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Inoue and Benavidez win big · Boxing B-Sides

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  The news is light. Floyd Mayweather facing a
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  passport revocation over owing 7 .25 mil to the
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  IRS. Holy poopy. Yeah. Floyd being so fucking
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  broke after making so much money baffles my mind.
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  Like, just pay your taxes, dude. I saw a very
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  interesting, I'm pretty sure it was in the patron
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  chat, of our beloved Discord that, like, it checks
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  out because I've heard of Al Heyman doing this,
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  where Al Heyman basically sets up a sort of,
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  like, supervised trust or, like, guardrails for
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  these irresponsible as fuck fighters. But you
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  know how he got sick, like, a couple years back,
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  right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm assuming those
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  guardrails or whatever, trust was just, the oversight
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  was not there on whatever safety net was set
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  up for Floyd in this case. And he wasted all
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  that shit pretty much instantly. Dude was a 1
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  .6. billion dollar fighter like his career list
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  like his earnings reported earnings 1 .6 bill
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  how do you fuck that up how do you blow a billion
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  dollars like and i mean floyd isn't actually
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  broke he can sell some of his watches and shit
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  at a loss and pay this off pretty quick but i
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  don't know it's just It makes sense how he went
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  broke because you just make stupid investments.
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  A lot of his investments were not cheap and they
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  required ongoing money. It's like when you have
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  a bunch of subscriptions and you just stick them
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  to a credit card and you don't check your credit
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  card statement. And you just pay the minimum.
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  For a billion dollars, Josh? Yeah, like a strip
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  club in Vegas that you have to build from scratch,
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  continually pay everyone for, pay the rent. It's
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  a strip club. Strip clubs should make money.
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  It doesn't make money. None of his businesses
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  make money. And that's only one business venture.
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  How do you fuck up that often and not quit trying?
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  Well, that's why Al Heyman had the guardrails,
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  right? Because, like, you have that much money,
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  you think it's never going to run out, and then
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  you run out of money, and then look like you're
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  fucked. But, like, my broke ass cannot fathom
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  this. Spending money like that, I don't, I don't,
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  it breaks my brain. I don't understand. It's
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  a world we cannot even imagine. But, like, think
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  of it as if you right now, you have a bunch of
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  subscriptions for bullshit. Like, every subscription
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  you see, you sign up for. But why would you do
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  that? That's more my point. Because you can afford
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  it right now. Like, you can afford it. But how
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  do you make so many bad decisions? Well, because
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  you don't think of it as, like, oh, my God, this
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  was a bad choice. It'll cost me. It's, oh, chalk
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  it. It'll make money eventually. That's so stupid.
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  It's really stupid. But then again, this is a
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  guy who you have to remember, he can't read.
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  I think this is the heart of the problem. He
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  can't read. And he gets punched in the head for
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  a living. And his entourage was always huge.
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  And you have to pay those guys. You have to remember
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  how Muhammad Ali went broke, too. He had to pay
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  all his entourage his entire career and went
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  broke. How do you not eventually realize that
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  you're making so many bad decisions? Like, okay,
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  I don't understand these contracts. I'll pay
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  somebody to understand the contracts. Part of
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  it is just arrogance, too. Because when you have
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  the guardrail, you can just lean over the edge
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  and the guardrail will catch you. Yeah. The guardrail's
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  gone, you're just gonna fall off, which is what
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  happened. It's fucking crazy. It's stupid. It's
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  really stupid because we have learned to manage
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  our money because we do not have a billion dollars.
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  Floyd Mayweather Jr., specifically, never had
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  to learn how to manage his money. He was a child
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  prodigy getting sponsorships at age 13. I don't
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  understand how you could be this nonchalant about
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  money that you blow literally a billion dollars.
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  It's crazy. Especially because you know the big
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  thing, probably the biggest killer about the
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  failed businesses isn't even that they don't
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  make money and you have to pay everyone, you
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  have to pay rent, you have to pay the property
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  tax on them. Which is why the IRS is after him.
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  Like, I'm guessing it's not unpaid taxes from
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  his fights, because Al Heyman deducts the tax
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  from them and then gives you your smaller check,
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  relatively. And apparently stole $350 billion,
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  allegedly. Stole, question mark? Like, the big
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  thing here is property tax. Because, like, let's
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  be real. I'm going to say Mikey Garcia is our
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  golden example here. He bought a bunch of properties
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  in Texas where there is zero property tax. So
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  those properties, it doesn't matter if he loses
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  money on the business side of them, the biggest
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  aspect of owning a property doesn't bite him
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  in the ass ever. Yeah. Floyd went to Nevada and
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  New York and Europe and he bought a bunch of
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  properties. for businesses that didn't work that
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  he's still stuck paying property tax for so it's
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  like it's many layers of stupidity but the thing
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  is that like the failing business is something
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  that you see the property tax is something that
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  you you don't see if you don't you should see
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  that you don't see it if you don't hire an accountant
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  Why the fuck did Floyd Mayweather not hire an
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  accountant that can explain to him? Hubris. He
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  believes that he is capable of managing it himself.
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  Yeah, like, he's managed it until now as if Heyman
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  didn't manage the entire Money Mayweather era.
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  But, like, again, you have to remember, Heyman
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  doesn't say, I'm giving you an allowance. The
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  system around you is set up so you can take money
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  out but you're not allowed to waste it all on
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  stupid shit. So it's not visible. It doesn't
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  register to some guys. This doesn't make sense
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  to me and I don't think I can make it make sense.
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  It's just so far from how I am. We are just broke.
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  I don't hate to say it. We're never going to
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  be that rich. 1 .6 but even if i was that rich
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  i can't imagine not having an accountant to tell
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  me how my money's doing but that's because you've
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  always existed in like having to be aware of
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  it you had to learn fiscal responsibility and
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  math and literacy and you have to go to school
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  and then so like if at this point right now you
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  gain the billion dollars you'd be very well equipped
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  to use it but i'm saying if age 13 you're making
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  thousands and then age 20 you're making millions
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  and then age 30 you're at that hundred tens of
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  millions mark yeah money money's a non -issue
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  if you notice money's a non -object at each point
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  in your life here yeah it the way you explain
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  it makes sense but i can't imagine that i don't
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  have a good enough imagination to be like oh
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  yeah it's $10 million? What the fuck is that?
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  No, like, you're not stupid, which is good. It's
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  just plain and simple. You're not stupid, which
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  is good. It's not an indictment on your character.
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  It's just, like, you kind of need to put yourself
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  in the shoes of somebody where money has never
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  been an object. Like, think of a cat who has
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  an infinite food bowl. Like, you just have, like,
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  infinite food bowl. And then one day it's just
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  empty because the fucking trough is empty. Yeah.
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  I wonder what this means for his exhibition fight
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  in Greece, though. He's going to have to take
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  them. He has to take these things now. He has
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  to take these things. Right, but if he can't
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  get a passport, do they move it to Vegas? What
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  do they do with it? The thing is that the IRS
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  will, like... do anything to let you to help
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  you pay back so they'll probably send him over
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  with some marshals like he'll be basically under
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  house arrest but they'll give him the work they'll
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  give him a temporary wages yeah like temporary
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  visa you send him over like basically on house
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  arrest to make the money to pay them and come
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  back fucking ridiculous the irs does not fuck
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  around no you you never beat the irs you can
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  be you can be uh like a bootlegger back in the
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  prohibition times you could be a drug dealer
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  today as long as the tax man gets their cut they
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  don't give a shit how you yeah like literally
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  like literally that's who got out uh right yeah
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  and the contrast the whole like fake italic fake
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  mattress store fake italian restaurant like cosa
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  nostra shell schemes were just to keep the tax
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  men happy. Yeah. Because as long as these members
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  are... They have to get them on drug charges
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  and other charges because the IRS will not cooperate
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  if they're kept in good standing. You feed the
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  tax men. They don't give a shit how you do it.
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  The way they got Al Capone wasn't even... They
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  investigated him and found... No. pay and found
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  whatever it was entirely hey we're not he's not
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  paying his taxes and the irs did the whole investigation
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  broke him up yeah no that's what he went to jail
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  for was tax evasion tax evasion that's like they're
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  gonna they're gonna garnish your fucking wages
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  and he has to take whatever fights he can get
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  now which means it's gonna be a very hilarious
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  couple years of like Floyd exhibitions. Not even
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  Floyd exhibitions because he already dried up
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  the market for those. It's going to be Floyd
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  Mayweather, the 154 contender. Yeah, the Pacquiao
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  fight is a full sanctioned bout. Yeah, like Floyd
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  Mayweather, the welterweight, super welterweight
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  contender in this era of super welterweights,
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  by the way. Boots eats him alive. Like, imagine,
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  let's be real, like, Ryan Garcia, Floyd Mayweather
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  is a, if he could make the weight and, like,
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  get a ranking, which it's the WBC. Of course
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  he can. Suleiman's fucking on his knees giving
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  him a ranking already. That's not what I would
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  expect him to be on his knees for, for Floyd
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  Mayweather. Yeah, like, Floyd Ryan Garcia is
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  Floyd's best bet at getting out of bankruptcy.
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  Fucking ridiculous. It's going to be a very interesting...
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  And you know what? We can have even more fun
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  hypothesizing. What if Roley beats him? Because
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  Roley's also a tight list at the waist. Roley
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  decks Floyd the same way he did Ryan. Roley with
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  the steel chair after the IRS takes him out.
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  Like, that's what I'm saying. Like, this could
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  be a very funny couple years because the exhibition
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  money is gone. He already, like, he already went
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  through all the exhibition circuit and, like,
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  clearly it wasn't enough money. It's never gonna
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  be enough money if he spends like this. Yeah,
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  but it's just that clearly, like, there's no
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  interest in them anymore. He has to actually
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  fight. Fucking crazy. At 50 years old. Goodness
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  gracious. The thing is that the ideal league
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  for an unk status fighter is Zufa, but Zufa isn't
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  going to pay him. No, not what he needs. Not
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  what he needs, not what he wants, and especially
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  not after Floyd basically destroyed TKO's biggest
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  ever star. If you remember, Connor never came
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  back properly after the whole... Oh, McGregor.
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  Yeah, McGregor. Yeah, yeah. Like, he destroyed...
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  Like, that was TKO's biggest ever star. And,
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  like... So, like, clearly Dana and... Dana and
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  TKO still hold a grudge. So... Hilarious times.
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  He's stuck having to actually contend and fight
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  real fights after Pacquiao. Oh no. It's funny.
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  It's probably funnier if he wins them too. What
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  does that say about some of the guys that he's
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  winning? That a 50 year old man is... Beating
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  your ass? 50 -year -old Mayweather wins a world
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  title before Virgil Ortiz might feed families.
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  Saul, if you're listening, you wipe your tears,
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  man. Think about it. It's just going to be so...
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  It's just... There's some things in boxing that
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  you just have to hope for funniest possible outcome.
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  Because it's either sad or mildly amusing. Otherwise,
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  you just have to hope for funniest outcome. Mayweather
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  losing his O to Pacquiao would also be one of
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  my favorite things. No, imagine stopping Pacquiao
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  and then Rowling takes your O. That would be
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  funnier, but also I just want Pacquiao to do
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  it. It would be poetic justice for Pacquiao to
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  do it. Yeah. See, the problem is that Pacquiao
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  would do it and then immediately be like, alright
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  guys, let's fight for another world title and
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  then it's not Mario Barrios. No, no, but like,
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  Pacquiao takes Mayweather's O and then loses
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  to Raleigh. That's sad, though. No, that's just
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  funny. It's not as funny. It's funnier if it's
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  Ryan Garcia because... I don't like Ryan Garcia.
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  Yeah, but Ryan during the build -up would say
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  some fucking nonsense. He would. I feel like
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  Roley, for all his sins, is rather restrained.
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  He's actually pretty sharp. I actually don't
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  dislike Roley. He just sucks. But he's pretty
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  sharp. But he obviously doesn't suck that bad.
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  No, he sucks pretty bad. It's Welterweight. He's
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  pretty awful. He's pretty fucking terrible. I
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  had to watch him like Rob Jackson. He's got more
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  world titles than you. And Virgil. I had to watch
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  him Rob Jackson Marina is only for Richard Comey
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  to like break Marina's jaw with the slowest right
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  hand I've seen in my entire life. I also like
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  Comey. Rolly's not great. He's not even good,
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  but he's sharp. He's pretty sharp on the mic,
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  and he's funny. He's funny to watch fight because
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  you get the little Eric Cartman noises that they
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  turn up the fight noise for. That's what I'm
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  saying. That's the fun part. Let's roll on. We'll
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  talk about the fight in a moment, but Turkey
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  wants Usyk versus Benavidez in 2027. I am shaking
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  my head fucking no, man. That's disgusting. Where?
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  I would want to see it, but it's disgusting.
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  Considering, like, I would rather see it than
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  his current circus fight. Dubois 3, Fury 3, AJ
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  3. Like, at least it's a new guy where, like...
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  We'll get into it later. A little later. But
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  I was just like, that performance is fucking
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  terrifying. It's not... Actually, if you think
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  about it, it's not a bad fight. No, like, it's
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  not... Honestly, like, the weight jump is about
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  the same. It's less than what Benavidez just
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  jumped up. But also, I think Usyk could still
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  make 200 if they want to make it a cruiserweight
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  fight. Usyk has notoriously complained during
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  his heavyweight campaign that aside from being
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  away from his family, the worst part of camp
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  is how much he has to eat to maintain 220. I
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  think they could make an Usyk Benavidez cruiserweight
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  fight, and it wouldn't be ridiculous. No, Usyk
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  wouldn't be drained. No. Because, like, he...
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  Yeah. This is also a circus fight in its own
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  way. Yeah. Like, it's a very Roy Jones Jr. circus
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  fight. Yeah. Because, like, there's no way it's
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  going to be competitive. Like, Usyk is... too
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  good to say the least like it's not uh like when
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  you think of bevel you see bevel moves in these
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  like very straight lines across the ring like
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  if you were if you see him circle the ring he
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  cuts it into like a like an octagon like you
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  can very clearly see the straight lines he moves
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  in laterally and horizontally right with usic
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  the movement is a little too dynamic for david
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  to confidently cut the ring off against with
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  the size disparity not being in his favor. It
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  is an intriguing fight, but also just let people
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  fight at the weights they want. I hate this.
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  You did good here. You have to move up so we
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  can see you lose. Especially when it's like,
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  I don't think Caballel is like... the contender
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  that people say he is for Usyk, but I'd rather
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  Usyk fight Caballel and David fight someone else
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  at light heavyweight who's worth it than just
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  waste part of it. Because the thing is that Usyk's
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  on his way out and he's going to win. Usyk's
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  on his retirement tour whether he says it or
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  not. Yeah, like Usyk's, like, he's done and Okay,
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  either he loses to Benavidez and you're like,
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  cool, you beat up an old man. Yeah. Or, like,
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  it does not, there's just no point because it's
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  like, Benavidez, like, once Benavidez, like,
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  let's say, let's say if we reach this point after
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  Benavidez, like, he actually got the fight with
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  Canelo because he didn't lose his title twice
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  and beat him. He beats all of the guys at 175,
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  beats Zerto. Okay, then, like, it's, There's
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  no one left. But there's guys left. This is a
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  plus for Benavidez, but Usyk doesn't gain anything,
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  even if he beats Benavidez. If Usyk beats Benavidez,
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  it's, oh, it's some guy you pulled up that...
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  You beat a guy from 168, like it's fucking fabulous.
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  And if Benavidez beats him, it's wow. Like, you
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  throw heavyweight out. Even with the Zerto win,
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  though? The Zerto win is just different because,
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  like, I will say that Zerto was weighing at,
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  like, 200 pounds on fight night when he was at
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  168. Yeah. I will say Zerto is, like, a weight
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  terrorist. It's not a weight bully for Zerto.
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  This guy was a weight terrorist, and Zerto looked
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  huge over him. But Usyk is, like, Zerto's 6 '3",
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  right? I think so. Usyk is 6 '3", 220, and it's
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  muscle. It's not just Zerto being a fat ass and
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  rehydrating. So you have the same size disparity
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  with better reach, better power, better everything.
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  It's not the same as Zerto. I just wonder if
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  moving up, To fight Zerto, does that not kind
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  of negate the argument that an Usyk detractor
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  would make that you just pulled Benavidez up
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  from a smaller weight division and then you beat
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  up on a smaller guy? Like, no, Benavidez came
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  up and he beat the shit out of the guy at 200.
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  Well, it's also just the... That argument gets
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  used for detractors here because Cruiserweight's
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  historically weak. True. Like, if he came up...
• 25:56
  You're also being too logical, Leo. People don't
• 25:59
  give a shit about, like, facts that he already
• 26:03
  beat someone at that weight class. Right, like,
• 26:05
  he climbed the ranks, or he climbed the weight
• 26:08
  classes. Like, with the proper mental calculus...
• 26:11
  But people don't care. The proper mental calculus
• 26:13
  is that Cruiserweight is exceptionally weak for
• 26:16
  Zerto to flourish in it. Because, like, let's
• 26:19
  say if Benavides does this leap during 2018 and
• 26:23
  he's fighting, like, Maris Bredis or Gassiev
• 26:27
  when they were actually in form. Yeah. Like,
• 26:31
  it's far more impressive, but there's also no
• 26:34
  guarantee that he wins them. Nowhere near as
• 26:38
  dominantly. Hmm. Because, like, again, like,
• 26:42
  I'd say Zerto was around the level that, like,
• 26:44
  Marco Huck was in 2018. I just think the haters
• 26:50
  are going to hate no matter what, and they'll
• 26:51
  always find the reason why it's not good enough.
• 26:56
  There's just no point to it, and the timing isn't
• 27:00
  right. I think that post -Usyk, once David presumably
• 27:05
  clears everything out, that's when a one -off
• 27:11
  Roy Jones Jr. fight against whoever... One of
• 27:16
  the title holders is. Yeah. Like, you know, I'm
• 27:20
  not mad at, like, Caballel Benavidez. In Germany,
• 27:24
  that's a fun as fuck fight. Right? Like, that
• 27:27
  one -off against one of the weaker belt holders,
• 27:30
  like, three years from now is not a bad shout.
• 27:34
  But Usyk's retirement tour, it's just not right
• 27:39
  for what it realistically is. Yeah, I would agree.
• 27:45
  Or either guy, because, like, Benavidez, like...
• 27:48
  Benavidez doesn't gain enough, and Usyk doesn't
• 27:52
  need to do it. No, like, he... I'd much rather
• 27:56
  see Benavidez beat the dog shit out of Bivol
• 27:59
  before even, like, entertaining an Usyk matchup.
• 28:03
  Because if he beats... It's, like, more of a,
• 28:05
  like, if. Like, if he beats the absolute dog
• 28:08
  shit out of Bivol, fine, fine, let's see it.
• 28:11
  I'd even take better BF. In that vein. Yeah.
• 28:17
  They better be able... There's guys. There's
• 28:21
  still guys. They're Usyk's last -gen guys, too.
• 28:28
  Yeah. At a more comfortable weight class. Because,
• 28:33
  again, Usyk looks small versus these titans,
• 28:37
  but Usyk is a big fucking guy. It's like... I
• 28:45
  guess the best way to describe Usyk is you watch
• 28:49
  Steph Curry during a basketball game or you watch
• 28:51
  a guy who's 6 '3 during an NBA game and these
• 28:54
  guys are like monsters, right? And then you see
• 28:58
  him at a school doing a talk or something and
• 29:00
  he towers over every normal person. My perfect
• 29:04
  example of that is Steve Nash. Yeah. He was like
• 29:08
  6 '1 and he looked like a fucking midget on the
• 29:11
  court. Yeah. He's a small guard. Yeah. He's a
• 29:15
  small guard. Yeah, small, quote -unquote. Yeah,
• 29:18
  and then you see him in public, and he's fucking,
• 29:20
  and Usyk's two inches taller. And has, like,
• 29:25
  50 pounds on Steve Nash. So, like, I feel like
• 29:29
  Benavidez is, like, he's big, but he's not heavyweight
• 29:33
  big. Yeah, I can see that. And he's not heavyweight
• 29:38
  athletic like Roy was. argue yeah i can see that
• 29:44
  i can see that argument because roy roy let's
• 29:47
  be real roy's feat is extremely impressive but
• 29:51
  he also fought one of the worst heavyweight champions
• 29:53
  ever oh for sure ruiz like john ruiz john ruiz
• 29:58
  jr is fucking terrible he's only like genuinely
• 30:02
  only charles martin and wardley are worse charles
• 30:07
  martin I didn't even know Charles Martin was
• 30:11
  a champion. He was the IBF champion because he
• 30:15
  fought Glassov, was getting his face caved in,
• 30:20
  and then at the end of the round, Glassov's knee
• 30:23
  decided to literally explode. I will have you
• 30:30
  know that Charles Martin's power is what caused
• 30:32
  his knee to explode. Because his divine power,
• 30:36
  because he walks the earth like a god. But that's
• 30:40
  how, but that, I'm saying that's the standard
• 30:42
  of heavyweight champion guys moving up from,
• 30:44
  like, cruiserweight and light heavyweight for
• 30:47
  these, the meme fights, usually fight. Yeah,
• 30:50
  like, Usyk broke that. Michael Moore wasn't fighting
• 30:54
  Lennox Lewis and, like, Riddick Bowe. He was
• 30:57
  fighting, like, even when he moved up as a full
• 31:01
  -time heavyweight and he was fighting, like,
• 31:03
  Holyfield and, like, Foreman was his one title
• 31:06
  fight against a full -sized, great heavyweight,
• 31:11
  even if he was 44, and you saw the result. Usyk
• 31:18
  did break that series, though. Usyk fought fucking
• 31:22
  everybody who was anybody. But he's also big.
• 31:25
  He's taller than George Foreman. Yeah, well,
• 31:29
  heavyweights have just all gotten super tall.
• 31:32
  So I'm just saying, like, the size disparity
• 31:34
  isn't like, oh, Benavidez is big and he fits
• 31:36
  in. It's Benavidez is tiny and is even tinier
• 31:41
  right now because of the era. We have to keep
• 31:45
  it rolling. Yeah, no worries. No, yeah. Last
• 31:50
  bit of news. Abdullah Mason versus Joe Cordina
• 31:52
  is official for July 4th in Cleveland. Raz. In
• 31:59
  Cleveland. Yeah. Who's from Cleveland? Mason?
• 32:02
  Yeah. LeBron James. Just Akron, actually. But
• 32:07
  this is some Anthony Caccacci matchmaking. I
• 32:12
  can't lie. I'm eager for Abdullah Mason to end
• 32:16
  the Cordina train. I just, like, I think it'd
• 32:22
  be, I think Mason. These are fights that are
• 32:25
  necessary for Mason to eventually learn to listen
• 32:28
  to his corner. Ever. If he could, it would be
• 32:33
  nice if he did. Yeah, because he just, like,
• 32:37
  pretty much every flaw with this pretty raw fighter,
• 32:40
  just his corner is actually good. But my main
• 32:44
  thing is that it's kind of funny seeing these
• 32:46
  growing pains happen exclusively against British
• 32:49
  fighters. Yeah. That's what I find a little funny.
• 32:55
  I actually kind of like Joe Cordina. He has no
• 32:58
  chance, but... Oh, Jesus. Kakashi beat the piss
• 33:01
  out of him last time in a big fight. That's why
• 33:05
  I'm saying he's going on the Anthony Kakashi
• 33:07
  route of, like, let's beat up all these washed
• 33:09
  has -been Brits. Everybody knows I'm super biased
• 33:13
  and I don't pick my favorites because they're
• 33:16
  good. But it's going to make me sad to see Cordina
• 33:20
  beat... beat up by mason god bless america god
• 33:26
  bless america on july 4th too is really funny
• 33:29
  all american boy is beating up a brit on july
• 33:36
  4th god damn oh my god i need to see the i need
• 33:44
  to see like apollo creed trunks with I had to
• 33:49
  see Apollo Creed trucks with Semper Fi. You know
• 33:52
  that walkout before he got killed by Drago? I
• 33:55
  need that with the... With James Brown. Yeah,
• 33:59
  I need that, man. That's the type of July 4th
• 34:02
  show. It's a good setup for Mason. I know this
• 34:10
  is just a setup fight, but... He needs to take
• 34:16
  advantage. If he does not look super good and
• 34:19
  doesn't do the crazy American walkout, I will
• 34:22
  be disappointed. Oh, listen, I'm turning it off
• 34:25
  if I don't see the American walkout. Literally,
• 34:27
  you're going to see me just, I'm done. You're
• 34:31
  not even American. I know, but I need to see,
• 34:34
  it's the entertainment value. It's the entertainment
• 34:35
  value. It is. It is. You're not even American
• 34:39
  either and you'd still appreciate the... I would.
• 34:42
  I would 100 % appreciate it. The walkouts are
• 34:45
  like 20 % of boxing to me. Yeah. That's why I
• 34:50
  hate that Zufa is trying to take away... That's
• 34:52
  a major beef I have with Zufa trying to take
• 34:54
  away the individuality of it. The walkouts and
• 34:58
  the trunks and the whole thing. It's a whole
• 35:01
  art. It's not just the sponsorship. It's the
• 35:03
  individual character of these fighters. Yeah,
• 35:07
  that's my biggest beef with Zufa. Like, listen,
• 35:11
  I... Like, nothing will be as cool. Like, listen,
• 35:15
  Germany has its many flaws as a boxing country
• 35:19
  from an organizational perspective. But nothing
• 35:23
  will be as cool. The Dr. Steelhammer workout?
• 35:25
  The one with the hologram door that opens, and
• 35:30
  then he talks to a bunch of other previous heavyweight
• 35:33
  champions, George Forbes. That's what I'm saying.
• 35:35
  That's the one I'm talking about, but they had
• 35:37
  blacksmiths hammering anvils as he walked out.
• 35:41
  Yeah. That's how you fucking do it. Or even like
• 35:45
  AJs in the UK are like simple, but like... Like,
• 35:51
  the big, like, pyrotechnic AJ as he, like, walks
• 35:55
  out. Like, that's its character. It's a big part
• 36:00
  of the character. We'll talk about it later.
• 36:01
  The Inoue Nakatani walkouts were fucking awesome.
• 36:05
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• 36:07
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  Wednesday, April 29th. Matchroom on DAZN. In
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  Victoria, Australia. Tara Moana gets the first
• 40:58
  round stoppage over Bowie Tupou. And Sky Nicholson
• 41:02
  gets a bloody UD over Mariah Turner. That was
• 41:09
  a pretty good knockout. I can't even hate. I
• 41:12
  can't hate. Didn't stall. Got rid of him. I'm
• 41:17
  happy. He's doing what he's supposed to do. I'm
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  not mad about that. These Aussie cards are always
• 41:25
  so A -side heavy. There's hardly ever wars on
• 41:31
  Aussie cards. It's my only complaint. Sky Nicholson
• 41:35
  vs. Mariette Turner was a good one. It was pretty
• 41:37
  good. I have to admit, I didn't. My favorite,
• 41:41
  they used to have this guy. He's retired now.
• 41:45
  They had this 7 '2 guy who would fight whatever,
• 41:49
  like, heavyweight journeyman. He'd never fight
• 41:51
  the prospects. He'd get into, like, really sloppy
• 41:56
  fights with the heavyweight journeyman, like,
• 41:59
  in between, like, blue chip prospects. His name
• 42:01
  was Julius Long. oh i recognize that name his
• 42:05
  name he was like seven two and whenever he got
• 42:08
  hurt he'd start like flailing his arms around
• 42:10
  like an inflatable man at the car dealership
• 42:13
  and like he was always a highlight of these cards
• 42:17
  i like good that he's retired good for his health
• 42:20
  but like i'm very sad that he's off these cards
• 42:24
  because like The prelims are always so boring
• 42:27
  and A -side heavy, and then you just get Julius
• 42:30
  Long and some guy who's 13 and 27 going the balls
• 42:35
  to the wall. Because Long was not a bad boxer.
• 42:39
  It's just whenever he got grazed, he went into
• 42:41
  inflatable man mode. So he's very sorely missed
• 42:47
  on these Australian cards. All right. Friday,
• 42:53
  May 1st. ProBox TV. I have a few that I want
• 42:58
  to point out on the undercard. Jordan Roach got
• 43:02
  a nice stoppage in one. He came into this fight
• 43:07
  7 -0, so he's doing what he's supposed to do.
• 43:12
  One that really stood out to me was Charles Harris
• 43:15
  vs. Blake Fialca. Charles Harris didn't get the
• 43:21
  stoppage. But he's a bow mat guy, and he had
• 43:26
  just really good fundamentals, really good punch
• 43:34
  selection. He boxed a really smart game. It was
• 43:40
  really impressive. I liked it. I'm hopeful to
• 43:44
  see more of him. The co -main. Francois Scarborough
• 43:52
  gets the UD over Maxwell Montez. And the main
• 43:57
  event, Sembatar Erdenabat gets the UD over Kobia
• 44:01
  Brady. Brutal fight. He beat the piss out of
• 44:06
  him. I thought it was fun. Sembatar, big fan.
• 44:13
  He's fun. Yeah, I'm a fan. I always tune in for
• 44:18
  his fights. I also just like seeing small countries
• 44:25
  like Mongolia have good fighters. Like we talked
• 44:28
  about last week with Denmark. It's good. It's
• 44:32
  really good when, you know, it's more of a global
• 44:36
  sport. Because, I mean, we saw with the UK when,
• 44:40
  like, Audley Harrison and, what is it, Amir Khan
• 44:46
  won their gold medals, or their medals, Olympic
• 44:49
  medals. you immediately saw that boom in amateur
• 44:53
  gyms and everything, and that's how we have this
• 44:55
  current crisis of British fighters polluting
• 44:57
  our sport. Right? And it's good that that happens
• 45:03
  in other countries, because just generally, it's
• 45:09
  more places to have fights in, and you get to
• 45:11
  see who the next stars will be. And Erdogan is
• 45:15
  actually pretty good. I don't know if he'll be
• 45:17
  a world title list or whatever, but he's on the
• 45:21
  doorstep. No, I like it when they're actually
• 45:24
  good. That's the big one. Yeah, yeah. It's nice
• 45:27
  when they're good. I'm not just pushing other
• 45:31
  countries. Yeah, you're not just supporting half
• 45:36
  of the Saudi plants that are on the fucking Riyadh
• 45:39
  cards. Erdenbot's good. I don't know if he's
• 45:44
  really good, but he's good. He's fun and he's
• 45:48
  good enough, which is... And he looks so Mongolian
• 45:53
  and I love his walkouts. The Breedy guy, he was
• 45:59
  from the Bahamas. Speaking of small countries.
• 46:05
  Bahamanian. Barbados. is his nationality oh is
• 46:13
  it he's Barbasian okay my mistake I for some
• 46:17
  reason I thought it was Bahamian I I didn't even
• 46:21
  know how you turned that into a you know what
• 46:24
  I mean like he's from the Barbados yeah yeah
• 46:28
  Barbasian I know that one it's uh one time when
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• 46:37
  one of the the the senior guys somewhere and
• 46:41
  his wife, like the vehicle broke down. And while
• 46:46
  we were waiting for the, for like a tow or whatever,
• 46:50
  like we were just chatting and he was like, Oh
• 46:53
  yeah, my wife is Barbadian. I would not have
• 46:58
  guessed that one. I would, I wouldn't have either.
• 47:00
  I was like, what? I'm sorry. What, what did you
• 47:03
  just say? From where? Yeah, like, what are you
• 47:07
  talking about? Ohashi, at the Tokyo Dome. Shanada,
• 47:14
  you were present. I was there. Oh, my God, it
• 47:18
  was so much fun. God, you were waiting to say
• 47:20
  that. You've been waiting to say that for two
• 47:21
  and a half hours. I have. I was there. Like,
• 47:24
  you could feel it just. But, like, I don't think
• 47:29
  people can understand how hype. a live boxing
• 47:33
  event of this size is until you go to it so i
• 47:37
  showed up four hours before the first fight i
• 47:42
  met a friend for lunch and he's he got there
• 47:45
  an hour before me so five hours before the first
• 47:48
  fight he's like yeah i got in line an hour ago
• 47:52
  but i'm still waiting to buy my in a way merchandise
• 47:55
  an hour an hour so i ended up standing like in
• 48:02
  a corner for half an hour waiting for him to
• 48:04
  get out of line for his merchandise it was crazy
• 48:08
  there were so many people if you check the instagram
• 48:13
  i did a quick video that video was four hours
• 48:17
  before first fight and there was hundreds of
• 48:21
  people there leo i think hundreds is very easy
• 48:24
  to say And then we went for lunch and I got the
• 48:30
  Ioka store opened late because he's not so popular.
• 48:34
  But I got in line to buy an Ioka t -shirt half
• 48:38
  an hour before the store opened. And like I was
• 48:44
  not at the front of the line. I was quite far
• 48:47
  back. And then just waiting with everyone to
• 48:52
  get into the place. Like the atmosphere was crazy.
• 48:56
  and there was uh japanese television was interviewing
• 49:02
  people everywhere it was it was so cool i don't
• 49:07
  even know how to describe the atmosphere like
• 49:09
  everyone was hyped about this and they got there
• 49:13
  so early like i thought four hours was crazy
• 49:16
  and then i was like oh yeah no like my friend
• 49:20
  was right we should be there four hours before
• 49:23
  the first fight like Two and a half hours before
• 49:27
  doors open. Like, and during the fights, like
• 49:33
  in between fights, you know, you go to the bathroom
• 49:35
  or whatever. It took me not half an hour, but
• 49:39
  probably 20 minutes to get to the bathroom in
• 49:44
  between fights. Like it was just sardines packed,
• 49:49
  walking to the bathroom. The girls' bathroom
• 49:53
  had almost no line, but just the hallway to get
• 49:57
  there was fucking madness. Oh, that didn't even
• 50:02
  occur to me until you mentioned it, but yeah,
• 50:04
  of course the women's didn't have any line. Here's
• 50:07
  the real question I have. Were you seated next
• 50:10
  to someone who was yelling, go on my son, but
• 50:13
  in Japanese? I was seated next to a Junto fan.
• 50:20
  Who was going, go on my son. basically yes okay
• 50:24
  it's a universal it's universal they don't the
• 50:28
  section i was in i think was so when you order
• 50:33
  tickets you could order up to four tickets for
• 50:36
  the lottery like you could apply for up to four
• 50:39
  tickets i think my section was mostly singles
• 50:42
  like nobody seemed to be with friends yeah no
• 50:46
  groups so they were all super quiet and nobody
• 50:49
  was yelling and i was like I'm just going to
• 50:52
  yell. I don't really care. You're going to break
• 50:55
  the seal. Yeah. But you can really... Go on my
• 51:00
  son in shocking British English. Yeah, yeah.
• 51:03
  Well, go on my son in Japanese is basically gambere.
• 51:07
  Like, do your best. You can do it. Yeah. Oh,
• 51:10
  my God. They were actually... It transcends borders.
• 51:13
  They do yell that a lot. Oh, my God. I love that.
• 51:17
  God, I love this sport sometimes. The essence
• 51:21
  of go on, my son. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, it
• 51:24
  has a very similar feel. But, man, like, I can't
• 51:30
  tell people what the atmosphere was like because
• 51:32
  I just don't have the words. It was everybody
• 51:36
  was excited. Everybody was there for the same
• 51:39
  thing. It didn't, like, I don't speak Japanese,
• 51:43
  so it's hard for me to, like. connect with japanese
• 51:46
  people but you didn't have to because you're
• 51:50
  there for the same reason like everybody knows
• 51:55
  that's why you're here and uh i bought an ioka
• 51:59
  shirt which really stood out because everyone
• 52:02
  was wearing nakatani or in a way merchandise
• 52:06
  but a few people were like oh uh ioka and i was
• 52:13
  like yeah and then like Oh, you're a real fan
• 52:16
  because you didn't submit to the peer pressure
• 52:19
  of picking a main event fighter, kind of. Like,
• 52:23
  I got multiple comments, and I've never had that
• 52:27
  before. Yeah, the whole day was super fucking
• 52:31
  fun. I met up with a friend that I met at boxing,
• 52:34
  and we only talk on text, and we went out for
• 52:38
  lunch. and he had a whole in a way tracksuit
• 52:42
  with the pants and the shirt and a jacket goodness
• 52:45
  gracious he went all in yeah yeah yeah and uh
• 52:50
  we went for ramen and we just talked boxing for
• 52:53
  an hour and then he walked me to my gate it it
• 52:57
  was super nice it was so much fun into the fights
• 53:03
  um What I have on the dock here, anything before
• 53:11
  Jin Sasaki that stands out? I just want to shout
• 53:16
  out Raya Abe because I met him while we were
• 53:19
  walking out of the venue. He walked in the huge
• 53:22
  crowd with everyone else and just went to the
• 53:25
  train station. But took time out of his day to
• 53:30
  take a picture with a fan. Also, it was a mixed
• 53:35
  decision. I think he might have won, but obviously
• 53:40
  I'm biased because I'm a huge fan. I was so excited
• 53:46
  to get a picture with him. Man, I wish I could
• 53:51
  argue whether or not it was a majority decision
• 53:54
  or not, but I didn't get to see it. What do you
• 54:02
  know about that? Shout out the super middleweights
• 54:07
  on this card as well. Allegedly, in paper. They
• 54:13
  were good. I was texted and told they were good
• 54:15
  by Shenada here. Yeah, Yuito, Moriwaka, and Deoknokun.
• 54:23
  I heard they were good. I heard this would be
• 54:25
  my favorite type of phone booth fight. Shame
• 54:29
  I didn't get to fucking see it either. I wrote
• 54:32
  a write -up because before we get to the other
• 54:36
  fights, I'll summarize it here. This zone fucking
• 54:39
  sucks, and it's literally one of the major reasons
• 54:43
  why Zoof was able to get into this sport so easily,
• 54:45
  because the quality of the biggest source of
• 54:48
  our beloved sport is dog shit in the West. And
• 54:53
  it was especially noticeable on this night. ESPN
• 54:55
  KO had all the fights, zero audio problems, zero
• 54:59
  video problems, and commentary that didn't feel
• 55:02
  like Ken and Barbie dolls talking about whatever
• 55:06
  the fuck they're making up. The Zone had consistent
• 55:09
  audio problems, only showed like three fights,
• 55:13
  and the commentators were the usual British shitbags
• 55:18
  who just make up narratives instead of commentating
• 55:21
  the fight in front of them. It is legitimately
• 55:24
  a fucking travesty that they did not show Sora
• 55:28
  Tanaka versus Jin Sasaki. That fight, listen,
• 55:31
  if Lopez Gallegos wasn't this year, that's an
• 55:34
  easy fight of the year. Because Lopez Gallegos
• 55:38
  is my fight of the year. But this is like, in
• 55:42
  any other year, this is like an easy contender.
• 55:47
  This is something that everyone needs to go find.
• 55:50
  I know it's out there on the internet. Sora Tanaka
• 55:53
  versus Jin Sasaki was a no -defense, all -offense
• 56:00
  slopfest that I had pegged to be a knockout.
• 56:04
  Like, I told everyone, this is going to be a
• 56:07
  knockout either way. It was not. It went to split
• 56:10
  decision, and I do not understand how. Like,
• 56:15
  both these guys have power, both these guys have
• 56:17
  lots of knockouts, and they just ate fucking
• 56:20
  punches for ten rounds. I can't lie, that was
• 56:23
  Tanaka's fight to lose, and he did lose it, because
• 56:27
  those right uppercuts were on auto -aim, and
• 56:32
  then he literally, like, land three. Like, wild,
• 56:37
  wild, like... Why the fuck is he going to land?
• 56:39
  And then he'd try and throw, like, a regular
• 56:42
  one -two, miss horribly, and then Sasaki just
• 56:45
  dogged him. But that was definitely a, like,
• 56:49
  my turn, your turn fight. Yeah, no, it was just,
• 56:52
  it was so good. I caught it on the ESPN KO feed
• 56:55
  because fuck the zone. This was just, like, this,
• 57:02
  like, and again. This fight, it's particularly
• 57:05
  devastating here because this fight was gangbusters.
• 57:10
  But I, even if it wasn't, why are we getting
• 57:14
  less fights when the zone has the rights to all
• 57:17
  of them? And also just in general, why the fuck
• 57:21
  was Takei co -main? I get you have to split.
• 57:26
  Yeah, no. Naoya and Takuma, but put Jin Sasaki
• 57:30
  second. Everyone knew this was going to be gangbusters.
• 57:33
  Who the fuck made this card? It's just, I don't
• 57:37
  even blame the Japanese companies, because I'm
• 57:39
  sure, like, whatever, there's a piss break before
• 57:41
  the Inuways, whatever, I don't care. Yeah, I
• 57:45
  did actually appreciate the, I can go pee and
• 57:48
  buy a beer and take 20 minutes because the crowd
• 57:51
  is crazy. Yeah, like, these are all, like...
• 57:54
  but i just what i don't get is the the pacing
• 57:57
  of this card was actually not bad even with the
• 58:00
  piss break um but i just don't get the zone will
• 58:05
  dig into their bag to get the lowest of the low
• 58:09
  four digit ranks like over a thousand best fighter
• 58:13
  in the world, Australian and British bullshit
• 58:16
  fights that nobody watches, nobody wants to watch,
• 58:19
  but they cannot get the full super fight card.
• 58:25
  It's like getting one of those 90s super fight
• 58:28
  HBO cards, then sorry, you missed out on watching
• 58:32
  Eric Morales, Marco Antonio Barrera, because
• 58:35
  we didn't feel like putting it on the fucking
• 58:36
  stream. It's fucking ridiculous. Everyone always
• 58:46
  complains that the Japanese fighters don't get
• 58:50
  enough publicity, but it's because of companies
• 58:54
  like DAZN. These guys deserve their airtime.
• 59:02
  They very clearly earned their airtime. Everyone
• 59:06
  was bitching that the American card was so much
• 59:09
  better, but I'm like, you missed the fun. In
• 59:13
  a way Nakatani was high level but you missed
• 59:16
  the fun fights of the Japanese card just because
• 59:20
  you're in the west and it's not your fault but
• 59:23
  Jesus Christ like these guys deserve it they're
• 59:28
  they're fun and they're exciting and it's it's
• 59:32
  boxing just show the fights to everyone Yeah,
• 59:39
  like, this is, like, here's a good example. Like,
• 59:42
  we're just gonna cut out... You just cut out,
• 59:46
  like, any of the 90s, like, Don King cards. Let's
• 59:49
  just cut, like, half of it out. Just cause. Yeah.
• 59:54
  Like, who the fuck needs to see Meldrick Taylor?
• 59:58
  I'm gonna cut the last 15 minutes of the podcast
• 1:00:00
  just because, like... Just cause. Just cause,
• 1:00:04
  why not? Yeah. why not like it's just it's not
• 1:00:07
  good for the sport if the home of boxing if someone
• 1:00:09
  doesn't want to watch it or someone wants to
• 1:00:11
  like because the thing is that you can skip it
• 1:00:13
  it's on streaming not streaming it not streaming
• 1:00:17
  it also means that it doesn't go into your archive
• 1:00:21
  so it's just gone in the west so like i don't
• 1:00:26
  give a like listen you can find every single
• 1:00:29
  one of campbell hatton's fights on this piece
• 1:00:31
  of shit platform but you cannot find half of
• 1:00:35
  this super fight card that you charged people
• 1:00:38
  the super subscription price for. I grumble as
• 1:00:45
  one who paid for it. Like, I don't get it. Why
• 1:00:50
  are we... It's not like, oh, DAZN's new and they
• 1:00:53
  only got the rights to the biggest fight. Like,
• 1:00:55
  no. They've been around for so long that they've
• 1:00:58
  been shuffled around by unethical billionaires.
• 1:01:01
  They started with Russian oligarchs and now we're
• 1:01:04
  on the Saudi oligarchs. Like, they've been passed
• 1:01:06
  around. Like a blunt, like a fucking blunt and
• 1:01:10
  no, just nothing. We still haven't got, like,
• 1:01:13
  Chris Mannix is still commentating the American
• 1:01:15
  fucking cards. Because it's just the, like, it's
• 1:01:21
  just the product being so inferior and not even
• 1:01:25
  showing the full product is just, if it was just
• 1:01:28
  a one. I wouldn't mind that much. I'd be mad,
• 1:01:31
  but I could be complacent. That opener fight
• 1:01:37
  was also fun. I don't think it was a draw. I
• 1:01:41
  think the Osaka guy, Tanaka, should have won.
• 1:01:44
  But you know what? It was a really fun fight.
• 1:01:48
  Home cooking, fuck it. But even the Reia Abe
• 1:01:53
  fight, less exciting. There was more boxing and
• 1:01:58
  less just punch each other in the face. But it
• 1:02:02
  was a good fight. DAZN should show this to the
• 1:02:07
  world. Everyone complains that Japanese boxing
• 1:02:12
  is not good, but they don't get to see the fun,
• 1:02:15
  exciting Japanese fights. It's that it's inaccessible.
• 1:02:19
  It's inaccessible, and the thing is that, again,
• 1:02:22
  who cares if it's not good? I like it. I like
• 1:02:26
  fun more than good most of the time. It's like,
• 1:02:30
  I can appreciate good. Like, we're gonna get
• 1:02:33
  to Inoue and Nakatani, and that fight was clearly
• 1:02:36
  the best one. The best high -level matchup of
• 1:02:40
  the entire day. Right, but that's not the most
• 1:02:43
  fun matchup. No, the fun one was the two morons
• 1:02:46
  beating on each other back and forth for ten
• 1:02:48
  rounds. Like, Sora Tanaka and Jin Sasaki are
• 1:02:52
  clones. I have been telling people, like, do
• 1:02:55
  you remember in the first Pokemon movie when
• 1:02:59
  Mewtwo had the clones and they were fighting
• 1:03:01
  each other and they were the exact same? Yeah.
• 1:03:04
  That was what that fight was, and I was so hyped
• 1:03:08
  for it. And Jin Sasaki milks his walkouts so
• 1:03:13
  fucking bad. His walkout was... the best of corny
• 1:03:19
  walkouts you could ever hope for like he's he's
• 1:03:23
  good but he's not that good but he walks out
• 1:03:26
  like he is the best in the fucking world he choreographed
• 1:03:31
  that walkout he has a character he his robe was
• 1:03:37
  great but he also had clearly like points in
• 1:03:41
  the walkout where he needed to hit his mark and
• 1:03:44
  he nailed fucking all of them and the music would
• 1:03:46
  change and then he'd like emote and then the
• 1:03:50
  music would change and like no like i just there's
• 1:03:56
  no you have the rights and you're just not showing
• 1:03:58
  it for no reason you don't even have to work
• 1:04:01
  on it because it's like you could literally i
• 1:04:03
  swear to god you could have no commentary on
• 1:04:06
  it and just show the in stadium audio and you'd
• 1:04:09
  have the that'd be the best product I don't have
• 1:04:13
  to hear, like... Because the thing is that...
• 1:04:16
  This is in my article, too. The part that I loathe
• 1:04:21
  most about DAZN's commentary is that they have
• 1:04:24
  good commentators on payroll. They're just relegated
• 1:04:28
  to, like, Uzbekistan journeyman cards and not,
• 1:04:32
  like, the nice stuff. Like, why is Koi... The
• 1:04:36
  British saying of Japanese names bugs me. And
• 1:04:40
  I'm not super good. They have Corey Erdman and
• 1:04:43
  Chris Algieri locked up in a Newsbecky basement.
• 1:04:47
  Chris Algieri is a good commentator. I really
• 1:04:50
  like Chris Algieri. I heard him and Erdman a
• 1:04:53
  couple years ago on one of the Newsbeck prospect
• 1:04:58
  showcase cards. And I'm like, listen, I am falling
• 1:05:02
  asleep from the quality of these fights. But
• 1:05:05
  the commentary is still engaged, insightful,
• 1:05:09
  and reflective of the reality in front of me,
• 1:05:13
  which is something that no other DAZN commentary
• 1:05:15
  crew does. This pisses me off because I follow
• 1:05:19
  Algieri's podcast, and he really wanted to come
• 1:05:24
  here, and they wouldn't pay him to come here.
• 1:05:26
  No. And the thing is that the ESPN KO guys...
• 1:05:29
  I mean, we watched, what was that fight we watched?
• 1:05:33
  It was basic, it was at Koroku and we watched
• 1:05:35
  it early in the morning. The Japanese fight,
• 1:05:37
  right? Yeah, the Japanese, oh, was it Tsutsumi?
• 1:05:40
  No. Or no, someone's, fuck, who was it? But we
• 1:05:45
  watched it, but we watched it on ESPN KO and
• 1:05:48
  the commentators were, they were not the most
• 1:05:52
  knowledgeable still. They didn't even know what
• 1:05:55
  the referee was saying at times. But, you know,
• 1:05:59
  they were there, they were liking the action,
• 1:06:02
  and when they didn't get something, they were
• 1:06:05
  pretty tongue -in -cheek about it in earnest,
• 1:06:07
  as if they were actually engaged with what they're
• 1:06:11
  watching, which is the bare minimum. Yeah, like,
• 1:06:12
  I don't know what he's saying, but this is a
• 1:06:15
  good fight type stuff. Yeah, like, I understand
• 1:06:19
  Spanish, like, I speak Spanish, and it's just,
• 1:06:22
  like, they get it. They just get it. Like, listen,
• 1:06:27
  some of my favorite commentary moments are, like,
• 1:06:29
  Julio Cesar Chavez Sr. going apeshit over a Bronco
• 1:06:33
  Lara fight. And, like, objectively, it's not
• 1:06:38
  good commentary. He's going crazy. But it's fun
• 1:06:41
  and engaging. The passion. They care. Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:06:45
  Like, let's be real. Like, the guy screaming,
• 1:06:49
  bang, during fuck, or, like, all the famous basketball
• 1:06:52
  calls is not good commentary. By the foot of
• 1:06:55
  the letter. But it's. Integral to the product.
• 1:07:00
  Yeah. Like. Imagine if. Like if a Frazier foreman.
• 1:07:07
  Was commentated by DAZN. They'd be off on a tangent.
• 1:07:11
  And be like oh Frazier goes down. Instead of
• 1:07:14
  like. Yeah. The drawn out down goes Frazier call.
• 1:07:22
  Like. Anyway. We should probably move on to the
• 1:07:25
  fights. It's a fucking travesty that you guys
• 1:07:31
  didn't get to see Sasaki versus Tanaka. It's
• 1:07:36
  just really important to point out accessibility
• 1:07:38
  when the sport is actively under threat by people
• 1:07:43
  who want to make it an inferior product. What
• 1:07:49
  we did get to see... Takuma Inoue beats Kazuto
• 1:07:54
  Ioka pretty much like sweeps. Yeah. This made
• 1:08:02
  me so sad. I kind of expected it. I expected
• 1:08:06
  it, but I didn't want it to be like this. You
• 1:08:10
  know what I mean? I know Ioka's old. I know he's
• 1:08:14
  gone too far up in weight, but I had hope. Yeah,
• 1:08:23
  we were the same. We were the same. It'd be cool
• 1:08:28
  if he could, he probably won't. And he won't,
• 1:08:31
  he didn't. He didn't. But he made it to decision,
• 1:08:37
  which after the first round, I didn't expect.
• 1:08:41
  And I think he made a good showing. I think Ioka's
• 1:08:44
  probably ready to retire. I think this might
• 1:08:47
  be the push. I'm never going to win another belt.
• 1:08:51
  Maybe a couple more wins to go out on. Yeah.
• 1:08:55
  A couple more hundreds of rounds of hard sparring.
• 1:09:00
  I really like Ioka. I'm super happy Ioka got
• 1:09:04
  to fight in Tokyo Dome in front of people. I
• 1:09:08
  know he lost, but... You know what? I'm just
• 1:09:12
  happy we got to see his peak, too. Like, I'm
• 1:09:16
  very happy I got to watch him fight. Kosei Tanaka
• 1:09:20
  and just Molly Wap. Because that was the lower
• 1:09:26
  weight Japanese showdown. Before this. That was
• 1:09:31
  the previous one. I will say it was very nice.
• 1:09:34
  I was backing Tanaka too because I found Tanaka
• 1:09:37
  more interesting. Nah, Ioka's my boy. I will
• 1:09:44
  admit, I've had a crush on Ioka for fucking 15
• 1:09:48
  years. It's just like Ioka, I'm glad we got to
• 1:09:53
  see him peak too against opponents worth it.
• 1:09:57
  It wasn't just now that he's forgetting the opponents.
• 1:09:59
  Yeah, yeah. I agree. I think that's the biggest
• 1:10:03
  win. Too often we see guys, especially from Japan,
• 1:10:07
  who get their marquee opponents. Far too old
• 1:10:10
  to really show it. So they were always bums type
• 1:10:15
  thing instead of they're old. Yeah. But Takuma's
• 1:10:19
  really good. Like, I don't have anything against
• 1:10:22
  Takuma. He's gotten shockingly better. He gets
• 1:10:26
  disrespected because of who his brother is. 100%.
• 1:10:30
  Well, I disrespected him because of losing to
• 1:10:32
  Wubali like that. That wasn't a very strong showing.
• 1:10:40
  The energy was not there that night. But he's
• 1:10:44
  rebounded very well since then. That was a long
• 1:10:48
  time ago. I know. But it was very like... That
• 1:10:53
  was the put up or shut up moment for him at the
• 1:10:56
  time. For being on par with his brother. And
• 1:11:01
  Ubali stole that fight just on energy, really.
• 1:11:05
  Yeah, Takuma is a little slower. Yeah. Like a
• 1:11:10
  slow starter. He has more timing base, too. Yeah.
• 1:11:15
  So, it's just... I'm glad he's really coming
• 1:11:19
  to his own, and he's playing to his own strengths
• 1:11:21
  instead of trying to live up to, frankly, something
• 1:11:25
  impossible. Yeah, yeah. I do think Takuma doesn't
• 1:11:30
  get enough respect entirely because he's not
• 1:11:33
  Naoya. Yeah. The fight you were thinking of was
• 1:11:42
  Brian Mercado versus Ryosuke Nishida. Yes, Nishida.
• 1:11:48
  That's the one that we watched on ESPN. When
• 1:11:50
  the referee stopped the fight and they're like,
• 1:11:53
  I have no idea what the referee's saying because
• 1:11:55
  I don't speak Japanese and they start laughing
• 1:11:57
  a bit. And I'm like, that's just like, it's character.
• 1:12:03
  yeah that adds to the experience as a viewer
• 1:12:06
  like if they don't have something good to say
• 1:12:10
  they say something that makes you like them yeah
• 1:12:13
  like they're watching it means they're watching
• 1:12:14
  the fight because they had it pretty so like
• 1:12:17
  we were typing in chat and they had it pretty
• 1:12:19
  very similar to how we had it basically yeah
• 1:12:22
  it was pretty spot on like They're watching the
• 1:12:25
  fight, which is what matters instead of, oh boy,
• 1:12:28
  here goes Sergio Mora and Chris Maddox fighting
• 1:12:31
  for two hours because they're not actually watching.
• 1:12:33
  I fucking hate that. Like, I mean, imagine how
• 1:12:38
  good the call would have been with another commentary
• 1:12:41
  crew on AJ Ruiz instead of Mora's making up his
• 1:12:45
  own narrative already and then... Pushing at
• 1:12:50
  the entire fight. The fight interrupted your
• 1:12:53
  narrative, basically. Yeah. Imagine how cool
• 1:12:57
  the call would have been on AJ getting smoked
• 1:13:00
  by that left token going down. Yoshiki Takei
• 1:13:05
  gets the majority decision. Do we really care
• 1:13:09
  about this? No, but Takei didn't win. That was
• 1:13:18
  a bullshit call. Shout out to Kang Wang. Fabulous
• 1:13:23
  name. Yes. That's a good name. It comes off the
• 1:13:28
  tongue really easy. The Kang Wang. All right.
• 1:13:34
  But this was a bullshit fight to have as the
• 1:13:36
  co -main. Terrible card making. Realistically,
• 1:13:40
  just swap this fight with Sasaki. 100%. Like,
• 1:13:44
  that's it. That's the change you make, right?
• 1:13:47
  Yeah. 100%. And main event, Naoya Inoue gets
• 1:13:54
  the unanimous decision over Junto Nakatani. Oh,
• 1:14:00
  man. I'm not mad that Junto lost. I'm mad that
• 1:14:04
  he lost like that. Lost like what? Like a certain
• 1:14:11
  Ukrainian ballerina. like i like i i just hate
• 1:14:16
  it i hate it when like listen i'll give you like
• 1:14:20
  two or three rounds of grace with the whole like
• 1:14:22
  feeling out measuring your opponent downloading
• 1:14:25
  whatever whatever you want to call it but when
• 1:14:28
  we're hitting round five and you're still measuring
• 1:14:31
  and downloading i'm like no yeah clearly like
• 1:14:36
  naoya clearly has not fallen for the fact that
• 1:14:39
  you're like especially because he didn't even
• 1:14:40
  try like i expected junto to like Yes, he's going
• 1:14:44
  to set a trap for Naoya, but he's still going
• 1:14:47
  to set it. He's not going to be like... Please,
• 1:14:51
  sir, step into my trap. Yeah, he's not holding
• 1:14:54
  a bear trap out, being like, please stick your
• 1:14:57
  head in this, or I'm going to kill myself. Like,
• 1:15:00
  I'm going to be real. The later rounds, classic.
• 1:15:04
  Like, both guys showed... Amazing heart. And
• 1:15:08
  there is proof there that Junto, had he applied
• 1:15:12
  himself early in the fight, probably could have
• 1:15:15
  made it work. Maybe. And that 11th round was
• 1:15:20
  fantastic from Inoue, showing that, you know
• 1:15:22
  what, maybe Junto gets put out the fucking pasture.
• 1:15:26
  So, Josh, I want to ask you specifically. There
• 1:15:32
  are reports that in a way broke Junto's orbital
• 1:15:36
  underneath his eye in the 11th. They think it's
• 1:15:40
  an uppercut from the 11th. What are your feelings
• 1:15:43
  on this? The cope is that it's the headbutt.
• 1:15:46
  The headbutt was above the eye. Let me know that's
• 1:15:52
  the cope. The cope is fucking stupid. The cope
• 1:15:56
  is, you know who's fucking, Juto's fucking stupid.
• 1:15:59
  Like, what kind of game plan is, let me scratch
• 1:16:01
  my balls for six rounds and hope Inoue doesn't
• 1:16:05
  use his skill set to steal those rounds. Like,
• 1:16:10
  it's not like Inoue's going to punch himself
• 1:16:11
  out either. No, Inoue had perfect distance control
• 1:16:16
  at the start of the fight. Yeah, and the thing
• 1:16:18
  is that Nakatani has good distance control. It's
• 1:16:21
  just that you have to use it. You have to do
• 1:16:24
  something with it. you have to show some aggression
• 1:16:27
  because i will say the like nakatani's like that
• 1:16:31
  that probing jab that he loops a left hand into
• 1:16:34
  commonly only ever works when he leads it with
• 1:16:39
  a very stiff like his stiff jab or like a flicker
• 1:16:43
  jab that's meant to touch the opponent but if
• 1:16:46
  he comes out just holding it there no one's gonna
• 1:16:48
  like No one's stupid enough to walk into that.
• 1:16:52
  I was going to say, Hernandez, it's different.
• 1:16:54
  Hernandez's last fight kept walking into it.
• 1:16:56
  He just didn't give a fuck. That's different.
• 1:16:59
  But if you watch his fights with Maloney or Nishida,
• 1:17:02
  the only reason the left hand starts landing
• 1:17:06
  is because the jab is there. It doesn't even
• 1:17:10
  have to land. Maloney was doing a pretty good
• 1:17:12
  job of parrying it until the body shots started
• 1:17:15
  ripping in. But... um i will say like yeah no
• 1:17:20
  in a way very clearly the 11th round is proof
• 1:17:23
  that the fight had nakatani fought it properly
• 1:17:27
  would have been like this could have been it
• 1:17:30
  could have been a crazy action war if nakatani
• 1:17:35
  wanted to fight it the right way but in a way
• 1:17:38
  he's not stupid he's not gonna start a war with
• 1:17:41
  nakatani Nakatani has to engage that and then
• 1:17:44
  set A, B, C, and D traps while keeping up. And
• 1:17:51
  that's how it worked in the later third of the
• 1:17:54
  fight. But those last four rounds, I think, in
• 1:18:00
  a way, still won the last two. Yeah. Because,
• 1:18:03
  like, Nakatani... I just... Genuinely, I feel
• 1:18:08
  like all the tension... Because the thing is
• 1:18:11
  that there's one thing of, like, when you work
• 1:18:13
  yourself into a gear, like, you're in one gear
• 1:18:17
  and you slowly ramp it up, like what basically
• 1:18:20
  happened with Inoue, where... Yeah. Versus you're
• 1:18:23
  at zero. You going zero to 60 takes a lot off,
• 1:18:26
  a lot more off you than slowly getting... Yeah,
• 1:18:29
  Junto wasn't necessarily ready for 50 ,000 fans,
• 1:18:35
  I think. No. But even like that volume in the
• 1:18:39
  first half of the fight, like, yeah, he kicked
• 1:18:43
  it up to 11, but it's just that leap. Your body
• 1:18:47
  isn't ready to explode like that when you've
• 1:18:50
  been so passive. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The way Inoue
• 1:18:53
  naturally moves and throws his jab, the choice
• 1:18:57
  was to not commit to the second attack, but the
• 1:19:02
  first attack is still there. So when it's time
• 1:19:05
  to commit to that second and third attack, when
• 1:19:07
  the fight actually picks up, he's ready. His
• 1:19:09
  body's ready. Like, I don't know. I feel like,
• 1:19:14
  I thought Junto would be a little more aggressive,
• 1:19:18
  and that's, you would have seen more of what
• 1:19:21
  you saw later. I kind of... I don't know if I
• 1:19:26
  said it on the podcast, but I kind of called
• 1:19:28
  this, I think, Leo. I said Junto wasn't ready
• 1:19:31
  for the big crowd. Yeah, you did. Yeah. I'm happy
• 1:19:36
  to eat my words here because, A, there's a good
• 1:19:41
  chance we get a rematch ever because the fight
• 1:19:44
  was way too financially successful. Oh, yeah.
• 1:19:48
  And everyone will watch a rematch because there's
• 1:19:51
  those questions. And you know what the undercard
• 1:19:53
  can be? Just give me 40 rounds of Jin Sasaki
• 1:19:56
  and Sora Tanaka. Exactly. 100%. But I'm just
• 1:19:59
  saying, you know, that fight, out of many fights
• 1:20:05
  that I've seen, that fight would have benefited
• 1:20:07
  from being 15 rounds. 100%. Oh, my goodness.
• 1:20:11
  That was 15. I will say that Inoue's best round
• 1:20:16
  was the 11th. He still had a good round in the
• 1:20:18
  12th. But Nakatani is still making him visibly
• 1:20:22
  uncomfortable at moments in ways that like Donair
• 1:20:25
  broke half his face and still could not force
• 1:20:29
  that level of discomfort. So very much like both
• 1:20:33
  guys are being pushed to their like plan B's
• 1:20:37
  C's with three more rounds. That was something
• 1:20:43
  that I had noticed as well was that even in the
• 1:20:46
  latter rounds, especially in the latter rounds,
• 1:20:48
  was when Nakatani was starting to make Inoue
• 1:20:56
  uncomfortable. And I think that really feeds
• 1:20:59
  into what you were saying about if it had been
• 1:21:03
  15 rounds, then Nakatani might have been able
• 1:21:07
  to work out something a little differently. Yeah,
• 1:21:10
  because it's that... It's just the, like, Nakatani
• 1:21:14
  works really well with, like, active information.
• 1:21:18
  Because even the dog fights he finds himself
• 1:21:22
  in, you can see the left hand land with increasing
• 1:21:26
  ease. Just to be, like, you know, he's very,
• 1:21:30
  he feels, he's a very feel, feeling fighter.
• 1:21:34
  Vibes. And by not fighting those first six rounds.
• 1:21:38
  Like, you'd have no chance to absorb anything.
• 1:21:42
  And I'm not saying he wins the fight with those
• 1:21:44
  last three rounds. The fight was gone with how
• 1:21:49
  it went. But I'm just saying there's a lot more,
• 1:21:52
  like, especially if you need a stoppage, because
• 1:21:55
  he needs a stoppage, there's just a lot more
• 1:21:57
  chance for a feeling fighter to pull it out than,
• 1:22:01
  like, anything else. And it gives Inoue, like,
• 1:22:05
  they both would have... It would have gotten
• 1:22:08
  better. I still feel like Inoue was really having
• 1:22:16
  trouble breaking the distance. He was having
• 1:22:20
  trouble with the length of Nakatani. But Inoue
• 1:22:24
  adapts very well in a fight. I don't know if
• 1:22:28
  in 15 rounds Nakatani would have landed that
• 1:22:31
  big punch, but also... I don't think Nakatani
• 1:22:35
  is as one -hit quitter as everyone thinks. Everyone
• 1:22:41
  forgets that all those fights he's won by knockout
• 1:22:46
  have been beatdowns. Not like iconic beatdowns,
• 1:22:53
  but he's put a lot of damage on before he knocks
• 1:22:57
  people out. Which is what was missing. Agreed.
• 1:23:02
  I do agree. Everyone's like Inoue's chinny to
• 1:23:06
  left handers, but Inoue took a couple pretty
• 1:23:09
  solid left hands. Inoue has enough chin that
• 1:23:15
  Nakatani needs an accumulation to get the knockout.
• 1:23:19
  And perhaps more importantly, Inoue has experience
• 1:23:24
  with this exact type of left hand coming at him.
• 1:23:29
  Yeah. Because if you notice, he didn't make,
• 1:23:31
  because it, like, let's be real, like, the huge,
• 1:23:34
  the two huge left hands, the three huge left
• 1:23:37
  hands, because I count Donairs as well, have
• 1:23:41
  come from positioning mistakes where he basically
• 1:23:44
  overextends on his first attack, and instead
• 1:23:48
  of, like, angling out, he kind of laterally shifts.
• 1:23:53
  Yeah. And doesn't, he doesn't go for a second
• 1:23:56
  attack, but he doesn't get out of there. He didn't
• 1:23:59
  do that. He got out of there, or he started a
• 1:24:02
  second attack on Nakatani. In a way, he has been
• 1:24:07
  adapting. I don't know if you call it defense,
• 1:24:11
  but he's been adapting his offense to make up
• 1:24:14
  for his defense. It's a boxing IQ adjustment,
• 1:24:17
  fundamentally. Yeah, he's getting better. There's
• 1:24:23
  some really fun gifs. That are floating around
• 1:24:27
  of, in a way, actually just dodging a bunch of
• 1:24:30
  Nakatani punches. Yeah, the huge, the huge, the
• 1:24:32
  one where he ducks out of the way of the uppercut.
• 1:24:35
  Yeah. Is, like, that one's art, because that
• 1:24:39
  uppercut, you could, because I'm like, Nakatani
• 1:24:41
  doesn't have incompetent trainers. Like, that
• 1:24:44
  uppercut was super, just the way, just the way
• 1:24:48
  he threw it, like, because the fact that it came
• 1:24:50
  at the tail end of... Like, the combo was meant
• 1:24:56
  to be, like, to have Inoue there and have him
• 1:24:59
  start framing out. So that way the uppercut catches
• 1:25:03
  him when he's framing out. But he didn't frame
• 1:25:05
  out. No, he just got out of there. Yeah. And
• 1:25:09
  the thing is that Nakatani adjusts the uppercut
• 1:25:13
  halfway through its trajectory to try and catch
• 1:25:15
  him getting out. And Inoue just takes the step
• 1:25:18
  to the side to just make it win. It's just, it's
• 1:25:22
  such a beautiful clip. It's beautiful. It's such
• 1:25:24
  a beautiful clip, just because, like, you can
• 1:25:27
  tell, like, first, Inoue fixed that mistake.
• 1:25:31
  Nakatani adjusts to the mistake, to the fix.
• 1:25:36
  And, like, let's be real. Any other fighter,
• 1:25:38
  like, let's say Bam's trying to pivot out of
• 1:25:41
  it. Bam can't make that adjustment mid -pivot.
• 1:25:46
  He's getting... Yeah, I really like Bam, but
• 1:25:49
  he's not as adjustable as Inoue. No, but like,
• 1:25:53
  just I'm saying, just because Inoue's movement
• 1:25:55
  is very, like, you can break it down into small
• 1:25:59
  motions. So that way, Inoue's slipping out, and
• 1:26:04
  then, okay, mid -slip, you can add in that step
• 1:26:07
  to the side that caused that uppercut to miss.
• 1:26:10
  Bam, love him. Very flashy guy. The pivots are
• 1:26:14
  big movements. So, like, let's be real. If he
• 1:26:18
  pivots out of the way of that initial one, the
• 1:26:20
  adjusted trajectory catches him at the end of
• 1:26:22
  the pivot. Yeah. And that uppercut, like, I know
• 1:26:27
  he's an accumulation guy. But... A flush, looping
• 1:26:33
  left uppercut in, like, an athletic, crouched,
• 1:26:37
  like, exploding upward stance from Nakatani is
• 1:26:41
  going to kill you. Yeah, that's light, though.
• 1:26:45
  I think Inoue adjusted really well during the
• 1:26:49
  fight. But I would like to see a rematch because
• 1:26:53
  I think Junto would be less starstruck, for lack
• 1:26:59
  of a better word. He would be less nervous. It
• 1:27:05
  would be more fireworks early. But I still lean
• 1:27:10
  Inoue. I think Inoue adjusts. faster and Nakatani
• 1:27:16
  gets frustrated I have to back my guy obviously
• 1:27:20
  but very clearly I think more than anything I
• 1:27:25
  just want to see it like if I can just see those
• 1:27:28
  four rounds but for 12 or 15 or however many
• 1:27:32
  yeah I'm all on board because listen I'm not
• 1:27:36
  gonna say one is gonna knock the other out but
• 1:27:39
  I'm gonna say like if that fight starts how it
• 1:27:42
  ended By the time we get to the 12th, it's not
• 1:27:44
  even about who... It's about who has that, like...
• 1:27:48
  Like, has it left in them to keep executing on
• 1:27:53
  this high level. And I'm a fangirl, but I think
• 1:27:57
  Inoue has more dog. Personally. I think Nakatani's
• 1:28:02
  frustration is part of his dog, though. Like...
• 1:28:06
  Nah, but just, like... Junto hasn't fought through
• 1:28:12
  being hurt. No. But the thing is that I will
• 1:28:16
  say, like, man, he's felt Inoue already. And
• 1:28:21
  he got his fucking eye broken. I know. It's going
• 1:28:24
  to be one of those, like, Larry Holmes... Fuck.
• 1:28:30
  Not Shavers. It was... Oh, I was fucking... I
• 1:28:36
  have the name in the tip of my tongue. His first
• 1:28:41
  15 -rounder. Let me find it for his first title.
• 1:28:46
  Sorry, this is heavyweights. I know nothing.
• 1:28:49
  Heavyweights. It was Ken Norton. Oh, yeah, yeah,
• 1:28:53
  yeah. Where, like, you're still boxing at the
• 1:28:55
  highest level at the end of the fight, but it's
• 1:28:59
  not dog. It's more who has that. Like, who could
• 1:29:04
  squeeze out what's left of that, like, ability
• 1:29:07
  to accelerate? Yeah, yeah. I still lean Inoue.
• 1:29:12
  I lean Inoue with, like, more ability than Nakatani.
• 1:29:16
  But I'm a fangirl. I'm biased. I agree. I'm biased
• 1:29:19
  towards Nakatani, but I also... Part of being
• 1:29:23
  a fan here is that I... We've seen that Inoue...
• 1:29:26
  We've seen the extent of Inoue's ability to,
• 1:29:30
  like... make it to the end in a total war and
• 1:29:35
  in a way has it i know what if nakatani has what
• 1:29:39
  if right like the if like but we don't know but
• 1:29:43
  we don't know but that's what makes it fun that's
• 1:29:45
  the beauty of the fight what i agree what if
• 1:29:48
  nakatani like we hit round 10 in just the same
• 1:29:52
  like this has been a beautiful brutal fight and
• 1:29:55
  nakatani just takes that leap like holmes did
• 1:30:01
  It would be cool, but I haven't seen that. I
• 1:30:05
  know, but it was the same dynamic. Holmes was
• 1:30:07
  a pretty fresh, that -boy -nice prospect, and
• 1:30:11
  Norton was the guy who pushed everyone to their
• 1:30:15
  limits. That was supposed to be his, finally
• 1:30:19
  Ali retired, I'm getting my title. Yeah. No,
• 1:30:23
  I would 100 % watch a rematch and I think it
• 1:30:26
  would be more fun. I've heard a lot of people
• 1:30:29
  talking shit that this wasn't what it was built
• 1:30:32
  up to be. But honestly, this was what I expected.
• 1:30:37
  Maybe because I know... I expected Nakatani to
• 1:30:39
  be a bit more, but it happens. But like, I've
• 1:30:44
  watched both these fighters and I was like, Nakatani's
• 1:30:48
  gonna start... slow and be a little awestruck
• 1:30:52
  by the venue and all the people and in a way
• 1:30:57
  is gonna have trouble with the distance but adjust
• 1:31:00
  and i really feel like i kind of i called what
• 1:31:06
  this fight would be and i was not trying to dampen
• 1:31:11
  it because i want everyone to be very excited
• 1:31:13
  about small fighters and about But when you know,
• 1:31:17
  you know, right? Yeah, so I didn't want to tell
• 1:31:20
  anyone, like, don't get too excited. I want people
• 1:31:23
  to be excited. But I kind of knew this wasn't
• 1:31:26
  going to be the fight of the year. Like, I knew
• 1:31:30
  that going in. One thing I want to note about
• 1:31:34
  Nakatani that will be more present in the next
• 1:31:37
  fight because he'll get started earlier and his
• 1:31:40
  legs won't be there. for the stretch, is his
• 1:31:45
  distance changed. A lot of those short shots
• 1:31:48
  he lands are because of variances in how he stands
• 1:31:52
  and places his legs. A lot of Inoue's... Inoue
• 1:31:58
  only... Because of the moment and because of
• 1:32:01
  those first six rounds basically not doing shit
• 1:32:05
  to warm him up, he basically got Nakatani from
• 1:32:08
  a very upright distance. Yeah. I can see that.
• 1:32:13
  I know what you're saying. Like, it's just...
• 1:32:16
  Like, a lot of the... Like, Nakatani was pretty
• 1:32:18
  rigid and only shifted coming forward. But I
• 1:32:22
  think that's the nervousness. That is, yeah.
• 1:32:25
  Because the upper... Like, I think... But I think
• 1:32:27
  Inoue also has it in him to adjust to the full
• 1:32:30
  range of Nakatani's warped distance from that
• 1:32:34
  clip with the uppercut. Because Nakatani, the
• 1:32:37
  adjustment completely shifted where the connection...
• 1:32:41
  Like, it... So, again, it's a beautiful matchup
• 1:32:46
  for the purists that in a rematch will be fun
• 1:32:48
  for casuals too. Yeah, I can agree with that.
• 1:32:53
  100%. I'm so willing to eat my words on Inoue
• 1:32:57
  winning and being better here if it's a fight
• 1:33:00
  this beautiful. I just think Nakatani gets frustrated
• 1:33:05
  when people don't get knocked out. Like, if he's
• 1:33:09
  not landing and he's not having success, Nakatani
• 1:33:12
  gets in his own head. But I like that trait,
• 1:33:17
  though, because it makes... I like that trait.
• 1:33:20
  It's a very healthy trait in me, to me personally,
• 1:33:26
  that, like, he's not complacent with... No, he's
• 1:33:30
  not, but I think he gets frustrated and it shows
• 1:33:34
  in his boxing. He gets frustrated and he starts...
• 1:33:38
  Not dirty, but he gets... Yeah. He starts wrestling.
• 1:33:44
  But he doesn't get stupid. He doesn't get stupid.
• 1:33:46
  No, he doesn't get stupid. But you can see...
• 1:33:48
  He just stops boxing at range. You see the...
• 1:33:50
  You can see he gets like, this isn't working
• 1:33:54
  and I don't understand why and it makes me angry.
• 1:33:58
  I feel like, and this could be a personality
• 1:34:00
  thing too from a long time ago too, where like...
• 1:34:04
  He probably had it trained out of him and just
• 1:34:07
  reverts rather than... I can agree with that.
• 1:34:12
  Most people I see online treat it like a progression
• 1:34:16
  where like, you know, some fighters... No. No,
• 1:34:20
  this is a reversion. He suppresses it when things
• 1:34:25
  are going well, but when things are not going
• 1:34:28
  well, his true personality comes out. It's almost
• 1:34:32
  like he has tunnel vision, because the offense
• 1:34:34
  is still flourishing and creative, and it's different,
• 1:34:39
  but just defensively, he just does not see punches
• 1:34:42
  coming from outside of his direct in front of
• 1:34:47
  him. He's going to go through you, and it doesn't
• 1:34:50
  matter. And I really like that. Because a lot
• 1:34:52
  of Inoue's opponents kind of shrink away from
• 1:34:56
  the dogfight instead of leaping into it. He doesn't
• 1:35:03
  shrink away, but I just think it clouds his adjustment.
• 1:35:09
  If Inoue was a different kind of fighter, he'd
• 1:35:13
  totally just... Yeah. If it was a Shakur Stevenson,
• 1:35:18
  but smaller. He would just move out of it. But
• 1:35:23
  no, Nakatani doesn't do that. He gets more like,
• 1:35:26
  not street fighty because he's not dirty, but
• 1:35:31
  he moves into the fight. Yeah, and Inoue responds
• 1:35:36
  so well to it because he doesn't... If Inoue
• 1:35:39
  just wanted to win and win clearly, like you
• 1:35:42
  just... He would have boxed him, but he didn't.
• 1:35:45
  Inoue will always get drawn into a dogfight,
• 1:35:48
  which is part of why I like him. It's a good
• 1:35:51
  matchup. It's not the smartest, but it's entertaining.
• 1:35:56
  For that reason, I think both guys beat Bam,
• 1:36:00
  though, because I don't think... Bam is a wonderful
• 1:36:04
  fighter at distance, but if you notice, he's
• 1:36:08
  an in -and -out guy. Yeah, if you can crowd him.
• 1:36:14
  Yeah, he meets guys at the singular point. So
• 1:36:17
  Inoue would crowd him, and Nakatani would just
• 1:36:20
  meet him at the singular point. Yeah. But my
• 1:36:24
  point is, because we should probably move on
• 1:36:26
  to the actual terrifying American card. Yeah,
• 1:36:30
  sorry, Leo. Don't even dare stick this on Patreon.
• 1:36:37
  We've been doing three hours of podcasts now.
• 1:36:40
  Yeah, no, I was just enjoying the conversation.
• 1:36:44
  it's good it's just it was like no it was fucking
• 1:36:47
  fantastic you guys were like explaining the fight
• 1:36:50
  a lot better than i could have so like if i if
• 1:36:54
  i could legally like do one of the fight breakdowns
• 1:36:58
  because like all those guys are sponsored by
• 1:37:00
  the zone i would because it'd be fun but this
• 1:37:03
  is this is my compromise it's more content it
• 1:37:06
  would be patreon time though um what i could
• 1:37:11
  okay um i'll save this comment for after the
• 1:37:13
  podcast all right let's roll on let's go on we
• 1:37:17
  still have another major fight to get to we can
• 1:37:20
  skip we could skip the top tier one i'm yeah
• 1:37:23
  i okay so just really quickly sam noakes he got
• 1:37:27
  a stoppage in two over benito sanchez remember
• 1:37:31
  shinada we were talking about benito the like
• 1:37:34
  17 and fucking five million Mexican fighter that
• 1:37:39
  was getting brought in by the Brits. The Brits
• 1:37:44
  were... Mexicans aren't so scary. He's now 17
• 1:37:47
  and 5 million and 1. Another loss. Stoppage in
• 1:37:53
  2. PBC. This was on DAZN and Prime. I had the
• 1:38:00
  DAZN commentary. Valley gave me shit like, why
• 1:38:05
  would you get the DAZN one? Because I got DAZN
• 1:38:09
  Ultimate. I don't know, man. Because you paid.
• 1:38:11
  I already paid for it. The rest of us also paid,
• 1:38:14
  but for different... In different ways. In different
• 1:38:17
  ways, yeah. Don't worry. We still support this
• 1:38:20
  sport legally. Of course. Don't we all? The first
• 1:38:25
  one that I had a question mark about was Oscar
• 1:38:28
  Duarte gets the split decision over Angel Fierro?
• 1:38:33
  I'm not so sure about what I saw. I'm not so
• 1:38:36
  sure he won that one. I don't think so. That
• 1:38:38
  was a draw. At best for Oscar. That was a draw.
• 1:38:43
  I will say that, like, a lot of the early rounds
• 1:38:48
  people gave Fiyero are just, like, it's not convincing.
• 1:38:51
  You think they just gave it on activity? Yeah,
• 1:38:55
  like, a lot of... Not on clean work. Not on clean
• 1:38:57
  work. Because I will say Duarte, like, until
• 1:38:59
  Duarte got, like, fucked in the seventh, sixth
• 1:39:02
  or seventh, Yeah. Like, Duarte was pretty one
• 1:39:06
  -way, just by the fact that, like, they're both
• 1:39:09
  pretty close -up fighters, and Fiera was always
• 1:39:12
  the one backing up from exchanges. True. True
• 1:39:16
  point. Like, if you use that as your measuring
• 1:39:17
  stick, because they're both, like, they're not
• 1:39:20
  fighters. They're not complicated fighters that
• 1:39:23
  you need to actually, like... hop in the slow
• 1:39:26
  -mo and analyze the footage with you don't need
• 1:39:29
  to have like 45 minutes of conversation about
• 1:39:32
  their fight literally like they're gonna collide
• 1:39:35
  and whoever backs up lost the exchange and that
• 1:39:37
  was fiero good point so i will i will say the
• 1:39:42
  draw was justified a duarte win was absolutely
• 1:39:46
  not because jesus christ he got hammered in the
• 1:39:50
  second half yeah yeah Speaking of guys... People
• 1:39:57
  should watch it. Yeah. Oh, it was fun. It was
• 1:40:01
  fun. Speaking of guys who got hammered, Armando
• 1:40:05
  Resendiz loses his WBA super middleweight title
• 1:40:09
  to Jaime Munguia in a... It was a sweep? Basically
• 1:40:15
  a sweep, but I just... I mean, Munguia deserved
• 1:40:19
  it. I'm not going to argue with the cards. They're
• 1:40:22
  wide. But... I was disappointed in Resendiz.
• 1:40:28
  Very. If we're talking about the cards, I don't
• 1:40:31
  think 118 -110 is that much more satisfying than
• 1:40:35
  120 -108. Doesn't matter. No. So, I don't care.
• 1:40:42
  Resendiz looked intimidated. He could not need
• 1:40:48
  the moment. He looked intimidated by Munguia.
• 1:40:54
  Which is... Which is fucking sad. What are you
• 1:40:57
  doing? Like... What are you doing? That's just...
• 1:41:03
  I mean, Saul had it right last week that I'll
• 1:41:05
  never trust any victim of Elijah Garcia. Yeah.
• 1:41:09
  Should've believed him. I just... I was out of
• 1:41:13
  seething hatred for Munguia. No, 100%. And me
• 1:41:18
  and Leo talked about this. That, like, you can't
• 1:41:21
  back somebody... who got sparked by some unknown
• 1:41:26
  Frenchman and then popped for pads on a unanimous
• 1:41:30
  decision against said Frenchman. Like, I can't
• 1:41:34
  trust a guy who went life and death with Gabe
• 1:41:36
  Rosado and got fucking chin -checked by Spike
• 1:41:41
  O'Sullivan. Yeah. Life and death with Sergei
• 1:41:45
  Derevyanchenko in his late 30s. Yeah, like...
• 1:41:50
  No, Sergei's good, though. Took five rounds to
• 1:41:55
  take out Kilrain Kelly in 2022. Yeah. I was a
• 1:42:04
  Munguia fan very early on, but I can't be anymore.
• 1:42:08
  I just can't. You know what's crazy? This is
• 1:42:12
  probably going to be the only time I've ever
• 1:42:14
  seen the Nevada State Athletic Commission save
• 1:42:16
  someone. Because Golden Boy wanted to cash him
• 1:42:19
  out in 2018. Against Triple G, right? Yeah. You
• 1:42:24
  know who they put in instead of? Marta Rosian.
• 1:42:27
  They put Marta Rosian, who was a 147 guy. Ridiculous.
• 1:42:34
  Golden Boy was fully on board with, this guy
• 1:42:38
  sucks, we're cashing him out. Nope. And then
• 1:42:42
  he basically a fluke win against Sadam Ali. And
• 1:42:46
  now we're here. I was a Munguia fan, but I have
• 1:42:54
  thrown him to the side because he's going to
• 1:42:57
  hold that belt hostage because I'm Yakub. Who's
• 1:43:00
  Yakub? Yakub Banks. Yeah, he's WBO. This is a
• 1:43:04
  belt. This was for a belt. WBA. WBA. So he's
• 1:43:09
  going to hold that shit hostage because Osley's
• 1:43:10
  is IBF firmly. Yaku Bank is WBO. Tom Zasheraz
• 1:43:16
  is like fighting for the full title, WBO title.
• 1:43:21
  And Yaku Bank has a claim there. Then there's
• 1:43:26
  Martinez is still WBC route. And Mbili Canelo.
• 1:43:32
  Munguia does not deserve a belt. He doesn't,
• 1:43:35
  but, like, that's what I'm saying. Like, just
• 1:43:37
  the Nevada State Athletic Commission being like,
• 1:43:39
  you can't. No, that was the California state
• 1:43:41
  that saved him from Triple G. Yeah. Yeah. They
• 1:43:45
  literally go, literally the, like, you can't
• 1:43:47
  feed him this blatantly. And now we're here.
• 1:43:52
  That's literally the only reason we're here with
• 1:43:54
  Munguia. Poopy. But David Benavidez knocks out.
• 1:44:04
  Gilberto Ramirez in six. Shanara, your boyfriend
• 1:44:10
  got his ass kicked. This was not what I wanted
• 1:44:14
  or expected. I was shocked. I was backing Zerto,
• 1:44:21
  but I kind of knew he probably would lose. You
• 1:44:23
  were backing Zerto? For the wrong reasons. I
• 1:44:25
  was. For the wrong reason. Jesus Christ. Boner
• 1:44:29
  brain affects women too, apparently, dog. It
• 1:44:32
  does. 100 % it does. Blood just all out of your
• 1:44:37
  head. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, Jesus, man. But
• 1:44:40
  in my defense, I did say I thought it was a long
• 1:44:44
  shot, but I was going to back him anyways. But
• 1:44:49
  this was not even close. This was fucking, this
• 1:44:52
  was a mugging. This was ridiculous. I thought
• 1:44:57
  Zerto would have enough chin and enough power
• 1:45:03
  back just because he was at the weight class
• 1:45:06
  and had been there for a while. I was super fucking
• 1:45:09
  wrong. And Benavidez bent him over, basically.
• 1:45:12
  Yeah, yeah. No, this was fucking crazy. Idiots
• 1:45:17
  online. Yeah, Benavidez goes out, destroys the
• 1:45:20
  best guy at cruiserweight, and people are being...
• 1:45:25
  shitheads over one elbow and I'm like, brother.
• 1:45:30
  They're saying Benavides threw an elbow? Basically,
• 1:45:35
  you know how Benavides throws his combos past,
• 1:45:37
  but he brings it all the way back before throwing,
• 1:45:39
  which is what the terrifying part is. They aren't
• 1:45:42
  shoe shines. They're just full gas power shots.
• 1:45:48
  There is a clip of one of them from above where
• 1:45:51
  he brings it back and it hits Serto in the face.
• 1:45:54
  Is this the fucking same thing as the Inoue headbutt
• 1:45:58
  bullshit? Yeah, basically. It's copium. It is
• 1:46:02
  copium. The thing is that the Inoue headbutt,
• 1:46:04
  whatever, it's a clash of heads. Blatantly, it's
• 1:46:07
  a joke cope position. It is a clash of heads,
• 1:46:12
  but if we're doing clash of heads, Nakatani has
• 1:46:14
  had so many more than Inoue. If you're blaming
• 1:46:18
  anyone, blame Nakatani. But... That completely
• 1:46:24
  flies in the face of the cope position. I don't
• 1:46:32
  think people think... I have no cope for Zerdo.
• 1:46:35
  Zerdo just lost. Yeah, I don't think... I just
• 1:46:43
  don't think people think sometimes when they
• 1:46:45
  watch highlights on social media. And some people,
• 1:46:50
  especially because if you don't watch, like,
• 1:46:53
  live boxing or you've never boxed, you don't
• 1:46:57
  have, like, it's just an accumulated eye for
• 1:47:00
  stuff when it's live in front of you. I've never
• 1:47:03
  boxed, but I'm not an idiot. No, but I'm saying,
• 1:47:09
  like, watching it live or watching it, like,
• 1:47:11
  in fast motion, the replay, if you don't know
• 1:47:14
  what's going on, you go, oh, he elbowed Zerto.
• 1:47:17
  But realistically, if you know Benavidez doesn't
• 1:47:20
  shoeshine, he throws everything up. He brings
• 1:47:23
  it back and throws it again and brings it back
• 1:47:25
  and throws it again. Full mustard. That's just
• 1:47:29
  what happens. You watch live boxing or you've
• 1:47:32
  thrown something with your own mechanics. It
• 1:47:35
  happens sometimes. Yeah, like accidents happen.
• 1:47:40
  Especially because I'm like, let's be real. The
• 1:47:43
  elbow to Zerdo's mouth. whatever, is not change
• 1:47:47
  the other 40 punches he takes in that sequence.
• 1:47:50
  That's not why Zerto quit. That was a misspeak,
• 1:47:57
  but the reason Zerto got knocked out was his
• 1:48:00
  eye. It's not his mouth. It doesn't matter if
• 1:48:04
  he got elbowed in the mouth. I'm just going to
• 1:48:10
  say it happens. I don't care. But I think it's
• 1:48:14
  the... 40 million other punches that he took
• 1:48:16
  straight to the dome. I will say, you know what?
• 1:48:20
  You can say Zerto quit, Zerto got stopped, whatever.
• 1:48:25
  That's not what I meant. It was just me speaking.
• 1:48:28
  But I do understand, like, just the way the stoppage
• 1:48:31
  looked was just he got forced out of the fight.
• 1:48:34
  He didn't quit. You could almost get mad at the
• 1:48:37
  fucking, what is this corner doing? Did you hear
• 1:48:40
  his corner in between some of the rounds the
• 1:48:42
  PPC feed was showing it? And they're like, all
• 1:48:45
  right, you got him right where you want him.
• 1:48:47
  Like, just keep him. They were like, all right,
• 1:48:52
  so you've got him still throwing at you. Just
• 1:48:54
  throw in between his punches. And I'm like, guys,
• 1:48:57
  get the towel ready. That's fucking ridiculous.
• 1:49:01
  It was during one where, like, Zerto's spitting
• 1:49:04
  up blood. Zerto's eyes closed here, and the other
• 1:49:07
  eye looks like Michael Jordan jaundice because
• 1:49:09
  it's so bloodshot. And they're telling him, okay,
• 1:49:13
  just throw between his shots. Like, throw in
• 1:49:16
  the towel. Pull him out. Like, I'm not going
• 1:49:21
  to get bad at watching a Benavidez fight where
• 1:49:23
  they don't pull him out. I think you can go back
• 1:49:26
  to, like, when we were doing the Discord live
• 1:49:28
  chat for his fight with Caleb Plant. I'm fucking,
• 1:49:31
  round nine, I'm like, just throw in the towel.
• 1:49:34
  What's the point of Caleb Plant getting... I
• 1:49:36
  was saying that about round, like, four. It was
• 1:49:39
  like, we don't need to see any more of this.
• 1:49:42
  Yeah, round... Round four, when I saw him land
• 1:49:44
  60 punches straight with like Zerto, the most
• 1:49:47
  Zerto did was put his hands up a little tighter.
• 1:49:49
  Like, nah, I'm done. Yeah. We're good. We've
• 1:49:52
  seen enough. This was a very early, my guy is
• 1:49:57
  losing. It's full credit to Benavidez because
• 1:50:01
  let's be real, like even like Prime Better BF
• 1:50:05
  was he's going to knock you out. But this is
• 1:50:09
  like. Jesus Christ. He's going to damage you.
• 1:50:13
  He's going to hurt you. This is Subrio Matias,
• 1:50:15
  but you know Subrio Matias could only do it against
• 1:50:18
  fringe world class? Yeah. This is just like,
• 1:50:22
  Jesus Christ. That's the only thing I have to
• 1:50:27
  say. I should have had an article up by now.
• 1:50:30
  I'm just trying to find the words on like, this
• 1:50:33
  is a very scary offensive power. And the worst
• 1:50:37
  part is he's gotten better at cutting off the
• 1:50:40
  ring with time. Because I'm not going to say
• 1:50:44
  Zerto's good at escaping, but I'm saying if a
• 1:50:47
  fighter is trying their best to run away from
• 1:50:50
  you, usually they do. And you've noticed it since
• 1:50:56
  the Andrade fight. Because, yeah, Andrade started
• 1:51:00
  on his front foot, but Andrade's also great at
• 1:51:02
  getting away from you. And it's just taking less
• 1:51:07
  and less time for David to catch up to guys every
• 1:51:09
  time, and that's scary. Yeah, no. I didn't expect
• 1:51:14
  it to go like this. I honestly, if I'm being
• 1:51:20
  unbiased, which is very hard for me, Benavidez
• 1:51:23
  has faster hands. I didn't know if his power
• 1:51:28
  would come up as well, because Zerto has a great
• 1:51:30
  chin. But... I didn't expect it to go like this.
• 1:51:36
  No, it's just, it's terrifying offensive power.
• 1:51:40
  Yeah. Like, I used to... Yeah. I used to have
• 1:51:46
  Virgil as my, like, top offense in the sport
• 1:51:51
  because, let's be real, Virgil was a very creative,
• 1:51:54
  very destructive offense. But after... benavidez
• 1:52:00
  doing that it's just like one thing is like to
• 1:52:04
  move benavidez up on my pound for pound 100 yeah
• 1:52:07
  like one thing is you are like like recognizing
• 1:52:11
  like this is a very creative flourishing offense
• 1:52:14
  that is able to find ways to a guy and the other
• 1:52:18
  is this is scary he's breaking guys yeah And
• 1:52:23
  it's not just he's breaking bums or he's breaking,
• 1:52:26
  like, he moved up 40 pounds to break a guy where
• 1:52:32
  you joke. A, he's still a weight terrorist at
• 1:52:37
  cruiserweight. He comes in 230 on 5K. He's still
• 1:52:42
  a weight terrorist. Zerto is one of the biggest
• 1:52:45
  weight terrorists, period. But also, like, we've
• 1:52:49
  watched... You could break a fucking 2x4 over
• 1:52:52
  Zerto's head and he wouldn't flinch. I'm not
• 1:52:56
  even saying, like, be of all. I'm saying, like,
• 1:52:57
  at Cruiserweight, like, Joe Smith Jr., he was
• 1:53:01
  slow enough for Joe Smith Jr. to land home run
• 1:53:04
  shots on him. But he didn't really even flinch
• 1:53:08
  against Joe Smith Jr. And it's not even, like,
• 1:53:11
  even when he was drained at 168, like, Andres
• 1:53:14
  Fonfara is a, like... Tough SOB. Yeah. No, I
• 1:53:21
  did not expect this to go like this. No. And
• 1:53:25
  people who say, like, I expected Benavides to
• 1:53:28
  show the level of boxing acumen. But that's not
• 1:53:32
  what he showed. He just showed his fucking...
• 1:53:34
  No, it's just a demolition job. Yeah. I agree.
• 1:53:38
  Demolition job is a good way to put it. Jesus.
• 1:53:44
  Not like this. I made fun of Benavidez for stealing
• 1:53:49
  Inouye's nickname. Yeah. But Benavidez does actually
• 1:53:56
  deserve El Monstro. I really like Bandera Roja.
• 1:54:00
  I like that one. I do too. I really like that.
• 1:54:05
  I've said this on the podcast. It's a much better
• 1:54:08
  nickname. But I guess El Monstro is more global.
• 1:54:17
  yeah it's better for the marketing but like bandera
• 1:54:19
  roja is so like it's like just so it's so evocative
• 1:54:24
  it's so tough it's so evocative of like what
• 1:54:29
  he does yeah no i like it if you want to get
• 1:54:33
  if you want to get all solipsistic with it and
• 1:54:35
  like you know make it in the more than it is
• 1:54:38
  like it is basically you're painting like you're
• 1:54:40
  painting a fucking white flag red with it yeah
• 1:54:44
  No, I like it better. I wish he hadn't changed.
• 1:54:49
  That being said, I just love that, like, you
• 1:54:52
  know, he's friends with Zerto, dude. Like, this
• 1:54:55
  is what he does to his friends. He's actual,
• 1:54:58
  like, he's been a part of Zerto's camp since
• 1:55:00
  he was a teenager. Like, back when he sparred
• 1:55:02
  with Golovkin and everything. Yeah. This is a
• 1:55:04
  friend of his. And I'm just looking, like, what,
• 1:55:08
  like, the fucking little, like, he does whenever
• 1:55:11
  a guy is down. It's just like, oh my God, he
• 1:55:15
  didn't want to stop. He's interrupted by the
• 1:55:17
  guy going down. No, this was a scary performance
• 1:55:23
  by Benavidez in the best way possible. No, we
• 1:55:27
  talked about wanting to see him go up, but no,
• 1:55:31
  I want to see if anybody his size has anything
• 1:55:35
  for him. I think Betterbiev has one of the better
• 1:55:41
  shots. No, I don't see it. He's got a solid chin.
• 1:55:45
  Beterbiev has a chin, has good recovery, and
• 1:55:52
  at least power to make Benavidez aware. Because
• 1:55:55
  I will say, if there's anything Zerto was lacking
• 1:55:57
  in, it was the power department to really make
• 1:56:01
  Benavidez honest. I don't think that Beterbiev
• 1:56:07
  has the power to make... No, it's just, like,
• 1:56:12
  I think he's the closest to doing so. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:56:15
  I agree. Also, I think it goes similar. Because
• 1:56:19
  if you draw Bivol's, like, in -ring patterns,
• 1:56:22
  everyone says, oh, Bivol's just going to box
• 1:56:25
  him in and out, but I'm like, Benavidez cuts
• 1:56:27
  off the ring very, very well. Like, you, like,
• 1:56:33
  at the point he fought Caleb Plant, Caleb Plant
• 1:56:35
  still had eight or nine good rounds in him, and
• 1:56:38
  he made it four good rounds. Yeah. Because I
• 1:56:42
  will say, like, again, Caleb Plant and, like,
• 1:56:45
  prime Caleb Plant will look like the best boxer,
• 1:56:48
  the best moving boxer who ever lived for eight
• 1:56:51
  to nine rounds. And then he'll look like shit.
• 1:56:56
  Benavidez made it four rounds just on cutting
• 1:56:59
  off the ring and getting to him. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:57:02
  I don't think anybody beats Benavidez right now
• 1:57:05
  in his, like, weight. I think it's a little bit
• 1:57:10
  of a overreaction because we haven't seen the
• 1:57:15
  full potential of like... Like, Osley's is really
• 1:57:18
  big. For 168, it really does seem like his end
• 1:57:22
  point is 175. But like... Maybe. This is all...
• 1:57:30
  But can Osley's take that kind of power? It's
• 1:57:35
  an intriguing fight. I'm not saying. I think
• 1:57:38
  Osley's can land the one shot in between. Maybe.
• 1:57:43
  Which is, if you've noticed, it's just what is
• 1:57:46
  needed because Benavidez, once he's on, he'll
• 1:57:48
  cut off the ring to get to you. But once he's
• 1:57:51
  on you, he's very like, you saw how he got caught
• 1:57:54
  by a Gavriel with the singular jab and it just,
• 1:57:56
  he's off balance. And that was a desperation
• 1:58:00
  jab and not something with some mustard on it.
• 1:58:04
  Yeah, I might be overreacting. It's a bit of
• 1:58:07
  an overreaction because he still has clear holes.
• 1:58:11
  But the flaws make him more enticing. Because
• 1:58:15
  everybody is... Let's be real. If you look at
• 1:58:19
  Zerto's corner, that was the plan too. Catch
• 1:58:22
  him while he's throwing. But Zerto's hands were
• 1:58:25
  just too slow. No, he's made of cement. But I'm
• 1:58:27
  saying, like, better BF has the patience and
• 1:58:31
  the, like... Peter BF can get it from point A
• 1:58:34
  to point B. It's just whether the punishment
• 1:58:37
  piles up. It's not like Zerto who just completely
• 1:58:41
  couldn't. Yeah. Yeah. Osley's can. It's just
• 1:58:47
  whether he wants to. And if he can take the return
• 1:58:53
  fire. I don't know if we've seen Osley's checked
• 1:58:57
  with real power. No. But he's also like... But
• 1:59:02
  it's, that's, again, we're grasping at straws
• 1:59:06
  that the guys right now were looking at the future.
• 1:59:09
  Yeah. Because you're missing a guy who, like,
• 1:59:12
  they're missing a guy at 175 who can really get
• 1:59:16
  you between shots. Like, an all -time matchup
• 1:59:20
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• 1:59:22
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  guys who really can just, they can... get the
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  one shot out of you, and then they can work.
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  Take the punishment, but return at the right
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• 1:59:41
  sense, and Tarver just has that set of balls
• 1:59:46
  to be able to do it. But no, this was a scary
• 1:59:51
  performance from Benavidez. I mean, if we're
• 1:59:57
  going further back in terms of all -time matchups,
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  We'll let you know. In Mannheim, Germany. Karen
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  Trikadzian versus Patti Donovan. So that's nice.
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  This might be fun. Let me check. I'm pretty sure
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  this is the IBF. Yeah, it's an IVF Eliminator.
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  No, it's Crocker. An IVF Eliminator, right. Sorry,
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  I wasn't sure if it was Crocker or Donovan who
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  won that fight. My bad. Karen should own this
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  guy. Karen's a lot better. Karen's a lot better
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  than people give him credit for. He was able
• 2:06:17
  to hang with Boots. That says a lot. This fight
• 2:06:22
  is just not going to be worth watching because
• 2:06:24
  Karen is incredibly, incredibly negative. He
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  is... Literally the example of a negative fighter
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  I use when discussing the concept of a guy who
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  you just can't get out of there. I'm just hoping
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  that Karen pulls it off because it makes boots
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  look better. Boots agenda must continue. Saturday,
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  May 16th, Queensbury on DAZN. What do we got
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  just puts her butt on my face. That was Chai.
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• 2:07:20
  Maxie Hughes versus Louis Sylvester. I think
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  they're trying to get Maxie Hughes trying to
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  take whatever shine they can at this point. Yeah,
• 2:07:36
  he's kind of done. Who is Louis Sylvester? He's
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  British. No, but is he anybody? And he has one
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  knockout loss to Sam Noakes. To Sam Noakes. Of
• 2:07:47
  all people, you're going to lose two. I mean,
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  it's not the worst loss you can have. No, but
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  it's just that we only care about the main event.
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  We care about Piss Jugs. David Piss Jugs Allen
• 2:08:02
  vs. Phillip Hergevich. This should actually be
• 2:08:06
  fun. Well, not fun, but like... I don't even
• 2:08:12
  think that. I'm like a Dave Allen fan. The storyline
• 2:08:17
  is good. I want... I want Dave Allen to keep
• 2:08:25
  boxing because as soon as he stops boxing, he
• 2:08:28
  will die. No, he is a kid now. He stopped. That
• 2:08:33
  doesn't matter. No, no. Dave Allen goes into
• 2:08:37
  deep depression as soon as he's out of training
• 2:08:40
  and his sister has to try and keep him alive.
• 2:08:43
  And it makes me sad. And I just want Dave Allen
• 2:08:46
  to do well. I want him to win just one of these
• 2:08:50
  fights against anyone good. Not good. Against
• 2:08:53
  anyone. I just want him to win one of these fights.
• 2:08:57
  Because I want to see what the hell they try
• 2:08:59
  to justify after it. If he beats Herkovich, he
• 2:09:05
  probably gets Tyson Fury in July. Well, he's
• 2:09:08
  been calling for Zhang. That's what I mean. I
• 2:09:13
  want him to win exactly one of these to see what
• 2:09:16
  abomination they justify. Do you remember the
• 2:09:20
  meme, I'm only two fights away from AJ, and it
• 2:09:23
  turned out the two fights weren't his, it was
• 2:09:25
  two losses from AJ that would have gotten AJ
• 2:09:28
  down to that level? That's the type of thing.
• 2:09:30
  It's either Zhang or Tyson Fury in July if he
• 2:09:34
  wins this. Tyson Fury does want a warm -up, as
• 2:09:39
  he calls it. And if he beat back Madoff, it would
• 2:09:45
  have been him already with Fury. I just... I
• 2:09:50
  don't know. Dave Allen makes me sad. I want him
• 2:09:55
  to not be sad. He's the closest we have to, like,
• 2:09:59
  someone from our Discord server. Shut up. I was
• 2:10:02
  just saying anyone. He reminds me more of Isaac.
• 2:10:06
  No, no. Dave Allen is Robbie. His lack of discipline
• 2:10:10
  has given Isaac. But he's like, he's basically,
• 2:10:14
  if you just compress the chat room into one person.
• 2:10:17
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. You get David Allen. I just
• 2:10:20
  want to cheer for him. No, I know. I've been
• 2:10:23
  a super fan forever because it's so funny that
• 2:10:25
  he's just some guy who doesn't train, gets off
• 2:10:28
  his couch, and makes more money than I'll ever
• 2:10:31
  see to lose. But not even lose on purpose. People
• 2:10:35
  keep believing in him and giving him money. His
• 2:10:40
  life when he's not boxing makes me so sad. I
• 2:10:43
  want him to keep boxing so he doesn't die. He's
• 2:10:48
  going to die. Oh, my God. He's going to die no
• 2:10:51
  matter what. He's going to die, but it's one
• 2:10:55
  of those things where when, like, people die
• 2:10:57
  of depression and shit that you don't know. Like,
• 2:11:04
  they take a lot of damage to the head. They don't
• 2:11:07
  realize that they're all. I don't even think
• 2:11:09
  that's Dave Allen's problem. No, because long
• 2:11:13
  before he even had, like, inklings of CTE, he
• 2:11:16
  was doing the pissing and jugs. Yeah, he's just
• 2:11:20
  a very sad man that got some amount of fame and,
• 2:11:26
  like, success in boxing. But I want to keep that
• 2:11:33
  rolling because he's just so sad. I just... I
• 2:11:41
  just think it's funny, and I love fat heavyweights
• 2:11:43
  who do nothing but punch each other. They don't
• 2:11:46
  even try to box. Yeah. It always has a place.
• 2:11:51
  He can beat Filip Hergovich, but... No. I don't
• 2:11:57
  know if he will. You know who I wanted to fight
• 2:12:00
  ever? I wanted to fight Big Gug. Nice. That is
• 2:12:05
  a good matchup. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I wanted him
• 2:12:09
  to fight Adam Kawanaki back before Kawanaki got
• 2:12:12
  erased. Oh, Kawanaki would be good. That would
• 2:12:14
  have been a good shout back then. Right now,
• 2:12:16
  I want him to fight Big Gug. I don't want him
• 2:12:18
  to fight like... Like, Hergovic is boring to
• 2:12:21
  me because Hergovic is boring and Will just like...
• 2:12:24
  Yeah. No, 100 % for me, David Allen is not the
• 2:12:30
  fight. it's the outside the ring i feel so bad
• 2:12:36
  for you actually the first time i ever i think
• 2:12:40
  i forget who he fought it was before he fought
• 2:12:42
  like luis ortiz but he showed up and like as
• 2:12:46
  he was stepping on stage for the way and he just
• 2:12:48
  starts putting socks in his crotch like the the
• 2:12:51
  underwear crotch oh for the rhino bit yeah like
• 2:12:55
  that was the first like that was the first like
• 2:12:57
  interaction with them and i was in like high
• 2:12:59
  school so i'm like this is the funniest shit
• 2:13:00
  i've ever seen and now it's like david allen
• 2:13:05
  for me is 100 of personality and like yeah me
• 2:13:10
  wanting him as a person to not die yeah is why
• 2:13:14
  i cheer for him i think that's a valid reason
• 2:13:18
  it's valid the point is that um he's getting
• 2:13:21
  an at everyone ping Yes. Make peace with it.
• 2:13:25
  Leo, make it happen. I have to make peace with
• 2:13:29
  this. I'm not the one doing it. Last time it
• 2:13:34
  happened, you're like, who did it? And everyone
• 2:13:36
  was like, who do you think? Oh, my God. No one
• 2:13:43
  even got mad over it. The Discord does, I think,
• 2:13:47
  a little bit like gatekeep. Even the gens. I'm
• 2:13:51
  like. There's lots of shit we could degen. The
• 2:13:55
  degenerate things. It bugs me how little people
• 2:13:58
  use degens. That one we can abuse. That's the
• 2:14:04
  point of it. If people don't like it, just get
• 2:14:06
  rid of it. Dave Allen deserves everyone. Entirely
• 2:14:12
  so he doesn't die. We'll be sad when he retires.
• 2:14:15
  Shenandoah will be sad for perhaps the only moral
• 2:14:19
  reason. And the rest of us will be sad because
• 2:14:22
  that's one less horrible, horrible, horrible,
• 2:14:26
  horrible, horrible, horrible heavyweight punching
• 2:14:30
  another horrible heavyweight on our screen. I
• 2:14:33
  don't even watch heavyweights. I just feel...
• 2:14:35
  bad for me that's what i was saying like you
• 2:14:38
  knowing who dave allen is it's like this guy
• 2:14:40
  is the worst crossover star in boxing he crosses
• 2:14:46
  over for the worst reason he's he's like steven
• 2:14:50
  like he like the way people talk about him from
• 2:14:53
  like even outside of boxing because i've seen
• 2:14:55
  some nba twitter guys who know him um is how
• 2:15:00
  ridiculous is how like japanese boxing fans cheer
• 2:15:03
  on steven fulton I fucking hate Stephen Fulton.
• 2:15:07
  It's so funny. Like, Leigh, I showed you when
• 2:15:10
  I was on Twitter during the, like, Stephen Fulton
• 2:15:13
  or Shacky Foster fight, and there was a guy named,
• 2:15:16
  like, KKK Boxing, like, who's a Japanese boxing
• 2:15:19
  fan, going like... Go on, my son. Like, you got
• 2:15:22
  this, Fulton. Are you fucking kidding me? It's
• 2:15:27
  a huge thing. And you just look at his Twitter,
• 2:15:30
  and it's all racist. Like, this guy's a Japanese
• 2:15:33
  racist, but he loves Stephen Fulton. Makes Inouye
• 2:15:37
  look better. Literally, I think that's what it
• 2:15:41
  is. No, but he'll look at that, and he'll, like,
• 2:15:43
  one of them, it wasn't the KKK one, one of them
• 2:15:46
  had a comment about Inouye's skin being too dark.
• 2:15:49
  And then they like Stephen Fulton. in a way skin
• 2:15:52
  is too dark the actual skin color stuff here
• 2:15:56
  is fucking crazy yeah like that's what i'm saying
• 2:15:59
  like i saw a comment of like in a way skin's
• 2:16:02
  too dark the guy's a stephen fulton japanese
• 2:16:03
  stephen fulton fan and that's ioka ioka is the
• 2:16:09
  dark skin japanese he's whiter than i am and
• 2:16:13
  i'm white as fuck like No, I know. So that's
• 2:16:16
  why I'm, like, with Dave Allen, I'm, like, that's
• 2:16:18
  what Dave Allen fans remind me of. Just, like,
• 2:16:21
  it's deranged in the best possible way. No, yeah,
• 2:16:25
  it doesn't make sense, but go with your heart.
• 2:16:29
  Like, this guy's 6 '3 and has, like, Canelo's
• 2:16:32
  reach. That's so sad. I don't hide my bias at
• 2:16:40
  all. My boxing takes are based on my heart, but
• 2:16:44
  I think the listeners know. We can't take you
• 2:16:51
  serious, but it's still entertaining. I like
• 2:16:54
  to think I'm a consistent critic when it comes
• 2:16:57
  to my serious stuff here in chat. Absolutely
• 2:16:59
  not. But no, you're consistently just a pessimist.
• 2:17:06
  Yeah. That's because I'm very dat boi nice, but
• 2:17:10
  when dat boi is not nice, I can't look past it.
• 2:17:14
  Dat boi trash. When dat boi is not nice, I can't
• 2:17:17
  look past it. That's ridiculous. There's many
• 2:17:19
  levels. I know, and I do objectively analyze
• 2:17:23
  it, but also my opinion is dat boi nice or dat
• 2:17:27
  boi trash. Or dat boi entertaining. Dat boi entertaining
• 2:17:34
  is dat boi nice. Jin Sasaki is like the lowest
• 2:17:37
  rung of that boy nice. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh,
• 2:17:43
  man. We got to roll on. We got one more card.
• 2:17:47
  Top rank at the Scope Arena in Norfolk, Virginia.
• 2:17:51
  We have Keon Davis, Calvin Davis, and in the
• 2:17:59
  main event, Keyshawn Davis. And they're all fighting
• 2:18:03
  the hero Albright backstage. I was going to say,
• 2:18:07
  who's getting jumped backstage? Who's getting
• 2:18:09
  jumped backstage? We do have Brian Norman versus
• 2:18:13
  Josh Wagner at Welterweight. This might be fun.
• 2:18:19
  Maybe. Oh, man, I have heard of Josh Wagner.
• 2:18:22
  That sucks. He's Canadian. Of course you've heard
• 2:18:26
  of him. He's not great. That's why. He can't
• 2:18:32
  even make it to, like, Lackalimi. He's fighting
• 2:18:34
  in, like, Brampton. He lost to Harlan Eubank
• 2:18:38
  and David Papo. Yeah, those are not good names.
• 2:18:42
  Losing to Papo is fucking sad, by the way. By
• 2:18:46
  knockout. Yep. Papo knocked you out in seven.
• 2:18:52
  Papo or Papot? It's Papo. He's French. Papo.
• 2:18:56
  He's French. Oh, he is French. Okay. And he lost
• 2:18:59
  a very... He lost a UD to Liam Parrow most recently.
• 2:19:04
  That's... Yeah, that's where I remember him from.
• 2:19:07
  I was just like, fuck Josh Wagner. God damn it.
• 2:19:10
  This is the guy who can't even make it to the,
• 2:19:12
  like, nice casinos. That's a low fucking bar
• 2:19:17
  in Canada. Like, he's, like, Lac Limi is, like,
• 2:19:20
  right next to Ottawa. It's a nice casino. It's
• 2:19:22
  not a big venue, but it's, like, that's the bare
• 2:19:25
  minimum. Like, I will say the guys I follow,
• 2:19:29
  like, Eric Bazran and Logan Cloutier, they fight
• 2:19:33
  at Lac Limi. Like I said, I can't even make it
• 2:19:36
  to Lac Limi. It's tough. If you're boxing in
• 2:19:38
  Canada, it's not good. As a Canadian, it's not
• 2:19:44
  good. Oh, it's rough. I like exactly one guy
• 2:19:47
  is that boy. Nice. Well, um, other than that,
• 2:19:53
  we have Keyshawn Davis versus Nahir Albright
• 2:19:56
  in the rematch. That's our main event. I know
• 2:20:02
  Keyshawn is probably going to win and it's going
• 2:20:05
  to be very convincing because Keyshawn has shockingly
• 2:20:08
  accelerated a fair bit since coming back without
• 2:20:10
  a proper trainer, but Nahir Albright winning.
• 2:20:17
  He's got to win one of these. He's got to sing
• 2:20:22
  for us one more time. It'd be really funny. I
• 2:20:33
  actually like Nahir Albright too. He's not bad
• 2:20:37
  with it. He's just a little too patient. I think
• 2:20:42
  it's his worst flaw. That's fair, yeah. But when
• 2:20:46
  he is on the attack, he's a very, very capable
• 2:20:51
  operator. He has a good job of getting to his
• 2:20:56
  guy. And I like watching him. With Frank Martin,
• 2:21:02
  it was a fun fight. Their first fight was a no
• 2:21:08
  contest, but... It was pretty close on the cards.
• 2:21:13
  It was a majority decision. It was a majority
• 2:21:17
  decision. That's close on the cards. It is close.
• 2:21:22
  It probably should have been a draw. It was only
• 2:21:25
  a no contest because Keyshawn Davis was a marijuana
• 2:21:30
  addict. Smoking the devil's lettuce in Texas.
• 2:21:38
  Not allowed. Not happening. Not acceptable. Brutal.
• 2:21:44
  But, I don't know, it should be uncompetitive,
• 2:21:48
  but that's what you said about the first one.
• 2:21:50
  But, it might not be. Might be really fun. Because...
• 2:21:56
  I don't know, there's something very pleasing,
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  because Albright doesn't come forward like a
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  traditional pressure fighter, which is part of
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  the problem, honestly, which is why it doesn't
• 2:22:07
  win. But there's just something about, like,
• 2:22:11
  Just the patience. It's very much like someone
• 2:22:15
  stalking their prey around the ring. It's nice.
• 2:22:19
  It's pleasing. This one's worth watching, probably.
• 2:22:26
  As a prediction, it's worth watching. Honestly,
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  the whole card is not terrible. It's not a bad
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  card. If you skip all the Davis brothers until
• 2:22:37
  the main... Just watch Brian Norman and then
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  skip to Keyshawn. Yeah, Brian, god damn, Brian
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  Norman. If he doesn't knock Josh Wagner out,
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  like, genuinely. That's embarrassing. If he does
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  not knock out Josh Wagner. Jin Sasaki needs to
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  retire, too. If he doesn't knock out Josh Wagner.
• 2:23:00
  That is true whether or not Brian Norman will
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  knock out Josh Wagner. 30 more rounds hard sparring
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  for Jin Sasaki. Just for me suggesting that he
• 2:23:11
  should retire. Yeah. That fight was so good.
• 2:23:16
  I know we're going back, but the Jin Sasaki fight
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  was great. It's going to come out after he retires
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  that he did like... All his training was just
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  hard sparring and weightlifting. Oh, no, no.
• 2:23:30
  Japan does not believe in weightlifting. That's
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  not a thing they do. We're just doubling up on
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  hard sparring. Oh, my God. Because, like, you
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  know speed skating. Yeah. And, like, weightlifting
• 2:23:43
  and short track speed skating go hand in hand.
• 2:23:47
  Okay. The Japanese short track speed skating
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  team did not lift. start lifting weights until
• 2:23:54
  2008 so it's just push -ups and hard sparring
• 2:23:59
  no it's just skating just just sparring for boxing
• 2:24:09
  we're gonna get like six terabytes of like 4k
• 2:24:14
  like gym sparring from every day of his career
• 2:24:18
  Oh, my God. I would actually sit and watch that.
• 2:24:22
  That's what I'm saying. I'm saying, like, Japan
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  could run the rest of the world out of business
• 2:24:25
  if they just hopped on Twitch and streamed every
• 2:24:28
  gym war. Yeah, 100%. Well, we're heading into
• 2:24:37
  Piss Jugs weekend. Do you have parting words?
• 2:24:43
  Don't piss in jugs. Toilets are perfectly acceptable.
• 2:24:47
  Do piss in jugs. Look at the amount of success
• 2:24:50
  a man who pisses in jugs has had. Okay. So this
• 2:24:54
  is going back to the Discord chat. But if you
• 2:24:58
  are a lady out at the bar and you need to use
• 2:25:03
  the bathroom, just fucking sit on the toilet.
• 2:25:05
  Don't hover. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. Okay.
• 2:25:45
  How many times have you sat down and been like,
• 2:25:47
  I just sat and pissed. This is the worst. Like
• 2:25:49
  a lot of this podcast. Oh my God, dude. Just
• 2:25:51
  pro box. Good. I'm done. Good. I'm out. Jesus
• 2:25:57
  Christ. I'm so sorry, Leo. Oh my God. It's okay.
• 2:26:05
  Pro box. Good. And on that note, we out. Oh my
• 2:26:12
  God. Thank you.