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Grit vs. Good Fortune: College, Careers, and Who We Become (SSU Philosophy Club) · The Living Conversation

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  Foreign.
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  I'm
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  Anthony
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  Wright
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  and
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  I
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  am
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  your
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  host
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  today
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  with
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  my
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  co
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  host,
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  Adam
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  Dietz.
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  Welcome.
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  And
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  Adam
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  is.
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  We
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  are
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  co
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  hosts
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  on
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  the
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  show
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  that's
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  called
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  the
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  Living
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  Conversation
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  and
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  we'd
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  like
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  to
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  welcome
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  you.
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  And
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  we
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  have
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  guests
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  today
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  from
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  the
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  Sonoma
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  State
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  University
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  Philosophy
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  Club.
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  And
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  welcome
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  Colette
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  and
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  Andrew
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  and
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  Peter.
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  So
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  Colette,
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  you
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  were
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  saying
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  before
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  we
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  got
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  started
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  that
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  you
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  had
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  a
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  topic
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  you
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  wanted
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  to
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  talk
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  about.
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  And
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  what
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  exactly
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  did
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  you
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  want
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  to
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  talk
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  about
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  today,
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  please?
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  Yeah.
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  So
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  the
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  last
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  philosophy
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  club
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  meeting
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  we
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  were
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  discussing
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  whether
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  suffering
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  was
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  essential
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  to
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  living
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  a
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  good
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  life
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  or
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  not,
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  which
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  is
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  kind
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  of
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  an
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  interesting
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  conversation.
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  So
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  what
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  do
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  you
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  think,
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  Adam?
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  Me?
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  I
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  think
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  that,
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  you
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  know,
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  we
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  come
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  from
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  a
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  very
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  strong
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  background
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  of
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  Chinese
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  philosophy.
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  And
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  in
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  Chinese
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  philosophy,
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  suffering
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  is
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  when
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  something
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  is
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  out
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  of
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  harmony.
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  So
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  the
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  principle
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  of
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  life
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  is
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  should,
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  should
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  be
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  in
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  harmony.
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  And
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  there's
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  a
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  natural
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  state
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  is
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  harmony.
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  So
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  when
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  something,
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  when,
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  when
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  someone
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  gets
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  sick
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  or
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  when
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  someone's
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  suffering,
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  it's
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  something
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  that's
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  out
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  of
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  harmony.
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  So
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  to
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  think
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  that
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  suffering.
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  The
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  short
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  answer
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  would
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  be
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  in
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  Chinese
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  philosophy,
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  is
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  suffering
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  necessary
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  for
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  a
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  good
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  life?
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  They
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  say
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  no,
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  actually
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  suffering
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  is
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  the
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  opposite
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  of
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  a
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  good
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  life.
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  Suffering
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  comes
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  when
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  something's
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  out
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  of
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  harmony.
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  So
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  people
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  should
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  emphasize
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  trying
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  to
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  let
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  their
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  original
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  harmony
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  come
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  out,
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  their
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  natural
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  self
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  come
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  out
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  and
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  revert
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  to
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  this
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  kind
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  of
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  natural
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  harmony.
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  So
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  this
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  will
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  have
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  no
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  suffering.
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  Actually,
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  it's
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  very,
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  very,
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  very
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  wonderful,
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  very
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  good,
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  very
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  happy.
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  You
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  know,
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  one
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  of
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  the
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  things
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  also
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  that
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  I
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  had.
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  Thought
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  about
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  with,
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  with
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  suffering
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  and
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  certainly.
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  Would
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  you
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  refresh
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  my
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  memory,
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  Adam,
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  about
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  Was
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  it
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  Socrates
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  who
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  said
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  the
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  to
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  live
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  a
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  good
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  life,
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  hey,
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  you
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  have
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  to
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  have
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  an
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  examined
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  life?
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  Yes,
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  that's
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  correct.
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  Okay.
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  Because
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  one
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  of
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  the
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  things
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  that
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  it
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  was
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  a
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  real
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  breakthrough
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  for
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  me
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  to
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  understand.
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  And
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  this
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  was
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  a
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  Buddhist
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  idea
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  about.
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  It,
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  was
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  what
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  the
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  Buddha
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  saw
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  when
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  he
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  looked
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  over
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  the.
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  The
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  edge
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  of
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  the
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  palace
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  he
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  was
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  living
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  in
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  and
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  he
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  saw
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  old
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  age
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  and
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  saw
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  people.
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  Dying.
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  But
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  what
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  Alan
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  Watts
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  was
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  talking
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  about
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  was
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  that
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  suffering
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  comes
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  from
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  desire.
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  And.
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  That.
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  You
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  get
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  into
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  sort
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  of
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  a
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  interesting
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  paradox
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  about.
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  Desiring
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  not
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  to
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  desire.
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  And.
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  The
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  problem
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  comes
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  actually
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  from
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  the
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  illusion
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  of
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  separateness
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  because
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  the
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  desire
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  is
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  to
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  separate
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  yourself
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  from
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  something.
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  And
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  that
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  was
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  a
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  real
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  breakthrough
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  for
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  me
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  because
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  then
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  I
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  came
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  to
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  understand
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  that
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  if
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  there's
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  no
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  separated
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  individuality,
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  then
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  there's
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  no
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  suffering.
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  Because
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  this
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  is,
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  this
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  body
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  that's
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  calls
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  itself
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  Anthony,
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  is
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  just
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  what
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  the
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  universe
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  is
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  doing
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  here
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  and.
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  For
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  each
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  of
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  us
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  is
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  of
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  course
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  is
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  a
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  resonant
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  node
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  in
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  the
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  holographic
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  field.
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  If
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  you
• 3:59
  want
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  to
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  get
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  technical
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  about
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  it.
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  But
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  it
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  was
• 4:03
  very
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  useful
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  for
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  me
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  to
• 4:04
  understand.
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  That
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  there
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  wasn't
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  any
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  separated
• 4:09
  me.
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  So
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  it's
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  just
• 4:10
  what
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  the.
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  What
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  the
• 4:11
  cosmos
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  is
• 4:12
  doing.
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  What
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  did
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  you
• 4:13
  guys
• 4:13
  get
• 4:13
  into
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  Colette?
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  And.
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  And
• 4:15
  what
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  did
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  you
• 4:16
  come
• 4:17
  to
• 4:17
  any
• 4:17
  conclusions?
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  So
• 4:19
  it
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  was
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  pretty
• 4:20
  50,
• 4:21
  50
• 4:21
  by
• 4:21
  the
• 4:21
  end
• 4:21
  of
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  the
• 4:22
  hour.
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  But
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  so.
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  So
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  I
• 4:26
  was
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  on
• 4:27
  the
• 4:27
  side
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  of
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  like
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  that
• 4:29
  we
• 4:29
  have
• 4:30
  to
• 4:30
  have
• 4:30
  suffering
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  in
• 4:31
  order
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  to
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  have
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  a
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  good
• 4:32
  life.
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  And
• 4:34
  Haley,
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  who's
• 4:35
  not
• 4:35
  here
• 4:36
  this
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  time,
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  but
• 4:38
  she
• 4:38
  was
• 4:38
  talking
• 4:39
  about
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  how.
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  Like
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  if
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  you're
• 4:43
  suffering,
• 4:44
  then.
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  Then
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  when
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  you
• 4:46
  come
• 4:47
  out
• 4:47
  of
• 4:47
  the
• 4:47
  suffering,
• 4:47
  then
• 4:48
  you
• 4:48
  appreciate
• 4:48
  the
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  good
• 4:49
  moments
• 4:50
  even
• 4:50
  more
• 4:50
  because,
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  well,
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  at
• 4:52
  least
• 4:52
  it's
• 4:52
  not
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  that
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  bad,
• 4:53
  you
• 4:54
  know.
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  And
• 4:56
  I
• 4:56
  think,
• 4:57
  Andrew,
• 4:57
  were
• 4:58
  you
• 4:58
  on
• 4:58
  the
• 4:58
  other
• 4:58
  side?
• 4:58
  I
• 4:59
  think.
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  Right.
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  Yeah,
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  I'm
• 5:00
  on
• 5:00
  the
• 5:00
  other
• 5:01
  side
• 5:01
  basically
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  completely
• 5:03
  is.
• 5:03
  Is
• 5:04
  that.
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  I
• 5:07
  don't
• 5:07
  think
• 5:08
  suffering
• 5:08
  is
• 5:09
  necessary
• 5:09
  for
• 5:09
  a
• 5:09
  good
• 5:10
  life.
• 5:10
  And
• 5:10
  we
• 5:11
  were
• 5:11
  coming
• 5:11
  at
• 5:11
  it
• 5:12
  from
• 5:12
  many
• 5:12
  different
• 5:12
  angles.
• 5:13
  They
• 5:13
  were
• 5:13
  talking
• 5:13
  about
• 5:13
  both
• 5:14
  enjoyment
• 5:14
  and
• 5:14
  they
• 5:15
  were
• 5:15
  also
• 5:15
  talking
• 5:15
  about.
• 5:17
  It
• 5:17
  wasn't
• 5:17
  the
• 5:17
  angle
• 5:18
  I
• 5:18
  was
• 5:18
  trying
• 5:18
  to
• 5:18
  talk
• 5:18
  about,
• 5:18
  but
• 5:20
  I
• 5:20
  believe
• 5:20
  you
• 5:21
  were
• 5:21
  talking
• 5:21
  about
• 5:22
  like
• 5:23
  the
• 5:23
  like
• 5:23
  ethics,
• 5:24
  like
• 5:24
  in
• 5:24
  terms
• 5:24
  of.
• 5:26
  You
• 5:26
  have
• 5:27
  to
• 5:27
  have
• 5:27
  suffering
• 5:27
  to
• 5:28
  be
• 5:28
  a
• 5:28
  good
• 5:28
  person.
• 5:30
  Was
• 5:31
  that.
• 5:31
  Was
• 5:31
  that
• 5:31
  what
• 5:31
  you
• 5:32
  were
• 5:32
  saying
• 5:33
  or
• 5:33
  somebody
• 5:34
  was
• 5:34
  saying
• 5:34
  that
• 5:34
  I
• 5:35
  believe
• 5:35
  might
• 5:35
  not
• 5:35
  have
• 5:35
  been
• 5:35
  you.
• 5:36
  But
• 5:36
  do
• 5:36
  you
• 5:36
  remember
• 5:37
  that?
• 5:37
  I
• 5:38
  do
• 5:38
  remember
• 5:38
  us
• 5:39
  talking
• 5:39
  about
• 5:39
  that.
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  Yeah.
• 5:42
  That's
• 5:42
  a
• 5:42
  toughie
• 5:43
  because
• 5:43
  like
• 5:43
  if
• 5:43
  you
• 5:43
  haven't
• 5:44
  experienced
• 5:46
  real
• 5:46
  suffering,
• 5:47
  then
• 5:47
  like
• 5:48
  it's.
• 5:48
  It's
• 5:49
  really
• 5:49
  difficult
• 5:49
  to.
• 5:50
  To
• 5:50
  feel
• 5:50
  for
• 5:51
  those
• 5:51
  people
• 5:51
  who
• 5:52
  are
• 5:52
  suffering
• 5:53
  and
• 5:53
  to
• 5:53
  be
• 5:54
  able
• 5:54
  to
• 5:54
  understand
• 5:54
  where
• 5:54
  they're
• 5:55
  coming
• 5:55
  from
• 5:55
  and
• 5:56
  really
• 5:56
  experience
• 5:57
  true
• 5:57
  empathy.
• 5:58
  So
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  do
• 6:00
  it
• 6:00
  that
• 6:01
  what
• 6:01
  you
• 6:01
  will.
• 6:02
  So
• 6:02
  you're
• 6:02
  saying
• 6:02
  that
• 6:03
  suffering
• 6:03
  is
• 6:03
  a
• 6:04
  part
• 6:04
  of
• 6:04
  the
• 6:04
  human
• 6:04
  condition.
• 6:05
  Yeah.
• 6:07
  Okay.
• 6:07
  And
• 6:08
  I
• 6:08
  guess
• 6:09
  go
• 6:09
  ahead.
• 6:09
  I
• 6:09
  also
• 6:10
  thought
• 6:10
  somewhere
• 6:11
  along
• 6:11
  the
• 6:11
  same
• 6:11
  lines
• 6:12
  that
• 6:13
  sometimes
• 6:13
  it
• 6:13
  might
• 6:14
  be
• 6:14
  necessary
• 6:15
  to
• 6:15
  even
• 6:16
  see
• 6:16
  yourself
• 6:17
  become
• 6:18
  a
• 6:18
  better
• 6:18
  person.
• 6:19
  I
• 6:20
  really
• 6:20
  thought
• 6:20
  about
• 6:20
  this
• 6:21
  and
• 6:21
  I
• 6:21
  really
• 6:22
  do
• 6:22
  think
• 6:22
  that
• 6:22
  working
• 6:23
  deliberately
• 6:24
  toward
• 6:24
  personal
• 6:25
  goals
• 6:25
  in
• 6:25
  life
• 6:26
  can
• 6:26
  feel
• 6:26
  like
• 6:27
  suffering
• 6:27
  in
• 6:27
  the
• 6:27
  moment.
• 6:28
  Though
• 6:29
  I
• 6:29
  think
• 6:29
  to
• 6:29
  build
• 6:29
  meaning
• 6:30
  in
• 6:30
  life,
• 6:30
  there
• 6:30
  is
• 6:31
  an
• 6:31
  element
• 6:31
  of
• 6:31
  suffering
• 6:32
  that
• 6:32
  is
• 6:32
  needed
• 6:33
  for
• 6:33
  yourself
• 6:33
  to
• 6:33
  find.
• 6:34
  It
• 6:35
  and
• 6:36
  say
• 6:36
  suffering
• 6:36
  is.
• 6:37
  I
• 6:37
  believe
• 6:37
  that
• 6:38
  you're
• 6:38
  working
• 6:38
  toward
• 6:39
  goals
• 6:39
  in
• 6:40
  life.
• 6:41
  Yes.
• 6:42
  And
• 6:42
  I
• 6:42
  really
• 6:42
  do
• 6:43
  think
• 6:43
  that
• 6:44
  if
• 6:44
  you
• 6:45
  really
• 6:45
  work
• 6:45
  towards
• 6:45
  it,
• 6:46
  it
• 6:46
  can.
• 6:48
  Be
• 6:49
  derived
• 6:49
  from
• 6:49
  something
• 6:50
  that
• 6:50
  you
• 6:50
  invested
• 6:51
  a
• 6:51
  lot
• 6:51
  in
• 6:51
  to
• 6:51
  see
• 6:51
  yourself
• 6:52
  grow.
• 6:53
  There's
• 6:53
  one
• 6:53
  example
• 6:54
  that
• 6:54
  I
• 6:55
  have
• 6:55
  had
• 6:55
  where
• 6:55
  I've
• 6:56
  tried
• 6:56
  many
• 6:56
  work
• 6:56
  experiences.
• 6:57
  For
• 6:57
  instance,
• 6:58
  I
• 6:58
  wanted
• 6:58
  to
• 6:59
  go
• 6:59
  for
• 7:00
  after
• 7:00
  school
• 7:01
  and
• 7:01
  some
• 7:02
  of
• 7:02
  it
• 7:03
  my
• 7:03
  search
• 7:04
  for
• 7:04
  purposeful
• 7:05
  work
• 7:05
  experience
• 7:06
  that
• 7:06
  is
• 7:06
  meaningful
• 7:07
  for
• 7:07
  me
• 7:07
  spanned
• 7:08
  from
• 7:09
  first
• 7:10
  I
• 7:10
  wanted
• 7:10
  to
• 7:10
  shadow
• 7:11
  in
• 7:11
  a
• 7:11
  real
• 7:11
  Estate
• 7:12
  office
• 7:12
  to
• 7:12
  practice,
• 7:13
  an
• 7:13
  internship,
• 7:15
  then
• 7:15
  another
• 7:16
  experience
• 7:16
  for
• 7:17
  building
• 7:18
  websites
• 7:18
  within
• 7:19
  another
• 7:19
  place.
• 7:20
  And
• 7:20
  it
• 7:20
  seemed
• 7:21
  to
• 7:21
  me
• 7:21
  that
• 7:21
  in
• 7:21
  those
• 7:22
  experiences,
• 7:23
  to
• 7:23
  really
• 7:24
  get
• 7:24
  a
• 7:24
  meaningful
• 7:25
  reward
• 7:25
  toward
• 7:25
  finding
• 7:26
  something,
• 7:27
  there's
• 7:27
  an
• 7:28
  element
• 7:28
  of
• 7:28
  grit
• 7:29
  for
• 7:29
  that
• 7:29
  meaning
• 7:30
  to
• 7:30
  really
• 7:30
  blossom
• 7:31
  from
• 7:31
  it.
• 7:31
  And
• 7:32
  you
• 7:32
  really
• 7:32
  get
• 7:33
  more
• 7:33
  of
• 7:33
  a
• 7:33
  meaningful
• 7:34
  reward
• 7:34
  by
• 7:35
  building
• 7:35
  your
• 7:35
  goals
• 7:36
  out
• 7:36
  and
• 7:37
  making
• 7:37
  your
• 7:37
  personal
• 7:38
  meetings
• 7:38
  and
• 7:39
  career
• 7:39
  go
• 7:40
  greater
• 7:41
  than
• 7:41
  it
• 7:41
  was
• 7:41
  before.
• 7:42
  And
• 7:43
  those
• 7:43
  are
• 7:43
  some
• 7:43
  of
• 7:44
  the
• 7:44
  meanings
• 7:44
  of
• 7:45
  grit
• 7:45
  and
• 7:45
  self
• 7:46
  growth
• 7:47
  that
• 7:47
  have
• 7:47
  really
• 7:47
  started
• 7:48
  to
• 7:48
  develop
• 7:48
  greater
• 7:49
  from
• 7:50
  my
• 7:50
  various
• 7:51
  experiences.
• 7:53
  That's
• 7:53
  so
• 7:53
  interesting.
• 7:53
  That
• 7:54
  makes
• 7:54
  me
• 7:54
  think
• 7:54
  of
• 7:54
  like
• 7:55
  what
• 7:55
  you
• 7:55
  were
• 7:55
  saying,
• 7:57
  professor,
• 7:57
  right,
• 7:58
  is
• 7:59
  like
• 7:59
  when
• 8:00
  you
• 8:00
  were
• 8:00
  talking
• 8:00
  about
• 8:00
  desire.
• 8:03
  And
• 8:05
  like
• 8:05
  it's.
• 8:06
  You
• 8:06
  can
• 8:06
  equate
• 8:07
  it
• 8:07
  to
• 8:07
  yearning.
• 8:08
  It's
• 8:08
  like
• 8:08
  if
• 8:09
  you
• 8:09
  don't
• 8:09
  have
• 8:10
  something
• 8:10
  to
• 8:10
  yearn
• 8:11
  for,
• 8:12
  then
• 8:13
  like
• 8:14
  you're
• 8:14
  almost
• 8:15
  missing
• 8:15
  out
• 8:15
  on
• 8:17
  the
• 8:17
  human
• 8:18
  condition.
• 8:20
  You're.
• 8:20
  You're
• 8:21
  almost
• 8:21
  not
• 8:21
  living
• 8:22
  your
• 8:22
  life
• 8:22
  to
• 8:22
  the
• 8:22
  fullest
• 8:23
  if
• 8:23
  you
• 8:23
  don't
• 8:23
  have
• 8:23
  something
• 8:24
  to
• 8:24
  yearn
• 8:25
  for.
• 8:28
  What
• 8:29
  say?
• 8:29
  I
• 8:29
  think.
• 8:31
  Yeah,
• 8:31
  so
• 8:32
  interesting.
• 8:32
  Also,
• 8:33
  in
• 8:33
  Chinese
• 8:33
  philosophy,
• 8:33
  you
• 8:33
  should
• 8:34
  have
• 8:34
  a
• 8:34
  great
• 8:34
  goal,
• 8:35
  great
• 8:36
  will.
• 8:36
  So
• 8:37
  often
• 8:38
  in
• 8:38
  Chinese
• 8:39
  history,
• 8:40
  they
• 8:40
  would
• 8:40
  ask
• 8:41
  the
• 8:41
  students,
• 8:41
  okay,
• 8:42
  beginning
• 8:42
  of
• 8:43
  school,
• 8:43
  maybe
• 8:43
  like
• 8:43
  even
• 8:43
  kindergarten,
• 8:44
  what's
• 8:45
  your
• 8:45
  great
• 8:45
  goal?
• 8:46
  And
• 8:46
  the
• 8:46
  students
• 8:47
  will
• 8:47
  all.
• 8:48
  So
• 8:48
  many
• 8:48
  students
• 8:48
  will
• 8:49
  answer,
• 8:49
  I
• 8:49
  want
• 8:49
  to
• 8:49
  be
• 8:49
  a
• 8:50
  Confucius.
• 8:53
  Very
• 8:53
  high
• 8:54
  goal,
• 8:54
  very
• 8:55
  high
• 8:55
  goal.
• 8:56
  So
• 8:57
  yes,
• 8:57
  I
• 8:58
  agree
• 8:58
  that
• 8:58
  you
• 8:58
  should
• 8:59
  have
• 8:59
  a
• 8:59
  really
• 8:59
  high
• 9:00
  goal.
• 9:00
  And
• 9:00
  that's
• 9:00
  part
• 9:00
  of,
• 9:01
  that's
• 9:01
  part
• 9:01
  of
• 9:01
  growth
• 9:02
  experience
• 9:02
  as
• 9:02
  a
• 9:02
  human
• 9:03
  being.
• 9:03
  I
• 9:03
  agree
• 9:04
  100%.
• 9:05
  As
• 9:05
  far
• 9:06
  as
• 9:06
  the
• 9:06
  suffering
• 9:06
  goes
• 9:07
  though,
• 9:07
  there's
• 9:07
  things
• 9:08
  that
• 9:08
  are
• 9:08
  out
• 9:08
  of
• 9:08
  your
• 9:08
  control,
• 9:09
  right?
• 9:10
  There's
• 9:10
  those
• 9:11
  things
• 9:11
  you
• 9:11
  have
• 9:12
  to
• 9:12
  learn
• 9:12
  how
• 9:12
  to
• 9:14
  maybe
• 9:14
  go
• 9:14
  with
• 9:14
  the
• 9:15
  flow,
• 9:15
  right?
• 9:15
  And
• 9:16
  take
• 9:16
  care
• 9:16
  of
• 9:17
  yourself,
• 9:17
  protect
• 9:17
  yourself.
• 9:18
  Because.
• 9:18
  Because
• 9:20
  true
• 9:21
  happiness,
• 9:22
  true
• 9:22
  freedom
• 9:23
  is
• 9:24
  all
• 9:24
  inside
• 9:24
  you,
• 9:25
  right?
• 9:26
  Your
• 9:26
  mind,
• 9:27
  your
• 9:28
  heart,
• 9:28
  your
• 9:29
  soul.
• 9:29
  That
• 9:30
  is
• 9:30
  where
• 9:30
  happiness
• 9:30
  always
• 9:31
  exists.
• 9:31
  You
• 9:31
  can't
• 9:32
  have
• 9:32
  happiness
• 9:32
  without
• 9:33
  that.
• 9:33
  You,
• 9:34
  your
• 9:35
  happiness
• 9:35
  is
• 9:35
  within.
• 9:36
  So
• 9:38
  the
• 9:38
  better
• 9:39
  you
• 9:39
  are
• 9:39
  in
• 9:39
  touch
• 9:40
  with
• 9:40
  your
• 9:40
  mind
• 9:40
  and
• 9:40
  your
• 9:40
  heart
• 9:41
  and
• 9:41
  your
• 9:41
  soul,
• 9:41
  the
• 9:42
  more
• 9:42
  you
• 9:42
  can
• 9:42
  endure
• 9:43
  anything.
• 9:44
  Even
• 9:44
  in
• 9:44
  a
• 9:44
  difficult
• 9:45
  situation,
• 9:45
  even
• 9:46
  if
• 9:46
  it's
• 9:46
  something
• 9:46
  out
• 9:47
  of
• 9:47
  your
• 9:47
  control
• 9:47
  that
• 9:47
  is
• 9:48
  stressful,
• 9:48
  you
• 9:48
  can't.
• 9:49
  It's
• 9:49
  giving
• 9:50
  you
• 9:50
  trouble,
• 9:50
  it's
• 9:50
  giving
• 9:51
  you
• 9:51
  suffering
• 9:52
  inside
• 9:52
  your
• 9:52
  mind.
• 9:53
  If
• 9:53
  your
• 9:53
  mind
• 9:53
  is
• 9:54
  very
• 9:54
  cultivated,
• 9:55
  you
• 9:55
  can
• 9:55
  still
• 9:56
  be
• 9:56
  happy.
• 9:59
  As
• 9:59
  the
• 9:59
  Buddha
• 10:00
  said,
• 10:01
  there
• 10:01
  is
• 10:01
  suffering
• 10:02
  in
• 10:02
  the
• 10:02
  Four
• 10:02
  Noble
• 10:03
  Truths.
• 10:03
  There
• 10:04
  is
• 10:04
  an
• 10:04
  end
• 10:04
  to
• 10:04
  suffering,
• 10:06
  and
• 10:06
  the
• 10:06
  end
• 10:06
  of
• 10:07
  suffering
• 10:07
  is
• 10:08
  the
• 10:08
  Eightfold
• 10:09
  Path.
• 10:11
  And
• 10:11
  it's.
• 10:13
  I
• 10:13
  don't
• 10:13
  remember
• 10:13
  all
• 10:14
  eight
• 10:14
  of
• 10:14
  them,
• 10:14
  but.
• 10:17
  It'S
• 10:17
  right
• 10:18
  action.
• 10:20
  Right
• 10:21
  attitude.
• 10:23
  And
• 10:23
  I
• 10:24
  guess
• 10:25
  in
• 10:26
  complexity
• 10:26
  science
• 10:27
  terms,
• 10:27
  it
• 10:27
  would
• 10:28
  be.
• 10:31
  A
• 10:31
  coherence
• 10:32
  or
• 10:32
  a
• 10:32
  resonance
• 10:33
  with
• 10:33
  what?
• 10:33
  Whatever
• 10:34
  happens
• 10:35
  to
• 10:35
  be
• 10:35
  going
• 10:35
  on
• 10:36
  in
• 10:36
  the
• 10:37
  moment.
• 10:39
  And
• 10:39
  yet
• 10:39
  I
• 10:40
  do
• 10:40
  appreciate,
• 10:40
  Colette,
• 10:41
  what
• 10:41
  you're
• 10:41
  saying
• 10:42
  about.
• 10:43
  In
• 10:43
  order
• 10:43
  to
• 10:45
  have
• 10:45
  empathy
• 10:47
  for
• 10:47
  someone
• 10:48
  else
• 10:48
  who
• 10:48
  is
• 10:48
  having
• 10:49
  difficulty,
• 10:50
  it's.
• 10:53
  Really
• 10:54
  important
• 10:54
  to
• 10:54
  have
• 10:55
  had
• 10:55
  some
• 10:55
  difficulty
• 10:56
  yourself.
• 10:58
  Is
• 10:58
  that,
• 10:58
  is
• 10:58
  that
• 10:58
  what
• 10:59
  you're
• 10:59
  saying?
• 10:59
  Yeah.
• 11:01
  Okay.
• 11:03
  What
• 11:03
  do
• 11:03
  you
• 11:03
  think,
• 11:04
  Andrew?
• 11:07
  Well,
• 11:08
  so
• 11:08
  where
• 11:08
  I
• 11:09
  disagree
• 11:09
  is.
• 11:13
  A.
• 11:13
  Lot
• 11:14
  of
• 11:14
  that
• 11:14
  conversation
• 11:14
  is
• 11:15
  framed
• 11:15
  around
• 11:16
  what
• 11:16
  our
• 11:17
  lives
• 11:17
  currently
• 11:17
  are
• 11:18
  and
• 11:18
  not,
• 11:18
  I
• 11:19
  think,
• 11:19
  what
• 11:19
  they
• 11:19
  could
• 11:20
  be.
• 11:20
  And
• 11:21
  so.
• 11:26
  As
• 11:27
  hopefully,
• 11:28
  as,
• 11:28
  as
• 11:29
  most
• 11:29
  of
• 11:29
  human
• 11:30
  history
• 11:30
  has
• 11:30
  shown,
• 11:30
  people
• 11:31
  are
• 11:31
  generally
• 11:31
  trying
• 11:31
  to
• 11:32
  build
• 11:32
  a
• 11:32
  better
• 11:32
  future
• 11:33
  for
• 11:33
  the
• 11:33
  next
• 11:33
  generation.
• 11:33
  And
• 11:34
  so
• 11:34
  at
• 11:34
  some
• 11:34
  point.
• 11:37
  As
• 11:37
  long
• 11:38
  as
• 11:38
  we
• 11:38
  don't
• 11:38
  go
• 11:38
  extinct
• 11:39
  and
• 11:39
  as
• 11:39
  long
• 11:39
  as
• 11:40
  we
• 11:40
  that
• 11:40
  keeps
• 11:40
  holding,
• 11:41
  there
• 11:41
  will
• 11:41
  be,
• 11:41
  and
• 11:42
  I
• 11:42
  have
• 11:42
  no
• 11:42
  reason
• 11:42
  to
• 11:42
  believe
• 11:43
  we
• 11:43
  will
• 11:43
  go
• 11:43
  extinct
• 11:44
  anytime
• 11:45
  soon.
• 11:47
  Then
• 11:48
  I.
• 11:49
  There,
• 11:49
  there
• 11:50
  will
• 11:50
  come
• 11:50
  a
• 11:50
  point
• 11:50
  where
• 11:51
  the,
• 11:52
  the
• 11:53
  amount
• 11:53
  of
• 11:54
  bad
• 11:55
  things
• 11:56
  will,
• 11:57
  will
• 11:58
  reach
• 11:58
  an
• 11:58
  equilibrium.
• 11:59
  There
• 11:59
  will
• 11:59
  be
• 11:59
  like,
• 12:01
  yet
• 12:01
  the.
• 12:01
  Yes,
• 12:02
  there
• 12:02
  will
• 12:02
  be
• 12:02
  sometimes
• 12:03
  bad
• 12:03
  parents
• 12:04
  that
• 12:04
  don't
• 12:04
  get
• 12:04
  caught.
• 12:06
  And
• 12:07
  there
• 12:07
  will
• 12:07
  be
• 12:07
  some
• 12:08
  natural
• 12:08
  disasters
• 12:09
  that.
• 12:12
  We
• 12:12
  just
• 12:12
  don't
• 12:12
  see
• 12:12
  coming.
• 12:14
  But.
• 12:16
  We
• 12:16
  will
• 12:17
  reach
• 12:17
  a
• 12:17
  point
• 12:17
  where
• 12:19
  we
• 12:19
  have
• 12:19
  minimized
• 12:21
  suffering
• 12:22
  and
• 12:22
  there
• 12:23
  will
• 12:23
  be
• 12:23
  a
• 12:23
  large
• 12:24
  majority
• 12:24
  of
• 12:25
  the
• 12:25
  planet
• 12:25
  that
• 12:25
  does
• 12:25
  not
• 12:26
  have
• 12:26
  suffering.
• 12:27
  I
• 12:27
  mean,
• 12:27
  in
• 12:28
  the
• 12:28
  sense
• 12:28
  that
• 12:28
  we
• 12:28
  have
• 12:28
  today.
• 12:29
  I
• 12:29
  mean
• 12:29
  you
• 12:29
  just
• 12:30
  look
• 12:30
  at
• 12:30
  compared
• 12:30
  today
• 12:31
  to
• 12:31
  300
• 12:31
  years
• 12:32
  ago,
• 12:33
  right?
• 12:33
  Just,
• 12:33
  just
• 12:34
  for
• 12:34
  modern
• 12:34
  medicine,
• 12:34
  for
• 12:35
  example.
• 12:35
  And
• 12:35
  so.
• 12:38
  But
• 12:38
  the
• 12:38
  reason
• 12:38
  we
• 12:39
  developed
• 12:39
  the
• 12:39
  modern
• 12:39
  medicine
• 12:40
  is
• 12:40
  because
• 12:40
  we
• 12:40
  didn't
• 12:41
  like
• 12:41
  the
• 12:41
  way
• 12:41
  that
• 12:41
  we
• 12:41
  were
• 12:42
  dying.
• 12:43
  We
• 12:44
  didn't
• 12:44
  like
• 12:44
  the
• 12:44
  way
• 12:44
  we
• 12:45
  were.
• 12:45
  We
• 12:45
  were
• 12:45
  living
• 12:46
  either.
• 12:47
  And
• 12:48
  so
• 12:48
  the
• 12:48
  living
• 12:48
  is
• 12:48
  the
• 12:49
  experience
• 12:49
  of
• 12:50
  the
• 12:50
  suffering
• 12:50
  is
• 12:51
  going
• 12:51
  through
• 12:51
  stuff
• 12:52
  with
• 12:52
  scarlet
• 12:53
  fever
• 12:53
  and
• 12:54
  cholera,
• 12:54
  etc.
• 12:55
  And.
• 12:58
  So
• 12:58
  clearly
• 12:59
  there
• 12:59
  is
• 13:00
  suffering
• 13:01
  that
• 13:01
  we
• 13:01
  want
• 13:01
  to
• 13:01
  engineer
• 13:02
  out
• 13:02
  of
• 13:02
  society.
• 13:03
  And.
• 13:06
  Why
• 13:07
  should
• 13:07
  we
• 13:07
  stop
• 13:08
  it
• 13:08
  at
• 13:08
  any
• 13:08
  point?
• 13:09
  Why,
• 13:09
  why
• 13:09
  do
• 13:10
  we
• 13:10
  have.
• 13:12
  I
• 13:12
  remember
• 13:12
  one
• 13:12
  of
• 13:12
  the
• 13:13
  things
• 13:13
  we
• 13:13
  were
• 13:13
  talking
• 13:13
  about
• 13:13
  when
• 13:13
  we
• 13:14
  were
• 13:14
  on
• 13:14
  the
• 13:14
  grass
• 13:14
  talking
• 13:15
  about
• 13:15
  this
• 13:16
  is.
• 13:19
  One
• 13:19
  of
• 13:19
  the
• 13:19
  things
• 13:20
  that
• 13:20
  came
• 13:20
  up
• 13:20
  was
• 13:20
  like
• 13:20
  ice
• 13:21
  cream
• 13:21
  flavors,
• 13:21
  you
• 13:21
  know,
• 13:22
  like,
• 13:22
  well,
• 13:22
  I'll
• 13:23
  always,
• 13:23
  you
• 13:24
  know,
• 13:24
  I
• 13:24
  don't,
• 13:24
  I
• 13:25
  don't
• 13:25
  have
• 13:25
  to
• 13:25
  like,
• 13:25
  in
• 13:26
  order
• 13:26
  to
• 13:26
  have
• 13:26
  that
• 13:26
  perfect
• 13:27
  life.
• 13:27
  I
• 13:27
  don't
• 13:27
  have
• 13:27
  to
• 13:27
  have
• 13:28
  ice
• 13:28
  cream
• 13:28
  every
• 13:28
  day
• 13:28
  or
• 13:29
  whatever,
• 13:29
  but
• 13:29
  I'll
• 13:30
  always
• 13:30
  choose
• 13:30
  flavors
• 13:31
  I
• 13:31
  like.
• 13:32
  And
• 13:33
  people
• 13:33
  are
• 13:34
  saying
• 13:34
  like,
• 13:34
  well,
• 13:35
  what
• 13:35
  if
• 13:35
  you
• 13:35
  always
• 13:36
  have
• 13:36
  your
• 13:37
  favorite
• 13:37
  flavor?
• 13:37
  You
• 13:37
  know,
• 13:37
  you'll
• 13:38
  never
• 13:38
  know
• 13:38
  what
• 13:38
  bad
• 13:38
  ice
• 13:39
  cream
• 13:39
  is.
• 13:39
  Like.
• 13:39
  It
• 13:39
  was
• 13:39
  like,
• 13:40
  I
• 13:41
  don't
• 13:41
  need
• 13:41
  to
• 13:41
  have
• 13:42
  had
• 13:42
  bad
• 13:43
  ice
• 13:43
  cream
• 13:43
  to
• 13:44
  still
• 13:44
  like
• 13:44
  the
• 13:44
  ice
• 13:45
  cream
• 13:45
  that
• 13:45
  I
• 13:45
  like.
• 13:46
  You
• 13:46
  know,
• 13:47
  why,
• 13:48
  why
• 13:48
  do
• 13:49
  I
• 13:49
  have
• 13:49
  to
• 13:50
  taste,
• 13:52
  you
• 13:52
  know,
• 13:52
  like
• 13:53
  shoe
• 13:53
  flavored
• 13:54
  ice
• 13:54
  cream
• 13:55
  once
• 13:55
  in
• 13:55
  my
• 13:55
  life,
• 13:56
  you
• 13:56
  know,
• 13:57
  in
• 13:57
  order
• 13:57
  to
• 13:57
  know
• 13:58
  that
• 13:58
  I
• 13:58
  like
• 13:58
  chocolate?
• 13:58
  I
• 13:59
  don't
• 13:59
  have
• 13:59
  to.
• 14:01
  I'm
• 14:01
  thinking
• 14:02
  about
• 14:02
  all
• 14:02
  the
• 14:02
  jelly
• 14:02
  beans
• 14:03
  that
• 14:03
  Harry
• 14:04
  Potter
• 14:04
  was
• 14:04
  getting.
• 14:05
  Exactly.
• 14:06
  You
• 14:06
  know,
• 14:07
  we
• 14:07
  have
• 14:07
  to
• 14:07
  take
• 14:08
  a
• 14:08
  short
• 14:08
  break.
• 14:09
  I
• 14:09
  want
• 14:09
  to
• 14:09
  end
• 14:10
  this
• 14:10
  particular
• 14:11
  section
• 14:12
  with
• 14:12
  a.
• 14:13
  With
• 14:13
  a
• 14:13
  poem
• 14:15
  about
• 14:15
  anti
• 14:16
  fragility.
• 14:17
  So
• 14:18
  it
• 14:18
  goes
• 14:18
  like
• 14:19
  this.
• 14:20
  Since
• 14:20
  my
• 14:21
  house
• 14:21
  burnt
• 14:22
  down,
• 14:22
  I
• 14:23
  now
• 14:23
  have
• 14:23
  a
• 14:24
  much
• 14:24
  better
• 14:24
  view
• 14:25
  of
• 14:25
  the
• 14:25
  rising
• 14:26
  moon.
• 14:29
  So
• 14:29
  we
• 14:29
  have
• 14:29
  to
• 14:29
  take
• 14:30
  a
• 14:30
  short
• 14:30
  break
• 14:30
  and
• 14:31
  we'll
• 14:31
  be
• 14:31
  right
• 14:31
  back.
• 14:32
  So
• 14:32
  stay
• 14:32
  tuned.
• 14:49
  I'm
• 14:49
  Anthony
• 14:50
  Wright
• 14:50
  and
• 14:50
  I
• 14:51
  am
• 14:51
  your
• 14:51
  co
• 14:52
  host
• 14:52
  today
• 14:52
  with
• 14:54
  Adam
• 14:54
  Deeds.
• 14:55
  And
• 14:56
  Adam
• 14:56
  and
• 14:57
  I
• 14:57
  are
• 14:58
  co
• 14:58
  hosting
• 14:59
  a
• 14:59
  show
• 14:59
  that
• 14:59
  we
• 14:59
  are
• 14:59
  calling
• 15:00
  the
• 15:00
  Living
• 15:00
  Conversation.
• 15:01
  And
• 15:01
  today
• 15:02
  our
• 15:02
  guests
• 15:03
  are
• 15:04
  members
• 15:04
  of
• 15:05
  the
• 15:05
  Sonoma
• 15:06
  State
• 15:06
  University
• 15:06
  Philosophy
• 15:07
  Club.
• 15:08
  And
• 15:09
  welcome
• 15:09
  Colette,
• 15:10
  who
• 15:10
  is
• 15:10
  the
• 15:10
  president,
• 15:11
  and
• 15:11
  Andrew
• 15:11
  and
• 15:12
  Peter.
• 15:13
  And
• 15:13
  before
• 15:13
  the
• 15:14
  break,
• 15:14
  we
• 15:14
  were
• 15:14
  talking.
• 15:15
  About.
• 15:18
  I
• 15:19
  ended
• 15:19
  the
• 15:19
  last
• 15:20
  segment
• 15:20
  with
• 15:20
  this
• 15:20
  idea
• 15:21
  of
• 15:21
  antifragility.
• 15:23
  And
• 15:23
  do
• 15:24
  you
• 15:24
  know
• 15:24
  what
• 15:24
  I
• 15:24
  mean
• 15:24
  by
• 15:25
  that,
• 15:25
  you
• 15:25
  guys?
• 15:27
  A
• 15:27
  sense
• 15:28
  of
• 15:28
  that.
• 15:29
  You
• 15:29
  could
• 15:29
  explain
• 15:30
  it.
• 15:30
  Okay.
• 15:31
  It's
• 15:32
  more
• 15:32
  about
• 15:33
  that
• 15:33
  when
• 15:34
  adversity
• 15:35
  strikes
• 15:36
  that
• 15:37
  actually
• 15:38
  the.
• 15:40
  Working
• 15:41
  through
• 15:41
  the
• 15:42
  adversity
• 15:42
  only
• 15:43
  makes
• 15:43
  you
• 15:43
  stronger.
• 15:45
  So
• 15:45
  the
• 15:45
  example
• 15:46
  I
• 15:46
  gave
• 15:46
  was
• 15:46
  the
• 15:46
  poem
• 15:47
  about
• 15:47
  since
• 15:48
  my
• 15:48
  house
• 15:48
  burnt
• 15:49
  down,
• 15:49
  I
• 15:50
  now
• 15:50
  have
• 15:50
  a
• 15:50
  better
• 15:51
  view
• 15:52
  of
• 15:52
  the
• 15:52
  rising
• 15:52
  moon.
• 15:53
  And
• 15:53
  it's
• 15:53
  to
• 15:54
  reframe
• 15:55
  that
• 15:56
  adversity.
• 15:56
  Is
• 15:57
  that
• 15:57
  what
• 15:57
  your
• 15:57
  experience
• 15:57
  is,
• 15:58
  Colette?
• 15:59
  And
• 15:59
  understand
• 16:00
  that's
• 16:00
  actually
• 16:00
  exactly
• 16:01
  where
• 16:01
  I
• 16:01
  was
• 16:01
  going
• 16:02
  to
• 16:02
  go
• 16:02
  next
• 16:02
  with
• 16:03
  this
• 16:03
  conversation.
• 16:05
  Yeah.
• 16:06
  Because
• 16:06
  I
• 16:06
  like.
• 16:07
  Okay,
• 16:09
  I
• 16:09
  really
• 16:09
  like
• 16:10
  the
• 16:10
  phrase
• 16:10
  pressure
• 16:11
  makes
• 16:11
  diamonds.
• 16:12
  And
• 16:12
  I
• 16:13
  think
• 16:13
  it's
• 16:13
  true.
• 16:14
  Yeah.
• 16:16
  Like,
• 16:17
  what
• 16:17
  was
• 16:17
  the
• 16:18
  example
• 16:18
  I
• 16:18
  was
• 16:18
  thinking
• 16:19
  of?
• 16:22
  Because
• 16:23
  it's
• 16:23
  not
• 16:23
  all
• 16:24
  about,
• 16:24
  like,
• 16:25
  what
• 16:25
  your
• 16:26
  favorite
• 16:26
  ice
• 16:27
  cream
• 16:27
  flavor
• 16:27
  is
• 16:28
  or
• 16:28
  whatever,
• 16:29
  you
• 16:29
  know,
• 16:30
  okay,
• 16:30
  we
• 16:30
  always
• 16:30
  like
• 16:31
  to,
• 16:31
  to
• 16:31
  pick
• 16:31
  sides
• 16:32
  and,
• 16:32
  you
• 16:32
  know,
• 16:32
  it's
• 16:33
  all
• 16:33
  just
• 16:33
  good
• 16:33
  fun.
• 16:34
  Never
• 16:34
  any
• 16:35
  devils
• 16:36
  advocating
• 16:37
  too
• 16:37
  much.
• 16:38
  But.
• 16:39
  Like,
• 16:41
  you
• 16:41
  know,
• 16:41
  it,
• 16:42
  it's,
• 16:43
  it's
• 16:43
  never,
• 16:44
  it's
• 16:44
  never
• 16:45
  as
• 16:45
  simple
• 16:45
  as
• 16:45
  an
• 16:46
  ice
• 16:46
  cream
• 16:46
  flavor.
• 16:47
  It's
• 16:47
  usually
• 16:47
  a
• 16:47
  lot
• 16:47
  more
• 16:48
  than
• 16:48
  that.
• 16:48
  And
• 16:48
  so
• 16:49
  I
• 16:49
  think
• 16:49
  we
• 16:50
  need
• 16:50
  to
• 16:50
  redefine
• 16:52
  suffering
• 16:52
  as
• 16:53
  a
• 16:53
  term
• 16:54
  that
• 16:54
  we're
• 16:54
  using
• 16:54
  maybe
• 16:55
  because,
• 16:56
  like.
• 16:58
  Suffering
• 16:59
  in
• 17:00
  the
• 17:00
  context
• 17:01
  of
• 17:01
  ice
• 17:01
  cream
• 17:02
  is,
• 17:02
  is
• 17:03
  not
• 17:03
  too
• 17:03
  bad.
• 17:04
  You
• 17:04
  know,
• 17:04
  like,
• 17:04
  oh,
• 17:05
  dang,
• 17:05
  you
• 17:05
  get
• 17:05
  a
• 17:06
  bad
• 17:06
  flavor.
• 17:07
  Like,
• 17:07
  know
• 17:07
  your
• 17:08
  day
• 17:08
  is
• 17:08
  not
• 17:08
  completely
• 17:09
  ruined.
• 17:11
  And
• 17:11
  it
• 17:11
  can
• 17:11
  be
• 17:12
  the
• 17:12
  same
• 17:12
  thing.
• 17:13
  You
• 17:13
  can
• 17:13
  apply
• 17:13
  that
• 17:14
  same
• 17:14
  mentality
• 17:15
  to
• 17:15
  other,
• 17:16
  like,
• 17:17
  places
• 17:18
  of
• 17:18
  suffering.
• 17:19
  Like
• 17:20
  how
• 17:20
  Peter
• 17:21
  was
• 17:21
  talking
• 17:21
  about
• 17:22
  different
• 17:23
  job
• 17:23
  opportunities
• 17:24
  or.
• 17:26
  Different,
• 17:27
  different
• 17:27
  school
• 17:28
  opportunities
• 17:29
  too.
• 17:29
  You
• 17:30
  know,
• 17:30
  you
• 17:30
  have
• 17:30
  to
• 17:31
  have
• 17:31
  that
• 17:32
  element
• 17:32
  of
• 17:33
  suffering
• 17:34
  in
• 17:34
  order
• 17:34
  to
• 17:35
  perform
• 17:36
  better
• 17:36
  in
• 17:37
  school
• 17:37
  and
• 17:37
  to
• 17:38
  advance
• 17:38
  further
• 17:39
  so
• 17:39
  that
• 17:39
  you
• 17:39
  have
• 17:39
  the
• 17:40
  opportunity
• 17:40
  to
• 17:40
  learn
• 17:41
  more
• 17:41
  things.
• 17:41
  You
• 17:41
  know,
• 17:42
  there's,
• 17:42
  there's
• 17:42
  levels
• 17:43
  to,
• 17:43
  to
• 17:44
  getting
• 17:44
  there.
• 17:45
  And
• 17:45
  so,
• 17:45
  you
• 17:46
  know,
• 17:46
  you
• 17:46
  could
• 17:46
  look
• 17:47
  at
• 17:47
  it
• 17:47
  as
• 17:47
  suffering
• 17:49
  in
• 17:49
  that.
• 17:49
  Like,
• 17:50
  you
• 17:50
  know,
• 17:50
  oh,
• 17:51
  dang,
• 17:51
  I've
• 17:51
  got
• 17:51
  to
• 17:51
  do
• 17:51
  all
• 17:51
  this
• 17:52
  homework.
• 17:52
  I
• 17:52
  got
• 17:52
  to
• 17:53
  read
• 17:53
  all
• 17:53
  these
• 17:53
  books.
• 17:54
  There's
• 17:54
  so
• 17:54
  much
• 17:54
  to
• 17:54
  do.
• 17:55
  And
• 17:55
  that's,
• 17:55
  in
• 17:55
  a
• 17:56
  way,
• 17:56
  in
• 17:57
  a
• 17:57
  way
• 17:57
  that's
• 17:57
  suffering.
• 17:58
  But
• 17:59
  so,
• 18:00
  like,
• 18:01
  like,
• 18:01
  even
• 18:01
  though
• 18:01
  it
• 18:01
  is
• 18:02
  suffering.
• 18:04
  You
• 18:04
  could
• 18:04
  redefine
• 18:05
  it
• 18:05
  in
• 18:05
  your
• 18:05
  mind
• 18:06
  and,
• 18:06
  and
• 18:06
  just,
• 18:07
  like,
• 18:07
  the
• 18:07
  poem
• 18:07
  that
• 18:08
  you're
• 18:08
  talking
• 18:08
  about,
• 18:09
  professor,
• 18:10
  like,
• 18:10
  if
• 18:10
  you,
• 18:11
  if
• 18:11
  you
• 18:11
  reframe
• 18:12
  it,
• 18:12
  like,
• 18:13
  like,
• 18:13
  yeah,
• 18:13
  it's,
• 18:14
  it's
• 18:14
  a
• 18:14
  little
• 18:14
  bit
• 18:14
  of
• 18:14
  suffering,
• 18:15
  but
• 18:15
  I
• 18:15
  know
• 18:15
  I'm
• 18:15
  gonna
• 18:15
  get
• 18:16
  something
• 18:16
  good
• 18:16
  out
• 18:16
  of
• 18:16
  it
• 18:17
  eventually.
• 18:17
  Then
• 18:18
  it's
• 18:18
  like,
• 18:18
  good
• 18:19
  suffering,
• 18:20
  if
• 18:20
  that
• 18:20
  makes
• 18:20
  sense.
• 18:21
  Good
• 18:21
  suffering.
• 18:23
  My
• 18:24
  goodness.
• 18:24
  Do
• 18:24
  you
• 18:24
  think
• 18:26
  does
• 18:27
  if.
• 18:29
  If
• 18:29
  someone
• 18:30
  like
• 18:30
  Elon
• 18:30
  Musk
• 18:31
  doesn't
• 18:31
  make
• 18:31
  as
• 18:31
  much
• 18:32
  money
• 18:32
  as
• 18:32
  he
• 18:32
  wants
• 18:33
  to,
• 18:33
  does
• 18:33
  he
• 18:33
  suffer.
• 18:36
  From
• 18:37
  his
• 18:37
  perspective?
• 18:37
  Yeah.
• 18:40
  But.
• 18:42
  Okay,
• 18:43
  so,
• 18:43
  so
• 18:45
  there's
• 18:45
  many
• 18:45
  things
• 18:46
  that
• 18:46
  I
• 18:46
  want
• 18:46
  that
• 18:46
  I
• 18:47
  don't
• 18:47
  get,
• 18:47
  you
• 18:47
  know?
• 18:48
  Like,
• 18:48
  and
• 18:49
  are
• 18:49
  you,
• 18:49
  do
• 18:49
  you
• 18:49
  suffer?
• 18:51
  It
• 18:52
  depends
• 18:53
  on
• 18:53
  the
• 18:53
  thing.
• 18:53
  Like,
• 18:54
  there
• 18:54
  are
• 18:54
  things
• 18:54
  that
• 18:54
  I
• 18:54
  want
• 18:55
  that
• 18:55
  are,
• 18:55
  like,
• 18:56
  just
• 18:57
  unrealistically
• 18:58
  out
• 18:58
  of
• 18:58
  reach.
• 18:58
  So
• 18:58
  there's
• 18:58
  no
• 18:58
  emotional
• 18:59
  attachment
• 18:59
  to,
• 19:00
  like,
• 19:00
  not
• 19:00
  being
• 19:00
  able
• 19:00
  to
• 19:00
  get
• 19:01
  it.
• 19:01
  Okay,
• 19:02
  so
• 19:02
  it's
• 19:02
  like,
• 19:03
  does
• 19:04
  that
• 19:04
  make
• 19:04
  sense?
• 19:04
  Suffering
• 19:05
  has
• 19:05
  an
• 19:05
  emotional
• 19:06
  attachment
• 19:06
  to
• 19:06
  it.
• 19:08
  Well,
• 19:08
  yeah,
• 19:09
  I
• 19:09
  think
• 19:09
  by
• 19:09
  definition,
• 19:10
  because
• 19:10
  suffering
• 19:10
  is.
• 19:13
  It'S
• 19:13
  an
• 19:14
  experience
• 19:14
  of
• 19:15
  something
• 19:15
  that
• 19:15
  I
• 19:16
  don't
• 19:16
  want.
• 19:16
  I
• 19:16
  don't
• 19:16
  want
• 19:17
  to
• 19:17
  have
• 19:17
  this
• 19:17
  emotion.
• 19:19
  So
• 19:20
  I,
• 19:20
  I,
• 19:22
  I,
• 19:22
  I
• 19:22
  think
• 19:23
  that's
• 19:24
  just
• 19:24
  definitionally
• 19:26
  true
• 19:26
  or
• 19:26
  close
• 19:27
  to
• 19:27
  how
• 19:27
  I
• 19:27
  would
• 19:27
  define
• 19:27
  suffering
• 19:28
  is,
• 19:28
  is
• 19:28
  a
• 19:28
  feeling
• 19:29
  I
• 19:29
  do
• 19:29
  not
• 19:30
  want
• 19:31
  to
• 19:31
  experience.
• 19:33
  Okay.
• 19:34
  So
• 19:35
  it's
• 19:36
  not
• 19:36
  always,
• 19:36
  Always
• 19:37
  an.
• 19:38
  Does
• 19:38
  that
• 19:38
  always
• 19:38
  have
• 19:39
  an
• 19:39
  emotional
• 19:39
  component
• 19:40
  to
• 19:40
  it?
• 19:42
  I
• 19:42
  would
• 19:42
  say
• 19:42
  it
• 19:43
  fundamentally
• 19:43
  has
• 19:43
  to.
• 19:44
  Okay.
• 19:45
  Because
• 19:45
  I,
• 19:45
  I
• 19:46
  don't
• 19:46
  see
• 19:46
  how
• 19:47
  I
• 19:47
  could
• 19:47
  experience
• 19:48
  suffering
• 19:48
  and
• 19:49
  not
• 19:49
  have
• 19:49
  an
• 19:49
  emotional
• 19:50
  attachment
• 19:50
  to
• 19:50
  it.
• 19:51
  It,
• 19:51
  It.
• 19:52
  Because
• 19:53
  I
• 19:53
  wonder
• 19:53
  if
• 19:53
  people
• 19:53
  have
• 19:54
  an
• 19:54
  emotional
• 19:54
  attachment
• 19:55
  to
• 19:56
  not
• 19:56
  having
• 19:56
  enough
• 19:56
  to
• 19:57
  eat.
• 19:57
  For
• 19:57
  example,
• 19:58
  do
• 19:58
  you
• 19:58
  feel
• 19:59
  bad
• 20:00
  emotionally.
• 20:02
  Poorly.
• 20:04
  If
• 20:04
  you're
• 20:04
  hungry.
• 20:06
  Yeah.
• 20:06
  Or
• 20:07
  if
• 20:07
  you're
• 20:07
  injured
• 20:09
  or
• 20:10
  some
• 20:10
  other
• 20:10
  adverse
• 20:11
  condition,
• 20:12
  you're
• 20:12
  smiling
• 20:13
  at
• 20:13
  them.
• 20:13
  What
• 20:13
  do
• 20:13
  you,
• 20:14
  what
• 20:14
  do
• 20:14
  you
• 20:14
  have?
• 20:15
  Like,
• 20:16
  I
• 20:16
  like
• 20:16
  that
• 20:16
  Linder
• 20:16
  said.
• 20:17
  Yeah.
• 20:17
  He's
• 20:17
  like,
• 20:17
  yeah,
• 20:18
  I
• 20:18
  agree.
• 20:18
  I
• 20:18
  agree,
• 20:19
  Andrew.
• 20:19
  Yeah,
• 20:20
  you
• 20:21
  don't
• 20:21
  feel
• 20:21
  good
• 20:22
  about
• 20:22
  it.
• 20:22
  But
• 20:23
  I
• 20:23
  want
• 20:24
  to.
• 20:27
  Touch
• 20:27
  on
• 20:27
  something
• 20:27
  Colette
• 20:28
  was
• 20:28
  saying,
• 20:28
  and
• 20:28
  Andrew
• 20:29
  was
• 20:29
  kind
• 20:29
  of
• 20:29
  building
• 20:29
  off
• 20:30
  of
• 20:30
  this
• 20:30
  idea
• 20:31
  of
• 20:31
  good
• 20:31
  suffering.
• 20:34
  When
• 20:34
  I
• 20:34
  was
• 20:34
  a
• 20:34
  teenager,
• 20:36
  I
• 20:36
  was
• 20:36
  immature,
• 20:37
  and
• 20:38
  I
• 20:38
  was
• 20:38
  very
• 20:38
  attached
• 20:39
  to
• 20:40
  girls.
• 20:42
  So
• 20:43
  everything
• 20:43
  was
• 20:44
  heartsick
• 20:44
  puppy
• 20:45
  love
• 20:45
  all
• 20:45
  the
• 20:45
  time
• 20:46
  and
• 20:47
  was
• 20:47
  really
• 20:47
  suffering,
• 20:48
  suffering.
• 20:51
  So
• 20:51
  I
• 20:51
  made
• 20:51
  an
• 20:52
  effort
• 20:52
  to.
• 20:53
  I
• 20:53
  finally
• 20:53
  got,
• 20:53
  I
• 20:54
  got
• 20:54
  sick
• 20:54
  of
• 20:54
  being
• 20:54
  sick.
• 20:55
  Lao
• 20:55
  has
• 20:56
  a,
• 20:56
  has
• 20:56
  a
• 20:56
  line
• 20:57
  in
• 20:57
  the
• 20:57
  Dao
• 20:57
  De
• 20:57
  Ching,
• 20:58
  when
• 20:58
  you're
• 20:58
  sick
• 20:58
  of
• 20:58
  being
• 20:59
  sick,
• 20:59
  then
• 20:59
  you
• 20:59
  can.
• 20:59
  Then
• 21:00
  you
• 21:00
  can
• 21:01
  advance.
• 21:01
  So
• 21:02
  I
• 21:02
  was
• 21:02
  sick
• 21:02
  of
• 21:02
  being
• 21:03
  lovesick.
• 21:03
  I
• 21:03
  was
• 21:03
  sick
• 21:04
  of
• 21:04
  having
• 21:04
  this
• 21:04
  suffering.
• 21:05
  So
• 21:05
  I
• 21:05
  actually
• 21:06
  went
• 21:06
  out
• 21:06
  and
• 21:07
  one
• 21:08
  of
• 21:08
  the
• 21:08
  first
• 21:08
  places
• 21:08
  I
• 21:08
  drove
• 21:09
  to
• 21:09
  on
• 21:09
  my
• 21:09
  own,
• 21:09
  without
• 21:10
  any.
• 21:12
  Impetus,
• 21:13
  just
• 21:13
  on
• 21:13
  my
• 21:13
  own,
• 21:13
  was
• 21:14
  to
• 21:14
  go
• 21:14
  to
• 21:14
  the
• 21:14
  city
• 21:15
  library.
• 21:15
  Back
• 21:15
  before
• 21:16
  I'm
• 21:16
  so
• 21:16
  old,
• 21:16
  we
• 21:17
  didn't
• 21:17
  have
• 21:17
  Internet
• 21:17
  really,
• 21:18
  back
• 21:18
  then.
• 21:18
  So
• 21:19
  I
• 21:19
  went
• 21:19
  to
• 21:19
  the
• 21:19
  city
• 21:20
  library
• 21:20
  and
• 21:20
  looked
• 21:21
  up
• 21:21
  books
• 21:21
  on
• 21:21
  Buddhism
• 21:22
  and
• 21:22
  thought,
• 21:22
  I'm
• 21:23
  sick
• 21:23
  of
• 21:23
  being
• 21:23
  sick.
• 21:24
  I
• 21:24
  want
• 21:24
  to
• 21:24
  try
• 21:24
  and
• 21:24
  get
• 21:25
  out
• 21:25
  of
• 21:25
  this.
• 21:25
  This
• 21:25
  pattern,
• 21:27
  right?
• 21:27
  And,
• 21:28
  you
• 21:28
  know,
• 21:28
  that
• 21:28
  that
• 21:28
  was
• 21:28
  okay.
• 21:29
  It
• 21:29
  didn't
• 21:29
  really
• 21:29
  go
• 21:30
  anywhere,
• 21:30
  but
• 21:30
  over
• 21:30
  the
• 21:31
  years,
• 21:31
  it
• 21:32
  was
• 21:32
  a
• 21:32
  seed
• 21:33
  that
• 21:33
  kept
• 21:33
  building
• 21:33
  and
• 21:33
  building
• 21:34
  and
• 21:34
  building
• 21:34
  and
• 21:34
  building.
• 21:35
  So
• 21:35
  if
• 21:35
  I
• 21:36
  look
• 21:36
  at
• 21:36
  that
• 21:36
  example
• 21:37
  from
• 21:37
  when
• 21:37
  I
• 21:38
  was
• 21:38
  a
• 21:38
  teenager
• 21:38
  and
• 21:38
  I
• 21:38
  really
• 21:39
  did
• 21:39
  feel
• 21:39
  like
• 21:39
  I
• 21:39
  was
• 21:39
  suffering.
• 21:40
  And
• 21:41
  then
• 21:41
  I
• 21:41
  fast
• 21:41
  forward
• 21:42
  to
• 21:42
  a
• 21:42
  few
• 21:42
  years
• 21:42
  ago
• 21:43
  when
• 21:43
  I
• 21:43
  had
• 21:43
  a
• 21:43
  death
• 21:43
  in
• 21:44
  the
• 21:44
  family,
• 21:45
  very
• 21:45
  close
• 21:45
  family
• 21:46
  member.
• 21:47
  And
• 21:48
  this.
• 21:49
  Yes,
• 21:49
  I
• 21:50
  was
• 21:50
  mourning.
• 21:50
  Yes,
• 21:51
  I
• 21:51
  was
• 21:51
  crying.
• 21:52
  Yes,
• 21:53
  I
• 21:53
  was,
• 21:54
  you
• 21:55
  know,
• 21:56
  dealing
• 21:56
  with
• 21:57
  my
• 21:57
  other
• 21:57
  family
• 21:57
  members.
• 21:58
  But
• 21:58
  there
• 21:58
  was
• 21:59
  a
• 21:59
  joy
• 21:59
  in
• 22:00
  doing
• 22:00
  it
• 22:00
  right.
• 22:01
  You
• 22:01
  know,
• 22:02
  you're
• 22:03
  feeling
• 22:04
  this
• 22:04
  sadness,
• 22:05
  and
• 22:05
  you
• 22:06
  should
• 22:06
  be
• 22:06
  feeling
• 22:06
  it,
• 22:07
  and
• 22:07
  you
• 22:07
  can
• 22:07
  embrace
• 22:07
  it
• 22:08
  and
• 22:08
  fully
• 22:08
  feel
• 22:09
  it.
• 22:09
  And
• 22:09
  there
• 22:10
  was
• 22:10
  a
• 22:10
  joy
• 22:10
  in
• 22:11
  that.
• 22:12
  So
• 22:12
  I
• 22:12
  think
• 22:13
  that
• 22:13
  that's
• 22:13
  an
• 22:14
  example
• 22:14
  of
• 22:14
  having.
• 22:16
  Some
• 22:17
  suffering.
• 22:18
  But
• 22:18
  you
• 22:18
  have
• 22:18
  the
• 22:19
  perspective
• 22:20
  and
• 22:20
  you
• 22:20
  can
• 22:20
  really
• 22:21
  lean
• 22:21
  into
• 22:21
  it.
• 22:22
  And
• 22:22
  yes,
• 22:23
  it
• 22:23
  did
• 22:23
  make
• 22:23
  me
• 22:24
  much
• 22:24
  more.
• 22:26
  I
• 22:26
  want
• 22:27
  to
• 22:27
  say
• 22:27
  I
• 22:27
  developed
• 22:28
  from
• 22:28
  that
• 22:28
  you
• 22:28
  were
• 22:28
  talking
• 22:28
  about
• 22:29
  before,
• 22:29
  that
• 22:30
  you
• 22:30
  need
• 22:30
  suffering
• 22:30
  to
• 22:30
  develop.
• 22:31
  Well,
• 22:31
  I
• 22:32
  did
• 22:32
  because
• 22:33
  it
• 22:33
  was
• 22:33
  such
• 22:33
  a
• 22:33
  strong
• 22:33
  emotion.
• 22:34
  I
• 22:35
  did
• 22:35
  experience
• 22:36
  it.
• 22:37
  I
• 22:37
  did
• 22:37
  feel
• 22:37
  like
• 22:37
  I
• 22:37
  developed
• 22:38
  and
• 22:38
  grew
• 22:38
  as
• 22:39
  a
• 22:39
  person.
• 22:39
  But
• 22:40
  there
• 22:40
  was
• 22:40
  joy
• 22:41
  through
• 22:41
  the
• 22:41
  whole
• 22:42
  process.
• 22:42
  Deep
• 22:42
  inside
• 22:43
  I
• 22:43
  could
• 22:43
  see,
• 22:44
  yes,
• 22:44
  I'm
• 22:44
  crying.
• 22:45
  I'm
• 22:45
  choosing
• 22:46
  to
• 22:46
  cry.
• 22:46
  I'm
• 22:46
  choosing
• 22:47
  to
• 22:47
  mourn.
• 22:48
  I
• 22:48
  feel
• 22:48
  more
• 22:48
  connected
• 22:49
  to
• 22:49
  the
• 22:49
  person
• 22:49
  that
• 22:50
  I'm
• 22:50
  mourning.
• 22:51
  I
• 22:51
  feel
• 22:51
  like
• 22:51
  it's
• 22:52
  appropriate.
• 22:52
  And
• 22:53
  then
• 22:53
  over,
• 22:53
  of
• 22:53
  course,
• 22:53
  over
• 22:54
  time,
• 22:54
  those
• 22:54
  feelings
• 22:55
  lessen.
• 22:56
  But
• 22:56
  when
• 22:56
  I
• 22:56
  feel
• 22:56
  like
• 22:57
  when
• 22:57
  you're
• 22:57
  doing
• 22:57
  things
• 22:58
  that
• 22:58
  are
• 22:58
  appropriate
• 22:58
  and
• 22:59
  harmonious
• 22:59
  with
• 22:59
  your
• 22:59
  circumstances,
• 23:00
  there's
• 23:01
  joy
• 23:02
  deep
• 23:02
  within
• 23:02
  that.
• 23:04
  I
• 23:05
  think
• 23:05
  that
• 23:05
  just
• 23:06
  describes
• 23:07
  the
• 23:07
  whole,
• 23:07
  like,
• 23:08
  you
• 23:08
  need
• 23:08
  to
• 23:09
  let
• 23:09
  your
• 23:10
  emotions
• 23:11
  go
• 23:11
  free
• 23:12
  in
• 23:12
  order
• 23:12
  to,
• 23:13
  like,
• 23:13
  live
• 23:14
  them
• 23:14
  fully
• 23:14
  and.
• 23:15
  And
• 23:15
  move
• 23:15
  forward.
• 23:16
  Like,
• 23:16
  if
• 23:16
  you're
• 23:17
  feeling
• 23:17
  really
• 23:18
  terrible
• 23:18
  about
• 23:19
  something,
• 23:19
  you
• 23:19
  shouldn't
• 23:20
  box
• 23:20
  them
• 23:20
  up
• 23:21
  or
• 23:21
  bottle
• 23:21
  them
• 23:21
  up.
• 23:23
  You
• 23:23
  should
• 23:24
  really
• 23:24
  dig
• 23:25
  deep
• 23:25
  into
• 23:25
  it.
• 23:26
  And
• 23:26
  then
• 23:27
  in
• 23:27
  that
• 23:28
  process,
• 23:28
  you
• 23:28
  become.
• 23:30
  More.
• 23:31
  More
• 23:31
  whole.
• 23:32
  I
• 23:32
  want
• 23:32
  to
• 23:32
  say,
• 23:33
  like,
• 23:33
  more
• 23:33
  human.
• 23:34
  Yeah.
• 23:36
  By
• 23:36
  doing
• 23:36
  that
• 23:36
  really
• 23:37
  makes
• 23:37
  sense.
• 23:38
  I
• 23:38
  do
• 23:38
  think
• 23:39
  that
• 23:39
  there
• 23:39
  might
• 23:40
  be
• 23:40
  some
• 23:41
  biopsychological
• 23:42
  reasons
• 23:43
  we
• 23:43
  might
• 23:43
  have
• 23:43
  even
• 23:43
  evolved
• 23:44
  to
• 23:44
  feel
• 23:44
  these
• 23:45
  momentary
• 23:46
  states.
• 23:47
  And
• 23:47
  I
• 23:47
  really
• 23:48
  do
• 23:48
  think
• 23:48
  that
• 23:48
  if
• 23:49
  we
• 23:49
  experience
• 23:49
  them
• 23:50
  in
• 23:50
  the
• 23:50
  moment,
• 23:50
  then
• 23:51
  we're
• 23:52
  able
• 23:52
  to
• 23:52
  figure
• 23:52
  out
• 23:53
  ways
• 23:53
  we
• 23:53
  can
• 23:54
  improve
• 23:54
  our
• 23:55
  current
• 23:55
  circumstances.
• 23:56
  So
• 23:56
  then
• 23:57
  we
• 23:57
  can
• 23:57
  improve.
• 23:58
  Alleviate
• 23:58
  those
• 23:59
  temporary
• 23:59
  states
• 24:00
  and.
• 24:02
  Improve
• 24:02
  it
• 24:03
  so
• 24:03
  that
• 24:03
  we
• 24:03
  can
• 24:04
  move
• 24:04
  on
• 24:04
  from
• 24:04
  it.
• 24:05
  So
• 24:05
  they
• 24:05
  could
• 24:05
  be
• 24:06
  sort
• 24:06
  of
• 24:06
  like
• 24:07
  signifiers
• 24:08
  that
• 24:08
  we
• 24:09
  evolved
• 24:10
  with
• 24:10
  to
• 24:10
  help
• 24:10
  us
• 24:12
  develop
• 24:12
  from
• 24:12
  our
• 24:13
  temporary
• 24:13
  states.
• 24:15
  Interesting.
• 24:16
  I
• 24:16
  have
• 24:16
  a
• 24:16
  new
• 24:16
  idea,
• 24:17
  if
• 24:17
  that's
• 24:18
  okay.
• 24:19
  My
• 24:19
  new
• 24:20
  idea
• 24:20
  is.
• 24:22
  I
• 24:22
  think
• 24:24
  my
• 24:24
  generation
• 24:25
  is
• 24:26
  getting
• 24:26
  really
• 24:27
  good
• 24:27
  at
• 24:28
  digging
• 24:28
  into
• 24:29
  some
• 24:29
  emotions
• 24:29
  and
• 24:30
  not
• 24:30
  others,
• 24:31
  I
• 24:31
  think.
• 24:32
  And
• 24:32
  for
• 24:32
  example,
• 24:34
  I'm
• 24:34
  thinking
• 24:35
  about
• 24:35
  the
• 24:36
  horror
• 24:36
  film
• 24:37
  genre.
• 24:38
  I
• 24:38
  think
• 24:39
  that
• 24:39
  my
• 24:39
  generation
• 24:40
  is
• 24:40
  being,
• 24:41
  is,
• 24:42
  is
• 24:42
  training
• 24:43
  itself
• 24:43
  to
• 24:43
  be
• 24:44
  very
• 24:44
  good
• 24:44
  at
• 24:45
  responding
• 24:45
  to
• 24:46
  frightening
• 24:47
  things,
• 24:48
  but
• 24:48
  not
• 24:48
  very
• 24:48
  good
• 24:49
  at
• 24:49
  responding
• 24:50
  to
• 24:50
  sad
• 24:51
  things.
• 24:52
  So
• 24:52
  they're,
• 24:52
  they're
• 24:53
  letting
• 24:53
  themselves
• 24:54
  be
• 24:54
  scared
• 24:55
  over
• 24:55
  and
• 24:56
  over
• 24:56
  every
• 24:56
  time
• 24:56
  they
• 24:56
  go
• 24:56
  see
• 24:57
  a
• 24:57
  new
• 24:57
  horror
• 24:57
  film.
• 24:58
  And
• 24:58
  then
• 24:59
  they
• 24:59
  are
• 25:01
  almost.
• 25:03
  Dimming
• 25:03
  their,
• 25:04
  their
• 25:04
  insides
• 25:05
  because
• 25:05
  of
• 25:05
  it.
• 25:06
  And
• 25:06
  so
• 25:06
  then
• 25:07
  they,
• 25:07
  they
• 25:07
  don't
• 25:07
  react
• 25:08
  as
• 25:08
  strongly
• 25:09
  the
• 25:09
  next
• 25:09
  time
• 25:09
  they
• 25:09
  see
• 25:09
  something
• 25:10
  scary.
• 25:10
  They're.
• 25:11
  I
• 25:12
  can't
• 25:12
  think
• 25:12
  of
• 25:12
  the
• 25:12
  word
• 25:12
  right
• 25:12
  now,
• 25:13
  but.
• 25:14
  And
• 25:15
  then
• 25:15
  like
• 25:15
  in
• 25:15
  contrast
• 25:16
  the.
• 25:16
  They're
• 25:17
  like
• 25:17
  really
• 25:18
  bad
• 25:18
  at
• 25:18
  dealing
• 25:19
  with
• 25:19
  their
• 25:19
  sadness.
• 25:22
  So
• 25:22
  that,
• 25:23
  that's
• 25:23
  my
• 25:23
  new
• 25:23
  thought.
• 25:26
  You
• 25:26
  know,
• 25:27
  one
• 25:27
  of
• 25:27
  the
• 25:27
  points
• 25:28
  that
• 25:28
  I
• 25:28
  recall
• 25:29
  in
• 25:29
  this
• 25:30
  context
• 25:31
  was
• 25:31
  that
• 25:32
  I
• 25:32
  was
• 25:32
  in
• 25:32
  a
• 25:32
  relationship
• 25:33
  in
• 25:33
  2000.
• 25:35
  With
• 25:36
  a
• 25:36
  woman
• 25:36
  and
• 25:38
  after
• 25:38
  a
• 25:38
  very
• 25:38
  short
• 25:39
  time
• 25:40
  she
• 25:40
  left.
• 25:40
  And
• 25:40
  I
• 25:41
  was
• 25:41
  in
• 25:41
  grief
• 25:42
  for
• 25:42
  a
• 25:42
  long
• 25:43
  time.
• 25:43
  And
• 25:44
  part
• 25:44
  of
• 25:44
  the
• 25:45
  thing
• 25:45
  that
• 25:45
  I
• 25:45
  had
• 25:45
  learned
• 25:46
  about
• 25:46
  grief
• 25:47
  was
• 25:47
  the
• 25:48
  fastest
• 25:49
  way
• 25:49
  out
• 25:50
  of
• 25:50
  it
• 25:50
  was
• 25:50
  straight
• 25:51
  through
• 25:51
  it.
• 25:52
  And
• 25:53
  that
• 25:53
  was,
• 25:54
  that
• 25:54
  was
• 25:54
  very
• 25:54
  useful.
• 25:55
  And
• 25:55
  actually
• 25:56
  the
• 25:56
  end
• 25:56
  of
• 25:57
  it
• 25:57
  was
• 25:59
  this
• 25:59
  idea
• 25:59
  that
• 25:59
  I
• 26:00
  got
• 26:00
  from
• 26:00
  Alan
• 26:00
  Watts
• 26:01
  again.
• 26:04
  Was.
• 26:04
  And
• 26:05
  again
• 26:05
  to.
• 26:05
  To
• 26:06
  speak
• 26:07
  about
• 26:07
  it
• 26:07
  in
• 26:07
  a
• 26:08
  Zen
• 26:08
  Buddhist
• 26:09
  way.
• 26:09
  It's
• 26:09
  a
• 26:09
  mosquito
• 26:10
  biting
• 26:10
  an
• 26:10
  iron
• 26:11
  bull.
• 26:12
  And
• 26:12
  the
• 26:12
  mosquito
• 26:13
  has
• 26:13
  to
• 26:13
  bite
• 26:14
  and
• 26:14
  the
• 26:15
  iron
• 26:15
  bull
• 26:15
  can't
• 26:16
  be
• 26:16
  bitten.
• 26:17
  And
• 26:18
  the,
• 26:19
  that's
• 26:19
  the
• 26:19
  illusion
• 26:20
  of
• 26:20
  separateness,
• 26:20
  that
• 26:21
  I
• 26:21
  am
• 26:22
  me
• 26:22
  and
• 26:22
  you
• 26:22
  are
• 26:23
  you,
• 26:23
  and
• 26:23
  I
• 26:23
  want
• 26:24
  you
• 26:24
  and.
• 26:25
  But
• 26:26
  for
• 26:26
  some
• 26:26
  reason
• 26:26
  you
• 26:27
  don't
• 26:27
  want
• 26:27
  me.
• 26:27
  And.
• 26:28
  But
• 26:28
  wait,
• 26:29
  what's,
• 26:30
  what's
• 26:30
  the
• 26:31
  sum
• 26:31
  total
• 26:31
  of
• 26:32
  all
• 26:32
  this
• 26:32
  in
• 26:32
  a
• 26:32
  larger
• 26:33
  context?
• 26:34
  And
• 26:34
  it
• 26:35
  is
• 26:35
  just,
• 26:35
  oh,
• 26:36
  this
• 26:36
  is
• 26:36
  what
• 26:36
  the
• 26:36
  cosmos
• 26:37
  is
• 26:37
  doing
• 26:37
  here.
• 26:39
  So
• 26:39
  there
• 26:39
  isn't
• 26:39
  any
• 26:39
  separated
• 26:40
  Anthony
• 26:41
  or
• 26:42
  the
• 26:42
  person
• 26:43
  that
• 26:44
  I
• 26:44
  cared
• 26:44
  for.
• 26:45
  It
• 26:45
  was
• 26:45
  just
• 26:46
  that
• 26:46
  the
• 26:46
  cosmos
• 26:46
  was
• 26:47
  doing
• 26:47
  that.
• 26:49
  And,
• 26:49
  and
• 26:49
  that
• 26:49
  made
• 26:50
  it
• 26:51
  much
• 26:53
  more
• 26:54
  on.
• 26:58
  Comprehendable
• 26:59
  to
• 26:59
  me
• 27:00
  in
• 27:00
  that
• 27:01
  I
• 27:01
  could
• 27:01
  just
• 27:02
  let
• 27:02
  go
• 27:02
  and
• 27:02
  say,
• 27:03
  oh,
• 27:03
  okay,
• 27:04
  that's
• 27:04
  what
• 27:04
  the
• 27:04
  cosmos
• 27:05
  is
• 27:05
  doing.
• 27:08
  So
• 27:08
  the
• 27:08
  other
• 27:08
  thing
• 27:09
  that
• 27:09
  the
• 27:09
  cosmos
• 27:10
  is
• 27:10
  doing
• 27:10
  is
• 27:10
  that
• 27:10
  we
• 27:10
  have
• 27:11
  to
• 27:11
  take
• 27:11
  a
• 27:11
  short
• 27:11
  break.
• 27:12
  I'm
• 27:12
  Anthony
• 27:13
  Wright.
• 27:13
  And
• 27:13
  I
• 27:14
  am
• 27:14
  your
• 27:14
  co
• 27:14
  host
• 27:15
  today
• 27:15
  with
• 27:17
  Adam
• 27:17
  de.
• 27:18
  Adam
• 27:18
  Dees.
• 27:19
  And
• 27:19
  we
• 27:20
  are
• 27:20
  on
• 27:21
  the
• 27:22
  show
• 27:23
  that's
• 27:23
  called
• 27:23
  the
• 27:23
  Living
• 27:24
  Conversation
• 27:25
  with
• 27:25
  the
• 27:25
  Sonoma
• 27:26
  State
• 27:26
  University
• 27:27
  Philosophy
• 27:27
  Club.
• 27:28
  And
• 27:28
  how
• 27:28
  can
• 27:28
  people
• 27:29
  contact
• 27:29
  you
• 27:29
  guys?
• 27:31
  Yeah,
• 27:31
  so
• 27:31
  we're
• 27:31
  just
• 27:32
  on
• 27:32
  Instagram
• 27:33
  @SSU
• 27:34
  Philosophy
• 27:35
  Club.
• 27:35
  Check
• 27:35
  us
• 27:35
  out.
• 27:36
  Reach
• 27:36
  out
• 27:36
  anytime.
• 27:37
  And
• 27:37
  I'll
• 27:37
  be
• 27:37
  the
• 27:37
  one
• 27:37
  answering.
• 27:39
  Great.
• 27:40
  All
• 27:40
  right,
• 27:41
  we'll
• 27:41
  be.
• 27:41
  We'll
• 27:42
  take
• 27:42
  a
• 27:42
  short
• 27:42
  break
• 27:42
  and
• 27:42
  be
• 27:42
  right
• 27:43
  back,
• 27:43
  so
• 27:43
  stay
• 27:43
  tuned.