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The Indictment Of Donald Trump and What It Means Moving Forward · The Ben Ferguson Podcast

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Speaker 1: There are a lot of you that have had a
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Speaker 1: lot of questions that you have been asking about the
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Speaker 1: indictment of Donald Trump and what it means moving forward.
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Speaker 1: The Justice Department prosecutors we know have brought thirty seven
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Speaker 1: felony counts against Donald Trump in this indictment, relying upon
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Speaker 1: photographs from mar Lago, surveillance, video, text messages between staffers,
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Speaker 1: Trump's own words, those of his lawyers, and quote other evidence.
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Speaker 1: I want to talk about these charges, but first I
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Speaker 1: want to answer one of the big questions that you
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Speaker 1: one of the main questions that's been asked to me,
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Speaker 1: is is it possible that Donald Trump could actually be
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Speaker 1: in a jury trial as a defendant while running for president.
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Speaker 1: The answer is absolutely yes, one thousand percent yes. It
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Speaker 1: is incredible the possibilities. It's shocking. So I'm going to
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Speaker 1: walk through those. This prosecutor has said and said in
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Speaker 1: his press conference that he wanted there to be a
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Speaker 1: speedy and he was requesting a speedy trial. Let me
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Speaker 1: explain to you why I believe they want it. They
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Speaker 1: want that speedy trial because they want Donald Trump to
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Speaker 1: be in a courtroom and they want it to be
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Speaker 1: on TV. And they want the president of United States
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Speaker 1: of America to look like he is having to protect himself,
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Speaker 1: that he is a defendant, that he is a criminal,
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Speaker 1: and they want to take him off the election campaign cycle. Now,
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Speaker 1: I want you to think about how big of an
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Speaker 1: advantage it would be for his opponent, Joe Biden, if
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Speaker 1: he's not out there campaigning. Very much like COVID sideline
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Speaker 1: sideline Donald Trump. Remember, COVID cut down the number of
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Speaker 1: debates and also changed the way that he was able
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Speaker 1: to run for president. COVID cut the knees out of
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Speaker 1: the most important thing that Donald Trump has. That is
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Speaker 1: him on a stage with his supporters flying around on
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Speaker 1: Trump One. That's what he's doing right now. And what
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Speaker 1: I think this indictment is all about is trying to
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Speaker 1: hurry up to a trial, and if you can hurry
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Speaker 1: up and get to that trial, it would be like
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Speaker 1: oj Simpson, no doubt about it. The trial would actually
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Speaker 1: not deal with a campaign, right because the indictment has
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Speaker 1: nothing to do with that. So it would be very
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Speaker 1: tough at the same time for the President of the
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Speaker 1: United States of America Foreign Presidentald Trump to be campaigning
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Speaker 1: because that's not what it would be about. That would
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Speaker 1: be a massive advantage for Joe Biden. I also think
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Speaker 1: anytime someone's in a trial, it doesn't put them in
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Speaker 1: the best light, right because they're being accused by the government,
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Speaker 1: and there is audio and video that will come out
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Speaker 1: of that entire scenario that is not going to make
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Speaker 1: Donald Trump look good. It's going to be a campaign
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Speaker 1: donation in essence from the Justice Department to the Joe
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Speaker 1: Biden campaign. Joe Biden would also have a huge advantage
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Speaker 1: while he is doing his limited campaigning. He can talk
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Speaker 1: about how Donald Trump, my opponent today is still stuck
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Speaker 1: in court dot dot dot, my opponent who's on you know,
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Speaker 1: right now, on trial for dot dot dot. These are
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Speaker 1: the things that are going to be said. These are
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Speaker 1: the things that are going to be talked about on
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Speaker 1: the campaign trail. That is going to be much tougher
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Speaker 1: for Donald Trump to overcome that if this is how
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Speaker 1: it plays out. Now, if you also look at what
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Speaker 1: this means for a primary, I think it changes the
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Speaker 1: primary race. In fact, I actually think that it hurts
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Speaker 1: every other cant but Donald Trump in the primaries because
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Speaker 1: it's very tough to get people to rally behind you,
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Speaker 1: rally around you. When people are looking at the persecution
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Speaker 1: and the prosecution of Donald Trump, there's a new pullout.
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Speaker 1: Eighty percent of likely GOP voters saint Trump should still
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Speaker 1: be able to be president if convicted, and he would
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Speaker 1: be by the way, he would still be eligible. That's
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Speaker 1: what the law says. In fact, you can be president
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Speaker 1: technically from jail. That is one of the reasons why
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Speaker 1: I think this is bad news for every other Republican running. Now,
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Speaker 1: let's dive into these counts so that you also understand
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Speaker 1: what he's been charged with. There's thirty one counts of
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Speaker 1: willful retention of national defense information under the Espionage Act.
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Speaker 1: That's the majority of the counts that are against Donald J.
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Speaker 2: Trump.
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Speaker 1: Each count pertains to a specific classified document found at
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Speaker 1: mar Lago Mark's secret.
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Speaker 2: Or top secret.
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Speaker 1: That's the case in essence, same type of documents, by
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Speaker 1: the way, that were being held by the Vice President
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Speaker 1: Mike Pence, who's running. Remember, he found classified documents in
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Speaker 1: his possession, but they didn't charge him with crimes because
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Speaker 1: he was quote working with them. They said Joe Biden
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Speaker 1: had classified documents dating back to his time in the Senate.
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Speaker 1: That's thirty years ago to forty years ago. Now there's
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Speaker 1: a special prosecutor involved in that, to be clear, But
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Speaker 1: what I can tell you is it's also very clear
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Speaker 1: that they are not worried about being indicted. They are
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Speaker 1: claiming they are quote cooperating and giving back the documents,
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Speaker 1: so everything should be fine for them. Is there a
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Speaker 1: double standard, No doubt about it. That'll be part of
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Speaker 1: the defense that Donald Trump uses that just so you know.
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Speaker 1: Other charges against Donald Trump include conspiracy to obstruct, corruptly
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Speaker 1: concealing a document or record, concealing a document and a
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Speaker 1: federal investigation, and making false statements.
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Speaker 2: Now Trump isn't the only one being charged.
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Speaker 1: Just so you know, this has also not been covered
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Speaker 1: by the media, and I think it's important that you
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Speaker 1: hear this and understand it.
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Speaker 2: An aid to Donald Trump. Walt not A was.
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Speaker 1: Charged as a co conspirator with six felony counts six
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Speaker 1: different counts against him.
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Speaker 2: The media has not been talking about that.
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Speaker 1: Now for the classified documents that lead to the quote
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Speaker 1: will for retention counts. Topics addressed in the documents the
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Speaker 1: DOJ is now released in this indictment include details they
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Speaker 1: say about US nuclear weapons, the nuclear capabilities of a
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Speaker 1: foreign country, and the military activities or capabilities of other
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Speaker 1: countries they said. The conspiracy charges deal with Trump's alleged
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Speaker 1: attempts to hide documents they claim from his lawyer or
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Speaker 1: from federal investigators.
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Speaker 2: Is the claim.
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Speaker 1: The false statement charges stem from Trump causing his lawyer
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Speaker 1: to tell the FBI that no more classified documents were
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Speaker 1: at mar Lago, but then the FBI later found out
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Speaker 1: that there were more than one hundred documents during that
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Speaker 1: August twenty two raid. Accused of sharing classify information. The
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Speaker 1: indictment alleges that Trump showed classified documents to people who
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Speaker 1: didn't have security clearance on two different occasions. The most
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Speaker 1: serious charges carry potential prison sentences of up to twenty
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Speaker 1: years each. Judges have discretion and if convicted, first time
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Speaker 1: offenders rarely get anywhere near the max sentence. Being a
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Speaker 1: former president would also likely be a major consideration in
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Speaker 1: any sentencing, as it should, because this is going to
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Speaker 1: divide the country like never before. I just have to
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Speaker 1: step back, and I got to think about this idea
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Speaker 1: of an OJ Simpson trial, except it's Donald Trump. Donald
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Speaker 1: Trump on trial, sitting there to desk day after day.
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Speaker 1: This trial could take weeks or months, maybe even longer.
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Speaker 1: I mean it really could. It could take an incredible
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Speaker 1: amount of time to figure this out.
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Speaker 2: It is shocking when you think.
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Speaker 1: About it, truly truly shocking to think about the idea
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Speaker 1: of a former president and that's it's in America, sitting
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Speaker 1: there on trial and us watching it live.
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Speaker 2: That's not normal. But this is what Democrats want.
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Speaker 1: They want to weaken him, but they also think it
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Speaker 1: may actually help him win the primary. Now, let me
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Speaker 1: explain to you the primary aspect of this, because this
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Speaker 1: is important that you understand it. The thinking in the
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Speaker 1: Democratic Party is that Donald Trump is the best candidate
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Speaker 1: to go up against in the general election. Why do
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Speaker 1: they believe that they hate They say, hey, we already
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Speaker 1: beat him once. He's undisciplined, he's a erratic. You can't
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Speaker 1: keep him on focus, and Joe Biden beat him once,
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Speaker 1: he can beat him again.
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Speaker 2: That's their thinking.
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Speaker 1: They believe that he'll he can't get out of his
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Speaker 1: own way, he won't listen to his advisors, he won't
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Speaker 1: pay attention to the subject matter, and he'll make everything
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Speaker 1: personal and they can get him off track, and that's
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Speaker 1: how they'll beat him.
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Speaker 2: That's what they believe.
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Speaker 1: And they believe that there's a very good chance that
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Speaker 1: they will be able to win again if he is
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Speaker 1: the candid they're up against. Now. They are more worried
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Speaker 1: about other Republicans than the primaries because they believe that
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Speaker 1: they might be more palatable to the country in a
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Speaker 1: general election.
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Speaker 2: So Democrats don't mind if.
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Speaker 1: This solidifies the base, because this is who they want
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Speaker 1: to run against. They want Donald Trump to be the nominatee.
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Speaker 1: Whether they're thinking is right or wrong is I don't
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Speaker 1: care about the moment. I'm just wanting you to understand
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Speaker 1: the democratic mentality. They're loving this idea. I mean, they
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Speaker 1: are loving the idea of Donald Trump being indicted, being
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Speaker 1: in a trial, and the Republican Party rallying behind him.
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Speaker 2: They love this idea.
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Speaker 1: Now you go back to the if any of these
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Speaker 1: charges stick, and this is going to play out in
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Speaker 1: a courtroom in Florida. Just so you know, the most
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Speaker 1: serious charges carry potential prison senses of up to twenty
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Speaker 1: years each. Judges have discretion, and I can first time
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Speaker 1: offenders usually don't get that, but they could. But if
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Speaker 1: you take into account Donald Trump's age here, this would
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Speaker 1: in essence be a life sentence. Trump's court appearances will
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Speaker 1: become national news, international news.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 1: Trump has also made his first public statement following the indictment.
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Speaker 1: He was in Columbus, Georgia. He was very clear there
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Speaker 1: that this is nothing more than a witch hunt, the
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Speaker 1: same witch hunts he's dealt with before, in fact, the
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Speaker 1: same thing that they've been harassing him since the day.
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Speaker 1: As he describes, he came down the staircase right at
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Speaker 1: Trump Tower. I want you to hear what Donald Trump
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Speaker 1: said about the bias in the media and also the
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Speaker 1: bias of the DOJ and the Democratic Party.
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Speaker 3: He'll continue to watch this.
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Speaker 4: Yesterday in Columbus, every time I fly over a blue state,
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Speaker 4: I get a subpoena. It's no coincidence they indicted me
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Speaker 4: the very same day that it was revealed that the
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Speaker 4: FBI hit explosive evidence that Joe Biden took a five
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Speaker 4: million dollar illegal bride from Ukraine. Next, Hunter will probably
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Speaker 4: be charged with some very minor offense so that the
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Speaker 4: FBI and DOJ can pretend.
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Speaker 2: That they're fair.
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Speaker 4: They want to pretend they're fair. We got Hunter for jaywalking.
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Speaker 4: As far as the joke of an indictment, it's a
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Speaker 4: horrible thing. It's a horrible thing for this country. I mean,
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Speaker 4: the only good thing about it is it's driven my
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Speaker 4: poll numbers way up.
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Speaker 1: Can you believe that he's right? And Democrats don't seem
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Speaker 1: to mind that. Now there's also another chance that the
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Speaker 1: president could be indicted and I believe he'll probably be
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Speaker 1: indicted again, this time in Georgia for they say election interference.
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Speaker 1: The reason why I believe he'll be indicted there is
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Speaker 1: because at this point, after they did what they did
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Speaker 1: in New York City with Alvin Bragg, there's nothing stopping
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Speaker 1: these rogue prosecutors from doing it over and over and
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Speaker 1: over again. They love this idea. They want this to happen.
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Speaker 1: They think it's amazing. They can't wait for this to
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Speaker 1: continue because they believe that this is how you take
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Speaker 1: him out, and they've been wanting to take him out
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Speaker 1: since the very beginning. Now, I don't know how anyone
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Speaker 1: else beats Donald Trump in the primary. If the election
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Speaker 1: was today, he would win overwhelmingly. Can things change, Sure,
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Speaker 1: they can change. But this Special Council Jack Smith, he
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Speaker 1: believes that you guys will not show up for him
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Speaker 1: in massive numbers in the general and he believes that
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Speaker 1: the Democrats will be able to win. He also lied
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Speaker 1: to you, Special counsel Jack Smith, mayde it very clear.
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Speaker 1: He said that you know, not only did the Grand
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Speaker 1: Jury of Citizens come back with this, but he said,
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Speaker 1: you know, you need to understand that we have one
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Speaker 1: system of one tier of justice here that is equally
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Speaker 1: applied to both sides.
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Speaker 2: No, it's not was.
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Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton would have been indicted for the same thing.
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Speaker 1: So would Mike Pence for that matter, so would Joe Biden,
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Speaker 1: So would Barack Obama, so would Jimmy Carter, so would
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Speaker 1: you know, George Bush and every other living president. But
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Speaker 1: they're making this step up as they go because they
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Speaker 1: want to take out their political enemy.
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Speaker 5: Today, an indict Muslim sealed, charging Donald J. Trump with
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Speaker 5: felony violations of our national security laws as well as
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Speaker 5: participating in a conspiracy to obstruct justice. This indictment was
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Speaker 5: voted by a grand jury of citizens in the Southern
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Speaker 5: District of Florida, and I invite everyone to read it
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Speaker 5: in full to understand the scope and the gravity of
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Speaker 5: the crimes charged. The men and women of the United
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Speaker 5: States Intelligence community and our armed forces dedicate their lives
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Speaker 5: to protecting our nation and its people. Our laws that
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Speaker 5: protect national defense information are critical the safety and security
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Speaker 5: of the United States, and they must be enforced. Violations
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Speaker 5: of those laws put our country at risk. Adherence to
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Speaker 5: the rule of law is a bedrock principle of the
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Speaker 5: Department of Justice, and our nation's commitment to the rule
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Speaker 5: of law sets an example for the world. We have
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Speaker 5: one set of laws in this country, and they apply
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Speaker 5: to everyone. Applying those laws, collecting facts. That's what determines
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Speaker 5: the outcome of an investigation. Nothing more and nothing less.
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Speaker 1: We know he's a liar. The law is not applied
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Speaker 1: equally to both sides. That's the biggest lot of crap
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Speaker 1: I've heard all day.
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Speaker 2: And he knows it. He knows.
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Speaker 1: That they have not gone after Joe Biden the same
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Speaker 1: way they've gone after Donald Trump. Molly Hemingway said the
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Speaker 1: most important part of the Trump indictment is the broader
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Speaker 1: context here. She's right, she said, the larger context here
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Speaker 1: is important. I don't think people would have been willing
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Speaker 1: to hear from a Department of Justice that they needed
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Speaker 1: to indict their top political opponent and hear that in
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Speaker 1: good faith if we hadn't experienced what we have for
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Speaker 1: the last six years from the Department of Justice. In
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Speaker 1: other words, they've lost faith and trust in the system.
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Speaker 1: They have gone rogue in the system. I also think
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Speaker 1: it's important that we understand this. You have a DOJ
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Speaker 1: that it interfere in the twenty sixteen election and the
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty elections, and now they're interfering in the twenty
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Speaker 1: twenty four election. And while they're doing all this, the
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Speaker 1: Treasury Department has had these financial records about Hunter Biden
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Speaker 1: and Jim Biden and the foreign business dealings, and apparently
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Speaker 1: had the records on the five million dollar bribery scheme
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Speaker 1: between Barisma bribing the the United States of America, and
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Speaker 1: they didn't do a damn thing about it. Why because
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Speaker 1: they love him and they're on the same team. Let
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Speaker 1: me say that again. It's because they love him and
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Speaker 1: they're on the same team. President Trump also said something
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Speaker 1: else that is spot on. Why did they come out
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Speaker 1: and announced they were indicting him the same exact day
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Speaker 1: that they came out and said that we know that
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Speaker 1: the president of the United States of America is being
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Speaker 1: accused of taking a five million dollar bribe from the
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Speaker 1: Barisma company to get the prosecutor fired, which, by the way,
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Speaker 1: he did and bragged about it publicly.
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Speaker 2: You know the answer.
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Speaker 1: They didn't want that to be the story, so it
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Speaker 1: was like, okay, now release the story and then it'll
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Speaker 1: work to your advantage, right Like, do it now, no brainer,
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Speaker 1: knock it out now right then we'll be fine.
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Speaker 2: That's how corrupt these people are.
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Speaker 1: They will wait and then diet a former president in
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Speaker 1: the moment when they need it the most, when the
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Speaker 1: American people might actually find out that the president of
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Speaker 1: the United States of America is being accused of taking
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Speaker 1: a five million dollars bribe with money that we know
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Speaker 1: has come in from suspicious activity reports, that's when they
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Speaker 1: decide to do it. Now, think about how messed up
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Speaker 1: that is. Byron Donald's had this to say on Fox
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Speaker 1: about all of this take a listen.
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Speaker 6: If you've had this information since twenty fifteen, there are
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Speaker 6: several documents that speak to this. We already know that
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Speaker 6: there are financial records that the Department of Treasury has
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Speaker 6: about a lot of these business dealings surrounding Hunter Biden
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Speaker 6: and Jim Biden, and we all know the only reason
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Speaker 6: people even give them a red scent is because of
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Speaker 6: Joe Biden's position in our government. If you know this
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Speaker 6: and nobody looks into this, it reeks of the hypocrisy
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Speaker 6: at the FBI and the Department of Justice where they
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Speaker 6: will literally take phony information from Hillary Clinton to start
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Speaker 6: the Trump Russia collusion scandal saga. But then this information
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Speaker 6: comes forward and they do nothing. They put it in
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Speaker 6: a box. It's disgusting.
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Speaker 1: It is disgusting. Congressman Byron Donald's Republican from Florida, is
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Speaker 1: absolutely right. And what he just said there, Jim Jordan,
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Speaker 1: by the way, asked about you know all of this right,
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Speaker 1: he's investigating it. And Jim Jordan was asked to go
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Speaker 1: on CNN Sunday Morning to talk about the Hillary Clinton
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Speaker 1: and the Joe Biden Hunter Biden stuff where they ask
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Speaker 1: him about oh no, no, no, the classification of documents.
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Speaker 1: He said this about how political it was when he
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Speaker 1: was fighting back.
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Speaker 7: In this indictment, he states in on at least one occasion,
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Speaker 7: that he did.
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Speaker 8: Not declassify the information.
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Speaker 4: When he's showing a document to somebody who doesn't have
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Speaker 4: a security clearance, I.
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Speaker 8: Might add, he says explicitly that it is classified. He
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Speaker 8: didn't declassify.
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Speaker 7: It, Danna. He has said time and time again he's
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Speaker 7: declassified all this material. This is this is the most
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Speaker 7: political thing I have ever seen. They've been out to
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Speaker 7: get president.
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Speaker 2: They're going to it.
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Speaker 7: They're indicting President Trump on Tuesday for having material that
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Speaker 7: he declassified that was protected by the Secret Service. One
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Speaker 7: of the people who are doing it is the administration,
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Speaker 7: the Justice Department, from his opponent in the upcoming presidential election.
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Speaker 7: I mean, this is as political as it gets, and frankly,
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Speaker 7: it's part of a pattern. We have seen it time
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Speaker 7: and time again with the president over the last seven years.
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Speaker 7: They try one thing, then they try another. They've continued
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Speaker 7: to go after him, and I think anyone with common
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Speaker 7: sense can see that.
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Speaker 1: I think he's right. Jim Jordan is right. They're going
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Speaker 1: after him with lies. They've gone after him. The dossier
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Speaker 1: that the Clinton's paid for and the DNC Democrat ask
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Speaker 1: can to be paid for?
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Speaker 2: Right?
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Speaker 1: I mean this is this is very clear that this
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Speaker 1: is how they're going to keep going after him, no
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Speaker 1: matter what. It doesn't matter, they are going to go
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Speaker 1: after him, no matter what. It's a broader context here.
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Speaker 1: The broader context is they will stop at nothing to
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Speaker 1: silence the president. They're right, they will stop at nothing
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Speaker 1: to silence a president of the United States of America.
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Speaker 1: Senator Johnson was asked about this Trump indictment over the
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Speaker 1: hand handling of the classified documents on Fox Sunday Morning
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Speaker 1: Futures with Maria Bartromo, and I want you to hear
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Speaker 1: part of what he had to say about this.
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Speaker 8: News of the indictment came just hours after the House
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Speaker 8: Oversight Committee finally got to see that document FBI document
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Speaker 8: alleging a criminal scheme tying then Vice President Joe Biden
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Speaker 8: to bribery. The document reportedly claims both Joe and Hunter
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Speaker 8: Biden received five millionion dollars apiece from an executive from
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Speaker 8: Barisma for what one source called pay to play. Join
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Speaker 8: me right now with more on all of this is
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Speaker 8: Wisconsin Republican Senator Ron Johnson, who has been at the
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Speaker 8: forefront in the investigation into President Biden and his family's
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Speaker 8: business deals. Senator, good to see you this morning. Thanks
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Speaker 8: so much for joining me. Your reaction to the indictment
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Speaker 8: against President Trump.
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Speaker 3: Well, when you consider the exoneration of Hillary Clinton, when
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Speaker 3: you consider the fraudulent and corrupt investigation on Russian collusion,
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Speaker 3: which was a complete lie and the FBI knew it was,
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Speaker 3: you put all these things together. The FBI Department Justice
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Speaker 3: interfered in the twenty sixteen election, in the twenty twenty
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Speaker 3: twenty election, and here we go again, there's going to
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Speaker 3: be interfering in the twenty twenty four election. They already
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Speaker 3: have what a mess. You know, obviously President Trump's going
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Speaker 3: to have an ability to defend himself. But will he
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Speaker 3: be able to defend himself quickly? Or is this going
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Speaker 3: to drag on and on and on. So it's hard
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Speaker 3: not to be suspicious of what the Department Justice is doing.
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Speaker 3: Once again, as you mentioned, the investigation Hunter Biden has
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Speaker 3: been dragging on for years. They're able to wrap up
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Speaker 3: this investigation very rapidly. In addition, they announce it pretty
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Speaker 3: much the same day when the details of the FBI
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Speaker 3: confidential human source is going to be revealed by members
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Speaker 3: of Congress. And I won't steal the Congresswomen's thunder here,
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Speaker 3: but it's all suspicious and it's just just a horrible mess.
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Speaker 8: Well what about the investigation into Hunter Biden. You've done
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Speaker 8: so much work on that over the years. Where does
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Speaker 8: that stand. We are going now on almost six years
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Speaker 8: that the Feds have been frozen on this investigation. They
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Speaker 8: got that laptop win in twenty.
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Speaker 3: Nineteen, correct, but they are investigating Hunter Biden as far
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Speaker 3: back as twenty eighteen. So this investigation is moving at
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Speaker 3: a glacier pace. We have a whistle blower coming into
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Speaker 3: our office saying that the US Attorney Wiss is not
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Speaker 3: out of the resource to do a proper investigation. But
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Speaker 3: what was interesting, Maria, Now that this FBI document has
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Speaker 3: been revealed, I've gone back and I've looked at the timeline,
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Speaker 3: and first of all, you have to understand the bidens. Certainly, Hunter,
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Speaker 3: I think probably Joe Biden as well, knew exactly the
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Speaker 3: type of people they're dealing with. Hunter's business partner who's
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Speaker 3: also on the border, Barisma Devon Archer, is now he
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Speaker 3: convicted Felon Patrick Hoe, who Hunter Biden was paid a
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Speaker 3: million dollars to defend against money laundering charges. Hunter Biden
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Speaker 3: called him the expedited, deleted spy chief of China. In
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Speaker 3: terms of Breizeman, that's what this five million dollar sounds like.
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Speaker 3: Ten million dollars of bride money paid. This all around
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Speaker 3: Bearisma and their corrupt oligarch, Mikola Zolceski. He was his
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Speaker 3: assets were seized by the UK in two thousand and fourteen,
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Speaker 3: same time when Hunter, Biden and Devon were joining the board.
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Speaker 3: Twenty fifteen, he was declared officially declared a fugitive. That's
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Speaker 3: when Andre That's when Victor Chokin was hired as a
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Speaker 3: prosecutor general. Twenty fifteen is we'll find out, is when
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Speaker 3: all this activity was going on with the Bidens. Twenty
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Speaker 3: sixteen is when Chokun opened up investigation and within three
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Speaker 3: months Chokun was fired. And that's about the same time
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Speaker 3: that Vice President Biden was talking to Poorshenko and demanding
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Speaker 3: the firing of Chokun. So it's incredibly corrupt, it's incredibly dirty.
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Speaker 3: The Bidens knew exactly the type people that you're dealing
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Speaker 3: with but the mainstream media has by and large ignored it.
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Speaker 2: But it is interesting.
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Speaker 3: The New York Times the tail end of December twenty
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Speaker 3: sixteen or twenty fifteen was actually writing a story about
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Speaker 3: the Bidens and this corrupt oligarch, but then they pretty
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Speaker 3: well dropped the lead.
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Speaker 8: It feels like American citizens are onto this corruption, even
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Speaker 8: though the mainstream media refused is to report on the
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Speaker 8: most serious charges leveled at a president ever, in my view,
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Speaker 8: the influence peddling. I heard from Lee Carter this morning,
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Speaker 8: the pollster, and she says this most recent poll that
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Speaker 8: she's looking at has corruption and crime at the number
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Speaker 8: one and number two issues for voters right now. So
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Speaker 8: do you think that people understand that part of this
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Speaker 8: is political. We're going to get into the details of
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Speaker 8: the indictment coming up with Alan Derschowitz. But you say
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Speaker 8: it is.
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Speaker 3: Political, Well, I think certainly almost about half of America
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Speaker 3: believes that. But again, the complicit, compliant, corrupt media, they're
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Speaker 3: not covering this thing honestly. And you know, Maria, I
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Speaker 3: also have to point out you talked about Preston breaking.
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Speaker 3: You know, President Ford decided it's best for America not
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Speaker 3: to pursue prosecution against President Nixon. President Trump pretty much
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Speaker 3: made the same decision, decided not to pursue any kind
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Speaker 3: of prosecution of Hillary Clinton. You know, Joe Biden could
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Speaker 3: have made the exact same decision, but he didn't. He
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Speaker 3: out a swat raid on a very secure residence of
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Speaker 3: President Trump over federal records, even though he was holding
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Speaker 3: classified records himself, So that record issue should have been
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Speaker 3: handled civilly. We never should be even in this place.
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Speaker 3: But these are decisions that President Biden made. As much
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Speaker 3: as he's probably lying about not talking to Justice Department
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Speaker 3: at all, that's pretty hard to believe when you understand
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Speaker 3: how many other lies President Biden has told the American public.
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Speaker 2: Johnson's right, he's lying.
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Speaker 1: There are many that are saying, Wow, he's just got
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Speaker 1: too much baggage now, and with too much baggage, what
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Speaker 1: that means is it's time for us to move on
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Speaker 1: to someone else.
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Speaker 2: Five three Are they headed on? Our should say?
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Speaker 1: One eight hundred four seven four nine seven three two
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Speaker 1: One eight hundred four seven four nine seven three two
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Speaker 1: Will you stick with Donald Trump? Are you more or
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Speaker 1: less likely to vote for him in a primary because
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Speaker 1: of this prosecution? One other thing that I want to
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Speaker 1: point out about what Senator Johnson said is the fact
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Speaker 1: that this has been going on now for so long,
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Speaker 1: and the DOJ and those that are supposed to be
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Speaker 1: doing the job of protecting the American people from corruption
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Speaker 1: seem to actually be involved in the corruption and then
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Speaker 1: helping cover it up. And the question then becomes, what
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Speaker 1: happens next, Right, what happens next? At that point, what
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Speaker 1: happens next? There has to be some sort of change
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Speaker 1: at the DOJ. You look at the media, they're communists,
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Speaker 1: their socialist media. The media has not been covering the
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Speaker 1: suspicious Biden family deal. They just won't cover it. And
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Speaker 1: the reason why they won't cover is because so damning.
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Speaker 1: But they're on the same team with the Biden so
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Speaker 1: they're going to protect them at all costs. Now, Donald
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Speaker 1: Trump will cover it wall to wall, will cover things
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Speaker 1: and get awards for for even some of our cover
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Speaker 1: is filled with nothing but lies.
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Speaker 2: That's another problem.
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Speaker 1: But at some point we're going to have to fight
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Speaker 1: this and we're gonna have to win, and we're going
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Speaker 1: to need to win for the future of this country. Now,
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Speaker 1: this primary is going to be messed up, but the
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Speaker 1: idea that we're going to see a president of the
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Speaker 1: United States of America on trial the same way that
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Speaker 1: we watched the O Dre Trill tells me that we're
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Speaker 1: losing this country and we better start fighting to protect
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Speaker 1: and defend it. A former president of the United States
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Speaker 1: of America should never be indicted the way that Donald
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Speaker 1: Trump is being indicted. By the way, that would also
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Speaker 1: mean that I'm saying that Joe Biden shouldn't be indicted
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Speaker 1: for his classified documents unless he was selling those classified
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Speaker 1: documents the highest bidder.
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Speaker 2: That's different. But we shouldn't go after Mike Pence.
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Speaker 1: We shouldn't go after Barack Obama, we shouldn't go after
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Speaker 1: George Bush, we shouldn't go after Jimmy Carter, any living
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Speaker 1: president for something as simple as having a document. Now
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Speaker 1: in the future, moving forward, should it be very clear
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Speaker 1: President that you can't do this ever again moving forward. Absolutely,
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Speaker 1: there should be that precedence. Okay, no doubt there should
30:03
Speaker 1: be that precedent. I want to make that clear. But
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Speaker 1: the idea that we're going to lock up a former
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Speaker 1: president United to in America over a document having a
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Speaker 1: document that people are saying, well, you really shouldn't have
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Speaker 1: the document.
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Speaker 2: That's wrong.
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Speaker 1: There's a picture, and I think it really shows you
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Speaker 1: the laughability of the left on a Navara, who's just
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Speaker 1: a gosh, he's an awful person. On the View and
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Speaker 1: on CNN she posts a picture of these documents in
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Speaker 1: a you know, in the bathroom Marlago you've probably seen
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Speaker 1: it now, says.
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Speaker 2: Quote, the gravity of this case is very serious.
30:38
Speaker 1: But we can talk about how freaking tacky and dated
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Speaker 1: Marlago is for a minute, question mark. I mean, they
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Speaker 1: don't even sell low to the ground mage toilets anymore.
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Speaker 1: The shower rod is one of those cheap extendable plastic
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Speaker 1: thingies that keeps falling off the wall at the lightest tug.
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Speaker 1: And the shower curtain you can get them in Amazon
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Speaker 1: for four n nine. You telling me all these these
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Speaker 1: boogiey people actually pay a quarter million dollars to belong
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Speaker 1: to this dump. I actually am glad that she wrote
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Speaker 1: this because it shows you the level of Trump derangement syndrome.
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Speaker 1: This is Trump derangement syndrome. These are the psychos of
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Speaker 1: the left. They just want to beat him, folks, that's
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Speaker 1: all it is. Wayne Navarro said that she just.
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Speaker 2: Wants to beat him.
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Speaker 1: That's her take because she knows the case is so weak.
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Speaker 1: She's going to comment on the on the bathroom right.
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Speaker 1: These documents are there, there's a picture, and that's her critique.
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Speaker 1: That's how petty they are, and that's how psycho they
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Speaker 1: are about bringing him down. Who would want to be
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Speaker 1: a member of this place? Who would want to be
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Speaker 1: a member?
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Speaker 2: It's pathetic, It is absolutely pathetic. We're going to cover this,
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