Latest / Genuin Connections / Genuin Connections: Episode 3 -- David Teicher, Founder/CEO at Qru
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- 0:05this is genuine connections featuring
- 0:07collaborative conversations about
- 0:09Community content creativity Commerce
- 0:12and the convergence of media and
- 0:22marketing welcome to genuine connections
- 0:25where we dive deep into the intersection
- 0:27of content community and commerce I'm
- 0:30Matt wor the CMO at genuine and today
- 0:32we're bringing you a conversation with
- 0:33someone who truly embodies the power of
- 0:36connection in our industry David tyer
- 0:40has spent years building and leading one
- 0:42of the most engaged and influential
- 0:44marketing communities first with brand
- 0:46innovators bringing together top CMOS
- 0:48and thought leaders and change makers in
- 0:50ways that actually matter now in that
- 0:53same Spirit he's taking this Innovative
- 0:55mindset and moving forward with crew his
- 0:59new Venture that's defining how we
- 1:01engage and share and collaborate in a
- 1:03rapidly evolving landscape and in this
- 1:06episode I hope to unpack what makes a
- 1:10great Community Thrive how content fuels
- 1:12real
- 1:13relationships uh and what David sees as
- 1:16the future of Engagement so whether
- 1:18you're a marketer a Creator or just
- 1:19someone who's fascinated by how
- 1:22connection drives success this is one
- 1:25you don't want to miss so let's get into
- 1:27it and welcome
- 1:28David David tyer welcome and thank you
- 1:32for joining us as part of this genuine
- 1:36connection conversation I love it thank
- 1:38you for having me I mean I'm I'm excited
- 1:40to be here Matt I honestly I mean I've
- 1:43known you probably more than a decade I
- 1:45give or take a decade or so but this
- 1:49career Journey that you've been on is
- 1:51something that has fascinated me as your
- 1:54friend as a colleague as a partner in
- 1:56many ways over the years but I got to
- 2:00know you when you first really got to
- 2:01Brand innovators and it's a company that
- 2:04has built its entire platform on making
- 2:06connections it is a premier marketing
- 2:09Community are you someone now as you
- 2:11move into this next chapter which we
- 2:13will talk about are you thinking about
- 2:16are you leveraging these lessons these
- 2:19takeaways like what is it about
- 2:21community and connection that has
- 2:22inspired you I mean yes the short answer
- 2:26I mean look that is what I live for um
- 2:28and and forgive me if I bored you with
- 2:30this story in the past but you know I
- 2:32wasn't before even before brand
- 2:34innovators before ad age I was an agency
- 2:37guy right so I never thought of you know
- 2:38Community Connection events as as a
- 2:41world for me um but I don't know maybe
- 2:45about 16 years or so ago a couple ad age
- 2:48editors slid into my DMs and when they
- 2:50tried to sell me on working on the
- 2:52conferences it was the people part that
- 2:55really sold me at the end of the day
- 2:57right hey you're going to get paid to
- 2:58meet people uh which I thought thought
- 3:00was really cool but then what I fell in
- 3:01love with uh as far as uh you know brand
- 3:04innovators and and my time at adage was
- 3:06not just me meeting people but bringing
- 3:09other great people together because like
- 3:10when you can do that and you see like a
- 3:14real
- 3:15relationship like be born in real time
- 3:18and you see that relationship then
- 3:19transcend the environment in which it
- 3:21was born and like you know you just
- 3:23brought two great people together and
- 3:25they're going to work together somehow
- 3:27or help each other in some way like
- 3:29that's what
- 3:30that's what I find super fulfilling so
- 3:32there's a lot of different ways to do
- 3:33that I loved my time at ad Ag and brand
- 3:36innovators in kind of these large format
- 3:38vehicles to bring lots of great people
- 3:40together and now it's just looking at
- 3:42different ways to bring great people
- 3:43together so what was it about the media
- 3:47marketing I mean agency was probably
- 3:49your foray into it but was it the idea
- 3:53of content was it creativity or was it
- 3:56like many people of Our Generation like
- 3:59not really sure what to do and this
- 4:00seems cool so let's just see what
- 4:02happens yeah yeah I mean it's a few
- 4:05things um I mean I I was if you want to
- 4:08go way way back to like me in college
- 4:10like I was I started off Premed then I
- 4:12switched to maybe I'll go to law school
- 4:14then I became a psych major and I really
- 4:16was not sure of of my trajectory I I had
- 4:21this you know I grew up in a family
- 4:23where you know it was almost
- 4:24predetermined that I was going to go to
- 4:26grad school of some sort and and have a
- 4:29one word job title doctor lawyer
- 4:32business you know accountant psych right
- 4:34like that was the world that I knew and
- 4:36then honestly you're going to think this
- 4:37is funny I watched the movie thank you
- 4:39for smoking with Aaron eert and I'm like
- 4:42I could do that right and and not
- 4:45necessarily to be a shill for tobacco
- 4:47companies but but the world of like
- 4:49strategic Communications and uh
- 4:52marketing really intrigued me and the
- 4:53more I looked into it I realized it
- 4:56would uh be a good vehicle for my that
- 4:59now the background in Psychology that I
- 5:01had because I was a psych major and I
- 5:04got this internship and I just fell in
- 5:05love with it and I and I just love the
- 5:07way our industry at its best is focused
- 5:12on understanding how people think and
- 5:14understanding how people behave and why
- 5:16they behave that way and then
- 5:18communicating to them based on that
- 5:20understanding right and those insights
- 5:22and that's what I love um the creativity
- 5:25part of it the technology part of it for
- 5:28me that's all kind of secondary to like
- 5:30the human psychology part of it well
- 5:32it's interesting because I again I think
- 5:35of you in this community Builder mode
- 5:39but I also see you as a real creator of
- 5:42barbecue videos right that is you that
- 5:45is authenticity that is but I mean only
- 5:48half joking like it is interesting to me
- 5:50that you are someone who was so early in
- 5:52Sharing personal passions in a way that
- 5:55crossed over with professional right was
- 5:58that intentional or or like yeah I mean
- 6:02it it was I mean maybe subconsciously
- 6:04but then then it became more more uh
- 6:07overt as time went on but like people
- 6:09don't want to work with a an imaginary
- 6:13person behind an email account right
- 6:15like if they know you as a person they
- 6:17want to work with you and and I am I am
- 6:21a person I know you are a person and yes
- 6:23we have our jobs and we have
- 6:26professional reasons to talk to each
- 6:27other and work with each other but we
- 6:29are Al so much more than that and I
- 6:32think when I think about community and
- 6:34connection like there's two layers to it
- 6:37right like when I bring people together
- 6:39or when I meet people like yes there's
- 6:40the professional stuff that I want to
- 6:42talk about but that becomes so much
- 6:44better when we also like each other as
- 6:47people and when we know each other as
- 6:49people I don't right so it's that I want
- 6:52for myself and my relationships with
- 6:54other people and just in general I think
- 6:57that moving beyond that kind of
- 6:59superficial layer is really really
- 7:01important so like yeah I want to talk
- 7:03about my Parenthood experiences and my
- 7:06mental health journey and my barbecue
- 7:08videos like that's who I am as a person
- 7:10and um I'll share it as much as I can
- 7:13and I'm comfortable sharing it and I and
- 7:15I think it just helps me build
- 7:16relationships with people
- 7:18honestly I I mean it it's definitely um
- 7:22it's definitely one of the many reasons
- 7:24I am drawn to you and enjoy spending
- 7:26time with you because you are you it it
- 7:29also helps that we actually share many
- 7:31of these things in common which you
- 7:32might not have known if it's like I saw
- 7:35you at a conference or you know we had a
- 7:37meeting right so that connection is
- 7:39forged through authentic sharing and and
- 7:44connection in your role as I I was I was
- 7:47going to call you Chief MC but you you
- 7:49were much more than that but um that was
- 7:52always how I saw you as uh at Brand
- 7:54innovators for the last decade but now I
- 7:56love that role you are you are you're
- 7:59great at it but you you've moved on into
- 8:03a different opportunity something that
- 8:05you have forged and created for yourself
- 8:08where you're taking a lot of those
- 8:09lessons a lot of the things that you've
- 8:11you've gleaned around content and
- 8:13connection I've been following this now
- 8:15and and been uh been connected with you
- 8:18as you've been building it but tell us
- 8:19what is crew and how do we join your
- 8:23crew absolutely I would love nothing
- 8:25more uh so I don't I don't want to give
- 8:27the sales pitch but you know we're we're
- 8:29still on still in the early days I will
- 8:30preface it this is really day one um but
- 8:33there were I would say two pieces of
- 8:35feedback or Insight that really drove
- 8:38what crew is uh one is like I was saying
- 8:41earlier just at a personal level I feel
- 8:43very fortunate to have such amazing
- 8:46relationships and amaz an amazing
- 8:48personal professional community of
- 8:50Industry Executives and leaders that
- 8:53support me and have supported me over
- 8:54the years right looking at back at Brand
- 8:56innovators and AD age if the marketers
- 8:59that I work with didn't answer my emails
- 9:00or didn't pick up the phone when I
- 9:02called or didn't show up to my events I
- 9:04mean in the event business if people
- 9:06don't show up for you you don't have
- 9:08events and you don't have a business
- 9:09right so I've always felt incredibly
- 9:12fortunate in that respect and the idea
- 9:15of saying how can I help others build
- 9:18their personal communities and their
- 9:21personal board of directors that crew
- 9:24right uh was really important to me and
- 9:26and just this idea that nobody in our
- 9:28industry does it alone um sometimes it
- 9:31looks like people do but nobody's really
- 9:33doing it alone and you know that crew is
- 9:37the Difference Maker and it can mean a
- 9:38lot of different things for different
- 9:39people it could be mentors or peer
- 9:42groups it could be partners and
- 9:43collaborators people to you know educate
- 9:45you or inspire you future team members
- 9:48right like people that can hire you that
- 9:50you can hire to to work with you so this
- 9:52idea of like a I want to help other
- 9:56people build this little micro Community
- 9:58for themselves this this crew um was
- 10:01really important to me and then the
- 10:03other is you know just from a form
- 10:06factor perspective you know there's a
- 10:08lot of different ways to bring people
- 10:10together and I personally have always
- 10:13gravitated to the more intimate
- 10:15environments um and so kind of combining
- 10:19those two and saying how can I create
- 10:21really special intimate environments
- 10:23were which are very intentionally
- 10:27curated and that yeah is the vision to
- 10:30do this across channels like obviously
- 10:32you've been in an event related or
- 10:35adjacent like business for for a number
- 10:38of years is this something that will be
- 10:39in real life it'll be digital it'll be
- 10:42virtual all of that yeah a th% um I
- 10:46think in time right I think I think the
- 10:48key where I see I'm going to be I'm
- 10:51going to be um hypocritical here but I
- 10:53think the best relationships are born in
- 10:55person and then and then nurtured you
- 10:57know on on other platforms or
- 10:59environments right so I can see a world
- 11:01where I'm bringing together these crew
- 11:03cohorts and then yes in between these
- 11:06inreal life opportunities there's you
- 11:09know Community platforms and and and
- 11:11other ways to bring people together and
- 11:13I say hypocritical because some of my
- 11:15closest Best relationships were forged
- 11:17online so uh you know I think you and I
- 11:19probably first met in on Twitter right
- 11:21like before even meeting in person right
- 11:23and I could say that about a lot of
- 11:25people uh I I do think that the world
- 11:28has unfortunately changed and it's
- 11:29harder to build real meaningful
- 11:32relationships in those public uh digital
- 11:35environments and social Landscapes like
- 11:37LinkedIn or Twitter because there's so
- 11:39much garbage uh or noise for lack of a
- 11:42better term than there used to be uh but
- 11:44yes I'll long answer to a short question
- 11:46I think it's
- 11:47both so with the progression and I know
- 11:51you're early stage but how do you
- 11:54envision this rolling out as far as
- 11:58either types of brand
- 11:59or topics or themes areas of Interest
- 12:02are there startups or certain people
- 12:04that you hope to collaborate with
- 12:06through crew I mean yes all all of the
- 12:09above um I think for me building that
- 12:11road map is fluid um and and in in a
- 12:15large part I've always got my ear to the
- 12:18ground in terms of what's important to
- 12:19the marketers that I work with so that
- 12:22feedback that I get is really what
- 12:24informs a lot of the planning uh but so
- 12:26so to that effect we are starting with
- 12:30three of these crew cohorts a leadership
- 12:32crew a media crew and a culture crew uh
- 12:35every marketer working backwards every
- 12:37marketer that I talk to is obsessed with
- 12:39culture right and and looking for
- 12:41opportunities for to be in culture and
- 12:44play in culture and and make sure their
- 12:45brands are culturally relevant uh Sports
- 12:49Music Entertainment Properties uh you
- 12:51working with talent and celebrities and
- 12:53influencers and creators right it's a
- 12:55it's an always on Evergreen never ending
- 12:58chall all to because even if you are
- 13:00culturally relevant one second you might
- 13:02not be the next second so that is that's
- 13:04where I'm starting is culture I think
- 13:07the media world you know we could talk a
- 13:08lot about but the buying planning
- 13:10personalization analytics you know the
- 13:12AI side of things that's also really
- 13:14interesting and then the leadership side
- 13:16there's really two things that I think
- 13:18about one is today's leadership cohort
- 13:20and and the CMOS that you know a lot of
- 13:22the feedback that I get are it's it's
- 13:23Lonely at the Top right uh where you
- 13:26certainly do have Cosmos with big
- 13:28networks that can call on others but
- 13:30then you also have Cosmos who are heads
- 13:31down do doing the hard work and there
- 13:34aren't a lot of people internally at the
- 13:36brands or within their organization that
- 13:38they could talk to because the other SE
- 13:39Suite members don't necessarily
- 13:41understand the marketing lens that they
- 13:43look through and they can't there there
- 13:45so so how can I bring them together but
- 13:48then I also think about aspiring leaders
- 13:50and kind of that next generation of
- 13:52marketers senior directors VPS svps who
- 13:56are amazing and they are already leaders
- 13:58in their own right but maybe they've hit
- 14:00a wall how can I help them over that
- 14:02hump and and kind of fuel their
- 14:04progression in this industry Again by
- 14:06connecting them with their peers their
- 14:07cohorts mentors other people to help
- 14:10them in their in their
- 14:12Journey so you said you're a psych major
- 14:16and you've been was Chief content
- 14:19officer what was your title of brand
- 14:21innovators technically Chief content and
- 14:23Community officer yes okay okay so
- 14:26content Community culture connection
- 14:29we're using a lot of words that happen
- 14:31to start with the letter c but I don't
- 14:32know if that's relevant but I you also
- 14:34spell them with the letter Q if you
- 14:36wanted you you could with a Q the this
- 14:41convergence that we're talking about of
- 14:44now
- 14:45like marketing and media and Community
- 14:49how do you how do you define or think
- 14:52about what makes for a strong marketing
- 14:57Community I think it's to use another CW
- 15:00all about curation um and and then uh
- 15:04tangentially or or other other nonc
- 15:08words like relevance and uh right where
- 15:11don't feel limited by the way feel free
- 15:13to explore the other letters the whole
- 15:15there's 25 other yes yes um no I I think
- 15:18it you know again there's there's a lot
- 15:20of different ways to bring people
- 15:22together a lot of different Community
- 15:23platforms out there and I think again a
- 15:25lot of them are amazing um I think for
- 15:27me it's really my goes back to just my
- 15:30thesis about media in general whether
- 15:33it's in person online social I think
- 15:37we've been part of this world
- 15:39where it's it's too big uh you know the
- 15:43the premise of the internet was hey
- 15:45we're going to give you access to
- 15:46everything and everyone and I think
- 15:48we're seeing a pullback from that where
- 15:50it's like hey maybe I don't want to
- 15:51access everything and everyone all the
- 15:53time and I think about it from a
- 15:55community standpoint as well is how can
- 15:58I put like-minded people together um who
- 16:02see the same challenges who are facing
- 16:04the same obstacles or excited about the
- 16:07same opportunities or investigating the
- 16:10same Trends people want to that's that's
- 16:12the most valuable sometimes I mean other
- 16:14times you want to cross-pollinate and
- 16:16other times you want to be with people
- 16:17who see things completely different
- 16:19because it brings a different
- 16:20perspective but I think sometimes it's
- 16:21really at the end of the day it's a
- 16:23matter of curation right okay the
- 16:26bringing right those vi points together
- 16:28bringing the content to the people
- 16:30bringing the people together right you
- 16:31are in some cases pulling and in some
- 16:34cases pushing I guess is that yeah fair
- 16:36to say I absolutely so what do you think
- 16:39you know as a brand conary or I don't
- 16:44know it's another I'm trying trying to
- 16:45get creative with my c-words but sure
- 16:48consultant yes but what do what do you
- 16:51think Brands get wrong about community
- 16:53building right because I think some do
- 16:55it well some struggle some have it right
- 16:59and then lose their grip so is there a a
- 17:02common theme or thread that you see it's
- 17:07interesting I was literally just having
- 17:08a conversation about like the you know
- 17:12there's a lot of different marketing
- 17:13disciplines one of them being CRM and
- 17:16loyalty and it it often does not get the
- 17:19attention it deserves or it's relegated
- 17:22to email lists and CRM platforms right
- 17:26but when it's most powerful it's seen as
- 17:30right that Community engagement piece
- 17:32right these are people if they're if
- 17:34they're in your system if they're
- 17:35already telling you they love your brand
- 17:37they shop your brand they' bought your
- 17:38stuff that's that's a huge signifier
- 17:41right they are they are not just people
- 17:43in a database they are fans of your
- 17:45brand or have the potential to be fans
- 17:47of your brand if they're activated right
- 17:48away exactly and I think that embracing
- 17:51that and investing in you know we think
- 17:54of community as like a social media term
- 17:56but like it's so much more than that and
- 17:59and I think that it'll it I'm really
- 18:01interested in seeing where that
- 18:03discipline of loyalty and CRM evolves if
- 18:07it can really get to that like brand
- 18:09fandom and brand Community place where
- 18:12you see the investment being made and
- 18:14embracing these people and not because
- 18:16right now there's a lot of like okay
- 18:18they're in our system let's go focus on
- 18:19the net new customer and then they kind
- 18:21of get ignored right and then you have
- 18:24to reacquire them as customers right and
- 18:26that's just more expensive I I I would
- 18:28love to marketers focus more on the
- 18:30people who have already told them they
- 18:33they love the brand yeah the you hear
- 18:36clearly I'm sure you've you were at a
- 18:39million conferences a year but the
- 18:41funnel that everyone brings up has
- 18:43become this Antiquated concept sure what
- 18:46we've been working through is
- 18:49the geometric shape I don't know what
- 18:52you call it of community is actually an
- 18:54infinity loop where you are re-engaging
- 18:57people post- purchase getting them back
- 18:59into the pre- purchase but you as a fan
- 19:01of something become an advocate that
- 19:02gets me in right so it's it's a way of
- 19:04keeping people in I don't know if it'll
- 19:06stick but it seems to be resonating and
- 19:09there's no way out once you have it
- 19:10figured out so that's the point of inity
- 19:14I mean that's you know you keep them
- 19:15trapped right but but it be it makes so
- 19:17much more sense and and yeah certainly
- 19:19there are some Brands out there with
- 19:21more mature uh I think visions and ideas
- 19:23for what that looks like but I think a
- 19:25lot of there are a lot of organizations
- 19:27that are still lagging and and and think
- 19:29of loyalty as just a database of emails
- 19:32that they can reach out to on an ongoing
- 19:35basis so what is um what is the role
- 19:38that content plays in shaping this
- 19:41loyalty retention incentive
- 19:44reward infinity loop as far as just
- 19:47sustaining these communities or growing
- 19:50them well I think it's it's twofold
- 19:52right and uh one is these are people
- 19:56whether it's me in my community and my
- 19:58platform I think I have a or or other
- 20:00brands right this I you can create
- 20:02content for this community it doesn't
- 20:04have to be content that's meant to sell
- 20:06them something or drive a purchase but
- 20:08it's meant to say hey we understand you
- 20:11and there's something that we can create
- 20:13that is something relevant to us as the
- 20:16Creator and it's also relevant to you as
- 20:18a member of our community right whether
- 20:19it's a cpg company coming up with
- 20:22cooking videos right like which which I
- 20:24think is a perfectly valid example right
- 20:27but uh or
- 20:29deputizing members of your community and
- 20:31and giving them a platform and raising
- 20:33them up which again I think we see a lot
- 20:35of and and you've talked about you know
- 20:37in this industry there's user generated
- 20:39content and there's influencer campaigns
- 20:41but I see a really cool
- 20:44opportunity for Brands to not just glom
- 20:48onto a big influencer or Creator because
- 20:50they already have a big following but to
- 20:52look for those smaller voices people who
- 20:55love their products and Elevate them and
- 20:57give them that platform
- 20:59that they deserve and you know at that
- 21:03at that point you're not just looking at
- 21:05them as again for for their reach right
- 21:07you're giving them your resources and
- 21:08your reach as a brand uh but saying hey
- 21:11you're you're you're connected to us
- 21:13you're a fan we like what you do we want
- 21:15to elevate you which I I love I I see
- 21:17that as like the most fruitful kind of
- 21:20relationship yeah it's a it's a balance
- 21:23I think that's going to be different for
- 21:24every brand but in the same way that
- 21:26it's like whether you're working with a
- 21:27technology partner or a media partner
- 21:30that's like build borrow or buy right
- 21:34and it the answer is usually all three
- 21:36but in some ratio that will shift over
- 21:38time exact content has gone through that
- 21:41fluctuation right everyone invested so
- 21:43much in building their own and then they
- 21:44could partner with others and if I can
- 21:46get users to create that Network effect
- 21:48of social proof but at the end of the
- 21:50day you need all of it if you're going
- 21:52to be successful and grow because no
- 21:54audience is single platform and no
- 21:56audience is single-minded and that's
- 21:58audience now you throw in communities
- 22:00which is like a multi-directional aspect
- 22:02of audience it's not one way anymore
- 22:03it's right every way arrows in all
- 22:05directions right that's a big that's a
- 22:08big shift but you're also I mean you you
- 22:11are someone who's had this front row
- 22:13seat to the evolution of marketing and
- 22:15media what do you what is exciting you
- 22:17now about shifts that are happening well
- 22:20I think
- 22:21continuing exactly what we're talking
- 22:24about and and a little bit of what I was
- 22:26alluding to earlier about the internet
- 22:27being too big
- 22:29uh I I really I'm seeing a lot of or
- 22:33what I'm excited to see a lot more of is
- 22:35the shift into small right into Niche
- 22:38whether from a Content standpoint um
- 22:40from an event standpoint uh I think I go
- 22:44back to the early days when I started in
- 22:46in comms and PR and there were you know
- 22:49the influencers of the day were bloggers
- 22:51right and they didn't have big audiences
- 22:54for the most part but they had a very
- 22:55specific Niche subject or expertise so
- 22:58so you were a a a mommy blogger or a
- 23:01Parenthood blogger you were a food
- 23:03recipe blogger you were a gardening
- 23:05blogger right so you may not have had
- 23:07the biggest audience but they were a
- 23:09very highly engaged audience and that to
- 23:12me is a community right like an Engaged
- 23:14audience that trusts you that's
- 23:17responsive to when you create content
- 23:19that interacts with you right as opposed
- 23:22to kind of the mass Med like again our
- 23:26industry is obsessed with numbers right
- 23:28so this idea of volume and reach is it's
- 23:31it's hard to unlearn the importance of
- 23:34audience sizes right but if I'm if I
- 23:38were a CMO and I had a certain Media
- 23:41budget I would really want I and a
- 23:43limited budget I would focus on smaller
- 23:47outlets and smaller media that had a
- 23:49more engaged loyal quality type of
- 23:52audience or Community right rather than
- 23:54just numbers um and I think that our
- 23:58industry is starting to unlearn the
- 24:01obsession with with mass reach a little
- 24:03bit I don't want to deride it or knock
- 24:05it I just I just think that that's the
- 24:08exception not the rule I wonder where in
- 24:12that culling down and maybe I would use
- 24:15the word Focus because focus is never
- 24:18just about one destination you can focus
- 24:20on a few things but each focus is going
- 24:22to be more narrow in this right model
- 24:24that you're saying I am interested and
- 24:27curious in some ways um already
- 24:31innovating in this but how AI can shake
- 24:34up marketing immedia we know it's
- 24:36happening both from a back office as
- 24:39well as a creative generative solution
- 24:42uh but what what are you most optimistic
- 24:45about what are you skeptical about what
- 24:48are you excited about with respect to
- 24:49all that we are seeing um because we
- 24:52were notation five years ago yeah yeah
- 24:55okay so I mean look I'm I'm certainly
- 24:57not the AI expert like that is that is
- 24:59not not my forte but I will say a few
- 25:02things one I'm excited
- 25:06about AI is a liberator right I think
- 25:09when we we get bogged down in whether
- 25:13it's it's professionally or personally
- 25:14in a lot of things that we don't want to
- 25:16waste time with right and I think I when
- 25:19we can get to a point where AI is taking
- 25:23on those tasks that we don't want to
- 25:25deal with to free us up to do the stuff
- 25:27that we enjoy Joy that's that's the the
- 25:30goal the Holy Grail right like I don't
- 25:32want to be building Google sheet
- 25:34spreadsheets and and things like right
- 25:36like or or or doing my tax right like
- 25:38when can AI do my taxes you know what I
- 25:40mean like when can AI do the things that
- 25:43I don't want to do that's that's what
- 25:45I'm excited for I the answer is now by
- 25:47the way just so you know a lot of it is
- 25:49already AI powered if not AI Le but um
- 25:53is it good enough for it to be trusted
- 25:56is the question and that's sure well
- 25:58different levels of acceleration already
- 26:00but right it's it's it's increasing
- 26:02exponentially right so it might not be
- 26:03today but that doesn't mean it won't be
- 26:04tomorrow right it's it's been incredibly
- 26:06impressive I think from uh when I when I
- 26:09when it frees us up I don't also
- 26:11necessarily mean to think about like
- 26:13it's not just hey I don't want to you AI
- 26:16do my taxes so I can go hiking right
- 26:18there's that but I also think
- 26:20professionally there's a lot of stuff
- 26:21that we get bogg down in and I I would
- 26:24like to see especially from a leadership
- 26:27perspective the opportunity for leaders
- 26:28to return to the more human side of
- 26:30things right building team culture right
- 26:34management and mentorship stuff that
- 26:36gets tabled a lot because there's so
- 26:38much pulling people in different
- 26:39directions if I can Outsource some of
- 26:41that to Ai and just be more of a leader
- 26:44uh and I don't mean me personally I mean
- 26:46just in general I think that'll be a
- 26:48really good benefit in the workplace of
- 26:50AI to counter Inu counterintuitively
- 26:54allow people to be more
- 26:55human so is that not that you need to
- 26:58put a number on it but like Fast Forward
- 27:01five years what become the defining
- 27:05traits of successful Brands and
- 27:07successful brand
- 27:09marketers specific to AI or in general
- 27:12no in general I think AI will help in
- 27:14many ways I hope it will I believe it
- 27:16will but the the traits of like the
- 27:19defining traits of success for a
- 27:20marketer are they
- 27:23different uh I think hard skills maybe
- 27:27yeah hard skills probably like I it's
- 27:29funny I was talking to someone the other
- 27:31day who on a podcast uh who was asking
- 27:34me what would I choose to learn from a
- 27:36genzer in the workforce and I I you know
- 27:39we talked about a few things and I Tik
- 27:40Tok editing right and and I I grew up in
- 27:43the days of social media marketing and I
- 27:45was proficient in all things Twitter and
- 27:47Facebook and Instagram right but and and
- 27:50even Vine and mircat and and a million
- 27:52other things but going let's go let's
- 27:54play this trip let's play this game
- 27:56Memory Lane but but but eventually right
- 27:58but but but there's something new every
- 28:00day so I think from a hard skills
- 28:01perspective that's only accelerating
- 28:03right and so so yes I think and AI being
- 28:07the number one reason for that so so yes
- 28:10as a marketer you need to be proficient
- 28:14in the AI tools toour right whatever
- 28:17that might be today it might be chat GPT
- 28:19or perplexity or deep seek or Google's
- 28:22gemini or Microsoft's cop whatever it is
- 28:25um but what's interesting so so one of
- 28:28the questions that I love to ask CMOS
- 28:30when I would be the podcast interviewer
- 28:33uh is what they look for from a talent
- 28:35perspective 10 years ago a lot of the
- 28:39senior marketers that I spoke to when I
- 28:41asked that question would say they are
- 28:43looking for experts subject matter
- 28:45experts who can help stand up different
- 28:48capabilities within the marketing
- 28:51organization expertise is never going to
- 28:53go out of style But as time has gone on
- 28:57when I ask that question now they are
- 29:00looking for multi-disciplinarian people
- 29:02who can be cross functional and speak
- 29:04different languages within the marketing
- 29:06department you can't just be X you have
- 29:09to maybe that can be where you focus but
- 29:11you also have to understand Y and Z and
- 29:14a and b and c and move around within the
- 29:17organization and work with people within
- 29:19the organization so that I think
- 29:22nimbleness and Agility um is going to be
- 29:25increasingly important right so not that
- 29:28Specialties will
- 29:30ever be completely out of style but I
- 29:34think that yeah it's it's it's Shifting
- 29:36the pendulum is swinging in that
- 29:37direction yeah I I heard someone
- 29:40reference it and I kind of stole it well
- 29:42I gave credit but uh it's like you have
- 29:44a major a minor and a gap as a marketer
- 29:47right like I am a brand marketer who
- 29:50understands and has a minor in growth
- 29:51marketing but product marketing is
- 29:53probably you know my Gap so as a
- 29:56marketer you can know enough to hire the
- 29:58right people and let them be the
- 29:59specialist in that thing but I need to
- 30:01be good enough in the other two things
- 30:03and I'm being very vague General but
- 30:05like that's kind of where we've adapted
- 30:08where you do need to be able to stretch
- 30:11um it's not t-shaped anymore it's like
- 30:14double shape yes exactly and and just
- 30:18and by the way it doesn't end right like
- 30:20there's no end point to learning right
- 30:21like you have to be willing to
- 30:23continuously educate yourself and
- 30:26sometimes people are reluctant to do
- 30:28that but it is it's an imperative right
- 30:30it's a NeverEnding imperative you
- 30:33there's something new to learn about
- 30:34every day and you have to be willing to
- 30:38to learn it well you mentioned earlier
- 30:40like this next chapter for you as you
- 30:43are embarking and building right I'm
- 30:45sure it's both a little exciting and a
- 30:47little scary how are you personally
- 30:49navigating that transition uh and why is
- 30:52the right answer probably relying on
- 30:54your community yeah I mean it's it's
- 30:57it's I'm petrified right for lack of
- 31:00right uh it's incredibly scary um but
- 31:04it's also incredibly exciting and I
- 31:06would say you
- 31:08know three and a half weeks out of the
- 31:11month uh it's more exciting than scary
- 31:14uh there's certainly days where where uh
- 31:16again the Seesaw wobbles in the other
- 31:18direction and that is the
- 31:19entrepreneurial Rao though right it's a
- 31:21good for yeah but like you said I'm
- 31:23incredibly fortunate um I have an
- 31:26amazing Community I now have an amazing
- 31:28in co-founder if you know Ariel Russo uh
- 31:31and you know we really believe in what
- 31:33we're building it's really been
- 31:34validated by a lot of the marketers that
- 31:36we talk to in terms of the gaps and the
- 31:38unmet needs and ways that we can you
- 31:40know our North Stars value creation so
- 31:42I'm very confident that if we create
- 31:44value for the people in this industry
- 31:46the business will follow you know what I
- 31:48mean that's that's that's my North Star
- 31:50is whatever it is that we're doing
- 31:51whatever these experiences are whatever
- 31:53these communities however they take
- 31:54shape if the PE if we prioritize
- 31:58the the quality of the experience and
- 32:00the value that we want to deliver the
- 32:02business will follow suit so I just
- 32:05someone wants to get involved by the way
- 32:07with crew what's the best way to connect
- 32:09and collaborate with you well uh hit me
- 32:11up on LinkedIn is probably the best way
- 32:13to start our website is still under
- 32:15development but it will be at crew. uh
- 32:18but uh you could also email me David
- 32:21crew. uh you could find me on Twitter at
- 32:23aroc uh although like I said uh Twitter
- 32:26is not what it used to be but my DMS are
- 32:28still open um so you know you'll be one
- 32:32of uh a lot of a lot of spam Bots but uh
- 32:35they're still open but yeah I mean I'm
- 32:37and I'm actively what's that no you'll
- 32:40help you'll find they'll cut through the
- 32:42Clutter and and get to you exactly so
- 32:45I'm om the channel you know like I'm
- 32:46everywhere that's where we got to be but
- 32:48um like I said I'm incredibly fortunate
- 32:50I've got an amazing community of people
- 32:52that are excited to work with me and
- 32:54build with me and participate and
- 32:56collaborate so I'm just trying to to
- 32:58take it one step at a time and uh that
- 33:00was my biggest lesson so far in the
- 33:02entrepreneurial journey is even if
- 33:04there's a lot that I want to do uh I'm
- 33:06not going to be able to do it all at
- 33:07once so it's one foot in front of the
- 33:09other one step at a time and and and
- 33:11just slowly
- 33:12build well David tyer CEO and founder of
- 33:16crew Media Ventures thank you for your
- 33:18time and for making a genuine connection
- 33:21with us your your wisdom your expertise
- 33:24your insights all of that um was was
- 33:28just it it shines and I'm excited for
- 33:30you and your journey but I am just again
- 33:33grateful to be a part of your crew SL
- 33:36Community I I appreciate you Matt I'm so
- 33:39happy to be here uh thank you for having
- 33:41me and and I'm thrilled to have you in
- 33:43my crew to be in yours in your community
- 33:46and uh I'm excited to find ways to
- 33:48collaborate whether it's work stuff or
- 33:50for a barbecue you know what I mean it
- 33:52could be any anything and everything