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The B -Side in boxing. B -Side shit. B -Side.
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The B -Side. B -Side. B -Side. B -Side. The B
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-Side thing. This is the B -Sides Boxing Podcast.
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Alright. Well, well, well, well, well. Boxing
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B -Sides back up in your ears. Joined by the
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homie Josh. What up? Sorry, I don't know what
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was happening. This guy just got a text that
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he's not able to crash out right now, but he
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brought a crash out text. I'm about to crash
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out. And the one and only Saul. So guys, back
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for another week. Happy to be here. Holy shit,
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let's get right into the fucking news. This feels
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odd. Usyk wants to fight Deontay Wilder. It feels
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like this is quite a few years too late. I think
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give Usyk one bomb fight. He deserves a break
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fight. If you look at Usyk's body of work, it
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really is only super easy fight. Since he came
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into the title picture was Chaz Witherspoon.
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I got to say, too, if Usyk fights Wilder, I mean,
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it beats the trifecta. He beat the guys. He beat
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the three best guys of his era. Yeah, exactly.
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So, I mean, no one's going to say he never fought
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Wilder. Well, he fought Wilder. He beat him.
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If he beats him. I think he's going to beat him,
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but if he beats him. As much as I love Usyk,
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though, I might have to root for Wilder. Here's
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Usyk's run at World Titles fights. He beat Krzysztof
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Kloacki, Michu Nu, Hunter, Michael Hunter, Marco
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Huck, Maris Britis, Murat Gassiev, Tony Bellew,
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then there's the Chaz Witherspoon fight, and
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then immediately jumped into Derek Chisora, AJ,
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AJ, Dubois, Fury, Fury, Dubois. That's a whole
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thing to run. Let the guy have a bum fight. Complete
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the set. Yeah, they've had a soft fight in years.
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Especially because it's not like he's just picking
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out some idiot without a name. At least Wilder
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has a name. Obviously not the same Wilder, but
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it's still Wilder for the name -wise. One thing
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I will say I'm not happy about is obviously Wilder
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never deserved it. Yeah. But, I mean, who the
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fuck else is there? They fucking take short again.
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Bobby Wardley. Bobby Wardley, but it sounds like
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they didn't want to put him with Usain. When
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you're thinking about, like, what fights you
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can take right now when you're looking at your
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last two or three fights, because that's what
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it is, one of them you can go and actually, like,
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have an easy camp and make some easy money. Because,
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like, one of his last two fights is going to
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be against the Tom or Wardley. It's got to be
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either one. Or fucking the Watch Trilogy. Yeah,
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like, it's going to be someone who actually deserves
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it, or, like, is actually a threat. So, like,
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why not, man? Like, why risk it against the slot
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machine that is Fabio Wardley? When you could
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just, uh... The slot machine that constantly
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hits triple sevens? Yeah, like, it's a rigged
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slot machine. Like, at least, like, Wilder's,
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like, an actual, like, he's a busted down slot
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machine. But, like, come on. This is a guy who's
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only hit triple sevens. So it is what it is.
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Well, that's it for the news. Didn't really have
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anything else. Let's get into the fucking recaps
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here. First things first, the Tasman card in
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Australia. I only picked up three off of this
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one. Tara Moana stops Herman Garcia in one. Jason
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Maloney gets a stoppage in four over Who Cares?
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Who Cares versus Who Cares? N 'Jaya Pataya, KO8.
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Fucking big KO. Yeah, fucking killed him, dude.
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Kunkara. Kunkara. Why do we keep getting these
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fucking bomb fights when... Cruiserweight's kind
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of dead. I think he's just waiting to see who
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wins from that Badu Jack fight. I doubt it. If
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not, he just can't get a good fight at cruiserweight.
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Frankly, he should just move up. I'm going to
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be so real. You think Gil Patash should move
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up? Well, he's just wasting time at cruiserweight.
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At least at heavyweight, the end goal for a cruiserweight
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is always heavyweight. Move up to Bridger. Bridger's
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funny as fuck. Go fight out. Just move up the
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heavyweight. It's really like... He weighs in
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right at 198. I'm guessing he actually... And
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he's a big boy. He'll be a small heavyweight,
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but it's better than languishing in Australia
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fighting nobody of note. Do you think his power
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is going to carry up the heavyweight? Oh, yeah.
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It's not... Especially with how scary his knockouts
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are. He's definitely going to have some on his
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pop. He has bumps. Not bumps, but guys that aren't
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at the same level. Yeah, I think it'll... He'll
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have a better chance of getting something worthwhile
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at heavyweight. Especially now that the division's
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starting to open up. Considering that the era's
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over, pretty much. Maybe. I think his power will
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get better if he moves up. Yeah. If he's not
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cutting anymore. Yeah, actually. We'll see. We'll
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see. Maybe it does. But I don't think he's going
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to go up to heavyweight. I think he wants to
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stay at cruiserweight. If he wanted to go up
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to heavyweight, he probably would have done that
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move by now. Yeah, he would have already. Yeah.
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Maybe in the future, but I think he might start
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some unfinished business at cruiserweight. All
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right. Let's get to the meat of the dish. PBC
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on Prime at the Frostbank Center in San Antonio.
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Oh. Isaac Lucero gets a stoppage in eight. Frank
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Martin ends Uncle Rancis. Thank God. That was
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such a good knockout, though. Norman got his
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chain stolen for knockout of the year. Might
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have, but it was against Rance's Bartholomew.
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Jin Sasaki's not great competition, really, either.
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Yeah, that's what I mean. At least, say what
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you will about Rance's, this guy is such a negative
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guy. He's one of those negative guys that you
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stopping him is actually a pretty big achievement.
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Is that right, though? Especially not the, like...
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Yeah, especially, like, Gary Antoine Russell,
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like, whatever debatable ref stoppage. Like,
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no, here you just killed him. No, that's... Yeah,
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that was pretty... That was a scary knockout.
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I'm not trying to take away the knockout from...
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No, but I understand, like, Bartholomew's been,
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like, one of those guys who's stuck around forever
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by stinking the place out against these guys.
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I do wish that the fight kind of went on a little
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longer. I know it sounds silly, but it's Martin's
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first fight back in a long time. New division.
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And it's at 142. And it's against Reza Bartholomew.
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I understand, yeah, it's a tune -up, but a tune
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-up, you still need some rounds, you know? I
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think you're underrating Bartholomew as an opponent
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because of how horrible he is to watch. Am I
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really underrating Bartholomew? I think I'm properly
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rating him. He's a solid... Like, stopping...
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Like, frying Bartholomew like that at 140 is
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pretty good. That itself is a pretty commendable
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achievement, but it's not like he knocked out
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someone. I know. And just the fact that the knockout
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was so... The knockout was just, like, that clean
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as fuck. It was a clean knockout. That's why
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easy KO of the year. It just comes so... It's
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just so clean. My thing with Frank Martin is
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I'm glad he got the knockout, but against races,
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Bartholomew, that's still not the best. He's
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not going to get an opportunity at Shakur or
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Tao. Well, no, but he can get a Pitbull. He can
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even get a Gary Antoine Russell. He can get a
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Gary Antoine Russell. Never know what could happen.
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I was going to say, Cruz, we're going to get
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into this. Cruz is about to be one of the more
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manufactured guys I've ever seen. Yeah. But I'll
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say this. One thing I will mention is that to
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your point about Rancid Bartholomew, I want to
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support your point, he did almost knock out Jose
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Ramirez. Yeah. I'm not saying he's some all -time
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great, but I'm saying knocking him out that brutally
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is always a welcome achievement. Yeah. Yeah,
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100%. I agree with you. Jesus Ramos, UD over
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Shane Mosley Jr. I have mixed feelings about
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this. Good to see Ramos back in the win column.
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But at the same time, it felt like he struggled
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against a pretty mid guy. And it had some trepidation
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there. One thing about Ramos is that his power
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wasn't working for him this time around. And
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since it wasn't working, he had no answers. All
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he did was spam the same button. And that was
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honestly concerning to watch. Honestly, Mosley
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turned up pretty sharp, honestly. Yeah, all respect
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to him. He had heart that night. He had heart?
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And he showed up sharper than I've seen him in
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a while. He gave a damn good performance against
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Ramos to the point, I think he almost, not almost
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that bad, Ramos. but he had Ramos hurt at one
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point. I feel like it's an outlier performance
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from Mosley where, like, this is definitely better
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than Mosley's ever looked, but he's still Shane
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Mosley Jr. Yeah. So, like, you... It's a very...
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It's a rare case, but you did catch Mosley on,
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like, a career night. I feel like they tried
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to set it up to get a knockout for Jesus Ramos.
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Yeah. For a guy like Shane Mosley Jr., that's...
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I know it's not a... big name, but it's still,
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it's mostly Junior. He's been, like, a solid
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campaigner around middleweight for a bit. Like,
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he's not great, but, like, you know. He's bumped
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up with that name. Yeah. But, honestly, I was
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watching Ramos, and honestly, I think Ramos is
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good, but he needs to be tweaked a little bit.
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He needs a little pep in his step, you know?
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That was really concerning. It could have been
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Ramos and Virgil earlier if Lubin didn't fucking
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rob him, bro. Yeah. I don't know. Ramos' career
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can still go. It's just, how old is he? Oh, he's
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young. He's like 24. Yeah, that's what I mean.
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He's still a bit of a work in progress. It's
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nothing. Yeah, which is good. It's just that
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it is concerning to see that early on right now.
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So hopefully they tweak him enough. We'll see.
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Depends on his trainer and how he develops. But
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I think, again, Mosley giving him a bit of a
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scare, a real scare, not just sitting on the
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ropes and getting beaten on, is healthy. Yeah,
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that's true. Very healthy for his career to get
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a bit of a scare from a journeyman having a career
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night. He's got that interim title now. You think
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they're lighting him up for Adonis? Ooh. That's
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an intriguing fight, actually. Yeah, I'd watch
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that. Adamas isn't that good. That would probably
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be like a co -main fight, honestly. Yeah, that's
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a good fight, actually. That's a good fight to
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make. Yeah, Benavidez, main. He's almost coming.
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Is Benavidez still with PBC? I doubt it. What?
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Is Benavidez still with PBC? No, yeah. I'm pretty
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sure he's still with Samson, right? He's still
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with Samson. Okay, then, yeah. Absolutely, Lenny.
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Get Ramos Adamas going on. Oh, man. Other than
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Adamas, what else can he do? Laura. I think they
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should have put him with Laura this time around.
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I don't know why they didn't. That was easy cash
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or money for Laura. And we'll talk about it right
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now, but that would have been a perfect fight.
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Honestly, it could have been better than Janet
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Beck -Lara. It would have been really great.
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Lara looks so fucking old. They could have put
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Johan Gonzalez with Shane Rose Jr. and then...
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Robos Lara? Yeah. Yeah, I feel like... You know
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what? Yeah, he was already ranked, actually.
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Well, you'd have to get the WBA, because it's
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the WBA that... The WBA would have to rank Ramos
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when he has the interim for the WBC. He's still
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ranked on the right or no? Once you hold the
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trinket for one sanctioning body, it's tougher
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to get a shot at another sanctioning body. You
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generally make your way up through one path.
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It's why you see you guys hold rankings, but
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not trinkets. When you get in that WBZ interim
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title, that's a death. That's a death. What's
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the word? It's not good. Whatever. It's not good.
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It's where you get stuck in the mud. You're just
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going to be spinning your wheels. Ramos is a
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guy PBC is trying to push and Adamas is on his
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way out. Yeah, like Adamas, just age -wise, you
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would rather have Ramos over Adamas. Adamas is
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31, but he's also like... He hasn't looked the
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most solid. He's a perfectly good champion, but
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he's clearly vulnerable. Well, so is Ramos, though.
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Yeah. But, again, Ramos is, like, five years
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younger, and you still have time to work with
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Ramos. I think, honestly, because it's Yohan
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Lee Hernandez that's in the... He's either going
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the IBF or the WBA route. I'm not sure. Probably
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the IBF. Middleweight's kind of gridlocked right
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now, especially now that Janabek popped and...
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Those belts are going to be in fucking limbo
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because they're probably not going to strip him.
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WBO is not fucking stripping him. Let's be real.
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Maybe IBF. IBF don't fuck around. IBF doesn't
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fuck around. They're going to strip him as soon
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as that B sample comes back. But it's still just
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annoying because instead of having one champ,
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it's like one champ with three belt. Like, you
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know, it's gridlocked. Because now everyone has
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to wait for Janabek's doping to have a consequence.
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What about Shane Mosley? Because he turned in
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a pretty damn good performance. Like, for Shane
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Mosley, that was pretty good. Oh, he's probably
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going to have another fight. Another, like, meaningful
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fight that he'll probably lose. But he's going
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to keep getting these, like, mid -level... fights
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as a step -up. Frankly, for me, having watched
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Shane Mosley Jr. on all those zone cards in the
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past, that was a career night for sure. He was
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a Golden Boy fighter for a while, right? Yeah.
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He just came up short. Nothing wrong with that.
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You need guys to both be stern tests, but also
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they're not great. They're going to keep you
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on your wits. That's it. Yeah, like you need
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guys to actually test and push and expose your
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younger boys. But it's not like he's never going
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to win a world title. That's not the goal for
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Mosley at this point, really. Oh, man. Aris Landilara.
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Tsk, tsk, tsk. Oh, he's so fucking old. Over
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Johan Gonzalez. Two knockdowns. Open the fight
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with it and close the fight with it. He's so
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fucking old, man. Yeah, he'd looked his age and
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Johan was hot garbage. Jesus Christ. Yeah, I
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stopped watching. Lara's showing everyone why
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you should hate him and why you should love him
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at the same fight. Literally the Lara cycle.
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Like, oh, fuck Lars. Oh, shit. Looks great. Oh,
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shit. He looks great. Oh, my God. And then, like,
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right as you're nodding off in the 11th or 12th
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round. Oh, my God. He's great. Yeah. Crazy. It's
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like fucking breadcrumb in my ass. It's like
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one of those chili peppers that, like, it tastes
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great when you bite into it. Then you have it
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in your mouth and it's horrible, horrible. Like,
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it tastes like fucking dog shit. And then once
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you swallow it, the aftertaste is pretty good.
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Please it's like a very nasty chili pepper if
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I had to describe the taste like the flavor,
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you know what I mean? So what what happens with
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Laura now You cash him out Against who, though?
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To anyone. Anyone. It can be Adamas. It can be
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Ramos. It can be Crawford. You find a guy and
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you cash him out next year because he's not fighting
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for another year. And that might be perfect for
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Crawford because he's not going to fight for
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another year. So you might just fucking fight
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Crawford. Yeah, you might as well. Yeah, sorry.
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Lara Crawford is going to be a hilarious fight
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because there's no doubt in my mind Crawford
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beats him. But it would be hilarious if Lara
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drops him early. No, that would be fucked up.
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That would be hilarious. You'd be like, oh my
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god, Lara's going to win. And then while Lara's
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cruising, Crawford just beats the shit out of
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him. Can we talk about **** again? I don't want
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to hear the bullshit about Crawford getting knocked
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out. I said knocked down. It's going to be the
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Lara cycle. It would be hilarious. Lara catches
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him early, and then Crawford just beats on him
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for the rest of the fight. And then we can all
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laugh and make our gifs about how Crawford's
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a chinless bum who loses to pensioners. Yeah,
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I don't really have a whole lot. Just Erislandy
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Lara. It's about time to get out of here, man.
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What are you doing? I know you had the... The
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Janet Beck thing, that's not your fault, but...
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Come on, man. It could have met him out early.
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Yes, absolutely. That's the type of fight you
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finish quickly. Talking about Dan? Talking about
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finishing quickly? Oh, I think... I don't know
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why... Oh, my God, bro. What is it? What is it
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with you today? I don't know. Leo brought it
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up. He was talking about finish early. Oh, my
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God, bro. I swear that's not happening. Hey,
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we got to extend it out. This one's kind of light.
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This one's not kind of light. We have the fucking
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cruise thing. Oh, shit. That's right. Still got
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two fights. You're wasting valuable rant time.
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And there's valuable rant time with discussions.
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Hey, I'm making Patreon time. I'm giving the
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Patreon. You're not making Patreon time. You're
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making losing sponsor time. Sponsor time? Oh,
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yeah. Speaking of sponsors. Oh, my God. Robin,
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will you take us back if we get rid of him? I
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will leave it if you give me free ramen. If ramen
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comes back. Oh, my God. Oh, Shacky Foster beat
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Stephen Fulton. A lot of WBC fucking bull jive
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going on here. Fulton misses weight and then
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they change the fight to be for the vacant interim
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135 title you know what at least they're making
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up a title it's not like they're just taking
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the belt away from someone and giving it to them
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they're just making up a belt why What the...
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It was obvious they were trying to fucking...
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It's not that bad. It's not as bad. Making up
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a shitty trinket like participation trophy isn't
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that bad. That's an interim title. It was ultimately
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to Foster's complete benefit considering Fatboy
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Fulton showed up and looked very stoppable. That
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was horrible. How the fuck do you miss weight
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going up? What the... What kind of fucking...
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What the hell is wrong with him? Use code Fulton
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on DoorDash, by the way. I saw that. That's funny.
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Like, fuck, man. Can Fulton give us a ramen back?
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Like, he probably ate all the fucking ramen.
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I blame Isaac, bro. I'm insane. That's crazy,
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dude. That Fulton missed the weight like that.
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Missed the weight by two pounds. Doesn't even
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try to, like, make weight the second time. He
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made Oshaki Foster look like a fucking pound
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-for -pound god. Yeah, after that, like, shows
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up fucking rubbing his belly, like, he just,
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fuck, dude, I've had it. Fuck the Tims, dude.
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Go fucking put on some red shoes. Like, I saw
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some questions, where does he go from here? Retirement,
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bro. I don't want to see this shit. No, I mean,
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again, Fulham, as much as we're going to shit
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on him right now, again, he was a great fighter,
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but what the fuck happened? He had a good little
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resurgence, but, like, this is, like, peak, like,
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you're phoning it in. If you can't even be bothered
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to show up on weight, you're phoning it in. Like,
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your heart is not in it, clearly. I hope the
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PBC drops him after this, dude. That's actually
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the most – because how are you going to miss
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weight and then get an interim title shot, which,
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again, that's – you guys say it's a trinket.
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That's not really just a trinket. That's an interim
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belt where if Shakur goes up and stays at 140,
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they're going to keep the belt. Yeah, good pro
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Jackie Foster. Yeah, maybe good pro Jackie Foster,
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but 4 -1. I thought I saw a poster that the vacant
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interim 135 was going to be on the line for some
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other card. Kind of like a nothing card. Yeah,
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it was supposed to. The WBC does these little
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eliminator tournaments that they enjoy doing,
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so. They like, this is why they fucking, people
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don't like this shit. This is the exact reason
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why. Honestly, it's all on Fulton. We don't get
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into debates about trinkets and whose rankings
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belong where if Fulton just makes weight. Yeah,
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yeah. If he shows up to work because it is his
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job and part of that job is being on weight,
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there's no interim world title, whatever. It's
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just a fight for the WBC Superfeather title.
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Yeah. And if he lost, so be it. I mean, yeah,
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you lost, but to a heavier fighter. Okay. Yeah,
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whatever, man. Come on. This is brutal. No, this
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is bad for his career. I don't want to see him.
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That's bad. Like, let's say what you will. Like,
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I'll say, like, Ryan Garcia totally blew weight
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with Haney. But, you know, at least he looked,
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like, he didn't look lethargic in there. Well,
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the thing is, Ryan Garcia also wasn't moving
26:36
up in weight to fight. You know what I mean?
26:39
He was weight -draining himself. Fucking Fulham
26:42
was moving up. That's crazy. Fulham moved up
26:44
and still fucked it. Yeah, yeah. I mean, how
26:47
many guys do you know move up in weight and then
26:49
miss weight? Yeah. In recent memory. I don't
26:53
remember any of that shit. This past year, definitely
26:55
not. Well, Oshaki Foster. You gotta give what?
27:04
I was probably gonna say exactly what we're gonna
27:06
say right now. Oh, Shacky Foster, what? Does
27:11
he stay at 35? Like, because this interim thing,
27:16
eh. He has the full title at 130. Fuck no, he
27:21
should stay at super featherweight. He's going
27:25
to have better competition there for himself
27:26
that he can compete with. It's going to be better.
27:29
He's not going to be waiting in line since he,
27:31
again, the belts matter. He's going to be, he's
27:35
the one. in charge, basically. Yeah, why vacate
27:40
your belt to become interim belt? Why wait in
27:42
line when you already hit the front? There's
27:43
for sure going to be guys moving up just by the
27:47
fact that Inoue's making his way up, Nakatani's
27:52
making his way up. These guys are going to get
27:54
beaten and move up, a la Fulton. So he's going
27:58
to get an influx of guys. Hats off to Shaggy
28:02
Foster, though. He surprised a lot of people.
28:05
Oh, yeah, he looked really good. He looked really
28:07
good. Like, Fulton looking bad and Foster looking
28:09
good are things that can coexist. Yeah. Fulton
28:13
went southpaw, and I was like, damn. I don't
28:17
remember this, Oshaki Foster. Fuck, what happened?
28:21
So, hats off to him. Respect him. You know, hopefully,
28:25
whoever wins against Nava Nunez, maybe he fights
28:28
him. You know, I see Oshaki Foster. can keep
28:34
it up like this, I think he can do well in the
28:36
division. But he needs to keep it up. This was
28:46
actually like an entertaining fight from Foster.
28:49
Yeah. I thought it was going to be better, but
28:53
it was surprising. Yeah. Fulton was not the best.
28:59
No, but Foster... A worse guy still makes Fulton
29:03
look competent in there. Like, Foster did not
29:08
let Fulton into the fight. I will say this, that,
29:11
honestly, if Fulton came to actually fight, I
29:15
think this would have been a really good fight.
29:17
Oh, absolutely. That first round was really good.
29:20
I was like, oh, shit. I was like, oh, they're
29:22
already going at it? Damn. And then after that,
29:25
it was like, Fulton was just fucking doing a
29:28
menace round on Stoneyer. He was surviving the
29:32
whole night. Sad. But you know what? You had
29:35
your time, champ. Where does he go in the boxing
29:40
laundry theory? I like Stephen Fulton. This was
29:50
a really bad look. But I don't know. I want to
29:55
believe that he can come back from this. Otherwise,
30:03
he's in the hamper. Oh, yeah. It's getting hard.
30:09
Yeah, missing weight. Not even trying to cut
30:14
the last few ounces or whatever you can. Maybe
30:21
he put on the weight bad, like he just put on
30:22
dirty weight. Could be. I don't know. Let's ask
30:28
Isaac. Too many cheese sticks. Steve Falcon,
30:32
Isaac, bro. Oh, shit. Speaking of Isaac, Isak
30:40
Cruz, Lamont Roach. What the hell? Who wants
30:48
to go first? I feel like I'm going to have the
30:51
least lengthy rant. Least lengthy rant? Lamont
30:56
Roach looked pretty good. Not, like... but he
31:00
looked pretty good. Isak looked completely incompetent
31:04
in there, and he looked oddly lethargic and tired
31:07
as the fight went on. As for the result, the
31:12
Texas State Commission has always been kind of
31:14
a joke, honestly. So it's not even that, like,
31:18
Cruz is some kind of protected asset. That argument
31:21
comes with his matchmaking, but... It's just
31:26
like, yeah, the judging's kind of always been
31:27
incompetent in Texas. And again, this is the
31:30
same group of people that continue letting Lawrence
31:32
Cole referee fights. Like, I think you just have
31:36
to say they suck and hope. It's not like Roach's
31:41
profile. Roach arguably gets a larger profile
31:44
out of these controversial results. It's just
31:47
that, like, yeah, it sucks for the record. You
31:52
guys, what do you guys have to say? Leah, you
31:57
want to go first? You had said something earlier
32:00
that I really found intriguing, which was that
32:04
he's like a manufactured, the most manufactured
32:07
product. Yeah, he's a very protected, I said
32:11
he's a protected product due to the matchmaking
32:14
that he's had. Okay. Because like, realistically,
32:19
like, even Ryo, Ryo was... There's a guy that,
32:24
like, you probably expected him to get smoked
32:27
by Cruz. Like, they've been giving him guys that
32:31
he can beat. And, like, knock over. And, like,
32:38
I think Roach, even Roach, Roach is a... You
32:42
drag Roach up another weight class. And let's,
32:48
like... I'll say that Roach is certainly surprised.
32:52
but not impressed with his performances. I feel
32:57
like Roach is... The impression Roach gives is
33:00
a guy who has such low expectations. You have
33:02
such low expectations of him that he ends up
33:05
blowing you away performing the way he does.
33:10
I had high expectations, especially after the
33:12
tank fight. No, but I'm saying going into the
33:15
tank fight, like this year. Oh, yeah, okay. yeah
33:18
like he's blown you away but like really you
33:20
look at him i'm like he probably could have beaten
33:22
uh cruz more convincingly he had a defensive
33:26
lapse with the knockdown that ended up costing
33:30
him the fight as unjust as that was but there
33:33
was the point deduction that kind of balanced
33:35
it yeah yeah but but i mean like Yeah, like,
33:40
Saul's gonna have a rant about the PPC protecting
33:44
an asset, but I feel like it's just in the matchmaking
33:47
itself that Cruz gets protected. Because, like,
33:53
yeah, Roach totally could punch with him, but
33:56
there's no moment where you're like, oh shit,
33:58
Cruz is getting exposed and beaten up by this
34:00
guy. Not that you haven't seen before. Yeah,
34:05
like, it's nothing like... Like, and a lot of
34:09
his matchmaking are guys that, like, they're
34:13
older guys that probably could have been a threat
34:14
when they were younger. Guys who, like, they
34:18
have no threat, period. Like, I feel like Roley,
34:24
Roley was always, like, tailor -made to lose
34:27
to Cruz. He's very, and he's popular. You gotta
34:33
remember, he's a popular Mexican action fighter.
34:35
Well, that's the perception of him, at least.
34:38
That's what they're trying to push. The perception
34:40
of Cruz is that he's this action fighter. So
34:44
it's not in how they cook decisions or whatever,
34:47
because be real, this was just an incompetent
34:49
decision by an infamously incompetent commission.
34:54
But I think he's a very protected asset. They're
34:58
not going to put him with Roach again. He was
35:02
supposed to knock over Roach. Maybe set up the
35:06
tank rematch? Yeah, they're probably going to
35:08
set up a tank rematch and Roach... Roach is going
35:11
to get an opportunity because, again, I will
35:14
say that if he just got the clean win over Cruz,
35:17
a lot less people would be saying Roach's name
35:19
than being outraged over a bad decision. It's
35:25
a... Like, all publicity is good publicity type
35:30
thing, especially when you don't lose. Yeah,
35:33
he didn't lose a fight. He definitely didn't
35:35
lose a fight. That's the main thing. When you
35:37
don't lose on paper on the result, it's a lot
35:42
easier to cry outrage and have him stay in those
35:44
rankings for something bigger. But that's me
35:50
having a more balanced take. I hate the Texas
35:52
Commission more than I throw blame on anyone
35:55
else. Let her rip, Saul. I'm fiending right now.
36:04
There's a couple things with this fight that
36:05
I had problems with from the start. Putting Isaac
36:08
Cruz and Lamar Roach on pay -per -view already
36:10
is not a good decision, I think. Obviously, the
36:15
PPC is feeding for money right now, just like
36:19
all the other promotional companies going against
36:20
the Saudi government. And seeing Pippo Cruz turn
36:26
into Devin Haney last night was a sight to watch.
36:29
Not only did he dance, but he fucking used his
36:33
jab. I think that that itself made Josh believe
36:36
in God again. But, I mean, come on, dude. That
36:40
fight was a great fight. Don't get me wrong.
36:44
And I would have been fine with a cross the board
36:46
draw. But 116 -111 is fucking bullshit. Or 115
36:52
-111. That must mean that without the point deduction,
36:56
Cruz would have won the fight. 8 -4. Yeah, 8
37:01
-4. That's fucking... Bullshit, you know? Not
37:05
to put a plug in the rant, but I have brought
37:10
it up on the podcast before. That is inherently
37:12
a flaw with how judging functions from their
37:15
seats. Again, two of the three judges, as you
37:20
can see, can see Cruz in a round, can see Cruz
37:23
hitting nothing but air or gloves. Roach is a
37:28
huge catch and shoot guy. But if you have Roach's
37:32
back, and all you see is Cruz landing. Like,
37:36
the perception is him landing. He's not actually
37:37
landing. Roach is catching and shooting. Yeah.
37:40
But if all you see is Cruz landing, you're probably
37:42
going to score the round for Cruz. And particularly,
37:45
this is a flaw I find with Texas fights. You
37:48
know how usually there's, like, a personal space
37:50
bubble around the judges, like at a Vegas event?
37:53
Yeah. Like, they don't get in their face. They
37:56
just have the disadvantage of seeing the fight
37:58
from a bad angle. Texas tends to crowd these
38:02
judges, so there's a lot, like, your eye's gonna
38:04
wander a little bit. And, like, just the distractions
38:08
pile up in addition to the bad point of view,
38:11
as well as the fact that Texas clearly has less
38:14
stringent standards for judging, that, like,
38:17
you get shitty decisions. Well, one thing I will
38:22
say, too, is that a lot of people in the crowd
38:24
thought Pitbull won. Sean Tatello, a guy that
38:27
I admire, I respect him a lot. He said that he
38:31
thought Pitbull won. Which, I mean, if you're
38:34
in the crowd, obviously, that might be different.
38:36
Pitbull was throwing more. And sometimes it looks
38:39
like a lands, but obviously not. That's the catch
38:42
-and -shoot style that Roach has. And again,
38:46
if you're seeing it in person from an angle,
38:48
if all you see is the fist getting to the target,
38:53
that's going to be a scoring shot for Cruz compared
38:58
to... With the reality, from the view we get,
39:01
where the camera can clearly catch from a preferential
39:04
angle and good lighting, Roach catching the shot
39:07
and shooting back. Yeah. But what I will say,
39:12
though, is it's fucking fishy to me that... How
39:15
many guys, besides Mario Barrios, of course,
39:18
which this is also playing to the topic, how
39:21
many guys, you know, get back -to -back fucking
39:24
majority draws against guys that... are from
39:27
the same promotional company, you know? Are you...
39:30
I feel some weird shit going on, dude. Because...
39:33
Why the fuck do you fight Tank, get a majority
39:37
draw? Okay, whatever. You come back, you fight
39:39
Pitbull. Last four rounds for Pitbull? Really?
39:42
Even if you're fucking blind, you can see that
39:45
fucking Lamar Roach could have won at least one
39:48
of those rounds. That is clear as day robbery.
39:51
Okay? That knockdown was equaled out. Yeah, shitty
39:55
decision. And I think, honestly, if you just
39:58
gave it a clear across -the -board draw, everybody
40:00
would have been fine. Nothing would have been
40:02
wrong. But a fucking majority draw? That's some
40:05
bullshit. It's just how you arrive at those decisions
40:08
that, like, obviously it's a horrid decision,
40:12
but I'm saying, like, the judge is looking at
40:14
it from the point of view of round by round.
40:17
Yeah. Not by the total punches landed. Yeah,
40:20
so I mean, like, if you end up, like, absolutely,
40:22
like, you can, it can be a close, because it
40:24
was pretty close when you look at it from, like,
40:26
the perception of, like, who is landing scoring
40:28
shots ringside. So, like, it's like, okay, it
40:34
was a close round, but I'm shading it to Cruz.
40:36
Close round, I'm shading it to Cruz. Close round,
40:38
I'm shading it to Cruz. That's three rounds that
40:40
go to Cruz now. And, like, the thing is that,
40:44
like, it can happen in the other direction, too,
40:46
where, like, And you see it happen a lot, and,
40:49
like, that was a close fight. Why was it so lopsided?
40:53
Well, because, like, it was a close fight, but
40:56
one guy shaded, like, eight rounds. Yeah. So,
41:01
from the judge's point of view. So I feel like,
41:04
again, the discussion is both Texas needs to
41:07
do a better job on training and certifying officials,
41:10
just generally. And, again... overhauling judging
41:16
doesn't mean more judges or AI judges. It just
41:19
means give judges a neutral view that actually
41:23
represents the fight and not just you get the
41:25
backs of the fighters for two -thirds of the
41:27
damn thing and you're probably guessing. Oh,
41:30
yeah. I agree, I agree. But honestly, this whole
41:34
year, honestly, with PBC cards is kind of odd
41:37
because I always did that three main events in
41:40
one year you get a majority draw. You know? Sometimes
41:45
it's just the luck of the draw. Like, you look
41:47
at probabilities. That's crazy, though. Two times
41:49
with the same fighter as well. Like, if you do
41:51
probability, if you run probability, you know,
41:56
like, when you shuffle a playlist and you don't
41:57
get any repeats, that's actually it being manipulated
42:00
because you're more likely to get repeats of
42:03
the same occurrence. And the same thing happens
42:07
here. Like, sometimes we get, like, we've gone
42:10
how many years with, like, minimal draws in these
42:12
cards? Of course there's going to be a bad year.
42:16
But two times with the same fighter. You know
42:20
what I mean? That's fishy to me. That's just
42:22
how Roach fights, though. He's a catch -and -shoot
42:24
fighter, which means the judges are going to
42:26
see those shots landing when they don't. Honestly,
42:31
this fight was a lot harder to score than fucking
42:33
Tank and Roach. I found it the opposite. Like,
42:36
Tank, like... Like, this one was pretty clear.
42:42
Like, Roach was making his work pretty clear.
42:45
If you were looking at his angle, where, like,
42:47
Tank... Like, with a Tank fight, it really depends
42:50
on what your judging criteria is. Yeah. Because
42:54
the thing is that, say what you will about Roach,
42:56
like, Roach and everything, Tank didn't give
42:58
him much to catch and shoot off of, and, like,
43:00
it was a pretty cagey fight compared to the Cruz
43:03
fight, where... You either saw Roach catching
43:05
and shooting, or you saw Roach getting touched
43:07
up. Yeah. So, like, again, it's an easy fight
43:14
to score on what you saw. But it's still... In
43:20
a just world, there'd be a rematch not in Texas.
43:22
And in an even juster world, the judges would
43:26
be in a booth where they got a video feed. A
43:28
neutral video feed. So they can actually see
43:31
the fight without the ropes and the officials
43:33
and the backs of fighters blocking them. We should
43:37
put that in the Oli Reform Act. Yeah. No, they're
43:42
going to put AI judges. Training data Mike Tyson
43:48
highlights. So now Isak Cruz can win unanimous
43:50
decisions instead of draws. I think I agree with
43:55
what Josh said about Isaac Cruz being manufactured
44:00
to an extent because the PBC, they need a fighter
44:04
that will bring him money. And Isaac Cruz, if
44:06
he was a more skilled fighter like Canelo, he
44:11
can do that. And he can possibly become a star
44:14
with the Mexican community, which he's not a
44:17
star. People weren't buying me to go grill for
44:20
this fight, at least from what I've seen. But
44:24
unfortunately, that's just the way the cookie
44:27
crumbles, you know? It is what it is. Lamont
44:31
Roach gets another majority draw. I hope it doesn't
44:33
discourage him. I hope it, if anything, it encourages
44:35
him more to come back and fight even harder.
44:38
Yeah. Because he got fucked. Lamont got fucked
44:40
royally this year. Oh, yeah. He's probably the
44:43
only guy to ever win fighter of the year off
44:45
of two draws. He might be, yeah. He genuinely
44:49
might be, man. I don't know. We'll see what happens
44:56
with him. What do you think goes next, Mayor?
44:59
I was going to ask. 140. Who has the WBC belt?
45:08
Surreal Matias. This is the interim. If you really
45:13
want to be mean to Cruz and finally get rid of
45:16
him, put him up against Matias, dude. That would
45:20
be a fun -ass fuck fight. It would be really
45:22
fun. He's getting decimated against Matias. That
45:27
would be fun as hell. He might just knock out
45:31
Matias. You never know. Sure. Dude, Cruz has
45:36
a fucking rock -solid head. TKO by broken hands.
45:41
Yeah, you never fucking know. It's crazy right
45:43
now, that dude. Big -ass fucking... Dude, he
45:47
really put up the Pitbull name, fucking wagging
45:50
his tail and sticking out his tongue. Barked
45:53
for Lamar Roach. Honestly, I think as fun as
46:00
he is and as good as he is for selling tickets,
46:02
I think it's... The same way I rag on BritBox
46:08
manufactured guys, where I want you gone, I want
46:12
Cruz gone in a similar way. No, I think Cruz
46:16
is a perfect undercard fighter. Yeah, like, at
46:19
some point, it's not... Yeah, but the thing is
46:21
that, like, how many of his recent fights have
46:23
been, like, actually fun? Fierro was... I was
46:27
gonna say Angel Fierro was a good one. Fierro?
46:29
Yeah. Yeah. But his last one was... Ryo, he looked
46:34
like shit. Cabrera, he looked like shit. Salcido
46:38
Gomez, he looked like shit. He looked like shit
46:40
with Rode. Like, it's... It's guys that fight
46:42
like him. He has a very specific style that he
46:46
meshes with. I'd rather just not run the gamble
46:52
of having to watch him underperform every other
46:54
fight because the guy doesn't fight exactly tailored
46:57
to getting knocked out. I'm not going to be a
47:03
hypocrite and support him because he's not British.
47:06
He's very much the manufactured mold of some
47:11
of these British guys. Yeah, they look good when
47:14
they're against guys made for them. Not as fun
47:18
when they're against guys who can actually box.
47:23
Honestly, if they want to, they could put him
47:25
with GAR. But that's a decimation. Honestly,
47:29
I feel like if they put Lamont... Oh yeah, 100%.
47:32
If they put Lamont with GAR, that would be an
47:36
interesting fight. That's what I mean. I'm saying
47:38
Lamont will end up with a better opportunity.
47:41
But maybe not a bigger one. I want to see Lamont
47:46
in a tank fight, but I really don't think it's
47:47
possible if tanks didn't even come back. I don't
47:50
even think tanks are going to come back unless
47:51
it's against straight trash. He's not going to
47:57
want to fuck with that cookie again. But he might
48:00
fucking fight. He could fight GAR. Get another
48:03
majority to draw. Alberto Puello. Yeah, that's
48:12
a good one too. Puyo for Roach is good. That's
48:15
good. Yeah. They'll probably give it to Puyo.
48:22
For some fucking reason. Majority draw. No, just
48:26
a Puyo decision. They like doing that with Puyo.
48:33
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48:38
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the bottom half. Bottom half, yeah, taken. Okay,
52:39
yeah, yeah. So we talk about it more at length
52:42
on Boxing Before Dark, but really the only two
52:45
I'm tracking here are Anthony Olaskwaga vs. Taku
52:49
Kuwahara and Seiya Tsutsumi vs. Nonito Donair.
52:55
Jesus Christ, Donair is still fighting. 43 years
52:58
old, man. Yeah, no. Tsutsumi should absolutely
53:05
watch him. Yeah, you'd think. Shinada's betting
53:09
that Donair's left hook is still an active missile.
53:15
Donair getting a meme knockout would be so bad
53:17
for this division. Would be pretty funny, though.
53:22
It would be so funny. Shinada loves Tsutsumi.
53:26
Oh, Shinada would die, too. She'd probably kill
53:30
herself in the park. There's another title fight
53:35
down the bill. Kiyosuke Takami versus Rene Santiago.
53:40
The WBO light flyweight title on the line. Light
53:43
flyweight, yeah. Ola Squaga's the flyweight champ
53:47
for WBO. And the Tsutsumi Donair fight is for
53:52
a WBA interim bantamweight, I think. Yes. Kind
54:01
of still crazy that Donair's getting these title
54:04
shots, but, you know. Name value, I guess. Yeah.
54:08
Yeah, it's Donair. It's Donair. The other card
54:14
is No Limit Boxing in Australia at the TikTok
54:20
Entertainment Center. Gross. They just banned
54:24
social media for teenagers, too. Yeah, under
54:26
-16s. Fucking hilarious. I don't know. Let's
54:35
see. On this one, Kevin Mazudier, or Cohen Mazudier,
54:39
excuse me. He's always a fun scrap, but he's
54:43
not anything great. Just tracking the top two.
54:48
Sam Goodman versus Tyler Blizzard. Man, fuck
54:53
Sam Goodman. Yeah, I should not deny your team,
54:57
Blizzard. Yeah, no, fuck Sam Goodman. He wasted
55:01
like a year of Inoue's prime. Yep. Not pleased
55:05
with him. But he does have a lot of experience,
55:08
and Tyler Blizzard is, yeah, not so much. And,
55:13
yeah, 27, 10 -0 with four KOs. Rough. Rough.
55:22
And in the main, Tim Zhu, he's back at middleweight.
55:26
Versus Anthony Velasquez. Cuban. Cuban Tim Zoo.
55:32
Yeah. Timoteo. Oh, Jesus. Yeah, it's going to
55:41
be interesting to see what the Cuban coach put
55:44
into his toolkit. And how his power carries up
55:49
at middleweight. Because he was a big puncher.
55:52
Yeah. He was a big -ish puncher at 154. We'll
55:59
see how it goes. Hopefully we see Zubzak come
56:03
back in some way, shape, or form. The middleweight
56:07
stinks. Middleweight stinks. If he's not completely
56:09
ruined, then it's not unrealistic that he'll
56:14
pick up a belt. Bye -bye, Laura. Oh, yeah, going
56:19
up the PBC route. Or he could scoop up whatever
56:22
vacancies Janabek leaves over. For a second,
56:26
I could say he's going to kill Kurt Scooby. What?
56:34
You're thinking of like Emma Williams if you're
56:36
talking about 160 guys. Yeah. I'm pretty sure
56:41
they're saying that Emma Williams is going to
56:42
fight Adamis next. Yeah. It's an interesting
56:46
fight. Interesting matchmaking. Yeah. I would
56:50
have never expected that, but, you know. Oh,
56:53
it is what it is. Yeah. Ammo's with Matchroom?
56:57
Mm -hmm. Yeah, makes sense that they got him
57:01
into a title shot. Honestly, it'll probably be
57:06
see how this comeback goes, then Zarafa for another
57:09
easy touch, and then see who's open for a big
57:12
fight. Oh, that's what I forgot about Zarafa.
57:17
That's right. It's going to be like Zarafa's
57:18
there, he's ranked. I don't know. It's not. Yeah,
57:23
two easy touches and then see what they can make
57:26
of it. Yeah. But that one's also on Wednesday,
57:31
December 17th. Probably starting around the same
57:35
time as the Japanese card. Looking at the length
57:41
of them, we should be able to get through the
57:45
Japanese card before Tim Zhu comes out. Yes.
57:49
That timing should work out decently. But the
57:54
main dish that we did not get to in the main,
57:59
when we recorded the main part, Friday, December
58:02
19th, MVP on Netflix in Miami. Jake Paul versus
58:09
Anthony Joshua. What's it about? What's it about?
58:16
By the board of, what do they call it? Florida?
58:19
What do they call it? Florida State Athletic
58:22
Commission? I don't know. Yeah, the ones who
58:25
will let anything fly. If we don't see Jake Paul
58:31
knocked out by round two, the fight is rigged.
58:34
I don't know, man. Oh, my God. If we're getting
58:37
into rigged fights with Jake Paul, none of them
58:40
are rigged. His matchmaking is just that. His
58:42
management is just that good. Okay, let me ask
58:45
you this. How would AJ knock out someone like
58:49
Francis Ngannou, who is at least a legitimate
58:51
fighter? I mean, I'm not saying... Stationary
58:54
target, I will say. Jake Paul is not that good
58:59
of a fighter. I mean, he's a fighter. I would
59:01
say now he's proven himself as some legitimate.
59:04
However, I would argue that Francis Ngannou was
59:07
a little more legitimate of a fighter. A lot
59:09
more of a legitimate fighter. I think in regards
59:12
to boxing, they end up being about the same.
59:17
Ngannou's one of the watched MMA guys that Jake
59:20
would fight. I don't know about that, but I'll
59:24
say this, that Jake Paul, if he's not out by
59:27
round two, then that's going to be winning for
59:32
him in my book. I think it would be probably
59:35
the funniest thing in history if AJ got taken
59:38
out. Oh, that would be so fucking sad. It'd be
59:43
so funny. I'll be right there in the chat with
59:46
Jake Paul Mafia. Fucking Jake Paul Mafia. That
59:52
gif is going triple platinum. Jake Paul versus
59:57
Tyson Fury, and then he beats Tyson Fury by 2
59:59
-6. And then that's the fight of the century.
1:00:01
We finally get undisputed at one heavyweight
1:00:06
if he fights more than me. That's like a Hall
1:00:09
of Fame run. I just, oh my god. See, that's the
1:00:15
thing. Like, I want humor. This fight's rigged.
1:00:19
This fight's rigged. So, I'm like, no, that's
1:00:20
just the matchmaking being that good. Okay, you
1:00:24
told me that AJ, a guy who's fucking been in
1:00:27
the Olympics, knocked out bigger, better guys
1:00:29
than Jake Paul. Do you like it or not? The Olympics
1:00:33
in, like, quotations, man. Like, I just saw Frazier
1:00:37
Clark lose to a guy worse than Jake Paul. I'm
1:00:40
insane. The other week. I'm insane. Frazier Clark
1:00:43
literally, like, saved, like, Olympic pedigree,
1:00:45
whatever. lost to a guy worse than Jake Paul
1:00:48
the other week. Come on. Like, I'm just saying,
1:00:51
it's ridiculous, but, like, it's, like, like,
1:00:55
the matchmaking, we'll be looking at it in hindsight,
1:00:58
being like, oh, AJ just soaked a really bad knockout,
1:01:02
was out of the ring, had the cut weight for the
1:01:05
first time ever, even though it's basically the
1:01:07
same as taking a shit. Like, hindsight can easily
1:01:10
vindicate this if you think about it. Like, we
1:01:13
can't... We can't be all in on AJ's going to
1:01:17
kill this guy because we're going to look really
1:01:20
stupid. We got to think about all the factors
1:01:25
that would apply in hindsight. Well, I'm thinking
1:01:28
that it's not going to be. I think it's going
1:01:31
to go to decision. I got a feeling. There's no
1:01:32
way that's going to be by knockout. There's got
1:01:35
to be some sort of clause in there. Oh, my God,
1:01:38
bro. This is the tinfoil. Nah, come on, dude.
1:01:42
How the fuck do you not knock out Jake Paul?
1:01:44
How the fuck do you not knock him out? Well,
1:01:47
it's easy. It's the same way you take seven rounds
1:01:50
to take out Robert Hellenius coming off a fight.
1:01:54
Coming off a bad knockout. Come on, dude. Jake
1:01:57
Paul barely knows the fundamentals. So do half
1:02:03
of the heavyweights in the world. Don't humor
1:02:10
me, man. Come on. You're going to tell me. I'm
1:02:15
so in for the funniest possible result happening.
1:02:20
I mean, I'll be funny as fuck to see AJ get knocked
1:02:23
out. Like, I'm so in on the funniest things happening.
1:02:28
Especially because I'm like, you know what? I'm
1:02:30
fine with Jake Paul keeping his interest in boxing
1:02:34
for what he does for the women's side of the
1:02:36
sport as well. I gotta give Jake Paul for taking
1:02:40
the fight in the first place, you know? That's...
1:02:41
Whether you like it or not, it's ballsy. It's
1:02:44
a tough task, for sure. Yeah. Honestly, I think
1:02:48
as much shit as I've ever given to Jake Paul,
1:02:50
as fucking my whole life that I've known Jake
1:02:54
Paul, I gotta respect him for this. Because he's
1:02:58
putting his life on the line, no matter what,
1:03:00
you know? Again, 10 -4 or higher, it can still
1:03:02
be rigged, but he's still putting it on the line.
1:03:05
We always forget that this is... a life and death
1:03:07
situation at times, you know? And you can fucking,
1:03:11
you never know, you know? So I got to give it
1:03:13
to him. I'm just going to say, like, I'm like,
1:03:18
it's obvious, the result is so obvious on paper.
1:03:23
But, like, I feel like if it ends up being, like,
1:03:26
complete sideways, out of nowhere, like, AJ looks
1:03:31
like shit and then dies. Like, in hindsight,
1:03:34
it's going to be a lot of coke when, like, all
1:03:39
the factors that would contribute to AJ being
1:03:41
shot as shit and looking bad enough are there.
1:03:50
I mean, certain things happen, you know. Tommy
1:03:53
Morrison fought, what was that guy's name? Michael
1:03:55
Bent. Not Michael Bent. Tommy Morrison fought
1:03:58
a guy that was in the crowd. Yeah, but that guy,
1:04:04
like, that was a carry job for Morrison. Yeah,
1:04:08
but I'm just saying, strange things happen. Yeah.
1:04:10
No, I'm saying, like, there's the perfect mix
1:04:14
of AJ could just not take him seriously. He's
1:04:18
older. How old is he again? 35, I think. 36.
1:04:26
He's 36. He's taken several beatings, particularly
1:04:30
his most recent one, and he always looks worse
1:04:32
off long layoffs as well throughout his career.
1:04:38
He's been in wars. He's taken beatings. He just
1:04:41
took, like, that knockout was really bad for
1:04:44
a fragile... Let's fucking entertain this for
1:04:48
just one second, okay? If Jake Paul wins, let's
1:04:52
say by knockout or decision, whatever, he wins.
1:04:55
That ranks him in the heavyweight division, no
1:04:57
doubt about it. Oh, I cry laughing, though. Like,
1:04:59
first I pissed myself. Side -splitting hilarious.
1:05:03
I'd honestly go kiss Dan Raphael if that happens,
1:05:06
dude. I'm not gonna lie. If that happens, I'm
1:05:09
going crazy. Oh, my God, bro. Like, I'm gonna
1:05:13
say, like, in hindsight, like, should Jake Paul
1:05:15
win or even look competitive? In hindsight, we're
1:05:19
gonna be looking at a lot of these factors. Like,
1:05:21
Joshua... Hasn't fought in a while. He's taken
1:05:26
some really bad beatings. He's older. He's never
1:05:29
been that super durable. It's the Florida Commission,
1:05:37
which means we might get a fun little incompetence
1:05:42
show from judges and referees. Right, yeah. AJ's
1:05:47
never fought. He fought once outside of the UK.
1:05:51
But, like, Florida weather is different than
1:05:53
the U .K. No, the human energy shouldn't bother
1:05:57
him because U .K. is pretty humid. Yeah. Let's
1:06:01
say Jake Paul wins. Who would he fight next?
1:06:04
Or Lee? I don't know. I think he just retires.
1:06:09
He retires on top like that. That would be too
1:06:11
funny. Like, you can't top the hilarity at that
1:06:14
point. I mean, he would make a shit ton more
1:06:17
money if he won and then fought someone like
1:06:19
Tyson Fury. That would make a shit ton of money,
1:06:22
way more than this fight. That would be comical,
1:06:26
though. Tyson Fury, 6 '9", standing in front
1:06:29
of Jake Paul. 6 '1", Jake Paul. And then he gets
1:06:35
a shot at Usyk for some fucking reason. Oh, my
1:06:38
God. Hey, listen, if Usyk, like, Jake Paul, Usyk,
1:06:42
and then, like, Usyk super, like, he's cleared
1:06:44
out his era and the next era. Guys, I see it.
1:06:48
I see it. I see it, okay? You know how they're
1:06:50
doing the Anthony... This just in, by the way.
1:06:52
The Anthony Joshua Fury are, I guess... Yeah,
1:06:55
the Turkey Curse, too. Has two fights planned
1:06:59
for both of them. Yeah, the Turkey... The Turkey
1:07:03
Curse. There's so many things that could... Little
1:07:07
things that could just go wrong there. I'm not
1:07:12
giving Jake Paul... Like, I don't think he has
1:07:18
the ability to win. I just think there is a,
1:07:21
like... Non -zero chance. There's a very obvious
1:07:26
and present set of reasons that could create
1:07:30
the conditions for AJ to look horrible. I got
1:07:34
an idea for a doubleheader, okay? You have AJ
1:07:36
fight Justice Huni, okay? Oh, my God, bro. And
1:07:39
in the main event, you got Jake Paul versus Tyson
1:07:43
Fury for... The Battle of America. There you
1:07:48
go. Why Justice Hootie, though? That's a random
1:07:52
shout. Nah, give him Gassiev, dude. AJ Gassiev
1:07:56
would be a good tune -up. That way you have a
1:07:58
trinket. Then yeah, Gassiev. Trinket. He just
1:08:02
fought. In New York. Or the fucking White House.
1:08:07
On the 4th of July. Boom. Making a fucking shit
1:08:12
ton of money. Boom. Point is, the result should
1:08:18
obviously be AJ decimating Jake Paul, but should
1:08:22
it not be, the reasons are there for it to not
1:08:24
be. Like, we could totally have AJ showing up
1:08:29
looking like Chris Eubank because he got fat
1:08:31
during his layoff. His year and a half layoff
1:08:36
after getting brutally knocked out. So could
1:08:41
Jake Paul reasonably ask Anthony Joshua if he
1:08:44
has any excuses tonight? Oh, my God. See, I would
1:08:49
be making that edit, like, as the fight happened.
1:08:55
Oh, with editing software. That would go triple,
1:08:57
triple platinum. Realistically, let's say Jake
1:09:01
Paul knocks out AJ. How big of an upset would
1:09:03
that be? The odds right now, I think it's like
1:09:10
a minus 900 for AJ to win. The odds aren't that
1:09:16
good because Vegas wants a lot of idiots to put
1:09:19
their money on Jake. Makes sense. Like, if you
1:09:24
make it attractive enough to bet on, they'll
1:09:27
bet. Yeah, I mean... Because if you make them
1:09:30
super wide, gamblers are going to be like, oh,
1:09:33
it's not ever happening. They just look at the
1:09:35
number. That's all I got to say about this fight.
1:09:41
It's hilarious, and I hope the worst possible
1:09:43
result happens. Well, I'm just saying, if AJ
1:09:46
don't knock him out, I seriously got to think
1:09:48
that's rigged. There's no way he doesn't knock
1:09:50
him out. Come on. I'm going to list guys worse
1:09:54
than Jake Paul. Like, probably his first 10 fights
1:09:59
are all guys. Like, up until Kevin Johnson, all
1:10:04
those guys are worse than Jake Paul. Eric Molina,
1:10:13
he took three rounds to destroy Eric Molina.
1:10:16
And Eric Molina is for sure worse than Jake Paul.
1:10:20
Sure about that. Why is Jake Paul better than
1:10:22
these guys? Let me ask you that. Jake Paul can
1:10:24
throw a jab. and a cross, and a hook, and, uh,
1:10:30
I say, like, Eric, like, Eric, are we really
1:10:32
defending Eric Molina? Like, Alfred Molina, the
1:10:35
actor, fights better than he does. Is, is, is,
1:10:39
is fucking Jake Paul better than, than, than
1:10:41
Chisora? No. But, again, like I was saying, I'm
1:10:46
looking at guys who AJ actually fought. These
1:10:48
are all guys that AJ fought. Same. But, this
1:10:55
is, I just want to see it. Like, this is the
1:10:59
circus I will be tuning in for. Oh, it's a circus,
1:11:02
all right. I mean, honestly, this is a lot more
1:11:04
interesting than fucking Jake versus Tank, in
1:11:07
my opinion. Oh, yeah. Because AJ can actually
1:11:10
kill Jake. That's crazy. God, imagine if AJ shows
1:11:17
up looking like Eubank did for the second Ben
1:11:19
fight. All gaunt and... There's no way he's going
1:11:23
to be fucking careful. He just shows up looking
1:11:25
dead, dude. I'd cry. I want to see a Vladimir
1:11:30
Klitschko KO. Fucking where his head goes up
1:11:32
and stretches the neck. You mean where he gets
1:11:35
knocked down? Yeah. That was nice. I want to
1:11:41
see some shit like that. I doubt Jake would let
1:11:44
him off the hook like Klitschko did, though.
1:11:47
If the fight goes like that. Boxing needs a knockout.
1:11:53
Well, boxing needs a knockout from either one,
1:11:56
actually. If Jake were to knock out Anthony Joshua,
1:12:01
I think a lot of people are going to be like,
1:12:02
holy shit. They're probably going to start actually
1:12:04
tuning in for his fights. People are going to
1:12:06
wake up to the fact that heavyweight kind of
1:12:08
sucks. That or they might just say that. How
1:12:12
many years have we been humoring heavyweights
1:12:16
being good? I think we cope because of Usyk.
1:12:25
Yeah, no, Usyk is good. That's why he's... I'm
1:12:30
saying heavyweights generally, people are going
1:12:32
to wake up to the deficiencies of the average
1:12:35
heavyweight. Well... Finally, finally. It's only
1:12:40
been like 40 years of the perpetual debate on
1:12:44
whether heavyweights are good or not. Well, you
1:12:47
have one good heavyweight and you have like a
1:12:49
million other. Yeah, but that's the thing. A
1:12:51
lot of people believe that generally heavyweights
1:12:54
are good. There was the whole debate over Tyson
1:13:02
Fury on the pound -for -pound list. Sure, he's
1:13:07
good for heavyweight, but most of it comes from
1:13:10
just being huge. Would Sebastian Pandora do good
1:13:16
in another division? I don't know. I probably
1:13:19
don't think so. Like, if you shrank him down
1:13:21
and it was just his skills, that's the whole
1:13:22
pound -for -pound argument. Yeah. In all honesty,
1:13:26
Sebastian Fedora is just being saved by that
1:13:27
matchmaking. So, like, Usyk's skill set works.
1:13:31
Just, like, it's so obvious that it would work
1:13:34
at, like, any size. Usyk, Crawford. But, like,
1:13:40
guys who are like, oh, Tyson Fury, like, the
1:13:43
heavyweights belong on pound -for -pound. They
1:13:45
generally don't. So would you put Jake Paul higher
1:13:50
on the pound -for -pound list than Tyson Fury
1:13:52
for your son? You know what? If he beats Anthony
1:13:56
Joshua by knockout, sure. I might just rate Jake
1:14:01
Paul. I'll put him in at number 10 on my pound
1:14:04
-for -pound list if he beats Anthony Joshua.
1:14:06
No, he's a legend. He's a boxing legend if he
1:14:09
does that shit. I'm just calling it right now.
1:14:12
Oh, my God. That is so fucking legendary. I'd
1:14:15
cry. I'd cry, actually. some shit like AJ or
1:14:21
Jacob Wilder. Oh, my God. Literally, anything
1:14:25
is possible. Isn't that show how much we don't
1:14:31
believe in AJ? I don't know, man. I've watched
1:14:38
fighters turn old overnight after less harmful
1:14:44
performances on lesser layovers. Leo, you've
1:14:49
been kind of a little bit silent on this. You've
1:14:50
got to tell us your opinion, man. I'm leaning
1:14:53
towards this can only go bad for Joshua. I'm
1:15:01
thinking if it goes to round four or beyond,
1:15:04
we've got to start questioning what Anthony Joshua
1:15:07
is really doing. I don't give Jake Paul all that
1:15:11
much chance. Non -zero, but it's not a lot. Yeah,
1:15:16
like, it's not, it won't be Jake that wins. It's
1:15:19
totally, like, any of the factors present in
1:15:22
this fight conspiring. Yeah, for AJ to lose.
1:15:26
Yeah. All right. Let me just run down the card
1:15:32
real quick, because there's actually, like, for
1:15:34
women's fights, this is actually pretty stacked.
1:15:36
They're pretty good. Yeah, so moving down the
1:15:39
bill, Alicia Baumgartner versus Leila Bodoan?
1:15:43
I don't know. I think I got it. Uh, this is for
1:15:47
three. Yeah. Should not have set me straight
1:15:51
on that one too. Um, three of the four titles
1:15:54
on the line here. Uh, Sharnika Johnson versus
1:15:57
Amanda. Oh, I don't know if that's a double L
1:16:00
like a Y I'm going to go with. I, okay. I don't
1:16:05
know with a name like Amanda. I'm not sure. Yeah.
1:16:08
But this one's for undisputed at Bantamweight.
1:16:12
Uh, Yocasta Valle. versus Yadira Bustillos at
1:16:16
minimum. Caroline Dubois, the WBC lightweight
1:16:20
champion versus Camila Panata. And Avious Griffin,
1:16:26
who just has a cool name. Anderson Silva versus
1:16:31
Tyron Woodley. Oh, fuck. Oh, my God. Two bums,
1:16:38
but lovingly. I'm on a... Team Spider on this
1:16:44
one. Anderson Silva. I'm team going to get food
1:16:47
for this one. It's listed everywhere at the bottom,
1:16:52
so I don't know. I'm team going to go bully Isaac
1:16:55
for getting food for this one. I'm going to be
1:17:00
honest. I'm going to be in Seattle. I'm going
1:17:05
to be overseas for this one. Not overseas. Fuck.
1:17:08
Overstate. What? Yeah, I'm not gonna be... I'm
1:17:12
gonna watch you, but I'm gonna watch you on my
1:17:13
phone. Yeah. So, yeah, so... Legally. Actually,
1:17:20
I can't make that joke this time. It is on Netflix.
1:17:24
Yeah, no, I actually am gonna be watching it.
1:17:26
Yeah. They are sucking the money out of my ass.
1:17:30
I'll be honest. I've bought a lot of the pay
1:17:32
-per -views this year. A lot of the major ones.
1:17:37
Man, I paid, like, three years at DAZN back when
1:17:40
it was new, so, like, I'm not paying for anything
1:17:42
ever again. Yeah, that's true. Well, actually,
1:17:46
I don't want to get flamed for this, but actually,
1:17:53
my grandpa has a DAZN account. But the thing
1:17:58
is that, like, it has other uses. Like, it has
1:18:00
F1 and the NFL on it in some countries. Yeah,
1:18:03
but my grandpa don't be watching F1. Oh, so then
1:18:07
you're just wasting your fucking money. Yeah.
1:18:14
That's all we got. Two bums, generally. Special
1:18:19
edition of the Boxing B -Sides? Yeah. Cutting
1:18:22
back to the regular programming. Yeah. Robin,
1:18:25
come back. Sorry, Robin. The WBC Grand Prix Finals
1:18:36
on the 20th. Fuck, I haven't been keeping up
1:18:43
with the tournament. Have you guys been watching
1:18:46
it? I watched Eric Bazarin get fried early on,
1:18:52
and that was the highlight of my joy. Fucking
1:18:58
the heavyweight final, Kevin Ramirez versus Ahmed.
1:19:03
Kernjik. Oof. Featherweight final. Muhammad Kaumili
1:19:09
versus Brandon Mejia. Super lightweight. Muhibilo
1:19:13
Tusurnov versus Carlos Utrea. And middleweight's
1:19:18
Derek Pomerleau. He's... I recognize that name.
1:19:23
Versus Dylan Biggs. Let me see. Australian middleweight.
1:19:37
Lost to Nikita Siu by knockout. Jesus. That's
1:19:44
not good. Yeah. In 2023. Stopped in five rounds.
1:19:54
His last opponent actually is a pretty entertaining
1:19:57
name. Says here, Lancelot Proton de la Chapelle.
1:20:05
Lancelot. That's a pretty good name. That's a
1:20:07
pretty good name. Other than the Grand Prix Finals,
1:20:13
there's a Salida Promotions card on DAZN. Two
1:20:18
fighters I recognize, Michael Coffey. He's not
1:20:23
very good heavyweight, but... Oh, yeah. I still
1:20:27
remember when PVC tried to push him on an undercard
1:20:29
and he got exposed almost immediately. Gotta
1:20:32
support my boy anyway. Tony Harrison versus Brian
1:20:38
Chavez. Tony Harrison quietly rebuilding his
1:20:44
career. Oh yeah. That's it though. It's another
1:20:50
light weekend. We're getting close to the end
1:20:54
of year stuff that Japan likes to do. That stuff's
1:20:57
gonna be good. Yeah, there's going to be some
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Alright, parting words. Roblox good. I would
1:24:04
hope that in the future they get better. They
1:24:11
need to stop this bullshit. Who needs to get
1:24:16
better? Everybody needs to get better. Refs,
1:24:20
judges, everybody. Yeah. Man, we can't let the
1:24:25
Saudis get ammunition or the TKO guys get ammunition
1:24:31
to fuck over the sport. They're laughing at this
1:24:34
shit. Oh, yeah. We're making it easy. You have
1:24:41
to at least make it hard. The thing is, say what
1:24:44
you will about the Saudis, they will fold under
1:24:47
adversity. If Turkey's soccer team venture is
1:24:53
anything to be said. But you have to give them
1:24:55
the adversity. They're already starting to pull
1:24:57
back, aren't they? Yeah. That's what I'm saying.
1:25:01
You need, like, they're starting to make concerns
1:25:03
about profit and everything. You just need to,
1:25:04
like, don't give. You just have to push. Before,
1:25:09
they would have fucking, how many fights on the
1:25:11
card? Now they only have four. Yeah. You know?
1:25:14
Yeah, they don't have any stack top to bottom.
1:25:16
They don't have any M &M walkouts. No crazy promos
1:25:21
anymore. That's the one thing I really liked
1:25:23
about the Saudis was the promos. They stopped
1:25:26
with Ryan Garcia. We'll see. We'll see what happens.
1:25:37
Well, it's another light weekend, so I'm going
1:25:40
to suggest going outside. Yep. Enjoy the snow
1:25:45
or the sun, depending on where you are. Pro Box
1:25:48
is on Thursday, and so you got a good free weekend
1:25:53
here. Again, both of these cards, the Grand Prix
1:25:56
Finals and the Salida card, they're both on DAZN.
1:26:00
DAZN will be there when you get back. Yeah, go
1:26:07
outside. If you can do other things, fucking
1:26:10
do other things. This is not a weekend to lock
1:26:12
yourself up to watch. Watch Box. Mediocre Box.
1:26:20
Alright. On that grim note, that's it for this
1:26:24
edition of the Boxing B -Sides. We'll fucking
1:26:26
see you on the other side when we're getting
1:26:28
more excited for the end of the year. Fucking
1:26:31
trophies.