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Legal and Parental Rights when Home Educating · Home Education Matters

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Welcome
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to
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Home
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Education
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Matters,
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the
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weekly
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podcast
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supporting
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you
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on
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your
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home
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education
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journey.
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Hello
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and
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welcome
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to
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another
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episode
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of
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Home
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Education
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Matters.
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And
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today's
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episode
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is
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talking
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about
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parents
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rights
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when
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it
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comes
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to
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home
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education.
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And
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I'm
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really
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pleased
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to
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be
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joined
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by
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Wendy
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Charles
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Warner,
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who
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is
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the
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patron
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of
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Education
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Otherwise.
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And
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Wendy,
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thank
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you
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so
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much
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for
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joining
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me
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on
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the
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podcast
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today.
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Perhaps
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to
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start
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off
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you
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could
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tell
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our
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listeners
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just
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a
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little
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bit
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about
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you
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and
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your
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home
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education
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journey.
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Oh
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goodness
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me,
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yes.
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I
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first
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came
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to
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home
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education
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in
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the
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early
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1980s
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when
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my
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then
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little
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girl
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said
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to
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me,
1:03
mommy,
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please
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don't
1:04
ever
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make
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me
1:05
go
1:05
to
1:05
school
1:05
again.
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And
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I
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said,
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okay
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sweetheart.
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And
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underneath
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I
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was
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like
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the
1:10
proverbial
1:10
duck.
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Panic,
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panic,
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panic.
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Is
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this
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even
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legal?
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I
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was
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a
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legal
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professional
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and
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I
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did
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not
1:17
know
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and
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so
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I
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rushed
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off
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to
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my
1:19
law
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books,
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found
1:20
the
1:20
act,
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found
1:21
it
1:21
was
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legal
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and
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thought
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okay
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then
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there
1:24
was
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a
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reason
1:25
behind
1:26
it.
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But
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she'd
1:30
been
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in
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a
1:30
lovely
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little
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independent
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school
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which
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had
1:33
closed
1:34
and
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we
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couldn't
1:35
find
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another
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place
1:36
for
1:37
her
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and
1:37
I
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didn't
1:38
know
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that
1:38
there
1:38
was
1:39
another
1:39
option
1:40
and
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the
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only
1:41
place
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available
1:42
was
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in
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a
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huge
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state
1:44
school
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with
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significant
1:47
difficulties
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and
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she
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lasted
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10
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days
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of
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being
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attacked,
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physically
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assaulted
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and
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various
1:55
other
1:55
things.
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And
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that
1:56
little
1:57
girl
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is
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now
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a
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very
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high
1:58
flying
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professional
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woman,
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really
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quite
2:03
high
2:03
up
2:03
her
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particular
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professional
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tree.
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And
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my
2:07
I've
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home
2:08
educated
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children,
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I've
2:10
home
2:10
educated
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my
2:11
grandchildren
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and
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I'm
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currently
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doing
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A
2:16
levels
2:16
with
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another
2:17
grandchild
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which
2:20
is
2:21
quite
2:21
daunting.
2:21
I've
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taken
2:23
children
2:23
all
2:23
the
2:24
way
2:24
through
2:24
to
2:25
degree
2:25
level
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but
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I've
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never
2:27
done
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A
2:27
levels
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with
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any
2:28
child
2:28
so
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the
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A
2:29
levels
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are
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more
2:30
daunting
2:30
than
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the
2:31
degree
2:31
was.
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But
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I
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joined
2:35
education
2:35
otherwise
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as
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a
2:37
member
2:37
many,
2:38
many
2:38
years
2:38
ago,
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but
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never
2:40
ever
2:40
as
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a
2:41
trustee
2:42
until
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the
2:43
opportunity
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was
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given
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to
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me
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some
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years
2:46
ago
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to
2:47
actually
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make
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a
2:49
difference.
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And
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I
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joined
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as
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a
2:50
trustee.
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I
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was
2:51
the
2:52
chair
2:52
for
2:52
several
2:52
years
2:53
until
2:53
handing
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on
2:54
last
2:55
month
2:55
to
2:55
someone
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younger
2:56
and
2:57
fitter
2:57
than
2:57
me.
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And
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it's
2:59
very,
3:00
very
3:00
important
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to
3:01
me
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that
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we
3:02
all
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recognise
3:04
that
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we
3:05
need
3:05
to
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work
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together
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in
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the
3:08
best
3:08
interests
3:09
of
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the
3:09
child.
3:10
My
3:10
ethos
3:11
has
3:11
always
3:11
been
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I
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am
3:12
never
3:12
going
3:13
to
3:13
be
3:13
a
3:13
wall,
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I
3:14
am
3:14
always
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going
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to
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be
3:15
a
3:15
bridge.
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I
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and
3:17
a
3:17
bridge
3:18
which
3:19
is
3:20
there
3:21
sometimes
3:21
it's
3:22
a
3:22
bridge
3:22
over
3:22
troubled
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waters,
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to
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quote
3:25
the
3:25
old
3:25
song,
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where
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there
3:27
is
3:27
a
3:27
problem
3:28
between
3:28
a
3:28
parent
3:29
and
3:29
a
3:29
local
3:29
authority,
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very
3:31
often
3:31
it
3:31
comes
3:31
down
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to
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misunderstanding
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and
3:34
if
3:34
you
3:35
become
3:35
confrontational
3:36
that
3:37
misunderstanding
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can
3:38
become
3:39
worse.
3:39
Whereas
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if
3:40
you
3:40
act
3:40
as
3:40
a
3:40
bridge
3:41
and
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liaise
3:42
and
3:42
talk
3:43
and
3:43
Try
3:43
and
3:44
find
3:44
out
3:44
where
3:44
the
3:45
problem
3:45
lies.
3:46
Very
3:46
often
3:46
you
3:47
can
3:47
resolve
3:47
it
3:48
for
3:48
the
3:49
parent,
3:49
and
3:50
the
3:50
parent
3:52
and
3:53
the
3:53
child
3:53
are
3:53
better
3:53
off
3:54
for
3:54
that.
3:54
So,
3:55
as
3:55
I
3:55
say,
3:55
to
3:56
me,
3:56
we
3:56
should
3:56
be
3:57
bridges,
3:57
not
3:58
walls.
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And
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that's
4:00
how
4:01
Education
4:02
Otherwise
4:02
operates.
4:03
Education
4:04
Otherwise,
4:04
for
4:05
those
4:05
who
4:05
don't
4:05
know,
4:06
is
4:06
the
4:06
home
4:07
education
4:08
charity.
4:09
It
4:09
was
4:09
founded
4:10
in
4:10
1976.
4:12
It's
4:12
our
4:12
50th
4:13
anniversary
4:14
next
4:14
year,
4:14
and
4:15
we're
4:15
to
4:15
have
4:15
a
4:16
lovely
4:16
event.
4:17
We've
4:17
got
4:18
all
4:18
sorts
4:18
of
4:18
things
4:18
going
4:19
on
4:19
at
4:19
the
4:19
event,
4:20
including
4:21
Big
4:21
Wheels,
4:22
carousels,
4:23
all
4:23
sorts
4:23
of
4:24
things.
4:24
And
4:24
we're
4:25
really
4:25
excited
4:26
about
4:26
that.
4:27
Yes,
4:27
because
4:28
I
4:28
know
4:28
that
4:28
early
4:29
on,
4:29
like,
4:29
very
4:30
early
4:30
on,
4:30
Education
4:31
Otherwise
4:32
was
4:32
about
4:32
the
4:32
only
4:32
thing
4:33
around.
4:33
And
4:33
didn't.
4:34
Didn't
4:34
they
4:34
used
4:34
to
4:34
send
4:34
out
4:35
newsletters
4:35
or
4:35
something
4:36
like.
4:36
Like
4:36
by
4:36
post
4:37
once
4:37
a
4:37
week
4:37
or
4:37
something?
4:38
Yes,
4:39
yes,
4:39
the
4:39
charity
4:40
used
4:40
to
4:40
send
4:40
out
4:40
regular
4:41
newsletters.
4:42
Members
4:42
can
4:43
actually
4:43
access
4:44
virtually
4:45
all
4:45
of
4:45
our
4:45
old
4:46
newsletters
4:47
online
4:48
in
4:48
the
4:48
member
4:49
section.
4:50
We
4:50
put
4:50
them
4:51
online
4:51
last
4:51
year
4:52
and
4:53
I
4:54
actually
4:54
did
4:54
that,
4:55
and
4:55
going
4:55
through
4:56
them,
4:56
looking
4:56
to
4:57
check
4:57
there
4:57
was
4:57
nothing
4:58
in
4:58
them.
4:59
I
4:59
had
4:59
to
4:59
read
4:59
every
5:00
newsletter
5:01
to
5:01
check
5:01
there
5:02
was
5:02
nothing
5:02
in
5:02
them
5:02
that
5:03
caused
5:03
difficulties
5:04
for
5:04
anyone.
5:05
And
5:06
it
5:07
was
5:07
quite
5:07
an
5:07
experience.
5:09
And
5:10
you
5:11
can
5:11
also
5:11
find
5:12
more
5:12
about
5:12
our
5:12
history.
5:13
We.
5:14
We
5:14
have
5:14
a
5:14
book,
5:15
50
5:15
Years
5:15
of
5:16
Education
5:17
Otherwise,
5:18
which
5:18
covers
5:18
the
5:19
history
5:19
of
5:20
the
5:20
development
5:20
of
5:21
home
5:21
education
5:22
from
5:23
the
5:24
very
5:24
start,
5:26
cavemen
5:27
and
5:27
women
5:28
and
5:28
their
5:28
children,
5:29
right
5:30
through
5:30
to
5:31
late
5:31
last
5:31
year
5:32
when
5:32
it
5:32
was
5:32
published.
5:33
So,
5:33
yes,
5:34
a
5:34
lot
5:34
of
5:34
things.
5:35
We've
5:35
been
5:35
around
5:35
a
5:36
long
5:36
time.
5:37
Yeah,
5:37
it's
5:37
really
5:38
interesting.
5:38
Part
5:38
of
5:38
me
5:39
desperately
5:39
wants
5:39
to
5:40
ask
5:40
you,
5:40
like,
5:41
what
5:42
big
5:42
changes
5:42
you've
5:43
noticed,
5:43
but
5:43
I'm
5:43
really
5:44
aware
5:44
that
5:44
I
5:45
have
5:45
a
5:45
terrible
5:45
habit
5:46
of
5:46
going
5:46
off
5:46
on
5:46
Segways
5:47
on
5:47
podcasts,
5:47
so
5:47
I'm
5:48
going
5:48
to
5:48
attempt
5:48
to
5:48
stay
5:49
true
5:49
to
5:49
our
5:50
subject.
5:50
So
5:50
let's.
5:51
Let's
5:51
talk.
5:51
You
5:51
mentioned
5:52
about
5:52
your
5:52
legal
5:52
background.
5:53
Let's
5:53
talk
5:53
about
5:54
the
5:54
actual
5:54
law
5:55
when
5:55
it
5:55
comes
5:55
to
5:56
home
5:56
education
5:56
first.
5:56
And
5:57
before
5:57
we
5:57
talk
5:57
about
5:57
rights,
5:57
let's
5:58
talk
5:58
about.
5:58
Although
5:58
I'm
5:59
guessing
5:59
when
5:59
you're
5:59
talking
5:59
about
5:59
rights,
6:00
you're
6:00
kind
6:00
of
6:00
talking
6:00
about
6:01
legal
6:01
rights
6:01
as
6:01
well.
6:01
But
6:02
let's
6:02
talk
6:02
about
6:02
the
6:02
law,
6:03
because
6:03
so
6:03
many
6:04
of
6:04
us,
6:04
when
6:04
our
6:04
children
6:05
get
6:05
a
6:05
little
6:05
bit
6:05
older,
6:06
when
6:06
they're
6:07
young,
6:07
people
6:07
just
6:07
assume
6:08
they're
6:08
maybe,
6:08
you
6:09
know,
6:09
below
6:09
school
6:09
age
6:09
or
6:10
whatever.
6:10
But
6:10
I
6:10
know
6:10
that
6:10
it
6:11
hits
6:11
an
6:11
age
6:11
when
6:11
they're
6:12
about
6:12
7
6:12
or
6:12
8,
6:12
where
6:13
you
6:13
start
6:13
getting
6:13
the.
6:13
Is
6:14
that
6:14
even
6:14
legal?
6:14
Like,
6:15
can
6:15
you
6:15
actually
6:15
even
6:15
do
6:15
that?
6:16
And
6:16
I
6:16
think
6:16
since
6:17
COVID
6:17
there's
6:17
a
6:17
lot
6:18
less
6:18
of
6:18
that,
6:18
which
6:19
is
6:19
a
6:19
Bit
6:19
of
6:19
a
6:19
bonus,
6:20
but
6:21
even
6:21
so,
6:21
you
6:22
still
6:22
do
6:22
get
6:22
that
6:22
question
6:23
sometimes.
6:23
So
6:23
what
6:23
is
6:24
the
6:24
law
6:24
when
6:24
it
6:24
comes
6:24
to
6:25
home
6:25
education?
6:26
Okay,
6:27
well,
6:27
there
6:27
are
6:27
various
6:28
aspects
6:28
of
6:29
law,
6:29
and
6:29
law
6:29
isn't
6:30
just
6:30
legislation.
6:31
Quite
6:32
often
6:32
people
6:33
don't
6:33
appreciate
6:34
that
6:35
the
6:35
law
6:35
is
6:35
made
6:35
up
6:36
of
6:36
legislation,
6:37
regulation,
6:39
statutory
6:40
guidance
6:40
and
6:41
legal
6:41
precedent.
6:42
Legal
6:42
precedent
6:43
you
6:43
might
6:43
know
6:43
as
6:44
case
6:44
law.
6:45
But
6:45
basically
6:45
what
6:46
it
6:46
comes
6:46
down
6:47
to
6:47
is
6:48
home
6:48
education
6:48
has
6:49
always
6:49
been
6:50
legal
6:50
in
6:50
this
6:51
country,
6:52
save
6:52
for
6:52
a
6:52
tiny
6:53
period
6:54
starting
6:55
in
6:55
1918.
6:56
In
6:57
1944,
6:58
the
6:58
Education
6:59
Act,
6:59
Section
7:01
7
7:02
arrived.
7:03
37
7:04
was
7:04
part
7:04
of
7:04
it.
7:05
We
7:05
now
7:05
have
7:06
the
7:06
Education
7:06
Act
7:07
1996.
7:08
And
7:09
what
7:09
Section
7:09
7
7:10
of
7:10
that
7:10
act
7:11
says
7:11
is
7:12
that
7:12
it's
7:13
the
7:13
duty
7:13
of
7:14
the
7:14
parent
7:14
to
7:15
ensure
7:15
that
7:15
the
7:16
child
7:16
receives
7:16
a
7:17
suitable
7:17
education,
7:18
whether
7:19
at
7:20
school
7:20
or
7:21
otherwise.
7:22
Now,
7:22
that
7:23
otherwise
7:24
is
7:24
what
7:24
makes
7:25
home
7:25
education
7:26
legal.
7:28
So
7:28
in
7:28
other
7:28
words,
7:29
the
7:29
parent
7:30
can
7:30
elect
7:31
to
7:31
send
7:31
their
7:31
child
7:32
to
7:32
school
7:32
to
7:33
discharge
7:33
their
7:33
duty,
7:34
or
7:35
they
7:35
can
7:36
choose
7:36
not
7:37
to
7:37
do
7:37
so
7:38
and
7:38
do
7:38
it
7:39
by
7:39
other
7:39
means.
7:40
And
7:41
otherwise
7:42
can
7:42
mean
7:42
home
7:43
education.
7:44
It
7:44
can
7:45
mean
7:45
you're
7:45
still
7:46
legally
7:46
home
7:47
educated.
7:47
If
7:47
you
7:47
use
7:48
a
7:48
tutoring
7:49
company,
7:49
you
7:50
could
7:50
use
7:50
online
7:51
education,
7:52
you're
7:52
still
7:53
legally
7:53
home
7:53
educating.
7:55
So
7:55
that's
7:55
what
7:55
makes
7:56
it
7:56
legal.
7:57
Now,
7:57
people
7:58
will
7:58
often
7:58
say,
7:59
it's
7:59
my
8:00
absolute
8:01
right
8:01
to
8:01
home
8:01
educate.
8:02
And
8:02
the
8:02
law
8:03
doesn't
8:03
quite
8:03
say
8:03
that,
8:04
and
8:04
we'll
8:04
come
8:04
to
8:04
that
8:05
shortly.
8:06
Now,
8:07
it's
8:08
always
8:09
the
8:09
duty
8:09
of
8:09
the
8:10
parent
8:10
to
8:11
ensure
8:11
that
8:12
the
8:12
education
8:12
is
8:13
suitable.
8:15
And
8:15
it
8:15
is
8:15
the
8:16
parent's
8:16
duty,
8:17
regardless
8:17
of
8:17
whether
8:18
they
8:18
send
8:18
the
8:18
child
8:18
to
8:19
school.
8:19
In
8:20
theory,
8:20
parent
8:21
could
8:21
actually
8:21
be
8:22
sued
8:22
by
8:22
their
8:23
child
8:23
once
8:23
they
8:24
become
8:24
an
8:24
adult
8:24
for
8:25
sending
8:25
them
8:25
to
8:25
a
8:25
failing
8:26
school.
8:27
Doesn't
8:27
happen,
8:27
but
8:28
in
8:28
theory
8:28
it
8:28
could.
8:30
But
8:31
the
8:31
local
8:32
authority
8:33
has
8:34
some
8:35
duty
8:35
of
8:36
oversight.
8:37
Now,
8:37
that
8:38
comes
8:38
from.
8:39
Originally
8:40
it
8:40
came
8:40
from
8:41
legal
8:41
precedent,
8:42
which
8:42
was
8:43
a
8:44
case
8:44
called
8:44
Phillips
8:45
vs.
8:45
Brown
8:45
in
8:46
1980.
8:47
Now,
8:48
the
8:49
local
8:49
authority
8:50
has
8:50
to
8:51
act
8:51
if
8:52
it
8:52
appears
8:52
that
8:53
the
8:53
education
8:54
is
8:54
not
8:54
suitable.
8:55
And
8:55
that's
8:56
The
8:56
Education
8:56
Act
8:57
1996,
8:57
section
8:57
437,
8:58
438
8:58
and
8:58
439
9:01
are
9:01
associated,
9:02
but
9:02
it's
9:02
basically
9:03
section
9:03
437.
9:05
If
9:05
it
9:05
appears
9:05
to
9:06
the
9:06
local
9:06
authority
9:07
that
9:07
the
9:07
education
9:07
is
9:08
not
9:08
suitable,
9:09
it
9:09
should
9:09
serve
9:10
a
9:10
formal
9:10
notice
9:11
on
9:11
the
9:11
parent
9:12
to
9:12
satisfy
9:13
it
9:14
that
9:14
the
9:14
education
9:15
is
9:15
suitable.
9:17
Now,
9:18
that
9:18
doesn't
9:18
mean
9:18
to
9:19
say
9:19
that
9:19
the
9:19
local
9:19
authority
9:20
has
9:21
a
9:21
duty
9:21
to
9:22
ensure
9:22
that
9:23
the
9:23
education
9:23
is
9:24
suitable.
9:24
And
9:25
guidance
9:25
often
9:25
uses
9:26
that
9:26
word
9:27
incorrectly.
9:28
It's
9:29
the
9:29
parent's
9:30
duty
9:30
to
9:30
ensure.
9:31
But
9:31
what
9:31
it
9:32
does
9:32
mean
9:32
is
9:33
that
9:33
the
9:34
local
9:34
authority
9:35
has
9:35
a
9:35
right
9:35
to
9:36
ask.
9:37
Now,
9:38
people
9:38
used
9:39
to
9:39
believe
9:39
prior
9:40
to
9:40
1980
9:41
that
9:41
the
9:41
local
9:41
authority
9:42
could
9:42
only
9:43
ask
9:43
about
9:43
education
9:45
if
9:47
they
9:47
already
9:48
felt
9:48
that
9:49
it
9:49
may
9:49
not
9:49
be
9:49
suitable.
9:50
But
9:51
what
9:51
the
9:52
judge
9:52
in
9:52
that
9:52
case,
9:53
Lord
9:53
Donaldson,
9:54
found
9:54
was
9:55
if
9:55
you
9:56
have
9:56
to
9:56
act,
9:56
if
9:57
the
9:57
education
9:57
is
9:57
not
9:58
suitable,
9:59
then
9:59
you
9:59
need
9:59
to
10:00
be
10:00
aware
10:00
of
10:00
whether
10:00
or
10:01
not
10:01
it
10:01
is.
10:01
And
10:02
therefore
10:03
the
10:03
local
10:03
authority
10:04
has
10:04
a
10:04
right
10:04
to
10:05
act.
10:05
And
10:06
that
10:06
is
10:06
an
10:06
informal
10:07
inquiry.
10:09
Now,
10:10
it's
10:11
split
10:11
into
10:11
two
10:12
sections
10:13
and
10:14
this
10:14
is
10:14
somewhere
10:15
where
10:15
some
10:15
of
10:15
the
10:15
worst
10:16
local
10:16
authorities
10:17
there
10:17
are
10:17
a
10:18
few,
10:18
there
10:18
are
10:18
not
10:18
many,
10:19
but
10:19
there
10:19
are
10:19
a
10:19
few
10:19
that
10:20
don't
10:20
get
10:21
things
10:21
right.
10:22
And
10:22
they
10:22
treat
10:23
all
10:23
inquiries
10:24
as
10:24
formal
10:25
inquiries.
10:25
But
10:25
that
10:26
is
10:26
not
10:26
legally
10:27
correct.
10:28
So
10:28
an
10:28
initial
10:28
inquiry
10:29
is
10:29
informal.
10:30
There
10:31
is
10:31
no
10:31
duty
10:32
whatsoever
10:33
on
10:33
the
10:33
parent
10:34
to
10:34
respond
10:34
to
10:35
that
10:35
inquiry.
10:36
But
10:37
if
10:37
they
10:37
do
10:37
not
10:37
do
10:38
so,
10:38
and
10:38
this
10:38
is
10:38
the
10:39
same
10:39
case,
10:39
Phillips
10:40
vs.
10:40
Brown,
10:41
if
10:41
they
10:41
give
10:42
no
10:42
reply
10:43
or
10:43
they
10:43
just
10:44
say,
10:44
yep,
10:45
everything's
10:45
okay
10:46
here,
10:47
then
10:47
the
10:47
local
10:48
authority
10:48
is
10:48
allowed
10:49
to
10:49
assume
10:49
that
10:49
the
10:50
education
10:50
is
10:51
not
10:51
suitable
10:51
and
10:51
move
10:52
to
10:52
formal
10:53
status.
10:54
If
10:55
the
10:55
parent
10:56
replies,
10:57
they
10:57
can
10:57
do
10:58
it
10:58
by
10:59
meeting
10:59
the
10:59
local
10:59
authority,
11:00
having
11:00
a
11:00
phone
11:01
call,
11:01
sending
11:02
in
11:02
a
11:02
report,
11:03
interpretive
11:04
dance,
11:04
whatever
11:05
works
11:05
for
11:06
them.
11:06
And
11:06
the
11:07
local
11:07
authority
11:08
has
11:08
to
11:09
properly
11:09
and
11:10
reasonably
11:10
consider
11:11
that
11:11
information
11:13
and
11:13
act
11:14
only
11:15
if
11:16
it
11:16
appears
11:17
after
11:18
considering
11:19
that
11:19
information
11:19
that
11:20
the
11:20
education
11:20
is
11:21
not
11:21
suitable.
11:22
So
11:23
you
11:23
then
11:24
move
11:24
on
11:24
a
11:24
step.
11:24
That's
11:25
informal
11:25
inquiries.
11:27
If
11:27
the
11:27
local
11:27
authority
11:28
gets
11:28
to
11:29
the
11:29
point
11:30
where
11:30
it
11:30
thinks
11:31
that
11:31
the
11:32
education
11:33
may
11:33
not
11:34
be
11:34
suitable,
11:35
that
11:36
is
11:36
the
11:36
point
11:36
where
11:36
it
11:37
serves
11:37
a
11:37
notice
11:38
under
11:38
section
11:38
437
11:39
of
11:40
the
11:40
Act.
11:40
And
11:41
that's
11:41
colloquially
11:42
known
11:42
as
11:42
a
11:42
notice
11:43
to
11:43
satisfy.
11:44
And
11:44
the
11:44
reason
11:45
for
11:45
that
11:45
is
11:46
once
11:46
that
11:47
notice
11:47
is
11:47
served,
11:49
then
11:49
things
11:49
go
11:50
a
11:50
little
11:50
bit
11:50
about
11:51
turn.
11:51
That
11:53
makes
11:53
it
11:54
the
11:54
duty
11:55
of
11:55
the
11:56
parent
11:57
to
11:57
satisfy
11:58
the
11:58
local
11:58
authority
11:59
that
12:00
the
12:00
education
12:00
is
12:01
not
12:01
suitable.
12:02
If
12:03
the
12:03
parent
12:03
provides
12:04
information
12:04
that
12:05
satisfies
12:05
the
12:06
local
12:06
authority,
12:07
that's
12:07
the
12:07
end
12:08
of
12:08
the
12:08
matter.
12:09
If
12:09
the
12:09
parent
12:10
doesn't,
12:11
then
12:11
the
12:11
local
12:12
authority
12:12
can
12:13
move
12:13
on
12:13
to
12:13
serving
12:14
a
12:14
school
12:14
attendance
12:15
order.
12:17
If
12:17
you'd
12:17
like
12:18
me
12:18
to
12:18
cover
12:18
what
12:18
happens
12:19
next,
12:19
I
12:20
can
12:20
do
12:20
so.
12:21
If
12:22
a
12:22
school
12:22
attendance
12:23
order
12:23
is
12:23
served,
12:24
that
12:24
does
12:25
not
12:25
force
12:26
a
12:26
child
12:26
into
12:26
school,
12:28
it
12:29
orders
12:30
the
12:30
parent
12:31
to
12:31
register
12:32
the
12:32
child
12:32
in
12:33
a
12:33
school.
12:34
Nobody
12:34
else
12:34
can
12:35
register
12:35
the
12:35
child
12:36
in
12:36
a
12:36
school
12:38
except
12:38
where
12:38
there
12:38
is
12:39
a
12:40
care
12:40
order.
12:40
The
12:41
local
12:41
authority
12:42
has
12:42
parental
12:42
responsibility,
12:44
and
12:45
those
12:45
are
12:45
rare
12:45
cases.
12:46
So
12:47
it
12:48
orders
12:48
the
12:48
parent
12:49
to
12:49
register
12:50
the
12:50
child
12:50
in
12:51
the
12:51
school.
12:52
If
12:52
the
12:52
parent
12:53
chooses
12:54
not
12:54
to
12:54
do
12:54
so,
12:55
the
12:55
local
12:56
authority
12:56
can
12:57
prosecute
12:58
the
12:58
parent.
12:59
And
12:59
they're
13:00
not
13:00
prosecuting
13:01
the
13:01
parent
13:02
for
13:03
not
13:03
providing
13:04
a
13:04
suitable
13:04
education,
13:05
they're
13:06
prosecuting
13:06
the
13:07
parent
13:08
for
13:08
failing
13:09
to
13:09
comply
13:10
with
13:10
the
13:10
school
13:10
attendance
13:11
Order.
13:12
And
13:12
if
13:12
you
13:12
want
13:12
the
13:13
act,
13:14
it's
13:14
section
13:14
443
13:15
of
13:16
the
13:16
Education
13:17
Act.
13:18
So
13:18
the
13:18
parent
13:19
is
13:19
then
13:19
taken
13:20
to
13:20
court.
13:21
And
13:22
peculiarly,
13:24
although
13:24
they're
13:24
being
13:25
prosecuted
13:26
for
13:26
non
13:26
compliance,
13:28
there
13:28
is
13:28
only
13:29
one
13:29
defence
13:30
for
13:30
the
13:30
parent
13:31
and
13:31
that
13:31
defence
13:32
is
13:32
that
13:32
the
13:33
education
13:33
is
13:33
suitable.
13:35
Now,
13:36
it
13:36
doesn't
13:37
quite
13:37
sit,
13:37
but
13:38
law
13:38
is
13:38
often
13:39
like
13:39
that.
13:39
Law
13:40
is
13:40
often
13:40
a
13:41
little
13:41
bit
13:41
quirky.
13:42
And
13:43
so
13:44
at
13:44
that
13:44
point
13:45
the
13:46
parent
13:46
can
13:47
give
13:47
information
13:48
to
13:48
the
13:48
court.
13:48
It's
13:49
usually
13:49
a
13:49
magistrate's
13:50
court.
13:51
They
13:51
can
13:51
persuade
13:52
the
13:52
court
13:52
that
13:53
the
13:53
education
13:54
actually
13:54
is
13:54
suitable.
13:56
And
13:56
if
13:56
they
13:56
succeed
13:57
in
13:57
doing
13:57
so,
13:58
then
13:59
that's
13:59
the
13:59
end
13:59
of
14:00
the
14:00
matter.
14:01
But
14:02
strangely,
14:04
there
14:04
is
14:04
no
14:05
requirement
14:05
on
14:06
the
14:06
court
14:06
to
14:06
dismiss
14:07
the
14:07
school
14:07
attendance
14:08
order
14:08
at
14:08
that
14:08
point.
14:09
And
14:09
there
14:09
should
14:09
be
14:10
because
14:10
the
14:11
parent
14:11
has
14:11
been
14:12
found
14:12
not
14:12
to
14:13
be
14:13
guilty.
14:14
But
14:14
there
14:14
isn't.
14:15
But
14:16
the
14:16
local
14:16
authority
14:17
cannot
14:17
act
14:18
on
14:18
it
14:19
because
14:19
the
14:19
parent
14:20
has
14:20
been
14:20
found
14:20
not
14:21
guilty.
14:22
So
14:23
if
14:23
that
14:23
happens,
14:25
then
14:25
if
14:25
the
14:26
local
14:26
authority
14:27
has
14:27
concerns
14:28
again
14:28
in
14:29
the
14:29
future,
14:29
they
14:29
have
14:30
to
14:30
start
14:30
at
14:30
the
14:30
beginning
14:31
with
14:31
informal
14:32
inquiries.
14:33
If
14:34
the
14:34
parent
14:34
is
14:35
found
14:35
guilty
14:36
of
14:36
failing
14:37
to
14:37
comply
14:37
with
14:37
the
14:37
school
14:38
attendance
14:38
order,
14:39
that
14:40
doesn't
14:40
make
14:41
the
14:41
child
14:41
go
14:41
to
14:42
school.
14:43
What
14:43
it
14:44
does
14:44
is
14:44
make
14:44
the
14:45
parent
14:45
subject
14:46
to
14:47
a
14:47
fine
14:48
as
14:48
the
14:48
punishment
14:49
possibly
14:49
cost.
14:50
They
14:50
might
14:50
be
14:51
ordered
14:51
to
14:51
pay
14:51
the
14:52
costs
14:52
of
14:52
the
14:53
prosecution
14:54
and
14:55
the
14:55
child
14:55
is
14:55
still
14:56
not
14:56
in
14:56
school.
14:57
So
14:57
what
14:57
happens?
14:58
The
14:59
local
14:59
authority
14:59
will
15:00
then
15:01
ask
15:01
for
15:02
information
15:02
and
15:03
start
15:03
from
15:03
the
15:03
beginning
15:04
again.
15:05
There
15:06
are
15:06
ways
15:06
that
15:06
the
15:07
local
15:07
authority
15:07
can
15:08
get
15:08
around
15:08
that.
15:09
For
15:09
example,
15:10
it
15:10
can
15:10
apply
15:11
for
15:11
a
15:11
parenting
15:12
order
15:13
against
15:13
the
15:13
parent
15:14
and
15:15
that
15:15
gives
15:15
the
15:15
local
15:15
authority
15:16
powers
15:17
because
15:17
they
15:18
can
15:18
ask
15:19
the
15:19
court
15:20
to
15:20
put
15:21
conditions
15:21
on
15:21
that
15:22
parenting
15:22
order
15:22
and
15:23
a
15:23
parenting
15:23
order
15:24
can
15:24
be
15:24
enforced.
15:26
So
15:26
if
15:26
the
15:26
parenting
15:27
order
15:27
says
15:27
the
15:28
child
15:28
must
15:28
go
15:28
to
15:29
school
15:29
and
15:29
the
15:29
parent
15:30
doesn't
15:30
do
15:30
it,
15:33
the
15:33
parents
15:34
could
15:34
be
15:34
taken
15:34
to
15:35
court
15:35
and
15:35
prosecuted
15:36
under
15:36
the
15:37
parenting
15:37
order
15:38
rather
15:38
than
15:38
the
15:38
education.
15:40
So
15:40
that's
15:40
how
15:41
the
15:41
law
15:41
works.
15:43
Okay,
15:43
so
15:44
that
15:44
runs
15:44
us
15:45
all
15:45
the
15:45
way
15:45
through
15:46
from
15:47
sort
15:47
of
15:47
informal
15:48
inquiries
15:48
right
15:48
at
15:49
the
15:49
start
15:49
through
15:49
to
15:50
a
15:50
possible
15:50
parent
15:51
order
15:51
right
15:52
at
15:52
the
15:52
very,
15:52
very
15:52
end.
15:54
It
15:54
sounds
15:54
to
15:55
me
15:55
like
15:55
there's
15:56
many
15:56
opportunities
15:56
within
15:57
that
15:57
process
15:58
to
15:59
sort
15:59
of
15:59
pull
16:00
back
16:00
or
16:00
to
16:01
kind
16:01
of
16:01
slow
16:02
the
16:02
process
16:02
down
16:02
or
16:02
even
16:03
get
16:03
out
16:03
of
16:03
the
16:03
process.
16:04
What
16:04
is
16:04
the
16:04
kind
16:05
of
16:05
timescale
16:05
of
16:05
that
16:06
process?
16:06
I
16:06
don't
16:06
know
16:06
much
16:07
about
16:07
the
16:07
legal
16:07
system.
16:07
Are
16:08
we
16:08
talking
16:08
about
16:09
months?
16:09
Years?
16:11
How
16:11
long
16:12
is
16:12
a
16:12
piece
16:12
of
16:12
string
16:13
is
16:13
the
16:14
answer
16:14
really?
16:15
It
16:15
depends
16:16
on
16:16
where
16:16
you
16:16
live.
16:18
There
16:18
is
16:19
a
16:19
time
16:19
scale
16:20
for
16:20
certain
16:20
aspects
16:22
and
16:22
then
16:22
there
16:22
is
16:23
what
16:23
is
16:23
known
16:23
as
16:24
reasonable
16:24
and
16:24
proportionate.
16:25
It
16:26
isn't
16:26
reasonable
16:27
and
16:27
proportionate
16:28
to
16:28
make
16:29
an
16:29
informal
16:29
inquiry
16:30
of
16:30
a
16:30
parent
16:31
and
16:31
ask
16:31
for
16:31
response
16:32
the
16:32
next
16:33
day.
16:34
But
16:34
it's
16:35
generally
16:35
accepted
16:36
that
16:36
two
16:36
to
16:37
three
16:37
weeks
16:37
for
16:37
a
16:38
response
16:38
is
16:38
reasonable.
16:40
So
16:40
you've
16:40
got
16:40
that
16:40
period.
16:42
Then
16:43
if
16:43
the
16:44
parent
16:44
hasn't
16:44
given
16:45
information,
16:45
there
16:46
is
16:46
legal
16:46
precedent
16:47
that
16:47
says
16:48
that
16:48
the
16:48
local
16:48
authority
16:49
should
16:50
provide
16:50
information
16:51
to
16:51
the
16:51
parent
16:52
about
16:52
what
16:53
their
16:53
concerns
16:54
are
16:54
and
16:55
give
16:55
the
16:55
parent
16:56
opportunity
16:56
to
16:57
respond.
16:58
So
16:58
that
16:58
generally
16:59
takes
16:59
another
16:59
two
17:00
or
17:00
three
17:00
weeks
17:00
to
17:01
deal
17:01
with
17:01
that.
17:02
So
17:02
if
17:03
we
17:03
take
17:03
a
17:03
case
17:03
of
17:03
a
17:04
parent
17:04
who
17:04
makes
17:04
no
17:05
response
17:05
whatsoever,
17:07
that's
17:07
the
17:07
quickest
17:07
case.
17:09
So
17:09
the
17:09
local
17:09
authority
17:10
would
17:11
ask
17:11
informally.
17:12
No
17:12
response.
17:13
About
17:14
three
17:14
weeks
17:14
later
17:15
they
17:15
will
17:16
ask
17:16
again.
17:17
No
17:17
response.
17:18
Two
17:19
to
17:19
three
17:19
weeks
17:19
later
17:20
they
17:20
will
17:20
serve
17:21
a
17:21
Section
17:21
437
17:22
notice.
17:23
And
17:23
that
17:24
actually
17:24
has
17:24
a
17:25
statutory
17:25
15
17:26
day
17:26
response
17:27
time.
17:28
Now,
17:28
15
17:28
days
17:29
doesn't
17:29
mean
17:29
15
17:30
days
17:30
in
17:30
law,
17:31
it
17:31
means
17:31
16
17:32
because
17:33
you
17:33
have
17:33
to
17:33
allow
17:33
a
17:34
day
17:34
for
17:34
postage.
17:35
Traditionally
17:36
it's
17:36
common
17:37
to
17:37
that.
17:38
So
17:38
on
17:39
the
17:39
16th
17:40
day
17:40
the
17:40
local
17:40
authority
17:41
could
17:41
serve
17:42
the
17:42
notice
17:43
to
17:43
the
17:43
parent
17:44
to
17:45
select
17:45
a
17:45
school
17:46
failing
17:47
which
17:47
the
17:47
local
17:47
authority
17:48
will
17:49
nominate
17:49
asep
17:50
school.
17:51
So
17:52
if
17:53
that
17:53
isn't
17:54
responded
17:55
to
17:55
usually
17:55
within
17:56
a
17:56
couple
17:56
of
17:56
weeks,
17:57
a
17:58
school
17:58
attendance
17:59
order
17:59
is
18:00
served
18:01
usually
18:02
within
18:02
two
18:02
to
18:03
three
18:03
weeks.
18:03
If
18:03
that's
18:04
not
18:04
being
18:04
responded
18:05
to,
18:05
a
18:06
very
18:06
rapid
18:06
local
18:07
authority
18:08
will
18:08
then
18:08
serve
18:09
school
18:09
attendance
18:10
order.
18:11
Then
18:12
they
18:12
have
18:12
to
18:13
give
18:13
the
18:13
parent
18:14
time
18:14
to
18:14
comply
18:15
with
18:15
that.
18:15
So
18:15
that's
18:16
another
18:16
couple
18:16
of
18:16
weeks,
18:17
then
18:18
they
18:18
have
18:18
to
18:18
prosecute.
18:19
And
18:20
then
18:20
so
18:21
even
18:21
if
18:21
the
18:21
local
18:21
authority
18:22
did
18:22
everything
18:22
as
18:23
rapidly
18:23
as
18:23
possible,
18:24
you're
18:24
talking
18:24
thereabout
18:26
about
18:27
around
18:27
the
18:28
three
18:28
month
18:28
mark,
18:29
you
18:29
get
18:29
to
18:30
that
18:30
mark,
18:31
you
18:31
file
18:31
the
18:31
papers
18:32
in
18:32
the
18:32
court.
18:33
And
18:34
I'm
18:34
aware
18:34
of
18:35
a
18:35
court
18:35
hearing
18:36
that's
18:36
taking
18:36
place
18:36
this
18:37
week
18:37
where
18:37
the
18:37
papers
18:38
were
18:38
filed
18:38
just
18:39
over
18:39
a
18:39
year
18:39
ago.
18:40
I'm
18:41
aware
18:41
of
18:41
cases
18:42
that
18:42
have
18:42
been
18:43
two
18:43
years
18:43
later
18:44
and
18:44
I'm
18:45
also
18:45
aware
18:46
of
18:46
hearings
18:46
that
18:47
have
18:47
been
18:47
set
18:47
within
18:48
a
18:48
fortnight.
18:49
So
18:50
it
18:50
can
18:50
be
18:51
any
18:51
length
18:51
of
18:52
time
18:53
and
18:53
it's
18:54
not
18:54
unusual
18:55
for
18:55
it
18:55
to
18:55
be
18:55
a
18:55
long
18:56
time.
18:57
The
18:58
first
18:58
hearing
18:58
in
18:59
court
18:59
is
18:59
a
18:59
hearing
19:00
for
19:00
plea
19:01
which
19:01
the
19:02
parent
19:02
will
19:02
plead
19:03
guilty
19:03
or
19:04
not
19:04
guilty.
19:04
If
19:04
the
19:05
parent
19:05
pleads
19:05
not
19:06
guilty,
19:07
the
19:07
case
19:07
will
19:08
go
19:08
to
19:08
trial.
19:09
And
19:09
that's
19:10
the
19:10
trial
19:10
is
19:11
the
19:11
delay
19:11
period.
19:12
The
19:13
courts
19:13
are
19:13
often
19:14
very
19:15
backed
19:15
up
19:16
and
19:17
it's
19:17
been
19:18
an
19:18
increasing
19:19
problem
19:19
since
19:20
COVID
19:21
courts
19:21
being
19:21
heavily
19:22
backed
19:22
up
19:23
and
19:23
hearings
19:23
being
19:24
delayed
19:24
a
19:24
long
19:25
time.
19:26
But
19:26
I'd
19:27
like
19:27
to
19:27
be
19:27
really,
19:27
really
19:28
clear
19:28
here.
19:29
Nationally,
19:30
when
19:31
I
19:31
surveyed,
19:32
only
19:33
2.25%
19:34
of
19:35
parents
19:35
actually
19:36
ever
19:36
end
19:36
up
19:36
with
19:37
school
19:37
attendance
19:38
orders.
19:39
Most
19:39
of
19:39
those
19:40
cases
19:40
never
19:41
go
19:41
to
19:41
court.
19:43
If
19:44
you
19:44
take
19:44
out
19:45
one
19:45
particular
19:46
local
19:46
authority
19:47
whose
19:48
practice
19:48
is,
19:50
shall
19:50
we
19:50
say,
19:50
frowned
19:51
upon,
19:52
it
19:52
drops
19:52
down
19:53
to
19:53
1.9%.
19:55
So
19:55
only
19:55
1.9%
19:57
of
19:57
home
19:57
educating
19:58
parents
19:59
will
19:59
on
20:00
average
20:00
receive
20:01
a
20:01
school
20:01
attendance
20:02
order.
20:03
Now,
20:04
looking
20:04
at
20:05
the
20:05
normal
20:06
curve
20:06
of
20:06
distribution,
20:08
by
20:08
far
20:08
the
20:08
majority
20:09
of
20:09
people
20:09
fall
20:10
in
20:10
the
20:10
middle.
20:10
You
20:10
get
20:10
some
20:11
excellent
20:11
and
20:11
you
20:11
get
20:12
those
20:12
that
20:12
1
20:13
or
20:13
2%
20:13
at
20:14
the
20:14
very
20:14
bottom.
20:15
So
20:15
that
20:15
figure
20:16
actually
20:17
sits
20:17
well
20:17
with
20:18
normal
20:19
statistical
20:20
distribution
20:21
and
20:21
is
20:21
to
20:22
be
20:22
expected.
20:23
Of
20:24
those
20:24
cases
20:24
that
20:25
are
20:25
taken
20:25
to
20:26
court,
20:27
60%
20:28
of
20:28
cases
20:28
are
20:29
found
20:29
in
20:29
favour
20:30
of
20:30
the
20:30
parent.
20:31
Now
20:31
the
20:32
main
20:32
reason
20:32
for
20:32
that
20:33
is
20:33
very
20:34
often
20:36
cases
20:36
taken
20:36
to
20:37
court
20:37
are
20:37
taken
20:38
by
20:39
one
20:39
or
20:40
two
20:40
local
20:41
authorities
20:41
that
20:42
do
20:42
so
20:42
on,
20:43
shall
20:43
we
20:44
say,
20:44
tenuous
20:45
grounds.
20:46
But
20:47
those
20:47
cases
20:48
where
20:48
the
20:48
parent
20:49
hasn't
20:49
previously
20:50
provided
20:50
information
20:52
and
20:52
they
20:52
provide
20:52
information
20:53
at
20:53
the
20:53
court
20:54
are
20:54
often
20:54
found
20:55
in
20:55
the
20:55
parent's
20:56
favour
20:56
because
20:57
the
20:57
problem
20:57
was
20:57
the
20:58
lack
20:58
of
20:58
information.
20:59
So
21:00
that's
21:01
how
21:01
it
21:01
works.
21:02
So
21:03
you're
21:03
saying
21:03
that
21:04
just
21:04
to
21:04
be
21:04
clear,
21:04
you're
21:05
saying
21:05
that
21:05
around
21:06
2%
21:07
get
21:07
to
21:08
court?
21:09
No,
21:10
around
21:10
2%
21:11
receive
21:12
school
21:12
attendance
21:13
orders.
21:14
Oh,
21:14
so
21:14
this
21:14
is
21:14
even
21:14
before
21:15
court.
21:15
So
21:16
2%
21:17
get
21:17
the
21:17
school
21:18
attendance
21:18
order
21:19
and
21:19
then
21:19
if
21:19
they
21:20
ignore
21:20
that
21:20
and
21:21
then
21:21
it
21:21
goes
21:21
to
21:22
court.
21:22
So
21:22
that's
21:22
an
21:22
even
21:23
lower
21:23
percentage,
21:23
I'm
21:24
guessing,
21:24
that
21:24
actually
21:24
goes
21:25
to
21:25
court.
21:25
Yes,
21:26
much,
21:26
much
21:26
lower.
21:27
Because
21:27
the
21:28
majority
21:28
of
21:28
parents,
21:29
when
21:29
they
21:29
receive
21:29
a
21:30
school
21:30
attendance
21:30
order,
21:31
if
21:31
they
21:31
haven't
21:31
provided
21:32
information,
21:32
information
21:33
prior
21:33
to
21:33
that
21:33
date,
21:34
work
21:34
with
21:35
the
21:35
local
21:35
authority,
21:36
provide
21:36
information
21:36
and
21:37
the
21:37
school
21:37
of
21:37
attendance
21:38
order
21:38
is
21:38
revoked.
21:40
It's
21:40
very
21:40
often
21:41
where
21:41
there
21:41
has
21:42
been
21:42
a
21:43
lack
21:43
of
21:43
information.
21:45
So
21:45
it's
21:46
a
21:46
tiny
21:46
percentage
21:47
that
21:47
actually
21:47
end
21:48
up
21:48
in
21:48
a
21:48
courtroom.
21:49
By
21:50
far,
21:50
the
21:50
majority
21:50
of
21:51
parents
21:51
happily
21:52
home
21:52
educate
21:53
without
21:54
any
21:54
of
21:54
that
21:54
happening.
21:55
They
21:55
stay
21:56
within
21:56
that
21:56
informal
21:57
inquiry
21:58
where
21:58
the
21:58
majority
21:59
will
21:59
always
22:00
stay
22:02
out
22:02
of
22:02
interest.
22:02
And
22:03
just
22:03
in
22:03
my
22:03
curiosity,
22:04
how
22:04
many
22:04
are
22:05
we
22:05
talking
22:05
a
22:06
year
22:06
then
22:07
that
22:07
you
22:07
know
22:08
of
22:08
that
22:08
go
22:08
to
22:08
court?
22:08
Because
22:08
I
22:09
don't
22:09
even
22:09
know
22:09
how
22:09
many
22:09
home
22:10
educators
22:10
there
22:10
are
22:11
because
22:11
it's
22:11
such
22:12
a
22:12
diffuse
22:13
kind
22:14
of
22:14
thing
22:14
that
22:14
we
22:14
don't
22:14
tend
22:15
to
22:15
have
22:15
really,
22:15
really
22:15
strict
22:16
figures
22:16
for
22:16
it.
22:16
So
22:17
how
22:17
many
22:17
do
22:18
you
22:18
know
22:18
of
22:19
on
22:19
average
22:19
that
22:20
go
22:20
to
22:20
court
22:20
that
22:20
actually
22:21
end
22:21
up
22:21
in
22:21
court
22:21
every
22:22
year?
22:23
Okay,
22:23
so
22:25
if
22:25
you
22:25
look
22:25
at
22:26
how
22:26
many
22:26
home
22:26
educated
22:27
children
22:28
arbor,
22:29
There
22:29
are
22:30
roughly
22:30
3
22:30
to
22:31
4%
22:31
who
22:32
are
22:32
unknown
22:32
to
22:33
the
22:33
local
22:33
authority
22:34
and
22:34
those
22:35
are
22:35
children
22:35
who
22:36
come
22:36
into
22:36
the
22:37
country
22:37
from
22:37
abroad
22:39
and
22:39
the
22:39
local
22:40
authority
22:40
hasn't
22:40
become
22:41
aware
22:41
of
22:41
them.
22:41
Or
22:42
children
22:42
who
22:43
have
22:43
commenced
22:43
home
22:44
education
22:44
prior
22:45
to
22:45
reaching
22:45
age
22:46
5
22:46
and
22:47
the
22:47
local
22:47
authority
22:48
hasn't
22:48
been
22:48
aware
22:49
of
22:49
them.
22:50
Those
22:51
are
22:51
the
22:51
main
22:51
things.
22:52
So
22:52
if
22:53
you
22:53
look
22:53
at
22:54
roughly
22:54
96
22:55
or
22:55
97%
22:56
of
22:56
children
22:57
are
22:57
known
22:58
to
22:58
the
22:58
local
22:58
authority
23:00
and
23:03
the
23:03
last
23:04
date
23:04
for
23:04
when
23:05
I
23:05
have
23:06
statistics,
23:07
it
23:08
was
23:08
just
23:08
under
23:09
113,000
23:10
children.
23:12
So
23:13
you're
23:13
looking
23:13
at,
23:14
say,
23:14
probably,
23:15
say,
23:15
do
23:16
a
23:16
rough
23:16
estimate,
23:16
let's
23:17
say
23:17
120,000.
23:19
And
23:19
that's
23:19
a
23:20
large
23:21
estimate,
23:22
it's
23:22
probably
23:23
less
23:23
than
23:23
that.
23:25
So
23:25
say
23:25
120,000.
23:28
So
23:28
2%
23:28
of
23:29
those
23:30
are
23:30
going
23:31
to
23:31
end
23:31
up
23:31
with
23:32
school
23:32
attendance
23:33
order.
23:36
So
23:36
that's
23:37
2,400.
23:38
Sorry,
23:38
I
23:39
was
23:39
doing
23:39
it
23:39
on
23:39
a
23:40
calculator,
23:40
so
23:40
I
23:40
didn't
23:41
make
23:41
a
23:41
fool
23:41
of
23:41
myself.
23:42
So
23:43
that's
23:43
roughly
23:44
2,400
23:46
school
23:46
attendance
23:47
orders
23:47
per
23:47
year.
23:49
I
23:49
would
23:50
estimate
23:50
that
23:52
fewer
23:52
than
23:52
20%
23:53
of
23:53
those
23:54
actually
23:54
end
23:54
up
23:54
in
23:55
the
23:55
courtroom.
23:56
That's
23:57
working
23:57
on
23:57
data
23:58
that
23:58
I've
23:58
got
23:58
that's
23:59
a
23:59
couple
23:59
of
23:59
years
23:59
old,
24:00
but
24:01
it
24:01
could
24:01
have
24:01
fluctuated.
24:03
The
24:03
cohort
24:04
of
24:04
home
24:05
educated
24:05
children
24:06
has
24:06
changed
24:07
dramatically
24:08
in
24:08
the
24:08
last
24:08
few
24:09
years.
24:11
In
24:11
2024,
24:13
54%
24:14
of
24:14
children
24:14
coming
24:15
new
24:15
to
24:15
home
24:16
education
24:17
were
24:18
children
24:18
whose
24:19
parents
24:19
did
24:20
not
24:20
want
24:20
to
24:20
home
24:21
educate
24:21
but
24:22
felt
24:23
that
24:23
the
24:23
school
24:24
was
24:24
not
24:24
meeting
24:25
the
24:25
child's
24:25
special
24:26
needs,
24:26
mental
24:27
health
24:27
needs
24:27
and
24:27
most
24:28
usually
24:28
both.
24:29
So
24:29
they've
24:30
come
24:30
to
24:30
home
24:30
education
24:31
reluctantly.
24:32
They
24:32
are
24:32
not
24:34
first
24:34
choice
24:34
home
24:35
educators
24:37
or
24:37
even
24:38
second
24:38
choice
24:39
home
24:39
educators
24:39
who've
24:40
learned
24:40
about
24:40
it
24:41
and
24:41
choose
24:42
it
24:43
for
24:43
a
24:43
positive
24:43
reason.
24:45
And
24:45
as
24:46
a
24:46
result,
24:47
those
24:48
families
24:48
tend
24:49
to
24:49
be
24:49
families
24:49
who've
24:50
had
24:50
difficulties
24:51
with
24:51
attendance
24:51
with
24:52
the
24:52
child
24:52
because
24:53
of
24:53
the
24:53
child's
24:54
needs,
24:54
they've
24:55
had
24:55
problems
24:55
with
24:56
the
24:56
school.
24:56
They're
24:57
more
24:57
likely
24:58
to
24:58
have
24:58
difficulties
25:00
when
25:00
they
25:00
come
25:01
to
25:01
home
25:01
education,
25:02
not
25:02
because
25:03
they
25:03
are
25:03
not
25:04
doing
25:04
their
25:04
best,
25:05
but
25:06
because
25:06
they've
25:07
already
25:07
had
25:08
problems
25:08
and
25:08
they
25:09
have
25:09
children
25:09
often
25:10
with
25:10
complex
25:10
needs
25:11
and
25:11
they
25:12
tend
25:12
to
25:12
be
25:12
looked
25:13
at
25:13
more
25:13
closely.
25:14
So
25:14
the
25:15
numbers
25:15
actually
25:16
receiving
25:16
school
25:17
attendance
25:17
orders
25:18
could
25:19
be
25:19
increasing.
25:20
But
25:22
that
25:22
statistic,
25:24
I
25:24
haven't
25:25
analyzed
25:25
it
25:26
yet,
25:27
the
25:28
government
25:28
used
25:29
not
25:29
to
25:30
collate
25:30
statistics
25:31
and
25:31
I
25:31
did
25:32
it
25:32
twice
25:32
yearly
25:33
up
25:33
to
25:34
the
25:34
beginning
25:35
of
25:35
this
25:35
year.
25:36
But
25:36
the
25:36
government
25:36
is
25:37
now
25:37
collecting
25:37
the
25:38
statistics.
25:38
So
25:39
let
25:39
them
25:40
do
25:40
the
25:40
work
25:40
and
25:40
I
25:41
will
25:41
analyse
25:41
it
25:41
when
25:42
they
25:42
come
25:42
in.
25:42
But
25:43
they
25:43
won't
25:43
come
25:44
in
25:44
for
25:44
a
25:44
few
25:44
weeks
25:45
yet.
25:46
Interesting.
25:47
So
25:47
from
25:48
my
25:48
sort
25:48
of
25:48
like
25:49
not
25:49
great
25:49
maths,
25:50
if
25:50
2,400
25:51
approximately
25:52
get
25:52
a
25:53
school
25:53
attendance
25:53
order
25:54
and
25:54
about
25:54
20%
25:54
of
25:55
those
25:55
go
25:55
to
25:55
court,
25:56
you're
25:56
still
25:56
talking
25:56
about
25:56
500
25:57
people,
25:57
aren't
25:57
you?
25:57
Which
25:58
is
25:58
quite
25:58
a
25:58
lot.
26:00
Yeah,
26:00
it's
26:00
500
26:01
children,
26:02
so
26:02
you're
26:02
talking
26:02
roughly
26:03
300
26:04
parents.
26:05
Because
26:06
it
26:06
works
26:06
out
26:07
roughly
26:07
around
26:07
the
26:08
60%
26:10
as
26:10
a
26:10
multiplier
26:11
so
26:12
about
26:12
300
26:13
parents
26:14
do
26:14
end
26:15
up
26:15
in
26:15
court,
26:16
but
26:16
that's,
26:18
it's
26:18
within
26:19
the
26:19
ram.
26:20
It's
26:20
a
26:21
very
26:21
low
26:21
number.
26:23
If
26:23
you
26:23
look
26:23
at
26:24
the
26:24
normal
26:25
statistical
26:25
curve
26:26
distribution
26:27
logically,
26:28
any
26:29
cohort
26:29
of
26:29
people
26:30
you
26:31
look
26:31
at,
26:31
civil
26:32
servants,
26:33
MPs,
26:33
doctors,
26:34
nurses,
26:35
anybody,
26:36
you
26:36
are
26:36
going
26:36
to
26:36
have
26:37
that
26:37
normal
26:38
curve
26:38
of
26:38
distribution.
26:39
Some
26:40
are
26:40
absolutely
26:41
fabulous,
26:42
some
26:43
are
26:43
really
26:43
good.
26:44
By
26:44
far
26:45
the
26:45
majority
26:45
land
26:46
in
26:46
the
26:46
middle.
26:47
Some
26:47
are,
26:47
yeah,
26:48
not
26:48
quite
26:48
as
26:49
good
26:49
as
26:49
you'd
26:49
like,
26:49
but
26:50
okay.
26:50
And
26:51
that
26:51
tiny
26:51
percentage
26:52
at
26:52
the
26:52
bottom
26:53
are
26:53
just
26:54
not
26:54
good
26:55
enough.
26:56
So
26:56
statistically
26:57
you
26:57
expect
26:58
1
26:58
to
26:59
2%
27:00
to
27:00
fall
27:00
into
27:00
that
27:01
tiny
27:01
percentage.
27:02
So
27:02
actually
27:04
those
27:04
numbers
27:04
going
27:05
to
27:05
court,
27:05
given
27:06
the
27:06
number
27:07
involved,
27:08
aren't
27:09
statistically
27:10
high.
27:11
But
27:11
that
27:12
still
27:12
represents
27:13
hundreds
27:14
of
27:14
very
27:14
scared
27:15
parents
27:15
who
27:15
aren't
27:16
quite
27:16
sure
27:16
often
27:16
why
27:17
this
27:17
got
27:17
there,
27:18
what
27:19
would
27:19
be.
27:19
For
27:20
the
27:20
people
27:20
who.
27:21
And
27:21
as
27:21
you
27:21
say,
27:21
it's
27:22
a
27:22
very
27:22
small
27:22
amount
27:23
actually,
27:23
when
27:23
you
27:23
think
27:24
about
27:24
it
27:24
statistically,
27:25
for
27:25
those
27:25
parents
27:26
that
27:26
are
27:27
facing
27:28
the
27:28
prospect
27:28
of
27:29
going
27:29
to
27:29
court,
27:29
and
27:30
I
27:30
know
27:30
every
27:30
circumstance
27:31
will
27:31
be
27:31
different,
27:32
but
27:32
is
27:32
there
27:33
one
27:33
piece
27:33
of
27:33
advice
27:34
you
27:34
would
27:34
generally
27:35
give
27:35
that
27:35
you
27:35
think
27:36
is
27:36
a
27:36
sort
27:36
of
27:36
good
27:36
general
27:37
piece
27:37
of
27:37
advice
27:37
for
27:38
parents
27:38
who
27:38
may
27:38
find
27:38
themselves
27:39
in
27:39
that
27:39
situation?
27:40
Yes,
27:41
absolutely.
27:42
The
27:43
most
27:43
important
27:44
thing
27:44
you
27:44
can
27:44
do
27:45
as
27:45
soon
27:45
as
27:46
you
27:46
receive
27:47
the
27:47
notice
27:48
is
27:49
start
27:50
collating
27:51
information.
27:52
Gather
27:53
what's.
27:53
What
27:53
I
27:53
would
27:54
refer
27:54
to
27:54
as
27:54
a
27:54
scrapbook
27:55
diary.
27:55
So
27:56
write
27:56
down
27:56
everything
27:57
your
27:57
child
27:57
does.
27:58
Keep
27:58
a
27:59
diary
27:59
throughout
28:00
each
28:00
day,
28:01
even
28:01
if
28:01
you
28:01
have
28:01
to
28:02
do
28:02
it
28:02
for
28:02
weeks
28:02
of
28:03
what
28:03
your
28:03
child
28:04
learns.
28:05
We
28:05
often
28:05
forget
28:06
that
28:06
the
28:07
child
28:07
is
28:07
learning
28:08
because
28:09
it's
28:09
part
28:09
of
28:10
life
28:10
when
28:10
you're
28:10
home
28:11
educating.
28:11
So
28:12
say,
28:12
for
28:12
example,
28:13
you
28:13
get
28:14
up
28:14
in
28:14
the
28:14
morning
28:14
and
28:15
your,
28:15
your
28:15
child
28:15
says,
28:16
says
28:16
to
28:17
you,
28:17
you've
28:18
got
28:18
your
28:18
five
28:18
year
28:18
old
28:18
who
28:19
says,
28:19
mummy,
28:20
where
28:20
did
28:20
my
28:20
poo
28:21
go?
28:21
And
28:22
you
28:22
explain
28:22
to
28:23
them
28:23
that
28:23
it
28:23
goes
28:23
down
28:24
and
28:24
the
28:24
water
28:25
makes
28:25
it
28:25
flow
28:25
down
28:26
some
28:26
pipes
28:26
and
28:27
then
28:27
it
28:27
goes
28:27
to
28:27
a
28:28
sewerage
28:28
works,
28:29
that's
28:29
education.
28:30
If
28:31
they
28:31
come
28:31
downstairs
28:32
and
28:33
they
28:33
say,
28:35
can
28:35
I
28:35
have
28:36
chocolate
28:36
for
28:36
breakfast?
28:37
And
28:37
you
28:38
explain
28:38
to
28:38
them
28:38
that
28:39
chocolate,
28:39
chocolate
28:39
isn't
28:39
good
28:40
for
28:40
breakfast
28:40
because
28:41
it's
28:41
full
28:41
of
28:41
sugar
28:42
and
28:42
you
28:43
need
28:43
something
28:43
that
28:44
gives
28:44
you
28:45
lots
28:45
of
28:45
vitamins
28:46
and
28:46
minerals,
28:47
that's
28:47
education.
28:49
So
28:49
if
28:49
a
28:49
parent
28:50
notes
28:50
everything
28:51
that
28:51
they
28:53
can
28:53
find
28:54
education
28:54
in,
28:55
in
28:55
a
28:55
scrapbook
28:56
diary,
28:56
the
28:57
scrapbook
28:57
bit
28:57
being
28:58
photographs
28:59
of
28:59
the
28:59
child
28:59
doing
29:00
things
29:00
or
29:01
events
29:01
the
29:01
child
29:02
has
29:02
gone
29:02
to,
29:03
that
29:03
parent
29:04
can
29:04
then
29:04
lie.
29:05
But
29:05
they
29:05
courtroom
29:05
door
29:06
with
29:06
this
29:07
wonderful
29:09
scrapbook
29:09
diary
29:10
which
29:10
they
29:10
should
29:11
have
29:11
photocopied
29:12
to
29:13
give
29:13
a
29:13
copy
29:13
to
29:13
the
29:14
magistrates
29:15
and
29:15
they
29:15
can
29:16
present
29:16
that
29:16
and
29:17
the
29:17
Local
29:17
authority
29:18
prosecuting
29:19
officer
29:19
who
29:19
sat
29:20
outside
29:20
the
29:20
court
29:20
with
29:21
them
29:22
may
29:22
look
29:22
at
29:23
that
29:23
and
29:23
say,
29:24
okay,
29:24
we'll
29:24
agree
29:25
to
29:25
withdraw.
29:26
And
29:26
that
29:27
happens.
29:28
If
29:29
they
29:29
don't,
29:30
once
29:30
they
29:30
go
29:30
through
29:31
the
29:31
courtroom,
29:33
then
29:33
they
29:34
can
29:34
present
29:34
that
29:35
information
29:35
to
29:36
the
29:36
magistrates.
29:37
And
29:38
the
29:38
magistrates
29:39
aren't
29:39
legal
29:40
professionals,
29:41
they're
29:42
ordinary
29:42
men
29:42
and
29:43
women
29:44
and
29:44
they
29:45
are
29:45
going
29:45
to
29:45
be
29:46
looking
29:47
at
29:47
what
29:47
is
29:48
presented
29:48
to
29:49
them
29:49
on
29:49
that
29:50
basis
29:51
in
29:51
a
29:51
common
29:52
sense
29:52
way.
29:53
Does
29:53
this
29:53
represent
29:54
a
29:54
suitable
29:55
education?
29:56
Gosh,
29:56
if
29:56
this
29:56
child
29:57
has
29:57
learnt
29:57
abcde,
29:59
and
29:59
this
29:59
is
29:59
only
29:59
two
30:00
or
30:00
three
30:00
weeks
30:01
worth,
30:02
that
30:02
can
30:02
often
30:02
win
30:03
a
30:03
case
30:03
for
30:03
a
30:03
parent.
30:04
So
30:05
scrapbook
30:05
diary
30:06
of
30:06
every
30:07
scrap
30:07
of
30:07
education.
30:08
Yes,
30:09
it's
30:09
time
30:09
consuming,
30:10
yes,
30:10
it's
30:11
stressful.
30:12
But
30:12
not
30:12
as
30:13
time
30:13
consuming
30:14
and
30:14
stressful
30:15
as
30:15
dealing
30:15
with
30:15
the
30:16
aftermath
30:16
of
30:17
being
30:17
prosecuted
30:18
and
30:18
found
30:18
guilty.
30:19
Yeah,
30:20
I
30:20
see
30:20
that.
30:21
So
30:21
towards
30:21
the
30:22
end
30:22
of
30:22
the
30:22
process,
30:22
it
30:23
is
30:23
the
30:23
judge
30:24
that
30:24
decides
30:24
if
30:24
the
30:25
education
30:25
is
30:25
suitable
30:26
or
30:26
not.
30:27
If
30:27
you
30:27
get
30:27
to
30:27
the
30:28
court
30:28
process
30:28
and
30:29
then
30:29
in
30:29
the
30:29
middle
30:29
of
30:30
the
30:30
process
30:30
that
30:31
you
30:31
talk
30:31
about,
30:31
the
30:32
LA
30:32
decides
30:33
if
30:33
the
30:33
education
30:33
is
30:34
suitable.
30:34
And
30:34
right
30:34
at
30:34
the
30:35
very
30:35
start,
30:36
the
30:36
parents
30:36
are
30:37
proving
30:37
that
30:38
the
30:38
education
30:38
is
30:38
suitable.
30:39
So
30:39
let's
30:40
talk
30:40
about
30:40
that
30:40
middle
30:41
bit,
30:41
which
30:41
is
30:42
when
30:42
the
30:42
LA
30:43
are
30:43
going
30:44
to.
30:44
They've
30:45
submitted
30:45
their.
30:46
Make
30:46
sure
30:46
I
30:47
get
30:47
my
30:47
wording
30:47
right.
30:47
They
30:47
submitted
30:48
their
30:48
formal
30:48
inquiry
30:50
and
30:50
then
30:51
you
30:51
give
30:51
your
30:51
information
30:52
and
30:52
that's
30:52
when
30:52
the
30:53
LA
30:53
decides
30:53
if
30:54
it's
30:54
suitable
30:54
or
30:54
not.
30:54
Now
30:55
you.
30:56
What
30:56
about
30:56
this
30:57
process?
30:58
So
30:58
is
30:59
there
30:59
any
30:59
advice
30:59
you
31:00
would
31:00
give
31:00
to
31:00
home
31:00
educating
31:01
parents
31:01
for
31:01
this
31:01
section?
31:02
So
31:02
that's
31:02
the
31:02
middle
31:03
section.
31:03
When
31:04
they've
31:04
gone
31:04
and
31:05
the
31:05
LA
31:05
has
31:06
asked
31:06
for
31:06
formal,
31:08
has
31:08
put
31:08
forward
31:08
a
31:08
formal
31:09
inquiry,
31:09
what
31:10
advice
31:10
would
31:10
you
31:10
give
31:10
parents
31:11
then.
31:13
Prior
31:14
to
31:14
formal
31:15
inquiry,
31:16
prior
31:16
to
31:16
receiving
31:17
a
31:17
Section
31:17
437
31:18
notice,
31:19
the
31:20
parents
31:20
can
31:21
can
31:22
submit
31:22
anything
31:23
in
31:23
the
31:24
way
31:24
that
31:24
they
31:24
want.
31:25
Post
31:26
that.
31:27
You
31:27
will
31:27
be
31:28
advised
31:28
if
31:28
you
31:28
go
31:28
online,
31:29
people
31:29
will
31:29
say
31:30
to
31:30
you,
31:30
don't
31:30
share
31:30
copies
31:31
of
31:31
the
31:31
child's
31:31
work,
31:32
don't
31:32
do
31:32
this,
31:32
don't
31:32
do
31:33
that.
31:33
You've
31:33
got
31:33
the
31:34
right
31:34
to
31:34
not
31:34
do
31:34
that.
31:35
And
31:36
my
31:36
best
31:37
piece
31:37
of
31:37
advice
31:37
for
31:38
a
31:38
parent
31:38
is
31:38
think
31:38
about
31:39
this,
31:41
what
31:41
you
31:41
value
31:42
most,
31:42
protecting
31:43
your
31:44
right
31:44
to
31:44
not
31:45
share
31:45
a
31:45
copy
31:45
of
31:46
your
31:46
child's
31:46
work
31:47
or
31:48
not
31:48
ending
31:49
up
31:49
in
31:49
a
31:49
criminal
31:50
courtroom.
31:51
Think
31:52
about
31:53
why
31:53
you
31:54
are
31:54
not
31:54
doing
31:55
or
31:55
you
31:55
are
31:56
doing
31:56
what
31:56
you're
31:57
doing.
31:58
So
31:58
consider,
31:59
is
31:59
there
32:00
a
32:00
way
32:00
that
32:00
I
32:01
can
32:01
satisfy
32:02
the
32:02
local
32:02
authority
32:03
that
32:03
feels
32:04
not
32:04
too
32:05
difficult
32:05
for
32:05
me
32:06
and
32:06
sits
32:07
right
32:07
with
32:07
me?
32:08
So,
32:08
for
32:09
example,
32:09
if
32:10
the
32:10
local
32:10
authority
32:11
has
32:11
told
32:11
you
32:11
its
32:12
concerns
32:12
are
32:13
that
32:13
the
32:14
child
32:14
doesn't
32:15
appear
32:15
to
32:15
have
32:15
made
32:15
progress
32:16
in
32:16
maths
32:18
then
32:19
and
32:19
you
32:19
happen
32:19
to
32:20
have
32:20
a
32:21
download
32:22
from
32:22
a
32:22
website
32:22
the
32:23
child
32:23
uses
32:24
or
32:24
you've
32:25
got
32:26
even
32:26
a
32:27
little
32:27
recording
32:28
of
32:28
the
32:28
child,
32:29
say
32:29
a
32:29
six
32:29
or
32:30
seven
32:30
year
32:30
old
32:31
who's
32:32
saying
32:33
that,
32:33
the
32:33
times
32:34
tables
32:34
out
32:34
loud,
32:35
whatever
32:35
you've
32:36
got,
32:37
if
32:37
that
32:38
might
32:38
satisfy
32:39
the
32:39
local
32:39
authority,
32:41
why
32:41
would
32:41
a
32:42
parent
32:42
think,
32:43
I've
32:43
got
32:43
a
32:44
right
32:44
not
32:44
to
32:44
do
32:44
this
32:45
and
32:45
put
32:45
themselves
32:46
through
32:46
the
32:46
rest
32:46
of
32:47
the
32:47
stress,
32:47
Just
32:49
bite
32:50
your
32:50
tongue,
32:50
swallow
32:51
your
32:51
pride
32:52
and
32:52
do
32:52
it.
32:53
Now
32:54
a
32:54
lot
32:54
of
32:55
parents
32:55
don't
32:55
want
32:55
to
32:56
do
32:56
that.
32:56
And
32:56
if
32:56
you
32:57
are
32:57
intent
32:57
on
32:58
going
32:58
through
32:58
court
32:59
to
32:59
the
32:59
court
32:59
on
33:00
appointed
33:00
principle,
33:01
then
33:02
that's
33:02
fine,
33:02
that's
33:03
your
33:03
choice.
33:03
But
33:04
for
33:04
most
33:05
parents
33:05
who
33:05
land
33:06
in
33:06
that
33:06
situation,
33:07
that
33:07
that
33:07
isn't
33:08
how
33:08
they
33:08
feel,
33:09
they're
33:09
just
33:10
desperate
33:10
to
33:10
sort
33:11
it
33:11
out.
33:12
So
33:12
whatever
33:13
works
33:13
for
33:14
you
33:15
as
33:15
an
33:15
individual,
33:16
do
33:17
it.
33:17
Don't
33:17
listen
33:18
to
33:18
people
33:19
saying
33:19
to
33:19
you,
33:19
never
33:20
do
33:20
this,
33:20
never
33:20
do
33:21
that.
33:21
What
33:22
matters
33:22
is
33:23
what's
33:23
right
33:23
for
33:24
you
33:24
as
33:25
an
33:25
individual
33:26
parent
33:26
and
33:27
that
33:27
is
33:28
the
33:28
correct
33:28
way
33:28
forward.
33:29
Now
33:30
very,
33:30
very
33:30
often
33:32
parents
33:33
get
33:33
to
33:33
that
33:34
point
33:34
not
33:35
because
33:35
the
33:35
education's
33:36
bad,
33:37
but
33:37
because
33:37
they
33:38
haven't
33:38
known
33:39
how
33:39
to
33:39
present
33:39
it
33:40
or
33:40
they've
33:40
failed
33:41
to
33:41
present
33:41
it
33:42
because,
33:44
you
33:44
know,
33:45
parents
33:46
role
33:47
isn't
33:48
persuading
33:49
somebody
33:49
that
33:50
something
33:50
is
33:51
right.
33:51
Their
33:52
role
33:52
is
33:52
to
33:52
be
33:52
a
33:52
darn
33:53
good
33:53
parent
33:54
or
33:54
the
33:54
best
33:55
parent
33:55
they
33:55
can
33:56
be.
33:56
And
33:57
not
33:57
every
33:58
parent
33:58
is
33:58
a
33:58
wordsmith.
34:00
So
34:00
they
34:00
might
34:00
be
34:01
trying
34:01
to
34:01
explain
34:02
something.
34:03
They'll
34:04
go
34:04
onto
34:04
a
34:04
Facebook
34:05
group
34:05
and
34:05
they'll
34:05
be
34:05
told,
34:06
keep
34:06
it
34:06
in
34:06
writing,
34:07
write
34:07
a
34:07
report
34:08
that
34:08
might
34:09
be
34:09
a
34:09
parent
34:09
who's
34:10
dyslexic
34:11
or
34:11
who
34:12
finds
34:12
writing
34:13
really
34:13
difficult
34:14
and
34:14
they
34:15
might
34:15
have
34:15
sent
34:15
information
34:16
in
34:16
that
34:17
actually
34:18
doesn't
34:19
cover
34:19
what
34:19
they
34:19
need
34:20
to
34:20
cover.
34:21
So
34:23
get
34:23
what
34:23
you're
34:23
sending
34:24
checked.
34:26
We
34:26
do
34:26
a
34:26
checking
34:26
service
34:27
for
34:27
our
34:27
members
34:28
and
34:28
what
34:28
we're
34:28
looking
34:29
for
34:29
is
34:30
has
34:31
the
34:31
parent
34:31
covered
34:32
what
34:33
the
34:33
child
34:33
is
34:33
doing,
34:34
how
34:34
they
34:35
are
34:35
doing
34:35
it,
34:36
how
34:36
the
34:36
child
34:36
is
34:37
engaged
34:37
with
34:38
what
34:38
they're
34:38
learning
34:39
and
34:39
what
34:40
progress
34:40
the
34:40
child
34:41
has
34:41
made.
34:41
Now
34:41
progress
34:42
isn't
34:42
linear.
34:43
Progress
34:44
can
34:44
be
34:44
like
34:44
this.
34:45
But
34:46
every
34:47
child
34:47
makes
34:47
some
34:48
progress.
34:49
It
34:49
leaps,
34:50
bounds,
34:50
lumps,
34:51
bumps,
34:51
they
34:52
make
34:52
progress.
34:53
So
34:53
if
34:53
the
34:54
parent
34:55
hasn't
34:55
described
34:56
those
34:56
things,
34:57
then
34:58
that
34:58
is
34:58
what
34:59
they
34:59
should
34:59
try
34:59
to
34:59
do.
35:00
Giving
35:00
detail.
35:01
Ask
35:02
the
35:02
local
35:02
authority
35:03
what
35:03
specific
35:04
concerns
35:04
they
35:05
have,
35:05
if
35:05
they
35:05
haven't
35:05
already
35:06
said
35:06
so.
35:07
But
35:07
it's
35:08
very,
35:08
very
35:08
important
35:09
to
35:11
remember
35:11
that
35:12
at
35:12
that
35:12
point
35:12
you're
35:13
under
35:13
a
35:13
legal
35:13
duty
35:14
to
35:14
satisfy
35:15
the
35:15
local
35:15
authority.
35:16
And
35:16
it
35:17
may
35:17
be
35:17
done
35:18
simply
35:18
by
35:19
meeting
35:20
for
35:20
10
35:20
minutes
35:20
in
35:21
a
35:21
cafe
35:21
and
35:22
saying
35:23
the
35:23
local
35:23
authority
35:24
officer
35:24
saying
35:24
to
35:24
you,
35:25
well
35:25
my
35:25
Actual
35:26
concern
35:26
was
35:26
that
35:27
I
35:27
wasn't
35:27
sure
35:27
the
35:28
child
35:28
was
35:28
actually
35:28
doing
35:29
the
35:29
work
35:30
you're
35:30
describing,
35:31
because
35:32
some
35:32
people
35:32
get
35:33
third
35:33
parties
35:33
to
35:34
write
35:34
their
35:34
reports,
35:35
some
35:35
use
35:35
AI
35:36
and
35:36
it
35:36
writes
35:37
a
35:37
load
35:37
of
35:37
gobbledygook.
35:39
So
35:39
actually
35:39
going
35:40
there
35:40
with
35:40
the
35:41
child
35:41
who
35:41
says,
35:42
hello,
35:43
my
35:43
name's
35:44
Anne,
35:46
look
35:46
what
35:46
I've
35:46
been
35:47
doing,
35:47
Bingo,
35:48
you've
35:48
solved
35:49
it.
35:50
That
35:50
might
35:50
work
35:50
for
35:51
you
35:51
as
35:51
a
35:51
parent.
35:52
If
35:52
it
35:52
doesn't,
35:53
don't
35:53
do
35:53
it.
35:54
If
35:54
your
35:54
child
35:54
doesn't
35:54
want
35:55
to
35:55
meet
35:55
someone,
35:55
don't
35:56
do
35:56
it.
35:56
But
35:57
do
35:57
look
35:58
at
35:58
what
35:58
works
35:59
for
35:59
you,
35:59
not
36:00
what
36:01
somebody
36:01
is
36:01
telling
36:02
you
36:02
is
36:02
right.
36:02
They're
36:03
not
36:03
you.
36:04
Yeah,
36:04
that
36:04
makes
36:05
complete
36:05
sense
36:06
and
36:06
I
36:06
think
36:06
it's
36:06
really
36:06
good
36:07
advice.
36:08
I
36:08
think
36:08
that
36:08
section
36:09
there
36:09
where
36:09
they're
36:09
asking
36:10
for
36:10
formal
36:10
inquiries,
36:11
I
36:12
agree
36:12
that
36:12
that
36:12
isn't
36:13
a
36:13
time
36:13
to
36:13
be
36:14
sort
36:15
of
36:15
saying,
36:15
oh,
36:15
I'm
36:15
not
36:16
going
36:16
to
36:16
provide
36:16
example
36:17
work
36:17
because
36:18
I
36:18
know
36:18
that
36:18
I'm
36:18
not
36:19
really
36:19
meant
36:19
to
36:19
in
36:19
inverted
36:20
commas,
36:20
because
36:20
it's
36:21
bad
36:21
for
36:21
the
36:21
home
36:21
education
36:22
community
36:22
generally,
36:23
obviously,
36:24
just
36:25
to
36:25
sort
36:25
of
36:25
cycle
36:26
back
36:26
onto
36:27
that
36:27
one.
36:27
I
36:28
think
36:28
generally
36:29
that
36:29
advice
36:29
is
36:29
given
36:30
perhaps
36:30
for
36:30
the
36:30
first
36:31
stage,
36:31
the
36:31
informal
36:32
inquiry
36:32
stage,
36:33
because
36:33
there's
36:34
the.
36:34
I
36:34
know
36:34
there's
36:35
the
36:35
idea
36:35
in
36:35
home
36:36
education
36:37
that
36:37
if
36:38
some
36:38
parents
36:39
offer
36:40
examples
36:41
of
36:41
work,
36:41
then
36:41
it
36:41
puts
36:42
the
36:42
onus
36:42
on
36:43
other
36:43
parents
36:43
who
36:43
aren't
36:44
and
36:44
it
36:44
makes
36:45
them
36:45
look
36:45
like
36:45
maybe
36:45
they
36:46
should
36:46
be
36:46
doing
36:46
that.
36:47
So
36:47
there's
36:47
almost
36:47
a
36:48
sense
36:48
of
36:48
protecting
36:48
the
36:49
community,
36:49
which
36:49
I
36:49
think
36:49
is
36:50
perhaps
36:50
more
36:50
valid
36:51
in
36:51
that
36:51
very
36:51
first
36:52
informal
36:52
inquiry
36:53
stage.
36:53
Yes,
36:54
yes,
36:54
it
36:54
can.
36:55
That
36:55
can
36:56
be
36:56
more
36:56
valid
36:56
in
36:57
informal
36:57
inquiries.
36:58
But
36:58
what
36:58
you've
36:58
got
36:58
to
36:58
remember
37:00
is,
37:01
yes,
37:02
there
37:02
is
37:03
a
37:03
very
37:04
strong
37:04
argument
37:05
for
37:05
the
37:05
fact
37:05
that
37:06
if
37:06
increasingly
37:07
parents
37:08
say,
37:08
for
37:09
example,
37:10
let's
37:11
be
37:11
ridiculous,
37:12
give
37:12
the
37:12
local
37:12
authority
37:13
their
37:13
firstborn,
37:15
there
37:15
will
37:16
legitimise
37:17
an
37:17
expectation
37:18
that
37:18
other
37:19
parents
37:19
will
37:19
do
37:19
that.
37:20
But
37:22
there
37:22
are
37:23
parents
37:24
for
37:25
whom
37:26
taking
37:26
a
37:26
certain
37:27
approach
37:28
is
37:28
actually
37:29
traumatising.
37:31
Parents
37:32
who've
37:32
been
37:32
subject
37:32
to
37:33
domestic
37:33
abuse,
37:34
who've
37:34
been
37:34
through
37:34
the
37:34
court
37:35
system,
37:35
for
37:36
example,
37:36
with
37:37
an
37:37
abusive
37:38
ex
37:38
partner,
37:39
asking
37:39
them
37:40
to
37:40
write
37:40
something,
37:41
a
37:42
formal
37:43
report
37:44
is
37:45
no
37:45
different.
37:46
You're
37:46
taking
37:46
them
37:47
back
37:47
psychologically,
37:48
they've
37:49
often
37:49
got
37:49
ptsd
37:50
and
37:50
you're
37:51
taking
37:51
them
37:51
back
37:51
to
37:52
psychologically,
37:52
to
37:52
being
37:53
in
37:53
that
37:53
courtroom
37:54
and
37:56
how
37:56
that
37:56
felt
37:56
to
37:57
them.
37:57
And
37:57
it's
37:58
an
37:58
incredibly
37:59
damaging
37:59
thing
38:00
for
38:00
them.
38:01
So
38:02
what
38:02
you've
38:02
got
38:03
to
38:03
do
38:03
is
38:04
temper
38:04
what
38:05
is
38:05
good
38:05
for
38:05
the
38:06
community
38:07
with
38:08
individuals
38:09
needs.
38:09
Because,
38:11
for
38:11
example,
38:12
it's
38:12
a
38:12
bit
38:13
like
38:13
the
38:13
Equality
38:13
Act.
38:15
We
38:15
all
38:15
go
38:15
shopping,
38:17
if
38:17
we
38:17
all
38:18
go
38:18
into
38:18
a
38:18
shop
38:19
and
38:20
99%
38:21
of
38:22
you
38:22
are
38:22
Perfectly
38:23
fit
38:23
and
38:23
healthy
38:24
and
38:24
you
38:25
can
38:25
get
38:25
around
38:26
obstacles
38:27
and
38:28
climb
38:28
up
38:28
the
38:28
stairs
38:29
to
38:29
the
38:29
entrance,
38:30
that's
38:30
fine.
38:31
But
38:32
you
38:32
shouldn't
38:32
be
38:32
telling
38:33
somebody
38:33
in
38:33
a
38:33
wheelchair
38:34
that
38:34
they
38:34
have
38:35
to
38:35
climb
38:35
up
38:35
the
38:36
stairs
38:36
when
38:37
they
38:37
cannot
38:37
do
38:38
so
38:39
because
38:40
they
38:40
are
38:40
not
38:41
you.
38:42
And
38:42
so
38:42
we've
38:43
got
38:43
to
38:43
bear
38:43
in
38:43
mind
38:44
that
38:44
for
38:44
some
38:44
individuals
38:45
it
38:45
just
38:45
doesn't
38:46
work
38:46
that
38:46
way.
38:47
But
38:47
absolutely
38:48
there
38:48
is
38:48
a
38:48
strong
38:49
argument,
38:49
there
38:50
are
38:50
all
38:50
sorts
38:50
of
38:50
things
38:51
actually
38:51
going
38:52
on
38:52
to
38:52
the
38:52
subject
38:53
of
38:53
rights.
38:54
There
38:54
are
38:54
lots
38:54
of
38:55
things
38:55
that
38:55
crop
38:55
up
38:56
with
38:56
parents
38:57
rights,
38:58
and
38:59
one
38:59
of
38:59
those
38:59
is,
39:00
I'm
39:01
not
39:01
going
39:01
to
39:01
give
39:01
you
39:01
copies
39:02
of
39:02
work
39:02
because
39:03
my
39:04
child
39:04
owns
39:04
the
39:04
copyright
39:05
and
39:05
has
39:05
the
39:06
right
39:06
to
39:06
say
39:06
yes
39:06
or
39:07
no.
39:08
They're
39:08
absolutely
39:09
correct.
39:10
Copyright
39:11
doesn't
39:11
have
39:11
an
39:11
age
39:11
limit.
39:12
Of
39:12
course
39:12
the
39:13
child
39:13
owns
39:13
the
39:13
copyright.
39:14
So
39:15
what
39:15
the
39:15
local
39:15
authority
39:16
should
39:16
be
39:16
saying
39:16
is,
39:17
okay,
39:17
that's
39:17
fine,
39:18
I
39:18
agree.
39:18
I
39:19
accept
39:19
that
39:19
you're
39:19
right.
39:20
How
39:20
would
39:21
you
39:21
like
39:21
to
39:22
tell
39:22
me
39:22
about
39:23
your
39:23
education?
39:24
So
39:24
it
39:25
comes
39:25
back
39:25
to
39:26
the
39:26
parent
39:27
has
39:27
to
39:28
find
39:28
a
39:28
way
39:28
that's
39:29
right
39:29
for
39:29
them
39:30
to
39:31
provide
39:31
information
39:32
about
39:32
the
39:32
education.
39:33
The
39:34
local
39:34
authority
39:35
has
39:35
an
39:35
absolute
39:36
right
39:36
to
39:36
ask
39:38
and
39:38
the
39:38
parent
39:39
has
39:39
no
39:40
duty
39:40
to
39:40
respond.
39:42
And
39:42
because
39:42
of
39:43
that,
39:43
the
39:43
parent
39:44
has
39:44
a
39:44
right
39:44
to
39:45
respond
39:45
in
39:45
the
39:46
way
39:46
that
39:46
suits
39:46
them.
39:47
So
39:48
I
39:49
said
39:49
very
39:49
early
39:50
on
39:50
it
39:50
might
39:50
be
39:51
by
39:51
means
39:51
of
39:51
interpretive
39:52
dance.
39:53
I
39:53
actually
39:53
know
39:54
a
39:54
parent
39:54
who's
39:54
done
39:54
that
39:56
successfully
39:57
and
39:59
there
39:59
are
39:59
so
39:59
many
40:00
ways.
40:01
Let's
40:02
actually
40:03
talk
40:03
about
40:03
that
40:04
first
40:04
section
40:04
then.
40:05
So
40:05
this
40:05
is
40:06
before
40:06
formal
40:06
inquiries.
40:07
This
40:07
is
40:08
probably
40:08
the
40:08
most
40:09
common
40:09
interaction
40:10
that
40:10
home
40:10
educated
40:11
parents
40:11
will
40:11
have
40:11
with
40:11
the
40:12
la.
40:12
And
40:12
that
40:12
is
40:12
that
40:13
very
40:13
first
40:14
interaction
40:15
where
40:16
let's
40:16
call
40:16
it
40:17
a
40:17
report,
40:17
because
40:17
this
40:18
is
40:18
generally
40:18
how
40:18
home
40:19
educators
40:19
tend
40:19
to
40:19
see
40:20
it
40:20
when
40:20
they're
40:21
asked
40:21
for
40:21
a
40:21
report.
40:22
So
40:22
this
40:22
is
40:22
the
40:23
informal
40:23
inquiry.
40:24
There's
40:24
no
40:24
obligation
40:25
on
40:25
them
40:26
to
40:26
respond,
40:27
but
40:27
I
40:27
know
40:27
it's
40:27
generally
40:28
recommended
40:28
that
40:29
you
40:29
do
40:29
respond
40:30
if
40:30
you
40:30
can.
40:31
And
40:31
so
40:32
what
40:32
would
40:32
be
40:32
your
40:32
advice
40:32
for
40:33
parents
40:33
for
40:33
that
40:33
very
40:34
first
40:34
interaction
40:34
with
40:35
the
40:35
local
40:35
authority
40:36
when
40:36
they're
40:36
asking,
40:37
okay,
40:37
show
40:38
us
40:38
that
40:38
you're
40:38
providing
40:39
a
40:39
suitable
40:39
education.
40:41
This
40:41
really
40:42
comes
40:42
down
40:42
to
40:43
very,
40:43
very
40:43
simple
40:44
things.
40:45
The
40:45
local
40:46
authority
40:46
is
40:46
entitled
40:47
to
40:47
look
40:48
at
40:48
certain
40:48
things
40:49
and
40:49
to
40:49
cover
40:50
those.
40:50
You
40:51
want
40:51
to
40:51
cover
40:53
certain
40:53
aspects
40:54
in
40:54
a
40:54
report,
40:55
but
40:55
the
40:56
parent
40:56
can
40:57
also,
40:58
if
40:58
the
40:58
parent
40:58
has
40:59
a
40:59
deeply
40:59
held
41:00
philosophical
41:01
belief
41:01
in
41:01
home
41:02
education,
41:02
for
41:03
example,
41:04
they
41:04
should
41:04
explain
41:05
that.
41:05
So
41:06
you
41:06
use
41:06
an
41:06
introduction
41:07
in
41:07
the
41:07
report.
41:08
Explain
41:10
your
41:10
deeply
41:11
held
41:11
philosophical
41:12
belief.
41:13
Now,
41:13
not
41:14
many
41:14
parents
41:14
do,
41:15
but
41:15
if
41:15
you
41:15
do,
41:15
you
41:16
explain
41:16
it.
41:17
If
41:17
you
41:17
don't,
41:18
then
41:18
you
41:18
explain
41:20
your
41:20
aims
41:21
in
41:21
home
41:21
education.
41:23
The
41:23
reason
41:23
for
41:23
that
41:24
is
41:24
a
41:24
legal
41:25
Precedent
41:25
that
41:26
says
41:26
that
41:27
education
41:28
has
41:28
to
41:28
be
41:29
suitable
41:29
and
41:29
it
41:30
has
41:30
to
41:30
be
41:30
efficient
41:31
and
41:31
various
41:32
different
41:32
things.
41:33
And
41:33
one
41:33
legal
41:34
precedent
41:34
says
41:35
that
41:35
it
41:36
should
41:36
achieve
41:37
what
41:37
it
41:37
sets
41:38
out
41:38
to
41:38
achieve.
41:39
So
41:39
you've
41:40
got
41:40
to
41:40
set
41:40
out
41:40
your
41:41
store
41:41
by
41:42
saying
41:42
what
41:42
the
41:43
aims
41:43
of
41:43
your
41:43
education
41:44
are.
41:46
What
41:46
are
41:46
you
41:47
trying
41:47
to
41:47
achieve?
41:48
Now,
41:48
that
41:48
might
41:49
be
41:49
for
41:49
some
41:50
children.
41:53
Little
41:53
Johnny
41:54
wants
41:54
to
41:54
be
41:55
an
41:55
engineer
41:56
and
41:56
therefore
41:56
he
41:57
needs
41:57
to
41:57
get
41:57
science
41:58
GCSEs.
41:59
He
41:59
needs
41:59
to
42:00
do
42:00
this
42:00
various
42:01
different
42:01
things.
42:02
So
42:02
how
42:03
are
42:03
you
42:03
facilitating
42:04
Johnny
42:05
learning
42:05
that
42:08
Edna
42:09
might
42:09
want
42:10
to
42:10
be
42:10
a
42:10
nuclear
42:11
physicist?
42:12
How
42:12
are
42:12
you
42:12
facilitating
42:13
that
42:14
Fred
42:15
might
42:15
want
42:15
to
42:16
be
42:16
a
42:16
ballet
42:16
dancer?
42:17
How
42:17
you
42:18
help
42:18
it
42:19
facilitating
42:19
that?
42:20
So
42:20
it's
42:20
about
42:21
what
42:21
you're
42:21
setting
42:22
out
42:22
to
42:22
achieve.
42:23
Now,
42:23
a
42:23
five
42:23
year
42:24
old
42:24
might
42:24
want
42:24
to
42:24
be
42:25
a
42:25
tractor
42:25
driver
42:25
one
42:26
week
42:26
and
42:27
a
42:27
doctor
42:27
the
42:27
next
42:28
week
42:28
and
42:28
a
42:28
spaceman
42:29
the
42:29
next
42:29
week.
42:30
But
42:31
the
42:31
day
42:31
you
42:31
write
42:32
the
42:32
report,
42:32
if
42:32
he
42:33
wants
42:33
to
42:33
be
42:33
a
42:33
tractor
42:34
or
42:34
she
42:34
wants
42:34
a
42:35
driver
42:35
or
42:35
she
42:36
wants
42:36
to
42:36
be
42:36
a
42:36
tractor
42:37
driver,
42:38
you
42:39
say,
42:40
currently
42:41
Fred
42:42
wants
42:42
to
42:42
be
42:42
a
42:43
tractor
42:43
driver,
42:43
although
42:44
this
42:44
changes
42:44
regularly
42:45
due
42:45
to
42:46
to
42:46
his
42:46
age.
42:48
In
42:48
order
42:49
to
42:49
accommodate
42:50
this,
42:50
we
42:50
set
42:50
out
42:51
to
42:51
expose
42:51
him
42:51
to
42:52
as
42:52
much
42:52
information
42:53
about
42:53
tractors
42:53
as
42:54
we
42:54
can.
42:55
So
42:55
you're
42:55
saying
42:55
this
42:56
is
42:56
what
42:56
I'm
42:56
going
42:56
to
42:56
achieve
42:57
and
42:57
this
42:57
is
42:57
the
42:57
sort
42:58
of
42:58
way
42:58
I
42:58
do
42:58
it.
42:58
So
42:59
it's
42:59
your
42:59
general
42:59
introduction.
43:01
Now,
43:02
home
43:03
education
43:04
has
43:04
to
43:04
be
43:04
suitable
43:05
to
43:05
the
43:05
individual
43:06
child's
43:06
age,
43:06
ability,
43:07
aptitude
43:08
and
43:08
special
43:08
needs.
43:09
How
43:10
can
43:10
you
43:10
explain
43:11
it's
43:11
suitable
43:11
if
43:11
you
43:12
don't
43:12
explain
43:12
the
43:12
individual
43:13
child?
43:14
So
43:14
you
43:15
then
43:15
need
43:15
to
43:15
give
43:16
some
43:16
detail
43:17
about
43:17
the
43:18
child.
43:19
So,
43:19
for
43:19
example,
43:20
Fred
43:21
is
43:21
a
43:21
lively
43:22
five
43:22
year
43:22
old
43:23
who
43:23
enjoys
43:24
the
43:25
outside,
43:27
tractors,
43:28
cars
43:28
and
43:29
other
43:29
vehicles.
43:30
He's
43:31
not
43:31
keen
43:31
on
43:31
sitting
43:32
down
43:32
and
43:32
doing
43:32
blah,
43:33
blah.
43:33
So
43:34
you
43:34
give
43:34
a
43:34
little
43:34
bit
43:34
of
43:35
information.
43:35
If
43:36
the
43:36
child's
43:36
got
43:36
special
43:37
needs,
43:38
you
43:38
explain
43:39
and
43:39
outline
43:39
what
43:39
those
43:40
special
43:40
needs
43:40
are.
43:41
But
43:41
please,
43:42
please,
43:42
please
43:42
don't
43:43
do
43:43
it
43:43
at
43:43
too
43:43
much
43:44
length.
43:44
The
43:44
local
43:44
authority
43:45
is
43:45
not
43:47
entitled
43:47
or
43:48
nor
43:48
should
43:48
they
43:49
be
43:49
given
43:49
complex
43:50
medical
43:50
information.
43:51
What
43:52
they
43:52
need
43:52
to
43:52
know
43:53
is
43:53
what
43:53
is
43:54
the
43:54
need
43:55
and
43:55
how
43:55
does
43:55
it
43:56
affect
43:56
the
43:56
education?
43:57
I've
43:57
seen
43:58
reports
43:58
in
43:58
which
43:59
two
43:59
pages
43:59
were
44:00
allocated
44:00
to
44:01
explaining
44:01
bowel
44:02
difficulties.
44:03
The
44:03
local
44:04
authority
44:04
doesn't
44:04
need
44:05
that.
44:05
What
44:06
they
44:06
need
44:06
is
44:07
Fred
44:08
has
44:08
dyslexia
44:09
and
44:09
therefore
44:10
finds
44:11
reading
44:11
and
44:12
writing
44:12
very
44:12
difficult.
44:14
So
44:14
they
44:14
want
44:14
to
44:15
know,
44:15
does
44:15
this
44:16
child
44:16
have
44:17
a
44:17
need
44:17
which
44:18
creates
44:18
an
44:19
educational
44:20
challenge?
44:20
So
44:21
you
44:21
cover
44:21
that
44:22
in
44:22
the
44:22
about
44:23
the
44:23
child.
44:24
The
44:24
local
44:24
authority
44:25
has
44:25
an
44:25
absolute
44:26
right
44:27
to
44:27
ask
44:27
for
44:27
information
44:28
about
44:28
literacy
44:28
and
44:29
numeracy.
44:30
That
44:30
comes
44:30
from
44:31
the
44:31
case
44:31
Harrison
44:32
v.
44:32
Harrison
44:33
Harrison
44:33
Harrison
44:34
versus
44:34
the
44:35
United
44:35
Kingdom.
44:35
Sorry,
44:37
a
44:37
lady
44:38
called
44:38
Iris
44:38
Harrison.
44:40
Now,
44:41
what
44:42
that
44:42
means
44:42
is
44:43
you
44:43
have
44:43
got
44:43
to
44:44
give
44:44
detail
44:44
about
44:45
literacy
44:45
and
44:46
numeracy.
44:47
That
44:47
doesn't
44:47
mean
44:47
to
44:48
say
44:48
you
44:48
should
44:49
be
44:49
writing,
44:50
you
44:50
know.
44:51
Fred
44:51
sat
44:51
down
44:51
and
44:52
did
44:52
a
44:52
test
44:52
sheet
44:52
and
44:53
a
44:53
workshop.
44:53
It
44:54
can
44:54
be
44:54
learning
44:55
through
44:55
life.
44:56
Say,
44:56
for
44:57
example,
44:57
the
44:57
child
44:57
is
44:58
unschooled.
44:59
That
44:59
child
45:00
must
45:00
still
45:00
be
45:01
gaining
45:02
numeracy
45:02
and
45:02
literacy
45:03
skills.
45:04
So
45:04
you
45:04
have
45:04
to
45:04
detail
45:05
how
45:05
they're
45:06
doing
45:06
it.
45:07
And
45:07
you
45:07
would
45:07
explain
45:08
that,
45:08
for
45:08
example,
45:09
it
45:09
might
45:10
be
45:10
by.
45:14
Fred
45:14
has
45:14
started
45:15
paying
45:15
for
45:15
his
45:15
own
45:16
purchases
45:16
at
45:17
the
45:17
shop.
45:18
For
45:18
example,
45:20
he
45:20
wanted
45:21
to
45:21
buy
45:22
a
45:23
Lego
45:23
set.
45:24
He.
45:25
He
45:25
had
45:25
saved
45:25
up
45:26
such
45:26
and
45:26
such
45:27
an
45:27
amount
45:27
in
45:27
his
45:27
bank
45:28
account.
45:29
He
45:29
looked
45:29
online
45:30
to
45:30
see
45:30
what
45:30
the
45:31
best
45:31
value
45:32
was
45:32
and
45:33
decided
45:33
that
45:33
the
45:34
best
45:34
value
45:34
was
45:34
at
45:34
a
45:35
local
45:35
shop
45:35
called
45:36
Mr.
45:36
Jones's
45:37
Shop.
45:37
Fred
45:38
went
45:38
there,
45:38
paid
45:39
with
45:39
a
45:39
20
45:39
pound
45:40
note
45:40
and
45:41
was
45:41
able
45:41
to
45:41
calculate
45:42
that
45:42
he
45:42
should
45:43
have
45:43
one
45:43
peak
45:43
change
45:44
because
45:44
Lego's
45:44
so
45:45
darned
45:45
expensive.
45:46
So
45:47
you
45:47
can
45:47
explain
45:47
it,
45:48
but
45:48
you've
45:48
got
45:48
to
45:49
detail
45:49
numeracy
45:50
and
45:50
literacy.
45:51
Now,
45:51
literacy
45:52
is
45:52
not
45:53
just
45:54
reading
45:54
and
45:54
writing.
45:55
Literacy
45:56
is
45:57
conversation,
45:58
it's
45:59
theatre,
46:00
it's
46:02
discussion
46:03
about
46:03
facts.
46:04
That's
46:04
not
46:05
just
46:05
conversation,
46:07
it's
46:08
talking
46:08
about
46:09
things
46:09
that
46:09
you
46:10
see.
46:10
Reading
46:10
signs
46:11
to
46:11
the
46:11
child,
46:13
it's
46:13
exposing
46:14
the
46:14
child
46:15
to
46:15
text,
46:16
it's
46:17
reading
46:17
to
46:17
the
46:18
child.
46:19
Literacy
46:20
is
46:20
much
46:21
more
46:21
wide
46:21
ranging.
46:22
So
46:22
if
46:22
your
46:22
child
46:23
is
46:23
not
46:23
reading
46:23
and
46:24
writing,
46:25
that
46:25
does
46:25
not
46:25
mean
46:25
to
46:26
say
46:26
they're
46:26
not
46:26
gaining
46:26
literacy
46:27
skills.
46:28
So
46:29
local
46:30
authorities
46:30
are
46:31
not
46:31
entitled
46:32
to
46:33
expect
46:34
a
46:34
parent
46:34
to
46:35
be
46:35
providing
46:35
a
46:36
broad
46:36
and
46:36
balanced
46:37
curriculum.
46:38
Some
46:38
ask
46:39
for
46:39
it,
46:39
they're
46:40
not
46:40
entitled
46:40
to
46:41
it.
46:41
That
46:42
is
46:42
the
46:42
regulation
46:43
for
46:43
independent
46:44
schools.
46:46
But
46:47
if
46:47
you
46:48
are
46:48
not
46:48
providing
46:50
broad
46:50
learning
46:51
to
46:51
your
46:51
child,
46:52
it's
46:53
possible
46:53
that
46:54
that
46:54
education
46:55
may
46:55
not
46:55
be
46:55
suitable
46:56
because
46:57
the
46:57
child's
46:58
understanding
46:58
could
46:58
be
46:59
restricted.
47:00
So
47:00
if
47:01
you're
47:01
using
47:02
sort
47:02
of
47:02
workbooks
47:03
and
47:04
subject
47:04
style
47:05
approach,
47:05
set
47:06
your
47:06
report
47:06
out
47:07
subject
47:07
by
47:07
subject,
47:08
using
47:09
the
47:09
subjects
47:10
and
47:10
explaining
47:11
what
47:11
the
47:12
child
47:12
is
47:12
doing,
47:12
how
47:13
they're
47:13
doing
47:13
it,
47:14
how
47:14
they
47:14
engage
47:15
with
47:15
the
47:15
learning
47:16
and
47:16
any
47:17
progress
47:17
they're
47:17
making
47:17
and
47:18
engaging
47:18
with
47:18
the
47:18
learning
47:19
is
47:19
simply
47:19
like
47:21
things
47:21
like.
47:21
Fred
47:22
was
47:23
really
47:23
excited
47:24
to
47:24
go
47:24
to
47:25
the
47:25
Imperial
47:26
War
47:26
Museum
47:27
because
47:27
he
47:27
was
47:28
interested
47:28
in
47:28
seeing
47:29
X
47:30
Guns.
47:31
Fred
47:32
saw
47:32
this
47:32
and
47:33
compared
47:33
it
47:33
too.
47:34
So
47:34
you're
47:34
talking
47:35
about
47:35
the
47:35
engagement.
47:37
Even
47:37
if
47:37
you
47:37
use
47:37
an
47:37
unschooling
47:38
style,
47:39
you
47:39
can
47:39
break
47:39
it
47:40
down
47:40
by
47:40
subjects.
47:41
And
47:42
if
47:42
you
47:42
can,
47:43
it's
47:43
helpful
47:44
because
47:44
that's
47:44
how
47:45
local
47:45
authorities
47:45
think.
47:46
It
47:46
makes
47:46
it
47:47
easier
47:47
for
47:47
them
47:48
if
47:49
you
47:49
are
47:49
unschooling.
47:50
I've
47:50
seen
47:50
some
47:51
wonderful
47:51
reports
47:52
that
47:52
the
47:52
whole
47:53
report
47:53
is
47:54
just
47:54
A
47:54
story
47:54
of
47:55
how
47:55
a
47:55
child
47:55
developed
47:56
a
47:56
project
47:57
and
47:57
you
47:57
can
47:58
do
47:58
it
47:58
that
47:58
way.
47:59
But
48:00
in
48:01
that
48:01
report,
48:02
refer
48:02
to
48:03
things.
48:03
For
48:03
example,
48:03
if,
48:04
if
48:04
the
48:04
child's
48:05
project
48:05
is
48:07
building
48:07
a
48:08
roller
48:08
coaster
48:08
in
48:08
the
48:09
garden.
48:09
I
48:09
use
48:09
that
48:10
because
48:10
we
48:10
did
48:10
it.
48:12
How
48:12
did
48:13
the
48:13
child
48:13
source
48:13
the
48:14
wood?
48:14
Did
48:14
the
48:14
child
48:14
look
48:15
where
48:15
the
48:15
wood
48:16
came
48:16
from?
48:17
What
48:17
sort
48:18
of
48:18
piping
48:19
did
48:19
they
48:19
use?
48:19
And
48:20
how
48:20
did
48:20
they
48:20
decide?
48:21
How
48:22
did
48:22
they
48:22
decide
48:22
the
48:23
angles?
48:24
Did
48:25
they
48:25
work
48:25
out
48:26
how
48:26
much
48:26
it
48:27
would
48:27
cost?
48:28
Did
48:28
they
48:28
work
48:28
out
48:29
the
48:29
physics
48:29
of
48:30
it?
48:30
Did
48:30
they
48:31
look
48:31
at
48:32
how
48:32
it
48:32
was
48:33
going
48:33
to
48:33
get
48:33
here,
48:34
the
48:34
geography
48:35
of
48:35
it?
48:35
And
48:35
you
48:36
can
48:36
take
48:36
a
48:36
project
48:37
and
48:37
you
48:37
can
48:37
present
48:38
those
48:38
aspects.
48:40
You
48:40
also
48:40
need
48:42
to
48:42
make
48:42
clear
48:43
that
48:43
the
48:43
child
48:43
is
48:44
getting
48:44
some
48:45
form
48:45
of
48:46
social
48:47
opportunity.
48:49
Now,
48:49
you
48:49
can
48:49
give
48:49
a
48:49
child
48:50
social
48:50
opportunity
48:51
and
48:51
they
48:51
won't
48:51
take
48:51
advantage
48:52
of
48:52
it,
48:52
but
48:53
you
48:53
should
48:53
be
48:53
giving
48:54
them
48:54
the
48:54
opportunity.
48:56
So
48:56
the
48:57
local
48:57
authority
48:58
is
48:58
entitled
48:59
to
48:59
know
49:00
whether
49:00
or
49:00
not
49:01
that
49:01
child
49:01
is
49:02
locked
49:02
in
49:02
a
49:02
room
49:03
with,
49:04
you
49:04
know,
49:04
or
49:05
up
49:05
a
49:05
chimney.
49:07
So
49:07
it
49:07
will
49:08
want
49:08
to
49:08
know
49:09
whether
49:09
the
49:10
child
49:10
has
49:10
social
49:10
opportunities.
49:11
So
49:12
it's
49:12
worth
49:12
mentioning.
49:13
Fred
49:14
goes
49:14
to
49:15
home
49:15
education
49:16
groups
49:16
twice
49:16
a
49:17
week.
49:17
He
49:17
loves
49:18
going
49:18
to
49:18
the
49:18
park
49:18
where
49:18
he
49:19
meets
49:19
other
49:19
children.
49:20
He
49:20
has
49:21
friends,
49:22
including
49:22
a
49:22
best
49:23
friend
49:23
who
49:23
he
49:23
often
49:24
plays
49:25
with.
49:25
And
49:25
the
49:26
reason
49:26
for
49:26
that
49:26
is
49:26
you
49:27
then
49:27
tick
49:27
their
49:27
box
49:28
is
49:28
that
49:28
this
49:28
one
49:28
isn't
49:29
a
49:29
safeguarding
49:30
risk.
49:30
They're
49:30
getting
49:30
social
49:31
opportunity.
49:32
They're
49:32
not
49:32
restricted.
49:35
They
49:35
also
49:35
will
49:36
want
49:36
to
49:36
know
49:37
about
49:38
resources.
49:39
So
49:39
at
49:39
the
49:40
end,
49:40
a
49:40
resources
49:41
list.
49:41
Resources
49:42
list.
49:44
Fred
49:44
has
49:45
a
49:45
laptop,
49:46
iPad,
49:47
whatever.
49:48
And
49:49
if
49:49
you
49:49
say
49:49
a
49:49
book,
49:50
for
49:50
example,
49:51
cpg
49:53
Maths
49:53
for
49:53
Beginners,
49:55
put
49:56
what
49:56
level
49:56
it
49:57
is.
49:57
Because
49:57
if
49:57
your
49:58
child's
49:59
12
50:00
and
50:02
it's
50:02
a
50:02
book
50:02
for
50:03
age
50:03
5,
50:03
it's
50:04
not
50:04
right
50:05
necessarily.
50:05
It
50:06
might
50:06
be
50:06
for
50:06
some
50:07
12
50:07
year
50:07
olds.
50:08
If
50:08
the
50:09
child's
50:09
5
50:10
and
50:11
it's
50:11
a
50:12
key
50:13
stage
50:13
3
50:14
book,
50:14
it's
50:14
pretty
50:15
amazing.
50:16
Support
50:16
it,
50:16
support
50:17
the
50:17
level.
50:17
So
50:18
that's
50:18
what
50:18
you
50:18
need
50:18
to
50:18
include.
50:19
Okay.
50:20
So
50:21
it
50:21
sounds
50:22
to
50:22
me
50:22
like
50:23
it's
50:23
about
50:24
offering
50:25
information
50:26
and
50:26
balancing
50:27
how
50:27
much
50:27
you
50:28
give.
50:29
I'm
50:29
guessing
50:30
you're
50:30
talking
50:30
a
50:30
couple
50:31
of
50:31
pages
50:31
of
50:32
A4
50:32
or
50:32
something
50:32
like
50:33
that.
50:33
As
50:33
a
50:33
general
50:33
rule,
50:35
it
50:35
used
50:35
to
50:35
be
50:36
that
50:36
a
50:36
couple
50:36
of
50:37
pages
50:37
of
50:37
A4
50:38
would
50:38
be
50:38
adequate
50:38
for
50:39
most
50:39
local
50:39
authorities.
50:40
Nowadays,
50:40
you're
50:41
probably
50:41
looking
50:42
at
50:42
around
50:43
three
50:43
and
50:43
a
50:44
half,
50:44
four.
50:45
Okay.
50:45
And
50:45
you
50:46
mentioned
50:46
also
50:47
earlier
50:47
on
50:48
that
50:48
there
50:48
are
50:48
a
50:48
couple
50:48
of
50:49
particular
50:49
las
50:50
that
50:50
are
50:50
harder
50:51
to
50:51
deal
50:51
with
50:51
for
50:52
those.
50:52
Should
50:52
you
50:52
have
50:53
a
50:53
different
50:53
approach
50:53
and
50:54
what
50:54
are
50:54
those
50:54
las?
50:55
Because
50:55
I
50:55
know
50:55
that
50:55
people
50:56
listening
50:56
are
50:56
going
50:56
to
50:56
be
50:56
like,
50:57
is
50:57
this
50:57
my
50:57
la?
50:57
Do
50:58
I
50:58
need
50:58
to
50:58
be
50:58
Worried
50:58
about
50:58
it.
50:59
For
50:59
example,
51:00
the
51:00
former
51:00
Triborough
51:01
local
51:02
authorities
51:02
will
51:03
not,
51:03
not
51:03
accept
51:04
a
51:04
report
51:04
from
51:05
a
51:05
parent.
51:07
They
51:08
will
51:08
insist
51:08
on
51:09
meeting.
51:10
They
51:10
will
51:10
not
51:10
accept
51:11
a
51:11
report.
51:11
They
51:12
have
51:12
been
51:12
told
51:12
that
51:13
that's
51:13
not
51:13
legal,
51:14
but
51:15
they
51:15
included
51:16
by
51:16
the
51:16
former
51:16
chair
51:17
of
51:17
the
51:17
Education
51:18
Committee.
51:18
They
51:19
still
51:19
insist
51:20
on
51:20
doing
51:20
it.
51:20
They
51:21
still
51:21
insist
51:21
that
51:22
they're
51:22
right
51:22
to
51:22
do
51:23
so.
51:23
What
51:24
was
51:24
the
51:24
name
51:24
of
51:24
that
51:24
local
51:25
authority?
51:25
Sorry,
51:26
former
51:26
Triborough.
51:27
Now
51:27
Triborough
51:28
was.
51:30
It
51:30
was
51:30
Westminster,
51:32
Hammersmith
51:33
and
51:33
Fulham
51:34
and,
51:35
hold
51:35
on
51:35
a
51:36
second,
51:37
Kensington
51:38
and
51:38
Chelsea.
51:39
So
51:39
that's
51:39
Westminster,
51:40
Hammersmith
51:41
and
51:41
Fulham
51:41
and
51:42
Kensington
51:42
and
51:42
Chelsea.
51:44
They
51:44
have
51:45
been
51:46
difficult
51:47
for
51:47
at
51:48
least
51:48
12
51:49
years
51:50
now.
51:51
If
51:51
you
51:52
stand
51:52
your
51:53
ground
51:53
and
51:53
dig
51:54
your
51:54
heels
51:54
in,
51:55
they
51:55
will
51:55
eventually
51:56
say
51:56
to
51:56
you,
51:57
okay,
51:57
we
51:58
will
51:58
accept
51:58
a
51:59
report
51:59
from
52:00
a
52:00
third
52:01
party
52:01
professional
52:02
directly
52:03
involved
52:03
with,
52:03
with
52:03
the
52:04
child's
52:04
education.
52:06
Very,
52:06
very
52:06
rarely
52:07
would
52:07
they
52:07
do
52:07
so.
52:08
They
52:08
will
52:08
normally
52:09
find
52:09
a
52:09
reason
52:09
not
52:09
to
52:10
do
52:10
so.
52:13
The
52:14
most
52:14
difficult
52:14
local
52:15
authority
52:17
parents
52:17
tell
52:18
us
52:18
is
52:18
Portsmouth.
52:20
Portsmouth.
52:21
I've
52:22
seen
52:22
them
52:23
refuse
52:24
200
52:24
page
52:25
reports.
52:26
I've
52:26
seen
52:26
them
52:27
serve
52:27
school
52:27
attendance
52:28
orders
52:28
on
52:29
parents
52:29
who've
52:29
shown
52:30
them
52:30
a
52:30
stack
52:31
that
52:31
high
52:31
of
52:32
workbooks.
52:35
They
52:36
have
52:36
an
52:37
ethos
52:37
of
52:37
children
52:38
are
52:38
better
52:38
off
52:38
in
52:39
school.
52:39
Home
52:39
education
52:40
is
52:40
wrong.
52:41
They're
52:42
looking
52:42
for
52:42
replication
52:43
of
52:43
school
52:43
at
52:44
home.
52:45
And
52:45
high
52:45
proportions
52:46
of
52:47
parents
52:48
in
52:48
that
52:48
area
52:49
do
52:49
end
52:50
up
52:50
being
52:50
taken
52:51
to
52:51
court.
52:52
If
52:53
you
52:53
live
52:53
in
52:53
that
52:53
area,
52:55
the
52:55
best
52:55
advice
52:56
I
52:56
can
52:56
give
52:56
to
52:57
you
52:57
is
52:58
respond
52:58
to
52:59
every
52:59
single
52:59
communication,
53:01
provide
53:01
information
53:02
which
53:02
is
53:02
reasonable
53:03
in
53:03
response
53:04
to
53:04
it.
53:05
Just
53:05
expect
53:05
to
53:06
end
53:06
up
53:06
in
53:06
court
53:08
if
53:08
you
53:08
don't
53:08
say
53:09
how
53:09
high
53:09
when
53:10
they
53:10
say
53:10
jump.
53:10
And
53:11
when
53:11
you
53:11
do
53:11
end
53:11
up
53:11
in
53:12
court,
53:12
present
53:12
your
53:13
case
53:13
well.
53:14
And
53:14
a
53:15
lot
53:15
of
53:15
parents
53:15
in
53:16
Portsmouth
53:16
do
53:17
win
53:17
their
53:17
cases,
53:18
although
53:18
some
53:18
don't.
53:20
Okay,
53:20
that's
53:21
interesting
53:21
to
53:21
know.
53:22
So
53:22
when
53:22
it
53:22
comes
53:23
to
53:24
parents
53:24
rights,
53:24
is
53:25
there
53:25
anything
53:25
that
53:25
we
53:26
haven't
53:26
covered
53:26
there,
53:27
do
53:27
you
53:27
think?
53:27
Yes,
53:28
absolutely.
53:31
Parents
53:32
often
53:32
believe
53:32
that
53:33
they
53:33
have
53:33
an
53:33
absolute
53:33
right
53:34
to
53:34
home
53:34
educate.
53:35
But
53:36
in
53:36
this
53:36
country
53:36
we
53:37
have
53:37
different
53:37
rights.
53:38
We
53:39
have
53:39
rights
53:39
that
53:39
are
53:39
absolute
53:40
and
53:40
we
53:40
have
53:41
rights
53:41
that
53:41
are
53:42
qualified
53:43
rights.
53:43
What
53:44
that
53:44
means
53:44
is
53:46
that
53:46
a
53:46
qualified
53:47
right
53:47
is
53:47
a
53:47
right
53:48
that
53:48
you
53:48
hold,
53:48
provided
53:49
it
53:49
doesn't
53:49
break
53:50
another
53:50
person's
53:51
rights
53:52
or
53:52
the
53:52
law.
53:53
So
53:53
a
53:54
parent
53:54
has
53:54
an
53:54
absolute
53:55
right
53:55
to
53:55
home
53:56
educate,
53:57
provided
53:57
that
53:57
the
53:58
home
53:58
education
53:59
is
53:59
suitable.
54:01
Now,
54:01
if
54:02
the
54:02
home
54:02
education
54:03
is
54:03
not
54:03
suitable,
54:04
the
54:04
parent
54:04
can
54:05
lose
54:05
that
54:05
right
54:06
to
54:06
home
54:06
educate
54:07
and
54:07
the
54:07
child
54:08
can
54:08
become
54:08
subject
54:08
to
54:09
a
54:09
school
54:09
attendance
54:10
order.
54:11
So
54:11
it
54:11
isn't
54:12
your
54:12
right
54:13
to
54:13
home
54:13
educate,
54:15
it's
54:15
your
54:15
qualified
54:16
right
54:16
to
54:17
home
54:17
educate.
54:19
Now
54:19
we
54:19
have
54:19
another
54:20
section
54:21
of
54:21
parents,
54:22
parents
54:22
whose
54:23
child
54:23
is
54:23
in
54:24
a
54:24
special
54:25
school
54:26
by
54:26
arrangement
54:27
with
54:27
the
54:27
local
54:27
authority.
54:28
If
54:28
your
54:29
child
54:29
goes
54:29
to
54:29
an
54:30
independent
54:30
school
54:31
and
54:31
it's
54:32
because
54:32
you've
54:33
registered
54:33
them
54:33
there,
54:34
you
54:34
pay
54:34
the
54:34
fees
54:35
and
54:35
it's
54:35
your
54:35
choice,
54:36
this
54:37
doesn't
54:37
apply.
54:38
But
54:38
if
54:38
the
54:38
child's
54:39
EHCP
54:40
named
54:40
a
54:40
special
54:41
school
54:41
and
54:41
the
54:42
child
54:42
attends
54:43
that
54:43
school
54:43
school
54:43
because
54:44
the
54:45
local
54:45
authority
54:46
arranged
54:46
it,
54:47
then
54:49
there
54:49
is
54:49
a
54:50
legal
54:50
requirement
54:51
under
54:51
a
54:52
regulation
54:53
for
54:53
you
54:53
to
54:54
seek
54:54
consent
54:55
if
54:55
you
54:56
wish
54:56
to
54:56
remove
54:57
your
54:57
child
54:57
from
54:57
the
54:58
school
54:58
role.
54:59
Now,
55:00
there's
55:00
something
55:01
very
55:01
interesting
55:02
about
55:02
this
55:03
that
55:03
doesn't
55:04
mean
55:04
to
55:04
say
55:04
you
55:05
can't
55:05
just
55:05
start
55:05
home
55:06
educating
55:06
your
55:07
child
55:08
because
55:09
a
55:09
special
55:10
school
55:10
place
55:10
is
55:10
an
55:11
offer,
55:11
it's
55:12
not
55:12
a
55:12
legal
55:12
duty.
55:14
Therefore,
55:14
legally,
55:15
the
55:15
parent
55:16
can
55:16
actually
55:17
start
55:17
home
55:17
educating,
55:18
ask
55:19
for
55:19
consent
55:19
to
55:20
remove
55:20
from
55:20
the
55:20
role.
55:21
But
55:21
if
55:21
they
55:22
do
55:22
that
55:23
and
55:23
the
55:23
local
55:24
authority
55:24
decides
55:25
not
55:25
to
55:25
give
55:26
consent,
55:27
then
55:27
the
55:27
parent
55:28
can
55:28
be
55:28
Prosecuted
55:29
under
55:29
section
55:30
444
55:31
of
55:31
the
55:31
Education
55:31
act
55:32
for
55:32
failing
55:32
to
55:34
ensure
55:34
the
55:35
child
55:35
support
55:36
attendance
55:36
at
55:36
the
55:37
school.
55:37
But
55:38
there
55:38
is
55:38
actually
55:38
nothing
55:39
legally
55:39
to
55:40
stop
55:40
you
55:40
commencing
55:41
home
55:41
education
55:42
straight
55:42
away.
55:43
You
55:43
need
55:43
consent
55:44
to
55:44
remove
55:45
from
55:45
the
55:45
role.
55:46
The
55:46
local
55:46
authority
55:47
cannot
55:48
unreasonably
55:49
withhold
55:49
that
55:50
consent.
55:51
And
55:53
if
55:53
it
55:53
does,
55:53
you
55:54
can
55:54
appeal
55:54
to
55:54
the
55:54
Secretary
55:55
of
55:55
State.
55:56
So
55:56
you
55:56
do
55:57
have
55:57
a
55:57
right.
55:57
Even
55:58
with
55:58
a
55:59
child
55:59
in
55:59
a
55:59
special
56:00
school.
56:01
Something
56:01
that
56:02
causes
56:02
confusion
56:03
is
56:03
if
56:03
a
56:03
child
56:04
has
56:04
an
56:04
EHCP
56:05
which
56:05
names
56:06
a
56:06
special
56:06
school,
56:08
or
56:08
if
56:09
the
56:09
child
56:10
is
56:11
in
56:11
a
56:11
PRU
56:12
or
56:13
the
56:13
child
56:13
is
56:13
in
56:14
a
56:14
special
56:14
unit
56:15
in
56:15
a
56:15
mainstream
56:16
school,
56:17
you
56:17
do
56:18
not
56:18
need
56:19
permission
56:21
to
56:21
remove
56:21
the
56:22
child
56:22
from
56:22
the
56:22
school
56:22
role.
56:23
It's
56:23
only
56:24
if
56:24
it's
56:24
in
56:24
a
56:25
special
56:25
school
56:25
by
56:26
arrangement
56:26
of
56:26
the
56:26
local
56:27
authority.
56:28
Another
56:29
aspect
56:29
of
56:29
that
56:30
is
56:31
it
56:31
is
56:31
the
56:32
parent's
56:32
right
56:33
to
56:33
choose
56:34
whether
56:34
to
56:34
register
56:35
the
56:35
child.
56:36
So
56:36
if
56:36
your
56:37
child's
56:37
EHCP
56:38
names
56:39
a
56:39
special
56:39
school
56:40
or
56:40
a
56:40
mainstream
56:41
school
56:41
that
56:42
does
56:42
not
56:42
register
56:43
the
56:43
child
56:44
and
56:44
the
56:44
local
56:44
authority
56:45
cannot
56:46
register
56:47
the
56:47
child.
56:48
Some
56:48
schools
56:49
put
56:49
the
56:49
child
56:49
on
56:50
the
56:50
register.
56:50
That
56:51
is
56:51
not
56:51
legal.
56:52
They
56:52
cannot
56:52
do
56:52
that.
56:55
I
56:55
think
56:56
that
56:56
that
56:57
probably
56:57
covers
56:58
the
56:58
bits
56:58
we
56:58
haven't
56:59
covered.
57:01
I
57:01
wanted
57:02
to
57:02
ask
57:02
you
57:02
just
57:03
to
57:03
finish
57:03
up,
57:04
having
57:05
seen
57:05
the
57:05
home
57:05
education
57:06
community
57:07
over
57:07
the
57:07
last
57:09
45
57:10
years,
57:10
I
57:11
guess.
57:11
40,
57:11
45
57:12
years.
57:12
Right.
57:13
What
57:13
would
57:13
you
57:13
say,
57:14
looking
57:15
at,
57:15
and
57:15
you
57:15
mentioned
57:16
a
57:16
little
57:16
bit
57:16
earlier
57:16
on,
57:17
about
57:17
the
57:17
shift
57:17
between
57:18
what
57:19
in
57:19
my
57:19
head
57:19
I
57:20
kind
57:20
of
57:20
see
57:20
as
57:20
ideological
57:21
home
57:21
educators
57:22
and
57:23
it's
57:23
more
57:23
reluctant
57:24
home
57:24
educators.
57:24
And
57:25
that
57:25
has
57:25
definitely
57:25
been
57:26
something
57:26
that
57:26
I've
57:27
personally
57:27
noticed
57:28
in
57:28
the
57:28
last
57:28
10
57:28
years.
57:29
Quite
57:29
a,
57:29
quite
57:29
a
57:30
sizable
57:30
shift
57:30
just
57:31
in
57:31
our
57:31
home
57:31
ed
57:32
meetups.
57:32
What
57:33
would
57:33
you
57:33
say
57:33
is
57:33
the
57:33
most
57:34
important
57:35
thing
57:35
that
57:36
we're
57:36
going
57:36
to
57:36
face
57:37
as
57:37
a
57:37
home
57:37
education
57:38
community
57:38
in
57:38
the
57:39
future,
57:39
or
57:39
in
57:39
fact,
57:40
are
57:40
facing
57:40
at
57:40
the
57:40
moment.
57:42
This
57:42
actually
57:43
comes
57:43
from
57:43
two
57:44
directions.
57:46
Parents
57:46
coming
57:47
reluctantly
57:48
to
57:48
home
57:48
education
57:49
often
57:49
haven't
57:50
had
57:50
an
57:50
opportunity
57:50
to
57:51
research
57:51
it.
57:51
They
57:52
lack
57:52
understanding.
57:53
It's
57:53
not
57:54
their
57:54
fault.
57:54
I'm
57:54
not
57:55
attributing
57:55
blame
57:56
to
57:56
them,
57:56
but
57:57
for
57:57
example,
57:57
we've
57:58
taken
57:58
calls
57:59
on
57:59
the
57:59
helpline
57:59
and
58:00
I
58:00
know
58:00
from
58:00
my
58:01
CPD
58:01
with
58:02
local
58:02
authorities
58:03
that
58:03
they
58:04
receive
58:04
similar
58:05
calls
58:05
from
58:06
parents
58:06
saying,
58:07
when
58:07
will
58:07
the
58:07
local
58:07
authority
58:09
send
58:10
me
58:10
work
58:10
for
58:11
my
58:11
child?
58:12
When
58:12
do
58:12
I
58:13
get
58:13
paid
58:13
for
58:13
the
58:14
things
58:14
I
58:14
have
58:14
to
58:15
buy?
58:15
And
58:16
they
58:16
come
58:16
sometimes
58:18
with
58:18
absolutely
58:19
no
58:19
knowledge.
58:21
Now,
58:21
they
58:21
also
58:22
often
58:22
come
58:23
having
58:23
felt
58:24
let
58:24
down,
58:25
having
58:25
felt
58:25
damaged,
58:26
sometimes
58:26
having
58:27
felt
58:27
punished
58:28
by
58:29
public
58:29
bodies.
58:30
And
58:30
that
58:31
makes
58:31
them
58:31
quite
58:32
vulnerable
58:33
because
58:34
they're
58:34
scared
58:35
of
58:35
local
58:36
authority
58:36
involvement.
58:38
And
58:38
that
58:38
makes
58:38
them
58:39
very
58:39
vulnerable
58:40
because
58:40
they're
58:41
not
58:41
sure
58:41
how
58:41
to
58:42
respond.
58:43
So
58:43
I
58:43
think
58:43
it's
58:44
really,
58:44
really
58:44
important
58:45
that
58:46
those
58:46
parents
58:47
coming
58:48
new
58:48
reluctantly,
58:50
even
58:51
if
58:51
you've
58:51
just
58:51
suddenly
58:52
one
58:52
day
58:53
it's
58:54
been
58:54
thrust
58:54
upon
58:55
you,
58:56
they
58:56
need
58:56
to
58:58
seek
58:58
advice
58:58
from
58:59
reputable
58:59
sources
59:01
because
59:01
that
59:01
way
59:02
they
59:02
will
59:02
be
59:02
supported
59:03
through
59:04
to
59:04
getting
59:04
it
59:05
right.
59:05
So
59:06
that
59:06
is
59:06
a
59:07
challenge
59:07
for
59:08
home
59:08
education,
59:09
because
59:09
what's
59:09
happening
59:10
is
59:11
those
59:11
parents
59:12
are
59:13
becoming
59:14
a
59:15
much
59:15
larger
59:16
proportion
59:16
of
59:17
the
59:17
community
59:17
as
59:18
a
59:18
whole,
59:19
and
59:19
their
59:20
lack
59:20
of
59:20
knowledge,
59:21
which
59:21
is
59:22
not
59:22
their
59:22
fault,
59:23
is
59:23
being
59:24
exploited
59:26
as
59:26
a
59:27
reason
59:27
to
59:27
say
59:28
one
59:29
of
59:29
the
59:29
reasons
59:29
to
59:29
say
59:30
that
59:30
more
59:30
control
59:30
over
59:31
home
59:31
education
59:32
is
59:32
needed.
59:33
So
59:34
what's
59:34
happening
59:35
is
59:36
schools
59:37
are
59:38
failing
59:38
a
59:39
lot
59:39
of
59:39
children.
59:39
The
59:40
special
59:40
needs
59:40
system,
59:41
particularly
59:42
home
59:42
education,
59:43
is
59:43
picking
59:44
up
59:44
the
59:44
pieces,
59:45
and
59:46
some
59:47
governmental
59:48
individuals
59:49
are
59:50
then
59:50
attributing
59:51
blame
59:52
for
59:52
that
59:52
failure
59:53
in
59:53
the
59:53
schools
59:54
to
59:54
home
59:54
education.
59:56
So
59:56
that's
59:56
a
59:57
challenge
59:57
for
59:58
the
59:58
community
59:58
as
59:58
a
59:59
whole
59:59
and
59:59
for
1:00:00
those
1:00:00
parents
1:00:01
who
1:00:01
actually
1:00:01
need
1:00:01
support,
1:00:02
not
1:00:02
condemnation.
1:00:04
But
1:00:05
that
1:00:05
also
1:00:05
brings
1:00:06
a
1:00:06
challenge
1:00:08
to
1:00:08
what
1:00:09
I
1:00:09
would
1:00:09
call
1:00:09
traditional
1:00:10
home
1:00:10
educators,
1:00:12
because
1:00:13
it
1:00:14
can
1:00:14
feel
1:00:14
quite
1:00:15
frightening
1:00:17
to
1:00:17
have
1:00:17
your
1:00:18
standards,
1:00:19
your
1:00:19
beliefs,
1:00:19
your
1:00:20
way
1:00:20
of
1:00:20
doing
1:00:21
things,
1:00:22
completely
1:00:23
overhauled
1:00:24
by
1:00:24
what
1:00:24
are
1:00:25
seen
1:00:25
as
1:00:25
newcomers
1:00:26
coming
1:00:27
into
1:00:27
your
1:00:28
community
1:00:29
and
1:00:29
telling
1:00:29
you
1:00:30
that
1:00:30
you're
1:00:30
wrong,
1:00:30
you're
1:00:31
not
1:00:31
doing
1:00:31
things
1:00:31
correctly,
1:00:32
why
1:00:32
aren't
1:00:32
you
1:00:32
doing
1:00:33
this?
1:00:34
And
1:00:34
it's
1:00:34
natural.
1:00:35
When
1:00:35
people
1:00:35
have
1:00:36
different
1:00:36
backgrounds,
1:00:37
it
1:00:37
doesn't
1:00:37
mean
1:00:38
one
1:00:38
is
1:00:38
wrong
1:00:38
and
1:00:39
one
1:00:39
is
1:00:39
right.
1:00:40
It
1:00:40
means
1:00:40
that
1:00:41
people
1:00:42
have
1:00:42
different
1:00:43
outlooks.
1:00:44
And
1:00:45
those
1:00:45
people
1:00:45
are
1:00:46
more
1:00:46
likely,
1:00:46
for
1:00:47
example,
1:00:48
to
1:00:48
want
1:00:49
to
1:00:49
communicate
1:00:50
regularly
1:00:51
with
1:00:51
the
1:00:51
local
1:00:51
authority.
1:00:52
They
1:00:52
want
1:00:52
support
1:00:53
from
1:00:53
their
1:00:53
local,
1:00:53
local
1:00:53
authority.
1:00:55
And
1:00:55
that
1:00:55
can
1:00:55
feel
1:00:56
very
1:00:56
challenging
1:00:57
to
1:00:58
traditional
1:00:58
home
1:00:59
educators
1:01:00
who
1:01:00
feel
1:01:00
that
1:01:01
that
1:01:02
might
1:01:02
trigger
1:01:02
local
1:01:03
authorities
1:01:03
to
1:01:04
want
1:01:04
more
1:01:04
from
1:01:05
them.
1:01:06
So
1:01:06
that
1:01:07
is,
1:01:07
those
1:01:07
are
1:01:08
challenges
1:01:08
within
1:01:09
the
1:01:09
community,
1:01:09
as
1:01:10
part
1:01:10
of
1:01:10
the
1:01:10
community
1:01:11
and
1:01:11
against
1:01:12
the
1:01:12
community.
1:01:14
The
1:01:14
other
1:01:14
challenges
1:01:15
we
1:01:15
face,
1:01:15
of
1:01:16
course,
1:01:16
is
1:01:16
The
1:01:16
Children's
1:01:17
well
1:01:17
Being
1:01:17
and
1:01:17
Schools
1:01:18
Bill,
1:01:18
which
1:01:18
is
1:01:19
just
1:01:19
another
1:01:19
bill
1:01:20
along
1:01:20
the
1:01:20
way,
1:01:21
but
1:01:21
unfortunately
1:01:23
and
1:01:23
quite
1:01:23
intentionally
1:01:24
timed
1:01:25
by
1:01:25
this
1:01:25
particular
1:01:26
government
1:01:27
which
1:01:27
is
1:01:28
bulldozing
1:01:29
it
1:01:30
through
1:01:30
Parliament
1:01:32
and
1:01:32
which
1:01:33
in
1:01:33
the
1:01:34
view
1:01:34
of
1:01:35
many,
1:01:35
many
1:01:35
people
1:01:36
goes
1:01:37
too
1:01:37
far.
1:01:38
And
1:01:39
that
1:01:39
is
1:01:39
going
1:01:39
to
1:01:40
cause
1:01:40
a
1:01:40
tremendous
1:01:41
burden
1:01:42
on
1:01:42
parents.
1:01:44
The
1:01:44
reporting
1:01:44
burden,
1:01:45
for
1:01:45
example,
1:01:46
the
1:01:47
feel
1:01:47
that
1:01:47
the
1:01:48
relationship
1:01:48
between
1:01:49
parents
1:01:49
and
1:01:50
local
1:01:50
authorities
1:01:51
will
1:01:51
change
1:01:52
because
1:01:53
by
1:01:53
creating
1:01:54
this
1:01:54
bill,
1:01:55
the
1:01:56
local
1:01:56
authority
1:01:57
becomes
1:01:57
the
1:01:58
hunter
1:01:58
down
1:01:58
of
1:01:59
every
1:01:59
parent,
1:02:00
so
1:02:00
to
1:02:00
speak.
1:02:01
And
1:02:02
those
1:02:03
relationships,
1:02:04
even
1:02:04
where
1:02:04
you've
1:02:05
got
1:02:05
really
1:02:05
positive
1:02:06
relationships
1:02:07
between
1:02:07
local
1:02:07
authority
1:02:08
officers
1:02:08
and
1:02:08
parents,
1:02:10
those
1:02:10
relationships
1:02:11
will
1:02:11
be
1:02:11
damaged.
1:02:12
And
1:02:12
that
1:02:13
will
1:02:13
be
1:02:13
a
1:02:13
challenge
1:02:14
for
1:02:14
both
1:02:15
sides
1:02:15
of
1:02:15
that
1:02:16
coin
1:02:17
to
1:02:18
get
1:02:19
through
1:02:19
that
1:02:20
successfully.
1:02:21
And
1:02:21
it
1:02:21
can
1:02:21
happen
1:02:22
now.
1:02:22
I've
1:02:23
seen
1:02:23
it
1:02:23
where
1:02:23
I
1:02:23
live.
1:02:24
I
1:02:24
live
1:02:24
in
1:02:24
North
1:02:25
Wales.
1:02:25
And
1:02:26
in
1:02:26
Wales,
1:02:26
the
1:02:27
government
1:02:27
introduced
1:02:28
really
1:02:28
revolting
1:02:30
guidance
1:02:30
that
1:02:31
we
1:02:31
challenged
1:02:31
and
1:02:32
got
1:02:32
watered
1:02:32
down
1:02:33
as
1:02:33
a
1:02:34
charity.
1:02:34
We
1:02:35
took
1:02:35
judicial
1:02:35
review
1:02:36
and
1:02:36
we
1:02:36
got
1:02:36
it
1:02:36
watered
1:02:37
down.
1:02:37
But
1:02:38
essentially
1:02:39
all
1:02:39
of
1:02:39
the
1:02:40
southern
1:02:40
local
1:02:40
authorities
1:02:41
complied
1:02:42
with
1:02:42
it.
1:02:43
All
1:02:43
of
1:02:43
the
1:02:43
northern
1:02:44
ones
1:02:44
checked
1:02:44
with
1:02:45
their
1:02:45
legal
1:02:45
team,
1:02:45
were
1:02:46
told,
1:02:46
no,
1:02:46
you
1:02:46
don't
1:02:46
have
1:02:47
to
1:02:47
do
1:02:47
A,
1:02:47
B,
1:02:47
C
1:02:47
and
1:02:48
D.
1:02:48
They
1:02:48
decided
1:02:49
not
1:02:49
to.
1:02:50
And
1:02:51
when
1:02:51
we
1:02:52
surveyed
1:02:53
parents
1:02:53
of
1:02:53
their
1:02:53
views
1:02:54
of
1:02:54
the
1:02:54
local
1:02:54
authorities,
1:02:56
parents
1:02:57
in
1:02:57
the
1:02:57
north,
1:02:58
their
1:02:58
views
1:02:58
of
1:02:58
the
1:02:59
local
1:02:59
authority
1:03:00
had
1:03:00
become
1:03:01
more
1:03:01
positive,
1:03:02
even
1:03:02
though
1:03:02
they
1:03:02
were
1:03:02
previously
1:03:03
positive.
1:03:04
And
1:03:05
in
1:03:05
the
1:03:05
south,
1:03:06
where
1:03:06
the
1:03:06
new
1:03:06
guidance
1:03:07
was
1:03:07
taken
1:03:07
on
1:03:08
board,
1:03:08
wholly
1:03:10
more
1:03:10
parents
1:03:11
were
1:03:11
very
1:03:12
negative
1:03:12
about
1:03:12
their
1:03:13
local
1:03:13
authorities.
1:03:13
Their
1:03:14
relationships
1:03:14
had
1:03:15
been
1:03:15
damaged,
1:03:16
but
1:03:16
it
1:03:17
showed
1:03:17
that
1:03:17
they
1:03:18
can
1:03:18
be
1:03:18
improved.
1:03:19
So
1:03:19
it's
1:03:20
a
1:03:20
challenge
1:03:20
which
1:03:21
local
1:03:22
authorities
1:03:22
and
1:03:23
parents
1:03:23
are
1:03:24
going
1:03:24
to
1:03:24
have
1:03:24
to
1:03:24
get
1:03:25
their
1:03:25
way
1:03:25
through
1:03:25
by
1:03:26
negotiating
1:03:26
balance.
1:03:28
Yeah,
1:03:28
and
1:03:28
I
1:03:29
know
1:03:29
that,
1:03:29
I
1:03:29
know
1:03:30
that
1:03:30
I
1:03:30
did
1:03:31
a
1:03:31
podcast
1:03:32
about
1:03:32
home
1:03:32
education
1:03:32
in
1:03:33
Wales
1:03:33
and
1:03:34
at
1:03:34
the
1:03:34
time
1:03:34
I
1:03:35
was
1:03:35
living
1:03:35
in
1:03:35
Wales
1:03:36
and
1:03:36
I
1:03:36
didn't
1:03:37
realize
1:03:37
how,
1:03:38
I
1:03:38
don't
1:03:38
want
1:03:38
to
1:03:38
say
1:03:38
extreme,
1:03:39
but
1:03:39
how
1:03:39
many
1:03:40
changes
1:03:40
there
1:03:40
were
1:03:41
in
1:03:41
place
1:03:41
in
1:03:41
Wales
1:03:42
that
1:03:42
were
1:03:42
almost
1:03:42
like
1:03:43
the
1:03:43
thin
1:03:43
end
1:03:43
of
1:03:43
the
1:03:43
wedge
1:03:44
for
1:03:44
the
1:03:44
rest
1:03:44
of
1:03:44
the
1:03:44
uk.
1:03:45
It
1:03:45
was
1:03:45
very
1:03:45
interesting.
1:03:46
And
1:03:46
anyone
1:03:47
who
1:03:47
is
1:03:48
home
1:03:48
educating
1:03:48
in
1:03:48
Wales
1:03:49
or
1:03:49
even
1:03:49
just
1:03:49
is
1:03:50
interesting
1:03:50
to
1:03:50
see
1:03:50
how
1:03:50
things
1:03:51
might
1:03:51
go.
1:03:51
It's
1:03:51
an
1:03:52
interesting
1:03:52
podcast,
1:03:52
that
1:03:53
one.
1:03:53
Before
1:03:53
we
1:03:54
finish,
1:03:54
then,
1:03:54
let
1:03:54
me
1:03:55
ask
1:03:55
you,
1:03:55
you
1:03:55
slightly
1:03:56
more
1:03:56
of
1:03:56
a
1:03:56
personal
1:03:56
question
1:03:57
about
1:03:57
home
1:03:57
education.
1:03:59
Looking
1:03:59
back
1:03:59
on
1:03:59
your
1:04:00
years
1:04:00
in
1:04:00
the
1:04:01
home
1:04:01
education
1:04:01
community,
1:04:02
what
1:04:02
is
1:04:02
the
1:04:03
one
1:04:03
thing
1:04:04
that
1:04:04
has
1:04:04
annoyed
1:04:05
you
1:04:05
the
1:04:05
most
1:04:05
and
1:04:05
what
1:04:06
is
1:04:06
the
1:04:06
one
1:04:06
thing
1:04:06
that
1:04:06
you've
1:04:07
loved
1:04:07
the
1:04:07
most
1:04:07
about
1:04:08
home
1:04:08
educating?
1:04:09
Oh,
1:04:10
gosh.
1:04:11
What
1:04:11
is
1:04:12
the
1:04:12
one
1:04:12
thing
1:04:12
that
1:04:13
I
1:04:13
love
1:04:14
the
1:04:14
most
1:04:14
is
1:04:15
really
1:04:15
easy.
1:04:18
It's
1:04:18
all
1:04:18
of
1:04:19
the
1:04:19
children.
1:04:20
All
1:04:20
of
1:04:20
the
1:04:20
children
1:04:21
who
1:04:21
I've
1:04:21
seen
1:04:22
grown
1:04:22
up
1:04:23
and
1:04:23
I've
1:04:23
seen
1:04:23
them
1:04:23
go
1:04:24
out
1:04:24
into
1:04:24
the
1:04:24
world
1:04:25
and
1:04:26
they're
1:04:26
wonderful,
1:04:27
independent,
1:04:28
self
1:04:28
motivated,
1:04:30
brilliant
1:04:30
human
1:04:31
beings.
1:04:31
And
1:04:32
it
1:04:32
doesn't
1:04:32
matter
1:04:33
what
1:04:33
they've
1:04:33
achieved,
1:04:34
they've
1:04:34
achieved
1:04:34
what's
1:04:35
right
1:04:35
for
1:04:35
them.
1:04:36
And
1:04:37
it
1:04:37
doesn't
1:04:38
matter
1:04:38
whether
1:04:39
that's
1:04:39
just
1:04:40
learning
1:04:40
a
1:04:41
few
1:04:41
words
1:04:41
when
1:04:41
they
1:04:42
couldn't
1:04:42
speak
1:04:42
for
1:04:42
most
1:04:43
of
1:04:43
their
1:04:43
life
1:04:43
or
1:04:44
becoming
1:04:44
an
1:04:44
astrophysicist,
1:04:45
they've
1:04:46
achieved.
1:04:47
And
1:04:47
I
1:04:47
just
1:04:47
love
1:04:48
it.
1:04:48
I
1:04:48
just
1:04:48
love
1:04:48
it.
1:04:48
I've
1:04:48
got
1:04:49
my
1:04:49
own
1:04:49
children,
1:04:49
I've
1:04:49
got
1:04:49
my
1:04:50
grandchildren
1:04:50
who've
1:04:50
done
1:04:51
that.
1:04:51
And
1:04:51
I
1:04:52
meet
1:04:52
other
1:04:52
people's
1:04:53
children
1:04:54
and
1:04:54
I
1:04:54
really
1:04:55
love
1:04:55
meeting
1:04:56
those
1:04:56
children
1:04:57
and
1:04:58
meeting
1:04:58
with
1:04:58
parents
1:04:59
when
1:04:59
I'm
1:04:59
supporting
1:05:00
parents,
1:05:00
I
1:05:00
often
1:05:01
do.
1:05:02
And
1:05:03
it's
1:05:04
such
1:05:04
a
1:05:05
privilege
1:05:06
to
1:05:07
have
1:05:07
that
1:05:08
and
1:05:08
to
1:05:08
see
1:05:09
it.
1:05:11
What
1:05:11
do
1:05:11
I
1:05:11
very
1:05:12
much
1:05:12
not
1:05:12
like
1:05:14
every
1:05:14
cohort
1:05:15
of
1:05:15
human
1:05:16
beings
1:05:16
has
1:05:17
its
1:05:18
bad
1:05:18
apples.
1:05:19
And
1:05:19
what
1:05:20
I
1:05:20
don't
1:05:20
like
1:05:21
seeing
1:05:21
is
1:05:22
the
1:05:22
bad
1:05:22
apples,
1:05:25
shall
1:05:25
we
1:05:26
say,
1:05:27
causing
1:05:28
harm
1:05:28
to
1:05:28
vulnerable
1:05:29
individuals.
1:05:31
And
1:05:32
I
1:05:32
can't
1:05:33
bear
1:05:33
bullies.
1:05:34
I
1:05:34
just
1:05:34
cannot
1:05:35
stand
1:05:35
any
1:05:36
form
1:05:36
of
1:05:36
bullying
1:05:37
or
1:05:37
abuse.
1:05:38
And
1:05:38
seeing
1:05:39
people
1:05:40
abusing
1:05:40
other
1:05:40
people
1:05:41
just
1:05:41
just,
1:05:42
I
1:05:42
just
1:05:43
can't
1:05:43
bear
1:05:43
it.
1:05:44
And
1:05:44
I
1:05:44
see
1:05:44
it
1:05:45
a
1:05:45
lot
1:05:45
with.
1:05:47
I've
1:05:47
done
1:05:48
a
1:05:48
lot
1:05:48
of
1:05:48
family
1:05:48
law
1:05:49
and
1:05:49
I
1:05:49
deal
1:05:49
with
1:05:50
a
1:05:50
lot
1:05:50
of
1:05:50
cases
1:05:51
where
1:05:51
people
1:05:52
are
1:05:52
suffering
1:05:52
from
1:05:53
domestic
1:05:53
abuse.
1:05:54
And
1:05:55
to
1:05:55
see
1:05:56
people
1:05:56
exploiting
1:05:57
the
1:05:58
courts
1:05:58
to
1:05:59
try
1:05:59
to
1:05:59
attack
1:06:00
an
1:06:00
abuse
1:06:01
victim,
1:06:02
I
1:06:02
hate
1:06:02
it.
1:06:02
I
1:06:03
hate
1:06:03
it.
1:06:03
If
1:06:03
I
1:06:04
could
1:06:04
hire
1:06:04
hitmen,
1:06:05
I
1:06:05
might.
1:06:06
If
1:06:06
I
1:06:06
could
1:06:06
get
1:06:06
away
1:06:07
with
1:06:07
it.
1:06:08
I
1:06:08
didn't
1:06:08
say
1:06:08
that.
1:06:11
It's
1:06:11
interesting
1:06:11
you
1:06:12
say
1:06:12
that
1:06:12
because
1:06:12
I
1:06:13
had
1:06:13
a
1:06:13
conversation
1:06:13
with
1:06:14
a
1:06:14
home
1:06:14
educator
1:06:14
recently
1:06:15
who
1:06:15
said
1:06:16
that
1:06:16
they'd
1:06:16
been
1:06:16
kind
1:06:17
of
1:06:17
hounded
1:06:17
out
1:06:17
of
1:06:18
home
1:06:18
education
1:06:18
Facebook
1:06:19
groups
1:06:20
because
1:06:20
of
1:06:20
lies
1:06:20
that
1:06:21
were
1:06:21
put
1:06:21
up
1:06:21
about
1:06:21
them.
1:06:22
And
1:06:22
I
1:06:23
had
1:06:23
the
1:06:23
same
1:06:23
kind
1:06:23
of
1:06:24
visceral
1:06:24
reaction.
1:06:24
I
1:06:25
just
1:06:25
like
1:06:25
you
1:06:26
think
1:06:26
that.
1:06:27
One
1:06:27
of
1:06:27
the
1:06:27
things
1:06:27
I
1:06:27
love
1:06:28
most
1:06:28
about
1:06:28
home
1:06:28
education
1:06:29
is
1:06:29
this
1:06:29
collaborative,
1:06:30
we're
1:06:30
all
1:06:30
in
1:06:31
it
1:06:31
together
1:06:31
kind
1:06:32
of
1:06:32
spirit.
1:06:32
And
1:06:33
so
1:06:33
to
1:06:33
see
1:06:33
the
1:06:34
flip
1:06:34
side
1:06:34
of
1:06:34
that,
1:06:34
I
1:06:35
also
1:06:35
find
1:06:35
really
1:06:36
annoying.
1:06:36
And
1:06:36
I
1:06:37
have
1:06:37
to
1:06:37
say,
1:06:37
I
1:06:38
couldn't
1:06:38
agree
1:06:38
more
1:06:38
about
1:06:38
home
1:06:39
educated
1:06:39
children.
1:06:39
I
1:06:40
have
1:06:40
never
1:06:40
met
1:06:40
a
1:06:41
home
1:06:41
educated
1:06:41
child
1:06:41
that
1:06:42
I
1:06:42
haven't
1:06:42
liked.
1:06:42
They're
1:06:43
just
1:06:43
so
1:06:43
fun.
1:06:44
They're
1:06:44
like
1:06:44
great
1:06:45
children.
1:06:45
They're
1:06:46
like
1:06:46
really?
1:06:47
They're
1:06:47
also
1:06:48
independent
1:06:48
and
1:06:49
autonomous
1:06:49
and
1:06:49
they've
1:06:49
got
1:06:50
all
1:06:50
these
1:06:50
opinions
1:06:51
and
1:06:51
they'll
1:06:51
come
1:06:52
straight
1:06:52
up
1:06:52
to
1:06:52
you
1:06:52
and
1:06:53
say
1:06:53
stuff
1:06:53
to
1:06:53
you
1:06:53
like
1:06:54
other
1:06:54
children
1:06:54
don't
1:06:54
do
1:06:55
to
1:06:55
other
1:06:55
adults.
1:06:55
And
1:06:56
it's
1:06:57
lovely.
1:06:57
I
1:06:57
think
1:06:57
home
1:06:57
educate
1:06:58
children
1:06:58
are
1:06:58
just
1:06:58
a
1:06:59
dream.
1:06:59
Well,
1:07:00
Wendy,
1:07:00
thank
1:07:01
you
1:07:01
so
1:07:01
much
1:07:01
for
1:07:01
coming
1:07:02
on
1:07:02
the
1:07:02
podcast
1:07:02
today.
1:07:03
It
1:07:03
was
1:07:03
really
1:07:03
interesting.
1:07:04
It
1:07:04
was
1:07:05
really
1:07:05
a
1:07:05
whistle
1:07:06
stop
1:07:06
tour
1:07:06
through
1:07:06
our
1:07:07
rights,
1:07:08
but
1:07:08
it
1:07:09
was
1:07:09
wonderful
1:07:09
and
1:07:09
I
1:07:10
will
1:07:10
Put
1:07:10
the
1:07:10
links
1:07:10
to
1:07:11
education.
1:07:11
Otherwise
1:07:12
in
1:07:12
the
1:07:12
show
1:07:12
notes
1:07:13
for
1:07:13
anyone
1:07:13
who
1:07:13
would
1:07:13
like
1:07:14
to
1:07:14
join
1:07:14
us
1:07:14
up.
1:07:14
I
1:07:15
don't.
1:07:15
Perhaps
1:07:16
you
1:07:16
could
1:07:16
just,
1:07:16
before
1:07:16
we
1:07:16
finish,
1:07:17
tell,
1:07:17
tell
1:07:17
our
1:07:18
listeners
1:07:18
a
1:07:18
little
1:07:18
bit
1:07:18
about
1:07:19
membership.
1:07:20
Yep,
1:07:21
we.
1:07:21
If
1:07:22
you
1:07:22
become
1:07:22
an
1:07:22
actual
1:07:23
member,
1:07:23
we
1:07:23
as
1:07:24
a
1:07:24
charity,
1:07:24
we
1:07:25
receive
1:07:25
no
1:07:26
funding
1:07:26
whatsoever
1:07:27
from
1:07:27
any
1:07:28
outside
1:07:28
source.
1:07:29
We
1:07:30
operate
1:07:30
solely
1:07:31
on
1:07:31
membership
1:07:32
fees
1:07:32
and
1:07:32
donations.
1:07:34
So
1:07:34
by
1:07:34
becoming
1:07:34
a
1:07:35
member,
1:07:35
you're
1:07:35
supporting
1:07:36
our
1:07:36
work.
1:07:36
And
1:07:37
most
1:07:37
of
1:07:37
what
1:07:37
we
1:07:37
do
1:07:38
is
1:07:38
behind
1:07:38
the
1:07:38
scenes.
1:07:39
For
1:07:39
example,
1:07:40
yesterday
1:07:41
we
1:07:42
arranged
1:07:42
for
1:07:42
a
1:07:42
group
1:07:42
of
1:07:43
home
1:07:43
educated
1:07:44
children
1:07:44
to
1:07:44
meet
1:07:44
with
1:07:45
an
1:07:45
MP
1:07:45
who
1:07:46
could
1:07:46
tell
1:07:46
them
1:07:46
how
1:07:47
best
1:07:47
to
1:07:47
lobby
1:07:48
other
1:07:48
MPs
1:07:49
and
1:07:49
how
1:07:49
to
1:07:49
go
1:07:49
about
1:07:50
it.
1:07:50
We
1:07:51
meet
1:07:51
with
1:07:51
Lords,
1:07:51
we
1:07:52
work
1:07:52
on
1:07:52
bills
1:07:53
behind
1:07:53
the
1:07:53
scenes
1:07:53
with
1:07:54
Members
1:07:54
of
1:07:54
Parliament,
1:07:55
we
1:07:55
meet
1:07:55
with
1:07:55
the
1:07:55
DFE
1:07:56
to
1:07:56
present
1:07:57
problems
1:07:58
and
1:07:58
to
1:07:58
discuss
1:07:58
where
1:07:59
there
1:07:59
are
1:07:59
difficulties.
1:08:01
We
1:08:01
contribute
1:08:02
to
1:08:02
research.
1:08:04
But
1:08:04
at
1:08:05
the
1:08:05
same
1:08:05
time
1:08:05
there's
1:08:05
something
1:08:06
in
1:08:06
it
1:08:06
for
1:08:06
you.
1:08:06
Quite
1:08:07
a
1:08:07
bit,
1:08:07
apart
1:08:07
from
1:08:08
our
1:08:08
website
1:08:08
and
1:08:09
everything
1:08:09
you
1:08:09
can
1:08:10
access.
1:08:10
Anyway,
1:08:11
as
1:08:11
a
1:08:12
member
1:08:12
we
1:08:12
offer
1:08:12
you
1:08:13
discounts.
1:08:13
We
1:08:14
offer
1:08:14
a
1:08:14
free
1:08:15
report
1:08:15
checking
1:08:16
service
1:08:17
and
1:08:17
it's
1:08:17
pretty
1:08:18
darn
1:08:18
cheap.
1:08:19
It's
1:08:19
£17
1:08:20
a
1:08:20
year
1:08:21
and
1:08:21
if
1:08:21
you're
1:08:22
on
1:08:22
a
1:08:22
low
1:08:22
income,
1:08:23
£14
1:08:24
a
1:08:24
year.
1:08:25
Now,
1:08:25
I
1:08:26
know
1:08:26
there
1:08:26
are
1:08:26
companies
1:08:27
out
1:08:27
there,
1:08:27
just
1:08:28
look
1:08:28
at
1:08:28
the
1:08:28
report
1:08:28
checking
1:08:29
for.
1:08:30
A
1:08:30
company's
1:08:30
charging
1:08:30
£50
1:08:31
to
1:08:32
do
1:08:32
that.
1:08:32
You
1:08:33
get
1:08:33
it
1:08:33
from
1:08:33
us
1:08:33
for
1:08:33
free
1:08:34
if
1:08:34
you're
1:08:34
a
1:08:34
member.
1:08:35
The
1:08:35
discounts
1:08:36
if
1:08:36
your
1:08:36
child's
1:08:37
taking
1:08:37
exams,
1:08:38
we
1:08:38
provide
1:08:39
discounts
1:08:39
with
1:08:40
exam
1:08:41
centres
1:08:42
and
1:08:43
our
1:08:43
fee
1:08:43
is
1:08:44
less
1:08:44
than
1:08:44
the
1:08:44
discount
1:08:45
for
1:08:45
one
1:08:45
exam,
1:08:46
so
1:08:46
it's
1:08:46
really
1:08:47
worthwhile
1:08:47
to
1:08:47
do
1:08:47
that.
1:08:48
But
1:08:48
the
1:08:48
important
1:08:48
thing
1:08:49
is
1:08:50
you're
1:08:50
giving
1:08:50
something
1:08:51
toward
1:08:52
helping
1:08:53
the
1:08:53
community
1:08:54
because
1:08:54
as
1:08:54
a
1:08:54
charity,
1:08:56
we
1:08:57
have
1:08:57
to
1:08:57
act
1:08:57
within
1:08:58
the
1:08:58
law.
1:08:58
We
1:08:58
can't
1:08:59
do
1:08:59
some
1:08:59
of
1:08:59
the
1:08:59
things
1:09:00
some
1:09:00
of
1:09:00
the
1:09:01
social
1:09:02
media
1:09:02
groups
1:09:02
do.
1:09:03
We've
1:09:03
got
1:09:03
to
1:09:04
be
1:09:04
very
1:09:05
careful
1:09:05
to
1:09:05
be
1:09:06
balanced,
1:09:07
equitable,
1:09:08
accurate
1:09:08
and
1:09:09
supportive.
1:09:10
And
1:09:11
so
1:09:11
you
1:09:11
know
1:09:11
that
1:09:12
we're
1:09:12
reliable,
1:09:13
we're
1:09:13
there
1:09:14
and
1:09:14
we
1:09:14
hope
1:09:14
to
1:09:15
still
1:09:15
be
1:09:15
there
1:09:16
in
1:09:16
another
1:09:16
50
1:09:17
years
1:09:17
time
1:09:17
and
1:09:18
that
1:09:18
home
1:09:18
education
1:09:18
is
1:09:19
thriving.
1:09:20
Absolutely.
1:09:21
I
1:09:21
couldn't
1:09:21
agree
1:09:21
more.
1:09:22
Wendy,
1:09:22
thank
1:09:22
you
1:09:23
so
1:09:23
much
1:09:23
for
1:09:23
coming
1:09:23
on
1:09:23
the
1:09:24
podcast
1:09:24
today.
1:09:24
It
1:09:24
was
1:09:24
lovely
1:09:25
to
1:09:25
speak
1:09:25
to
1:09:25
you.
1:09:26
Bye
1:09:26
bye.
1:09:28
Thank
1:09:28
you
1:09:28
so
1:09:28
much
1:09:28
for
1:09:29
joining
1:09:29
us
1:09:29
for
1:09:29
today's
1:09:29
Home
1:09:30
Education
1:09:30
Matters
1:09:31
podcast.
1:09:31
See
1:09:31
you
1:09:32
at
1:09:32
the
1:09:32
next
1:09:32
one.
1:09:32
Have
1:09:32
a
1:09:33
lovely
1:09:33
day.