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PMP POD WEEK 9: Packers Fall In The Trap 16-13 VS The Panthers, Redzone Offense Embarrasses, Defense Gets Pumped By Rico, Take News: Matt Needs To Let It Rip With Love, Eagles Preview · The Poor Man‘s Packers Podcast

• 0:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: The only thing that we would hang manners for that would put up around this building is World Championships.
• 0:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: Bill Taft, BTA, and you know the message is clear, you know, we just had to play better.
• 0:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: Everybody wants to take a chip and dip it in that salsa, if you know what I'm saying.
• 0:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, people had us as a really good team, but I don't think they've written on it's not how good we can really be.
• 0:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: What's up, guys?
• 0:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: This is Jeff Manis.
• 0:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: You're listening to four man's Packers Hot Wheels.
• 0:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: Hello, and welcome to another edition of Protein's Packers Packers Packers Packers Packers In the state of Reminds, I am a Spencer joined this week with Todd Todd, hello, and the Green Bay Packers did not put their best foot forward Perhaps it was a foot in a trap, losing 16 to 13 Sunday at Lambo Field against the Carolina Panthers Bryce Young, I mean, a pretty good, I mean, eight, they're over 500
• 1:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: Right, we lost to a other with their five and four.
• 1:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, five and four.
• 1:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: So maybe it's not that bad.
• 1:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: Are they good?
• 1:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: I can't even not.
• 1:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't watch any Panthers games.
• 1:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think they're good.
• 1:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think they're good.
• 1:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think they're who's good.
• 1:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, whoo.
• 1:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: Rico.
• 1:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Rico's Rico's good because Chuba was pretty solid last year and he's like an after thought now.
• 1:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think they're like I said last week.
• 1:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think they have a pretty solid coach.
• 1:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I mean just the plan that they came in with obviously worked pretty well.
• 1:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: Hey, we're going to run.
• 1:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: We're going to make it a low possession game and try not to make mistakes.
• 1:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: And that's what happened and it worked out for him.
• 1:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: and McMillan's a little bit of a baller too for a rookie.
• 1:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't know if he did it ton, but his plays were...
• 1:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: It had a couple nice catches.
• 1:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, four receptions, 46 yards long as 16, so yeah, I mean, a couple.
• 1:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I think he was like the only receiver that really made any plays.
• 2:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he had four receptions and no other receiver had more than one.
• 2:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: Rico had two.
• 2:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: I want Xavier LaGat to be good just because of the interviews that wouldn't sue if he had some star power, but he seems like a little bit of a ghost back there.
• 2:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he's a knucklehead, he was a weird like fifth year senior breakout, which never ever happens, which why, and like a lot of draft spheres, he was seen as like a red flag, and that's kind of came to be like he's almost like, uh,
• 2:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: Cordell Patterson, where he's not much of a route runner, and there.
• 2:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: Evan Williams doesn't think so either, because he tried to kill him on that one reception, where he just had to.
• 2:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: Probably should also.
• 2:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: Also, was there acting involved?
• 2:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: Because he laid there for a little while, and then he just popped up.
• 2:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
• 2:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
• 2:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's also some of those guys who seem a little, what's the term we use?
• 2:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm I'm really excited to hear what you have say not cerebral perhaps where it's like maybe it's like oh All of a sudden.
• 3:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh my brain is off.
• 3:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it's back on and rewired again.
• 3:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm actually okay and that once it's on it's just full power
• 3:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: Um, but yeah, Packers, like I said, verse, you know, sky is falling, but we're still tops of the NFC North.
• 3:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: We go to the number one seed in the NFC to the four seed I believe.
• 3:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: Not a fun game, Todd.
• 3:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think you watched much of the game live, if at all.
• 3:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: No, I didn't see any of the game live, so then I watched the condensed version after just recently as recent as today, actually.
• 3:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: Thanks for saying.
• 3:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: it was the kinets version sucks by the way like to get like a feel for the game it sucks it's good because you can roll through a game in like 30 minutes but I don't know if it was the same thing for you the the kinets version on nfl plus which always sucks
• 3:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: The Savion Williams play happens and then it go if it was in the wrong order.
• 4:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: It was in the wrong order So then it reverts back to like three plays earlier and then a saving grace is that it shows when when the Savion Fumble happens during love is five for five and when the next play he's four for four.
• 4:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's the savior like okay
• 4:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: Alright, this is wrong.
• 4:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: They made a mistake, but I was like, what's happening?
• 4:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like having not been actually watching the game?
• 4:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: I am kind of bummed that I missed this game too because I love Greg Olson.
• 4:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he was fine.
• 4:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: He was fine with the color content.
• 4:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: He was tall enough.
• 4:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, he talked about the kicking thing maybe a little bit too much in picking which side of the field.
• 4:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it ended up, you know, being a big component of the game.
• 4:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and like the two minute warning when we're running.
• 4:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's like, why are you running the ball so much that even was part of the condensed version to I know it popped up, but yes, yep.
• 4:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, not a fun game 1613 Todd, what was your big thought after watching this game.
• 4:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: This felt just like a situational loss, right?
• 4:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like we out out yardage to them by a hundred yards.
• 5:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: watching the game, it's like, you know, I knew obviously we lost watching the game, but it's like we're kind of like a little bit of chunk plays here and there and like seem like we're moving and then you get to the red zone and it just falls apart.
• 5:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: So it was like felt very much like a situational, you get into the red zone, there's a flag, there's a fumble, there's whatever, I don't know if Sabion's was actually in the red zone or not, but you get down there, close enough to the red zone and it's just like things just fell apart.
• 5:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: my takeaway.
• 5:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
• 5:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's just that that is what this team is like we play down to the level of our opponent or up to the level of our opponent it seems.
• 5:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: And some weeks you're on, some weeks you're not.
• 5:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: We're not consistent.
• 5:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think that that's just, that's the thing.
• 5:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: And it feel like that's a young team thing too.
• 5:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: Don't you like, you kind of play up or down to your opponent when you're a young team a little bit.
• 6:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: An experienced maybe is better than saying young.
• 6:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: True, but it's just it's getting to the point now where it seems to be happening too often like I've really felt this way Like I said last week I believe like since that bears game last year where it's just the managing of things at times You know, it would pop up in the past as well But it does seem like maybe Aaron Rogers just having a stronger voice in the offensive game plan than journal love does might be part of it too because I think you know
• 6:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: Rogers wouldn't want to have guys on the field that he doesn't trust.
• 6:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: And now anyone can be out on the field at any given time.
• 6:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's just I agree with that a hundred percent.
• 6:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's too often we're in two plays with too many variables.
• 6:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: Be it some type of pitch where you need your lead blocker to seal where or a screen play where you need the receiver to block.
• 7:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: and the confidence of the team seems to waver just like Matt LaFlor is confident seems to waver at times too.
• 7:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like he on Monday and this is a little little thing.
• 7:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's probably nothing but it's something with the way the game went.
• 7:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think obviously the big turning point was that fourth and eight where we ended up going for it.
• 7:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: So a couple of things
• 7:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: It was 3rd and 4.
• 7:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: We call a screenplay to manual Wilson.
• 7:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: We lose 40 yards because you're asking three guys, I believe it was dobs.
• 7:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe Savion and John Fitzpatrick.
• 7:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: No, it's Malik Heath.
• 7:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: It was Malik Heath.
• 7:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: Not Savion.
• 7:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: And Malikit doesn't get his block, albeit he's one of the better blocking receivers on the team, but then he lose 40 yards.
• 7:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: So now it's 4th and 8.
• 8:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: And it's like the inverse of what happened with the Cardinals game where you know we went for it when we should have.
• 8:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well this time it's like Matt wanted to keep with that aggressive mindset.
• 8:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: So we go for on 4th of 8th fourth and 8th should have kicked the field goal and then you don't really have a great game plan and on top of it you didn't have Christian Watson on the field either who's been a playmaker since coming back he went in the concussion protocol like six plays earlier like he got hit in the head and then he was out all those plays leading up to that fourth down it's like Matt just kick the field goal if you don't have like he called the time out don't have the guys you
• 8:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: And you don't have the guys in that moment for that play, you burn a time out for no good reason.
• 8:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then we, you know, he burns the time out and I'm like, whenever they burn a time out on a play like that beforehand, I'm like, as long as it works out in the end, I don't give a shit about the time out.
• 8:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: But if it doesn't work out, obviously it makes it much worse.
• 8:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: And when you have such a shitty play,
• 8:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: where Jordan loves running around for like a chicken with his head cut off.
• 9:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: I actually didn't heat the play as much as other people did because no receiver seemed to want to help the quarterback out at all of some press of that Jordan was able to keep that play alive as much as he did.
• 9:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then the throw was just dog shit, but then Romeo dobs didn't even go after the ball.
• 9:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: If Romeo didn't give up on that play, the way that the ball came off that defender's hand, that could've been a touchdown.
• 9:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, he was close to catching that off the deflection anyways, but it was just a perfect encapsulation of what's been wrong this season when things aren't going right.
• 9:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: I also think like just like we need to just give the reins to Jordan.
• 9:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like this needs to be Jordan loves offense.
• 9:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's not Josh Jacobs' offense anymore.
• 9:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: It needs to be Jordan loves offense.
• 9:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: Josh Jacobs' in certain situations, great.
• 9:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: He had a good game.
• 9:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: He was one of those games where you look back.
• 9:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 9:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: And he averaged 5.5 yards of carry, actually, which is a little surprising.
• 10:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: which I think is awesome, but I just also think that this offensive line isn't meant to run block.
• 10:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: And like even like you see, I'm moving out in space on those screenplayers, and it's like they're just completely whiffing on blocks in the screen game.
• 10:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: I just, there's not, like, not to say that it can't get better.
• 10:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: It can get better, but like, this is, I
• 10:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: Things are best when Jordan love is running the offense, pushing the ball down the field and just being him and like taking being a little bit risky.
• 10:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like that's when the offense is the best.
• 10:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: Let's do it.
• 10:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: Let's keep doing it.
• 10:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: We don't need to run the ball all second half.
• 10:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: and we'll get to that more with take news too.
• 10:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, the thing I was trying to get to at the beginning there and didn't LaFlor said in his Monday presser that when he talked to the team on Monday, he talked to the team how the difference with going for it and kicking it according to their analytics was like 1%.
• 10:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: Which one is not true?
• 10:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: Someone else pulled the numbers and it was like an 8% difference or more But either way the fact that Matt felt like he had to tell his team that it was only a 1% difference with that play call It shows you that he's lost in his own mind and he's not confident on what he's doing where he has to tell his team No, it's okay that we did what we did and it's like that's just another one of those little things where I'm like man I don't know.
• 11:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what's going on.
• 11:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's actually more concerning than anything else
• 11:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: actually sucks again this episode will talk offense defense take news we're going to talk about mental floor of course you know I don't think is see this hot maybe it's warming up and we'll still have to you know if you want mental floor fired right now you're fucking idiot but if we have similar things to end the year maybe maybe we'll have to have a talk well of stump spiny and we will preview the Eagles game ageu dillon revenge game the
• 11:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: Um, yeah, offense.
• 11:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: Again, I mean, 13 points.
• 12:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: Just such a weird game, such a shitty game.
• 12:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it was bad, but it wasn't terrible.
• 12:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, after having the first year of Jordan Love, I think we have a baseline of what a real bad offense is.
• 12:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: Again, like the first half of that season, if we got past the 50 yard line, we felt pretty good.
• 12:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, no, I know that's a terrible baseline to have, but every, we didn't punt a single time this game.
• 12:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: The only time we didn't make it to the red zone or close to it was, uh, Jordan loves airpunt or throwpunt, where he threw that terrible interception.
• 12:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: But it's just, even the first half, like, again, I know a lot of us are sour on Matt or Floor right now.
• 12:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: first drive, saving on fumbles, maybe argue he shouldn't be out there.
• 12:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm kind of sick of the saving on gadget shit.
• 12:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: The second time we're in the red zone or second possession, we get a hold, we get a fall start and we get sacked.
• 12:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I don't know how much of that is on mat either.
• 13:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then the last drive to the last possession we had at the half, we get the field goal.
• 13:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: We should have probably not ran it as much as we did.
• 13:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: But we still move the ball and got to the red zone
• 13:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: things were bad, but I don't think they were as terrible as, you know, it felt once the game was over.
• 13:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it did feel like it was just a few, it was like, it was drives would just stall.
• 13:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: And like that's that, it's just drive killer penalties, whatever mistakes and stuff like that.
• 13:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: That just killed I don't know it's just a couple plays really if you wipe if you could take away just if you could pick which you can if you could pick three plays and pull them out of the game It's like the game could be completely different we could have scored two more touchdowns You just pull a couple of those plays that kill drives and then it's a different game so
• 13:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: It sucks more that it was at home.
• 13:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 13:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: You'd almost be able to give this like a Mulligan if it's on the road and a tough atmosphere, you know, you got to see Adela or something like that, or it's a tough place to play.
• 13:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: But it's like, we're at home.
• 14:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: I get it was windy.
• 14:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 14:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: It was a fact.
• 14:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: There was a perfect little storm for for that game.
• 14:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: Noon, too, of course.
• 14:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: If it was a three o'clock game, I don't think we lose.
• 14:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't know.
• 14:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's just one of those things where he's like, yeah, it was like the perfect storm for things to go bad Tucker or sweet boy.
• 14:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we'll have to talk about that.
• 14:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I mean, it was really the red zone offense that was the difference in this game.
• 14:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: We're one of the better red zone offenses and the lead going into it.
• 14:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then we went one for five in this game when, you know, when we got there.
• 14:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: Jordan love gonna talk about him obviously 26 out of 37 273 yards One pick no touchdowns.
• 14:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: He was sack the one time.
• 14:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it was a it was Jordan love I think because we hadn't had a A dad tax throw Definitely didn't have one last week.
• 14:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't remember if there was against the cardinals, maybe not one actually bit us
• 14:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: there was a dad tax play it just didn't like we didn't have to pay the taxes it was the Tucker crowd oh yeah but it worked yeah but it didn't work I'm just saying like that was like the iris knocked that we just didn't answer the door I didn't
• 15:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: I still think it built up in this game and then it was a terrible, I mean, there's so many of you can the the bottom five picks for Jordan loves career are so bad because there's so many that you could argue it's the worst pick of his career.
• 15:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: This one was so bad.
• 15:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: Even triple coverage, Christian one, the triple coverage things of that's a bit of a like, hey.
• 15:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: Even if and I think he was well, he was throwing it with the wind and maybe it carried it, but it's like even just try to throw it along the sideline a little bit not right to that safety
• 15:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: Also you got to step into the throw a little just just a little the 4th and 8th row is also pretty bad, but I don't blame that much or as much of that on love as it would floor or the receivers that know and how to play a scramble drill
• 16:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like that was actually a that's the savvy cool.
• 16:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: Me two guys miss and get close to the first don't you believe?
• 16:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: The back-to-back deep balls were fun.
• 16:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: It felt like journal love was almost like frustrated with all the short shit from the first drive That when you guys are the second drive.
• 16:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's like, I'm just gonna throw a deep to golden
• 16:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: which wasn't terrible.
• 16:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think it was not a great decision.
• 16:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: I like the way golden tried to catch the ball, but it was a tough one.
• 16:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
• 16:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then Christian Watson, I mean, the growth he's shown on those deep balls.
• 16:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: He was so bad at it early on.
• 16:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: And now it's like he actually knows how to time those jumps.
• 16:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then level also had that beautiful pass floating over the line backer to dobs later in the game.
• 16:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: That was nice too.
• 16:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: So again, it was still more good than bad.
• 16:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: But the bad was about as bad as it gets in this game.
• 17:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: that pass over the linebacker was the who does the sickle throw of the week you've seen those tweets right is it morally or ugly.
• 17:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I think morally does the yeah Jacob morally does the sickle throw is I believe actually kind of like it at first I was like that's not like it but now I'm like I'm like oh this is good like these are actually like he's picking out the good throws love it wasn't the problem
• 17:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: This week like I like you said the dad taxes come in for you.
• 17:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's gonna have a bad throw every game this week He had a couple bad throws, but like that's not the problem like love played Fine play good enough to win the game if the Panthers put up 16 points.
• 17:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's not the issue
• 17:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: So it's been I think the the the chart for who do you trust more it's been I've been trust and Jordan love more of the map of floor more and more as time has gone on recently here Why receivers?
• 17:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean dobs of course leading receiver I wrote this down he's like the least flashy number one receiver and the leg well It's funny because he seems to have notoriety Leg wide because of his Gardening cap for one is guarding that's just like a viral thing
• 18:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: Especially in the Brown Guardian cap is so great to the guy actually had like like okay We have to like get up printed Yeah, like 50's helmet guardian cap or whatever it is Him and see beyond yeah, and you knew the the Packers like tweeted out that picture from practicing immediately Because they knew it was gonna do numbers and of course it did get I think even like in Rappaport quote tweeted it It came out because everyone knows about the gardening cap.
• 18:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's funny
• 18:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like the least flashy number on receiver.
• 18:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: He reminds me of Devontate Adams in this way where early on or though like 2019, 2020, 2021 Devontate Adams and Rogers were just always on the same page where it's like you look after the game.
• 18:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, oh, it was like the least exciting 100 yard game, you know, from Devontate Adams right and now with
• 19:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: with dobs.
• 19:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's like every single week he's getting at least 70 yards where it's like those throws over the middle Which are his bread and butter which is also the reason why he wears the card.
• 19:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's always had so he's always concussions by getting the ball over the middle.
• 19:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yep
• 19:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, always over 60 yards, the, so, okay, so we'll talk about this.
• 19:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: The no PI, Colin Romeo, Dubs, when he slipped on the grass, so I, Billion, I watch this game at Gabe's, I forget exactly what it's called Gabe's Barton Grill, maybe now in St. Paul, great place, food was good, I mean, you just south of Koma, right?
• 19:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, filled with packer fans, I mean, you felt like you were in Wisconsin there in the middle
• 19:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: after going to lintlake the brewery in uptown which had been great for five years that out of business now they're closed already p and the herkamer before that but the herkamer is was more of a bar setting like uh the herk tavern and St. Louis Park this old very regional uh but games it was the same thing
• 20:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: We're sitting, and I forgot what it's like to watch a game in a busy bar because the one thing that pisses me off is when you're owned a bunch of fucking idiots and we were around a bunch of old ass idiots.
• 20:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know what I hate?
• 20:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know what I hate more than anything when you're watching a game.
• 20:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: when Mark works.
• 20:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, when we're on defense and the quarterback gets the snap and people are yelling at the TV this time.
• 20:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: It was like an older woman, get on, get on.
• 20:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, do you think this is going to help and it was every other defensive play?
• 20:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: I was like, you have to go.
• 20:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: So those people would be like, you got to go to the games, like you got to go, you got to, you need front row tickets.
• 20:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: Also a group of fans every first down every single first down and it was all old people.
• 20:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: Billy and I were we're in the G Geriatric Geriatric section of the restaurant.
• 20:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
• 20:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
• 20:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: One guy.
• 20:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: He sat down at her table.
• 20:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: He asked if he could because he couldn't see at his table He's missing teeth.
• 20:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: I swear to God.
• 20:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: He said this.
• 21:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's like I've I've been from Ample to I've watched the Packers my whole life my dad Watch the Packers at Lambo when they wore these jerseys
• 21:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's just a great line and I'm sure it's true because this guy was ancient, but back to the Romeo Dobs PI call, you know, the thing that I hate is when people think they know exactly what happened once the plays over.
• 21:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: And that play happens and everyone's like throw the flag, throw the flat in, you know, the woman who was pissing me off and then, uh,
• 21:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: She sounds wonderful.
• 21:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: They showed the replay and he clearly slips.
• 21:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: He clearly just So I go I go I guess he just slipped I wasn't really trying to make any friends, but did they love it?
• 21:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: No, I wasn't looking at that I mean I still wonder if everyone there was of sound mine, but it was just incredibly annoying But I I'll probably go back there, but it was just one of those it was a bad sound like a fun atmosphere It sounds like my type of crowd.
• 21:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: We won't be sitting by the old people next time.
• 21:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: We're
• 21:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: there, but, yeah, Romeo Dobbs.
• 22:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: I love Romeo Dobbs on the slants too, and he, again, he almost could, I wish the big negative was not playing the full playout on that fourth and eight and not trying to catch that ball.
• 22:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: Watson, the huge pick up on the deep ball on 3rd and 12, that was fun.
• 22:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: The 3rd and 11 screen pass to Matthew Golden, Golden didn't have much in this game, so Christian Watson, 2 for 50, and obviously will be along for 52.
• 22:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: Matthew golden two for nine, which has been like a weird stat that he's had like the last two or three weeks.
• 22:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: It feels like But like again, the third and eleven in the screen past a golden like that would that's the shit that annoys me Which led to the miss field goal by McMass, which we'll talk about and then we'll eat Keith have a nice big catch on fourth and fourth and three late in the game as well.
• 22:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's he's the percentage of milk keeps Receptions on fourth down might be like 25% this season
• 22:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's actually insane and like good catches too.
• 22:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: They're not like I mean this one this week was a give me.
• 23:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yes But there's been some tough ones and he's it's it's impressive.
• 23:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's James Jones.
• 23:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: He drops the easy ones He's a hard worker.
• 23:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: He'll block most of the time and then he'll have fantastic catches and he'll be reliable on fourth down But yeah receivers any any big thoughts with the receivers in this game?
• 23:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: No, I think I do want to just see golden more involved.
• 23:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's like the same thing like you're saying like every week.
• 23:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's you was out in the second half with the shoulder injury.
• 23:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, I just want to see him doing different things.
• 23:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like I don't know if his route tree is just it's just a small options that we have to work with or like what the actual issue is.
• 23:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: Or if it's just the fact that he's a rookie and it's getting him involved this
• 23:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe that's it, but it's just like he's got the athleticism to do a lot and it would just be nice to see him more involved, especially with you know weapons kind of disappearing I think I think in the game plans, you know the scripted plays at the beginning, it seems like he's always involved But it's like I want more than the screen in short shit with him like that's not his bread and butter He's a deep ball guy shit over the middle feels like that mid that medium like
• 24:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: If he's running the same routes as Romeo does, it just feels like he can create more that Romeo, not Romeo is probably a better route runner right now, but you're absolutely right.
• 24:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: And we've seen that from Golden, the few opportunities he's had on those perceptions of this year.
• 24:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: Titans.
• 24:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: Alright, P.
• 24:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: this so sad this is like I would lose if you were like do you want to lose four more games in a row but keep Tucker I mean what's the limit five more games in a row but keep Tucker I I don't know I wouldn't go that well I'm going to say I wouldn't go that far but then I'm going to tell him I'll put this I thought about it if I could I know people say it all the time I would legitimately give up my ACL if he could if he could I would get like I literally
• 25:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: And it was such a lame like injury to it.
• 25:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like I've been worried about him getting hurt.
• 25:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: Obviously since he's turned into the Tucker craft, but it was such a like Sean Ryan gets undercut and he falls back and he steps on Tucker and it's just one little thing and you knew it wasn't good from the start You were hoping MCL you were praying for MCL, but then when he goes to the tent after and he's carted off
• 25:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: And kind of like the weirdest face to from whom which I did enjoy where he wasn't crying.
• 25:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't even see that.
• 25:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: He wasn't sad.
• 25:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: He was just like nothing.
• 25:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: It was just nothing.
• 25:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like he knew it wasn't good but not given up I guess.
• 25:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's just I had more confidence seeing him carted off like that.
• 25:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: We've had other players like Rogers giving carted off against the bears in 2018.
• 25:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: And it's like oh maybe they can still come back if they get carted off.
• 25:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, if if one player could have their ACL talker would be talker, but yeah, real real bummer there The I mean, we'll probably talk about it with take news to the I think the one couple positives He should be good to go at the beginning of training camp next year just with the timing of this You know nine months out should be august and you know we're bitching about Matt will floor and Maybe he's you know, I think we still think he's a smart guy.
• 26:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: He can come up with a good game game plan
• 26:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's at his best when his back is up against the wall.
• 26:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: 100% Jordan love his out when Devonta Adams is out when Aaron Jones is out, you know that Cardinals game a couple of years ago like being a few guys out in that game.
• 26:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like he's pretty good at coming up with game plans when he has to change things.
• 26:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: I just hope he actually tries to change things instead of just trying to replace Tucker craft with Luke Musgrave.
• 26:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, and I think, yeah, like to your point, like, he is better when he has to create.
• 26:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: Now when you task him with play calling in certain situations, it feels like sometimes that's a mess.
• 27:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: But like when you ask him to like create a new game plan from scratch, it does seem pretty impressive what he's done the past few years and like what he and Rogers did was very impressive.
• 27:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: So, I believe in, I believe in Matt LaFlor, in general, especially in the creative department, like, especially there.
• 27:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, there's other things to critique him on, but being creative with the offense is not something that I feel worthy of precisely.
• 27:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: At times it might be a detriment, even, but in this quarter percent might be.
• 27:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: But he will create,
• 27:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like, I just wonder what he's like in the meetings because he's for sure like we can do these 27 different things I have in my head that I drew up you know what I mean like figuring stuff out because I feel like he is very creative so I don't worry about that in Luke
• 27:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: Did, I mean, three for 34, but he didn't fall over.
• 28:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: He had that one who is going on a bounce, stayed up.
• 28:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: I was going to say, yeah, three for 34.
• 28:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: He had the big one for 21.
• 28:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: He went out of bounds and he got hit.
• 28:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: He didn't fall over the replayers that slipped in this game.
• 28:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: He did not.
• 28:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: It maybe he can turn the corner.
• 28:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I've obviously been very negative on him.
• 28:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'd say I would have traded him for a big ball as a couple of weeks ago.
• 28:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yep, but if you find, again, if you find a role for him,
• 28:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: And not just trying to make him be that all around Titan that Tuckercraft was, maybe we can turn him into something.
• 28:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I mean, again, all those catches came in that final drive of the game too.
• 28:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I don't know, I'm optimistic.
• 28:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's obviously not going to beat Tuckercraft, but maybe we can see some different wrinkle on the offensive with him getting more touches.
• 28:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: Sometimes it just takes an opportunity.
• 28:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: So maybe that's what this is and he can carve himself out a little niche.
• 28:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: Running backs can't set off the top, but hey, to how much we ran the ball in that two minute warning, it was actually ridiculous.
• 28:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: It felt like the end of the Cowboys game.
• 29:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: Craig Olson, obviously also saying, I don't know why they're running the ball so much.
• 29:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you could say that a lot of times this year.
• 29:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: But, I mean, again, Josh Jacobs, you leave the game, you're like, man, the run the game was great.
• 29:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: It actually wasn't bad if we stuck with the run more and just didn't try to fucking run through the pass.
• 29:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: At times at the fucking screensmanship, I think we would have been better off.
• 29:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: 17487, a 5.1 average, obviously the one touched on as well for receptions for 13 yards, one for seven, which was that first pass or reception of the game.
• 29:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: He had weird gloves with the throwback unies with like the white finger tips did you notice that?
• 29:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I did not.
• 29:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I was like brown in the back, but then like his finger tips were white.
• 29:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: It just looked a little different with him being an African American fellow where it's just like, oh, like, like, maybe he was a magician or something, you know, where it's just the tip sees of his fingers are a little weird.
• 29:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: Dishes have white tips.
• 29:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: So they have just a white gloves and general right he was miced up to and he set he switched his gloves from pregame to the regular Game or whatever, but yeah, it just looked a little goofy But yeah again, I mean he looked good couple explosive runs.
• 30:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: He average seven yards of carrying the first half of this game So I don't really have any complaints with him
• 30:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: Chris Brooks, he had a decent game too.
• 30:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: He had the two receptions.
• 30:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: The fourth and fourth row was perfect.
• 30:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: Again, just reliable.
• 30:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: Probably it's funny because Emmanuel Wilson had such a good game the previous week.
• 30:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: This week, he was six for 16 at 2.7-yard average and when we weren't pass blocking all that great.
• 30:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: He was one of the reasons why two Chris Brooks had more snaps in the second half than he did in the first and I think it helped the offense out a little bit.
• 30:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: Obviously the pass blocking it then running out.
• 30:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 30:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 30:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 30:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 30:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: 16 yards.
• 30:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: So that was nice.
• 30:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: And he ran right out of bounds due to save time.
• 30:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: But I don't know running backs.
• 30:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: It seems like they usually, or they should be, but in this game, they're an afterthought.
• 31:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 31:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: I felt like they're an afterthought.
• 31:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: But they're almost for the focus in the second half in the fourth quarter, which is just like, what's, I don't know.
• 31:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: There's just a little bit to unpack there.
• 31:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: The O-line, I mean, got the second half, love is getting pressured.
• 31:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: It felt like a lot more, a couple times.
• 31:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, got three times in this game, where interior pressure was immediate.
• 31:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: There was two where there was guys unblocked, and then the one where Jordan Morgan got beat right off the line for the sack.
• 31:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think...
• 31:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Love only got stacked the one time.
• 31:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: Love did step into that one though.
• 31:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: So he to be honest.
• 31:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: It looked like he stepped into it from the side, but then you watch from behind it and he really didn't have anywhere to go.
• 31:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: I swear maybe a little bit, but I mean he was fucked either which way.
• 31:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean it was the defensive tackling.
• 31:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: That like he made the decision so that Detackel shaded inside and then worked outside for the sack.
• 31:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: But it's like he loves look like he dropped his eyes and made a decision to run, which is a tough, but like you can critique any of that.
• 32:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and I mean, I usually give him the benefit of the doubt because he's been pretty good when we went in the pocket this year, too.
• 32:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's fine.
• 32:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, they were called for three holds, a couple fall starts, and several runs just got blown up for nothing.
• 32:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
• 32:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's weird.
• 32:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's so bad that today was the trade deadline.
• 32:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: And Josh Myers, the name was being brought up where legitimately our offensive line was probably better last year with Josh Myers in the middle in the Elton, John at guard and air banks not being on the field.
• 32:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: Air banks getting banged up in this game.
• 32:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know what?
• 32:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: He said
• 32:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: He wasn't playing in this game.
• 32:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: He was out.
• 32:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: He was, yeah.
• 32:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: And a good point, which is a very no duh point, but something I haven't thought about as much.
• 32:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: Jenkins, he obviously played some center in college, but Josh Myers, he played center his whole life.
• 33:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: And a lot of these issues were seen in protection might be just Elton not being as comfortable at the line calling out protections and things calling yeah, so That it's it's felt like it was getting a little bit better, but this was a little bit of a coming back down to earth type deal So I don't know it sucks because we don't really have anyone else who can play center on this team besides Jacob monk But you're not fucking put in Jacob monk in there.
• 33:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: No this time of the season so unless we absolutely have John which
• 33:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: Who is the backup center if Elton gets hurt because we've had that happen was it was it Sean Ryan?
• 33:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's right.
• 33:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so I don't know what we would do now I mean it's gonna be the point where if you want to try something Maybe you just get built in some snaps at guard because God Jordan Morgan It's up and down.
• 33:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's a fucking roller coaster with the right sometimes it's good and sometimes it's not good sometimes you get your quarterback
• 33:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I don't know.
• 33:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: I keep him in a hunt.
• 33:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
• 34:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: Long-term he's probably going to be the left tackle.
• 34:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: You might as well start having him be the backup tackle at this point and then maybe see a built-in playguard, but I don't know.
• 34:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: I've been all over the place with offensive line this year, so I can't really be too sturdy with the take now.
• 34:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: It does feel like we are training towards
• 34:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and I mean, like not bad.
• 34:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not calling them bad, but they're not great.
• 34:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
• 34:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
• 34:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: We'll see.
• 34:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe.
• 34:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, Aaron banks is he's had like six different body parts hurt this year.
• 34:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, what's wrong with him?
• 34:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's falling apart.
• 34:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: This time it was a stinger.
• 34:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: He said it's calf knee.
• 34:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't remember.
• 34:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't fucking care.
• 34:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
• 34:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: Do we have like, is there a serum we can give him?
• 34:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, I don't know stem cells.
• 34:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: We have just drink stem cells.
• 34:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, well, we have the new doctor.
• 34:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: So maybe he's got something What we don't have the bio weeks?
• 34:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: So we can't send him over to Europe or whatever to get injected with that shit, unfortunately Hey, do you see Tom Brady cloned his dog?
• 34:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: What he had this dog died in like 2023 and now he has a clone of it, and that's the dog that he has now, and then not really did you watch the rehearsal season two
• 35:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: Ah, yeah.
• 35:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: There's one episode where they cloned a dog.
• 35:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe I didn't see season two.
• 35:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
• 35:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: Then yeah, you must not.
• 35:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: But it's not actually like a clone like they are different.
• 35:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: But it's like, I've said this before.
• 35:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm a Rogers Apologist, obviously.
• 35:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: Tom Brady is just as weird as Aaron Rogers.
• 35:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's just not as forward with it.
• 35:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: 100% and he's a whiny bitch half the time and nobody can't they're like why is so much passionate yeah I was gonna say well you wedgers is a whiny you win the super balls and you can do 100% but they're both whiny bitches and only one of them gets called out for being one
• 35:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, maybe tied might be turning a little bit more now too.
• 35:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think you went some super balls that it covers up, you know, winning changes a lot.
• 36:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's fair.
• 36:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like when they were playing a rod and Derek Jeter, everyone loved Derek Jeter and hated a rod.
• 36:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: Now, more people have started liking Alex Rodriguez and their leaders came across more of like a dirt bag.
• 36:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 36:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, okay.
• 36:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: So there you go.
• 36:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: Anything else on this game on offense?
• 36:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: That was baseball.
• 36:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
• 36:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: We will have a quick commercial break.
• 36:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: And we are back with the defense, the defense, I mean, they're okay, it's, I mean, 16 points, 16 points is good, especially with how many possessions there were, like, they're, well, I guess there weren't a ton of possessions, but I mean, didn't get any sacks.
• 36:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: We had the one sack from X, but it's not exactly like a normal sack, poorly-time penalties,
• 36:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then just no one in the middle to stop the run, you know, we've kind of talked, we've gone back and forth for a while, what's worse this year corner or defensive line.
• 37:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, we kind of saw this week where if you want to run the ball and you just keep running right up the middle, especially after Kobe wouldn't win out.
• 37:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, there's just no one to hold the line there, so that was the moralizing, especially.
• 37:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: That last run to like seal it to get them in a field goal range.
• 37:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: That fucking sucked right we go average 5.1 yards per carry in this game pretty good And then yeah, the only other thing I've written down for overall was
• 37:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: Again, not great, but the Packers D did force a three and out immediately after the failed 4th and 8th from the Packers 2.
• 37:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: So at least we showed up a little bit down the stretch there.
• 37:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: Defensive line.
• 37:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: Again, I mean, got a feel like Rico Dautal wasn't stopped at the line.
• 37:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: If he wasn't stopped at the line of Scrimmage, you'd just run straight between the garden center and get to the second level for 5 yards every single time.
• 37:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: Gary should have had a sack on that 4th.
• 37:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: Down play where Bryce ran out and got it barely got a lot to the left.
• 38:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: Did you see who spiked the ball after Rico's first touch down?
• 38:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: Nope, it was Yash.
• 38:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: It was Yash and I'm in her old swing to- Oh, was it really?
• 38:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: So he he might have had like the best day out of anyone at Lambo on Sunday.
• 38:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I don't know if we're Yash.
• 38:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: defensive line Colby wouldn't all the injuries on Sunday.
• 38:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: I've said of Tuckercaft.
• 38:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't sound like they are long-term
• 38:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: Also, it seems like LVN has a chance to play this week.
• 38:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: Obviously, practice hasn't happened yet, but LVN, him and Jayden still a bit out.
• 38:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: March on Lloyd, I'd be very surprised if he plays.
• 38:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: Who else is out?
• 38:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: Is anyone else out?
• 38:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: Jaden reads.
• 38:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: Wow.
• 38:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god.
• 38:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: Colin Oliver.
• 38:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Oliver.
• 38:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, those guys really didn't know what the fight better.
• 38:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: They're not going to contribute.
• 38:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
• 38:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: We'll be shocked.
• 38:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: Wix may be back this week too.
• 38:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, sure.
• 38:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then we can talk about it for corner, but Nate Hobbes as well.
• 38:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: Did you see this for sure about this?
• 39:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: no he is hurt uh someone posted online to the play where he did grab his knee late in the game where flare up again that one that got surgically repaired during training camp so he's going to be out a couple weeks now so we uh oh no yeah well I mean it is kind of oh no not because of
• 39:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: I wish we would have done something at the trade deadline.
• 39:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but I mean, I mean, I mean, do you even know who you'd want to trade for it?
• 39:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: So many of the corners that got traded were slot guys.
• 39:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't I just I don't know, but like Is residual a guy that you could get for dirt probably probably but we could assign him for dirt chief during training camp Two, he was a blade.
• 39:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: I know, but we didn't know that Hobbes is gonna suck
• 39:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: Right like if yeah, you know what I mean like we didn't know what would never admit that he was wrong with something like that like we're Sadie's lot of say I would have I would be shocked if we sign them to the active roster or something off of Denver's practice squad Yeah, we right doesn't feel like we'll be now
• 40:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: Linebackers, I mean again, there's not a ton to talk about in this game, Cooper had a nice tackle to force a fourth and one where he just got to Rico pretty quick, I think swing pass.
• 40:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then the penalty on Cooper was such a joke when Bryce Young was running out of bounds and he got pushed by him.
• 40:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: Thank God they picked up that flag this sneaky, you know, we talk a lot of shit.
• 40:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: Reffs, you give me this crew every single week.
• 40:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: I am happy.
• 40:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, who was a crew?
• 40:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
• 40:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean the most plain looking white guy was the head official Okay, but every every call I think was made sense to me.
• 40:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, we had a couple holds there, but the ones that I saw look pretty legit I don't remember any bad ones.
• 40:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: I could be wrong, but minimum minimum.
• 40:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: We did we see them pop up on the screen Quay and again, there's not much to talk about here quay
• 40:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: has to go after that loose ball that was a fun ball.
• 40:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
• 40:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: Remember that?
• 41:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: There's times this year and who was it, too?
• 41:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: Was it Colby Wooden that got his hand on it, too?
• 41:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: Or almost had his hand on it, too?
• 41:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: That was close.
• 41:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: It does one of the puts his hands up like, oh, I should have had it.
• 41:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: And quays looking at him and it's like, you guys both go get the ball.
• 41:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like, one of you go get the ball.
• 41:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: It seems like at the beginning of the year, every single year, they're so quick to make sure to pick up the ball every single time, even if it's an
• 41:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: Aren't we what was the thing at the beginning of the season?
• 41:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, it's every ball ball king.
• 41:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: Where's the ball king?
• 41:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like there's been times where it was less obvious and they picked it up.
• 41:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: But for whatever reason, Quay didn't want to this week and that could have been a big swing to secondary.
• 41:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, like we just talked about.
• 41:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: They're only sack of the day came from X forcing the fumble equation to pick it up.
• 41:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know why he didn't X. X's pick was fun too.
• 41:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm really bad job.
• 41:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: Also bad throw, terrible, terrible throw, bad, bad camera man to the camera guy was the camera man.
• 41:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: He was like barely, X was barely on the screen.
• 42:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: It was one of those words like, oh no, it's just gonna be touched down.
• 42:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: No, no, it's actually in theirception.
• 42:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: Here we go.
• 42:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: So that was nice.
• 42:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: He almost had another one lead to couldn't get the second foot down, but the he shot had his penalty.
• 42:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: So what it came back anyways, another not great game from Kishan.
• 42:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: When he tackles, it happens once a week, both of these things happen once a week.
• 42:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: What?
• 42:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's always going to get a penalty.
• 42:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: Two, he makes tackles where I hold my breath if they're going to flag him for like swinging them around or like suplexing guys, half the time where he's making these, uh, just the extra curricular activity.
• 42:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: Always a little extra.
• 42:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: Um, the hold on the goal line and the red zone on third down, that was huge.
• 42:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: That changed the game as well.
• 42:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: If that didn't happen, they're kicking the field goal.
• 42:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: We have a whole different game.
• 42:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: Um, right after that, I'll lead to the Rico's touchdown.
• 42:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: Did you see the touchdown celebration for the second one?
• 42:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it was like more than one pump, right?
• 42:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: He did two pumps.
• 42:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: Did you even after the game, he would he legitimately said, I thought I was fine if I only did two pumps.
• 43:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: But no, the rules have apparently changed after Aaron Rodgers did that against the bucks in Jacksonville a couple of years ago, or was it the Saints?
• 43:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: The Saints in Jacksonville a couple of years ago.
• 43:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: I feel like, what's the same thing with the boss?
• 43:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: James Winston played in that game.
• 43:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: And that's what he has with the Saints.
• 43:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I don't know.
• 43:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: Nixon, he battles, but sometimes it's like, he does battle.
• 43:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: And he he's never out of a pass break up.
• 43:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like he'll come in and let you liberate.
• 43:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: Once he gives up on it against the Cowboys, it has happened.
• 43:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: But he usually is fighting through to the end of the play.
• 43:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: I would I definitely agree, especially like run plays too, but the guy who I would say battles more every single time Kerington Valentine.
• 43:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm in again every single catch that he allows he's at least right there, which is, you know, not the best thing to say it looked like that one was going to be a pick that just barely went through his hands that cut.
• 44:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, he should have picked out
• 44:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: for sure and late that last drive to the were two balls that weren't very accurate that he had a chance to like step in front of and get the pick on but either way still second week in a row where it's like okay Karen like who's who's CB one right now?
• 44:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, right now still Kishan, but like character Valentine is making a case, but this is the saddest Cv1 race.
• 44:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: I've ever seen maybe.
• 44:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I don't know who the judge still will.
• 44:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: They still have that other guy on their team, but Yeah, I don't know.
• 44:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: I still like Cv.
• 44:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think he's the best pure cover corner that we have on this team.
• 44:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: He looks he looks
• 44:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: He looks apart.
• 44:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: True.
• 44:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: Is that?
• 44:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 44:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: Style points?
• 44:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like he's big, long leads.
• 44:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's part of it.
• 44:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, some people say that you eat with your eyes.
• 44:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: uh... was what is what did he had always say like look look good feel good play good i was going to say dance in a lot of things but yet he definitely did say that one too um... habs didn't have a good day again before he can hurt i mean a couple of those again where he was targeted where he's just a step behind i mean that should have had another touchdown on a post that he that was a bad ball that just went off his hands
• 45:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: Evan Williams, bad game again.
• 45:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I don't know if he had a totally bad game, but he got sucked in on that run late because that was huge difference in the game and then Bullard got sucked up into one too.
• 45:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I don't know how much you can really blame them.
• 45:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, they're safe to easy.
• 45:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: Probably should play that a little bit better, but I don't know one.
• 45:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: Evan's going through a bit of a soft horse love.
• 45:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I said that a couple of weeks ago too, like I said, we won't have to deal with it now for a couple of weeks at least with Hobbes, but maybe the fix would be to put Hobbes in the slot there and have Evan and Boulder just rotate a little bit more, but I don't know.
• 45:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't know, game from the defense, Michael Parsons, I mean, God, we didn't even mention him at all.
• 46:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: He had one like good, run blow up early in the game and other than that.
• 46:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: He didn't really have much of an opportunity to do much special teams.
• 46:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: So you didn't watch the game live.
• 46:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think we had the longest kickoff in NFL history with Brandon McMahon as it was windy out there.
• 46:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: He, it took legitimately three minutes for him to kick off the ball.
• 46:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: It was after, I think it was after our first series.
• 46:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: I heard a little bit that like the ball kept falling off the tee.
• 46:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: It kept falling off the tee.
• 46:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: He set it back up.
• 46:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: It fell off the tee.
• 46:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's like, no, it's fine.
• 46:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: They get ready.
• 46:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: He goes up to kick it, falls over.
• 46:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: They set it back up and then fucking our puncher came out.
• 46:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: He held it and then he kicked off.
• 46:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: Three months.
• 46:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: Isn't there a rule that after it falls once that somebody has to come out and hold it?
• 46:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 46:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: I thought that was a rule.
• 46:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: But it was like a half-ass fall at first and then it happened again and then a wheel and came out.
• 46:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: But it's weird too because it's the first time I've seen it happen with the new rules because he came, wheel and came onto the field.
• 47:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: So it's like he, I didn't watch the old 22, but he has to like hold it and then run off the field.
• 47:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's really run off the field.
• 47:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
• 47:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: So that's happened a couple of times.
• 47:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: where you basically like, you have a guy come out and hold it because they're with the way it's set up now.
• 47:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: If you have somebody come back, they're useless.
• 47:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: They cannot defend the play.
• 47:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: So you get to have somebody, you can just touch you have your ballboy come out.
• 47:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: and just put their finger up.
• 47:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think they should do it.
• 47:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: I would like that.
• 47:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think that's way cooler.
• 47:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's like bringing the ball.
• 47:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: This is what it should be every week.
• 47:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: You get to elect a fan who is the emergency holder.
• 47:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then that's an amazing thing.
• 47:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: They don't put on a jersey, maybe just a fat fan.
• 47:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: They put on like a line guy or the chain gang vest.
• 47:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yep, go out there and then they run off.
• 47:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, you've been to a game where it's like, oh, they heard the T kid, the kid runs out and takes the T. Maybe, or like, some like high school teams have like a dog.
• 48:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, yeah, I think college.
• 48:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, college, they do that for sure.
• 48:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe that's what it is.
• 48:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, and then on that kick to hopper, like fucking smacked.
• 48:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: Dude, once a week, he's out there making a play.
• 48:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, can we just give me him over, I like Isaiah.
• 48:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: But like, let's just see it.
• 48:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm able to raise a couple times.
• 48:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: Tyron Hopper is Desmond Bishop.
• 48:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: Desmond Bishop before he actually started playing special teams in preseason he would just tear guys apart.
• 48:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I think that's who I'm going to say that's who he's going to be.
• 48:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: And Savion returns on this game pretty decent too.
• 48:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean he looked a little...
• 48:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: But thank you.
• 48:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: Can I give you a Desmond Bishop compared like, oh, bane Gary.
• 48:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: Is it think Desmond Bishop was more bane than Gary is.
• 48:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that you feel that way.
• 48:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's fair.
• 48:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: He was.
• 48:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's how I did.
• 48:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: One, two years stretch.
• 48:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: It does mean Bishop was awesome.
• 48:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
• 49:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: Kick.
• 49:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: It can't be a controversy if the other party never gets to kick.
• 49:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't understand what they're doing at this point or past the trade deadline.
• 49:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: Have a second still on the roster.
• 49:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: But you haven't caught him.
• 49:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: He hasn't played in two weeks.
• 49:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: Just fucking throw McManus on IR.
• 49:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: I've said it a couple of weeks now.
• 49:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: Let him get right.
• 49:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's to the point now where I don't even value McManus.
• 49:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's something where his last 10 kicks.
• 49:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: Outside of the red zone he's kicking at like 60% or worse.
• 49:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: I forget exactly what it is, but it's just he's as bad as he's as bad as Narv dog was When we had him for those four games.
• 49:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's like I don't care about McManus anymore.
• 49:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's just Given four weeks to get healthy But have a sick out there if you suck, then we cut him and then we go to McManus.
• 50:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's just Make it make it simpler than this whatever the fuck we're doing.
• 50:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what the plan is
• 50:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: we have to do something we have to just move one way or the other like it does feel I like the idea of like make mascos in the IR but also you can only designate so many guys for our year right yes but I think we're running out I don't know how many guys we have left it's we have like seven so
• 50:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, no, because of those guys on the PUP from the beginning of the year, like Colin Oliver and John Williams, they don't count.
• 50:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, they don't, so I don't think we have.
• 50:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: I thought that the rules were now that you get like, regardless of its PUP or if it's injured reserve, you just only get so many maybe it is.
• 50:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think that's what it is, but I don't know.
• 50:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like you could run out, you can, you can't, I are people at some point, like you just like run out.
• 50:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
• 50:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, we only get so many or maybe you can never bring a back.
• 50:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe that's what you can season and I are them Becoy that's what it is.
• 50:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: You can only bring so many people back.
• 51:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah off the PUP or the IR.
• 51:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's there's the number is For both I think it that's what it's just I are but they all that not worth mail that.
• 51:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
• 51:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: We'll get our rules analyst to try my perfect with that Take news can Andrew be our rules No, no, no take news football time
• 51:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: All right, take news for the week, obviously, the big talk after the game was Matt LaFlor and perhaps is seat getting a little higher, I think it's actually hot, but obviously the way we lose is starting to get a little old at times, you know, I don't I think we're losing confidence in him, I think he's losing confidence in himself.
• 51:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: And just, can I give you an ashy and a how hot has seen it?
• 51:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: I did.
• 51:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's like when if you ever bought like one of those like warming seats when you go sit in the deer stand It's not actually like warm, but it's not like your butt doesn't get cold, you know I was so it's like I was gonna say like when you go to a porta potty or like the the shitter out at the hunting shack in the winter
• 52:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: but someone else just went here we go this is a psychological question that I've asked myself when that happens do you would you rather have it be warm or would you rather have it be cold and then all I'd rather have it be cold yeah see I'm I'm pretty down the middle like I'm finding the rake as if it's for me I'm like I know this was create those this warmth was created from an ass
• 52:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: But now like I don't get tight and certain regions after my ass goes on this plastic toilet seat, which is zero degrees.
• 52:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: It is not rational, but when it's warm, it's weird.
• 52:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
• 52:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, the ass is going there anyways.
• 52:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: There's been, yeah, there's always, there's always asses on toilet seats.
• 53:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's like, it's really green that it's, but I'm like, it's too soon.
• 53:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: But I need a little bit of, I need a little bit of space between the last ass and my ass.
• 53:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 53:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: No, is that fair?
• 53:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think is that weird?
• 53:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: Is that a weird thing?
• 53:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: No, it's probably the take most people say, but comment with your what you think is it is like ass like a warm ass already being on there.
• 53:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: Is that good or do you want the toilet C to be cold?
• 53:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: Perfect.
• 53:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, speaking of things that are asked.
• 53:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: Metal floor is game plans, so it was kind of the talk, you know, it's funny again.
• 53:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if it's always been like this, but it is so weak to weak in NFL football these days were last week, we beat the Steelers, Steelers, Jordan Love had 20 completions in row, everything's great, and now all of a sudden it's like, oh, everything kind of sucks.
• 53:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: you know, there would be obviously have been very consistent, but now it's kind of becoming more of a national narrative as well.
• 54:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: I thought this was, I don't really like Dan Arlowski that much, but he had this headline.
• 54:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: I want of his tweets talking about it.
• 54:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: Quote, when I watch the Packers offense, it's almost like this obsession with creation, which is a pretty good way to put it.
• 54:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: I've got a couple things here.
• 54:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to read off some stats that I think explain things.
• 54:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not always the best with words, which is great for a pod
• 54:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think these kind of hit what I'm looking for is from Nathan Marzion, I think he's one of those box fans.
• 54:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: 25% of Jordan loves pass attempts over the last six games have been behind the line of scrimmage, second highest behind only Kyler Murray.
• 54:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: Only 13% of his pass attempts and that span have been in the intermediate area between 10 to 19 yards, which is third lowest in the league.
• 54:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: Tyler Brook of cheesehead not cheesehead to be acne packing quoted that and said Jordan love has a 151.3% pastor not percent.
• 54:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: Pass rating on throws 10 to 19 yards down field and it goes on saying the uh and the offense just refuses to cater towards that despite the abundance of weapons to throw
• 55:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: So again, it's like, you see that?
• 55:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: Short yardage.
• 55:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: We're doing all this short shit.
• 55:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: We're going to baby in the offense throwing the ball when at the intermediate game.
• 55:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: Jordalove is really, really good at and we're not even trying to do that right now.
• 55:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: Along the same lines, this is from Bruce Irons on Twitter.
• 55:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: And this is just as straightforward as it can be.
• 55:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: The packer's offense ranks.
• 55:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: We are fifth in rushing attempts, and 24th in rushing yards per attempt.
• 55:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: We are 20th in passing attempts in second in net yards per pass.
• 55:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: Obviously showing that we run the ball more than we should, and we don't pass the ball as much as we should, because of how productive it is when we do that.
• 55:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then along those same lines too, just like early down in distance, this is from Badger Noonan.
• 55:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: The Packers actually run the ball about average on first down, within like one or two percent of the national average in NFL this year.
• 56:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: But on second and short, the Packers pass 16 percent less than the average NFL teams.
• 56:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: And most teams pass 75 percent of the time in that situation, the Packers do it 50 percent of the time.
• 56:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: So it's just where Matt is so obsessed with running the ball, he said that since he's been here, how the run sets up the pass, but it's getting to the point where it's detrimental to the team that he has here with this offensive line, with this run game, with the past catchers we have, and the quarterback that we have,
• 56:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: where it's just becoming more and more obvious that we need to at least attempt to be this lead at rip offence that we had back in 2023 drop back maybe still under a center maybe from shock and I really give a shit but just some simple passing throws see what happens instead of like fucking short shit I mean the whole first drive you just rewatch the game Todd.
• 56:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's screen to save you on.
• 57:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's a screen to Josh Jacobs.
• 57:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's a screen to manual Wilson.
• 57:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's a short pass to Matthew Golden.
• 57:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: And even this game, we had a couple of those deep balls.
• 57:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: The deep passes feel easier than running the ball at times.
• 57:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: So it's been incredibly frustrating.
• 57:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: But I think these stats here kind of show what the major issues have been so far.
• 57:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I mean, I don't think you abandon the run.
• 57:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think it's just that we need to just be past first.
• 57:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and not like because we're not a play action team.
• 57:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: We're not establishing the run to set up the past.
• 57:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: I can just not working.
• 57:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: We just need to get out there through the ball.
• 57:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: And it's going to make Josh Jacobs more effective.
• 57:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's going to make this offensive line more effective if we're a past first team.
• 57:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: their strength is to pass block.
• 57:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's not to get out there in space and mall everybody.
• 57:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like that's just not what they're going to do at this point.
• 57:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I just feel like that just caters to like what we are.
• 58:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: And again, I think maybe you said it's like not we're not playing to be what we want to be.
• 58:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like this is the team we have.
• 58:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: We need to adjust based on the team that we have and cater to them.
• 58:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then going along with that tour, at least in this game, playing down to our opponent.
• 58:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: One thing is, I'm gonna be directly correct here with this statistic.
• 58:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: But one of the reasons why I run the ball so much is because teams are playing this too high shell against us a lot.
• 58:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: So they're inviting you to run the ball.
• 58:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: we're worse than League average at running the ball out of that look as well.
• 58:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: I forgot what it was where it's like teams are averaging 4.9 yards per carry in that look and we're getting like 4.5 something like that.
• 58:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's not a huge difference at least it's something.
• 58:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: And here's a step from Ben Solak that he put out where it seems like we're playing down to our competition.
• 58:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: When the packers are favored by 7.5 points or more, Jordan loves average depth of target is 6.5 yards.
• 59:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: When we're a underdog of 7.5 points or more, it's 9.8.
• 59:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: So it just shows you and then you go through there at when we're when it's 7 points or fewer 7.8 underdog of 7 points or fewer it's 8.5.
• 59:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: So it's like we do try to air it out more when we are at the underdog but when we're favored we don't throw the ball as deep as we you know obviously we it shows is more successful so it's just we're just holding ourselves back a little bit too much.
• 59:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: Matt doesn't again the confidence is just wavering with him so I don't know what's going to change also with this statistic to use it he has Aaron Rogers next to it and it's pretty much 7.6 through 8.1 the whole time doesn't matter what the who's favored so I don't know it's just getting frustrating at this point
• 59:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: I still think we're a good football team.
• 59:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: I still trust Matt and will floor for the most part, but if these, if these games keep happening, I do think, like again, if we lose them first round the playoffs, I think at policy is going to make a move.
• 1:00:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if I'm going to like it, but I wouldn't be shocked if that happens.
• 1:00:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: He does feel a lot more aggressive at policy.
• 1:00:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm talking about.
• 1:00:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, I don't know.
• 1:00:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: We don't know much about him, but just the fact short term.
• 1:00:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: It just feels like it's little splashy.
• 1:00:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: Presidents or leaders, they want to have their guys in.
• 1:00:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: They don't want to just go with the flow all the time.
• 1:00:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, that's why that's why they're putting leadership positions.
• 1:00:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: And the other thing, so I thought of this this week.
• 1:00:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: This is my putting this out there.
• 1:00:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: So if it happens, you got to credit me.
• 1:00:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: My, not prediction, but maybe prediction.
• 1:00:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, wow.
• 1:00:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: Ed policy this offseason.
• 1:00:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: If we lose in the first round of the playoffs, hopefully he doesn't happen, I think what could happen.
• 1:00:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: Metal Florida will still be under contract for one more year.
• 1:01:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: And policy, Carmen policy is father.
• 1:01:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, he made some outlandish moves or things that didn't seem like the right move at the time or took some risks, you know, moving on from Joe name if moving on from Bill Walsh.
• 1:01:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: I could see him trading, Matt LaFlor, to the Tennessee Titans, whose present right now is Chad Brinker, who used to work in the Packers front office.
• 1:01:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: He was right underneath Goody and Russ Ball.
• 1:01:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's now running football operations in Tennessee.
• 1:01:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: Tennessee obviously Matt was there before.
• 1:01:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: They have a young quarterback and Cam Ward.
• 1:01:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: Matt LaFlor is a quarterback Guru.
• 1:01:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: I just think thinking outside of the box, I wouldn't be shocked if something like that happens if the bottom really profile out after the season.
• 1:01:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: I would be shocked if we traded Matt with the words that I was going to jump, Peyton get traded.
• 1:02:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: A coach has been traded within the last five years for a second or third round pick.
• 1:02:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, maybe who with that event?
• 1:02:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think it was Sean Peyton maybe.
• 1:02:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if you want a Google it, but I know what's happened But I mean isn't that like a win-win when I think it almost makes too much sense of it's possible I don't know if Matt would agree to it
• 1:02:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: But it's just something.
• 1:02:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: So Sean.
• 1:02:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, Sean Peyton being traded to the Broncos, uh, John Groovy was traded to the box.
• 1:02:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: No, which I didn't.
• 1:02:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: So from where was he Raiders this morning?
• 1:02:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: Anyways.
• 1:02:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, no.
• 1:02:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: So you have the Raiders before you went to the box?
• 1:02:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: No, he went to the Raiders after the box.
• 1:02:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: He might have been the reason for the Super Bowl at the box.
• 1:02:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: I could be wrong.
• 1:02:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: I could be wrong.
• 1:02:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it doesn't matter.
• 1:02:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, Matt will floor whatever we'll see.
• 1:02:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm probably going to be right on that.
• 1:02:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: Todd, do you have the Stump Spenny for the week?
• 1:03:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I do.
• 1:03:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's a Brazil question.
• 1:03:08
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
• 1:03:09
  [UNKNOWN]: Why?
• 1:03:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's just the way it is.
• 1:03:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's good.
• 1:03:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, okay.
• 1:03:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: Because it's the eye.
• 1:03:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: It goes there.
• 1:03:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
• 1:03:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: In the season, noepernalassee is an in Brazil.
• 1:03:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: Who had both a rushing and receiving touchdown for Green Bay?
• 1:03:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: Last year, rushing and receiving tuddies in Brazil.
• 1:03:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it wasn't Josh Jacobs.
• 1:03:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: that's correct.
• 1:03:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh fuck.
• 1:03:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think it was Watson.
• 1:03:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: God.
• 1:03:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: I wonder if it was jaden read.
• 1:03:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: Who else would it be?
• 1:03:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: Wasn't a manual Wilson?
• 1:03:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't a tight end.
• 1:03:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: Wouldn't have been wicks.
• 1:03:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: It could have been Watson.
• 1:03:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't remember Watson scoring though.
• 1:04:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: I am going to go with jaden read.
• 1:04:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: Congratulations.
• 1:04:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
• 1:04:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
• 1:04:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think I'm still one or two questions under 500.
• 1:04:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you're close.
• 1:04:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, this this if you had gotten this for it was feeling a little bit like the tide was turning If I got that one wrong, then yeah, I would be under five hundred the rest of the year probably, but hey, look at that.
• 1:04:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, very cool.
• 1:04:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: Good.
• 1:04:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: Awesome.
• 1:04:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's okay.
• 1:04:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, you know what we were also going to talk about the trade deadline.
• 1:04:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we can talk about the trade deadline.
• 1:04:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: So we didn't do anything of the trade deadline.
• 1:04:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
• 1:04:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's it.
• 1:04:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's the McCarthy.
• 1:04:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, how do you feel about that?
• 1:04:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't feel great about it.
• 1:04:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, like there's a very clear need for a quarterback in the room.
• 1:04:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: It doesn't even have to be like a stud.
• 1:04:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but just like we need someone in the room.
• 1:04:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: It is that has some experience.
• 1:04:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: Especially with Hobbes getting banged up now.
• 1:04:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like,
• 1:04:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: But even before sure like the ones like yeah, so we got some good guy.
• 1:05:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I saw that but I think the thing people haven't talked about yet Which is probably gonna be a more of a conversation later this week.
• 1:05:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: We're going to see bull melt and play corner We have to see bull melt and play corner
• 1:05:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: and this terrifies.
• 1:05:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to say this, this might be dumb.
• 1:05:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: What if he's good?
• 1:05:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: If he's good, he could turn around like that whole defense, that whole secondary.
• 1:05:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: If he can actually go out there and play halfway decent, I wouldn't be shocked.
• 1:05:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like if there's one position you could pick up in the NFL, corner isn't like a terrible one.
• 1:05:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's not quarterback.
• 1:05:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's not the offensive line.
• 1:05:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think there's a lot of nuance with it.
• 1:05:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, he played receiver.
• 1:05:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: He played corner
• 1:05:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: So we'll see But what I most I want to get into is fucking that Eastern Butler guy on Twitter who is the insider The Packer insider guy.
• 1:05:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: He I am so glad the trade deadline is over just because I get so sick of these NFL Insiders quote unquote on Twitter that make shit up for the most part So Eastern I think he does do a good job during the off season with like college visits
• 1:06:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, college prospects going to Green Bay, documenting that maybe workouts in season, but he went out and he was reporting every single call allegedly that the Packers were making around the league, which I don't know how you would get documentation on calls.
• 1:06:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: being made wiretaps unless he's wiretapping, but then it's like that's one thing on top of that.
• 1:06:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: He was trying to say that he had inside information on Miles Garrett potentially getting traded from the railroads to the Patriots or whoever the hell it was or the Eagles, I forget what team and it's like I understand you imagine who went to the freaking Eagles that would be awful.
• 1:06:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: That would be scary especially for us having to play him this week.
• 1:07:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: But it's a, I get guys having inside sources, you know, locally, maybe with the Packers, but when you're trying to pretend that you have national sources on this shit and then the big boys don't have that shit, that's then you're insulting my intelligence.
• 1:07:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: Don't tell me that you're doing it to help them.
• 1:07:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: That was the thing we've seen.
• 1:07:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: He was like, I, I'm just putting this out there, even though they're just calls and they don't mean anything.
• 1:07:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: I just want fans to be more informed.
• 1:07:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's like,
• 1:07:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: We're past it now, but I just wanted to have my little rant on that.
• 1:07:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: We can backtracking him this later, but the gruden thing is wild.
• 1:07:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: Have you, can we do touch on that at the end?
• 1:07:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
• 1:07:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: Let's do it.
• 1:07:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, yeah, we can do it at the end.
• 1:07:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then the other thing, so Eastern Butler did talk about this early in the year.
• 1:07:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I mean, he was right on this, again, a smaller thing makes more sense.
• 1:07:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: Asante Samuel Jr., the former charger corner who hasn't played football in a year,
• 1:07:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: Even when the big boys were talking about, they didn't say a back injury, they said spine which makes it sound a little bit more scary than a normal back injury.
• 1:08:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: Apparently he's been cleared now for contact.
• 1:08:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's probably going to have workouts this week, and now I'm taking it more seriously because a real insider Matt Schneidman tweeted out that the packers are entrusted and bringing him in for a workout.
• 1:08:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not against that, but at the same time, you know, we need some help in the corner background, but the dude hasn't played football in a year.
• 1:08:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know how many weeks it's going to take him to get up to speed until he could actually go out there and play if if we even get designing him.
• 1:08:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: Fair.
• 1:08:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: Do you know anybody that's talked about him?
• 1:08:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: Just kind of like on and off for the past few weeks.
• 1:08:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: Is there anybody that comes to mind?
• 1:08:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no.
• 1:08:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: Anybody, anybody that you talk to once a week, let's say I'm like two days.
• 1:08:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think when you only have so much time to talk about a football team during the week, and you want to talk about a guy who hasn't even been cleared for contact and is a free agent, I think that would be words wasted.
• 1:09:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: Did you maybe like, prove the idea, but now the idea is like kind of coming to fruition.
• 1:09:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe because that's a question now.
• 1:09:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: We could be linked to them instead of just being one of 32 teams who aren't currently trying to sign him.
• 1:09:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: And now we might.
• 1:09:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: Apology excited.
• 1:09:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't apologize for anything there.
• 1:09:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: Preview.
• 1:09:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: We already did some spinny preview.
• 1:09:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: We are playing the Philadelphia Eagles on Monday Night Football at Lambo Field at 715.
• 1:09:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: Joe Buck and Troy Akeman on the call, you know, that'll be warm and fuzzy feelings nice to have I think back, you know, we'll see it just about every time but Joe Buck and Troy Akeman get a lot of shit.
• 1:09:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: I like Troy Buck or Troy Buck.
• 1:09:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: Joe Buck a lot.
• 1:09:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: Troy Akeman is okay, but Joe Buck might be, I don't know, he's top three for play by play guys out there.
• 1:09:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: I would say yeah.
• 1:09:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: Packers again.
• 1:09:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean sky was falling this week.
• 1:09:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: Packers are two and a half point favorites against the Super Bowl champs at home 44 and a half over under.
• 1:09:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: This is the Tush push bowl People are saying people isn't me.
• 1:10:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna we don't have the craft push though
• 1:10:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: I've got to even think of that until now I'm gonna say this to Mark Murphy might have been right I still don't wish we were upon for the NFL to try to get the Tush push band I don't give a shit about safety of the play But what we've seen this year that the refs can't even officiate it correctly if it's either the guard lining up In front of the ball or it's weird full starts.
• 1:10:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's like
• 1:10:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's gotten to the point where you have to like review it immediately just what every single play just because you've shown you you aren't able to officiate it correctly.
• 1:10:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: Is where that they can't officiate it because like if you can't see the ball.
• 1:10:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like, if their heads over the ball, the guards heads over the ball, you, that doesn't work.
• 1:10:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like, it seems so simple.
• 1:10:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: You have a line judge on each side that's just standing there and they still get it wrong.
• 1:10:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's very well.
• 1:11:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: We've had, you know, Elton have that fall start where he just barely moved the ball and then what Josh Myers had won, like, last year or two.
• 1:11:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: I forgot exactly what it was.
• 1:11:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: Were you as like turning?
• 1:11:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 1:11:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: Was he like turning his head?
• 1:11:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: And they, it's like, what?
• 1:11:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: Don't, or yeah, they call it, yeah, I don't even want to fucking.
• 1:11:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: I miss Josh Myers actually.
• 1:11:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: I wish for out cheapest signed we could have actually used them for a backup center.
• 1:11:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's true.
• 1:11:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: Eagles offense.
• 1:11:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: Again, there's Super Bowl champs that are six and two.
• 1:11:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: They're first in the NFC East coming off of their by week.
• 1:11:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: Their offense is pretty okay.
• 1:11:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: Now does it get his last year.
• 1:11:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: They're 10th and points per game at 26, but they're 24th and yards per game at 304.
• 1:11:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: 28th best third down team could were just 33.33 repeating.
• 1:11:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: Of course, however, they are the best red zone offense in the league scoring a touchdown 85% of the time.
• 1:11:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: Passing the average, the average 193 yards per game, which is 31st in the league, they don't pass a lot, only 52% of the time, which is 30th in the league, but they are at 9th in yards per pass at 7.8 along with the 5th best completion percentage at 70.23.
• 1:12:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: Hearts is the quarterback.
• 1:12:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: Obviously 15 touchdowns.
• 1:12:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: One pick the lowest in the league for turnovers.
• 1:12:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: The offense as a whole had the lowest amount of turnovers in the league.
• 1:12:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: It might just be one pick from hurts and then AJ Dylan's fumble.
• 1:12:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't look it up, but they've lost two fumbles.
• 1:12:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: So last two fumbles.
• 1:12:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: Heard's also has 207 yards rushing along with 5 touchdowns.
• 1:12:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: Devonta Smith is currently their leading receiver with 588 yards and 2 touchdowns.
• 1:12:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: Aegee Brown, a second leading with 395 and 3 touchdowns.
• 1:12:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's had a weird year.
• 1:12:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: He was banged up the week before this.
• 1:12:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: It does sound like he's going to play in this game.
• 1:12:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: But there was a whole weird thing where allegedly, like, hurts, say, Quan and Aegee Brown
• 1:12:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then AJ Brown was asked about it, and he was like, I don't know what you're talking about, so he's just kind of a weirdo reading books on the sideline and shit.
• 1:13:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: And again, he's expected to play.
• 1:13:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: I read like one Philly article, and they said he's expected to play.
• 1:13:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if there has been practice yet, so we're guessing, so we will see.
• 1:13:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: Dallas got her at the tight end, only other real notable passcatcher, 289 yards receiving.
• 1:13:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: He has seven touchdowns though.
• 1:13:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think he had one game where he had three.
• 1:13:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: They also have Johan Dodson at receiver, former second-home pick, but he's only really had one solid game.
• 1:13:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: So far this year where I think he had like a hundred yards and he's got like 150 on the season.
• 1:13:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: Running, again, they run a lot.
• 1:13:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: However, the team, they haven't ran as great this year as they did last year.
• 1:13:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: Sequon is having, again, I mean, a solid year, but for him not as good as last year, still has 519 yards, but averaging at 4.1 yards per carry, also as 4 touchdowns, also 159 yards receiving in 2 touchdowns, tank bigs be the running back that they traded for from the jigs.
• 1:14:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't look into it, it's been a couple weeks, but he's had 10 carries in 115 yards, which would be a average of what?
• 1:14:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: 11 point very good.
• 1:14:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: So that's a pretty good average agey Dillon.
• 1:14:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: They're other running back.
• 1:14:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: Our old boy.
• 1:14:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: Of course 12 carries on the season in 60 yards in average of five per carry.
• 1:14:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: He did fumble that one time still says two receptions.
• 1:14:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: They'll say we'll ship me.
• 1:14:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if he's still on IR.
• 1:14:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think he got hurt, but he only has like eight carries on the season.
• 1:14:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: They're online again, they're averaging the 4.1 Nards per carry and they're actually getting sacked a lot.
• 1:14:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: They get sacked once in every 10 dropbacks, which is 28th in the league.
• 1:14:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: So something a lot for there.
• 1:14:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: Defense, they're giving up 23.1 points per game, 19th in the league.
• 1:14:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: 336 yards, which is 23rd best.
• 1:14:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: Bad 3rd down D, giving up a conversion, 42% of the time.
• 1:15:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: which is 26th best in the league.
• 1:15:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: However, a great red zone defense allowing a touchdown only 46% of the time that it's third best in the league and not very good timing after how our red zone offense was last week.
• 1:15:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: They give up 6.7 yards per pass, which is 9th best, 4.4 per carry, which is 21st best.
• 1:15:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: They don't get a lot of sacks, only getting 1.5.6% of the time, which is 24th best in the league.
• 1:15:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: However, they did just trade for Jalen Phillips from the dolphin who is kind of a, you know, edge russure speed guy.
• 1:15:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I mean, well, we'll talk about the, before we get into the players on the defense, the other guys who have, or former Packers on their team, Jial Exander, who they just traded for for a sixth, seventh round picks swap.
• 1:15:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: I believe it was, AJ Dillon, obviously,
• 1:15:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, Zageria Smith, who was on the team earlier this year and retired, uh, on the practice squad, they have Perry Nicherson, who was a corner who was on our practice squad for a couple years.
• 1:16:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then on their practice squad, they also have a guy who was named as Andrew McCuba, which reminded me of Andy Malumba.
• 1:16:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that's very close to related to the team.
• 1:16:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think he's related to Andy Malumba.
• 1:16:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, they're actually defensive.
• 1:16:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: Wait, who knows?
• 1:16:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I guess I didn't ask him.
• 1:16:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: Other best defensive players, Jordan Davis, the defensive tackle is three SACs and two or four TFLs on the season.
• 1:16:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: SAC bond, the pro-bolar last year is three SACs, five TFLs, one pick and five passes defended.
• 1:16:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: Jill Carter is that great defensive tackle, but he's a mean person.
• 1:16:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: and of course Cooper to Jean the white corner who apparently is getting moved outside he's been more of a slot player but they're moving him outside with the addition of Michael Carter and Jail Alexander.
• 1:16:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: So that was the rumor with that.
• 1:16:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: That is Quintan Mitchell's also kind of a dog.
• 1:16:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: sure.
• 1:16:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's a good point too.
• 1:16:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: Um, that's the Eagles.
• 1:16:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
• 1:16:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's, you know, for how much we have been, uh, sour on that floor this year.
• 1:17:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: They're head coach, Nick Seriani.
• 1:17:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: He seems like a comparable guy where two years ago, it seemed like he was going to get fired.
• 1:17:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: People weren't very confident with him.
• 1:17:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: His coaching staff, you know, that God, they had the old, uh, Patriots, defensive coordinator as their offensive coordinator, and it really
• 1:17:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: Why can't I remember isn't he?
• 1:17:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: Patricia.
• 1:17:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, all the lines that go to.
• 1:17:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: So, I've had more confidence in Matt LeFord just because I'm like, Well, if Siri on he can do it, Matt LeFord can win a Super Bowl too.
• 1:17:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: But I don't know if they're not the big juggernaut that they were last year.
• 1:17:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: Obviously, they ran all over us in the playoffs, got her fucking balanced, carrying some valentines, head off the turf.
• 1:17:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: But I don't know, AG Brown banged up.
• 1:17:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think herds is an overrated quarterback.
• 1:17:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: I've always kind of thought that.
• 1:17:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's a bit of a runner too though.
• 1:17:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm worried if there are situations, again, I mean, they're one of the best ridds on offenses in the league because of the Tish push and if we don't have a healthy cold be wooden or some guys in the middle, that could be tough for our D. But yeah, Todd, what are your thoughts going into this game?
• 1:18:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't feel, I was really surprised to see the match up in our favor as far as Vegas sees it.
• 1:18:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't super understand that.
• 1:18:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: It feels like they match up really good against us, especially at a time where we're not looking so great against the run.
• 1:18:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: So that makes me really nervous.
• 1:18:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think this is a really big test for the run defense, obviously.
• 1:18:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: And what is just like,
• 1:18:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: what I hate to is like the efficiency that hurts throws with like he doesn't throw on them, but it's like he's going to gouge you when you're expecting me run expecting me run expecting me run and then all of a sudden it's a throw advantage to me after a throw to age a brown and like that's just like that just it just feels like that's coming and I ate it like that's
• 1:19:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
• 1:19:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: This this team, just the way that they're set up in the way that we're looking right now, it feels like the wrong time to play the Eagles.
• 1:19:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: True, which is why I kind of feel good about the game.
• 1:19:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: Again, Matt will floor.
• 1:19:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's just good in these moments when we're going up against shitty teams is when, you know, it's not as good.
• 1:19:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's it's like when we're going up against shitty teams who play down to their level, when we're when we have a big match up,
• 1:19:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: like last year against the Vikings or the Lions or the Eagles early on, it seems like we were more kind of evenly matched, you know, and then we don't play as well in those teams.
• 1:19:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: This one, I know Vegas is saying one thing, but I think the fans and I mean, just the national coverage are pretty sour on the Packers right now, which makes me think that, you know, Metal Flores is going to go into his big and come up with a good game plan.
• 1:20:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, the team
• 1:20:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: If you're laying an absolute egg last Sunday and now you're going up against the Super Bowl champs on Monday night football And if you come out flat in this game to then we're really really gonna have some conversations We're noting to that they're coming off a by week.
• 1:20:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, I did I did note that really remember how good Mike McCarthy was off of by weeks
• 1:20:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, wasn't he like, did he like never lose a mind of happened like once or twice, though, even with the cowboys, he was really good off of by weeks and then Matt or four has not been good coming out of by week, but Karthi just needs two weeks to study every opponent and he's fucking unstoppable, that's why he used one every Super Bowl he's been a part of.
• 1:20:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's on our procedure.
• 1:20:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: Would you, would you hire Mike McCarthy if he if he hired like two good coordinators.
• 1:20:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: I There's an opportunity to go other directions.
• 1:20:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: I's not that I don't.
• 1:20:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: I love Mike for what he is.
• 1:21:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think he's a full- Can you imagine?
• 1:21:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: No, it just couldn't be good.
• 1:21:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: You bring back Mike McCarthy.
• 1:21:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: It can't be good, right?
• 1:21:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like that's one of those things that you look at like 20 years and you're like, yeah, remember when we brought McCarthy back for like three years and it was fucking bullshit
• 1:21:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like that's what that's what we would be looking at you would definitely like have the potential of Soiling his reputation of you know that 13.
• 1:21:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yes head coach or whatever was in them.
• 1:21:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: Not good for Mike not good for us It's a very fair point
• 1:21:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: Um, but yeah, I don't know.
• 1:21:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: They're a good team, but Jalen hurts again, not that great.
• 1:21:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: I always have confidence in the offense, even though I shouldn't Jordan love.
• 1:21:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: You remember when the first time Jordan love actually looked really good.
• 1:21:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: was it was against the Eagles in Philadelphia in 2022 the last year of Aaron Rodgers yet the whole shot on the sideline to Christian Watson.
• 1:22:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: He had a couple of nice passes.
• 1:22:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: Have a scoring drive.
• 1:22:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I don't know maybe he'll pull some of that.
• 1:22:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'll have Joe back out.
• 1:22:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah any more thoughts on this game Todd?
• 1:22:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: No, I think I don't know.
• 1:22:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: I can't stand by.
• 1:22:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's just a bad time.
• 1:22:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's just bad time to play this team.
• 1:22:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I feel.
• 1:22:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: I feel just so what is your score prediction for this game?
• 1:22:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: I have the Packers losing 19 to 20 for you.
• 1:22:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: Wow, okay.
• 1:22:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, but I just like it.
• 1:22:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: And it's not just feels like that run that run game versus our run defense.
• 1:22:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if I have the faith in it this week.
• 1:22:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's fair.
• 1:22:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: What is Billy's score prediction?
• 1:22:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: Billy has the Packers running 2421.
• 1:22:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, so not covering, but winning.
• 1:22:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, well, no, that covers- Oh yeah, it does.
• 1:22:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm a fucking idiot.
• 1:22:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: I can't do math.
• 1:22:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: I have the Packers winning as well 28 to 27.
• 1:22:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, well, Barbara.
• 1:23:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: I just feel like we eat it out again.
• 1:23:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's these games.
• 1:23:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like Matt LaFlor shows up.
• 1:23:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: And if he doesn't this time, I am going to be very mad.
• 1:23:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: And who do we play after this, even?
• 1:23:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: I have it up here.
• 1:23:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: We play the Giants number 16.
• 1:23:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
• 1:23:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: At noon.
• 1:23:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: Then who do we play after that the likes?
• 1:23:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: Viking.
• 1:23:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: I cannot wait for them.
• 1:23:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: The lions then the bears then the Broncos.
• 1:23:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
• 1:23:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 1:23:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's a tough little slate there.
• 1:23:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's not super easy.
• 1:23:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's why this win would be pretty, pretty big.
• 1:23:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's a big one, because you got three, you're going into three divisional games and then the Broncos and then the Bears again and then the Ravens and then the Vikings.
• 1:23:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: This, this end of November into December is a rough stretch for the Packers.
• 1:23:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: Giants in New York Vikings at Lambo.
• 1:23:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: Correct.
• 1:23:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, well, we've yet the end of the year.
• 1:23:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so Lambo first and then the last game of the year.
• 1:23:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
• 1:24:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 1:24:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then Lions would be into Troy.
• 1:24:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: So we play them twice before we even play the bears.
• 1:24:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's the, the Eagles have already played the giant's twice this year.
• 1:24:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: It was two out of three weeks, right?
• 1:24:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's weird that shit shouldn't happen.
• 1:24:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: And Scataboo went down, I believe, in the second year.
• 1:24:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know why?
• 1:24:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: Because he, his ankle was sideways.
• 1:24:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's got a Scataboo boo.
• 1:24:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: There's a thing.
• 1:24:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
• 1:24:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: What is your bold prediction?
• 1:24:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to give you Billy's request.
• 1:24:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: Billy's was uh...
• 1:24:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: Bold prediction is McManus slash haversick make all their kicks including the game winner in the final two minutes.
• 1:24:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: I guess you know he just always skirts on the line with his bold predictions but I will allow it because if it's if it's ever sick you know he will but yeah game winning field goal that works.
• 1:24:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: that is probably like the thing though right like you're trying to make a bold enough prediction that I don't know yeah what is yours right it's bold enough but not too bold uh there's supposed to be too bold you're not supposed to hit well are they no cuz if it's fun when they hit right but like when Kyle and I did it we it took three or four years before one hit
• 1:25:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm gonna say, what is the, do we know I did look this up but I'm blanking?
• 1:25:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: What's, what's Micah Parsons record for Sachs in the game?
• 1:25:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, uh, three, three, which he had earlier at this year.
• 1:25:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm saying he breaks his record.
• 1:25:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: So four, or three and a half, or five.
• 1:25:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: Is it, I'm gonna say three and a half?
• 1:25:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, okay.
• 1:25:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: Good save.
• 1:25:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: I was going to say if it's four of them, uh-huh.
• 1:25:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: Three and a half or more.
• 1:25:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: Which would be a fun day.
• 1:25:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: Little icing on the cake.
• 1:25:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: He has a big game.
• 1:25:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: They do get, they do like you said, they do give upsaxx.
• 1:25:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I guess it's a former rival for him, too.
• 1:25:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: He did say Lane Johnson was the guy who he thought of Ed's as rival.
• 1:25:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: And now that's Penny Schul for the Lion.
• 1:26:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: So something to think about there.
• 1:26:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I hadn't even thought of that.
• 1:26:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: My bold prediction.
• 1:26:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: Nothing fancy.
• 1:26:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, for who we're going up against, maybe you could predict it.
• 1:26:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: I And predicting that AJ Dylan is going to fumble in this game.
• 1:26:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh He might only get a handful of carries, but I think he's going to fumble.
• 1:26:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, if he does, I will be so happy.
• 1:26:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I will cry from laughing How about what?
• 1:26:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: How fun would it be if that sets up a game winning field goal?
• 1:26:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you AJ
• 1:26:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: That would be like I would be related that would be so we're going to get so many we're going to see dumb tweets of people talking about AJ Dylan and his return now what if AJ Dylan gouges us then you know what I do?
• 1:26:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: Woody.
• 1:26:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: I end it all.
• 1:26:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, spare enough.
• 1:26:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's good.
• 1:26:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
• 1:26:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, cool.
• 1:26:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, hopefully it doesn't happen.
• 1:26:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: I agree with with that optimistic note.
• 1:27:02
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• 1:27:10
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• 1:27:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: What do we say all the toilet seat thing or whatever else you can ask us a question?
• 1:27:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 1:27:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: What's your favorite?
• 1:27:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: Do you like your toilet scene warm for a previous sitter or do you like your toilet seat nice and cool?
• 1:27:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: So you know that nobody's sat at least.
• 1:27:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
• 1:27:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: And that's cool, I don't know.
• 1:27:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: Ice cold verse, lightly warm from a fresh ass.
• 1:27:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: Have you ever sat on one of those toilet seats that's like made of full.
• 1:27:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, always grandparents house grandparents house.
• 1:27:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I actually like that because it's like it's cool right when you sit down, but it warms up really quick.
• 1:27:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's always weird though because then you imagine your grandma's wrinkly ass on there.
• 1:27:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: Sometimes it's like old where it's the wrinkles or cuts in it because it's been used so much from asses sitting on it.
• 1:27:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: right you don't want a foam toilet seed that's been used too much you know you don't want the vinyl to be cracked on the toilet still the foam toilet seed but it's nice good point again you can comment on Spotify we'll read it we have two comments from last week first one is from Michael he's the guy who I still haven't sent the cozy tube because he said this I appreciate the fitness talk at the end let's see grow audio take your time on the cozy I won't hold it against
• 1:28:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: I then we have one from Matt, our buddy who is from like London or whatever, now I believe he's in Canada and if you remember what we talked about last week, at the end he said, came for the Packers stayed for the Elephants, we talked about LCS.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, I don't know if they're actually real, they might not be real.
• 1:28:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: Elephants are not real, is that what you're saying?
• 1:28:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think I've written one.
• 1:28:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: I did two as a child, but again, we don't know what's inside them.
• 1:28:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: It could be, I don't know if you'll pretty solid.
• 1:28:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, exactly because they're filled with metal and gears and they're big old robots.
• 1:29:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: They didn't have that technology over.
• 1:29:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: They don't know that explain the pyramids.
• 1:29:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: They don't, they're not elephants.
• 1:29:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you got me there.
• 1:29:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: Have you ever sat on a wooden toilet seat?
• 1:29:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I port our outhouses, it's, they're usually wood.
• 1:29:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's fair.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: But like the, I'm thinking of like the decorative wood ones.
• 1:29:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: It was like a thing.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Probably had to be in the 70s.
• 1:29:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: I can't remember like a specific one, but I would assume in how it's wooden toilets.
• 1:29:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I have placed my ass upon the ass.
• 1:29:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: At our hunting shack, the toilet seat is wooden.
• 1:29:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: It has the biggest crack in the toilet.
• 1:29:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like the seat is cracked.
• 1:29:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: And it's just like the shittiest, but yeah, it's not checked, it's just a true true.
• 1:29:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: Um, but yeah, do one of those things are just even lots of ppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp
• 1:30:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, if we did, we would drive a bus to the airport.
• 1:30:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: And it was funny because when the trade was announced, we were like, oh my god, joyeers coming back, we're going to play him next week.
• 1:30:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: And it's like, we were going to play him against the Ravens.
• 1:30:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: In a few weeks.
• 1:30:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, at the end of the season, I think that's week 17.
• 1:30:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: If I'm not mistaken, right?
• 1:30:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, yep, December 20, I don't know.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Hopefully he's healthy and happy.
• 1:30:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
• 1:30:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: He might, it's like, how many more years is going to play in the league?
• 1:30:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he feels like a guy who will stick around too long.
• 1:30:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, so this isn't going on with that.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't have anything else, Todd.
• 1:30:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: Do you have anything else?
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Chuckie.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Talk.
• 1:30:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: Chuckie cheese.
• 1:31:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: Chuckie from Rugrats.
• 1:31:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, John Gruden.
• 1:31:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
• 1:31:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: John, this is AI, so if it's wrong, not my fault.
• 1:31:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: John Groen was traded by the Oakland Raiders to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in February 2002 for two first-round picks, two second-round picks, and $8 million cash.
• 1:31:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: Wow.
• 1:31:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's fucking crazy.
• 1:31:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: And the raiders were still never good.
• 1:31:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, they went to a Super Bowl.
• 1:31:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: They won a Super Bowl, right?
• 1:31:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: Was that, that was that wrong?
• 1:31:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think that was that.
• 1:31:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's Ganon, yeah, rich Ganon.
• 1:31:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: But that wasn't that that was before that right that my was rich.
• 1:31:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no, no, I didn't think it was John Gruden man.
• 1:31:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe I'm way wrong on this.
• 1:31:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think it was something when Tony Dungy or a different guy was the it was the tuck rule.
• 1:31:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's the next part I was going to get to is Tony Dungy gets kicked out of Tampa.
• 1:31:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: Because the box had just lost to the rate.
• 1:32:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: No, the Raiders.
• 1:32:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: Wait, it's AI.
• 1:32:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: That doesn't say, because the Buccaneers had fired their head coach, Tony Dungee, and we're looking for a place with the Raiders have recently lost the Patriots in the top room.
• 1:32:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, that's what it was.
• 1:32:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm just read it.
• 1:32:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: I remember hearing that a lot of green success was due to the team he took over, but who was the coach?
• 1:32:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, it was Dungie's team.
• 1:32:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: So for the Raiders?
• 1:32:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that is, no, no.
• 1:32:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: So the knock on Grootin is he wins his Super Bowl with a team that Dungie built in Tampa.
• 1:32:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: Who, who was the quarterback?
• 1:32:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, wasn't it, uh, isn't that, was that Dilffer?
• 1:32:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: No, that was Baltimore.
• 1:32:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, you're right.
• 1:32:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, what's the point about that?
• 1:32:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, we're going too long on this.
• 1:32:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, we will follow up on this next week.
• 1:32:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: Todd, do you have anything else?
• 1:33:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: No, I'm just really curious.
• 1:33:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no, my brain's in a pretzel as well.
• 1:33:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: With that, HEDDON, we're playing this week.
• 1:33:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: I hope you're fumble.
• 1:33:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: Take us out.
• 1:33:13
  [SPEAKER_05]: See you, anybody on Twitter or whatever.
• 1:33:15
  [SPEAKER_05]: You can't do what we're doing.
• 1:33:16
  [SPEAKER_05]: Just enjoy.
• 1:33:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: I just watch.
• 1:33:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know it gets me you know what they you know a big a big pizza Big pizza some pizza some for sure some frozen pizza you don't get the cardboard underneath any more Why yeah, I forgot what I have I don't know if it was a tombstone like I was at Walmart What's that and it's that and then other ones two in the past a California pizza like they don't give you cardboard It's like I understand you're trying to cut cost, but I got to put that's ridiculous.
• 1:34:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know what it's called
• 1:34:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: Hardboard it's exactly and it's like I don't always have a fucking platter to just pull the like usually to have a cutting board big enough But it's like are you really cutting costs by giving rid of cardboard on some of these beats?
• 1:34:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's ridiculous.
• 1:34:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's I'd be so disappointed if I opened up the box and there's just There's no cardboard like one of my supposed to be I guess you use the box