Latest / Deep Dive Ortho — Orthopaedic Surgery, AI & Digital Health Podcast. / Orthobiologics
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- 0:00Welcome back to The Deep Dive. Today we're taking
- 0:02a really close look at her, a fascinating area
- 0:06in musculoskeletal medicine, orthobiologics.
- 0:10It seems to be everywhere now. It really does.
- 0:12It's a field that's certainly captured a lot
- 0:13of attention. And at its heart, orthobiologics
- 0:17is about using biological materials, often ones
- 0:20naturally found in your body, to try and, well...
- 0:22boost healing and regeneration in tissues like
- 0:25bone, cartilage, tendons. Right, the musculoskeletal
- 0:28system. And these materials, they can be from
- 0:30the patient themselves. Autologous, is that the
- 0:32term? That's one, yes. Autologous means from
- 0:34you. Or they can be allogeneic, meaning they
- 0:36come from another human donor. Okay. And our
- 0:39aim today, really, is to unpack this whole area.
- 0:42We've got some great sources, recent reviews,
- 0:45even a curriculum outline for professionals.
- 0:47Yes. And what these sources really highlight
- 0:49is this sort of tension. On one hand, you have
- 0:51this increasing popularity, this huge interest.
- 0:54But on the other, establishing really solid evidence
- 0:57-based guidelines is proving, well, quite difficult.
- 1:00Why is that? Is it because the treatments themselves
- 1:02are so different? That's a huge part of it. The
- 1:05term orthobiologics covers such a diverse range
- 1:08of materials and preparation methods. It's not
- 1:11like a single pill with a defined dose. So comparing
- 1:14studies, standardizing treatment, it's complex.
- 1:17It feels like the underlying idea is incredibly
- 1:20appealing though, moving beyond just managing
- 1:22symptoms to actually trying to heal the damaged
- 1:25tissue itself. That's absolutely the goal. Targeting
- 1:28the root cause, stimulating repair rather than
- 1:31just masking pain. But as you said, translating
- 1:35that promise into reliably effective, predictable
- 1:38treatments, well, that journey is proving quite
- 1:40intricate. So let's start with the basics. What
- 1:42exactly falls under this umbrella term orthobiologics?
- 1:46What are the main types we should know about?
- 1:48OK, good place to start. We can broadly divide
- 1:50them into two main categories, really based on
- 1:52the source material. First, you have the blood
- 1:54-based therapies. Like PRP. That's the one most
- 1:56people have probably heard of. Precisely. Platelet
- 1:59-rich plasma, or PRP, is the best known. And
- 2:02then you have some variations, sometimes called
- 2:04PRP -like products. Things like autologous condition
- 2:07serum ACS, or autologous protein solution APS.
- 2:10They all start with the patient's blood. OK,
- 2:12blood -based. What's the other main group? The
- 2:15second major category involves tissues or cells.
- 2:18So this includes things like bone marrow, aspirate
- 2:20concentrate, or BMAC. Right, from bone marrow.
- 2:24Yes. And then microfragmented adipose tissue,
- 2:27emahete. which is derived from fat tissue. And
- 2:30then you get into more specific cell populations,
- 2:33perhaps the most talked about being mesenchymal
- 2:35stromal cells or MSCs. And getting hold of these
- 2:38materials, how is that done? Does it involve
- 2:41complicated procedures? It varies quite a bit
- 2:44depending on the product. For PRP, the concept
- 2:46is fairly simple. You draw some blood from the
- 2:49patient, much like a standard blood test, and
- 2:51then you use a centrifuge. To spin it down. Exactly.
- 2:54to separate the components and concentrate the
- 2:56platelets. Platelets are packed with growth factors,
- 2:58which are key to the proposed mechanism. Okay,
- 3:00and for the others, BMAC and MFAT. BMAC requires
- 3:04aspirating bone marrow, usually from the iliac
- 3:06crest, the hip bone. That aspirate is then typically
- 3:09centrifuged as well to concentrate the nucleated
- 3:12cells. Right. Which include those MSCs amongst
- 3:14other cell types. An MFAT from fat. Yes. That
- 3:18usually involves a small liposuction procedure
- 3:20to harvest some fat tissue. This fat is then
- 3:23processed essentially minced or washed to create
- 3:26this micro fragmented tissue that can be injected.
- 3:28It retains cells within their natural matrix
- 3:30to some extent. So you're taking something the
- 3:33body already has, concentrating or processing
- 3:35it minimally and putting it back where it's needed.
- 3:37What are they actually doing then, once injected?
- 3:40How are they supposed to help healing? The mechanism
- 3:42of action. That's perhaps the most debated and
- 3:46researched area. The central idea is that these
- 3:48preparations are loaded with bioactive molecules,
- 3:51growth factors, cytokines, signaling molecules.
- 3:53Biological messengers, essentially. That's a
- 3:55good way to put it. Platelets in PRP, for instance,
- 3:58release a whole cocktail of potent growth factors
- 4:00when activated at the injury site. Things like
- 4:03PDGF, TGF -beta, VEGF, the list goes on. And
- 4:07these factors trigger something. They're thought
- 4:10to orchestrate a complex biological response.
- 4:13This includes potentially dampening down excessive
- 4:16inflammation, which can actually hinder repair
- 4:18if it goes on too long. Okay, reducing that inflammation.
- 4:21Yes, but also promoting the good stuff. Yeah.
- 4:24stimulating local cells to multiply, proliferate,
- 4:28and perhaps change into the cell types needed
- 4:30for repair, like cartilage cells or tendon cells,
- 4:33that's differentiation. Right. They also encourage
- 4:36the growth of new blood vessels, angiogenesis,
- 4:39which is vital for bringing oxygen and nutrients
- 4:42to the healing tissue. Some components might
- 4:45even provide a temporary scaffold or directly
- 4:48interact with cell signaling pathways to guide
- 4:50the repair process. So it's not just one thing,
- 4:52it's a whole local conversation stimulating repair.
- 4:57Precisely. A complex interplay. And it's important
- 4:59to realize different orthobiologics contribute
- 5:01differently. PRP's main contribution is considered
- 5:04to be that burst of growth factors from the platelets.
- 5:07Whereas BMS or MFAT contain a mixture of cells,
- 5:11including MSCs, which can also release factors,
- 5:13modulate the immune response, and potentially
- 5:15contribute more directly to tissue building.
- 5:17Although the extent to which they truly differentiate
- 5:20in vivo is still debated. And you mentioned PRP
- 5:23isn't technically cell therapy in the same way?
- 5:25That's a key distinction made in the sources,
- 5:27yes. While platelets are cell fragments, PRP's
- 5:30action is primarily through the factors within
- 5:32those fragments. It's not usually classified
- 5:35alongside therapies, where the intent is to deliver
- 5:38a concentrated dose of viable cells like MSCs
- 5:41from bone marrow or fat. That makes sense. And
- 5:43although using these for, say, arthritis or tendon
- 5:46injuries feels quite cutting edge, this idea
- 5:49of using the body's own materials isn't brand
- 5:51new, is it? Not at all. The concept has roots
- 5:54going back decades. One of the reviews mentions
- 5:57the first documented clinical use of autologous
- 5:59PRP blood taken and given back to the same patient
- 6:01was actually in cardiac surgery, way back in
- 6:041987. Really? Cardiac surgery? Yes. So while
- 6:09the focus on joints and tendons has boomed more
- 6:11recently, the underlying principle isn't entirely
- 6:14novel. It's been evolving for quite some time.
- 6:17Given that history and these really interesting
- 6:19potential mechanisms, you'd think the evidence
- 6:21base would be rock solid by now. But you said
- 6:24earlier establishing guidelines is tough. What's
- 6:27the reality of the research? Ah, yes. Moving
- 6:29from the theory to the clinical evidence. This
- 6:32is where things get, well, complicated. The single
- 6:36biggest challenge echoed across all the sources
- 6:38is the heterogeneity. Meaning the variability.
- 6:41Exactly. Orthobiologics aren't standardized drugs.
- 6:44Take PRP. Its exact composition can vary massively
- 6:47depending on the patient's own biology, their
- 6:49age, health status, even recent activity levels.
- 6:52Right. Then add in variations in how the blood
- 6:54is collected, which commercial kit is used for
- 6:56processing, the centrifuge settings, the final
- 6:59volume, whether an activator is used. You end
- 7:02up with potentially very different products,
- 7:04all being called PRP. So comparing study results
- 7:06is like comparing apples and, well, sometimes
- 7:09very different apples or maybe even pears. That's
- 7:12a fair analogy. And this lack of standardization
- 7:14extends beyond just the product. Dosing isn't
- 7:18standardized, injection techniques vary, post
- 7:20-injection rehab protocols differ. It makes pooling
- 7:23data and drawing firm conclusions incredibly
- 7:26difficult. And you mentioned even practitioners
- 7:28might lack standardized training. Yes. The curriculum
- 7:32outline we looked at specifically points to a
- 7:34need for more comprehensive standardized education.
- 7:37There's a knowledge gap, which can further contribute
- 7:40to inconsistent application and outcomes. All
- 7:43this variability inevitably impacts research
- 7:45quality. Okay. So bearing that major caveat in
- 7:48mind, let's try to pick apart what the evidence
- 7:50does show. Starting with PRP again, as it's the
- 7:53most studied, where does it seem to stand? Right.
- 7:55PRP certainly has the largest volume of research,
- 7:58especially for common things like knee osteoarthritis
- 8:00or KOA. Several meta -analysis studies that pool
- 8:03data from multiple trials do report positive
- 8:05findings for KOA. Improvements in patient -reported
- 8:08outcomes, things like pain scores and functional
- 8:11ability. For example, a well -known meta -analysis
- 8:14by Shen and colleagues looked at 14 randomized
- 8:17controlled trials, or RCTs, involving over 1
- 8:20,400 patients. They found that PRP injections
- 8:24led to statistically significant improvements
- 8:25in WAC, scores a standard measure for OA pain,
- 8:29stiffness, and function compared to control groups.
- 8:32At 3, six, and even 12 months follow -up. That
- 8:35sounds pretty positive, doesn't it? Significant
- 8:37improvements lasting up to a year. On the surface,
- 8:40yes, it does sound encouraging. However... And
- 8:42this is a crucial, however, the same meta -analysis
- 8:45performed a risk of bias assessment on those
- 8:4714 trials. Assessing the quality of the studies
- 8:50themselves. Exactly. And they found that 10 out
- 8:52of the 14 RCTs were judged to have a high risk
- 8:55of bias. The other four were at moderate risk.
- 8:58High risk of bias in most of the studies. What
- 8:59does that mean practically? It means we have
- 9:01to be cautious about how much we trust the results.
- 9:04High -risk bias could stem from issues like inadequate
- 9:07blinding patients or assessors, knowing who got
- 9:10which treatment, unclear methods for selecting
- 9:12patients, or inconsistent follow -up. These flaws
- 9:16can skew the results, potentially exaggerating
- 9:18the benefit. So, the overall signal might point
- 9:21towards a benefit for NEOA, but the foundations
- 9:24of that evidence aren't as solid as we'd ideally
- 9:26like, partly due to study quality and that variability
- 9:29in PRP itself. That sums it up well. There's
- 9:32potential benefits suggested, but the evidence
- 9:34quality is a significant concern. What about
- 9:37other common problems, like, say, tennis elbow
- 9:39lateral epicondylitis. Yes, that's another area
- 9:42where PRP has been studied quite a bit. A systematic
- 9:45review and meta -analysis by Nemec did report
- 9:48improvements in patient outcome scores that were
- 9:50considered clinically meaningful, meaning the
- 9:53average improvement was large enough for patients
- 9:54to actually notice a difference. Okay, so potentially
- 9:56helpful there, too. Potentially. But again, caveats
- 10:00apply. That particular review highlighted major
- 10:03inconsistencies in the studies it included. things
- 10:06like missing data on patient age or sex, or crucially,
- 10:10not specifying the exact PRP preparation used.
- 10:13Ah, that standardization issue again. Precisely.
- 10:16And importantly, that NEMEAC review didn't include
- 10:18a formal risk of bias assessment using standard
- 10:21tools. So while the results seem positive, it's
- 10:24harder to gauge the reliability without knowing
- 10:26the quality of the underlying studies. It's a
- 10:28recurring pattern, isn't it? Promising signals,
- 10:31but hampered by inconsistency in questions about
- 10:33research quality? What about plantar fasciitis,
- 10:36that heel pain condition? Indeed. A fairly recent
- 10:39meta -analysis from 2024 by Herber looked at
- 10:4221 RCTs with over 1 ,300 patients. They found
- 10:46the PRP injections seemed more effective at reducing
- 10:48pain compared to several other common treatments,
- 10:51corticosteroids, shockwave therapy, and even
- 10:54placebo injections. Better pain relief, that's
- 10:56significant. It is. They also found better scores
- 10:58on a specific foot and ankle function scale,
- 11:01the AOFAS Ankle Heimfoot score, when comparing
- 11:04PRP to steroid injections and placebo. So improvements
- 11:07in pain and function there? Well, better scores
- 11:10on that specific functional scale, yes. But interestingly,
- 11:14the same analysis found no significant difference
- 11:16between PRP and the other groups when looking
- 11:19at objective measures, like the actual thickness
- 11:22of the plantar fascia measured on ultrasound,
- 11:24or when using a different functional score called
- 11:26the foot function index. Hmm, so pain relief
- 11:29seems better, but maybe not changing the underlying
- 11:31tissue thickness or overall foot function consistently.
- 11:34That seems to be the implication. And echoing
- 11:37the findings in other areas, the authors explicitly
- 11:40noted significant variability in the PRP methods
- 11:42used across the trials and concluded that the
- 11:45overall quality of the included RCTs was low.
- 11:48low -quality evidence again. It really underlines
- 11:51the challenge, doesn't it? Even where results
- 11:53look positive, like pain relief for plantar fasciitis,
- 11:57the confidence in that finding is weakened by
- 11:59the study quality. Absolutely. It's a constant
- 12:01refrain in the literature. What about less common
- 12:03applications? We hear about PRP being used for
- 12:07ligament tears, other tendon problems, even spine
- 12:09issues, or during meniscus surgery. Yes. Clinical
- 12:13practice has certainly expanded into these areas,
- 12:16but the sources suggest that strong evidence
- 12:18-based consensus statements or clear guidelines
- 12:20are generally lacking here. Meta -analyses looking
- 12:24into these applications often find, well, a similar
- 12:27picture. Promising hints, but not definitive.
- 12:30Exactly. Some studies might suggest a benefit,
- 12:33for instance, lower failure rates after meniscus
- 12:35repair surgery when PRP is added, but then maybe
- 12:38no significant difference in functional outcome
- 12:40scores. Or for low back pain or spinal fusion,
- 12:43some studies report pain reduction or maybe faster
- 12:45signs of bone healing on scans, but don't necessarily
- 12:48show that PRP improves the overall success rate
- 12:51of the fusion compared to standard methods. The
- 12:54evidence tends to be quite mixed, often based
- 12:56on smaller studies and hampered by that same
- 12:59issue of heterogeneity. So, really, outside of
- 13:01maybe neo -A, where there's a larger volume of
- 13:04research, albeit flawed, the evidence for PRP
- 13:07across the board is quite patchy and often low
- 13:09quality. That's a fair summary of the current
- 13:12state, according to these reviews. And what about
- 13:14those PRP -like products you mentioned earlier,
- 13:16ACS and APS? Right. These are variations where
- 13:19the blood undergoes extra processing steps, aiming
- 13:22to perhaps enhance certain components, like anti
- 13:25-inflammatory factors in ACS or concentrating
- 13:28a broader range of proteins in APS. Is the evidence
- 13:31any clearer for them? Actually, it's much less
- 13:34developed. The key finding from the sources is
- 13:36stark. There are currently no randomized controlled
- 13:39trials published specifically evaluating these
- 13:42PRP -like products. The studies that do exist
- 13:45are generally preliminary, small pilot studies
- 13:48with limited statistical power to draw firm conclusions.
- 13:51So even less evidence to go on there compared
- 13:54to standard PRP? Considerably less, yes. Okay.
- 13:56That paints a rather complex picture for the
- 13:58blood -based therapies. Let's switch focus now
- 14:01to the other main category. The tissue and cell
- 14:04-based options like BMA, MFA, and MSC therapies.
- 14:08How does the evidence stack up for those? Well,
- 14:11generally speaking, the development pathway for
- 14:12these therapies tends to be longer and more expensive
- 14:15than for blood products like PRP. Makes sense.
- 14:17Dealing with tissues and cells seems more involved.
- 14:19It is. And while safety data from initial studies
- 14:22often looks acceptable for several of these products,
- 14:25the overall volume of high -quality research,
- 14:27especially large RCTs and meta -analyses, is
- 14:30significantly lower than what we see for PRP.
- 14:32And is a research focus similar, mainly knee
- 14:35OA? Yes. Much of the existing clinical trial
- 14:38evidence for BMH, MST and MSCs in orthopedics
- 14:41has also concentrated on knee osteoarthritis.
- 14:45Are they plagued by the same issues of study
- 14:47quality and potential bias that affect the PRP
- 14:50literature? Unfortunately, yes. The sources explicitly
- 14:53state that a high risk of bias is frequently
- 14:55identified in trials of cell and tissue based
- 14:57therapies. This can sometimes be linked to factors
- 15:00like industry funding, influencing study design
- 15:02or reporting, or simply due to poor methodological
- 15:05execution. It makes interpreting the results
- 15:07reliably quite challenging. So similar problems,
- 15:10just with less data overall. Can you give us
- 15:12some examples of the findings or lack thereof?
- 15:14Let's stick with KOA, as it's the most researched
- 15:17area. One of the reviews cited a meta -analysis
- 15:20that specifically searched for large randomized
- 15:22controlled trials. They defined large as having
- 15:25over 100 participants in each treatment group
- 15:28published between the years 2000 and 2023. OK,
- 15:31looking for the most robust evidence, what did
- 15:33they find? Quite strikingly, they found only
- 15:36one trial focused on a cell -based therapy for
- 15:39OA that met their size criteria. Just one in
- 15:41over two decades of research. Wow, only one large
- 15:45RCT. Which therapy was that? It was a trial investigating
- 15:48autologous adipose -derived MSC stem cells taken
- 15:52from the patient's own fat tissue, which were
- 15:54then expanded in culture, meaning grown to larger
- 15:56numbers in the lab, before being injected. That
- 15:58really highlights the scarcity of large -scale
- 16:01evidence for these therapies compared to PRP,
- 16:03doesn't it? It certainly does. And, adding another
- 16:05layer of complexity, even that single large trial
- 16:08was assessed in the meta -analysis as having
- 16:10a high risk of bias. Oh dear. Why was that? Issues
- 16:14were raised regarding how patients were allocated
- 16:15to the treatment groups and how the study handled
- 16:18missing data, which can introduce bias. When
- 16:21the meta -analysis pulled the data, Primarily
- 16:24from this one large high -bias study, it concluded
- 16:27there was no superior effect on pain relief at
- 16:3012 weeks compared to other interventions. So
- 16:33the big picture from that analysis wasn't overwhelmingly
- 16:35positive? Not from the pooled analysis, no. However,
- 16:39there's an important nuance mentioned in the
- 16:41source. The original publication of that specific
- 16:43large trial did report that significantly more
- 16:46patients treated with the expanded MSCs achieved
- 16:49what's called the minimal clinically important
- 16:52difference. or MCID, for both pain and function
- 16:55scores at the six -month mark. Meaning enough
- 16:58patients experienced a meaningful improvement
- 17:00at six months, even if the average difference
- 17:02wasn't significant at 12 weeks in the meta -analysis.
- 17:05Exactly. It shows how different analysis approaches
- 17:08or time points can sometimes lead to different
- 17:10headline conclusions, which adds to the confusion.
- 17:13That's a critical point. Was there any significant
- 17:15research published after that meta -analysis
- 17:18cutoff? Yes. A very important one. A large multi
- 17:22-center RCT with 480 patients was published in
- 17:26late 2023 by Motner and colleagues after the
- 17:29time frame cover by the previously mentioned
- 17:31meta -analysis. OK, what did that one look at?
- 17:33It directly compared intra -articular injections
- 17:35of BMAC and SVF stromal vascular fraction, which
- 17:39is another preparation derived from fat containing
- 17:42MSCs and other cells, but typically not culture
- 17:45expanded against the saline placebo injection
- 17:47for patients with knee OA. A head -to -head comparison
- 17:49with placebo in a large trial? That sounds like
- 17:52exactly the kind of study needed. What were the
- 17:54results? The primary outcome was knee pain at
- 17:5612 months, and the finding was quite clear. The
- 17:59study reported no superiority of either BMAC
- 18:01or SVF compared to the placebo injection. No
- 18:05statistically significant difference in pain
- 18:07improvement. No difference compared to placebo
- 18:09in a large, well -conducted trial. That's quite
- 18:11significant, isn't it? It seems to temper some
- 18:13of the enthusiasm. It certainly does. It represents
- 18:16a high -quality piece of evidence that challenges
- 18:18some of the positive findings reported in smaller,
- 18:21potentially less rigorous studies. It suggests
- 18:24that for knee -away pain, at least at 12 months,
- 18:27These specific preparations might not offer a
- 18:30benefit beyond a placebo effect. So while smaller
- 18:33studies might hint at benefits, the bigger, better
- 18:35trials aren't consistently backing that up for
- 18:38cell or tissue therapies in KOA. That seems to
- 18:41be the trend emerging from the high -level evidence
- 18:43landscape right now. Now, it's fair to say there
- 18:46are other smaller meta -analyses often looking
- 18:48at trials with fewer than 30 patients per group.
- 18:51Right. Some of these have reported positive findings
- 18:53regarding safety and efficacy for therapies like
- 18:56ADMS. MSCs, adipose -derived MSCs, or SVF. However,
- 19:00the sources caution that the criteria used to
- 19:02assess bias in these smaller reviews might be
- 19:05less strict, or many of the included studies
- 19:07themselves don't meet the criteria for low risk
- 19:09of bias across all important domains. So again,
- 19:12the quality of the underlying evidence is a concern.
- 19:15Yes, a recent 2024 meta -analysis pooled 15 RCTs
- 19:19on various cell therapies for OA, mostly small
- 19:22studies using VMSC -BME, ADMSE, or even umbilical
- 19:27cord MSCs. While its overall conclusion leaned
- 19:30towards safety and efficacy, it also noted that
- 19:32only about a third of the included studies were
- 19:34judged to have a low risk of bias. So if you
- 19:36had to summarize the evidence for these cell
- 19:38and tissue therapies? Based on the sources, the
- 19:40most studied are bone marrow -derived, BMSC -BMA,
- 19:43and adipose -derived ADMS CSVF products, mainly
- 19:47for an EOA. They appear generally safe in the
- 19:50context of these trials. However, the current
- 19:52high -level evidence from large, low -bias RCTs
- 19:55cannot definitively support clear mechanisms
- 19:57of action, leading to superior clinical outcomes
- 20:00compared to placebo or other treatments for many
- 20:02indications. Right. Therefore, the sources strongly
- 20:04emphasize the need for absolute transparency
- 20:07with patients about this limited high -level
- 20:09evidence when discussing these therapies as potential
- 20:11options. That makes perfect sense. So we have
- 20:15this complex picture of variable evidence, further
- 20:18complicated by issues of standardization and
- 20:21study quality, and then layered on top of that
- 20:23is the regulatory situation, which sounds like
- 20:26another minefield altogether. It absolutely is,
- 20:29particularly in the U .S., where the FDA, the
- 20:32Food and Drug Administration, is the main player.
- 20:34But it's not just them. Who else is involved?
- 20:36You've got the Federal Trade Commission, the
- 20:38FTC, which looks at advertising claims, making
- 20:40sure they aren't false or misleading. You have
- 20:43state medical boards overseeing how doctors practice.
- 20:46And then a whole host of professional societies
- 20:48and international groups issue guidelines or
- 20:51position statements, organizations like the APM
- 20:54&R, AMSSM, the ISSCR. A lot of cooks in the kitchen,
- 20:57potentially. How does the FDA actually categorize
- 21:00these orthobiologics? Is there a specific system?
- 21:03Yes, they have a framework specifically for what
- 21:05a term human cells, tissues, and cellular and
- 21:07tissue -based products, or HCTPs for short. It's
- 21:11outlined in Title 21 of the Code of Federal Regulations,
- 21:14Part 1271. Within that, There's essentially a
- 21:17tiered risk based system. Tier one is the lowest
- 21:19risk, focused mainly on preventing disease transmission
- 21:22through good tissue practices. Tier two falls
- 21:25under section 361 of the Public Health Service
- 21:27Act. These HCTPs need to meet specific criteria
- 21:30and require FDA registration and adherence to
- 21:33good tissue practices, but don't need pre -market
- 21:35approval. In tier three. Tier three is for higher
- 21:38risk products, regulated under section 351. These
- 21:41are treated much more like drugs or traditional
- 21:43biologics. They require an investigational new
- 21:46drug application, or IND, to even conduct clinical
- 21:49trials in humans. And before they can be marketed,
- 21:52they need a full biologics license application,
- 21:54or BLA, demonstrating safety and effectiveness.
- 21:57That's a very high bar. A huge difference between
- 21:59Tier 2 and Tier 3, then. Where do common orthobiologics
- 22:02like PRP, BMAC, and mFAT2 typically fit? This
- 22:06is where it gets particularly nuanced. PRP and
- 22:09PPP platelet -poor plasma derived solely from
- 22:12a patient's blood are generally not regulated
- 22:14by the FDA under the HCTP framework as Section
- 22:17361 products. They tend to fall under different
- 22:20less stringent regulatory oversight focused on
- 22:23blood product safety and device clearance for
- 22:25the preparation kits. So PRP has a relatively
- 22:28simpler regulatory path within this specific
- 22:31HCTP structure. Compared to cell and tissue products,
- 22:34generally yes, regarding the HTTP rules specifically.
- 22:38Now products like MFT and BMAC can potentially
- 22:40qualify as section 361 HTTPS, avoiding the stringent
- 22:44361 pathway, but only if they meet four key criteria.
- 22:48Four criteria, what are they? Okay, they are.
- 22:50One, the product must be minimally manipulated,
- 22:52meaning processing doesn't alter its relevant
- 22:54biological characteristics. Two, it must be intended
- 22:56for homologous use only, meaning it performs
- 22:59the same basic function in the recipient as it
- 23:01did in the donor. Right, like using bone graft
- 23:03for bone healing. Exactly. Three, the product
- 23:06isn't combined with other articles, apart from
- 23:08water, crystalloids, or certain sterilizing agents.
- 23:11And four, it either has no systemic effect and
- 23:14is independent on the metabolic activity of living
- 23:16cells for its primary function, or it's for autologous
- 23:20use, used in a first or second degree relative
- 23:22or reproductive use. That sounds quite specific
- 23:25and potentially open to interpretation. Very
- 23:28much so. The interpretation of minimal manipulation
- 23:31and homologous use is precisely where a lot of
- 23:34the regulatory debate and enforcement actions
- 23:36have focused, especially concerning fat -derived
- 23:39products like MF fat or SVF. Does the processing
- 23:42significantly alter the tissue? Is injecting
- 23:45it into a joint for cartilage repair truly homologous
- 23:48to the fat's original function? I see. And if
- 23:50a product doesn't meet all four criteria? Then,
- 23:53according to the FDA guidance outlined in the
- 23:55sources, it generally defaults to being regulated
- 23:57as a Section 351 product, a drug or biologic,
- 24:00requiring that full IND and BLA approval process
- 24:03before marketing. Which is a much longer and
- 24:05more expensive road. Is there any way around
- 24:07that, perhaps for treatments prepared and used
- 24:09immediately? Yes. There's a critical exception
- 24:12known as the same surgical procedure exception,
- 24:15detailed in Section 1 .71 .15b. of the regulations.
- 24:19Same surgical procedure? What does that cover?
- 24:22It applies when an HTTP like bone marrow or fat
- 24:25tissue is removed from a patient and implanted
- 24:27back into the same patient within the same single
- 24:29surgical procedure. The tissue must also remain
- 24:32in its original form and only be minimally manipulated
- 24:35as defined by the FDA. Okay, so if a surgeon
- 24:38takes some bone marrow during a knee operation,
- 24:41spins it down minimally, and injects it back
- 24:43into the knee during that same operation, that
- 24:45might fall under this exception. Precisely. If
- 24:48the criteria are met, This exception essentially
- 24:50supersedes the need to meet those four criteria
- 24:52for being a 361 product. It provides a regulatory
- 24:55pathway for many common autologous procedures.
- 24:58But the definition of minimal manipulation is
- 25:00still key here, too. Absolutely. And the FDA
- 25:03has issued guidance clarifying its interpretation.
- 25:06For example, using enzymes to digest fat tissue
- 25:08to isolate the stromal vascular fraction, SVF,
- 25:11is generally considered by the FDA to be more
- 25:13than minimal manipulation. Ah, so that would
- 25:16likely push SBF outside of this exception and
- 25:18potentially into the 351 category, needing full
- 25:21drug approval. That's the current FDA stance,
- 25:24yes. It's a really significant point of contention
- 25:26and regulatory focus. The source has also mentioned
- 25:29some products being advertised that aren't actually
- 25:31legal for widespread use. Yes, this is a major
- 25:34point of concern highlighted in the curriculum
- 25:36material. It warns practitioners and patients
- 25:39about products like many amniotic fluid or umbilical
- 25:42cord tissue products, culture expanded stem cells
- 25:45where cells are grown in a lab to multiply in
- 25:47exosomes? What's the issue with them? While these
- 25:49are areas of active research, they are frequently
- 25:52marketed directly to patients for various orthopedic
- 25:55conditions. However, according to the sources
- 25:58and current FDA enforcement, these products generally
- 26:01do not meet the criteria for Section 361 regulation
- 26:04and have not obtained the required BLA approval
- 26:06under Section 351 for these uses. Therefore,
- 26:09their marketing and use outside of an FDA -approved
- 26:12clinical trial under an IND is considered illegal.
- 26:15So things people might see advertised online
- 26:17or in clinics might not actually be compliant
- 26:19with FDA regulations. That's the stark warning.
- 26:22The FDA has particularly increased its enforcement
- 26:26actions against unapproved birth tissue products
- 26:28since 2021, making it clear they view most of
- 26:31these as 351 biologics requiring full approval.
- 26:35That's a huge disconnect. It also brings up the
- 26:37terminology FDA cleared versus FDA approved.
- 26:41They aren't the same, are they? Absolutely not.
- 26:42And it's a critical distinction. FDA cleared
- 26:45usually applies to medical devices, often through
- 26:47the 510K pathway. This means the device like
- 26:50a centrifuge or a kit used to prepare PRP or
- 26:53BMAC is deemed substantially equivalent to a
- 26:56device already legally on the market. It does
- 26:59not mean the FDA has evaluated the orthobiologic
- 27:01product itself for safety and effectiveness for
- 27:04specific clinical use. OK, so the kit might be
- 27:06cleared, but not the PRP itself for treating
- 27:08arthritis. Exactly. FDA approved is the standard
- 27:12for drugs and biologics. like Section 351 -HCTPs.
- 27:16This requires rigorous clinical trial data demonstrating
- 27:19safety and efficacy for a specific intended use
- 27:23or indication. And the sources are unequivocal
- 27:25on this point. Currently, no orthobiologic products
- 27:28or devices have received FDA approval specifically
- 27:31for treating osteoarthritis or tendinopathy.
- 27:34That is such a crucial piece of information for
- 27:36patients and clinicians. So... Technically, using
- 27:40PRP for knee arthritis is considered off -label
- 27:43use? Correct. Since PRP hasn't gone through the
- 27:45BLA process and received FDA approval specifically
- 27:48for the indication of knee osteoarthritis, using
- 27:51it for that purpose is off -label. But off -label
- 27:54doesn't necessarily mean bad or experimental,
- 27:56does it? Doctors use medications off -label quite
- 27:58often. That's true. The sources clarify that
- 28:01off -label use doesn't automatically imply a
- 28:03lack of supporting evidence, as we discussed.
- 28:05There is research on PRP for KOA, even with its
- 28:07limitations. However, it absolutely does mean
- 28:10the product hasn't met the FDA's highest bar
- 28:12for approval for that specific condition. It's
- 28:14about the regulatory status, not necessarily
- 28:16the scientific underpinning, although the two
- 28:18are related. Precisely. And this is where the
- 28:21FTC, the Federal Trade Commission, steps in regarding
- 28:23advertising. Clinics can't legally make claims
- 28:26that imply FDA approval for unapproved use, nor
- 28:30can they make unsubstantiated claims about curing
- 28:32diseases. Like broadly advertising stem cell
- 28:35cures. Exactly. Using misleading terms like stem
- 28:39cells for products that aren't primarily stem
- 28:41cells or overstating the evidence can attract
- 28:44FTC attention. Violating FDA or FTC regulations
- 28:48can have serious consequences, including warning
- 28:51letters, injunctions, and penalties. It really
- 28:53underscores why staying informed about the evolving
- 28:56regulatory landscape is so vital for practitioners.
- 28:59This complex web of evidence and regulation inevitably
- 29:02leads to significant ethical considerations,
- 29:05doesn't it? Absolutely. Ethics and transparency
- 29:07are arguably even more critical in orthobiologics
- 29:10than in areas with well -established approved
- 29:12treatments, precisely because of the variability
- 29:15in regulatory nuances. What are some of the key
- 29:17ethical challenges highlighted? A major one revolves
- 29:20around nomenclature, particularly the pervasive
- 29:23misuse of the term stem cells. Patients hear
- 29:26stem cells, and often equate it with powerful
- 29:28regenerative potential, maybe thinking of embryonic
- 29:31stem cells. But in orthobiologics, it's often
- 29:34used loosely to describe PRP, which contains
- 29:37no cells capable of differentiation, or BMSI
- 29:40and MIT. Which do contain some mesenchymal stromal
- 29:43cells, or MSCs. They do, yes. MSCs are a type
- 29:46of adult multipotent stromal cell, sometimes
- 29:49referred to as medicinal signaling cells now.
- 29:52But BMSC and MFA contain a whole mixture of cell
- 29:55types. And the MSCs present are typically in
- 29:58very low concentrations compared to culture expanded
- 30:01products. And they aren't being administered
- 30:02as a purified stem cell therapy in the way the
- 30:04term might imply. So using that stem cell label
- 30:07broadly can create unrealistic expectations.
- 30:10Definitely. It can significantly inflate patient
- 30:12hopes and misunderstandings about what's actually
- 30:14be administered and what it can realistically
- 30:17achieve based on current evidence. This relates
- 30:19to the broader problem of misleading public representations.
- 30:22Given the regulatory status, no FDA approval
- 30:25for common uses and the variable evidence, some
- 30:28marketing practices can cross ethical lines.
- 30:31The curriculum source actually lists several
- 30:33tactics that might be used to give their be an
- 30:35unearned air of legitimacy. What sort of tactics
- 30:38should people be aware of? They mentioned things
- 30:40like registering clinical trials, but then failing
- 30:43to publish the results, especially if they're
- 30:46negative. That creates a publication bias. Right.
- 30:49You only see the positive studies. Exactly. Also,
- 30:52publishing in predatory or low -impact journals
- 30:54that lack rigorous peer review, offering significant
- 30:58financial incentives for patients to pay cash
- 31:00upfront, bypassing insurance scrutiny. using
- 31:03carefully selected patient testimonials or celebrity
- 31:06endorsements that aren't representative of typical
- 31:09outcomes. And the misleading terminology we discussed.
- 31:11Yes, using terms like stem cells inaccurately.
- 31:15Even things like forming seemingly official sounding
- 31:18organizations that are essentially self -regulatory
- 31:20bodies without real oversight, or joining reputable
- 31:24academic societies, mainly for the implied credibility
- 31:27rather than active scientific contribution. These
- 31:31are always the appearance of legitimacy can be
- 31:33potentially manipulated. It paints a picture
- 31:35where patients really need robust, honest guidance.
- 31:39Absolutely. The cornerstone of ethical practice
- 31:41here is patient autonomy, which requires truly
- 31:44informed consent. That means having a detailed,
- 31:47transparent conversation covering everything.
- 31:49What needs to be included in that conversation?
- 31:51The practitioner must clearly explain. the specific
- 31:54indication based on the best available evidence
- 31:56or lack thereof, the potential benefits and limitations
- 31:59as shown in research, the known risks of the
- 32:02procedure and the product, all reasonable alternative
- 32:05treatments including standard non -surgical and
- 32:07surgical options, the costs involved, making
- 32:10it clear what is and isn't covered by insurance,
- 32:12and crucially, the FDA regulatory status explicitly
- 32:16stating that the product is not FDA approved
- 32:18for the condition being treated. That's comprehensive.
- 32:21The cost aspect also raises questions about access,
- 32:24doesn't it? It certainly does. Because these
- 32:26treatments are often not reimbursed by insurance,
- 32:29they are primarily accessible to those who can
- 32:31afford substantial out -of -pocket payments.
- 32:34This creates a significant potential for social
- 32:36inequity where access is dictated more by wealth
- 32:39than by clinical need or evidence of potential
- 32:42benefit. And conflicts of interest for the doctors
- 32:45themselves. That's another potential ethical
- 32:47pitfall. Physicians or clinics might have financial
- 32:50ties to the companies making the orthobiologic
- 32:53kits, or their business model might rely heavily
- 32:56on these cash -based procedures. Such conflicts
- 33:00need to be transparently disclosed and carefully
- 33:02managed to ensure treatment recommendations are
- 33:04driven by patient best interests, not financial
- 33:07gain. For a patient trying to cut through the
- 33:09hype and make a good decision, where can they
- 33:11turn for reliable information? It is challenging,
- 33:14but good resources exist. The FDA website has
- 33:17information on regulated products and warnings
- 33:19about unapproved therapies, though it can be
- 33:22technical. The International Society for Stem
- 33:24Cell Research, ISSCR, has excellent patient -focused
- 33:28resources, particularly regarding what constitutes
- 33:31legitimate stem cell therapy. The National Institutes
- 33:34of Health, NIH, in the US also provides reliable
- 33:38health information. Reputable patient advocacy
- 33:40groups for specific conditions might also offer
- 33:42guidance. Clinicians have an ethical duty to
- 33:45guide patients toward these credible sources.
- 33:47So if we pull all these threads together, the
- 33:49variable evidence, the regulatory maze, the ethical
- 33:51considerations, they all point towards significant
- 33:53limitations and challenges still facing orthobiologics.
- 33:56What are the biggest hurdles summarized across
- 33:58the sources? I think the first one has to be
- 34:00the inherent biological variability of the products
- 34:03themselves. As we've discussed, even using a
- 34:06patient's own blood or tissue doesn't guarantee
- 34:08a consistent product. Their age, health, genetics,
- 34:12even their immune profile. One source specifically
- 34:15mentions how immune cell counts influence PRP
- 34:17composition all play a role. It makes achieving
- 34:20a standardized dose incredibly difficult. The
- 34:23patient is the variable, in a way. In a significant
- 34:26way, yes. And then layered on top of that is
- 34:29the lack of standardization in everything else.
- 34:32Collection methods, processing protocols using
- 34:34different commercial kits, final preparation,
- 34:37dosing, administration techniques. It seems like
- 34:39this lack of standardization is the root of so
- 34:42many other problems, particularly with comparing
- 34:44research. It's absolutely fundamental. It directly
- 34:46contributes to inconsistent clinical outcomes
- 34:48and makes generating high quality, comparable
- 34:51evidence incredibly challenging, which leads
- 34:53to the next major limitation. the relative scarcity
- 34:56of large -scale, high -quality, long -term clinical
- 34:59trials. We need more big RCTs with low bias.
- 35:03Precisely. Trials that use standardized, clearly
- 35:06reported protocols and follow patients long enough
- 35:08to truly assess effectiveness and safety. Without
- 35:11that robust evidence base, it's hard to gain
- 35:14widespread acceptance from the medical community,
- 35:17difficult for regulators to grant specific approvals,
- 35:20and almost impossible to secure consistent insurance
- 35:23coverage. Which feeds directly into the cost
- 35:25issue. Exactly. The high out -of -pocket cost
- 35:28is a major limitation for patient access, and
- 35:31the high cost of conducting the necessary large
- 35:33trials is a barrier for researchers and companies.
- 35:37Are there other unresolved questions limiting
- 35:39progress? Yes, quite a few scientific unknowns
- 35:42remain. What's the optimal dose of platelets,
- 35:45cells, or growth factors for different conditions?
- 35:47What's the best way to deliver them simple injection
- 35:49combined with a scaffold, slow -release formulation?
- 35:53Are combination therapies better? We don't have
- 35:55definitive answers yet. And the underlying mechanisms
- 35:58aren't always fully mapped out either. That's
- 36:00another key area. While we have good hypotheses
- 36:03about growth factors and cell signaling, the
- 36:06precise biological pathways, how these therapies
- 36:09interact with the complex environment of an injured
- 36:11or degenerating joint, and crucially why some
- 36:14patients respond well and others don't. That's
- 36:17still not fully understood for many applications.
- 36:20Better mechanistic understanding could lead to
- 36:22much more targeted therapies. And are there lingering
- 36:25safety concerns or potential downsides? While
- 36:28the sources generally suggest serious adverse
- 36:30events are rare, with commonly used preparations
- 36:32like PRP and BMACM fat in clinical trials and
- 36:36practice, theoretical concerns exist. These include
- 36:39the potential for excessive scar tissue, fibrosis,
- 36:42unpredictable inflammatory reactions, or a concern
- 36:44primarily with cell -based therapies that might
- 36:46involve proliferation or differentiation, the
- 36:49theoretical risk of unwanted cell behavior, or
- 36:52even tumorigenicity if not properly controlled.
- 36:55These highlight the need for ongoing vigilance
- 36:57and long -term safety monitoring. Okay, so there
- 37:00are clearly significant hurdles still to overcome,
- 37:03but the field isn't stagnant. Where is Orthobiologics
- 37:05heading? What are the exciting future directions?
- 37:08Despite the challenges, it's a very dynamic field.
- 37:11Several innovative approaches are being actively
- 37:13pursued. One area gaining a lot of traction is
- 37:17exosome -based therapies. Exosomes. Tell us more.
- 37:20Exosomes are tiny nanoparticles naturally released
- 37:23by cells. They act like little delivery packages,
- 37:26carrying proteins, lipids, and RNA from one cell
- 37:28to another, basically mediating intercellular
- 37:30communication. The idea is to harness these natural
- 37:34messengers, potentially loaded with regenerative
- 37:36cargo, to deliver therapeutic signals without
- 37:38needing to inject whole cells. So cell -free
- 37:41therapy, using the message rather than the messenger.
- 37:44That's the concept. They might offer advantages
- 37:46like lower immunogenicity, less chance of triggering
- 37:49an immune reaction, and perhaps reduce concerns
- 37:52about cells surviving or behaving unpredictably
- 37:54after injection. It's still early days, needing
- 37:57large trials, but it's a very promising cell
- 37:59-free approach. Fascinating. What else is on
- 38:01the horizon? Gene -based and mRNA -based strategies
- 38:04are also being explored. The aim here is to actually
- 38:07instruct the patient's own cells at the injury
- 38:09site to produce specific healing factors or to
- 38:12modify their behavior in beneficial ways. Using
- 38:14things like CRISPR? Potentially, yes. Technologies
- 38:17like CRISPR -Cas9 offer the possibility of precise
- 38:20gene editing related to cartilage or bone biology.
- 38:24Or... using mRNA, similar to some vaccines, to
- 38:27temporarily make cells produce therapeutic proteins.
- 38:30These are definitely more futuristic, facing
- 38:32big challenges in terms of safe and effective
- 38:34delivery and ensuring the effects are controlled
- 38:36and durable. But the potential for programming
- 38:39tissue repair is immense. It sounds like science
- 38:42fiction becoming science fact. Beyond these novel
- 38:45therapies, are there efforts to refine existing
- 38:47approaches? Absolutely. A huge focus is on patient
- 38:51stratification, figuring out which patients are
- 38:53most likely to respond to which specific orthobiologic
- 38:56treatment. Moving away from a one -size -fits
- 38:58-all approach. Exactly. Researchers are hunting
- 39:00for biomarkers, maybe genetic markers, specific
- 39:03proteins or metabolites in blood or joint fluid,
- 39:06or particular patterns of immune cells that can
- 39:08predict treatment success. If we can identify
- 39:10responders beforehand, we can personalize treatment
- 39:13and improve overall success rates. That work
- 39:15on immune profiles influencing PRP is a step
- 39:19in this correction. Personalized regenerative
- 39:21medicine, that seems key. It does, and alongside
- 39:24that is the continued essential push for standardization.
- 39:27Developing and adopting clear, consistent, widely
- 39:30accepted protocols for how orthobiologics are
- 39:33prepared, characterized, and administered is
- 39:36seen as absolutely crucial for improving outcomes,
- 39:39enabling meaningful research comparisons, and
- 39:41ultimately achieving regulatory approvals and
- 39:44broader clinical adoption. It seems like that
- 39:46has to happen for the field to truly mature.
- 39:49It really does. We're also seeing more large
- 39:51-scale collaborative research efforts. The sources
- 39:54mention the European Propo Consortium, for example,
- 39:57which is bringing together multiple centers to
- 39:59rigorously investigate a specific placenta -derived
- 40:02cell therapy for knee OA. These kinds of structured
- 40:06multi -center collaborations are vital for generating
- 40:08high -quality evidence. What about improvements
- 40:10in actually delivering the therapies to the target
- 40:13tissue? Yes, that's another active area. Developing
- 40:16advanced delivery systems, like embedding the
- 40:19orthobiologic factors or cells within smart biomaterials,
- 40:23perhaps injectable hydrogels that solidify in
- 40:25place, or using nanoparticles to allow for slow,
- 40:29sustained release over time directly where needed.
- 40:31This could enhance efficacy and potentially reduce
- 40:35the number of treatments required. And combining
- 40:37therapies? Combination approaches are definitely
- 40:39being explored using multiple orthobiologics
- 40:41together, or combining them with physical scaffolds,
- 40:44specific growth factors, or even traditional
- 40:46rehabilitation therapies to achieve a synergistic
- 40:49effect greater than any single component alone.
- 40:51And technology like 3D printing fitting in? Yes.
- 40:553D bioprinting holds promise for creating patient
- 40:58-specific scaffolds that mimic the structure
- 41:00of the tissue being repaired. These scaffolds
- 41:03could potentially be seeded with the patient's
- 41:05own cells or infused with growth factors before
- 41:08implantation, offering both structural support
- 41:10and biological stimulation. And overarching all
- 41:14of this is the potential role of artificial intelligence
- 41:17and machine learning to analyze large data sets,
- 41:20identify patterns, predict outcomes, and help
- 41:22tailor these increasingly complex treatments
- 41:24to individual patients. So the future looks towards
- 41:28much more targeted, predictable, and personalized
- 41:30treatments, leveraging biology and technology
- 41:33together. That's certainly the long -term vision.
- 41:35But, and it's a consistent message from the sources,
- 41:38getting there depends entirely on continued rigorous
- 41:40science, robust clinical trials, a commitment
- 41:43to standardization, and unwavering ethical practice.
- 41:46The potential is enormous, but there's still
- 41:48a lot of work to do to fully realize it. Well,
- 41:51as we wrap up this deep dive, it's clear orthobiologics
- 41:53represent a really exciting frontier in musculoskeletal
- 41:56medicine aiming to harness the body's own healing
- 41:59power. Absolutely. But as we've explored, understanding
- 42:02this field means grappling with the different
- 42:04therapy types. The often complex and variable
- 42:07evidence base, the intricate regulatory landscape,
- 42:10and the very real limitations we currently face
- 42:13regarding standardization and predicting outcomes.
- 42:16There's definitely a gap, isn't there, between
- 42:19the growing clinical use and enthusiasm and the
- 42:23still developing high -level evidence and clear
- 42:25guidelines, particularly once you move beyond
- 42:28the most studied areas like PRP for NEOA. That
- 42:31gap is undeniable. The future looks bright with
- 42:34emerging technologies like exosomes in gene therapy
- 42:37and the push towards personalized medicine. But
- 42:40progress hinges on continued high quality research,
- 42:43agreed upon standards, and complete transparency
- 42:45with patients. If you found this deep dive valuable,
- 42:48please do consider rating the show or sharing
- 42:50it with a colleague who might find it interesting.
- 42:52And perhaps the final thought to leave you with
- 42:54is, could that convergence better patient stratification?
- 42:58standardized combination therapies, advanced
- 43:01delivery systems, could that finally be the key
- 43:04to unlocking the full potential of orthobiologics,
- 43:07moving them from promising but variable options
- 43:09to truly predictable personalized regenerative
- 43:12solutions? A fascinating question, and one we'll
- 43:15surely be revisiting. Thank you for joining us
- 43:16on the Deep Dive.