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ESPN Anchor, Ryan Smith describes successfully transitioning from being a legal analyst · The Steve Harvey Morning Show

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Speaker 1: account Soul My guests. So there's a very old friend.
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Speaker 1: His name is not in age. Is just an old friend,
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Speaker 1: Ryan Smith. He joined ESPN in February twenty seventeen. He
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Speaker 1: left me when I was still with Steve Harvey, just
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Speaker 1: watching them on TV. I was just doing radio with him,
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Speaker 1: this little low Steve Harvey Morning Show with the back
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Speaker 1: of the day hold of ESPN is outside the line
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Speaker 1: in East East sixty as well as New York based corresponding.
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Speaker 1: He added anchoring Sports Center to his role in twenty
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Speaker 1: and eighteen In addition to his role as the host,
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Speaker 1: Smith reports on feature stories and investigated pieces while providing
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Speaker 1: legal analysts across multiple ESPN platforms and ABC News. Before
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Speaker 1: joining ABC News, Smith served as the nightly news anchor
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Speaker 1: is CNS Headline News That's where we met. When he were,
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Speaker 1: he reported on a variety of stories, including the tragedy
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Speaker 1: of Sandy Hook Elementary School and some of the most
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Speaker 1: high profile trials, including the Casey Anthony trial and George Zimman.
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Speaker 1: As a legal analyst, he's offered perspective of many sports
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Speaker 1: related stories for ESPN, including recently to shift an n
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Speaker 1: c A a policy on or any money. He's here
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Speaker 1: today to talk about that. And by the way, he's
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Speaker 1: from Philadelphia and he's proud of it. Please welcome nobody
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Speaker 1: making conversations my man, Ryan Smith. How you doing, Ryan Good?
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Speaker 1: What's going on doing? I'm doing great, man, Just watching
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Speaker 1: a friend, you know, just see, you know, we all
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Speaker 1: got that hustle and uh of trying to And then
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Speaker 1: first of all, let me tell you that he ain't
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Speaker 1: through sitting there there doing some amazing things. But this
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Speaker 1: rise is still on the rise. And when I see
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Speaker 1: where you're adding what you're trying to achieve. What's the
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Speaker 1: goal for you, Ryan, what's the goal? You know? It's funny,
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Speaker 1: when I first started in this industry, I always had
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Speaker 1: this thing where every year I would say, well, I
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Speaker 1: want to have this role, I want to have this job,
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Speaker 1: I want to have this I want to anchor this show,
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Speaker 1: I want to leave this brand. And after a while
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Speaker 1: I just discovered Rashan that it wasn't getting me happy.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I felt like I was always chasing something.
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Speaker 1: So the goal actually for me right now is to
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Speaker 1: love what I do. And I know that's cliche, and
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Speaker 1: I know people are gonna be like, oh, whatever, man,
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Speaker 1: you would love love to like Frum the eleven o'clock
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Speaker 1: Sports Center. Actually, what I would love to do is
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Speaker 1: be able to continue to anchor, which is my favorite
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Speaker 1: thing in the world to do work wise, and still
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Speaker 1: have time to spend time with my boys. My family
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Speaker 1: got two boys, they're seven years old, twins, my wife.
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Speaker 1: I like having a balanced life. So for me, it's
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Speaker 1: not just about anchoring one show or doing one brand
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Speaker 1: or making this amount of money. For me, it's can
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Speaker 1: I continue to anchor shows that I love, that I'm
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Speaker 1: interested in and stuff that motivates me. And so right
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Speaker 1: now I'm kind of living my goal. But to be
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Speaker 1: honest with you, I mean, for me, it's continue to
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Speaker 1: do this work and continue to do it better and
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Speaker 1: better every day. Well you know it sports is really
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Speaker 1: um we see a transcendee. You know, we're seeing uh
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Speaker 1: the honesty. I remember with Kevin Love several years ago
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Speaker 1: admitted he had an emotional health crisis and that everybody went, wow,
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Speaker 1: it's proudly you to step out of you your your
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Speaker 1: your window, you know, your shale in a situation because
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Speaker 1: people used to say and then recently, um Dak Prescott
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Speaker 1: uh spoke of his issues that he was having emotionally.
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Speaker 1: And then if we look at now what happened with
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Speaker 1: Osaka when he pulled out of the French open, and
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Speaker 1: then we see what happens to Own Biles. When you
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Speaker 1: see as a reporter, that has to be a high
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Speaker 1: level of sensitivity because you can't take anything personal or
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Speaker 1: you can't judge anything. How has that changed your perspective?
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Speaker 1: Ryan Smith? Reporting just in general, but it's more importantly
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Speaker 1: on the platform at ESPN. Yeah, it's been really interesting
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Speaker 1: when Kevin Love came out with this statement and other
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Speaker 1: folks like Dak Prescott, like you mentioned, came out with
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Speaker 1: their statements about taking care of their mental health. We
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Speaker 1: recognize them, we heard them, but it never stopped them
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Speaker 1: from doing their athletic competitions. Now we're seeing athletes saying, look,
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Speaker 1: I know this is the biggest stage in the world,
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Speaker 1: but uh, you know at this time, it's not the
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Speaker 1: right time for me to perform. That's something we haven't
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Speaker 1: seen before. So I think for us, the important thing
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Speaker 1: is a like you say, not judge and be sensitive.
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Speaker 1: We are in a different time now. I know there
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Speaker 1: are people out there who are saying, what your mental health?
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Speaker 1: Come on, you're at the Olympics, Simone Biles. You gotta perform.
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Speaker 1: But you know what, we are in a different generation.
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Speaker 1: We are in a generation where I think, and I
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Speaker 1: give young people credit, where young people are willing to say,
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Speaker 1: you know what, there might be another opportunity down the road.
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Speaker 1: There might not be, But what's more important for me
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Speaker 1: is that I perform when I feel mentally right to perform.
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Speaker 1: And that's something we haven't seen before. I gotta say
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Speaker 1: it's something that I have never seen. I mean, I
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Speaker 1: can tell you many times when I played sports, and
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Speaker 1: I was younger. I was not in the right mind frame.
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Speaker 1: I felt like it was all the pressure was getting
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Speaker 1: to me and it was difficult, but I felt like
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Speaker 1: I had to do it. I think it's interesting that
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Speaker 1: the younger generations Simone Biles, Naomi Osaka and others are
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Speaker 1: stepping up and saying, I don't have to do this
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Speaker 1: if I don't feel right about doing it, and I
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Speaker 1: don't know Rushan, if there's anything wrong with that. I
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Speaker 1: think that's actually right. We assert that in our own lives.
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Speaker 1: We tell our own children, don't be bullied into doing something. Don't.
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Speaker 1: Don't people tell you to do something you don't want
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Speaker 1: to do it, you say no. We tell that to
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Speaker 1: our children, and yet on the biggest stage in the world,
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Speaker 1: when they're feeling uncomfortable, we say, I'm sure some people
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Speaker 1: out there are saying, you know what, no, go perform.
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Speaker 1: That's the antithesis of what we've been trying to establish
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Speaker 1: in our own lives. So I say, if I'm able
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Speaker 1: to do it in my own profession, in my own life,
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Speaker 1: I need to give that same leeway to to athletes
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Speaker 1: out there. And that's kind of how I approach it.
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Speaker 1: And reporting I don't judge, I don't say anything about that.
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Speaker 1: I acknowledge that it's different. But at the same time
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Speaker 1: I leave room for the explanation. Let's hear why, and
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Speaker 1: also let's be sensitive to why, understanding that everybody is
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Speaker 1: different and everybody has their own perspective when it comes
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Speaker 1: to mental health. Well, you know the thing about it
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Speaker 1: with your reference when you when you were playing and
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Speaker 1: you you was uncomfortable, but then when you was uncomfortable,
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Speaker 1: you didn't have to deal with social media. You don't
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Speaker 1: have to deal with the likes, the criticisms, And that's
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Speaker 1: really the baggage. I always tell people. Social media really
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Speaker 1: is your own personal press conference. You don't have to
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Speaker 1: call a press conference. You just post. And because of that,
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Speaker 1: you know, you have the cell phones where a video
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Speaker 1: can be you you can stream, and so they electronic
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Speaker 1: leash and so you can't really get away. You know,
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Speaker 1: back in the day, when I was going up, you know,
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Speaker 1: I can just I could, I was, I was, I
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Speaker 1: wasn't at home. Okay, when you called, that's not an
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Speaker 1: excuse anymore, you know, then they went, oh you I
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Speaker 1: text you, I didn't get your text. Guess that excuse
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Speaker 1: you anymore. And so now if you some on biles
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Speaker 1: and you and you stumble, or you or you do
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Speaker 1: a spin or you fall off the balance being she
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Speaker 1: goes to the home, it's criticism and some of its
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Speaker 1: just nasty. And then it's the the commercial endorsement of
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Speaker 1: people that put you on the pedestal. All of that,
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Speaker 1: and then the highlight reels whether they're whether the instances
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Speaker 1: or not to go to go home, and you realize
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Speaker 1: that you can't watch TV, you can't watch the media
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Speaker 1: because they we have all have their base stories. So
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Speaker 1: somewhere an athlete now is trapped in the media that
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Speaker 1: also you know, emotes their said says right, yeah, but
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Speaker 1: I will say this and to your point, by the way,
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Speaker 1: I was the last guy of all people I knew
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Speaker 1: to get a cell phone. I was the last guy
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Speaker 1: to want to get to be reached anywhere. My whole
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Speaker 1: thing was when social media, cell phones, all that stuff
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Speaker 1: blew up. That was the last thing I wanted to
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Speaker 1: participate because I love my animenity. I love being able
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Speaker 1: to do my thing and then disappear. So this whole
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Speaker 1: new generation of everybody putting their stuff out there all
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Speaker 1: the time, I've just never really been in touch with
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Speaker 1: that in the same way. But to your point, here's
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Speaker 1: the issue that I think a lot of athletes face.
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Speaker 1: They want the adulation that comes with the success, but
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Speaker 1: ultimately you are not always going to be successful, and
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Speaker 1: you have to be willing to accept the other side
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Speaker 1: of it. Now, I'm not speaking to Naomi Osaka or
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Speaker 1: Simone Biles directly, but what I'm saying is I'm fairly certain,
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Speaker 1: at least in some place in in their minds, that
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Speaker 1: they knew that criticism was going to from making these moves.
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Speaker 1: What I admire in them is that they're doing them anyway,
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Speaker 1: because that's hard. I mean, you talk about some own
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Speaker 1: Biles or Naomi Osaka, you know, millions of followers, people
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Speaker 1: dissecting their every move, and yet still they're saying, you
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Speaker 1: know what, I know that heat is going to come,
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Speaker 1: but I'm still willing to stand up for what I
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Speaker 1: believe is my mental health. And I really encourage people
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Speaker 1: to take a long term view of this, and I
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Speaker 1: promise you I'm not trying to be pc, but let's
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Speaker 1: just think about this. Let's say that she performed in
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Speaker 1: the Olympics and her mental health was really deteriorating in
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Speaker 1: ways that we could never imagine. And let's say things
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Speaker 1: went really poorly for her, or in her mind, went
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Speaker 1: really poorly. The Olympics is over, we all move on,
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Speaker 1: we do our thing. She's still in that space. Months later,
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Speaker 1: she's still in that space. Years later, she's still in
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Speaker 1: that space. And I think that's what we miss when
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Speaker 1: we're so quick to hit Twitter and criticize. Naomi Osaka
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Speaker 1: talked about suffering from depression, not from a week ago
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Speaker 1: before Wimbledon, but for months for agession, thinking about what
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Speaker 1: it was like to face these questions. I think we
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Speaker 1: don't think about that because we're so short term in
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Speaker 1: our thinking. We're so like and just to read the
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Speaker 1: next tweet or see the next win that we don't
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Speaker 1: think about. Maybe someone Biles is making this decision because
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Speaker 1: it's not about today or tomorrow or the Olympics, but
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Speaker 1: it's about how this might affect her for years to come.
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Speaker 1: And I have to tell you I have spoken to
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Speaker 1: many athletes over time. They talk about the different things
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Speaker 1: that affect them, and some of the deepest conversations I've
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Speaker 1: had with some of the top athletes out there when
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Speaker 1: they talk about what affects them. It's not you know hey,
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Speaker 1: it affected me for a month or two and then
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Speaker 1: I got back on the horse. Every athlete has that
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Speaker 1: because of the fact that now you know, the expectations
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Speaker 1: are differently. Now, you know, like they said, the young
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Speaker 1: quarterback for the Alabama he has almost a million dollars endorsement. No,
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Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that's not just one million. You mighty
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Speaker 1: and why they achieved. Talk about that perspective, Ryan, would
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Speaker 1: thousand dollars a hundred thousand dollars and being turned around?
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Speaker 1: But the expectations come with a penalty sometimes, Oh, it's
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Speaker 1: gonna be a challenge to say, and we gotta see
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Speaker 1: how it goes because name, image and likeness has just
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Speaker 1: started giving the athletes the ability to get this. But Rashan,
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Speaker 1: I start from this place. The n c A is
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Speaker 1: a billion dollar industry, multibillion dollar industry. For years, everybody
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Speaker 1: has been taken home the money accept the people on
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Speaker 1: the field, mostly black and brown. So to me, the
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Speaker 1: fact that athletes are now able to get money to
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Speaker 1: make these deals is a win, a huge win, because
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Speaker 1: we have to have that kind of system. We cannot
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Speaker 1: simply say, oh, amateurism dictates that this guy can go
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Speaker 1: run into a wall. He has to prove himself every
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Speaker 1: single year because a lot of people don't know. When
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Speaker 1: you get a four year full ride, it's not a
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Speaker 1: full year for year full ride. Every single year. They
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Speaker 1: gotta read up that ride. So if you didn't perform
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Speaker 1: that first year, even though you're the best athlete in
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Speaker 1: your state, they could be like, we're taking your scholarship away.
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Speaker 1: Oh you don't have them enough money to go to
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Speaker 1: the school. That's too bad, see you later. It doesn't
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Speaker 1: matter what happens to you. That has been the life
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Speaker 1: for tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of athletes.
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Speaker 1: So the fact that they're able to collect and capitalize
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Speaker 1: on their talent now I think young people and I
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Speaker 1: think it's a great thing. Now you talk about the
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Speaker 1: idea of the pressure they face because of that. I
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Speaker 1: think you're right, and I think it behooves them, and
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Speaker 1: I think you're probably gonna the industry is popping up
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Speaker 1: of folks who are going to manage those athletes and
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Speaker 1: manage those folks to make sure that the pressure isn't
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Speaker 1: too great. But I think what we have to find
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Speaker 1: out about all of this is how it will affect.
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Speaker 1: It's just so new that we don't know what's going
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Speaker 1: to happen to say, someone like Bryce Young who plays
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Speaker 1: for Alabama, the quarterback you mentioned, and if things don't
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Speaker 1: go well initially, what will sponsors say? What were the
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Speaker 1: people giving him endorsements say? I think that right now,
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Speaker 1: his agent and the people advising him, excuse me, the
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Speaker 1: people advising him, not as agent, have to be telling him. Look,
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Speaker 1: be ready to take the good with the bad. That's
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Speaker 1: what I always kind of I think that's got to
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Speaker 1: be a core part of athletics right now, especially when
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Speaker 1: you talk about these new areas of making money and
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Speaker 1: managing different issues. You've got to be able to accept
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Speaker 1: the good with the bad. You're putting yourself out there,
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Speaker 1: you're making endorsement money, You're putting yourself out there on
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Speaker 1: social media. That's great. You just have to be able
17:56
Speaker 1: to accept the fact that there's a lot of haters
17:57
Speaker 1: out there, that there's a lot of people that are
17:59
Speaker 1: gonna come at you. But the first time you throw
18:01
Speaker 1: an interception that somebody might say, why are we paying
18:04
Speaker 1: this guy? And I think you've got to be ready
18:06
Speaker 1: for that expectation. That's what's gonna be The interesting thing.
18:10
Speaker 1: Can these young people handle the idea that everything is
18:13
Speaker 1: not going to come up roses just because they're signing
18:16
Speaker 1: an endorsement contract or have a lot of status, And
18:19
Speaker 1: I think there's a number. I think we have to
18:21
Speaker 1: trust our young people and believe that, hey, they've gotten
18:25
Speaker 1: this far on this stage despite all the criticism and
18:27
Speaker 1: the fans who have tried to attack them, and the
18:29
Speaker 1: people have come out at them all the way through
18:31
Speaker 1: this journey to get where they've gotten. They can do
18:34
Speaker 1: it again. They can do it through this period as well.
18:37
Speaker 1: And the biggest thing about it is, no matter what
18:40
Speaker 1: happens in their college career, they've got something for what
18:43
Speaker 1: they did on that stage that made billions of dollars
18:46
Speaker 1: for these universities. That I think is the most critical
18:48
Speaker 1: part of it. I appreciate that I'm talking to Ryan Smith.
18:52
Speaker 1: Ryan ESPN. We uh sports, we're even part of our conversation.
18:56
Speaker 1: You know, I was still business advantager Steve Harvey The
19:00
Speaker 1: Highlights and still very successful Steve Harvard Morning Show, and
19:03
Speaker 1: we both based in Atlanta. He was in Atlanta, and
19:06
Speaker 1: I was always, uh, get him on the show to
19:08
Speaker 1: talk about cases, cases like the Casey Anthony story from
19:12
Speaker 1: a legal perspective, from his perspective, to George Zimmilum story
19:16
Speaker 1: that we know they went down with Trayvon Martin and
19:19
Speaker 1: that whole trial at this that that control of the
19:22
Speaker 1: country and launched Benjamin Crump into his RAPHI our our
19:27
Speaker 1: civil rights are that he is in today. But I
19:30
Speaker 1: never saw this coming. I never saw the ESPN anchor.
19:33
Speaker 1: I never saw the sports side of you coming out.
19:35
Speaker 1: Talk about where you were where it then, and then
19:39
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about transition, because then I would see
19:41
Speaker 1: you pop up on ESPN doing legal analysts work. So
19:45
Speaker 1: let's talk about that journey in Atlantic when you and
19:48
Speaker 1: I first met, the perspective and the mindset you had
19:50
Speaker 1: to have versus the mindset that you have now as
19:54
Speaker 1: a sports anchor and an expert on sport because you
19:56
Speaker 1: are an expert on sports, because you anchor sports. Yeah,
20:00
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you so. So first to your question,
20:05
Speaker 1: I want to say when I When you and I
20:07
Speaker 1: met in Atlanta, I had basically just gotten into TV.
20:10
Speaker 1: I was a lawyer, and around two thousand and ten,
20:15
Speaker 1: two thousand eleven, I just decided I kind of hit
20:17
Speaker 1: a wall with as far as I wanted to go
20:19
Speaker 1: practicing law, and I ended up getting in television because
20:23
Speaker 1: I did guest spots here and there. Just Uh, first
20:26
Speaker 1: I made a real I had a producer friend who
20:28
Speaker 1: was like, you gotta make a real if you want
20:29
Speaker 1: to get into television. I was just kind of thinking,
20:31
Speaker 1: maybe I'll do something, So I went out. I made
20:33
Speaker 1: a reel on the streets of New York, just interviewing
20:35
Speaker 1: random people. I interviewed a film director, a couple other folks.
20:39
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20:42
Speaker 1: they put me on a show called My Two Cents.
20:44
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20:46
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20:50
Speaker 1: me and three other people. And then uh, I ended
20:53
Speaker 1: up doing a Sharp Talk, which was Al Sharpton's talk
20:56
Speaker 1: show on TV one, somebody on CNN saw me, went
20:59
Speaker 1: from there, went to their networks, and then finally cour
21:01
Speaker 1: TV brought me on to be an anchor for their
21:04
Speaker 1: new brand that they were launching at HLN. But Rashaana,
21:07
Speaker 1: I gotta actually say thank you to you, because early
21:14
Speaker 1: on when I started doing HLN, I was still learning
21:18
Speaker 1: how to build beyond my job. And you noticed me
21:24
Speaker 1: on HLN and Core TV talking about these cases, and
21:28
Speaker 1: you brought me onto the Steve Harvey Show. And I
21:31
Speaker 1: gotta tell you that did wonders, not only for my
21:36
Speaker 1: ability to communicate with people, but forgetting to know a
21:39
Speaker 1: new audience and forgetting people to trust me in these
21:43
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21:48
Speaker 1: and it was so diverse, and and the talent on
21:51
Speaker 1: the Steve Harvey Show was so willing to engage with
21:53
Speaker 1: me on the show. It taught me that I didn't
21:56
Speaker 1: have to just be restricted by what I was doing
21:58
Speaker 1: in television. I could do other things. I could jump
22:00
Speaker 1: on Steve Harvey Show, I could jump on all these
22:02
Speaker 1: other shows. And it gave me the level of confidence
22:05
Speaker 1: that I didn't have before that moment. So I just
22:07
Speaker 1: I just wanted to step out and say thank you
22:09
Speaker 1: for that, because you kept putting me on UM in
22:13
Speaker 1: a way that like shocked me so much and made
22:17
Speaker 1: me so happy, but at the same time got me
22:20
Speaker 1: out of his mindset of just television. So from there
22:23
Speaker 1: I expanded it. I said, look, I want to do sports.
22:26
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22:28
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22:30
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22:32
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22:34
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22:37
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22:40
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22:44
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Speaker 1: you for the compliment, thank you for having the talent.
24:25
Speaker 1: And I would tell you anybody because when I look
24:28
Speaker 1: at somebody like Ryan and he's talent and plus he's
24:30
Speaker 1: a grinder, I said, it's a lot of people want
24:32
Speaker 1: to do what you do. A lot of people don't
24:34
Speaker 1: answer the call. I'm tired, uh, tomorrow because I call
24:39
Speaker 1: him at the last minute. Sometime I see no TV,
24:41
Speaker 1: I say, Monica, call call right, I see if you
24:44
Speaker 1: can do the show tomorrow. And then I was asking
24:47
Speaker 1: him to come into an environment where I had comedians, uh,
24:51
Speaker 1: and he didn't. And honestly he had to trust me
24:53
Speaker 1: too because of the fact that he was he was
24:56
Speaker 1: a lawyer, he was on he was talking to serious
25:00
Speaker 1: stories and sometimes Steve Harvey or nephew Tommy what Ben
25:04
Speaker 1: of course to them that he had to stay focused on.
25:07
Speaker 1: He had to see the story true. And so that's
25:10
Speaker 1: why I respect to the most about it. You understood
25:11
Speaker 1: the balance of what I was trying to do. You
25:13
Speaker 1: understood entertainment, but you're also in understood the storytelling of
25:18
Speaker 1: telling the story correctly. That was a gift that you have,
25:21
Speaker 1: my friend, and it shows up, it shows up on
25:24
Speaker 1: TV every time I watch you. It's a it's a
25:26
Speaker 1: nice humbleness in your reporting. And uh we we were
25:30
Speaker 1: on radio back then. Now you're on TV, so nobody
25:33
Speaker 1: saw us. Back then, you just just heard your voice
25:35
Speaker 1: and heard your articulation. And now just seeing your TV,
25:39
Speaker 1: it's still it's still watching the sports side of you.
25:42
Speaker 1: You know, you come from a Philadelphia market which is
25:45
Speaker 1: like crazy about sports. It's so opinionated. So in your face,
25:51
Speaker 1: it's like, how do you how do you you know
25:54
Speaker 1: your Philadelphia just had a just a disastrous basketball season. Yeah,
25:59
Speaker 1: the base all teams, they're frustrate you. They got rid
26:02
Speaker 1: of the quarterback that they thought it was gonna be
26:04
Speaker 1: the quarterback of the future. We don't know if Jalen
26:06
Speaker 1: Hurts is a quarterback. Talk to him about I'm so
26:10
Speaker 1: proud to be for Philadelphia. How proud are you in football,
26:14
Speaker 1: basketball and baseball? I'm always proud. Let me let me
26:21
Speaker 1: tell everybody the key to be at a Philadelphia sports fan,
26:23
Speaker 1: and why everything you said doesn't even make me angry.
26:27
Speaker 1: We expect, we expect to be bad, we expect wow,
26:33
Speaker 1: if good things happen were elated because we always thought
26:37
Speaker 1: we were gonna lose. It's like, I gotta tell you
26:39
Speaker 1: this funny story. Like a friend of mine called me
26:41
Speaker 1: after we won the Super Bowl a couple of years back,
26:44
Speaker 1: and he was like, man, you finally did it. We've
26:47
Speaker 1: been ripping on Philly all this time. You finally wanted
26:50
Speaker 1: the super Bowl? What do you think? I'm like, Man,
26:52
Speaker 1: I don't know. Can we do this again next year?
26:54
Speaker 1: It's like that's the Philly fan mentality. It's like we
26:57
Speaker 1: can't accept anything for being real in terms of success
27:01
Speaker 1: because we've had so much failure and because every other
27:04
Speaker 1: city around us has so many wins. I mean, we're
27:06
Speaker 1: right down the road through New York. We got Baltimore
27:09
Speaker 1: not far away, we got d C not far away,
27:11
Speaker 1: and it's like we've had to deal with all their success.
27:14
Speaker 1: So for us, it's like we're expecting to lose. So
27:17
Speaker 1: when the Sixers blew it in the playoffs this year,
27:20
Speaker 1: it wasn't like I was hanging on like this is
27:21
Speaker 1: our year. I was like, man, Ben Simmons can't shoot,
27:26
Speaker 1: so how are we gonna make it to the finals?
27:28
Speaker 1: And we didn't make it to the finals, so I
27:29
Speaker 1: wasn't devastated. It's kind of like, and I hate that
27:33
Speaker 1: on that way, and it's like I got I have
27:35
Speaker 1: two young kids now and their Eagles fans, and I
27:38
Speaker 1: try to tell them, like, you gotta be positive about
27:41
Speaker 1: your team. They're like, well then, Daddy, why do you
27:43
Speaker 1: always think they're gonna lose. I'm like, don't listen to me.
27:46
Speaker 1: I spoke as on I gotta I got a sports
27:52
Speaker 1: expert in the Philadelphia fan You see Ben Simmons. You
27:56
Speaker 1: see Janice who had who went to that line despite
27:59
Speaker 1: the booze, he went to that line. He and he
28:02
Speaker 1: took two shots. Kim, Ben Simmons make that transition. Yeah,
28:09
Speaker 1: let me tell you so. So that this is what
28:11
Speaker 1: we all kind of feel about Ben Simmons. We think
28:15
Speaker 1: that the first couple of years in Philly, because he
28:18
Speaker 1: was such a great talent and because he could do
28:20
Speaker 1: so many things well, the coaching staff there and the
28:23
Speaker 1: management there didn't push him to go beyond what he
28:26
Speaker 1: was good at. And so the demands. What you got
28:30
Speaker 1: to say to a player is look, you gotta shoot
28:33
Speaker 1: in this game. You're not gonna shoot, You're gonna sit
28:36
Speaker 1: on the bench, You're the Superstar. Great, you made the
28:38
Speaker 1: All Star team. Great, but you're not shooting. You're on
28:40
Speaker 1: the bench. Oh, he didn't take a shot this game.
28:42
Speaker 1: Let's put him in a second quarter, Like, you gotta
28:44
Speaker 1: teach him that way. He gets mad, he sulked whatever,
28:47
Speaker 1: dudes under contract, where is he gonna go? So it's like,
28:50
Speaker 1: you gotta treat him like that. And that didn't happen
28:52
Speaker 1: in Philly. So years and years and years go by
28:55
Speaker 1: and that didn't happen coming into this season. So he
28:57
Speaker 1: learned this mentality of being good at what he was
29:00
Speaker 1: good at, but not wanting to try and not wanting
29:03
Speaker 1: to work at what he wasn't good at, despite the
29:05
Speaker 1: fact that he knew that would hamper him in the playoffs.
29:08
Speaker 1: So once we got into the playoffs and the heat
29:09
Speaker 1: was turned up and people started hacking him, and I gat,
29:12
Speaker 1: I give the Wizards credit because they came up with
29:14
Speaker 1: the system of let's hack. Then let's send him to
29:16
Speaker 1: the line. Once he couldn't make the shot, his mental
29:19
Speaker 1: broke down and he said, Uh, I can't do this,
29:23
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna avoid it at all costs. Now I'm
29:26
Speaker 1: not driving to the basket because I don't want to
29:27
Speaker 1: get foul. This is a really important lesson for all
29:30
Speaker 1: your listeners and anybody who's watching today. And we're talking
29:33
Speaker 1: about getting into the TV business and all of this,
29:35
Speaker 1: because I've learned this lesson firsthand when I started in
29:39
Speaker 1: this business, and Rashun, I'm sure you have the same experience.
29:41
Speaker 1: There was a lot that I wasn't good at a lot.
29:45
Speaker 1: But the thing is, you gotta go on air and
29:47
Speaker 1: make the mistakes. I used to have a YouTube channel
29:50
Speaker 1: where people could look me up and see all the
29:52
Speaker 1: mistakes I made, including not knowing where the camera was,
29:57
Speaker 1: not knowing what show I was on. I mean, it's
29:59
Speaker 1: like you got to go on and make these mistakes
30:02
Speaker 1: in order to get better. If you're not willing to
30:04
Speaker 1: make the mistakes in terms in front of everyone, if
30:08
Speaker 1: you're not willing to ask the stupid questions, if you're
30:10
Speaker 1: not willing to extend in ways that you haven't extended before,
30:13
Speaker 1: you don't get better and you remain the same exact talent.
30:16
Speaker 1: And I gotta tell you, John, I've known people in
30:17
Speaker 1: this industry. It's like they're playing the same old song
30:20
Speaker 1: every single day. And I'm not knocking them. I'm just saying,
30:23
Speaker 1: how can you expect to get further and be better
30:25
Speaker 1: unless you're extending beyond your comfort zone. So that's the
30:28
Speaker 1: big problem with Ben Simmons, and we can related to
30:30
Speaker 1: what we're talking about right now. It's like anybody watching
30:33
Speaker 1: who wants to get into anything or wants to be
30:34
Speaker 1: like you be a top of their industry. You didn't
30:38
Speaker 1: get there without making mistakes, public mistakes, mistakes other people
30:44
Speaker 1: can see, and you grew from them, and you got
30:45
Speaker 1: better from them, And that's what I hope Ben Simmons.
30:48
Speaker 1: I don't think we should trade them. I think we
30:49
Speaker 1: should keep them. I think we should give him another chance.
30:51
Speaker 1: I think he's so good at the things he's good at.
30:54
Speaker 1: But the thing is, this is crunch time, summer, and
30:56
Speaker 1: he's got to realize it is the life lesson time.
30:58
Speaker 1: Am I willing to make the mistakes and be better
31:02
Speaker 1: and look foolish in front of a lot of people
31:05
Speaker 1: at the things I'm bad at in order to be great?
31:08
Speaker 1: If he's I'll give him another year with that. If
31:11
Speaker 1: he's willing to try that awesome, he's gonna be an
31:14
Speaker 1: amazing talent, maybe one of the best ever. If he's not,
31:17
Speaker 1: he's always gonna be who he is. Uh. My last question,
31:21
Speaker 1: is this just just the part about it that I
31:23
Speaker 1: love about you, that amazes me about you? Is this? Okay?
31:26
Speaker 1: Being a sports analyst, you know, anchor, you know you
31:30
Speaker 1: the monitor feeds you the information, okay, and then you
31:33
Speaker 1: come on there, Then you come on there, and then
31:35
Speaker 1: you are an analysts from a legal perspective, Which is
31:38
Speaker 1: which which? Which? Which is also I think even more
31:41
Speaker 1: difficult because you're sharing facts and you're siring defended to
31:45
Speaker 1: moments like if you say, somebody ms the free throw,
31:48
Speaker 1: we see it? Will you? Will you come down as
31:50
Speaker 1: a legal analyst and they're asking you your perspective, the journey,
31:55
Speaker 1: the consequences. How are you able to shift those two
31:59
Speaker 1: gears comfortably like that? Ryan Smith? Oh man, it's hard.
32:03
Speaker 1: I tell you it's hard. And let me tell you
32:06
Speaker 1: it is. You and I met when I was covering
32:08
Speaker 1: Casey Anthony and Jodi Arias and those kinds of trials.
32:12
Speaker 1: And I gotta tell you, it's really funny to say
32:14
Speaker 1: that the the anger and the venom you get for
32:18
Speaker 1: talking about a legal issue in sports was ten times
32:22
Speaker 1: greater than anything I ever experienced talking about Casey Anthony
32:26
Speaker 1: Jodi Arias, George Zimmerman or any of those cases. It's
32:30
Speaker 1: just the intensity. Like I remember I covered the Ezekiel
32:32
Speaker 1: Elliott uh story when he was he was facing some
32:36
Speaker 1: domestic violence issues in the NFL was suspending him. Cowboy
32:40
Speaker 1: fans were all over every word I said, and it
32:43
Speaker 1: was like, I'm just trying to report the facts, just
32:45
Speaker 1: trying to tell you how the analysis. They don't care
32:48
Speaker 1: what you're anti cowboy. I hear you're from Philly. You're
32:51
Speaker 1: trying to sink my board like so that that makes
32:55
Speaker 1: you even have to have a higher standard of I
32:56
Speaker 1: gotta get everything right and may get mistakes. See asked
32:59
Speaker 1: how I make the trends position. To me, it's almost
33:01
Speaker 1: different sides of your brain. So you're right when you're
33:03
Speaker 1: anchoring a lot of times you've got prompter and your
33:05
Speaker 1: ad living too. But I gotta tell you, I'm gonna
33:08
Speaker 1: come back to you again. Being on Steve Harvey, having
33:11
Speaker 1: a flex with being like getting into working with comedians
33:17
Speaker 1: but also giving analysis. It taught me flexibility. Being on
33:20
Speaker 1: HLN and CNN a lot of times you're ad living
33:22
Speaker 1: in the field. It taught me that sometimes you're reading
33:25
Speaker 1: the prompter. But then also sometimes you have to be
33:28
Speaker 1: able to give coherent thoughts quickly. And so for me,
33:32
Speaker 1: it's almost about separating different sides of your brain. One
33:35
Speaker 1: is I'm reading, I'm telling the news, which is you're anchoring.
33:39
Speaker 1: But the other side is when you're doing legal analysts,
33:41
Speaker 1: when you're doing legal analysis. The key for me rashwan research, research, research,
33:45
Speaker 1: before I even show up on air. So my whole
33:48
Speaker 1: job is I got to know the issue back and forth,
33:50
Speaker 1: left and right, be ready for any question. And sometimes
33:54
Speaker 1: I tell them don't even tell me the question. I
33:55
Speaker 1: just put the onus on myself to know as much
33:57
Speaker 1: as I can then when they asked the question. And
34:01
Speaker 1: the first job I have to the viewer is whatever
34:04
Speaker 1: is complicated, I gotta make it simple. I gotta start
34:07
Speaker 1: out with a way to take whatever is most complicated
34:09
Speaker 1: about this is you, Okay, here's what desa on Watson
34:12
Speaker 1: might be facing. Make it simple. Give me one statement
34:15
Speaker 1: right up front, just the crux of it, and then
34:18
Speaker 1: going to the analysis. To me, if I know my
34:21
Speaker 1: material well, I can boil it down and give it
34:24
Speaker 1: to you in thirty seconds to a minute the most
34:26
Speaker 1: important facts. And I can only do one or two things.
34:29
Speaker 1: I can't try to jump on seventeen different things. And
34:32
Speaker 1: that's the key. The key is like taking that complicated
34:35
Speaker 1: stuff and making it simple. Research, do the work, and
34:39
Speaker 1: then when I'm giving the presentation, know my audience. If
34:43
Speaker 1: my audience is Sports Center, I know the time frame
34:46
Speaker 1: that they've got to listen to me talk about a
34:48
Speaker 1: legal issue. Each question is like forty two What can
34:52
Speaker 1: I give them that's powerful about this case that is
34:55
Speaker 1: different in terms of the analysis, that's something they didn't
34:58
Speaker 1: know int it. And how can I do it as
35:01
Speaker 1: simply as possible using the easiest possible words. That's the challenge.
35:05
Speaker 1: And so the way I do it is I just
35:07
Speaker 1: think about how we're talking right now, We're just having
35:10
Speaker 1: a normal conversation. Why do I have to throw in
35:12
Speaker 1: words like rescue, Dakata and Promistorius stop all like it's
35:16
Speaker 1: just you know, let's just have a conversation like I
35:18
Speaker 1: would and it's almost and just say one thing. When
35:21
Speaker 1: I was when I was practicing law, had a partner
35:25
Speaker 1: who used to advise me. It was one of my mentors,
35:28
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