot and I'm like
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yeah I definitely got it and then it's,
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When you ask me later on, I just avoid the question at all costs.
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I feel awful. It's like I have one drop and I miss it.
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But as soon as I'm coming up from the halfway line, everything's down,
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SE card back in the camera, and I'm ready to go. I've learnt my mistakes.
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I'm never letting it happen again.
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And is there a shot or a moment that you've captured that you're most proud of?
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I think for Altingham, it has to be their elite under-18s.
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It was their home match versus Stockport County under-18s where they secured
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second place in the league and the girls celebrated like there was no tomorrow.
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I've never seen a group come together that much and do that many different celebrations
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within about 20 to 30 seconds.
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I feel like you can see the connection between the girls. You can see how close
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you are as a friend group or as a team.
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I think that's something that Old Tingle has definitely done well with this
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season. They've built a whole new under-18s team or they've made an under-18 squad.
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And to get such a tight-knit group of girls and to go as far and make history
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again this year, it's been unbelievable.
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Both sides have been able to start something new. Everyone's new.
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Everyone's still getting used to different playing styles and that.
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And each squad's made history in their own different way.
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And I feel like it just sets them apart for many of us, of course.
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And Ultragam's improvements and progress in the women's game has been almost
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spectacular. They've really put some effort behind it, haven't they?
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A hundred percent. the work behind the scenes has been amazing to watch and
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I feel like it's only going to get better going on forward.
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Yeah it's quite incredible quite incredible we'll take a break and we'll be
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back with Maisie Green she's the match day photographer at Ultringham FC currently
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now in college and will be finishing you've still got a couple years to go Maisie,
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yeah I've got two years after this one but I'm enjoying it so that all matters
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alright well we'll talk a little bit about that journey next we'll take a break
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and we'll be back with Maisie in a couple of minutes,
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you're listening to the late late lunch show with back
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to the garden childcare where little explorers grow
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naturally so you you obviously
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had a passion for this but but taking
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a passion for any sort of art form or anything
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anything really and and making it making it
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what you want to do professionally is is a big leap was
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that was there any doubt in your head that you you
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you didn't want to you wouldn't want to take for
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talk free into further education and get yourself
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on that professional path 100 and i'm
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not gonna lie there's still moments i still feel like today it all it all starts
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with you listen to people around you and there's never always moments or never
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always times that people are going to back you 100 and i feel like it's literally
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just trusting your own instinct in a way and going forward and doing what you
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want to do you've got if you don't believe in yourself,
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you can't expect to believe in yourself in a way. So I feel like,
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At a moment, I did feel like, what if this doesn't work out?
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It's very rare you see female photographers make it to this stage, especially only at 17.
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So you kind of got to write your own story and just see where it takes you.
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I do find, Maisie, that people who are in the artistic world,
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in artistic industries, you have to be more than just the artist.
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You have to be a business person. You have to be the social media person.
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You have to be able to link well with people, build relationships.
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There's a whole portfolio of skills that supports your ability to be a photographer.
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Is that something you've been conscious of and you've been working on?
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And if you have, what's been the area you've been most sort of focused on?
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It's definitely something that I've had to get better at over the years.
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I'd definitely say communication because when I get overwhelmed or when I'm
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in a new environment, I can be the quietest person in the room because it tends
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to be the same issue that everyone's older than me.
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That makes me have to stand out a bit more than the rest to make myself seen
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and heard, especially with it being such a male-dominated industry.
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I'm quite lucky for the fact that my college helps support that quite a lot.
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We have a personal development teacher who's amazing and she
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teaches us how to act and how to progress in
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the professional industry that we all want to go into going on and just
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kind of teach us the way early on because progress going on and so you you're
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feeling supported whether it be within the club or whether either be the college
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you're at you're feeling supported to to make that step and take that journey
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into professional photography 100 that's good that's good.
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I do think that we, as a country now, we do appreciate that there are lots of
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different career paths.
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It's not just the obvious ones and actually there's a, you must enjoy taking photographs.
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Is there real enjoyment about what you do or sometimes is the pressure almost
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take the enjoyment out, Maisie?
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You just kind of have to embrace it and sometimes as soon as the game kicks
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off you just kind of have got to embrace the pressure and just think it's another match day.
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I just got to think it's another opportunity to make your mark.
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But I do enjoy what I do and seeing everyone's happiness come from it and all
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the girls grateful for the photos and they see how much work I put behind the scenes.
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It all, even though you lose a couple hours sleep a week and a couple hours
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sleep a night and everything you're having, it's all worth it in the end.
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You just got to think ahead.
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And as much as when you're down at the training ground watching the players,
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and obviously they're training for their next match, do you feel that you're
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also training in terms of trying different shots out or you're just sharpening
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your skills yourself in that sort of environment.
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Yeah, 100% because we're lucky enough to have such a big group of players.
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He gets some of the under-18s playing against the first team.
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He gets some of the juniors playing with the elite under-18s from the community
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aspect of the club. So it's like.
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You get to work with a whole different type of speed and height,
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which is very difficult to distinguish between.
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So you're literally just sorting out lighting issues. And it's definitely harder
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in the evenings when shooting at night is not always the easiest.
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So you're learning as you go. And you've got to take every opportunity. It comes basically.
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You've got to think, yes, it may be cold. Yes, it may be a different sort of environment.
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But you've just got to figure out stuff ahead. And it's another opportunity
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to sharpen your skills, as you said.
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And, you know, as you say, you have to consider the weather.
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You have to work on all sorts of weather.
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But you can't, I mean, I imagine a rainy night under a floodlit pitch that can
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create an atmosphere in a photograph that you can't get on a bright sunny day
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in May when they're playing at three o'clock.
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100%. It's awful getting soaked, I can tell you that. But the end products and
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the photos, they are literally flooded.
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I thought somebody was saying that any rainy day photos, especially at night,
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it just creates a different type of euphoria.
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Well, look, I've got to take a break and come back and talk to you about a bit of technology,
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and what are you using, what are you shooting with and if there's anybody out
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there thinking and pursuing a career in this, what guidance could you give?
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Today we're talking to Maisie Green. She's a photographer.
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She's a matchday photographer at Aldrich MFC, somebody who's studying photography
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at a further college. We'll maybe come on to that as well.
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Delighted to be speaking to her. it's fascinating actually and we'll be back
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with her in a couple minutes time This is the Late Late Lunch Show with Rod Maxwell on Radio Alty.
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Maisie, cameras have changed massively. I mean, the digital revolution,
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if you like, has meant that everybody in their pocket can take a photograph,
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within a second's notice with their mobile phone.
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What do you shoot with? Do you shoot with a digital SLR-type camera,
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or do you have a range of different cameras that you use?
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I distinguish between two different cameras for trading photos.
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I stick to my mirrorless Nikon D5000 with a Tamron 70-300, I believe.
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And then for my usual match day photos I stick with a traditional DSLR Nikon
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D3 with a 80-200 Are those both digital or do you use film at all?
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Both digital. And do people use film in that type of situation anymore?
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I've not experienced anyone use it like next to me but I've seen it all in social
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media that's coming back into fashion a little bit as I'd say and the difference
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between the two is unbelievable,
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it just shows how far it's come over the years
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in terms of digital how far digital has come yeah
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it's literally it's night and day they both
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carry a different message and that's what i think like sets
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them apart from each other they're both amazing all right and
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then and i mean are you somebody who does a bit of if you like artistic editing
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of a photograph or do you like it in its raw form oh i definitely edit my photos
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quite heavily it depends it depends what sort of message i want to send to the
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viewer sometimes when pitch side at WSL fixture or,
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shooting an old Tringham game as you said it all depends what the club actually
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wants and sometimes what the player wants as well.
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Sometimes I do different versions of one photo just so it pleases everyone.
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And then maybe at a later date, I'll whack it into Photoshop and I'll see what
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other effects I can bring to the table with it.
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But on the spot, I typically just do like a light editing just so the club's happy and can put it out.
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Nothing too drastic. And then maybe at a later date, the players,
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per player request as well, I'll maybe change it up and put a bit of effects in Photoshop.
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And do you have a particular favourite
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style, whether it be an angle or whether it be the context of it.
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Is there a type of photograph that you are developing and getting known for
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or are you still exploring that? And is that even a thing in photography?
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It definitely isn't a thing. I think it all depends on what you want to create
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with from the photo and what message you want to bring from a certain shot.
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I feel like at the minute, I like getting a couple stationary photos,
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like during warm-ups or mid-game, which I can then add motion blur onto.
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So it kind of shows the trail or maybe a celebration after an important goal.
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Because with celebrations, the opportunities are endless. So you can literally
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do whatever to make it look good.
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And that's something like that. i don't think anyone can say no to a celebration
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photo yeah and and do you have
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you ever done something where you've almost created a
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whole new picture based on an initial
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photograph you know you can i don't know layer things in
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there you can make it look almost like a piece of art like a picture and a painting
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rather than a picture have you ever done anything like that or is that even
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a thing in photography yes i've tried to do a bit of double exposure so you
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take multiple photos as you said and you try and combine it into one and it
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sort of makes like a graphic or like a graphic poster in a sense,
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that's something I'm still experimenting with currently my
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skills are a bit dusty but we'll get the
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compost on eventually right well look I want to come
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back and talk about football we'll talk about Ultringham and I want
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to talk about Manchester United as well and football generally before we go
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I can speak all day to me as a year we're talking about photography we're talking
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about football we're talking about art and also actually talking about you being
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a business in your own right Maisie do you feel like that that you're managing
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your own brand you're almost managing your own business.
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Sort of. It depends because I've only just started getting official bookings
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through over the past couple of months.
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But seeing the emails come through and seeing people actually want to work for
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me, it's an unreal feeling.
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But you've got to take it as you're still a child legally.
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You've got to focus on college. You've got to make sure you're not going to
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take advantage of it. Make sure it's legit. Make sure I'm safe doing what I'm doing as well.
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And take all the different things into consideration. That's a very, very good point.
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Well, then we'll take a break and be back with Maisie Green,
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the photographer at Aldricham FC.
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And we'll be back with her in a couple of minutes' time.
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This is the Late Late Lunch Show with Rod Maxwell on Radio Alty. Radio Alty.
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Maisie, let's talk football for a minute. And you're a United fan.
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Do you ever take any photographs of United, whether it just be from the terraces or anything like that?
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Yeah, I've been lucky enough to be pitch-eyed for Manchester United women and
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the academy over the past couple of months, on and off.
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So hopefully going into next season, I'll get more opportunities like that.
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But it's an unreal feeling being a fellow Red.
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All right. And remind me, they play their games. Where do the women play their
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games? The train now at Carrington, don't they?
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Yeah, they've seen train at Carrington in their own new complex they've built,
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I think, about in December time. Right.
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And then they play at the Progressive Unity Stadium, which is also formerly
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known as Lee Sports Village.
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Yes, yes, indeed. I mean, I really would love to see the day where if we build
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this new stadium, that maybe the current Old Trafford can be made into like a B stadium.
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And I don't know if this... And actually, you know, whether it be reserves or
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junior matches or the women's team can play there and we have a football campus at Old Trafford,
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100% I feel like unfortunately I have to compare but I feel like that's what
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Man City have done amazingly for their team they've provided a campus provided
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a stage for the youth team it's directly opposite the ground it's accessible.
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It's stunning I've been there a couple of times you know I need to set the game
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up but well I know And funny enough, as I was saying that question,
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I was thinking, yeah, that's exactly what they have done.
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And they've made miraculous progress, partly because of the way they're set up the money, etc.
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But it's been a frustrating few years for United, but it seems to be getting better, doesn't it?
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Yeah, I wonder about that. In Carrick, we trust. I was going to ask you that
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because are you for Carrick? Yeah.
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I'm so undecided I feel like he's been absolutely amazing,
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for how far he's come and what he's been able to do with the team I feel like
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he's been left with a whole new campus and a whole new load of puzzle pieces
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trying to connect and he's done just that he's got his backing to European football,
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however you've got to ask can he get you any further than what he already has
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and will he get the backing that he needs to go forward because we're going
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to lose a lot of players this season I often think it's a bit like the Prime
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Minister situation at the moment, isn't it?
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You know, we don't know what we believe. Well, look, I can't take up any more
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of your time. You're a busy woman.
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And I want to just ask you, though, is there anybody in the football world that
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you would like to be able to sit down and do a photography session with?
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Like a co-op? Or learn a couple of things? No, like a portrait session,
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you know, like bring somebody into the studio.
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Or do a project with them where you're photographing them, training or whatever.
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Is there anybody, whether it be a coach, a manager, a player,
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past, present, whatever, that you would love to, or maybe your top three?
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Or I feel like from Man United Women, I have to go for Melvin Mallard.
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I feel like the energy would be immaculate.
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Or I feel like youth-wise, for United I'll go for Shea Lacy just because he's
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an upcoming star or maybe JJ Gabriel yes and I feel like they've still got some
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of that youth in them that like we can,
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bring that to the table rather than actually having to act,
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professional I'd say he's my third,
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and I'm not sure you know what just for giggles I'll go for Stark Ferguson yeah,
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I would like to see him model that would be amazing,
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I also think with somebody like him you're almost capturing the aura, aren't you? Yeah.
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It's different It is It is totally different Well look If anybody wants to follow
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you Anybody wants to look at
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your work Anybody wants to book you for some work Where should they go to?
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I'm on Instagram and Facebook at Shop by Maisie Shop by Maisie is your brand
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name That's who you go to Shop by Maisie is your email as well So Shop by Maisie
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Maisie Green The Manchester State photographer at Aldering MFC it's been fantastic
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to speak to you you'll be back and getting ready for the,
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you'll be busy all the way through the summer I imagine,
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yeah a lot of plans ahead,
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the work doesn't stop unfortunately it's straight away soon to the end,
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it's straight into pre-season,
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well good luck it's been wonderful speaking to you, thanks for your time and
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we'll hopefully catch up with you mid-season yeah thank you for having me,
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it's been great cheers, bye bye,
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this is the late late lunch show with back to the garden childcare where little
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explorers grow naturally.