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Unraveling the Wisdom of Mindfulness: A Conversation with Bob Martin · The Living Conversation

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  I'm
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  Anthony
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  Wright
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  and
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  I
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  am
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  your
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  co
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  host
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  today
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  on
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  the
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  Living
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  Conversation
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  with
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  Adam
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  Dietz.
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  And
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  we
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  are
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  talking
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  with
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  our
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  guest,
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  Bob
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  Martin.
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  And
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  Bob,
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  you
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  are
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  a
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  resident
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  of
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  Florida
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  and
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  you
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  are
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  an
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  attorney
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  and
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  a
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  social
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  worker
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  and
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  a
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  meditation
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  teacher.
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  And
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  I
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  seem
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  in
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  my
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  notes
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  here
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  to
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  see,
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  have
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  you
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  written.
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  You've
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  written
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  a
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  book
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  that's
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  called
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  A
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  Wise
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  in
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  Daily
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  Life,
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  is
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  that
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  right?
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  No,
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  no,
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  no,
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  but
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  let
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  me.
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  Let
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  me
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  stop
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  you
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  for
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  a
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  second
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  about
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  the
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  resident
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  in
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  Florida.
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  I
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  was
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  a
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  resident
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  of
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  Florida
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  until
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  1988
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  when
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  one
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  of
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  my
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  mob
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  clients
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  asked
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  me
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  to
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  do
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  something
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  that
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  I
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  refused
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  to
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  do.
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  And
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  now,
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  therefore,
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  I
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  am
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  a
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  resident
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  of
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  North
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  Carolina.
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  Oh,
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  okay.
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  Yeah.
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  And
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  you
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  had
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  to
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  deal
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  with
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  the
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  hurricane
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  there
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  last
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  year,
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  I'm
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  sure.
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  Oh,
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  yeah.
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  Which
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  is
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  really
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  tough.
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  But
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  anyway,
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  you.
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  You
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  offer
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  a
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  really
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  interesting
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  synthesis
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  between
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  Christianity
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  and
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  Taoism.
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  And.
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  Your
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  teacher,
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  your
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  daoist
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  teacher
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  was
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  Hui
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  Cheng
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  Ni,
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  and
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  you've
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  been
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  a
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  mindfulness
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  teacher
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  at
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  Elon
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  University.
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  So
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  I'll
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  start
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  out
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  to
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  ask
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  you,
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  how
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  did
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  you
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  come
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  to
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  mindfulness?
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  Ha.
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  Well,
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  so
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  it
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  really
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  started
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  with
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  watching
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  me.
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  Of
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  course,
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  in
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  those
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  days,
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  he
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  was
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  known
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  as
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  knee,
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  comma,
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  watching,
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  right?
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  Because
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  in
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  the
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  Chinese
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  culture,
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  the
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  last
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  name
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  always
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  comes
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  first.
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  And
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  so
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  it
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  was
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  me
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  and
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  I,
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  they
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  were
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  talking
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  1980s,
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  early
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  1980s,
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  okay,
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  late
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  70s.
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  And.
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  And
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  so
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  I
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  was,
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  at
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  that
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  point,
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  I
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  had
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  been
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  a
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  prosecutor
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  and
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  had
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  risen
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  to
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  be
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  chief
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  of
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  the
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  economic
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  crimes
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  division.
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  And
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  using
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  a
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  racketeering
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  statute,
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  we
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  went
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  after
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  the
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  mob
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  and
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  we
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  hit
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  him
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  for
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  76
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  million
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  bucks.
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  Oh,
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  my
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  goodness.
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  So
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  shortly
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  thereafter,
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  I
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  went
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  off
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  down
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  the
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  street
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  and
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  I
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  hung
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  up
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  my
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  shingle.
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  I
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  left
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  the
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  office
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  and
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  hung
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  my
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  shingle
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  out.
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  And
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  the
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  mob
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  came
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  in
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  the
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  guise
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  of
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  Johnny,
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  who
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  was
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  in
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  charge
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  of
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  the
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  southern
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  branch
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  of
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  the
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  Gambino
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  mob,
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  and
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  asked.
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  He
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  said,
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  basically,
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  you
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  know,
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  you
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  beat
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  our
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  lawyers,
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  and
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  our
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  lawyers
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  are
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  pretty
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  good,
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  so
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  we
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  want
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  to
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  hire
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  you.
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  So
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  we
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  had
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  a
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  good
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  refuse
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  an
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  offer
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  that
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  I
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  didn't
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  even
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  want
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  to
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  refuse.
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  I
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  mean,
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  as
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  long
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  as
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  we
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  understood
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  nothing
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  illegal,
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  nothing
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  unethical,
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  having
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  a
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  lawyer
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  whose
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  word
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  is
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  gold
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  in
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  the
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  courtroom
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  is
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  in
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  your
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  best
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  interest.
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  And
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  the
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  minute
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  I
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  start
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  screwing
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  around
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  in
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  the
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  courtroom,
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  you
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  lose
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  the
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  benefit
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  of
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  my
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  respect.
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  So
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  he
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  got
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  said,
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  yeah,
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  I
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  get
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  it,
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  and
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  everything
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  was
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  good.
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  And
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  so
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  I
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  was
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  hanging
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  out
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  with
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  them
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  a
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  lot.
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  And
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  it
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  was
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  the
• 3:19
  cocaine
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  cowboy
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  days.
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  And
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  I
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  will
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  insinuate
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  or
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  infer
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  to
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  you
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  that
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  my
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  behaviors
• 3:27
  were
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  a
• 3:28
  bit
• 3:28
  excessive,
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  you
• 3:30
  know,
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  with
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  all
• 3:31
  these
• 3:31
  gold
• 3:32
  glass
• 3:32
  tables
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  that
• 3:33
  they
• 3:33
  had
• 3:33
  in
• 3:34
  the
• 3:34
  discotheques.
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  You
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  know,
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  and
• 3:35
  all
• 3:36
  the
• 3:36
  stuff
• 3:36
  you
• 3:36
  see
• 3:36
  about
• 3:37
  the
• 3:37
  lines
• 3:37
  that
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  you
• 3:38
  draw
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  on
• 3:38
  them.
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  Anyway,
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  I
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  was
• 3:40
  coming
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  home
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  at
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  midnight
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  and
• 3:42
  leaving
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  at
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  4
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  o'
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  clock
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  in
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  the
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  morning.
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  My
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  family
• 3:44
  life
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  was
• 3:45
  going
• 3:45
  to
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  hell.
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  And
• 3:46
  I
• 3:47
  was
• 3:47
  seeing
• 3:47
  a
• 3:47
  therapist.
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  And
• 3:49
  the
• 3:49
  therapist
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  was
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  named
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  George,
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  and
• 3:54
  George
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  has
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  passed.
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  And
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  one
• 3:57
  day
• 3:57
  I
• 3:57
  came
• 3:57
  to
• 3:58
  a
• 3:58
  really
• 3:58
  important
• 3:58
  fork,
• 3:59
  roads
• 3:59
  in
• 3:59
  the
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  Road.
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  And
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  I
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  came
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  to
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  see
• 4:01
  George
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  and
• 4:01
  I
• 4:01
  said,
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  hey,
• 4:02
  George,
• 4:02
  you
• 4:02
  know,
• 4:03
  should
• 4:03
  I
• 4:03
  do
• 4:03
  this
• 4:03
  or
• 4:04
  should
• 4:04
  I
• 4:04
  do
• 4:04
  that?
• 4:05
  And
• 4:05
  I
• 4:05
  fully
• 4:06
  expected
• 4:07
  that
• 4:07
  I
• 4:07
  was
• 4:07
  going
• 4:07
  to
• 4:07
  get
• 4:08
  a
• 4:09
  therapeutic
• 4:10
  response
• 4:10
  like,
• 4:11
  well,
• 4:11
  Bob,
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  what
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  do
• 4:13
  you
• 4:13
  think
• 4:13
  you
• 4:13
  should
• 4:13
  do?
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  But
• 4:17
  instead,
• 4:17
  he
• 4:18
  picked
• 4:18
  up
• 4:18
  three
• 4:18
  coins
• 4:19
  and
• 4:20
  he
• 4:20
  started
• 4:20
  shaking
• 4:21
  those
• 4:21
  coins
• 4:21
  and
• 4:22
  dropping
• 4:22
  them
• 4:22
  on
• 4:22
  the
• 4:22
  thing.
• 4:23
  And
• 4:23
  he
• 4:24
  started
• 4:24
  like
• 4:25
  calculating
• 4:26
  numbers
• 4:27
  and
• 4:27
  making
• 4:27
  lines
• 4:28
  on
• 4:28
  a
• 4:28
  page
• 4:29
  and
• 4:29
  finally
• 4:30
  did
• 4:30
  six
• 4:30
  lines
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  on
• 4:31
  a
• 4:31
  page
• 4:31
  and
• 4:32
  he
• 4:32
  did
• 4:32
  a
• 4:32
  calculation
• 4:33
  and
• 4:33
  he
• 4:33
  came
• 4:33
  up
• 4:33
  with
• 4:34
  a
• 4:34
  number
• 4:34
  and
• 4:35
  he
• 4:35
  opened
• 4:35
  up
• 4:36
  a
• 4:36
  big
• 4:36
  old
• 4:36
  book
• 4:37
  to
• 4:37
  that
• 4:37
  chapter
• 4:38
  number
• 4:38
  and
• 4:38
  he
• 4:39
  showed
• 4:39
  it
• 4:39
  to
• 4:39
  me.
• 4:39
  And
• 4:39
  the
• 4:40
  name
• 4:40
  of
• 4:41
  the
• 4:41
  chapter
• 4:42
  was
• 4:42
  retreat
• 4:44
  hexagram33.
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  And
• 4:51
  I
• 4:52
  of
• 4:52
  course
• 4:52
  thought
• 4:53
  that
• 4:53
  my
• 4:53
  therapist
• 4:54
  had
• 4:54
  become
• 4:54
  a
• 4:55
  soothsayer
• 4:56
  or
• 4:56
  some
• 4:56
  crazy
• 4:57
  thing.
• 4:57
  And
• 4:57
  I
• 4:58
  cursed
• 4:59
  him
• 4:59
  out
• 4:59
  and
• 4:59
  stomped
• 5:00
  out.
• 5:01
  But
• 5:02
  that
• 5:03
  word
• 5:03
  was
• 5:03
  like
• 5:04
  tattooed
• 5:05
  on
• 5:05
  my
• 5:05
  forehead.
• 5:07
  And
• 5:07
  I
• 5:07
  knew,
• 5:08
  I
• 5:08
  knew
• 5:08
  that
• 5:09
  was
• 5:09
  what
• 5:09
  I
• 5:10
  needed
• 5:10
  to
• 5:10
  do.
• 5:10
  I
• 5:10
  needed
• 5:11
  to
• 5:11
  pull
• 5:11
  back
• 5:11
  from
• 5:12
  excessive
• 5:12
  behaviors.
• 5:13
  Not
• 5:13
  from
• 5:13
  what
• 5:14
  I
• 5:14
  was
• 5:14
  doing
• 5:14
  legally
• 5:15
  inappropriately,
• 5:15
  but
• 5:16
  from
• 5:16
  those
• 5:16
  excessive
• 5:17
  behaviors.
• 5:17
  And
• 5:18
  I
• 5:18
  came
• 5:18
  back
• 5:18
  to
• 5:19
  him
• 5:19
  with
• 5:19
  my
• 5:19
  tail
• 5:19
  between
• 5:20
  the
• 5:20
  legs
• 5:20
  and
• 5:21
  asked
• 5:21
  him,
• 5:22
  hey,
• 5:22
  George,
• 5:23
  what
• 5:23
  was
• 5:24
  that?
• 5:24
  And
• 5:24
  he
• 5:25
  says,
• 5:25
  well,
• 5:25
  Bob,
• 5:25
  that
• 5:25
  was
• 5:26
  the
• 5:26
  I
• 5:26
  Ching.
• 5:27
  And
• 5:28
  I
• 5:28
  said,
• 5:28
  what
• 5:29
  was
• 5:29
  the.
• 5:29
  What
• 5:30
  is
• 5:30
  the
• 5:30
  I
• 5:30
  Ching?
• 5:30
  He
• 5:31
  says,
• 5:31
  well,
• 5:31
  it's
• 5:31
  a
• 5:31
  Taoist
• 5:32
  practice
• 5:32
  of
• 5:33
  self
• 5:33
  examination.
• 5:35
  And
• 5:35
  I
• 5:35
  went
• 5:35
  and
• 5:36
  I
• 5:36
  looked
• 5:36
  it
• 5:36
  up
• 5:36
  afterwards
• 5:37
  and
• 5:37
  it
• 5:37
  said
• 5:37
  something
• 5:37
  about
• 5:38
  oracles
• 5:38
  and
• 5:39
  soothsayers
• 5:39
  and
• 5:40
  blah
• 5:40
  blah,
• 5:40
  blah,
• 5:40
  blah,
• 5:41
  blah.
• 5:41
  I
• 5:41
  went
• 5:42
  back
• 5:42
  and
• 5:42
  asked
• 5:42
  him
• 5:42
  again,
• 5:43
  he
• 5:43
  goes,
• 5:43
  no,
• 5:44
  maybe
• 5:44
  at
• 5:44
  one
• 5:45
  time
• 5:45
  that
• 5:45
  was
• 5:45
  the
• 5:45
  development.
• 5:46
  And
• 5:46
  in
• 5:47
  the
• 5:47
  old,
• 5:48
  you
• 5:48
  know,
• 5:49
  Dallas
• 5:49
  beginnings,
• 5:52
  people
• 5:52
  do,
• 5:52
  and
• 5:53
  many
• 5:53
  people
• 5:53
  still
• 5:53
  feel
• 5:54
  that
• 5:54
  it
• 5:54
  is
• 5:54
  an
• 5:54
  oracle
• 5:55
  of
• 5:55
  sites.
• 5:55
  But
• 5:55
  it's
• 5:55
  really,
• 5:56
  truly
• 5:57
  a
• 5:57
  way
• 5:58
  of
• 6:00
  giving
• 6:00
  your
• 6:01
  intuitive
• 6:03
  brain
• 6:03
  that
• 6:04
  whole
• 6:04
  half
• 6:05
  of
• 6:05
  your
• 6:05
  mind,
• 6:06
  that
• 6:06
  sublingual,
• 6:08
  giving
• 6:08
  it
• 6:08
  a
• 6:08
  chance
• 6:09
  to
• 6:09
  work
• 6:09
  on
• 6:10
  some
• 6:10
  issue
• 6:11
  for
• 6:11
  you
• 6:12
  and
• 6:12
  then
• 6:12
  creating
• 6:13
  a
• 6:13
  verbal
• 6:14
  bridge
• 6:15
  so
• 6:15
  it
• 6:15
  can
• 6:15
  give
• 6:15
  you
• 6:15
  that
• 6:16
  information
• 6:16
  over
• 6:17
  to
• 6:17
  your
• 6:17
  verbal
• 6:18
  thinking,
• 6:19
  rational
• 6:19
  mind
• 6:20
  so
• 6:20
  that
• 6:20
  you
• 6:20
  can
• 6:20
  effectuate
• 6:21
  the
• 6:22
  intelligence.
• 6:23
  I
• 6:23
  go,
• 6:24
  whoa,
• 6:25
  that
• 6:25
  was
• 6:25
  a
• 6:25
  bit.
• 6:25
  Let
• 6:26
  me
• 6:26
  see
• 6:26
  if
• 6:26
  I
• 6:26
  can
• 6:26
  unpack
• 6:27
  that.
• 6:29
  But
• 6:29
  it
• 6:29
  interested
• 6:30
  me.
• 6:30
  And
• 6:31
  it
• 6:31
  turned
• 6:31
  out
• 6:31
  that
• 6:32
  my
• 6:32
  therapist
• 6:33
  was
• 6:33
  actually
• 6:33
  the
• 6:34
  English
• 6:34
  language
• 6:35
  editor
• 6:36
  for
• 6:36
  Master
• 6:37
  Watching
• 6:37
  Me.
• 6:39
  And
• 6:39
  he
• 6:39
  is
• 6:40
  a
• 6:40
  72nd
• 6:41
  generation.
• 6:42
  Think
• 6:43
  about
• 6:43
  that.
• 6:44
  72Nd
• 6:44
  father
• 6:45
  to
• 6:45
  son,
• 6:45
  handhounds,
• 6:47
  Grandmaster
• 6:48
  from
• 6:48
  the
• 6:48
  Shaolin
• 6:49
  Temple.
• 6:51
  And
• 6:51
  the
• 6:51
  next
• 6:51
  week
• 6:52
  he
• 6:52
  came
• 6:52
  to
• 6:52
  Miami
• 6:54
  and,
• 6:54
  you
• 6:54
  know
• 6:54
  that
• 6:55
  old
• 6:55
  Ted
• 6:56
  and
• 6:56
  Bob
• 6:56
  thing,
• 6:57
  you
• 6:57
  know.
• 6:57
  Unworthy.
• 6:57
  Unworthy.
• 6:58
  Yeah.
• 7:00
  Well,
• 7:01
  when
• 7:01
  this
• 7:01
  guy
• 7:02
  walked
• 7:02
  in
• 7:02
  the
• 7:02
  room,
• 7:03
  you
• 7:03
  just
• 7:03
  felt
• 7:04
  like
• 7:04
  you
• 7:04
  wanted
• 7:04
  to
• 7:04
  go.
• 7:05
  Unworthy,
• 7:05
  unworthy.
• 7:06
  There
• 7:06
  was
• 7:06
  something
• 7:06
  about
• 7:07
  him.
• 7:07
  When
• 7:08
  he
• 7:08
  looked
• 7:08
  at
• 7:08
  you,
• 7:10
  you.
• 7:11
  You
• 7:11
  felt
• 7:12
  like
• 7:12
  he
• 7:12
  was
• 7:12
  looking
• 7:13
  three
• 7:13
  inches
• 7:14
  past
• 7:14
  your
• 7:15
  eyes.
• 7:17
  He
• 7:18
  just
• 7:18
  felt
• 7:18
  like
• 7:18
  he
• 7:18
  was
• 7:19
  looking
• 7:19
  into
• 7:19
  you.
• 7:20
  And
• 7:22
  so
• 7:22
  I
• 7:23
  started
• 7:23
  to
• 7:23
  become
• 7:24
  curious
• 7:24
  about
• 7:24
  Taoism
• 7:25
  and
• 7:25
  studied
• 7:26
  under
• 7:26
  Master
• 7:26
  Ni
• 7:27
  for
• 7:27
  eight
• 7:27
  years.
• 7:28
  And
• 7:29
  mostly
• 7:30
  it
• 7:30
  was
• 7:30
  the
• 7:30
  I
• 7:31
  Ching.
• 7:31
  Every
• 7:31
  day,
• 7:32
  the
• 7:32
  I
• 7:33
  Ching.
• 7:35
  Most
• 7:35
  people
• 7:36
  read
• 7:36
  it
• 7:36
  as
• 7:37
  I
• 7:37
  Ching,
• 7:38
  it's
• 7:39
  really
• 7:39
  pronounced
• 7:40
  I
• 7:40
  Ching,
• 7:41
  but
• 7:43
  practicing
• 7:43
  every
• 7:44
  day.
• 7:44
  Tai
• 7:44
  chi,
• 7:45
  qigong,
• 7:46
  energy
• 7:47
  manipulation.
• 7:48
  You
• 7:48
  know,
• 7:48
  Taoism
• 7:49
  isn't
• 7:49
  very
• 7:49
  much
• 7:50
  meditative
• 7:51
  as
• 7:51
  Buddhism
• 7:52
  is.
• 7:53
  It's
• 7:53
  more
• 7:54
  movement,
• 7:54
  meditated.
• 7:55
  It's
• 7:56
  more
• 7:56
  real
• 7:56
  life
• 7:57
  in.
• 7:57
  In
• 7:58
  your
• 7:58
  life
• 7:59
  type
• 7:59
  stuff.
• 8:00
  And
• 8:00
  it's
• 8:01
  all
• 8:01
  about
• 8:01
  timing.
• 8:02
  It's
• 8:02
  all
• 8:02
  about
• 8:02
  learning
• 8:03
  the
• 8:03
  timing,
• 8:05
  you
• 8:05
  know,
• 8:05
  of
• 8:05
  life.
• 8:06
  Like
• 8:06
  they
• 8:07
  say
• 8:07
  in
• 8:08
  the
• 8:08
  Bible,
• 8:08
  there's
• 8:09
  a
• 8:09
  time
• 8:09
  to
• 8:09
  reap,
• 8:09
  time
• 8:10
  to
• 8:10
  sow
• 8:10
  and
• 8:11
  the
• 8:11
  like.
• 8:12
  And.
• 8:14
  Talks
• 8:14
  about
• 8:15
  the
• 8:15
  time
• 8:15
  as
• 8:15
  well,
• 8:15
  huh?
• 8:17
  Talks
• 8:18
  about
• 8:18
  the
• 8:18
  time
• 8:18
  as
• 8:19
  well.
• 8:19
  The
• 8:20
  I
• 8:20
  Ching
• 8:20
  is
• 8:20
  only
• 8:21
  about
• 8:21
  the
• 8:22
  time.
• 8:23
  Well,
• 8:23
  not
• 8:23
  only,
• 8:23
  but
• 8:24
  always
• 8:24
  about
• 8:25
  the
• 8:25
  time.
• 8:25
  It's
• 8:25
  a
• 8:26
  time
• 8:26
  to
• 8:26
  retreat,
• 8:26
  a
• 8:27
  time
• 8:27
  to
• 8:27
  move
• 8:27
  forward,
• 8:28
  a
• 8:28
  time
• 8:29
  to
• 8:29
  have
• 8:30
  calculated,
• 8:30
  waiting.
• 8:31
  A
• 8:32
  time
• 8:32
  of
• 8:32
  prosperity,
• 8:33
  a
• 8:33
  time
• 8:33
  of
• 8:34
  paucity.
• 8:35
  These
• 8:35
  are
• 8:35
  the
• 8:35
  names
• 8:36
  of
• 8:36
  the
• 8:36
  chapters
• 8:36
  of
• 8:36
  the
• 8:37
  book.
• 8:37
  And
• 8:37
  so,
• 8:38
  as
• 8:38
  you
• 8:38
  consult
• 8:39
  it
• 8:40
  and
• 8:40
  begin
• 8:41
  to
• 8:42
  embody
• 8:44
  the
• 8:44
  64
• 8:45
  different
• 8:46
  times
• 8:46
  in
• 8:46
  the
• 8:46
  cycle
• 8:47
  of
• 8:47
  the
• 8:47
  Yin
• 8:48
  Yang,
• 8:49
  you
• 8:49
  begin
• 8:49
  to
• 8:49
  be
• 8:50
  able
• 8:50
  to
• 8:50
  recognize
• 8:51
  it
• 8:51
  in
• 8:51
  your
• 8:52
  life.
• 8:53
  And
• 8:54
  of
• 8:54
  course,
• 8:54
  the
• 8:55
  advice
• 8:56
  and
• 8:56
  the
• 8:56
  wisdom
• 8:57
  that's
• 8:57
  in
• 8:57
  the
• 8:57
  I
• 8:57
  Ching
• 8:58
  advises,
• 8:59
  how
• 9:00
  do
• 9:00
  we
• 9:00
  respond
• 9:01
  in
• 9:01
  a
• 9:01
  time
• 9:02
  of
• 9:02
  prosperity?
• 9:04
  How
• 9:04
  do
• 9:04
  we
• 9:04
  respond
• 9:05
  to
• 9:05
  a
• 9:05
  time
• 9:06
  of
• 9:06
  paucity
• 9:06
  that's
• 9:07
  effective
• 9:07
  and
• 9:08
  efficient?
• 9:10
  And
• 9:11
  so,
• 9:11
  as
• 9:11
  you
• 9:12
  begin
• 9:12
  to
• 9:12
  recognize
• 9:13
  these
• 9:13
  different
• 9:14
  times
• 9:15
  and
• 9:15
  learn
• 9:16
  the
• 9:16
  appropriate
• 9:17
  response,
• 9:18
  you
• 9:18
  gain
• 9:18
  in
• 9:18
  wisdom
• 9:19
  and
• 9:19
  you
• 9:19
  gain
• 9:20
  in
• 9:20
  efficiency
• 9:21
  in
• 9:21
  living.
• 9:22
  And
• 9:22
  all
• 9:22
  of
• 9:22
  a
• 9:22
  sudden,
• 9:23
  life
• 9:23
  starts
• 9:23
  to
• 9:23
  become
• 9:24
  much
• 9:24
  easier,.
• 9:29
  Very
• 9:29
  near
• 9:29
  and
• 9:29
  dear
• 9:30
  to
• 9:30
  our
• 9:30
  heart.
• 9:30
  So
• 9:30
  we're
• 9:31
  happy
• 9:31
  to
• 9:31
  have
• 9:31
  you
• 9:31
  on
• 9:32
  Bob.
• 9:33
  And
• 9:33
  one
• 9:34
  way
• 9:34
  that
• 9:34
  we've
• 9:34
  described
• 9:35
  it
• 9:35
  to
• 9:35
  our
• 9:35
  listeners
• 9:35
  before
• 9:36
  is
• 9:36
  that
• 9:37
  the
• 9:37
  I
• 9:38
  Ching
• 9:39
  has
• 9:40
  deals
• 9:41
  with
• 9:41
  very
• 9:41
  complicated.
• 9:42
  Complicated
• 9:42
  thing
• 9:42
  called
• 9:43
  life.
• 9:43
  Yes.
• 9:44
  With
• 9:44
  two.
• 9:45
  Two
• 9:45
  ways
• 9:47
  going
• 9:47
  forward.
• 9:48
  Strong
• 9:49
  Yang
• 9:49
  energy
• 9:50
  or
• 9:51
  retreat
• 9:51
  yin
• 9:52
  energy.
• 9:52
  So
• 9:53
  could
• 9:53
  you
• 9:53
  say
• 9:53
  something
• 9:53
  about
• 9:54
  how
• 9:55
  the
• 9:55
  I
• 9:55
  Ching
• 9:57
  gave
• 9:57
  you
• 9:57
  this
• 9:58
  sense
• 9:58
  of
• 9:59
  bringing
• 9:59
  yin
• 10:00
  energy
• 10:00
  into
• 10:01
  your
• 10:01
  life,
• 10:01
  Yin
• 10:01
  energy
• 10:02
  into
• 10:02
  your
• 10:02
  life.
• 10:03
  And
• 10:03
  Taoism
• 10:04
  also
• 10:04
  does
• 10:04
  this.
• 10:05
  Decreasing
• 10:06
  your
• 10:06
  desire.
• 10:08
  Retreating,
• 10:08
  you
• 10:08
  say,
• 10:10
  decreasing
• 10:11
  your
• 10:11
  excessiveness.
• 10:12
  Could
• 10:12
  you
• 10:12
  say
• 10:12
  more
• 10:12
  about
• 10:13
  how
• 10:13
  that
• 10:13
  process
• 10:13
  unfolded
• 10:14
  after
• 10:14
  you
• 10:15
  first
• 10:15
  came
• 10:16
  into
• 10:16
  contact
• 10:16
  with
• 10:17
  it?
• 10:17
  Well,
• 10:18
  okay,
• 10:18
  I
• 10:18
  will,
• 10:18
  absolutely.
• 10:19
  And
• 10:20
  if
• 10:20
  you
• 10:20
  allow
• 10:21
  me,
• 10:22
  let's
• 10:22
  just
• 10:23
  stop
• 10:23
  a
• 10:23
  second
• 10:23
  for
• 10:24
  those
• 10:24
  people
• 10:24
  that
• 10:25
  are
• 10:26
  watching
• 10:26
  or
• 10:27
  those
• 10:27
  people
• 10:27
  that
• 10:27
  are
• 10:27
  listening
• 10:28
  and
• 10:28
  talk
• 10:28
  a
• 10:28
  little
• 10:28
  bit
• 10:29
  about
• 10:29
  Yin
• 10:29
  Yang
• 10:31
  just
• 10:31
  to
• 10:31
  understand
• 10:34
  the
• 10:34
  concept
• 10:35
  of
• 10:35
  constant
• 10:36
  change.
• 10:36
  Now
• 10:37
  I
• 10:37
  have
• 10:37
  this
• 10:37
  little
• 10:37
  box
• 10:38
  I
• 10:38
  keep
• 10:38
  here.
• 10:39
  And
• 10:39
  here,
• 10:39
  you
• 10:40
  know,
• 10:40
  here's
• 10:40
  the
• 10:40
  Yin
• 10:40
  Yang.
• 10:41
  And
• 10:42
  you
• 10:42
  notice,
• 10:42
  you
• 10:42
  know,
• 10:43
  of
• 10:43
  course,
• 10:43
  the
• 10:43
  dark
• 10:44
  is
• 10:44
  the
• 10:44
  yin
• 10:44
  and
• 10:44
  the
• 10:45
  light
• 10:45
  is
• 10:45
  the
• 10:45
  Yang.
• 10:45
  And
• 10:46
  inside
• 10:47
  of
• 10:47
  Yang
• 10:47
  there's
• 10:48
  this
• 10:48
  dot
• 10:49
  that
• 10:49
  people
• 10:50
  normally
• 10:50
  see.
• 10:51
  They
• 10:51
  see
• 10:51
  that.
• 10:52
  Well,
• 10:53
  it's
• 10:53
  important
• 10:53
  to
• 10:54
  understand
• 10:54
  that
• 10:54
  that
• 10:55
  is
• 10:55
  the
• 10:55
  seed
• 10:57
  of
• 10:57
  yin
• 10:58
  and
• 10:59
  inside
• 10:59
  of
• 10:59
  yin
• 11:00
  is
• 11:00
  the
• 11:00
  seed
• 11:00
  of
• 11:01
  Yang.
• 11:01
  And
• 11:02
  that
• 11:02
  seed
• 11:02
  is
• 11:03
  going
• 11:03
  to
• 11:03
  grow
• 11:03
  and
• 11:04
  it's
• 11:04
  going
• 11:04
  to
• 11:04
  come
• 11:05
  over
• 11:05
  and
• 11:05
  it's
• 11:05
  going
• 11:06
  to
• 11:06
  take
• 11:06
  over.
• 11:07
  So
• 11:07
  that
• 11:07
  yin
• 11:08
  will
• 11:08
  turn
• 11:09
  to
• 11:09
  Yang
• 11:10
  and
• 11:10
  Yang
• 11:10
  will
• 11:11
  turn
• 11:11
  to
• 11:11
  yin.
• 11:12
  In
• 11:12
  the
• 11:12
  same
• 11:12
  way
• 11:13
  that
• 11:13
  day
• 11:13
  turns
• 11:14
  to
• 11:14
  summer
• 11:14
  and
• 11:14
  summer
• 11:15
  turns
• 11:15
  to
• 11:15
  winter
• 11:16
  and
• 11:16
  you're
• 11:17
  good.
• 11:17
  And
• 11:17
  what
• 11:18
  people
• 11:18
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• 11:18
  get
• 11:20
  is
• 11:20
  that
• 11:20
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• 11:20
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• 11:21
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• 11:21
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• 11:21
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• 11:23
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• 11:23
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• 11:25
  in
• 11:25
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• 11:26
  microcosm
• 11:27
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• 11:27
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• 11:27
  the
• 11:27
  macrocosm
• 11:28
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• 11:29
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• 11:29
  our
• 11:29
  lives.
• 11:30
  And
• 11:30
  so
• 11:30
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• 11:30
  we
• 11:31
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• 11:31
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• 11:31
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• 11:32
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• 11:32
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• 11:33
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• 11:33
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• 11:33
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• 11:34
  to
• 11:34
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• 11:35
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• 11:35
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• 11:35
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• 11:36
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• 11:36
  The
• 11:36
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• 11:37
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• 11:37
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• 11:37
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• 11:37
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• 11:37
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• 11:37
  Yang.
• 11:39
  So
• 11:39
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• 11:39
  we're
• 11:39
  at
• 11:40
  the
• 11:40
  zenith,
• 11:42
  the
• 11:43
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• 11:43
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• 11:43
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• 11:43
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• 11:43
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• 11:44
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• 11:44
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• 11:45
  When
• 11:45
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• 11:45
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• 11:45
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• 11:45
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• 11:46
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• 11:46
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• 11:46
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• 11:46
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• 11:47
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• 11:47
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• 11:47
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• 11:47
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• 11:48
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• 11:48
  The
• 11:48
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• 11:48
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• 11:49
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• 11:49
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• 11:49
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• 11:49
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• 11:50
  up.
• 11:51
  And
• 11:51
  so
• 11:51
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• 11:52
  we
• 11:52
  understand
• 11:53
  that
• 11:53
  life
• 11:53
  is
• 11:53
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• 11:54
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• 11:54
  we
• 11:55
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• 11:55
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• 11:56
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• 11:56
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• 11:56
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• 11:56
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• 11:57
  well,
• 11:58
  this
• 11:58
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• 11:58
  the
• 11:58
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• 11:59
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• 11:59
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• 11:59
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• 11:59
  conserve
• 12:00
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• 12:00
  put
• 12:00
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• 12:01
  stuff
• 12:01
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• 12:02
  for
• 12:02
  the
• 12:02
  times
• 12:02
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• 12:02
  aren't
• 12:03
  so
• 12:03
  well.
• 12:04
  And
• 12:04
  when
• 12:04
  things
• 12:05
  are
• 12:05
  really,
• 12:05
  really
• 12:06
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• 12:07
  it's
• 12:07
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• 12:07
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• 12:08
  to
• 12:08
  remember.
• 12:08
  Let
• 12:09
  me
• 12:09
  just
• 12:09
  have
• 12:09
  patience
• 12:10
  and
• 12:10
  hang
• 12:10
  in
• 12:10
  there
• 12:11
  because
• 12:12
  things
• 12:12
  will
• 12:12
  get
• 12:13
  better.
• 12:14
  And
• 12:14
  the
• 12:14
  proof
• 12:14
  of
• 12:14
  it
• 12:15
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• 12:16
  that
• 12:16
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• 12:16
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• 12:17
  has
• 12:18
  in
• 12:18
  our
• 12:19
  lives.
• 12:19
  There
• 12:20
  has
• 12:20
  never
• 12:20
  been,
• 12:21
  there
• 12:21
  has
• 12:22
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• 12:22
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• 12:22
  a
• 12:22
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• 12:22
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• 12:23
  your
• 12:23
  life
• 12:23
  when
• 12:23
  things
• 12:23
  have
• 12:24
  stayed
• 12:24
  wonderful.
• 12:25
  Yep.
• 12:26
  And
• 12:26
  there's
• 12:26
  never
• 12:26
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• 12:27
  a
• 12:27
  time
• 12:27
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• 12:27
  things,
• 12:28
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• 12:29
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• 12:29
  we
• 12:29
  get
• 12:30
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• 12:30
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• 12:30
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• 12:31
  They
• 12:31
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• 12:31
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• 12:32
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• 12:32
  a
• 12:32
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• 12:32
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• 12:32
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• 12:32
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• 12:33
  I
• 12:33
  agree.
• 12:34
  Right,
• 12:34
  right.
• 12:35
  And
• 12:35
  I
• 12:35
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• 12:36
  going
• 12:36
  to
• 12:36
  say
• 12:37
  in
• 12:37
  the
• 12:37
  cycle
• 12:37
  of
• 12:38
  our
• 12:38
  show,
• 12:38
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• 12:38
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• 12:38
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• 12:39
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• 12:39
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• 12:39
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• 12:39
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• 12:41
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• 12:41
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• 12:42
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• 12:42
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• 12:45
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• 12:47
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• 12:48
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• 12:50
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• 12:52
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• 12:54
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• 12:54
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• 12:55
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• 13:25
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  Conversation
• 13:27
  with
• 13:27
  Adam
• 13:28
  Dietz.
• 13:28
  Welcome.
• 13:29
  And
• 13:29
  we're
• 13:30
  talking
• 13:30
  with
• 13:30
  our
• 13:30
  guest,
• 13:31
  Bob
• 13:31
  Martin.
• 13:33
  And
• 13:33
  Bob,
• 13:34
  before
• 13:34
  the
• 13:34
  break,
• 13:35
  you
• 13:35
  were
• 13:35
  talking
• 13:36
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• 13:37
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• 13:37
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• 13:37
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• 13:37
  Hui
• 13:38
  Cheng
• 13:38
  Ni
• 13:38
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• 13:39
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• 13:39
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• 13:39
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• 13:40
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• 13:41
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• 13:42
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• 13:43
  Adam
• 13:43
  and
• 13:43
  I
• 13:43
  have
• 13:44
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• 13:44
  with
• 13:44
  a
• 13:45
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• 13:45
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• 13:45
  Yi
• 13:46
  Wu.
• 13:47
  And
• 13:48
  one
• 13:48
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• 13:49
  the
• 13:49
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• 13:49
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• 13:49
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• 13:50
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• 13:50
  was
• 13:51
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• 13:51
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• 13:51
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• 13:52
  me
• 13:53
  is
• 13:53
  that
• 13:53
  he
• 13:53
  said
• 13:54
  all
• 13:54
  of
• 13:54
  Chinese
• 13:54
  philosophy
• 13:55
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• 13:55
  be
• 13:56
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• 13:57
  to
• 13:57
  two
• 13:57
  terms,
• 13:59
  and
• 14:00
  it
• 14:00
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• 14:00
  sincerity
• 14:01
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• 14:01
  humility.
• 14:02
  And
• 14:03
  that
• 14:03
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• 14:03
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• 14:04
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• 14:04
  the
• 14:04
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• 14:05
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• 14:05
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• 14:05
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• 14:06
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• 14:06
  yin.
• 14:07
  So
• 14:08
  I
• 14:09
  really
• 14:09
  appreciate
• 14:10
  what
• 14:10
  your
• 14:10
  experience
• 14:11
  has
• 14:11
  been
• 14:11
  with
• 14:12
  the
• 14:12
  study
• 14:12
  of
• 14:12
  I
• 14:13
  Ching.
• 14:14
  I've
• 14:14
  been
• 14:14
  working
• 14:15
  with
• 14:15
  it
• 14:15
  since
• 14:15
  I
• 14:15
  was
• 14:15
  about
• 14:16
  17.
• 14:17
  And
• 14:18
  when
• 14:18
  I
• 14:18
  first
• 14:18
  approached
• 14:19
  it,
• 14:19
  I
• 14:19
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• 14:19
  well,
• 14:19
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• 14:20
  how
• 14:20
  is
• 14:20
  it
• 14:21
  possible
• 14:22
  that
• 14:22
  all
• 14:22
  of
• 14:22
  human
• 14:23
  life
• 14:23
  can
• 14:24
  be
• 14:25
  distilled
• 14:26
  into
• 14:26
  64
• 14:27
  situations
• 14:27
  or
• 14:28
  384
• 14:29
  lines?
• 14:30
  And
• 14:30
  I'm
• 14:30
  still
• 14:30
  tracking
• 14:31
  it.
• 14:31
  It's
• 14:32
  just
• 14:32
  extraordinary.
• 14:33
  Extraordinary.
• 14:34
  Yeah.
• 14:34
  And
• 14:34
  talk
• 14:35
  about
• 14:35
  your
• 14:36
  experience.
• 14:39
  Yeah.
• 14:41
  So
• 14:42
  after
• 14:42
  studying
• 14:43
  with
• 14:43
  him,
• 14:44
  I
• 14:45
  did
• 14:45
  run
• 14:45
  into
• 14:45
  a
• 14:46
  little
• 14:46
  trouble
• 14:47
  with
• 14:47
  my
• 14:47
  mob
• 14:49
  client.
• 14:49
  His
• 14:50
  son
• 14:50
  got
• 14:50
  arrested
• 14:51
  and
• 14:51
  at
• 14:51
  that
• 14:51
  point
• 14:52
  our
• 14:52
  agreement
• 14:53
  that
• 14:53
  I
• 14:53
  would
• 14:53
  not
• 14:54
  do
• 14:54
  anything
• 14:54
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• 14:55
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• 14:55
  unethical
• 14:56
  was
• 14:56
  voided
• 14:57
  by
• 14:57
  him.
• 14:58
  And
• 14:58
  so
• 14:59
  I
• 14:59
  thought
• 14:59
  that
• 14:59
  the
• 15:00
  best
• 15:00
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• 15:00
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• 15:00
  me
• 15:00
  to
• 15:00
  do
• 15:01
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• 15:01
  be
• 15:01
  to
• 15:01
  move
• 15:01
  to
• 15:01
  North
• 15:02
  Carolina.
• 15:04
  We
• 15:04
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• 15:04
  friends.
• 15:05
  There
• 15:05
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• 15:05
  no
• 15:06
  trouble.
• 15:06
  He
• 15:07
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• 15:07
  sometimes
• 15:08
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• 15:08
  man
• 15:08
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• 15:08
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• 15:08
  move
• 15:09
  on.
• 15:10
  And
• 15:11
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• 15:11
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• 15:11
  all
• 15:11
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• 15:12
  Got
• 15:12
  here
• 15:14
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• 15:16
  there
• 15:16
  aren't
• 15:17
  a
• 15:17
  lot
• 15:17
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• 15:17
  Dallas
• 15:18
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• 15:18
  North
• 15:18
  Carolina,
• 15:20
  but
• 15:20
  there
• 15:20
  are
• 15:20
  Buddhists.
• 15:21
  And
• 15:21
  so
• 15:21
  I
• 15:21
  started
• 15:22
  attending
• 15:22
  Buddhist
• 15:24
  gatherings
• 15:25
  and
• 15:25
  temples
• 15:25
  and
• 15:26
  the
• 15:26
  like.
• 15:26
  And
• 15:27
  Buddhism
• 15:27
  is
• 15:27
  a
• 15:28
  lot
• 15:28
  more
• 15:29
  meditative.
• 15:29
  Breath
• 15:30
  awareness,
• 15:30
  insight
• 15:31
  meditation,
• 15:32
  sitting
• 15:33
  meditation.
• 15:34
  And
• 15:34
  so
• 15:35
  I
• 15:35
  started
• 15:36
  taking
• 15:36
  up
• 15:36
  that
• 15:36
  practice.
• 15:37
  And
• 15:37
  after
• 15:37
  a
• 15:37
  few
• 15:38
  years,
• 15:38
  they
• 15:38
  came
• 15:38
  to
• 15:39
  me
• 15:39
  and
• 15:39
  they
• 15:39
  said,
• 15:39
  we'd
• 15:40
  like
• 15:40
  you
• 15:40
  to
• 15:40
  be
• 15:40
  a
• 15:40
  teacher.
• 15:41
  And
• 15:41
  would
• 15:42
  you
• 15:42
  go
• 15:42
  through
• 15:42
  the
• 15:43
  two
• 15:44
  year
• 15:45
  process
• 15:46
  of,
• 15:46
  of
• 15:47
  becoming
• 15:48
  a
• 15:48
  meditation
• 15:49
  teacher?
• 15:49
  And
• 15:49
  what
• 15:50
  was,
• 15:50
  what
• 15:50
  lineage
• 15:51
  of,
• 15:51
  of
• 15:51
  Buddhism
• 15:52
  was
• 15:52
  that?
• 15:52
  Was
• 15:52
  it
• 15:53
  Zen
• 15:53
  or
• 15:54
  insight
• 15:56
  Mahayana?
• 15:57
  Mahayana.
• 15:57
  Tibetan,
• 15:58
  Tibetan
• 15:59
  style.
• 15:59
  Oh,
• 16:00
  okay.
• 16:01
  Tibetan
• 16:02
  style.
• 16:02
  Insight
• 16:02
  meditation,
• 16:03
  breath
• 16:04
  awareness.
• 16:04
  Just
• 16:04
  the
• 16:05
  idea
• 16:05
  of
• 16:06
  paying
• 16:07
  attention
• 16:07
  to,
• 16:08
  you
• 16:08
  know,
• 16:08
  the
• 16:08
  focus
• 16:08
  of
• 16:09
  your
• 16:09
  attention,
• 16:09
  which
• 16:10
  is
• 16:10
  usually
• 16:10
  your
• 16:10
  breath.
• 16:12
  Seeing
• 16:12
  that
• 16:13
  your
• 16:13
  mind
• 16:13
  wanders,
• 16:14
  mind
• 16:15
  goes
• 16:15
  nuts,
• 16:16
  start
• 16:16
  thinking
• 16:16
  about.
• 16:17
  Everybody
• 16:17
  always
• 16:17
  thinks
• 16:18
  it's
• 16:18
  about
• 16:18
  your
• 16:19
  mind
• 16:19
  being
• 16:19
  quiet
• 16:20
  and
• 16:20
  like
• 16:21
  white
• 16:21
  noise,
• 16:22
  but
• 16:22
  it's
• 16:22
  not.
• 16:23
  It's
• 16:23
  about
• 16:23
  watching.
• 16:24
  Actually,
• 16:25
  the
• 16:26
  thing.
• 16:26
  Can
• 16:27
  I,
• 16:27
  can
• 16:27
  I
• 16:27
  talk
• 16:27
  about
• 16:28
  that
• 16:28
  for
• 16:28
  a
• 16:28
  moment?
• 16:28
  Please
• 16:28
  do,
• 16:29
  please
• 16:29
  do.
• 16:29
  Yeah,
• 16:30
  this
• 16:30
  is
• 16:30
  great,
• 16:30
  Bob,
• 16:31
  because
• 16:31
  these
• 16:31
  are
• 16:32
  themes
• 16:32
  that
• 16:32
  come
• 16:32
  up
• 16:32
  often
• 16:32
  on
• 16:33
  our
• 16:33
  show.
• 16:33
  And
• 16:33
  it's
• 16:33
  nice
• 16:34
  for
• 16:34
  our
• 16:34
  audience
• 16:34
  to
• 16:34
  hear
• 16:34
  it
• 16:35
  from
• 16:35
  a
• 16:35
  different
• 16:35
  perspective.
• 16:36
  Okay,
• 16:37
  so
• 16:38
  everybody
• 16:39
  has
• 16:39
  meditated.
• 16:40
  They
• 16:41
  just
• 16:41
  don't
• 16:41
  call
• 16:41
  it
• 16:42
  meditation.
• 16:43
  And
• 16:43
  the
• 16:43
  only
• 16:44
  difference
• 16:44
  is,
• 16:44
  is
• 16:44
  that
• 16:45
  they
• 16:45
  don't
• 16:45
  do
• 16:45
  it
• 16:45
  intentionally.
• 16:47
  So
• 16:47
  here,
• 16:48
  here
• 16:49
  is
• 16:49
  meditation.
• 16:51
  You're
• 16:51
  telling
• 16:51
  a
• 16:52
  joke
• 16:53
  and,
• 16:54
  you
• 16:54
  know,
• 16:54
  you're
• 16:55
  telling
• 16:55
  the
• 16:55
  story
• 16:55
  of
• 16:56
  the
• 16:56
  joke
• 16:56
  and
• 16:56
  you're
• 16:57
  thinking
• 16:57
  about.
• 16:57
  You're
• 16:58
  trying
• 16:58
  to
• 16:58
  remember
• 16:59
  the
• 16:59
  punchline
• 16:59
  so
• 17:00
  you're
• 17:00
  sure
• 17:00
  that
• 17:00
  you
• 17:00
  got
• 17:01
  it.
• 17:01
  So
• 17:02
  part
• 17:02
  of
• 17:02
  your
• 17:02
  mind
• 17:03
  is
• 17:03
  talking,
• 17:04
  part
• 17:04
  of
• 17:05
  your
• 17:05
  mind
• 17:05
  is
• 17:05
  making
• 17:06
  sure
• 17:06
  that
• 17:06
  you've
• 17:07
  got
• 17:07
  the
• 17:07
  next
• 17:07
  thing
• 17:08
  there.
• 17:09
  And
• 17:09
  then
• 17:09
  part
• 17:09
  of
• 17:09
  your
• 17:10
  mind
• 17:10
  is
• 17:10
  observing
• 17:11
  the
• 17:11
  people
• 17:12
  to
• 17:12
  evaluate
• 17:13
  whether
• 17:13
  they're
• 17:13
  getting
• 17:14
  it
• 17:14
  or
• 17:14
  they're
• 17:14
  not
• 17:14
  going
• 17:15
  to
• 17:15
  get
• 17:15
  it
• 17:15
  and
• 17:16
  say,
• 17:16
  oh,
• 17:16
  they're
• 17:16
  not
• 17:16
  getting
• 17:17
  it.
• 17:17
  I
• 17:17
  need
• 17:17
  to
• 17:18
  change
• 17:18
  up.
• 17:18
  And
• 17:18
  it's
• 17:19
  giving
• 17:19
  you
• 17:19
  a
• 17:19
  couple
• 17:19
  little
• 17:20
  hints
• 17:20
  about
• 17:21
  maybe
• 17:21
  slow
• 17:22
  down
• 17:22
  or
• 17:22
  they
• 17:23
  didn't
• 17:23
  get
• 17:23
  this
• 17:23
  or
• 17:24
  repeat
• 17:24
  that
• 17:24
  and.
• 17:25
  Or
• 17:25
  they're
• 17:26
  really
• 17:26
  into
• 17:26
  this.
• 17:26
  They're
• 17:27
  going
• 17:27
  to
• 17:27
  love
• 17:27
  this
• 17:27
  joke.
• 17:28
  So
• 17:28
  you
• 17:29
  have
• 17:29
  this
• 17:29
  commentary
• 17:30
  that's
• 17:31
  going
• 17:31
  on.
• 17:31
  I
• 17:32
  usually
• 17:32
  think
• 17:33
  of
• 17:33
  it
• 17:33
  like
• 17:34
  up
• 17:34
  here
• 17:34
  in
• 17:35
  the
• 17:35
  middle,
• 17:36
  left
• 17:38
  side.
• 17:38
  That's
• 17:39
  where
• 17:39
  I
• 17:39
  kind
• 17:39
  of
• 17:40
  hear
• 17:40
  it.
• 17:41
  But
• 17:41
  we
• 17:41
  all
• 17:42
  have.
• 17:42
  You've
• 17:42
  had
• 17:43
  that
• 17:43
  experience.
• 17:43
  You've
• 17:44
  had
• 17:44
  that
• 17:44
  experience.
• 17:44
  Yes,
• 17:45
  so.
• 17:46
  So
• 17:46
  meditation
• 17:47
  in
• 17:48
  my
• 17:48
  mind
• 17:48
  is
• 17:49
  nothing
• 17:49
  more
• 17:50
  than
• 17:51
  developing
• 17:51
  a
• 17:52
  relationship
• 17:52
  with
• 17:53
  that
• 17:53
  commentary
• 17:54
  voice,
• 17:55
  which
• 17:56
  we
• 17:56
  call
• 17:56
  the
• 17:56
  observer.
• 17:58
  And
• 17:59
  you'll
• 18:00
  notice
• 18:00
  if
• 18:01
  you.
• 18:01
  If
• 18:01
  you
• 18:02
  think
• 18:02
  about
• 18:02
  your
• 18:03
  experience
• 18:03
  of
• 18:04
  that
• 18:04
  voice,
• 18:05
  it's
• 18:05
  generally
• 18:06
  pretty
• 18:07
  neutral.
• 18:08
  It's
• 18:08
  commenting.
• 18:09
  It
• 18:09
  could
• 18:09
  be
• 18:10
  negative
• 18:10
  or
• 18:10
  positive,
• 18:11
  but
• 18:11
  in
• 18:12
  a
• 18:13
  unemotional,
• 18:14
  objective
• 18:15
  way.
• 18:15
  I
• 18:15
  mean,
• 18:16
  it
• 18:16
  might
• 18:16
  say,
• 18:16
  you
• 18:16
  know,
• 18:17
  oh,
• 18:17
  you're
• 18:17
  really
• 18:17
  screwing
• 18:18
  up
• 18:18
  here.
• 18:18
  But
• 18:19
  it's
• 18:19
  doing
• 18:19
  it
• 18:19
  from
• 18:20
  the
• 18:20
  perspective
• 18:20
  of
• 18:21
  some
• 18:21
  kind
• 18:21
  of
• 18:21
  neutrality,
• 18:22
  not
• 18:23
  criticism,
• 18:24
  you
• 18:24
  know,
• 18:25
  so
• 18:26
  that.
• 18:27
  That
• 18:28
  part
• 18:28
  of
• 18:28
  your
• 18:29
  mind
• 18:29
  which
• 18:30
  the
• 18:30
  scientists
• 18:30
  call
• 18:31
  metacognition
• 18:32
  or
• 18:32
  thinking
• 18:32
  about
• 18:33
  your
• 18:33
  thinking,
• 18:36
  is
• 18:37
  we
• 18:38
  can
• 18:38
  learn
• 18:40
  to
• 18:40
  become
• 18:40
  more
• 18:41
  familiar
• 18:41
  with
• 18:41
  it.
• 18:42
  We
• 18:43
  can
• 18:43
  learn
• 18:43
  to
• 18:44
  actually.
• 18:45
  And
• 18:45
  this
• 18:45
  is
• 18:45
  kind
• 18:46
  of
• 18:46
  like
• 18:46
  a
• 18:46
  physical
• 18:47
  thing.
• 18:48
  We
• 18:48
  can
• 18:49
  actually
• 18:50
  kind
• 18:50
  of.
• 18:50
  Even
• 18:51
  as
• 18:51
  we're
• 18:51
  talking,
• 18:52
  we
• 18:52
  can
• 18:52
  actually
• 18:52
  go
• 18:53
  and
• 18:53
  be
• 18:53
  there.
• 18:54
  Even
• 18:54
  when
• 18:55
  we're
• 18:55
  talking,
• 18:56
  we
• 18:56
  can
• 18:56
  learn
• 18:57
  to
• 18:57
  go
• 18:57
  there.
• 18:58
  And
• 18:58
  from
• 18:59
  there,
• 19:00
  it's
• 19:01
  like
• 19:01
  we're
• 19:01
  sitting
• 19:02
  on
• 19:02
  the
• 19:02
  bank
• 19:02
  of
• 19:02
  a
• 19:03
  river
• 19:03
  watching
• 19:04
  our
• 19:04
  life
• 19:04
  go
• 19:04
  by.
• 19:05
  And
• 19:05
  there's
• 19:06
  a
• 19:06
  certain
• 19:06
  stability
• 19:08
  to
• 19:08
  being
• 19:08
  there.
• 19:09
  Even
• 19:09
  if
• 19:09
  I'm
• 19:10
  emotional,
• 19:10
  even
• 19:10
  if
• 19:11
  I'm
• 19:11
  angry,
• 19:11
  even
• 19:12
  if
• 19:12
  I'm
• 19:12
  sad,
• 19:12
  even
• 19:13
  if
• 19:13
  something
• 19:13
  terrible
• 19:14
  is
• 19:14
  happening
• 19:15
  in
• 19:15
  my
• 19:15
  life,
• 19:17
  there's
• 19:18
  still
• 19:18
  a
• 19:19
  place
• 19:19
  where
• 19:20
  there's
• 19:20
  some
• 19:20
  stability.
• 19:21
  And
• 19:22
  when
• 19:22
  people
• 19:22
  talk
• 19:22
  about
• 19:23
  the
• 19:23
  woo
• 19:23
  we
• 19:24
  and
• 19:24
  the
• 19:24
  la
• 19:24
  la
• 19:25
  la
• 19:25
  kumbaya
• 19:26
  of
• 19:26
  meditation,
• 19:27
  for
• 19:27
  me,
• 19:28
  it's
• 19:28
  the
• 19:28
  ability
• 19:29
  to,
• 19:30
  no
• 19:30
  matter
• 19:30
  what's
• 19:30
  going
• 19:31
  on,
• 19:31
  retreat
• 19:32
  into
• 19:32
  this
• 19:32
  stability
• 19:34
  and
• 19:34
  be
• 19:34
  calm
• 19:35
  and
• 19:35
  evaluate
• 19:36
  calmly
• 19:37
  what's
• 19:37
  going
• 19:37
  on
• 19:38
  so
• 19:38
  I
• 19:38
  can
• 19:38
  choose
• 19:38
  my
• 19:39
  next
• 19:39
  act
• 19:40
  more
• 19:40
  effectively
• 19:41
  and
• 19:41
  efficiently.
• 19:42
  It
• 19:42
  gives
• 19:42
  you
• 19:42
  a
• 19:42
  sense
• 19:42
  of
• 19:43
  freedom,
• 19:43
  a
• 19:43
  sense
• 19:43
  of
• 19:43
  time
• 19:43
  and
• 19:44
  extra
• 19:44
  time
• 19:44
  and
• 19:44
  space.
• 19:45
  Is
• 19:45
  that.
• 19:46
  Is
• 19:46
  that
• 19:46
  accurate?
• 19:47
  I
• 19:47
  would
• 19:47
  say
• 19:48
  no.
• 19:48
  It's
• 19:48
  still
• 19:49
  very
• 19:49
  much
• 19:50
  right
• 19:50
  here
• 19:50
  and
• 19:50
  now.
• 19:52
  It's
• 19:52
  just
• 19:52
  stable
• 19:53
  and
• 19:53
  it's.
• 19:54
  It's
• 19:54
  neutral.
• 19:54
  And
• 19:55
  it's
• 19:55
  an
• 19:55
  observer
• 19:56
  I
• 19:56
  think
• 19:56
  of.
• 19:57
  Yeah,
• 19:57
  sorry.
• 19:57
  As
• 19:58
  you
• 19:58
  step
• 19:58
  back
• 19:58
  from
• 19:59
  your
• 19:59
  thinking,
• 19:59
  because
• 19:59
  so
• 20:00
  many
• 20:00
  of
• 20:00
  us
• 20:00
  are
• 20:00
  caught
• 20:00
  in
• 20:00
  our
• 20:01
  thinking,
• 20:01
  we
• 20:01
  never
• 20:01
  even
• 20:01
  step
• 20:02
  outside
• 20:02
  of
• 20:02
  it.
• 20:03
  As
• 20:03
  you
• 20:03
  step
• 20:03
  back
• 20:03
  from
• 20:04
  it
• 20:04
  and
• 20:04
  find
• 20:04
  a.
• 20:04
  A
• 20:05
  way
• 20:05
  to
• 20:05
  observe
• 20:05
  it,
• 20:06
  does
• 20:06
  that
• 20:06
  give
• 20:06
  you.
• 20:07
  Does
• 20:07
  that
• 20:08
  give
• 20:08
  you
• 20:08
  a
• 20:08
  sense
• 20:08
  of
• 20:08
  more
• 20:09
  freedom
• 20:09
  to.
• 20:09
  You're
• 20:10
  not
• 20:10
  caught
• 20:10
  up
• 20:10
  in
• 20:10
  the
• 20:11
  cycle?
• 20:12
  Yes.
• 20:12
  And
• 20:12
  yes,
• 20:16
  because
• 20:16
  you're
• 20:17
  still
• 20:18
  involved
• 20:18
  in
• 20:18
  the
• 20:18
  world
• 20:19
  in
• 20:19
  that
• 20:19
  front
• 20:20
  part
• 20:20
  of
• 20:20
  your
• 20:20
  mind.
• 20:21
  So
• 20:21
  that
• 20:22
  time
• 20:22
  is
• 20:23
  going
• 20:23
  according
• 20:24
  to
• 20:24
  regular
• 20:25
  time.
• 20:26
  That
• 20:27
  other
• 20:27
  part,
• 20:27
  when
• 20:28
  you
• 20:28
  go
• 20:28
  and
• 20:28
  you're
• 20:29
  there,
• 20:29
  it's
• 20:29
  almost
• 20:30
  like
• 20:30
  it's
• 20:30
  timeless.
• 20:31
  Like
• 20:31
  you're
• 20:31
  floating,
• 20:32
  like
• 20:32
  you're.
• 20:33
  You're.
• 20:33
  You're
• 20:34
  not
• 20:34
  urged,
• 20:35
  you're
• 20:35
  not
• 20:35
  pressured,
• 20:36
  you're
• 20:36
  not
• 20:36
  pushed.
• 20:37
  Yeah.
• 20:38
  So
• 20:38
  there's
• 20:38
  a
• 20:38
  feeling
• 20:39
  of
• 20:39
  timelessness.
• 20:42
  And
• 20:43
  I
• 20:43
  just
• 20:44
  started
• 20:45
  a
• 20:45
  new
• 20:45
  class
• 20:45
  at
• 20:46
  Elon
• 20:46
  university.
• 20:47
  I
• 20:47
  get
• 20:47
  17
• 20:48
  students
• 20:48
  every
• 20:48
  semester,
• 20:49
  and
• 20:49
  we
• 20:49
  start
• 20:50
  from
• 20:50
  scratch.
• 20:51
  They
• 20:51
  all
• 20:51
  come
• 20:51
  in
• 20:52
  with
• 20:54
  perfectionism.
• 20:55
  They
• 20:55
  come
• 20:56
  in
• 20:56
  with
• 20:56
  people
• 20:56
  pleasing.
• 20:57
  They
• 20:57
  come
• 20:58
  in
• 20:58
  with
• 20:58
  all
• 20:59
  kinds
• 20:59
  of
• 20:59
  stress
• 21:00
  and
• 21:01
  the
• 21:01
  like,
• 21:01
  dopamine
• 21:02
  addiction
• 21:02
  from
• 21:03
  their
• 21:03
  phones.
• 21:03
  Huh?
• 21:04
  Addiction
• 21:05
  from
• 21:05
  their
• 21:05
  phones.
• 21:06
  And
• 21:06
  they
• 21:07
  come
• 21:07
  into
• 21:07
  the
• 21:07
  class
• 21:07
  like
• 21:08
  that.
• 21:08
  And
• 21:09
  just
• 21:09
  yesterday
• 21:10
  when
• 21:10
  we
• 21:10
  had
• 21:11
  class,
• 21:12
  had
• 21:12
  an
• 21:13
  interesting
• 21:13
  comment.
• 21:15
  She
• 21:15
  said,
• 21:17
  yeah,
• 21:19
  I
• 21:19
  formed
• 21:19
  the
• 21:19
  intention
• 21:20
  to
• 21:20
  pay
• 21:20
  attention
• 21:21
  to
• 21:21
  my
• 21:21
  breath,
• 21:22
  and
• 21:22
  then
• 21:22
  my
• 21:22
  mind
• 21:23
  wanders
• 21:24
  and
• 21:25
  I
• 21:25
  get
• 21:25
  that
• 21:26
  place
• 21:26
  you're
• 21:27
  talking
• 21:27
  about.
• 21:27
  But
• 21:28
  I
• 21:28
  kind
• 21:28
  of
• 21:28
  felt
• 21:29
  a
• 21:29
  little
• 21:29
  bit
• 21:30
  nauseous.
• 21:32
  I
• 21:32
  felt.
• 21:32
  I
• 21:32
  felt
• 21:33
  uncomfortable.
• 21:34
  I
• 21:35
  felt
• 21:35
  dizzy.
• 21:36
  She
• 21:36
  was
• 21:36
  trying
• 21:36
  to
• 21:36
  describe
• 21:37
  what
• 21:37
  her
• 21:37
  feeling
• 21:38
  was,
• 21:38
  and
• 21:38
  I
• 21:39
  never
• 21:39
  had
• 21:39
  heard
• 21:40
  that
• 21:40
  before,
• 21:40
  but
• 21:40
  when
• 21:41
  she
• 21:41
  said
• 21:41
  it,
• 21:41
  what
• 21:41
  I
• 21:42
  got
• 21:42
  was
• 21:43
  just
• 21:44
  like,
• 21:44
  if
• 21:44
  I'm
• 21:45
  standing
• 21:47
  on
• 21:48
  the
• 21:48
  ground
• 21:48
  talking,
• 21:49
  and
• 21:50
  then
• 21:50
  all
• 21:50
  of
• 21:50
  a
• 21:50
  sudden,
• 21:51
  I'm
• 21:51
  five
• 21:52
  feet
• 21:52
  on
• 21:52
  the
• 21:52
  roof
• 21:53
  of
• 21:53
  a
• 21:53
  building
• 21:54
  five
• 21:54
  stories
• 21:54
  up,
• 21:56
  I'm
• 21:56
  going
• 21:56
  to
• 21:56
  feel
• 21:57
  disoriented.
• 21:59
  And
• 21:59
  she
• 21:59
  actually
• 22:00
  had
• 22:00
  gone
• 22:00
  to
• 22:00
  a
• 22:01
  place
• 22:01
  cognitively,
• 22:02
  in
• 22:02
  a
• 22:03
  different
• 22:03
  place,
• 22:05
  but
• 22:05
  only
• 22:05
  cognitively.
• 22:06
  But
• 22:07
  she
• 22:07
  had
• 22:07
  the
• 22:07
  same
• 22:08
  sense
• 22:08
  of
• 22:08
  disorientation
• 22:10
  that
• 22:10
  I
• 22:10
  am
• 22:11
  not
• 22:11
  in
• 22:11
  my
• 22:11
  normal
• 22:12
  place.
• 22:13
  Wow.
• 22:13
  And
• 22:13
  that
• 22:13
  was
• 22:14
  a
• 22:14
  beautiful,
• 22:14
  beautiful
• 22:15
  thing,
• 22:15
  because
• 22:16
  I
• 22:16
  knew
• 22:16
  at
• 22:16
  that
• 22:17
  moment
• 22:17
  that
• 22:17
  she
• 22:17
  got
• 22:17
  it.
• 22:18
  Yeah.
• 22:18
  And
• 22:18
  that
• 22:19
  was
• 22:19
  only
• 22:19
  after
• 22:19
  two
• 22:20
  weeks
• 22:20
  of
• 22:20
  practice.
• 22:20
  Wow.
• 22:21
  Yeah.
• 22:22
  That's
• 22:23
  really
• 22:23
  interesting.
• 22:23
  It's
• 22:23
  like
• 22:24
  spiritual
• 22:24
  vertigo.
• 22:26
  Yes,
• 22:27
  yes,
• 22:27
  yes.
• 22:28
  Spiritual
• 22:29
  vertigo.
• 22:29
  Wonderful.
• 22:30
  Yeah,
• 22:30
  I
• 22:31
  love
• 22:31
  that.
• 22:31
  And
• 22:31
  it's
• 22:32
  something
• 22:32
  that
• 22:33
  most
• 22:34
  people
• 22:34
  in
• 22:34
  our
• 22:35
  western
• 22:35
  culture
• 22:35
  with
• 22:36
  all
• 22:36
  of
• 22:36
  the
• 22:36
  media
• 22:37
  input
• 22:38
  are
• 22:38
  just
• 22:39
  not
• 22:39
  familiar
• 22:39
  with.
• 22:39
  I'm,
• 22:40
  I'm
• 22:41
  continually
• 22:42
  concerned
• 22:42
  with
• 22:44
  my
• 22:44
  students
• 22:44
  that
• 22:45
  are
• 22:47
  18
• 22:47
  and
• 22:47
  19
• 22:48
  year
• 22:48
  old
• 22:48
  freshmen
• 22:48
  and
• 22:49
  sophomores
• 22:49
  come
• 22:49
  in
• 22:49
  and
• 22:50
  they're,
• 22:51
  they're
• 22:52
  just,
• 22:52
  they've
• 22:52
  been
• 22:52
  pulled
• 22:53
  into
• 22:53
  their
• 22:53
  phones
• 22:53
  since
• 22:53
  many
• 22:54
  of
• 22:54
  them
• 22:54
  were
• 22:54
  12.
• 22:56
  And
• 22:56
  it's,
• 22:56
  it's
• 22:57
  really
• 22:57
  a,
• 22:58
  you
• 22:58
  know,
• 22:59
  how
• 22:59
  do
• 22:59
  you,
• 23:00
  how
• 23:00
  do
• 23:00
  you
• 23:00
  assist
• 23:01
  in
• 23:03
  making
• 23:04
  space
• 23:04
  for
• 23:04
  them
• 23:05
  to
• 23:05
  find
• 23:05
  their
• 23:05
  way
• 23:05
  out?
• 23:06
  I
• 23:07
  think
• 23:07
  that
• 23:07
  you're
• 23:07
  being
• 23:07
  very
• 23:08
  gracious
• 23:09
  to
• 23:09
  say
• 23:09
  12.
• 23:11
  Yeah,
• 23:11
  well,
• 23:12
  I
• 23:12
  do
• 23:12
  a
• 23:12
  survey.
• 23:13
  The
• 23:13
  earliest
• 23:14
  ones
• 23:15
  have
• 23:15
  gotten
• 23:15
  their
• 23:16
  phones
• 23:16
  at
• 23:17
  7,
• 23:18
  you
• 23:18
  know,
• 23:19
  7.
• 23:20
  But
• 23:20
  how
• 23:20
  about
• 23:20
  their,
• 23:21
  how
• 23:21
  about
• 23:21
  their
• 23:24
  iPads?
• 23:24
  Yeah,
• 23:25
  how
• 23:25
  about
• 23:25
  the
• 23:26
  little
• 23:26
  iPads?
• 23:26
  I
• 23:27
  mean,
• 23:27
  they
• 23:27
  wouldn't
• 23:27
  make
• 23:28
  iPads
• 23:28
  with
• 23:29
  Sesame
• 23:29
  street
• 23:30
  borders
• 23:31
  around
• 23:32
  them
• 23:32
  if
• 23:32
  they
• 23:32
  weren't
• 23:33
  for
• 23:33
  three
• 23:33
  and
• 23:33
  four
• 23:34
  year
• 23:34
  olds.
• 23:35
  So
• 23:36
  that's
• 23:36
  really,
• 23:36
  it's
• 23:37
  really
• 23:37
  changed
• 23:38
  the
• 23:38
  way
• 23:39
  that
• 23:39
  the
• 23:39
  brains
• 23:39
  have
• 23:40
  developed
• 23:40
  for
• 23:40
  these
• 23:40
  young
• 23:41
  people.
• 23:41
  And
• 23:41
  it's
• 23:42
  really,
• 23:43
  I
• 23:44
  can
• 23:44
  appreciate
• 23:44
  how
• 23:45
  your
• 23:45
  student
• 23:48
  really
• 23:48
  experienced
• 23:49
  a
• 23:49
  sense
• 23:49
  of
• 23:49
  disorientation
• 23:50
  with
• 23:50
  that.
• 23:51
  Yeah.
• 23:52
  So
• 23:53
  anyway,
• 23:53
  continue,
• 23:54
  please.
• 23:54
  Well,
• 23:54
  I
• 23:54
  think
• 23:55
  that
• 23:55
  it,
• 23:55
  it
• 23:55
  would,
• 23:56
  it's
• 23:56
  helpful
• 23:57
  if,
• 23:59
  if
• 24:00
  we
• 24:00
  chat
• 24:01
  at
• 24:01
  some
• 24:01
  point,
• 24:02
  either
• 24:02
  now
• 24:02
  or
• 24:02
  in
• 24:03
  the
• 24:03
  future
• 24:04
  about,
• 24:04
  you
• 24:04
  know,
• 24:05
  the
• 24:05
  evolutionary
• 24:06
  process
• 24:06
  that
• 24:07
  human
• 24:07
  beings
• 24:08
  are
• 24:09
  and
• 24:10
  why
• 24:11
  we
• 24:11
  have
• 24:12
  to
• 24:13
  intentionally
• 24:14
  adjust
• 24:15
  our
• 24:16
  thinking
• 24:18
  because
• 24:18
  we're
• 24:18
  simply
• 24:19
  not
• 24:20
  the
• 24:20
  animal
• 24:22
  that
• 24:22
  we
• 24:23
  have
• 24:23
  evolved.
• 24:24
  I
• 24:24
  mean,
• 24:25
  what
• 24:26
  we
• 24:26
  are
• 24:26
  living
• 24:26
  in
• 24:27
  is
• 24:27
  not
• 24:28
  the
• 24:28
  environment
• 24:29
  that
• 24:29
  we
• 24:29
  evolved
• 24:30
  to
• 24:30
  be
• 24:30
  in.
• 24:32
  Say
• 24:33
  a
• 24:33
  little
• 24:33
  more
• 24:33
  about
• 24:33
  that
• 24:33
  if
• 24:34
  you
• 24:34
  would.
• 24:34
  Sure.
• 24:36
  So
• 24:36
  for
• 24:36
  1,790,000
• 24:39
  years,
• 24:40
  or
• 24:41
  89,500
• 24:44
  or
• 24:44
  so
• 24:44
  generations,
• 24:46
  we
• 24:46
  evolved
• 24:47
  and
• 24:48
  we
• 24:48
  evolved
• 24:48
  as
• 24:48
  hunter
• 24:49
  gatherers.
• 24:50
  We
• 24:50
  evolved
• 24:51
  in
• 24:51
  a
• 24:51
  place
• 24:52
  where
• 24:52
  our
• 24:52
  minds
• 24:53
  had
• 24:53
  to
• 24:53
  constantly
• 24:54
  scan
• 24:55
  for
• 24:56
  danger.
• 24:57
  And
• 24:57
  we
• 24:57
  also
• 24:58
  evolved
• 24:58
  in
• 24:58
  a
• 24:58
  place
• 24:59
  where
• 24:59
  work
• 24:59
  was
• 24:59
  very
• 25:00
  hard
• 25:01
  and
• 25:01
  fat,
• 25:02
  salt
• 25:02
  and
• 25:04
  sugar
• 25:04
  was
• 25:05
  very
• 25:05
  rare.
• 25:06
  So
• 25:07
  we
• 25:07
  developed
• 25:07
  a
• 25:08
  craving
• 25:09
  for
• 25:09
  fat
• 25:10
  and
• 25:10
  sugar
• 25:11
  and
• 25:11
  anything
• 25:11
  that
• 25:11
  was
• 25:12
  sweet,
• 25:12
  we
• 25:12
  would
• 25:13
  go
• 25:13
  after.
• 25:14
  And
• 25:14
  if
• 25:14
  we
• 25:14
  could
• 25:14
  kill
• 25:14
  a
• 25:15
  boar
• 25:15
  and
• 25:15
  eat
• 25:15
  that
• 25:16
  fat,
• 25:16
  we'd
• 25:16
  slop
• 25:17
  it
• 25:17
  up.
• 25:19
  And
• 25:19
  salt
• 25:20
  as
• 25:20
  well.
• 25:21
  Now
• 25:22
  that's
• 25:22
  the
• 25:22
  creature
• 25:23
  that
• 25:23
  we
• 25:23
  are,
• 25:24
  that's
• 25:25
  the
• 25:25
  animal
• 25:25
  we
• 25:26
  are.
• 25:26
  Because
• 25:26
  we've
• 25:26
  only
• 25:26
  been
• 25:27
  out
• 25:27
  of
• 25:27
  agriculture
• 25:28
  for
• 25:28
  500
• 25:28
  generations.
• 25:29
  Not
• 25:30
  enough
• 25:30
  time
• 25:30
  to
• 25:31
  evolve.
• 25:31
  And
• 25:31
  agriculture
• 25:32
  is
• 25:32
  kind
• 25:32
  of
• 25:32
  the
• 25:33
  split
• 25:33
  point.
• 25:34
  That's
• 25:34
  where
• 25:34
  we
• 25:34
  turned
• 25:35
  from
• 25:35
  roaming
• 25:36
  to
• 25:37
  having
• 25:37
  homes.
• 25:39
  And
• 25:39
  so
• 25:40
  we
• 25:40
  haven't
• 25:40
  had
• 25:40
  time
• 25:41
  to
• 25:41
  evolve
• 25:41
  since
• 25:41
  then.
• 25:42
  So
• 25:42
  now
• 25:42
  when
• 25:43
  you
• 25:43
  get
• 25:43
  more
• 25:43
  fat,
• 25:44
  more
• 25:44
  sugar
• 25:44
  and
• 25:45
  more
• 25:45
  Salt
• 25:45
  at
• 25:46
  a
• 25:46
  McDonald's
• 25:46
  Happy
• 25:46
  Meal
• 25:47
  than
• 25:47
  we
• 25:47
  used
• 25:47
  to
• 25:47
  get
• 25:48
  in
• 25:48
  the
• 25:48
  jungle
• 25:49
  in
• 25:49
  a
• 25:49
  month.
• 25:50
  And
• 25:50
  we
• 25:50
  are
• 25:51
  designed
• 25:51
  to
• 25:51
  crave
• 25:52
  that.
• 25:54
  Is
• 25:54
  there
• 25:54
  that's
• 25:55
  been
• 25:55
  taken
• 25:56
  advantage
• 25:56
  of
• 25:56
  by
• 25:57
  the
• 25:57
  large
• 25:57
  food
• 25:58
  companies.
• 25:58
  Sure,
• 25:59
  we
• 25:59
  have.
• 25:59
  No
• 26:00
  wonder.
• 26:00
  No
• 26:00
  wonder
• 26:01
  we
• 26:01
  have
• 26:01
  an
• 26:01
  obesity
• 26:02
  epidemic.
• 26:03
  Right.
• 26:03
  We
• 26:03
  have
• 26:04
  to
• 26:04
  take
• 26:04
  a
• 26:04
  short
• 26:04
  break.
• 26:06
  I'm
• 26:06
  Anthony
• 26:06
  Wright
• 26:07
  and
• 26:07
  I
• 26:07
  am
• 26:07
  your
• 26:07
  co
• 26:08
  host
• 26:08
  today
• 26:09
  on
• 26:09
  the
• 26:09
  Living
• 26:09
  Conversation
• 26:10
  with
• 26:10
  Adam
• 26:11
  Dietz.
• 26:11
  Thanks
• 26:12
  for
• 26:12
  joining.
• 26:12
  And
• 26:13
  we
• 26:13
  are
• 26:13
  talking
• 26:13
  with
• 26:14
  our
• 26:14
  guest,
• 26:14
  Bob
• 26:15
  Martin.
• 26:15
  And
• 26:15
  how
• 26:15
  can
• 26:15
  people
• 26:16
  contact
• 26:16
  you,
• 26:16
  Bob.
• 26:18
  Iambob
• 26:19
  martin,
• 26:19
  @gmail.com
• 26:21
  or
• 26:22
  at
• 26:22
  my
• 26:22
  website,
• 26:23
  awiseandhappylife.
• 26:25
  Com.
• 26:26
  Great.
• 26:27
  All
• 26:27
  right.
• 26:27
  We're
• 26:27
  going
• 26:27
  to
• 26:27
  take
• 26:27
  a
• 26:27
  short
• 26:28
  break
• 26:28
  and
• 26:28
  be
• 26:28
  right
• 26:28
  back.
• 26:29
  So
• 26:29
  stay
• 26:29
  tuned.