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Dr. Bobby Cartwright Jr. Full Interview · The Steve Harvey Morning Show

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  Speaker 1: My nextest is also want to make a decision. The
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  Speaker 1: person of the NINTI Annual African Pride Gospel Superfest TV
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  Speaker 1: Spectacular presented by the Cartwright Foundation, is set for June
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  Speaker 1: twenty two and Dating Ohire hosted by n double a
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  Speaker 1: CP Image Award winning actress Wendy Rickale Robinson. This year
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  Speaker 1: starts starting celebration of gospel music include performances from the
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  Speaker 1: biggest names in gospel. Please work with the money making conversation.
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  Speaker 1: The CEO, managing partner and Executive producer of African Pride
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  Speaker 1: Gospel super Fest TV, Dr Bobby Cartwright Jr. Hey, how
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  Speaker 1: are you and what what city are you calling me from?
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  Speaker 1: My friend? Well, I'm calling you from Detroit this morning.
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  Speaker 1: I'm in Detroit. You said this morning. That means that
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  Speaker 1: that's you just there this morning. So where are you
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  Speaker 1: or you're based there? Where are you? Well, I'm based
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  Speaker 1: in the Cincinnati, Ohio area, um suburb outside of Cincinnati
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  Speaker 1: called Liberty Township. But I'm a native Ohio and it's
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  Speaker 1: been in Ohio practically all my life. But we were
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  Speaker 1: doing some rehearsals for the show yesterday UM in Detroit,
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  Speaker 1: so I decided to just stay up here and work
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  Speaker 1: today and tomorrow and come back home Wednesday. So the
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  Speaker 1: talk to tell us about the African Pride Gospel Superface, well,
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  Speaker 1: the African Proad Gospel superfessores UH in this nineteenth year
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  Speaker 1: of production, as well as this nineteenth consecutive year in
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  Speaker 1: domestic syndication, which you know all about working you know
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  Speaker 1: in your past with TV and radio. We UM got
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  Speaker 1: a vision from the Lord in about a new TV
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  Speaker 1: show and I started reading the credits and doing my homework.
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  Speaker 1: It took me two years to pull off the first one,
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  Speaker 1: which was at the turn of the century, in the
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  Speaker 1: year two thousand. So we did a three day festival
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  Speaker 1: in Louisville, Kentucky, and that was our inaugural event, UH,
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  Speaker 1: which turned up out to be the catalyst for what
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  Speaker 1: we what was now a nineteen year brand UM in
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  Speaker 1: black gospel music television. When you used the word African Pride,
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  Speaker 1: that feels international as am I reading that wrong? Are
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  Speaker 1: It's just a domestic African Pride and uh, it's a
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  Speaker 1: hair care brand, African Pride is the title sponsor in
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  Speaker 1: their hair care brand with multiple lines of hair care
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  Speaker 1: uh specifically targeted towards African American consumers. And you and
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  Speaker 1: I probably wouldn't use African Pride that much, but the
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  Speaker 1: females in your listening audience and they would know all
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  Speaker 1: about African Pride. Um. It's a you know, it's a
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  Speaker 1: it's a household word within black hair care circles. But
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  Speaker 1: just tell us why why African Pride, because it's just
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  Speaker 1: that's your demo market that you said. You always said
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  Speaker 1: Rishan Risha, You and I, well, that's not our that's
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  Speaker 1: not our hair care brand with female that you want.
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  Speaker 1: That is why you associated with that, the relations ship
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  Speaker 1: and because you mentioned the sponsorships you mentioned. I really
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  Speaker 1: enjoyed reading your bio because it was it was like
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  Speaker 1: reading a business course because he was talking about making
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  Speaker 1: your brand relatable, making your brand acceptable to advertisers and
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  Speaker 1: things like that. That's that's really important to you and
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  Speaker 1: building out this this model for long term success. Correct, Well,
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  Speaker 1: that's true, and I may get in troubles because I'm
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  Speaker 1: sure they have product lines for for male and children
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  Speaker 1: as well. You know, it's like you know, the old
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  Speaker 1: luster brands and things of that nature. I thinking product
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  Speaker 1: goes along that line for black hair care. So if
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  Speaker 1: I misspoke, I do apologize. But um, primarily the African
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  Speaker 1: primarily gospel music in general targets towards a female demographic,
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  Speaker 1: and um, just females go to church more than males.
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  Speaker 1: That's just the way it is. And then after the
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  Speaker 1: African American church, you'll find it as well more female
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  Speaker 1: heavy and attendance saying um than it is a male attendance.
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  Speaker 1: But with that being said, the African Pride hair care
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  Speaker 1: brand is targeting you know, females eighteen and forty nine
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  Speaker 1: is the primary and secondary demographic for their brand, and
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  Speaker 1: that lines up with with gospel music, and it certainly
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  Speaker 1: lines up with the African Pride Gospel superfess. And we
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  Speaker 1: found our medium age to be right around forty years
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  Speaker 1: old and real heavy in regards to female attendance and
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  Speaker 1: all of our events. If you just look at our
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  Speaker 1: crowd shoctors, you know, women love gospel of music and
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  Speaker 1: men do too, but we find that the the audience
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  Speaker 1: is predominantly female when we um, when we shoot, so
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  Speaker 1: that's probably the marriage that the the ad agency for
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  Speaker 1: African Pride saw and then they made you know, made
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  Speaker 1: the connection and of course now we're partners in UH
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  Speaker 1: in marketing with African Pride. Okay, cool, this is might
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  Speaker 1: to make conversations now, oh yeah, oh yeah. So you
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  Speaker 1: talked about TV show. What is outside TV show? Are
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  Speaker 1: there are their booths? So there's like this is a
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  Speaker 1: multi day event. It's a single day event. What's going
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  Speaker 1: on it is that it is definitely a festival. We
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  Speaker 1: start on Thursday. The Superfess Weekend starts on Thursday, and
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  Speaker 1: we have an event called Making the Stage and that's
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  Speaker 1: a new talent platform for artists to UM compete and
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  Speaker 1: then the winner of that UH competition opens the show.
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  Speaker 1: That in a couple of days. And then on Friday,
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  Speaker 1: we have the first Ladies, Pastors and Community Leader's Reception.
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  Speaker 1: That's on Friday, UH that's to benefit our scholarship fund
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  Speaker 1: UH in the name of my late sister Gail F. Peoples,
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  Speaker 1: who was an educator for forty years. That's Friday night.
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  Speaker 1: And then Saturday, UM is the national TV taping for
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  Speaker 1: the African Pride Gospel Superfessed with Donnie mcclerk and Ransall
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  Speaker 1: and Ditrict had and TI Tribute UM Tina Campbell from
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  Speaker 1: Mary Mary. That's the national recording, and we record our
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  Speaker 1: entire season in one night, so we it's the five
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  Speaker 1: hour marathon of some of the biggest names in gospel.
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  Speaker 1: And and we're rolling out two of those specials UM
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  Speaker 1: for the TV one broadcasting network, and then the other
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  Speaker 1: three will be syndicated in domestic syndication. So it's a
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  Speaker 1: uh it's a big event, one of the major television
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  Speaker 1: tapes in black gospel today, and we've been fortunate enough
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  Speaker 1: to sustain it through the help of Corporate America. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: Some of our sponsors included Proctor and Gamble, Johnson and Johnson,
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  Speaker 1: um Walmart. Of course, All State Insurance Company was our
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  Speaker 1: title sponsor for eight years and now of course African
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  Speaker 1: Pride is our new title sponsor for twenty nineteen. C
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  Speaker 1: P and G. Proctor and Gamble, the instance that so
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  Speaker 1: he could knock on that door, you know, were they
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  Speaker 1: were our first major Uh. They came to the table first.
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  Speaker 1: They did UM back in two thousand two and supported
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  Speaker 1: us that they've been supporting this consistently down through the years.
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  Speaker 1: And so we're certainly grateful for Proctor and Gamble, and
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  Speaker 1: because Proctan Gamble has a lot of significant African America's
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  Speaker 1: leaders and decision makers which allowed to understand this brand
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  Speaker 1: and who this brand is in particular who they're reaching.
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  Speaker 1: So it's really important to have those relationships with people
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  Speaker 1: who not only support you but understand the value because
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  Speaker 1: because like I said, not all money is good money,
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  Speaker 1: but money to understand your brand is going to stick
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  Speaker 1: with you long term. Correct, That's that's true. That's very
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  Speaker 1: very true. And they do understand the diversity and and
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  Speaker 1: and the different ethnic groups. And you can find Proctor
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  Speaker 1: and Gamble strategically placing their efforts with the Hispanic community,
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  Speaker 1: with the African American community and the general market community
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  Speaker 1: as well. They're very uh, forward thinking brand managers that
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  Speaker 1: really know how to target their audience and then go
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  Speaker 1: after their you know, their target. Dr car Right, you
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  Speaker 1: said something interesting in your conversation. Now I'm I'm only
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  Speaker 1: here talking about the nineteenth Annual African Pride, which is
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  Speaker 1: the sponsor Gospel super Fest TV. Then you said in
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  Speaker 1: your conversation said we're finished taping all our shows, so
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  Speaker 1: are we talking about And you said you have two specials.
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  Speaker 1: It's just like a TV series, Yes, it is. UM.
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  Speaker 1: When we origularly started Rashan, it was interesting because I,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I don't want to get too spiritual on
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  Speaker 1: the show, but I thought, I gotta you know, I know,
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  Speaker 1: I got a vision from God to do this, but
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  Speaker 1: I didn't know how to produce it. So I had
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  Speaker 1: to do two years of research in order before me
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  Speaker 1: to do the first one. And so in in that
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  Speaker 1: process UM, I was able to learn and glean from
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  Speaker 1: people like yourself and people that were out in the
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  Speaker 1: industry and to be able to pull pull pull this off.
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  Speaker 1: But uh, we started off as a three day event,
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  Speaker 1: and I'd probably have to see a burning bush before
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  Speaker 1: I do a three day But then we then we
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  Speaker 1: nailed it down to a two days in and then
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  Speaker 1: by accident, we had all of this b role um
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  Speaker 1: or footage that we couldn't place because we didn't really know,
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  Speaker 1: you know, how to places. So we ended up developing
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  Speaker 1: a half hour weekly and we cut up the shows
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  Speaker 1: into half hour segments and sold it as Gospel Supers
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  Speaker 1: Backstage Past. That particular brand was one of the launch
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  Speaker 1: vehicles for the Balance Network. It was one of the
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  Speaker 1: launch vehicles for Magic Johnson's Inspired Network. It air for
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  Speaker 1: nine years on tb N, which is the largest Christian
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  Speaker 1: network in the world. But all of this happened by
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  Speaker 1: accident because we didn't know what we were doing. We
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  Speaker 1: just had recorded all these acts and we had all
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  Speaker 1: of this footage and we're like, when we do with it?
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  Speaker 1: You know. So, so now that we know what our
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  Speaker 1: deliberables are, we can shoot you know, five forty minutes
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  Speaker 1: you know, one hour special insyndication is forty four minutes
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  Speaker 1: and thirty seconds, and the rest of his commercials. So
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  Speaker 1: now we can shoot five one hour specials in one night.
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  Speaker 1: But when we first started, we were just doing the specials.
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  Speaker 1: We were just doing a concert and letting the cameras
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  Speaker 1: roll throughout the entire concert, not really thinking about the deliverables. Well,
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  Speaker 1: after nine years, i mean nineteen years, excuse me, we're
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  Speaker 1: you know, rethinking this is We're wait a minute, you know,
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  Speaker 1: we don't want to overrecord, and we don't, and then
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  Speaker 1: a record label is calling us and you know, we
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  Speaker 1: haven't seen our act on TV or and so we
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  Speaker 1: record now strategically for the deliverables, and so we don't
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  Speaker 1: have to record three and four nights. We can just
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  Speaker 1: record one night and pull off the entire season with
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  Speaker 1: one one session. Well that's important to understand. Uh, we're
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  Speaker 1: going out, We're closing out on our first break because
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  Speaker 1: I'm bringing you back for next break. But I gotta
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  Speaker 1: mention this of talking to the executive producer and uh
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  Speaker 1: the Gospel Superfessors sposored by African prior TV Dr Bobby Cartwright,
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  Speaker 1: julir Um, you're you're a couple of Lifetime Achieving awards
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  Speaker 1: are being passed out Pastor Donoman Clarkin and Rant Allen group.
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  Speaker 1: Uh wow, something in the name of Jesus, come on.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, iconic figures that we followed down, we falled down. Yeah. There.
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  Speaker 1: Their their music will outlive them, for sure. A lot
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  Speaker 1: of artists music outlive them. But it's something when you
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  Speaker 1: can come to the Lord and tears and and and
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  Speaker 1: one of these artists who have been so gifted, their
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  Speaker 1: music will be playing as you're weeping and turning your
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  Speaker 1: life around. And I've seen that happen so many times
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  Speaker 1: with Pastor Donne's music and um, the way Rance Alan
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  Speaker 1: just moves an audience to um to repentance. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it's just amazing how he's moving on because rest allan,
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  Speaker 1: he's not moving. Now, he's not moving. He gonna he
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  Speaker 1: can flat them two feet right there. Leave fall with
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  Speaker 1: that microphone to make you cry. I tell you you
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  Speaker 1: know what I when I when Uh you know you're
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  Speaker 1: talking about you don't want to get to Holy Ghost
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  Speaker 1: on the on the radio and you can't. We got
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  Speaker 1: we got names like that. You have to realize what
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  Speaker 1: they mean and what they meant for people over the years.
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  Speaker 1: Like you said, gospel music is unique music because it
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  Speaker 1: has a such a strong support system and even when
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  Speaker 1: you're feeling good or feeling bad, it's always gonna be
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  Speaker 1: there for you. And when I when I look at
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  Speaker 1: what you're trying to do, I want to go in
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  Speaker 1: detail about why you are honoring them. Uh I know why,
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  Speaker 1: but let's hit the audience here why these two were
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  Speaker 1: chosen this year to be honored at the the African
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  Speaker 1: Pride Gospel super Fests. The nineteen year would be back
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  Speaker 1: with more. Dr Cartwright Jr. Hi, just for Sean McDonald.
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  Speaker 1: You're listening to Money Making Conversation podcasts live radio. Uh
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  Speaker 1: serious x M on the phone is uh? Dr Bobby
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  Speaker 1: Cartwright Jr. UM, it's interesting when you start interviewing somebody
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  Speaker 1: and you have a small gem of information about what
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  Speaker 1: they're accomplishing, and you realize that that that their story
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  Speaker 1: and their accomplishments, uh, and what they're doing as as
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  Speaker 1: is way bigger. Uh. He came on the show to
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  Speaker 1: talk about the nineteenth and your African Pride, which is
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  Speaker 1: a sponsor of Gospel super Fest TV. And Gospel super
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  Speaker 1: Fest TV is not only the special two specials that
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  Speaker 1: they do, but they also do a series that they
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  Speaker 1: shoot as a as an experience that starts on the
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  Speaker 1: Thursday and goes all the way through the finale, which
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  Speaker 1: is that Saturday night, which is June two. You're back
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  Speaker 1: on the phone there, dctor. Did I missed? That? Was?
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  Speaker 1: I accurated my assessment that you were very accurate? Thank
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  Speaker 1: you so much. We really appreciate the exposure. Well, guess what,
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  Speaker 1: that's how we're working. That's why money making conversation is here.
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  Speaker 1: So let's talk about to two young men I'm always
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  Speaker 1: calling young uh Dr Pastor Donnie McClerkin and the Rance
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  Speaker 1: Allen group. Let me just tell you a little bit
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  Speaker 1: about my experience because Steve Harving out we hosted uh
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  Speaker 1: uh and produced the b t Uh Gospel Celebration for
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  Speaker 1: thirteen years. So I have deep roots and these young
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  Speaker 1: men lives. And how first time I saw Rance Allen,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't know who it was. And he's on stage
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  Speaker 1: with Kurt Franklin and Los Angeles and and this song
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  Speaker 1: something in the Name of Jesus, about the Name of
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  Speaker 1: Jesus Uh that he started singing and it was for
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  Speaker 1: the first time and and and I didn't know that
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  Speaker 1: Kurt wrote the song. That's Kurt Franklin song. And so
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  Speaker 1: that song has stayed with me all my life. And
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  Speaker 1: I remember in two thousands, um Pastor Donna mcclarky came
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  Speaker 1: into my life because we were playing on an R
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  Speaker 1: and B hip hop station. We were playing his gospel
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  Speaker 1: song we Fall Down and uh and so so so
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  Speaker 1: so when you say, you know you don't want to
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  Speaker 1: get too hyped about spirit, know that you can do
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  Speaker 1: this on my show because I know I know the
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  Speaker 1: value of what it has, you know. I remember in
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  Speaker 1: eighteen eighty four when Kurt Franklin first came out with
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  Speaker 1: his first hit song, and prior to our comedy show,
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  Speaker 1: I played tupacs Uh. Dear Mama and I played Kurt
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  Speaker 1: Franklin song and Steve Harvard looked at me, go rap
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  Speaker 1: in gospel. That was in eighty four, and it was
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  Speaker 1: in the Soldia show at the Music Halls, like forty
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  Speaker 1: people sitting out there. Because I knew that that. I
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  Speaker 1: didn't know Kirk, I didn't know Rance, I didn't know
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  Speaker 1: Donnie mcclerking. But I just know that what you're doing
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  Speaker 1: has so much value beyond just just a ticket sale.
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  Speaker 1: It's about changing people's lives, motivating people when they're down, uh,
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  Speaker 1: and spiritually giving them because a lot of people understand
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  Speaker 1: that in gospel music really is is a faith that
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  Speaker 1: is inspirational. A lot of people forget that component of
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  Speaker 1: gospel music is motivational and inspirational. And if people would
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  Speaker 1: understand that that's the basic drive behind gospel music, they
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  Speaker 1: would see it differently. Yeah, And there's that's interesting because
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  Speaker 1: I was just having a conversation with a person on
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  Speaker 1: the street. Actually I was trying to go to the bank,
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  Speaker 1: but I saw someone I knew. We started talking. And
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  Speaker 1: gospel of music has an evangelistic tool to it where
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  Speaker 1: you can draw people to the Lord, and it also
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  Speaker 1: has an edification. Edification uh tool to it where it
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  Speaker 1: can edify and build up the body of Christ those
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  Speaker 1: of us who already believe Hers. So there's a lot
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  Speaker 1: of different functions for gospel music other than just you know,
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  Speaker 1: the alter call type music that I mentioned earlier in
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  Speaker 1: our interview, as well as the music that just inspires
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  Speaker 1: and uplifts the body of Christ. And then there's a
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  Speaker 1: message that you can just enjoy whether you are say
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  Speaker 1: believer or not. You can get certainly UH dances some
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  Speaker 1: Kirk franking 's just from ryans Allen. But I wanted
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  Speaker 1: to jump on one of the points that you made, Rashan,
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  Speaker 1: because it was so I didn't realize it, but uh
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  Speaker 1: we Falled Down was a crossover hit for Pastor mcclerk
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  Speaker 1: and uh it really brought him to the mainstream. But
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  Speaker 1: back in the day, a song called I Belonged to
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  Speaker 1: You on Stacks Records was a crossover song for Rance
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  Speaker 1: Alan that he got pushed back on when his songs
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  Speaker 1: started to be playing in nightcloves and in other circles
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  Speaker 1: other than the gospel of music circles. And uh Rance
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  Speaker 1: was telling me the other day that um, they were
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  Speaker 1: on the Big Stack Records tour with the Barcades and
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  Speaker 1: Oldest Randing and all a little Isaac Hayes, all the
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  Speaker 1: folks that was on stacks back in the day. And
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  Speaker 1: the MC would just say, you know, we're gonna stop
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  Speaker 1: and have church right now, and they bring the m
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  Speaker 1: Salent group out and they would do their set and
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  Speaker 1: they wouldn't change the thing. And then they go back
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  Speaker 1: to Isaac Hayes and some of the other accent was
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  Speaker 1: on the label. So they've been integrating their safe based
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  Speaker 1: music for years and Pastor mc clark has been doing
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  Speaker 1: the same in more recent years. But it's just ironic
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  Speaker 1: that those both of those acts have had that kind
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  Speaker 1: of experience in the in the business. You know, I
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  Speaker 1: smell a documentary, Come on down, Dr Bob mc at
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  Speaker 1: Julia smell a document because these stories, man, I tell you,
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  Speaker 1: that's why I say that I think that that's the
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  Speaker 1: next the wave that I'm talking about, the motivational side,
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  Speaker 1: the inspirational side, because what happens is if you're gonna
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  Speaker 1: get these young people, and that's what it is, because
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  Speaker 1: you know, gospel tends to you know, there's a plus
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  Speaker 1: thirty plus forty female jounal female driven up a fan
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  Speaker 1: base is that the millennials and that Gen Z audience
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  Speaker 1: is about entrepreneurship. They're about motivation, and we all know
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  Speaker 1: social media is driven by motivation and inspirational thoughts. That's
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  Speaker 1: why the conversation with Phil Thornton over Our City Inspiration,
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  Speaker 1: I was just talking about how you have to control
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  Speaker 1: your narrative, and I enjoy talking to you because you
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  Speaker 1: are doing that. But I think the next message that
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  Speaker 1: we need to let everybody knows that that that the
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  Speaker 1: negative thing that that gospel music gets is that it
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  Speaker 1: feels like, you know, it feels like it's so And
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  Speaker 1: I'm trying to say it right because I want to
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  Speaker 1: let everybody understand that, you know, everybody don't have to
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  Speaker 1: go to church to draw the blessings of gospel music.
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  Speaker 1: And that tends to to to be the message, it
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  Speaker 1: needs to be the message where if we if we
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  Speaker 1: let everybody know, just like I don't have to go
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  Speaker 1: to a nightclub there and George jay Z, we see
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  Speaker 1: that that's not resonating in the gospel community. You said
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  Speaker 1: saying it's like a certain certain type of person is
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  Speaker 1: supposed to be listening to music, and that's not true.
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  Speaker 1: And so so my my my vos and my and
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  Speaker 1: my my cause the champion. And one of the reasons
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  Speaker 1: I wanted to get you on the phone was to
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  Speaker 1: be able to say that that that I want to
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  Speaker 1: be in a position to be able to start caring
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  Speaker 1: that tort and motivation that carrying that tort you for
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  Speaker 1: you not to say, hey, I don't want to I
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  Speaker 1: don't want to get to holy goosts on you. But
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  Speaker 1: you know I don't want to get to spiritual on you.
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  Speaker 1: Why not? Well, you know, because I you know, the
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  Speaker 1: whole ending. I don't want the interview to be about me.
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  Speaker 1: That's the main reason. Excuse me, excuse me. Uh, I
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  Speaker 1: want to put it out there. I definitely want to
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  Speaker 1: be ashamed of the Gospel of Jesus. Class are ashamed
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  Speaker 1: of my testimony. But when I was in the R
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  Speaker 1: and B field, I got hooked on cocaine, and the
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  Speaker 1: last six years of that I was hooked on crack cocaine,
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  Speaker 1: and I lost every worldly possessing that I had in
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  Speaker 1: life to THEE. So I got saved in nineteen eighties
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  Speaker 1: seven and born again and delivered, and and then the
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  Speaker 1: Lord called me into gospel music ministry, and that's where
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  Speaker 1: I am today. So when I said that, I was like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, how much time do you really have on
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  Speaker 1: the radio today because I could really tell you something
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  Speaker 1: those things. But yeah, I'm a born, born again Christian
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  Speaker 1: and they delivered um cocaine addict. So and I don't
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  Speaker 1: always talk about that. When I was raising my kids,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't want to glorify drug abuse or anything of
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  Speaker 1: that nature. Is nothing to brag about, but that was
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  Speaker 1: the route I foolishly took in my youth years. I started,
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  Speaker 1: you know, very very early in my pre teens actually
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: abusing drugs or sub type. So when I became thirty
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: years old, as when I got born again, and then
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: I started producing the gospel superfessuh years later, about a
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: decade later, when I started producing the Superfess. So you know,
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: that's when I said, I didn't want to go run
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  Speaker 1: anybody away, but what I wanted the lifestyle and the
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  Speaker 1: in the business coincides with what you know. My beliefs
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: are whether release or that you have a journey, and
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: that's what this shows about. It's just see, I don't
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  Speaker 1: like everybody here in this overnight success story or people
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: think that you just showed up in Hollywood you look good.
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  Speaker 1: Somebody tapped you on the shoulder, so you started in
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  Speaker 1: a Marvel movie. It doesn't work like that. My journey.
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  Speaker 1: And I can tell you about a cancer survivor, I
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: can tell you about the standing in hospital for thirty days.
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  Speaker 1: I can tell you about uh following off a six
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  Speaker 1: ft high ladder and bringing just my arm okay, falling backwards. Okay.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: So so we all have these stories. But then in
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: the process of creating these stories, they mean that there's
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: the things where journey is attached to it. And when
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: people hear the journey, they know that what inspired you? Okay,
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: where were you at in the high and the low points?
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  Speaker 1: And that's all I'm saying is that your journey is
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: equally as important. Is that's promoting the nineteenth Annual Aprican
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  Speaker 1: Fried Gospel super Fest TV that journey. Without that journey,
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  Speaker 1: we're not talking today. Without the journey, We're not having
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  Speaker 1: this honest conversation about success and failure because you understand both.
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  Speaker 1: So who do I want to talk to. I want
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: to talk to about who's never failed? And they're like, no, no,
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  Speaker 1: I appreciate that. I do appreciate that. And that's something
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  Speaker 1: you know, probably will be in my book slash documentary
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  Speaker 1: down the road. But I certainly, you know, and I
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  Speaker 1: am a little reserved, you know, when I'm on you know,
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  Speaker 1: in public settings about all of the uh, you know,
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: the things that we've done, the mistakes that we've made
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: down through the years, and so when I you know,
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: but I am relevant to uh, the opioid crisis that
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: we have now and the things that are going on
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  Speaker 1: when people are being tricked by the devil and and
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: falling in the divers uh addictions and things of that nature.
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  Speaker 1: I do know that there is another side. A lot
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  Speaker 1: of times when you're in bonded just like that, uh,
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: when you're when you're experiencing it, you just don't see
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  Speaker 1: any way out. Well, you know, I'm thirty years on
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  Speaker 1: the other side of crack addition, so I do know
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  Speaker 1: that there is a way out, and there's a way
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  Speaker 1: for the Lord to keep you out. And so that
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  Speaker 1: message has to be has to you know, be out
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